On the Christian Faith 2.5–2.10
Latin text: Migne, PL 16 (Latin text: Migne, Patrologia Latina, digitized by Open Greek and Latin (patrologia_latina-dev, University of Leipzig), CC BY-SA 4.0).English: Claude (claude-opus-5-5), public domain (CC0). Compare: Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers, series 2, vol. 10 (1896).
Chapter 2
2.5PL 16:567a–569a
Nec vereor ne quia scriptum est de Deo: Beatus et solus potens, ab eo Dei Filius separaretur; cum Scriptura Deum solum potentem dixerit, non Patrem solum: et ipse de Christo Deus Pater asserat per Prophetam: Posui adjutorium super potentem. Non ergo Pater solus potens, sed potens etiam Deus Filius; in Patre enim laudatur et Filius. Certe ostendat aliquis quid sit, quod non pos sit Dei Filius: quis ei adjutor cum cœlum faceret, fuit: quis adjutor cum conderet mundum? An qui in constitutione Angelorum et Dominationum adju tore non eguit, eguit ut hominem liberaret? Scriptum est, inquiunt: Pater meus, si possibile est, transfer a me calicem hunc. Et ideo si omnipotens est, quomodo de possibilitate ambigit? Ergo quia omnipo tentem probavi, probavi utique ambigere eum de possibilitate non posse. Verba, inquis, Christi sunt. Verum dicis: sed quando, et in qua forma loquatur, adverte. Hominis substantiam gessit, hominis assumpsit affectum. Denique supra habes quia progressus pusillum pro cidit in faciem suam, orans et dicens: Pater, si pos sibile est. Non ergo quasi Deus, sed quasi homo lo quitur; Deus enim possibile aliquid aut impossibile nesciebat? Aut aliquid impossibile Deo, cum scriptum sit: Impossibile enim tibi nihil est (Job XXII, 17)? De quo autem dubitat? de se, an de Patre? De eo utique qui dicit: Transfer: et dubitat hominis affectu. Ergo propheta non putat aliquid impossibile Deo. Propheta non dubitat, et Filium dubitare tu credis? Num infra homines constituis Deum? Et dubitat de Patre Deus, et de morte formidat? Timet ergo Christus; et cum Petrus non timeat, Christus timet? Petrus dicit: Animam meam pro te ponam; Christus dicit: Anima mea turbatur. Utrumque verum est, et plenum utrumque rationis; quod et ille qui est inferior, non timet, et ille qui superior est, gerit timentis affectum: ille enim quasi homo vim mortis ignorat, iste quasi Deus in corpore constitutus fragilitatem carnis exponit; ut eorum qui sacramentum Incarnationis abjurant, excluderetur impietas. Denique et hæc dixit, et Manichaeus non credidit, Valentinus negavit, Marcion phantasma judicavit. Eousque autem hominem quem veritate corporis demonstrabat, æquabat affectu, ut diceret: Sed tamen non sicut ego volo, sed sicut tu vis; cum utique similiter sit Christi velle, quod Pater vult: cujus similiter est facere, quod Pater facit. Quo loco etiam illa vestra quæstio conticescit, quam soletis objicere, quia dixit Dominus: Non sic ut ego volo, sed sicut tu vis; et alibi: Ad hoc de scendi de cælo, non ut faciam voluntatem meam, sed voluntatem ejus qui me misit.
Nor do I fear that, because it is written of God, “blessed and only Potentate,” the Son of God would be separated from him; for Scripture said that God is the only Potentate, not the Father only; and God the Father himself declares of Christ through the prophet: “I have laid help upon one who is mighty.” The Father, then, is not alone mighty; God the Son too is mighty; for in the Father the Son also is praised. Certainly let someone show what there is that the Son of God cannot do. Who was his helper when he made heaven? Who was his helper when he founded the world? Did he who needed no helper in establishing the Angels and the Dominions need one to free man? “It is written,” they say: “My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass from me.” And so, if he is almighty, how does he doubt about what is possible? Well, since I have proved him almighty, I have surely proved that he cannot doubt about what is possible. “They are the words of Christ,” you say. You say what is true; but notice when, and in what form, he speaks. He bore the substance of a man; he took on the affections of a man. Indeed you have, just before, that “going a little farther he fell on his face, praying and saying: Father, if it is possible.” He speaks, then, not as God but as man; for did God not know whether something was possible or impossible? Or is anything impossible to God, when it is written: “For nothing is impossible to you”? About whom, then, does he doubt? About himself, or about the Father? Surely about him to whom he says, “Let it pass”; and he doubts with the affection of a man. So the prophet does not think anything impossible to God. The prophet does not doubt, and do you believe that the Son doubts? Do you set God below men? And does God doubt about the Father, and is he afraid of death? Does Christ, then, fear; and while Peter does not fear, does Christ fear? Peter says: “I will lay down my life for you”; Christ says: “My soul is troubled.” Both are true, and both are full of reason: that he who is the inferior does not fear, and he who is the superior bears the affection of one who fears. For the one, as man, does not know the power of death; the other, as God set in a body, displays the frailty of the flesh, so that the impiety of those who forswear the sacrament of the incarnation might be shut out. And indeed he said these things, and yet the Manichaean did not believe, Valentinus denied, Marcion judged it a phantom. So far did he make the man, whom he showed by the reality of his body, equal to us in affection, that he said: “Yet not as I will, but as you will”; though surely it belongs to Christ to will in the same way what the Father wills, as it belongs to him to do in the same way what the Father does. At this point that question of yours also falls silent, which you are accustomed to raise because the Lord said: “Not as I will, but as you will”; and elsewhere: “I came down from heaven, not to do my own will, but the will of him who sent me.”
1 Tim 6:15 (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 89:19 (88:20 Vulg.) (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 26:39 (quotation, high confidence) · Job 42:2 (quotation, medium confidence) · John 13:37 (quotation, high confidence) · John 12:27 (quotation, high confidence) · John 6:38 (quotation, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: Ambrose answers the objection that Christ doubted the Father’s power in Gethsemane: Christ is almighty, and he spoke and feared as man, showing the reality of his flesh against the Manichaeans, Valentinus, and Marcion.
- Quotations: 1 Tim 6:15; Ps 89:19 (LXX 88:20); Matt 26:39; Job 42:2 (Septuagint form; Migne’s reference reads Job 22:17); John 13:37; John 12:27; John 6:38. Valentinus and Marcion were second-century teachers who denied that Christ had real human flesh, as did the Manichaeans.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR slip; OCR slips and inline footnote letter; inline footnote letter; inline footnote letter or column number of the digitization): Beatu, et solus potent → Beatus et solus potens; Posui adjutorium tu. per potentem. Nan ergo → Posui adjutorium super potentem. Non ergo; aliqnis → aliquis; quis ci adjutor → quis ei adjutor; ti possi bile → si possibile; de. possibilitate non posse → de possibilitate non posse; Christi sont → Christi sunt; a Homi nis → Hominis; sibile eat. Nou ergo → sibile est. Non ergo; nihil eat (Job XXII, i7)? b De quo → nihil est (Job XXII, 17)? De quo; Ti met ergo → Timet ergo; non timet. et ille → non timet, et ille; et cMa nichaeus → et Manichaeus; Eousque autem d hominem → Eousque autem hominem; Sed lamMa non sicut ego volo, sed sicut tu via → Sed tamen non sicut ego volo, sed sicut tu vis; possibilitate 478 → possibilitate.
Topics: Christology, Heresy
Cite (SBL): Ambrose, Fid. 2.5 (PL 16:567a–569a; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/ambrose-fide/2-5/#p-2-5). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin of Migne's Patrologia Latina 16 (digital text, Open Greek and Latin; corrections logged), then compared section by section with the public-domain English of NPNF² 10 (de Romestin, 1896); differences checked against the Latin.
2.6PL 16:569a–569b
Ergo ut quasi interpositis plenioris expositio nis paulisper induciis, cur dixerit: Si possibile est, voluntatis interim liberæ Dominum fuisse doceamus. In tantum processistis impietatis, ut negetis quod Filius Dei liberae voluntatis sit! At certe soletis etiam sancto Spiritui derogare, et negare non potestis scriptum esse: Spiritus ubi vult, spirat. Ubi vult, inquit, non ubi jubetur. Ergo si Spiri tus ubi vult, spirat, Filius quod vult, non agit? Et certe idem Dei Filius in Evangelio suo dicit, ubi velit spirandi suppetere Spiritui facultatem. Numquid ergo superiorem fatetur; quia illi licet, quod sibi non licet? Apostolus quoque dicit quia omnia operatur unus atque idem Spiritus, dividens singulis prout vult. Prout vult, inquit, hoc est, pro liberæ voluntatis arbitrio, non pro necessitatis obse quio. Et dividit Spiritus non mediocria; sed quæ Deus consuevit operari, gratiam curationum, et operatio nem virtutum. Ergo dividit Spiritus prout vult, Filius Dei non liberat, quem vult? Sed audi etiam ipsum agere quod vult. Dixit enim: Ut faciam voluntatem tuam, Deus meus, volui. Et alibi: Voluntarie sacrificabo tibi. Scivit sanctus apostolus Petrus Jesum in po testate habere quæ vellet; et ideo cum videret ambulare eum supra mare, ait: Domine, si tu es, jube me venire ad te super aquas. Petrus credidit quia si Christus jubeat, naturæ possit con ditio mutari; ut humanis se subjiciat unda vestigiis, et discrepantium naturarum possit convenire concordia. Petrus poscit ut jubeat, non ut roget Christus: Christus non rogavit, sed jussit, et factum est: et Arius contradicit? Quid est tamen quod Pater velit, Filius nolit: aut Filius velit et Pater nolit? Pater quos vult, vivificat; et Filius quos vult, vivificat, sicut scriptum est. Dic nunc quos vivificaverit Filius, et Pater vivificare noluerit. Cum autem Filius quos velit vivificet, et operatio una sit; vides quia non solum Filius voluntatem Patris, sed etiam Pater Filii faciat voluntatem? Quid est autem vivificare, nisi per Filii passionem? Passio autem Christi voluntas est Patris. Quos ergo Filius vivificat, per Patris vivificat volun tatem. Una igitur est voluntas. Quæ autem voluntas Patris, nisi ut veniret Jesus in hunc mundum, et nos mundaret a vitiis? Audi leprosum dicentem: Si vis, potes me mun dare (Matth. vm, 2). Respondit Christus, Volo; et statim secutus est effectus sanitatis. Vides quia Fi lius suæ arbiter voluntatis est, et Christi voluntas eadem quæ paterna est? Quamquam cum dixerit: Omnia quæ Pater habet, mea sunt: sine dubio quia nihil excipitur, quam Pater habet, eamdem habet et Filius voluntatem.
So, granting for a little while a truce, as it were, to a fuller explanation of why he said, “If it is possible,” let us meanwhile show that the Lord was of free will. Have you gone so far in impiety as to deny that the Son of God is of free will? You are certainly accustomed to disparage the Holy Spirit too, and yet you cannot deny that it is written: “The Spirit breathes where he wills.” “Where he wills,” it says, not where he is commanded. If, then, the Spirit breathes where he wills, does the Son not do what he wills? And certainly it is the same Son of God who in his Gospel says that the Spirit has the power to breathe where he wills. Does he, then, confess the Spirit his superior, because the Spirit may do what he himself may not? The Apostle too says that “one and the same Spirit works all things, distributing to each as he wills.” “As he wills,” he says, that is, by the judgment of free will, not by the compliance of necessity. And the Spirit distributes no ordinary things, but what God is accustomed to work: the grace of healings and the working of miracles. Does the Spirit, then, distribute as he wills, and does the Son of God not set free whom he wills? But hear that he himself also does what he wills. For he said: “I willed to do your will, my God.” And elsewhere: “I will sacrifice to you willingly.” The holy apostle Peter knew that Jesus had in his power whatever he willed; and so when he saw him walking on the sea, he said: “Lord, if it is you, command me to come to you on the waters.” Peter believed that if Christ commanded, the condition of nature could be changed, so that the wave would submit to human footsteps and natures at variance could be joined in harmony. Peter asks Christ to command, not to pray; Christ did not pray but commanded, and it was done; and does Arius contradict? Yet what is there that the Father wills and the Son does not will, or the Son wills and the Father does not will? The Father gives life to whom he wills, and the Son gives life to whom he wills, as it is written. Tell me now whom the Son has given life to whom the Father did not will to give life. And since the Son gives life to whom he wills, and the operation is one, do you see that not only does the Son do the Father’s will, but the Father also does the Son’s will? And what is giving life, if not through the Son’s passion? But the passion of Christ is the will of the Father. Those, then, to whom the Son gives life, he gives life through the Father’s will. The will, then, is one. And what is the Father’s will, if not that Jesus should come into this world and cleanse us from our sins? Hear the leper saying: “If you will, you can make me clean.” Christ answered, “I will,” and at once the healing followed. Do you see that the Son is master of his own will, and that Christ’s will is the same as the Father’s? Indeed, since he said, “All that the Father has is mine,” then without doubt, since nothing is excepted, the Son has the same will that the Father has.
Matt 26:39 (allusion, high confidence) · John 3:8 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Cor 12:11 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Cor 12:9 (allusion, high confidence) · Ps 40:8 (39:9 Vulg.) (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 54:6 (53:8 Vulg.) (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 14:28 (quotation, high confidence) · John 5:21 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 8:2 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 8:3 (quotation, high confidence) · John 16:15 (quotation, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: Ambrose argues that the Son, like the Spirit, acts by free will, and that the Father and the Son have one will, as the healing of the leper and the giving of life show.
- The digital text begins this chapter with the end of Migne’s chapter summary, removed by a logged correction. Quotations: Matt 26:39; John 3:8; 1 Cor 12:11 (12:9–10); Ps 40:8 (LXX 39:9); Ps 54:6 (LXX 53:8); Matt 14:28; John 5:21; Matt 8:2–3; John 16:15.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR slip; end of Migne's chapter summary; inline footnote letter or column number of the digitization; stray mark): tantisper di grediens, libertatem Domini primum ex eo quod ea. dem præditus affirmetur Spiritus sanctus, deinde expressis quibus ipsa Filio Dei attribuitur, testimo niis demonstrat. → ; liberae voluntatis II sit → liberae voluntatis sit; non potes lis seriptum → non potestis scriptum; Num quid ergo superiorem latetur → Numquid ergo superiorem fatetur; pro Ii bera; voluntatis → pro liberæ voluntatis; Fi lius Dei uon liberat → Filius Dei non liberat; quod vult.Dixit → quod vult. Dixit; volun tatem luum → voluntatem tuam; am bularc → ambulare; con cordia Petrus poscit → concordia. Petrus poscit; vivificarenoluerit → vivificare noluerit; voluntatcm → voluntatem; voluntas est Piltris → voluntas est Patris; arbiter voluntatis esi → arbiter voluntatis est; paterna est?Quamquam → paterna est? Quamquam; sine du hio quia nihil excipiiur → sine dubio quia nihil excipitur; camdem habet → eamdem habet; vitiis? 480 → vitiis?; Volo; b → Volo;.
Topics: Christology, Trinity
Cite (SBL): Ambrose, Fid. 2.6 (PL 16:569a–569b; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/ambrose-fide/2-5/#p-2-6). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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2.7PL 16:569b–571c
Una ergo voluntas, ubi una operatio; in Deo enim voluntatis series operationis effectus est. Sed alia voluntas hominis, alia Dei. Denique ut scias vitam in voluntate esse hominis; quia mortem timemus: passionem autem Christi in voluntate divina; ut pateretur pro nobis: cum Petrus cum vellet a pas sione revocare, Dominus ait: Non sapis quæ Dei sunt, sed quæ sunt hominum. Suscepit ergo voluntatem meam, suscepit tris titiam meam. Confidenter tristitiam nomino, quia crucem prædico. Mea est voluntas, quam suam dixit; quia ut homo suscepit tristitiam meam, ut homo locutus est; et ideo ait: Non sicut ego volo, sed sicut tu vis. Mea est tristitia, quam meo suscepit affectu: nemo enim moriturus exsultat. Mihi compatitur, mihi tristis est, mihi dolet. Ergo pro me et in me doluit, qui pro se nihil habuit quod do leret. Doles igitur, Domine Jesu, non tua, sed mea vulnera: non tuam mortem, sed nostram infirmitatem, sicut ait propheta: Quia pro nobis dolet: et nos, Domine, æstimavimus te esse in do loribus; cum tu non pro te, sed pro me doleres. Et quid mirum si pro omnibus doluit, qui pro uno flevit? Quid mirum, si moriturus pro omnibus taedeat, qui Lazarum resuscitaturus illacrymat? Verum et ibi piæ sororis lacrymis commovetur, quia mente humana tangebatur: et hic alto operatur affectu; ut sicut mors ejus mortem abstulit, livor ejus ulcera nostra sanavit: ita etiam mœrorem nostrum mœror ejus aboleret. Ut homo ergo dubitat, ut homo turbatur. Non turbatur ejus virtus, non turbatur ejus divinitas: sed turbatur anima: turbatur secundum humanae fragilitatis assumptionem. Et ideo quia suscepit ani mam, suscepit et animae passiones; non enim Deus eo quod Deus erat, aut turbari aut mori potuisset. Denique, Deus, Deus, inquit, meus, quare Me dereli quisti? Ut homo ergo loquitur, meos circumferens metus; quod in periculis positi, a Domino desertos nos putamus. Ut homo turbatur, ut homo flet, ut homo crucifigitur. Sic enim et apostolus Paulus dixit: Quia Christi carnem crucifixerunt, Et alibi aposto lus Petrus ait: Christo passo secundum carnem (1 Pet. IV; 1). Caro igitur est passa, divinitas autem mortis libera: passioni corpus naturæ humanæ lege concessit; an vero mori divinitas potest, cum anima non possit? Nolite, inquit, timere eos qui corpus possunt occidere, animam autem non possunt. Si ergo anima occidi non potest, quomodo divinitas potest? Unde illud quod lectum est, Dominum majestatis crucifixum esse, non quasi in majestate sua crucifixum putemus: sed quia idem Deus, idem homo, per divinitatem Deus, per susceptionem carnis homo Jesus Christus, Do minus majestatis dicitur crucifixus, quia consors utriusque naturæ, id est, humanae atque divinae, in natura hominis subiit passionem; ut indiscrete et Dominus majestatis dicatur esse qui passus est, et Filius hominis, sicut scriptum est, qui descendit de cœlo.
There is one will, then, where there is one operation; for in God the course of willing is the effect of working. But the will of man is one thing, the will of God another. Indeed, so that you may know that clinging to life belongs to the will of man, because we fear death, but that the passion of Christ belongs to the divine will, that he should suffer for us: when Peter wished to call him back from the passion, the Lord said: “You do not mind the things of God, but the things of men.” He took on, then, my will; he took on my sorrow. I name sorrow with confidence, because I preach the cross. Mine is the will which he called his own; for as man he took on my sorrow, as man he spoke; and so he says: “Not as I will, but as you will.” Mine is the sorrow which he took on with my feelings; for no one about to die exults. He suffers with me, he is sad for me, he grieves for me. So for me and in me he grieved, he who had nothing to grieve for on his own account. You grieve, then, Lord Jesus, not for your own wounds but for mine; not for your own death but for our infirmity, as the prophet says: “For he grieves for us; and we, Lord, thought that you were in pains,” when you grieved not for yourself but for me. And what wonder if he grieved for all, who wept for one? What wonder if he is weary when about to die for all, who weeps when about to raise Lazarus? But there he is moved by the tears of a loving sister, because he was touched in his human mind; and here he works with a deep feeling, so that, as his death took away death and his bruise healed our wounds, so his sorrow might abolish our sorrow. As man, then, he doubts; as man he is troubled. His power is not troubled, his divinity is not troubled; but his soul is troubled; he is troubled according to the human frailty he assumed. And so, because he took on a soul, he took on also the passions of the soul; for God, inasmuch as he was God, could not have been troubled or have died. Indeed, “God, my God,” he says, “why have you forsaken me?” As man, then, he speaks, carrying about my fears; for when we are placed in dangers we think ourselves forsaken by the Lord. As man he is troubled, as man he weeps, as man he is crucified. For so the apostle Paul too said that they crucified the flesh of Christ. And elsewhere the apostle Peter says: “Christ having suffered in the flesh.” It was the flesh, then, that suffered, while the divinity is free from death; the body yielded to suffering by the law of human nature. Or can the divinity die, when the soul cannot? “Do not fear,” he says, “those who can kill the body but cannot kill the soul.” If, then, the soul cannot be killed, how can the divinity? Hence, as to what is read, that the Lord of majesty was crucified, let us not think that he was crucified as in his majesty; but because the same is God and the same is man, God by divinity and man by the assumption of flesh, Jesus Christ is said to be the Lord of majesty crucified, because, sharing in both natures, that is, the human and the divine, he underwent the passion in the nature of man; so that he who suffered is called without distinction both the Lord of majesty and the Son of Man who, as it is written, came down from heaven.
Matt 16:23 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 26:39 (quotation, high confidence) · Isa 53:4 (quotation, high confidence) · John 11:35 (allusion, high confidence) · Isa 53:5 (allusion, high confidence) · John 12:27 (allusion, high confidence) · Matt 27:46 (quotation, high confidence) · Gal 5:24 (allusion, low confidence) · 1 Pet 4:1 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 10:28 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Cor 2:8 (allusion, high confidence) · John 3:13 (allusion, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: Ambrose explains that Christ’s will to avoid death, his sorrow, fear, and cry of dereliction belong to the human nature he took on for us, while the divinity cannot suffer; the Lord of majesty was crucified in his human nature.
- Migne’s note of a chapter number in another division has been removed. Quotations and allusions: Matt 16:23; Matt 26:39; Isa 53:4 (in a Latin form close to the Septuagint); John 11:35; Isa 53:5; John 12:27; Matt 27:46; Gal 5:24 (Ambrose’s wording “they crucified the flesh of Christ” is close to this verse but not exact; uncertain); 1 Pet 4:1; Matt 10:28; 1 Cor 2:8; John 3:13.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (Migne's note of another chapter division and inline footnote letter; OCR slip; OCR slip and inline footnote letter; inline footnote letter and OCR slip; inline footnote letter or column number of the digitization): uhi una → ubi una; vi tam in voluntate esse liominis; quia moriem lime mus → vitam in voluntate esse hominis; quia mortem timemus; voluntatem ticam → voluntatem meam; qnia ut homo → quia ut homo; lo culus est → locutus est; Nou sicut ego → Non sicut ego; infirmilatem → infirmitatem; ct hic alto ope natur → et hic alto operatur; iia etiam → ita etiam; ut homo turbalor. a Non turbatur → ut homo turbatur. Non turbatur; divini las → divinitas; assumptienem → assumptionem; nod enim Dent eo → non enim Deus eo; c a Domino descri nos → a Domino desertos nos; Ut homo turbatur. ut homo flet → Ut homo turbatur, ut homo flet; apostulus → apostolus; divinitas amem mortis → divinitas autem mortis; leg con cessit → lege concessit; mori divinitos → mori divinitas; timere eoa → timere eos; [Alias cap. IV ]. d Unde → Unde; commovetur, quia c → commovetur, quia; mam, b → mam,; homo 481 → homo; quia e → quia.
Topics: Christology
Cite (SBL): Ambrose, Fid. 2.7 (PL 16:569b–571c; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/ambrose-fide/2-5/#p-2-7). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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2.8PL 16:571c–575b
Per naturam igitur hominis et dubitavit, et tæduit et resurrexit; quod enim cecidit, hoc resur git. Per naturam hominis dicit etiam illud, de quo calumniari solent; quia dictum est: Quoniam Pater major me est. Verum quia alibi dicitur: Exivi a Patre, et veni in mundum: iterum relinquo mundum, et vado ad Patrem: quomodo vadit, nisi per mortem: et venit, nisi per resurrectionem? Denique addidit, ut de assumptione se dixisse signaret: Propterea dixi vobis priusquam fiat; ut cum factum fuerit, credatis. Loquebatur enim passionem sui corporis, et resurrectionem per quam credere cœperant, qui ante dubitabant; neque enim Deus de loco ad locum transit, qui ubique semper est. Ut homo est qui vadit, ipse est qui venit. Denique et alibi dicit: Surgite, eamus hinc. In eo ergo vadit et venit, quod est commune nobiscum. Nam quomodo potest minor esse Deus, cum Deus perfectus et plenus sit? Sed minor in natura hominis et miraris si ex persona hominis Patrem dixit majorem, qui in persona hominis se vermem dixit esse, non hominem; dixit enim: Ego autem sum vermis et non homo; et alibi: Sicut ovis ad occisionem ductus est. Si in hoc minorem dicis, negare non possum: sed, ut verbo utar Scripturae, non minor natus, sed minoratus ( Hebr. n, 9), hoc est, minor factus est. Quomodo autem minor factus, nisi quia: Cum in forma Dei esset, non rapinam arbitratus est esse se æqualem Deo, sed semetipsum exinanivit ( Phil, II, 6, 7): non remittens utique quod erat, sed assumens quod non erat; quia formam servi accepit. Denique ut sciremus per susceptionem cor poris minoratum, de homine se David prophetare signavit dicens: Quid est homo, quod memor es ejus: aut Filius hominis, nisi quia visitas eum? Minorasti eum paulo minus ab angelis. Et hoc ipsum interpretatus Apostolus, ait: Nam paulo quam angelos minoratum videmus Jesum, propter passionem mortis gloria et honore coronatum; ut sine Deo pro om nibus gustaret mortem. Non solum ergo Patre, sed etiam angelis mi nor Filius Dei factus est. Et si hoc ad praejudicium trahis; num ergo Filius in natura Dei minor est, quam sui angeli qui ei serviunt et ministrant? Ita dum minorem vultis asserere, impietatem incur ritis; ut angelorum naturam Dei Filio præferatis. Sed non est servus supra Dominum suum. Denique et in carne constituto angeli ministrabant; ut nihil eum agnoscas per naturam corporis imminutum; neque enim Deus sui pati potuit detri mentum, cum id quod assumpsit ex Virgine, nec accessio divinæ nec diminutio potestatis sit. Non est ergo secundum divinitatem minor, qui plenitudinem habet divinitatis et gloriæ. Major enim et minor in iis quæ corporalia sunt, distingui solent: aut statu major, aut plenitudine, aut certe aetate. Vacant ista, ubi de divinis tractatus induci tur. Major enim vulgo dici solet, qui aliquem insti tuit et informat: in Dei autem sapientiam non cadit, ut instituta sit alterius disciplinis; cum ipsa discipli narum omnium tradiderit institutum. Quam bene autem posuit Apostolus: Ut sine Deo pro omnibus gustaret mortem; ne divinitatis illam passionem putaremus fuisse, non carnis! Ergo si non invenerunt quemadmodum possent probare majorem, non verbis calumnientur, sed ver borum rationem requirant. Ergo illos interrogo quo putent esse majorem? Si quia Pater est, eo majorem putant: sed non hic ætas et tempus, neque canities patris, et filii pueritia est; hæc enim majorem a solent facere patrem. Ceterum pater et filius generantis et nati nomina sunt; quae non videntur separare, sed jungere; non enim pietas naturæ de trimentum est: namque homines sibi invicem conciliat necessitudo, non separat. Itaque si nec de natura afferre possunt aliquam quaestionem, vel testimoniis credant. Denique Fi lium non esse eo minorem, quia Filius est, evange lista testatur; et æqualem esse, quia Filius est, ipse significat dicens: Propterea enim volebant eum occidere Judæi, quia non solum solvebat sabbatum, sed et Patrem proprium dicebat Deum, æqualem se faciens Deo. Non Judæi hoc dicunt, sed Evangelista testa tur, quod æqualem se faciebat Deo, proprium se Filium Dei dicens. Non enim scriptum est ex per sona Judæorum dicentium: Propterea volebamus eum occidere: sed evangelista ex sua persona dicit: Propterea enim volebant illum Judæi occidere. Et in terpretatus est causam, ideo Judæos ad necem ejus esse commotos, quod cum et sabbatum quasi Deus solveret, et Deum Patrem sibi proprium vindicaret, non solum in solutione sabbati majestatem divinæ potestatis, sed etiam in Patris proprii nomine jus sibi æternæ æqualitatis adscisceret. Quibus aptissime respondit Dei Filius, ut et Dei se Filium, et aequalem probaret: Quæcumque, inquit, Pater fecerit, eadem et Filius facit similiter. Filius igitur Patri et dicitur et probatur æqualis. Bona æqualitas, quae et differentiam divi nitatis excludit; et cum Filio Patrem signat, cui Filius sit æqualis; non est enim diversa, nec singu laris æqualitas; quia nemo æqualis ipse sibi solus est. Ergo Evangelista interpretatus est quid sit pro prium Filium Dei se dicere, hoc est, æqualem se facere Deo. Unde id secutus Apostolus dixit: Non rapinam arbitratus est esse se æqualem Deo ( Phil. n, 6). Quod enim quis non habet, rapere conatur. Ergo non quasi rapinam habebat æqualitatem cum Patre quam in substantia sui tamquam Deus et Dominus possidebat. Unde addidit: Formam servi accepit. Contrarium utique servus, et æqualis. Æqualis ergo in Dei forma; minor in susceptione carnis, et hominis passione. Nam quomodo eadem posset minor esse æqualisque natura? Quomodo autem, si minor est, eadem similiter facit, quæ Pater facit? Nam quemadmodum eadem operatio diversæ esset potestatis? Numquid sic potest minor, quemadmodum major operari? aut una operatio potest esse, ubi diversa substantia est? Itaque accipe Christum secundum divinita tem minorem non posse dici. Ipse loquitur ad Ahra ham: Per me ipsum juravi. Ostendit autem Apostolus eum qui per se jurat, minorem esse non posse. Itaque sic ait: Abrahæ cum re promisisset Deus, quoniam nullum alium majorem habebat, juravit per teipsum, dicens: Nisi benedi cendo benedixero te, et multiplicando multiplicavero te. Ergo majorem non habuit Christus, et ideo per se juravit. Et bene addidit: Homines enim per majorem se jurant; quia homines majorem habent, Deus non habet (lbid., 16). Aut si volunt de Patre dictum videri, reliqua non cohaerent; neque enim Pater visus est Abrahæ, nec Deo Patri pedes lavit, sed ei in quo futuri homi nis est figura. Denique Filius Dei dicit: Abraham diem meum vidit, et gavisus est. Ipse est ergo qui per se juravit, quem Abraham vidit. Et revera quomodo majorem habet, qui divi nitate cum Patre unum est ( Joan. x, 30)? Quod enim unum est, dissimile non est: inter majorem au tem minoremque discretio est. Ergo de Filio, et Patre praesentis docet lectionis exemplum, quia nec Pater minorem habet, nec majorem Dei Filius; cum in Patre et Filio nulla distantia divinitatis sit, sed una majestas.
It was through the nature of man, then, that he both doubted and was weary, and rose again; for what fell is what rises again. It is through the nature of man that he also says the words on which they are accustomed to build their false charge, because it is said: “For the Father is greater than I.” But since it is said elsewhere, “I came forth from the Father and have come into the world; again I leave the world and go to the Father,” how does he go except through death, and how does he come except through the resurrection? Indeed he added, to make plain that he had spoken of what he assumed: “And now I have told you before it happens, so that when it has happened you may believe.” For he was speaking of the passion of his body, and of the resurrection, through which those who before had doubted began to believe; for God, who is always everywhere, does not pass from place to place. It is as man that he goes; it is he who comes. Indeed elsewhere he says: “Rise, let us go hence.” He goes and comes, then, in that which he has in common with us. For how can God be less, when God is perfect and full? But he is less in the nature of man; and do you wonder if in the person of man he called the Father greater, when in the person of man he said that he was a worm and not a man? For he said: “But I am a worm and not a man”; and elsewhere: “He was led as a sheep to the slaughter.” If you call him less in this respect, I cannot deny it; but, to use the word of Scripture, he was not born less but was made less, that is, he was made lower. And how was he made lower, except that “though he was in the form of God, he did not think it robbery to be equal with God, but emptied himself”? He did not give up what he was, but took on what he was not; for he took the form of a servant. Indeed, so that we might know that he was made lower by taking a body, David showed that he was prophesying of a man, saying: “What is man, that you are mindful of him, or the son of man, that you visit him? You have made him a little lower than the angels.” And the Apostle, interpreting this very text, says: “For we see Jesus, made a little lower than the angels, crowned with glory and honor because of the suffering of death, that apart from God he might taste death for all.” The Son of God, then, was made lower not only than the Father but also than the angels. And if you drag this to his prejudice, is the Son, then, in the nature of God lower than his own angels, who serve and minister to him? So while you wish to assert that he is less, you fall into impiety, so that you prefer the nature of angels to the Son of God. But “the servant is not above his lord.” Indeed, angels ministered to him even when he was set in the flesh, so that you may recognize that he was in no way diminished by the nature of the body; for God could not suffer loss of himself, since what he assumed from the Virgin is neither an increase nor a diminution of the divine power. He, then, is not less according to divinity who has the fullness of divinity and glory. For greater and less are usually distinguished in things that are bodily: one is greater in stature, or in bulk, or certainly in age. These have no place when the discussion is brought to divine things. For he is commonly called greater who instructs and forms someone; but it does not apply to the Wisdom of God to be instructed by another’s teaching, since it has itself handed on the ordering of all teaching. And how well the Apostle put it, “that apart from God he might taste death for all,” lest we should think that the passion belonged to the divinity and not to the flesh! So if they have not found how they could prove the Father greater, let them not raise false charges on words, but seek the meaning of the words. So I ask them in what respect they think him greater. If they think him greater because he is the Father: but here there is no age and time, no gray hair of the father and boyhood of the son; for it is these that usually make a father greater. Otherwise, father and son are names of the one who begets and the one who is born; they seem not to separate but to join; for natural affection is no detriment, since kinship unites men to one another and does not separate them. So if they cannot raise any question about the nature, let them at least believe the testimonies. Indeed the evangelist testifies that the Son is not less because he is Son; and he indicates that he is equal because he is Son, saying: “For this reason the Jews sought to kill him, because he not only broke the Sabbath, but also called God his own Father, making himself equal to God.” It is not the Jews who say this; the Evangelist testifies that he made himself equal to God by calling himself God’s own Son. For it is not written as from the person of the Jews saying, “For this reason we sought to kill him”; but the evangelist says in his own person: “For this reason the Jews sought to kill him.” And he explained the cause: that the Jews were moved to kill him because, in both breaking the Sabbath as God and claiming God the Father as his own, he took to himself not only the majesty of divine power in breaking the Sabbath but also, in the name of his own Father, the right of eternal equality. To them the Son of God answered most fittingly, so as to prove himself both Son of God and equal: “Whatever the Father does,” he says, “the Son also does likewise.” The Son, then, is both called and proved equal to the Father. A good equality, which both excludes a difference of divinity and, with the Son, points to the Father to whom the Son is equal; for equality is neither diverse nor solitary, since no one is equal to himself alone. So the Evangelist explained what it is to call oneself God’s own Son: that is, to make oneself equal to God. Following this, the Apostle said: “He did not think it robbery to be equal with God.” For what a person does not have, he tries to seize. So he did not hold as robbery the equality with the Father which he possessed in his own substance as God and Lord. Hence he added: “He took the form of a servant.” A servant and an equal are certainly contraries. Equal, then, in the form of God; less in the assumption of flesh and in the passion of man. For how could the same nature be both less and equal? And how, if he is less, does he likewise do the same things that the Father does? For how could the same operation belong to different powers? Can the less work in the same way as the greater? Or can there be one operation where the substance is diverse? So take this: Christ cannot be called less according to divinity. He himself speaks to Abraham: “By myself I have sworn.” And the Apostle shows that he who swears by himself cannot be less. For he says thus: “When God made a promise to Abraham, since he had no one greater by whom to swear, he swore by himself, saying: Surely blessing I will bless you and multiplying I will multiply you.” Christ, then, had no one greater, and so he swore by himself. And he rightly added: “For men swear by one greater than themselves”; for men have one greater, God has not. Or, if they want it to be understood as said of the Father, the rest does not fit; for the Father was not seen by Abraham, nor did Abraham wash the feet of God the Father, but of him in whom was the figure of the man that was to be. Indeed the Son of God says: “Abraham saw my day and was glad.” It is he, then, who swore by himself, whom Abraham saw. And truly, how does he have one greater, who in divinity is one with the Father? For what is one is not unlike; but between greater and less there is distinction. So the example of the present reading teaches about the Son and the Father that neither does the Father have one less, nor the Son of God one greater, since in Father and Son there is no difference of divinity but one majesty.
Textual problem in this passage: see the notes.
John 14:28 (quotation, high confidence) · John 16:28 (quotation, high confidence) · John 14:29 (quotation, high confidence) · John 14:31 (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 22:6 (21:7 Vulg.) (quotation, high confidence) · Isa 53:7 (quotation, high confidence) · Phil 2:6 (quotation, high confidence) · Phil 2:7 (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 8:4 (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 8:5 (quotation, high confidence) · Heb 2:9 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 10:24 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 4:11 (allusion, high confidence) · John 5:18 (quotation, high confidence) · John 5:19 (quotation, high confidence) · Gen 22:16 (quotation, high confidence) · Heb 6:13 (quotation, high confidence) · Heb 6:14 (quotation, high confidence) · Heb 6:16 (quotation, high confidence) · Gen 18:4 (allusion, high confidence) · John 8:56 (quotation, high confidence) · John 10:30 (allusion, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: Ambrose explains John 14:28 (“the Father is greater than I”) as said of Christ’s humanity, in which he was made lower than the angels, and argues from John 5:18, Phil 2:6, and God’s oath by himself that in divinity the Son is equal to the Father.
- The digital text begins this chapter with the end of Migne’s chapter summary, removed by a logged correction. Quotations: John 14:28; John 16:28; John 14:29; John 14:31; Ps 22:6 (LXX 21:7); Isa 53:7; Phil 2:6–7; Ps 8:4–5; Heb 2:9 (Ambrose reads “apart from God,” the variant χωρὶς θεοῦ, rather than “by the grace of God”); Matt 10:24; Matt 4:11; John 5:18; John 5:19; Gen 22:16; Heb 6:13–14, 16; Gen 18:4; John 8:56; John 10:30.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR slip; OCR slips and column number; column number and OCR slips; end of Migne's chapter summary; inline footnote letter; inline footnote letter and OCR slip; inline footnote letter or column number of the digitization): quod Christus dixit: Pater major me est. Quæ verba et aGa ejusdem rationis ubi secundum huma nitatem intelligenda esse ostensum est, eumdem Do minum seeundum naturam divinam did non posse Patri inferiorem multis confirmatur. → ; et dubitavit, f let tæduit → et dubitavit, et tæduit; quodenim → quod enim; de qno → de quo; major me eat → major me est; ad Palrem → ad Patrem; Prop • terea dixi vobit → Propterea dixi vobis; Deusde loco → Deus de loco; Deus,cum Deus perfectus et plenus sit?Sed minor 482 in natura bominis → Deus, cum Deus perfectus et plenus sit? Sed minor in natura hominis; et miraris si ex « personna → et miraris si ex persona; se vertnem dixit esse, non bomincm → se vermem dixit esse, non hominem; Ego autem tum vermis → Ego autem sum vermis; Sicut oris ad occisionem ductus eat → Sicut ovis ad occisionem ductus est; negaro → negare; Cumin forma → Cum in forma; formam Bervi → formam servi; SignAvit → signavit; Quid eat homo, quod memor et ejus → Quid est homo, quod memor es ejus; Filius kominis → Filius hominis; paulo minat ab angelis.Et → paulo minus ab angelis. Et; minoratum videmus Jetum, propter pastionem → minoratum videmus Jesum, propter passionem; Non Bolum ergo → Non solum ergo; praejudiciuin → praejudicium; lia dum minorem Tuitis asserere → Ita dum minorem vultis asserere; nAturam Dei Fiix præferais. Bed non ea servus → naturam Dei Filio præferatis. Sed non est servus; angeli ministta bam → angeli ministrabant; nec ac cessio divinyc → nec accessio divinæ; in iis qum corporalia → in iis quæ corporalia; bUerius → alterius; illaln → illam; uon hic ætus → non hic ætas; canities Patr is → canities patris; 483 filii pueritia esi; hac enim majo rent → filii pueritia est; hæc enim majorem; Celerum → Ceterum; noUi eniM pietas → non enim pietas; non separati Itaque → non separat. Itaque; volevant eum occi dene → volebant eum occidere; non tolum solvebal → non solum solvebat; æqualem te faciens → æqualem se faciens; Evahgelista → Evangelista; fnciebat → faciebat; enimvolebant illum Judwi → enim volebant illum Judæi; commotOs → commotos; sed etiam bin Patris → sed etiam in Patris; signai, cui Filius sit xqualis → signat, cui Filius sit æqualis; eMe se → esse se; Ergo nun quasi → Ergo non quasi; cum Patre c quam → cum Patre quam; Deus ct Dominus → Deus et Dominus; aaddidit → addidit; d Contrarium utique servus, et a'qualis → Contrarium utique servus, et æqualis; Quomodo au tom → Quomodo autem; diversie → diversæ; qucm admodum → quemadmodum; Christum e secundum → Christum secundum; dlci → dici; multiplica vero a le.Ergo → multiplicavero te. Ergo; quia homine. majorem habent, Deut non → quia homines majorem habent, Deus non; gravisus, est → gavisus est; £t revera → Et revera; ( Joan. x, 3U)? Quod euim → ( Joan. x, 30)? Quod enim; etPa tre → et Patre; babet → habet; minorem 484 → minorem.
Topics: Christology, Trinity
Cite (SBL): Ambrose, Fid. 2.8 (PL 16:571c–575b; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/ambrose-fide/2-5/#p-2-8). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin of Migne's Patrologia Latina 16 (digital text, Open Greek and Latin; corrections logged), then compared section by section with the public-domain English of NPNF² 10 (de Romestin, 1896); differences checked against the Latin.
2.9PL 16:575b–577a
Nec illud sane metuo, quod solent obtendere minorem esse, quia missus est. Si enim et minor non docetur, et honorificentiæ docetur æqualitas; cum ita omnes honorificent Filium, sicut honorificant Pa trem ( Joan. v, 23), constat eo minorem non esse, quod missus est. Non ergo humani sermonis angustias, sed verborum claritatem intuere, operibus crede. Con sidera quia Dominus noster Jesus Christus in Esaia locutus est ab Spiritu sancto esse se missum (Esa. tit, 1). Numquid ergo Spiritu minor Filius, quia missus ab Spiritu est? Habes igitur scriptum quod Filius a Patre et Spiritu ejus dicat esse se missum: Ego sum, inquit, primus, et ego in æternum, et manus mea fundavit terram, dextera mea solidavit cœlum; et infra: Ego locutus sum, et ego vocavi; adduxi eum, et prosperum iter ejus feci. Accedite ad me, et audite hæc: non in occulto ab initio locutus sum. Cum fierent, illic eram: et nunc Domi nus misit me, et Spiritus ejus. Utique qui cælum fecit et terram, ipse dicit a Domino et a Spiritu ejus esse se missum. Videtis ergo quod sim plicitas sermonis, non injuria missionis sit. Ipse igitur missus a Patre, ipse est missus ab Spiritu. Et ut cognoscas nullam majestatis esse distan tiam, etiam Filius Spiritum mittit, sicut ipse dixit: Cum venerit autem Paraclitus, quem ego mittam vobis a Patre meo, Spiritus veritatis, qui a Patre meo pro cedit. Hunc eumdem Paraclitum et a Patre esse mittendum supra docuit dicens: Paracli tus autem ille Spiritus sanctus, quem mittet Pater in nomine meo. Vide unitatem, quia quem Deus Pater mittit, mittit et Filius: et quem mittit Pater, mittit et Spiritus. Aut si nolunt Filium mis sum, quia dexteram Patris Filium legimus; ipsi de Patre quod de Filio abnuunt, fatebuntur: nisi forte aut alterum sibi Patrem, aut alterum sibi Filium in veniant Ariani. Sileant igitur inanes de sermonibus quaestiones; quia regnum Dei, sicut scriptum est, non in persuasione verbi est, sed in ostensione virtutis. Servemus distinctionem divinitatis et car nis. Unus in utraque loquitur Dei Filius; quia in eo dem utraque natura est: et si idem loquitur, non uno semper loquitur modo. Intende in eo nunc gloriam Dei, nunc hominis passiones. Quasi Deus loquitur quae sunt divina, quia Verbum est: quasi homo dicit quae sunt humana, quia in mea substan tia loquebatur. Hic est panis vivus, qui descendit de caelo. Panis hic caro est, sicut ipse dixit: Hic panis quem ego dabo, caro mea est. Hic est qui descendit de coelo, hic est quem Pater sanctificavit, et misit in hunc mundum. Nec ipsa littera nos docet sanctificatione divinitatem eguisse, sed carnem. Denique ipse Dominus dixit: Et ego memetipsum sanctifico pro ipsis; ut agnoscas quod et sanctificatur in carne pro nobis, et divinitate sanctificat. Hic idem est quem Pater misit, sed factum ex muliere, factum sub Lege, ut Apostolus dixit. Hic est, qui ait: Spiritus Domini super me, propter quod unxit me: evangelizare pauperibus misit me. Hic est qui dicit: Mea doctrina non est mea, sed ejus qui misit me. Si quis voluerit voluntatem ejus facere, cognoscet de doctrina, utrum ex Deo est, an ego a me ipso loquar (Joan. vn, 16, 17), Alia ergo ex Deo doctrina, alia ex homine. Itaque Judæi cum doctrinam ejus secundum hominem quærerent, et dicerent: Quomodo hic litteras novit, cum non didicerit? respondit Jesus, et dixit: Mea doctrina, non est mea; nam cum sine eruditione litterarum doceat, non quasi homo, sed potius ut Deus videtur docere, qui doctrinam non didice rit, sed invenerit. Adinvenit enim omnem viam disciplinae, ut supra lectum est; nam utique de Filio Dei dictum est: Hic est Deus noster, et non æstimabitur alius ad eum qui adinvenit omnem viam disciplinae. Post hæc in terris visus est, et cum hominibus conversatus est (Ba ruc. III, 36 et seq). Quomodo ergo secundum divini tatem doctrinam suam non habet, qui adinvenit omnem viam disciplinæ, antequam videretur in ter ris? Aut quomodo minor, de quo dictum est: Non æstimabitur alius ad eum? Utique incomparabilis di citur, ad quem nemo alius æstimari potest: sed ita incomparabilis, ut Patri nequeat anteferri. Quod si de Patre dictum putant, impietatem Sabellii non evadent, ut Patri susceptionem humanæ carnis at tribuant. Persequamur sequentia: Qui a semetipso, in quit, loquitur, gloriam suam quærit (Joan. vn, 18). Vide unitatem, quae et Patrem signat et Filium. Non potest non esse, qui loquitur: sed non potest a se metipso esse quod loquitur, in quo naturaliter ex Patre sunt omnia. Quid est autem: Gloriam suam quœrit? Hoc est, non divisam a Patre gloriam; nam utique et Verbum Deus habet gloriam. Denique dicit: Ut videant gloriam meam. Sed illa verbi gloria ea dem Patris gloria est, sicut scriptum est: Dominus Jesus Christus in gloria est Dei Patris. Ita igitur secundum divinitatem Dei Filius suam gloriam habet, ut Patris et Filii una sit gloria. Non est ergo minor in claritate, quia una gloria: non minor divinitate, quia plenitudo divinitatis in Christo est. Et quomodo, inquis, scriptum est: Pater, ve nit hora, clarifica Filium tuum ( Joan. xvii, 1)? Qui hoc dicit, clarificatione, inquis, indiget. Huc usque oculos habes: quod reliquum est non legisti; se quitur enim: Ut Filius tuus clarificet te (Ibid.). Numquid et Pater indiget, qui clarificandus a Fi lio est?
Nor do I fear in the least the argument they are accustomed to put forward, that he is less because he was sent. For if he is not taught to be less, and equality of honor is taught, since all are to honor the Son as they honor the Father, it is plain that he is not less because he was sent. Do not look, then, at the narrowness of human speech, but at the clear sense of the words; believe the works. Consider that our Lord Jesus Christ said in Isaiah that he was sent by the Holy Spirit. Is the Son, then, less than the Spirit because he was sent by the Spirit? You have it written, then, that the Son says he was sent by the Father and his Spirit: “I am,” he says, “the first, and I am for ever; and my hand founded the earth, my right hand established the heaven”; and further on: “I have spoken, and I have called; I brought him, and made his way prosperous. Come near to me and hear this: I have not spoken in secret from the beginning. When they were made, I was there; and now the Lord has sent me, and his Spirit.” Certainly he who made heaven and earth himself says that he was sent by the Lord and by his Spirit. You see, then, that this is simplicity of speech, not an injury done by sending. He, then, is sent by the Father; he is sent by the Spirit. And so that you may know that there is no difference of majesty, the Son also sends the Spirit, as he himself said: “But when the Paraclete comes, whom I shall send you from my Father, the Spirit of truth, who proceeds from my Father.” He taught earlier that this same Paraclete was to be sent by the Father as well, saying: “But that Paraclete, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name.” See the unity: whom God the Father sends, the Son also sends; and whom the Father sends, the Spirit also sends. Or, if they will not have the Son sent, since we read that the Son is the right hand of the Father, they will confess of the Father what they refuse of the Son, unless perhaps the Arians invent for themselves either another Father or another Son. Let empty questions about words, then, fall silent; for the kingdom of God, as it is written, is not in persuasiveness of speech but in demonstration of power. Let us keep the distinction between divinity and flesh. The one Son of God speaks in both, because both natures are in the same person; and though it is the same who speaks, he does not always speak in one manner. Observe in him now the glory of God, now the passions of man. As God he speaks what is divine, because he is the Word; as man he says what is human, because he was speaking in my substance. “This is the living bread which came down from heaven.” This bread is flesh, as he himself said: “This bread which I shall give is my flesh.” This is he who came down from heaven; this is he whom the Father sanctified and sent into this world. The very letter teaches us that it was not the divinity that needed sanctification but the flesh. Indeed the Lord himself said: “And I sanctify myself for them,” so that you may recognize that he is both sanctified in the flesh for us and sanctifies by his divinity. This same is he whom the Father sent, but “made from a woman, made under the Law,” as the Apostle said. This is he who says: “The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he has anointed me; he has sent me to preach good news to the poor.” This is he who says: “My teaching is not mine, but his who sent me. If anyone wills to do his will, he will know about the teaching, whether it is from God or whether I speak from myself.” One teaching, then, is from God, another from man. So when the Jews were inquiring into his teaching according to the man and were saying, “How does this man know letters, when he has not learned?” Jesus answered and said: “My teaching is not mine”; for since he teaches without the learning of letters, he seems to teach not as man but rather as God, who did not learn his teaching but found it out. For “he found out every way of discipline,” as was read above; for certainly it was said of the Son of God: “This is our God, and no other will be reckoned in comparison with him, who found out every way of discipline. After this he was seen on earth and lived among men.” How, then, does he not have his own teaching according to divinity, who found out every way of discipline before he was seen on earth? Or how is he less, of whom it is said, “No other will be reckoned in comparison with him”? Surely he is called incomparable, with whom no other can be reckoned; but incomparable in such a way that he cannot be set above the Father. But if they think this was said of the Father, they will not escape the impiety of Sabellius, so as to attribute to the Father the assumption of human flesh. Let us follow what comes next: “He who speaks from himself,” he says, “seeks his own glory.” See the unity, which points to both the Father and the Son. He who speaks cannot not exist; but what he speaks cannot be from himself, in whom all things are by nature from the Father. And what is “seeks his own glory”? That is, a glory not divided from the Father; for certainly the Word, being God, has glory. Indeed he says: “That they may see my glory.” But that glory of the Word is the same as the glory of the Father, as it is written: “The Lord Jesus Christ is in the glory of God the Father.” So according to divinity the Son of God has his own glory in such a way that the glory of Father and Son is one. He is not, then, less in splendor, because the glory is one; not less in divinity, because the fullness of divinity is in Christ. “And how,” you say, “is it written: Father, the hour has come; glorify your Son?” He who says this, you say, needs glorifying. Your eyes reach only so far; you have not read the rest; for it continues: “that your Son may glorify you.” Does the Father too need it, then, who is to be glorified by the Son?
John 5:23 (quotation, high confidence) · Isa 48:16 (quotation, high confidence) · Isa 48:12 (quotation, high confidence) · Isa 48:13 (quotation, high confidence) · Isa 48:15 (quotation, high confidence) · John 15:26 (quotation, high confidence) · John 14:26 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Cor 2:4 (allusion, high confidence) · John 6:51 (quotation, high confidence) · John 10:36 (allusion, high confidence) · John 17:19 (quotation, high confidence) · Gal 4:4 (quotation, high confidence) · Luke 4:18 (quotation, high confidence) · John 7:16 (quotation, high confidence) · John 7:17 (quotation, high confidence) · John 7:15 (quotation, high confidence) · John 7:18 (quotation, high confidence) · John 17:24 (quotation, high confidence) · Phil 2:11 (quotation, high confidence) · Col 2:9 (allusion, high confidence) · John 17:1 (quotation, high confidence)
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Summary: Ambrose argues that being sent does not make the Son less, since he is sent by the Father and by the Spirit and himself sends the Spirit, and that Christ speaks sometimes as God and sometimes as man, as in John 6–7 and 17.
- Quotations: John 5:23; Isa 61:1 and 48:16; Isa 48:12–13, 15–16; John 15:26; John 14:26; 1 Cor 2:4; John 6:51; John 10:36; John 17:19; Gal 4:4; Luke 4:18 (Isa 61:1); John 7:16–17; John 7:15; Baruch 3:36–38 (cited above in 1.3 as Jeremiah); John 7:18; John 17:24; Phil 2:11; Col 2:9; John 17:1.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR slip; OCR slip and column number; inline footnote letter; inline footnote letter or column number of the digitization; stray mark; stray mark and column number): loculUs est ab Spiritu → locutus est ab Spiritu; scriptum qnod → scriptum quod; primus, el ego → primus, et ego; solidavit cœlum; ei infra → solidavit cœlum; et infra; noM in occulto → non in occulto; illi.: eram → illic eram; non. injuria 485 missionis → non injuria missionis; cumdem Paraclitum et a Patre esse mitendum → eumdem Paraclitum et a Patre esse mittendum; Spiritus sanctas → Spiritus sanctus; Videunitatem → Vide unitatem; miltit → mittit; cAut si → Aut si; qnaes liones → quaestiones; Dei Flius → Dei Filius; Hic eat panis → Hic est panis; caro eat, sicut → caro est, sicut; caro mea eat → caro mea est; mundum. e Nec ipsa → mundum. Nec ipsa; sed cariem → sed carnem; misil me → misit me; Meadoctrina → Mea doctrina; volun talem → voluntatem; ex Deo cst → ex Deo est; quærerenl → quærerent; non eat mea; nam cum sine 486eruditione → non est mea; nam cum sine eruditione; Hic eat Deus noster → Hic est Deus noster; conversatus eat → conversatus est; :.Von æstimabitur alius ud eum → : Non æstimabitur alius ad eum; impietatem " Sabellii → impietatem Sabellii; carnii → carnis; naturaliter ex Patre sum omnia → naturaliter ex Patre sunt omnia; gloriam MMM → gloriam meam; in gloria eat Dei → in gloria est Dei; habel → habet; Filium luum ( Joan.:In, 1) → Filium tuum ( Joan. xvii, 1); Ilucusque → Huc usque; angustias, b → angustias,; igitur d → igitur.
Extrabiblical texts: Bar 3:36–38 (Baruch [in RC, EO, ETH canons]; quotation)
Topics: Christology, Trinity
Cite (SBL): Ambrose, Fid. 2.9 (PL 16:575b–577a; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/ambrose-fide/2-5/#p-2-9). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin of Migne's Patrologia Latina 16 (digital text, Open Greek and Latin; corrections logged), then compared section by section with the public-domain English of NPNF² 10 (de Romestin, 1896); differences checked against the Latin.
2.10PL 16:577a–579a
Pari modo obedientiam Filii objicere solent, quia scriptum est: Et specie inventus ut homo, humiliavit semetipsum, factus obediens usque ad mor tem (Phil. n, 7, 8). Et hominem praemisit, et usque ad mortem dixit; ut intelligeremus obedientiam mortis non divinitatis fuisse, sed incarnationis: in qua et officia nostra suscepit et nomina. Didicimus itaque unam esse potentiam Trini tatis, quam nos in ipsa atque post ipsam docuit passionem; Filius enim patitur per corporis sacra mentum, apostolis Spiritus sanctus infunditur: in manus Patris commendatur spiritus, Deus quoque Pater maxima voce signatur. Didicimus unam Patris et Filii esse imaginem, unam similitudinem, unam sanctificationem. Didicimus unam esse operationem, unam gloriam, unam quoque divinitatem. Unus ergo et solus Deus; quia scriptum est: Dominum Deum tuum adorabis, et illi soli servies. Unus Deus, non ut ipse sit Pater et Filius, sicut impius Sabellius asserit: sed quia Patris et Filii, Spiritusque sancti una divinitas sit: ubi autem una divinitas, una voluntas, una præceptio. Denique ut scias et Patrem esse, et Filium esse, et unum opus Patris ac Filii esse, Apostolum sequere, qui dixit: Ipse autem Deus, et Pater noster, et Dominus noster Jesus dirigat viam nostram ad vos. Et Patrem loquitur, et Filium loquitur: sed unitas directionis est; quia unitas po testatis est. Sic et alibi habes: Ipse autem Dominus noster Jesus Christus, et Deus, et Pater noster qui dilexit nos, et dedit consolationem æternam, et spem bonam in gratia; consoletur corda vestra, et confirmet ( II Thess. II, 15,16). Quantam unitatem ostendit, ut consolationis unitas, non pluralitas sit! Conticescat ergo perfidia, aut si ratione non vincitur, mo rali humanitate flectatur. Consideremus quam moraliter egerit Dominus, ut nos non solum fidem, sed etiam mores doceret. Namque in forma hominis constitutus, subditus erat Joseph et Mariæ. Numquid ergo minor et hominibus, quia subditus? Aliud pietatis, aliud potestatis est: sed non præjudicat pietas potestati. In quo ergo legis subditum Patri? In corpore scili cet, in quo erat subditus matri.
In the same way they are accustomed to raise the objection of the Son’s obedience, because it is written: “And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself, becoming obedient to death.” He both put “man” first and said “to death,” so that we might understand that the obedience unto death belonged not to the divinity but to the incarnation, in which he took on both our duties and our names. We have learned, then, that the power of the Trinity is one, as he taught us both in the passion itself and after it; for the Son suffers through the mystery of the body, the Holy Spirit is poured into the apostles, the spirit is commended into the hands of the Father, and God the Father too is named with a loud voice. We have learned that the image of Father and Son is one, the likeness one, the sanctification one. We have learned that the operation is one, the glory one, and the divinity also one. One, then, and the only God; for it is written: “You shall worship the Lord your God, and him only shall you serve.” One God, not so that the same is Father and Son, as the impious Sabellius asserts, but because the divinity of Father and Son and Holy Spirit is one; and where the divinity is one, the will is one, the command is one. Indeed, so that you may know that there is a Father and there is a Son, and that the work of Father and Son is one, follow the Apostle, who said: “Now may God himself, our Father, and our Lord Jesus direct our way to you.” He speaks of the Father and he speaks of the Son; but there is unity of direction, because there is unity of power. So you have it elsewhere too: “Now may our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God our Father, who loved us and gave us eternal consolation and good hope in grace, console your hearts and strengthen them.” What great unity he shows, in that the consolation is one and not plural! Let faithlessness, then, fall silent; or if it is not overcome by reason, let it be bent by moral kindness. Let us consider how the Lord acted for our moral instruction, so as to teach us not only faith but also conduct. For when he was set in the form of man, he was subject to Joseph and Mary. Was he, then, less even than human beings, because he was subject? One thing belongs to dutiful love, another to power; but dutiful love does not prejudice power. In what respect, then, do you read that he was subject to the Father? Surely in the body, in which he was subject to his mother.
Phil 2:7 (quotation, high confidence) · Phil 2:8 (quotation, high confidence) · Acts 2:4 (allusion, medium confidence) · Luke 23:46 (allusion, high confidence) · Deut 6:13 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 4:10 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Thess 3:11 (quotation, high confidence) · 2 Thess 2:16 (quotation, high confidence) · 2 Thess 2:17 (quotation, high confidence) · Luke 2:51 (allusion, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: Ambrose explains that the Son’s obedience unto death (Phil 2:8) belongs to his incarnation, shows the one power and work of the Trinity from the passion and from Paul’s prayers, and compares the Son’s subjection to his subjection to Joseph and Mary.
- The first word of the chapter in the digital text (exhibuisse) is the end of Migne’s chapter summary and is removed by a logged correction. Quotations and allusions: Phil 2:7–8; Acts 2:4 (John 20:22); Luke 23:46 (“Father, into your hands,” cried with a loud voice); Deut 6:13 (Matt 4:10); 1 Thess 3:11; 2 Thess 2:16–17; Luke 2:51.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR slip; OCR slip and inline footnote letter; end of Migne's chapter summary and OCR slip; inline footnote letter or column number of the digitization): exhibuisse. Pari modo obedienliam → Pari modo obedientiam; scriptum csl → scriptum est; obedientiam morUs → obedientiam mortis; qnam nos b in ipsa → quam nos in ipsa; Pa tris ct Filii → Patris et Filii; Ipse autem Deux → Ipse autem Deus; qui di. lexit → qui dilexit; ostendit, iii consolationis unitas, non pluralitas Sil! Coniice scat → ostendit, ut consolationis unitas, non pluralitas sit! Conticescat; cHam mores → etiam mores; inventus 487 → inventus; vos. c → vos..
Topics: Christology, Trinity
Cite (SBL): Ambrose, Fid. 2.10 (PL 16:577a–579a; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/ambrose-fide/2-5/#p-2-10). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin of Migne's Patrologia Latina 16 (digital text, Open Greek and Latin; corrections logged), then compared section by section with the public-domain English of NPNF² 10 (de Romestin, 1896); differences checked against the Latin.