Against the Nations 4.37–5.17
Latin text: CSEL 4 (Latin text: A. Reifferscheid (CSEL 4, 1875), digitized by Open Greek and Latin, University of Leipzig (csel-dev), CC BY-SA 4.0).English: Claude (claude-opus-5-5), public domain (CC0). Compare: Ante-Nicene Fathers, vol. 6 (1886).
Chapter 4
4.37CSEL 4:171–173
uerum ita se res habet, ut quoniam plurimum gladiis et potestate ualetis ferri, anteire uos etiam ueritatis scientia iudicetis, et esse † pro diis pios, quorum potentias primi opinionum obscenitate foedastis. hoc in loco, si ferocitas uestra permittit et rabies patitur illud, nobis ut respondeatis oramus, utrumne iras cadere in naturam existimetis deorum an ab adfectibus his longe diuinam esse beatitudinem disiugatam? nam si concipiunt has faces et motibus exasperantur irarum sicut uestrae opinationes ferunt — nam saepe illos dicitis et propter ludos minus sollicite factos et propter praesules non probatos et propter quaedam spatiola defanata et propter caerimonias non rite perfectas tremoribus infremuisse terrarum et contagione pestilentiae conrupisse auras zephyrorum luctuosa cum populi uastitate — sequitur ut intellegi debeat iracundias non paruas ex opinionibus eos continere praedictis. quod si datur, datur et illud necessario consequens, miserias has omnis quibus olim genus accumulatur humanum ab huiusmodi fluere fictionibus: quodsi ab his causis indignatio proficiscitur numinum, miseriarum tantarum uos estis auctores, qui animos caelitum non cessatis offendere et ultionis in rabiem concitare. sin autem ab huiusmodi furiis deorum est genus immune neque quid sit irasci dii omnino nouerunt, et nobis ergo irasci sine ulla ratione dicuntur, qui ira quid sit ignorant et ab eius † comptu et permixtione sunt absoluti. [neque enim fieri per rerum naturam potest, ut quod unum est fiat duo et in diuersas res eat unitas ingenita simplicitate diuisa.]
But the matter stands thus: since you are very powerful with swords and the force of iron, you judge that you excel us also in the knowledge of truth, and that you are ... pious toward the gods, whose powers you were the first to defile by the obscenity of your opinions. At this point, if your fierceness allows and your rage permits, we beg you to answer us this: do you think that anger falls on the nature of the gods, or that divine blessedness is far removed from these feelings? For if they conceive these firebrands and are provoked by the motions of anger, as your opinions report (for you often say that because of games performed with too little care, because of leaders of the dance not approved, because of certain little spaces profaned, and because of ceremonies not properly performed, they have roared with earthquakes and corrupted the breezes of the west winds with the contagion of pestilence, with grievous devastation of the people), it follows that it must be understood that they hold no small anger because of the opinions mentioned above. If this is granted, it is also granted as a necessary consequence that all these miseries with which the human race has long been heaped up flow from fictions of this kind; and if the indignation of the deities proceeds from these causes, you are the authors of such great miseries, you who do not cease to offend the minds of the heavenly beings and to rouse them to a frenzy of revenge. But if the race of gods is free from such furies, and the gods do not know at all what it is to be angry, then they are said without any reason to be angry with us too, since they do not know what anger is and are free from its ... and admixture.
Textual problem in this passage: see the notes.
Notes and citation
Summary: If the gods are angry, the pagans' myths have provoked them; if they cannot be angry, they are not angry with Christians either.
- The edition deletes as out of place a final sentence ('For it cannot happen in the nature of things that what is one becomes two ...'). Two words are corrupt ('† pro', '† comptu'). 'hia' in the digital text is corrected to 'his'.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (misread letter in the digital text): ab hia causis → ab his causis.
Topics: Persecution
Cite (SBL): Arnobius, Nat. 4.37 (CSEL 4:171–173; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/arnobius-nationes/4-37/#p-4-37). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin text of Reifferscheid, CSEL 4 (1875); made independently of existing English translations and compared afterwards with ANF 6.
Chapter 5
5.1CSEL 4:173–174
Esto: ab ludentibus poetis cuncta illa sint prodita et * immortalibus diis probra. quid? illa, quae historiae continent graues seriae curiosae quaeque in arcanis mysteriis traditis, poetarum sunt excogitata lasciuia? quae si nobis uiderentur ineptiarum talium fabulae, neque in usu retineretis quaedam † suo neque per cursus annuos laetitias exerceretis ut festas neque ut rerum simulacra gestarum sacrorum conseruaretis in ritibus. ex quibus tam multis unum interim ponam moderaminis temperamentum secutus, in quo stolidus et inprudens ipse ille inducitur Iuppiter, uerborum ambiguitatibus lusus. in secundo Antiatis libro — ne quis forte nos aestimet concinnare per calumnias crimina — talis perscripta est fabula: Numam illum regem, cum procurandi fulminis scientiam non haberet essetque illi cupido noscendi, Egeriae monitu castos duodecim iuuenes apud aquam celasse cum uinculis, ut cum Faunus et Martius Picus ad id locorum uenissent haustum — nam illis aquandi sollemne iter huc fuit — inuaderent constringerent conligarent. sed quo res fieri expeditius posset, regem pocula non parui numeri uino mulsoque complesse circaque accessus fontis insidiosa uenturis opposuisse fallacia. illos more de solito bibendi adpetitione correptos ad hospitia nota uenisse. sed cum liquoribus odoratis offendissent fragrantia pocula, uetustioribus anteposuisse res nouas, inuasisse auiditer, dulcedine potionis captos hausisse plus nimio, obdormiuisse factos graues; tum bis senos incubuisse sopitis, iniecisse madidatis uincla, expergitosque illos statim perdocuisse regem, quibus ad terras modis Iuppiter posset et sacrificiis elici, et accepta regem scientia rem in Auentino fecisse diuinam, elexisse ad terras Iouem ab eoque quaesisse fulguritum procurationis morem. Iouem diu cunctatum expiabis) dixe capite fulgurita; regem respondisse caepicio); Iouem rursus humano); rettulisse regem sed capillo.; deum contra animali; (maena) subiecisse Pompilium. tunc ambiguis Iouem propositionibus captum extulisse hanc uocem decepisti me Numa; nam ego humanis capitibus procurari constitueram fulgurita, non maena capillo caepicio: quoniam me tamen tua circumuenit astutia, quem uoluisti habeto morem et his rebus quas pactus es procurationem semper suscipies fulguritorum.
Granted: let all those disgraces of the immortal gods have been published by playful poets. What then? Were the things which histories contain, serious, grave, and careful, and which you have handed down in secret mysteries, also devised by the wantonness of poets? If these seemed to you fables of such foolishness, you would neither keep certain things in use ... nor celebrate them as festive joys in the yearly courses, nor preserve them in sacred rites as representations of things done. Of these, so many, I will set down one for the moment, following a measure of moderation, in which Jupiter himself is brought in as stupid and imprudent, tricked by ambiguities of words. In the second book of Antias (so that no one may think that we invent charges by slander) such a story is written: that King Numa, since he did not have the knowledge of expiating thunderbolts and was eager to know it, on the advice of Egeria hid twelve chaste young men with chains near a spring, so that when Faunus and Martius Picus came to that place to draw water (for this was their customary route for fetching water), they might seize, bind, and tie them up. But so that the matter might be done more easily, the king filled cups, no small number, with wine and mead and set them around the approaches to the spring as a trap for those who were coming. They, seized as usual by the desire to drink, came to their well-known resting place. But when they came upon the cups fragrant with scented liquors, they preferred the new things to the old, fell upon them greedily, and, captured by the sweetness of the drink, drank far too much and fell asleep, made heavy. Then the twice six youths fell upon them as they slept and threw chains on them, drenched as they were; and when they woke, they at once taught the king by what means Jupiter could be drawn down to earth by sacrifices; and the king, having received the knowledge, performed a sacred rite on the Aventine, drew Jupiter down to earth, and asked of him the manner of expiating what the thunderbolt had struck. Jupiter, after long hesitation, said: 'You will expiate what the lightning has struck with a head.' The king answered: 'Of an onion.' Jupiter again: 'Of a man.' The king replied: 'But with its hair.' The god in turn: 'With a living ...'; Pompilius added: 'Sprat.' Then Jupiter, caught by the ambiguous propositions, uttered these words: 'You have deceived me, Numa; for I had determined that what the lightning struck should be expiated with human heads, not with a sprat, hair, and an onion. But since your cunning has outwitted me, have the rite you wanted, and you will always undertake the expiation of things struck by lightning with these things you have bargained for.'
Textual problem in this passage: see the notes.
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Summary: Arnobius retells from Valerius Antias the legend of Numa tricking Faunus and Picus, and then Jupiter, into substituting an onion, hair, and a fish for human heads in the rite of expiating lightning.
- Valerius Antias was a Roman annalist of the first century BC (no id in the extrabiblical list). The same story appears in Ovid, Fasti 3.285–348, and Plutarch, Numa 15. The exchange plays on the words 'head' (of an onion), 'of a man' (hair), and 'living' (anima, a sprat called maena). The punctuation of the dialogue in the digital text is confused, and two places are marked corrupt or defective ('*', '† suo'); translated by sense.
Extrabiblical texts: Ovid, Fast. 3.285–348 (Ovid; allusion)
Cite (SBL): Arnobius, Nat. 5.1 (CSEL 4:173–174; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/arnobius-nationes/4-37/#p-5-1). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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5.2CSEL 4:174–175
quid primum, quid ultimum uel exsequatur animus uel conticiscat, nec facile dictu est neque ullis considerationibus expeditum. ita enim sunt omnia et excogitata et comparata derisui, ut sit uobis conitendum, falsa ut credantur haec esse, etiam si sint uera, quam optinere uelle pro ueris et uelut quiddam mirabile non sine ipsius numinis insinuare contemptu. quid enim dicitis o isti? credimusne illum Faunum et Martium Picum, si ex numero sunt deorum et ex illa perpetua immortalique natura, sitis aliquando ariditate siccatos atque, ut aestum possent inrigare uenarum, fluenta isse † per fontium? credimusne captos mero et dulcedine inlectos mulsi tamdiu se poculis ingurgitauisse fallacibus, ut usque ad ebrietatis periculum ueniretur? credimusne uictos somno atque altissimi soporis obliuione demersos uinciendi copiam sui animalibus praebuisse terrenis? quibus deinde partibus uinculorum illae iniectae sunt nexiones? soliditatis habebant quicquam aut ex duris ossibus informatae fuerant eorum manus, quae constringi laqueis et nodorum possent inligationibus coerceri? non enim requiro, non exigo, an aliquid potuerint fari ebrietatis alienatione nutantes, an Ioue inuito uel potius nescio protrahendi ad terras eius ritum quisquam potuerit publicare: illud solum audire desidero, cur, si Faunus et Picus sunt diuini generis et potestatis, non ipsi potius edidere quaerenti id quod ab ipso Ioue periculosius Numa cupiebat audire? an numquid Iuppiter solus huius rei scientiam nouerat? ab ipso enim decidunt fulmina ** ut inminentia procurare alicuius debeat scientiae disciplina? an cum ipse iaculetur hos ignes, aliorum sit operis scire, quibus modis conueniat iras eius atque animos temperare? etenim reuera stultissimum credere est, ipsum remedia sciscere, quibus auerti possint ea quae per fulminis iactum in humanis fieri constituerit rebus. hoc est enim dicere: illo ritus genere meas iras placabitis, et si quando per fulgura significauero aliquid imminere, facite hoc et illud, ut quod fieri statui inane fiat et uacuum et sacrorum ui uanescat.
What the mind should pursue first and what last, or pass over in silence, is not easy to say, nor settled by any considerations. For everything is so devised and arranged for derision that you ought to strive to have these things believed false, even if they are true, rather than want to maintain them as true and put them forward as something wonderful, not without contempt for the deity himself. For what do you say? Do we believe that Faunus and Martius Picus, if they are of the number of the gods and of that everlasting and immortal nature, were ever parched with thirst, and, to water the heat of their veins, went for the streams of springs? Do we believe that, captured by strong wine and enticed by the sweetness of mead, they gorged themselves on the treacherous cups so long that it came to the danger of drunkenness? Do we believe that, overcome by sleep and sunk in the forgetfulness of deepest slumber, they offered earthly creatures the chance of binding them? On what parts, then, were those ties of chains thrown? Did they have any solidity, or were their hands formed of hard bones, so that they could be bound with nooses and held by the tying of knots? For I do not inquire or demand whether they could say anything while reeling in the delirium of drunkenness, or whether anyone could publish the rite of drawing Jupiter to earth against his will, or rather without his knowledge. I want only to hear this: why, if Faunus and Picus are of divine race and power, did they not themselves rather tell the inquirer what Numa desired, at greater risk, to hear from Jupiter himself? Did Jupiter alone know this? For do the thunderbolts fall from him ... so that the expiation of what threatens requires the discipline of some knowledge? Or, when he himself hurls these fires, is it the work of others to know in what ways his anger and temper should be moderated? For indeed it is most foolish to believe that he himself makes known the remedies by which the things he has determined to happen in human affairs through the hurling of the thunderbolt can be averted. For this is to say: 'By that kind of rite you will appease my anger; and whenever I signify by lightning that something is coming, do this and that, so that what I have decided should happen may be made void and empty and vanish by the power of the rites.'
Textual problem in this passage: see the notes.
Notes and citation
Summary: The story is absurd: immortal gods do not thirst, get drunk, or get tied up, and Jupiter would not reveal how to frustrate his own thunderbolts.
- A gap is marked before 'so that' and a word is corrupt before 'of springs'. A stray period in the digital text is removed.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (stray period in the digital text): informatae. fuerant → informatae fuerant.
Cite (SBL): Arnobius, Nat. 5.2 (CSEL 4:174–175; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/arnobius-nationes/4-37/#p-5-2). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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5.3CSEL 4:175–176
sed concedamus, ut dicitur, ipsum aduersum se Iouem remedia scisse atque artes quibus iri obuiam suis significationibus conueniret: etiamne credemus deum numinis tanti tractum esse ad terras et in uerrucula collis unius cum homunculo stantem altercabilem conseruisse sermonem? et quaenam illa, quaeso, diuina res fuit, quae ab impetu rerum tanto Iouem compulit auocari et mortalium sese denuntiationibus sistere? mola salsa, tus, sanguis, uerbenarum suffitio et nominum terribilium fremores? et potentiora quam Iuppiter fuerunt haec omnia, ut eum compellerent inuitum parere praeceptis aut uoluntarium sese circumuentionibus tradere? quid? quod sequitur fidem suam habet, tam improuidum fuisse Saturnium, ut aut ea proponeret quorum ambagibus ipse caperetur aut nesciret futurum, quibus lusura se modis astutia esset calliditasque mortalis? expiabis, inquit, capite fulgurita. inperfecta adhuc uox est neque plena proloquii circumscriptaque sententia. scire enim necessario conuenit; utrumne capite ueruicino an suillo, an bubulo, an quolibet alio expiationem istam sciscat Diespiter perpetrari: quod cum nondum specialiter statuisset, essetque adhuc pendens et nondum sententia terminata, qui potuit Numa scire hominis Iouem dicturum caput, ut anteuerteret, anteiret et in caput caepicii ambiguitatis illius incerta traduceret?
But let us grant, as is said, that Jupiter himself made known the remedies against himself and the arts by which his own signs ought to be met: shall we also believe that a god of such great majesty was dragged down to earth, and, standing on the little wart of one hill, engaged in wrangling talk with a little man? And what, I ask, was that divine rite which compelled Jupiter to be called away from so great a business of things and to present himself at the summons of mortals? Salted meal, incense, blood, the smoke of sacred herbs, and the rumbling of terrible names? And were all these more powerful than Jupiter, so as to compel him to obey their commands against his will, or to hand himself over willingly to trickery? What of this, that what follows carries its own proof: that Saturn's son was so improvident as either to propose things by whose ambiguities he himself would be caught, or not to know in what ways the cunning and craft of a mortal would make a fool of him? 'You will expiate,' he says, 'what the lightning has struck with a head.' The utterance is still incomplete, not a full statement or a bounded sentence. For it is necessary to know whether Diespiter was prescribing that this expiation be made with the head of a ram, of a pig, of an ox, or of any other animal. Since he had not yet specified this, and it was still pending and the sentence not finished, how could Numa know that Jupiter was going to say 'of a man', so as to anticipate him, get ahead of him, and turn the uncertainty of that ambiguity into the head of an onion?
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Summary: It is absurd that Jupiter was summoned by rites and outwitted by Numa, who could not have known in advance what Jupiter would say.
Cite (SBL): Arnobius, Nat. 5.3 (CSEL 4:175–176; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/arnobius-nationes/4-37/#p-5-3). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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5.4CSEL 4:176–177
nisi forte dicetis regem fuisse diuinum: numquid ipso poterat esse Ioue diuinior? nisi homo praesumeret, quid dicturus esset Iuppiter, eum non circumscripsit: deus scire non poterat, quibus modis pararet circumscribere se homo? ita non in promptu est et apparet puerilium esse ingeniola fictionum, quibus cum adquiritur cordis Numae uiuacitas, inprudentia maxima inportatur Ioui? quid enim tam inprudens, quam confiteri te captum argutia cordis humani, et cum deceptum te doleas, in uictoris concedere uoluntatem et medicinam quam obtuleras ponere? nam si fuit ratio et quaedam conuenientia naturalis, cur humano capite procuratio debuerit suscipi fulguriti, non uideo cur ab rege relatio sit facta caepicii: sin autem poterat et caepicio transigi, libidinose hominis inhiatum est cruori. atque ita in contrarium pars utraque traducitur, ut nec Numa monstretur uoluisse scire quod uoluit et crudelis Iuppiter fuisse doceatur, qui quod maena potuit et caepicio suscipi uoluisse se dixerit humanis capitibus expiari.
Unless perhaps you will say that the king was a diviner: could he be more of a diviner than Jupiter himself? Unless the man had anticipated what Jupiter would say, he would not have outwitted him: could the god not know in what ways the man was preparing to outwit him? Is it not plain and evident that these are the petty wits of childish fictions, in which, while liveliness of heart is gained for Numa, the greatest imprudence is imposed on Jupiter? For what is so imprudent as to confess that you have been caught by the subtlety of a human heart, and, while you grieve that you were deceived, to yield to the will of the victor and lay aside the remedy you had offered? For if there was a reason and a certain natural fitness why the expiation of what was struck by lightning ought to be undertaken with a human head, I do not see why the king's reply of 'onion' was accepted; but if it could be settled with an onion, then there was a lustful craving for human blood. And so both parts are turned into their contrary, so that neither is Numa shown to have wanted to know what he wanted, and Jupiter is shown to have been cruel, who said that he wanted to be expiated with human heads for what could be undertaken with a sprat and an onion.
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Summary: The story makes Jupiter either foolish or cruel, since he first demanded human heads for a rite that an onion and a fish could satisfy.
- 'in uict oris' in the digital text is corrected to 'in uictoris'.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (word split in the digital text): in uict oris → in uictoris.
Cite (SBL): Arnobius, Nat. 5.4 (CSEL 4:176–177; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/arnobius-nationes/4-37/#p-5-4). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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5.5CSEL 4:177
apud Timotheum, non ignobilem theologorum unum, nec non apud alios aeque doctos super Magna deorum Matre superque sacris eius origo haec sita est, ex reconditis antiquitatum libris et ex intimis eruta, quemadmodum ipse scribit insinuatque, mysteriis. in Phrygiae finibus inauditae per omnia uastitatis petra, inquit, est quaedam, cui nomen est Agdus, regionis eius ab indigenis sic uocata. ex ea lapides sumptos, sicut Themis mandauerat praecinens, in orbem mortalibus uacuum Deucalion iactauit et Pyrra, ex quibus cum ceteris et haec Magna quae dicitur informata est Mater atque animata diuinitus. hanc in uertice ipso petrae datam quieti et somno nequam incestis Iuppiter cupiditatibus adpetiuit, sed cum obluctatus diu id quod sibi promiserat optinere nequisset, uoluptatem in lapidem fudit uictus. hinc petra concepit, et mugitibus editis multis prius mense nascitur decimo materno ab nomine cognominatus Agdestis. huic robur inuictum et ferocitas animi fuerat intractabilis, insana et furialis libido et ex utroque sexu; ui rapta diuastare, disperdere, immanitas quo animi duxerat; non deos curare, non homines nec praeter se quicquam potentius credere terras, caelum et sidera continere.
In Timotheus, not an obscure theologian, and also in others equally learned, this is set out as the origin of the Great Mother of the gods and of her rites, drawn, as he himself writes and suggests, from hidden books of antiquity and from the inmost mysteries. In the borders of Phrygia, he says, there is a rock of wholly unheard-of vastness, whose name is Agdus, so called by the natives of that region. Stones taken from it, as Themis had commanded in prophecy, Deucalion and Pyrrha threw into a world empty of mortals; and from them, along with the others, this so-called Great Mother too was formed and divinely given life. When she had been given to rest and sleep on the very top of the rock, wicked Jupiter sought her with incestuous desires; but when, after struggling long, he could not obtain what he had promised himself, overcome, he spilled his pleasure on the stone. From this the rock conceived, and, after uttering many bellowings first, in the tenth month there was born one named Agdestis from his mother's name. He had invincible strength and an untamable fierceness of mind, an insane and frenzied lust, and from both sexes; he seized by force, laid waste, and destroyed wherever the savagery of his mind led; he cared for neither gods nor men, and did not believe that earth, heaven, or stars held anything more powerful than himself.
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Summary: Arnobius begins to recount, from Timotheus, the Phrygian myth of the Great Mother and the birth of the violent two-sexed Agdestis.
- Timotheus was an Athenian Eumolpid who helped establish the cult of Serapis; his work on the Great Mother is lost. The myth of Agdestis, Attis, and the Great Mother (Cybele) is also told by Pausanias 7.17.10–12. It is translated as written; Arnobius recounts it in order to ridicule it.
Cite (SBL): Arnobius, Nat. 5.5 (CSEL 4:177; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/arnobius-nationes/4-37/#p-5-5). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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5.6CSEL 4:177–179
cuius cum audacia quibusnam modis posset uel debilitari uel conprimi saepenumero esset deorum in deliberatione quaesitum, haesitantibus ceteris huius muneris curam Liber in se suscipit. familiarem illi fontem, quo ardorem fuerat suetus et sitiendi lenire flagrantiam ludo et uenationibus excitatam, ualidissima succendit ui meri. necessitatis in tempore haustum accurrit Agdestis, immoderatius potionem hiantibus uenis rapit: fit ut insolita re uictus soporem in altissimum deprimatur. adest ad insidias Liber, ex setis scientissime conplicatis imum plantae inicit laqueum, parte altera proles cum ipsis genitalibus occupat. exhalata ille ui meri corripit se impetu et adducente nexus planta suis ipse se uiribus eo quo uir erat priuat sexu. cum discidio partium sanguis fluit inmensus, rapiuntur et combibuntur haec terra, malum repente cum pomis ex his punicum nascitur. cuius Nana speciem contemplata regis Sangari uel fluminis filia carpit mirans atque in sinu reponit: fit ex eo praegnas. tamquam uitiatam claudit pater et curat ut inedia moriatur: pomis atque aliis pabulis deum sustentatur a matre. enititur paruulum. sed exponi Sangarius praecipit: repertum nescio quis sumit † formas, lacte alit hirquino et quoniam Lydia scitulos sic uocat, uel quia hirquos Phryges suis attagos elocutionibus nuncupant, inde Attis nomen ut sortiretur effluxit. hunc unice mater deum, ore fuerat quod excellentissimo, diligebat. diligebat et Agdestis, blandus adulto comes et qua solum poterat minime rectis adsentationibus uinctum saltuosa ducens per nemora et ferarum multis muneribus donans, quae puer Attis primo sui esse dicebat laboris atque operis glorians: per uinum deinde confitetur et ab Agdesti se diligi et ab eo donis siluestribus honorari; unde uino, quod silentium prodidit, in eius nefas est sanctum sese inferre pollutis.
When the gods had often asked in deliberation in what ways his boldness could be weakened or suppressed, and the others hesitated, Liber took on himself the care of this task. He mixed with the strongest wine a spring familiar to Agdestis, where he was accustomed to relieve his heat and the burning of thirst roused by sport and hunting. At the time of need Agdestis runs to drink, and snatches the drink too greedily into his gaping veins: it happens that, overcome by the unaccustomed thing, he sinks into the deepest sleep. Liber is at hand for the trap; he throws a noose made of most skillfully twisted hairs over the bottom of his foot, and with the other part seizes his organs of generation. When the force of the wine had been breathed off, he leaps up with a rush, and, as his foot draws the noose, by his own strength he deprives himself of the sex by which he was a man. At the tearing away of the parts, a huge amount of blood flows; they are snatched up and drunk in by the earth, and suddenly from them a pomegranate tree springs up with its fruit. Nana, daughter of King Sangarius, or of the river, looking at its beauty, plucks it in wonder and puts it in her bosom: from it she becomes pregnant. Her father shuts her up as though she had been defiled, and sees to it that she dies of starvation: she is kept alive by the mother of the gods with fruits and other food. She gives birth to a little child. But Sangarius orders it to be exposed. Someone finds it, takes it up ..., nourishes it with goat's milk; and since Lydia calls handsome youths so, or because the Phrygians in their speech call goats attagi, from this it came about that he received the name Attis. The mother of the gods loved him uniquely, because he was of most excellent beauty. Agdestis also loved him, a flattering companion to him when grown, and, in the only way he could, bound him by by no means upright indulgences, leading him through wooded groves and presenting him with many gifts of wild beasts; these the boy Attis at first said were the fruit of his own toil and work, boasting; then, through wine, he confessed that he was loved by Agdestis and honored with gifts of the forest. From this it is unlawful for those polluted by wine, because it betrayed silence, to enter his sanctuary.
Textual problem in this passage: see the notes.
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Summary: In the myth, Liber tricks Agdestis into castrating himself; from his blood a pomegranate grows, by which Nana conceives Attis, who is loved by the Great Mother and Agdestis.
- The etymologies of 'Attis' (Lydian for 'handsome' or Phrygian attagus, 'goat') are given as in the source. A word is corrupt ('† formas'). A stray period in the digital text is removed.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (stray period in the digital text): diligi. et ab eo → diligi et ab eo.
Cite (SBL): Arnobius, Nat. 5.6 (CSEL 4:177–179; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/arnobius-nationes/4-37/#p-5-6). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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5.7CSEL 4:179–180
tunc Pessinuntius rex Midas alienare cupiens tam infami puerum coniunctione matrimonio eius suam filiam destinat, ac ne scaeuus aliquis nuptialia interrumperet gaudia, fecit oppidum claudi. uerum deum mater adulescentuli fatum sciens interque homines illum tamdiu futurum saluum quamdiu esset solutus a matrimonii foedere, ne quid accideret maesti, ciuitatem ingreditur clausam muris eius capite subleuatis, quod esse turritum ratione ab hac coepit. *** Agdestis scatens ira conuulsi a se pueri et uxoris ad studium deriuati conuiuantibus cunctis furorem et insaniam suggerit: conclamant exterriti † adorandorum Phryges, mammas sibi demetit † Galli filia paelicis, rapit Attis fistulam, quam instigator ipse gestitabat insaniae, furiarum et ipse iam plenus, perbacchatus iactatus proicit se tandem et sub pini arbore genitalia sibi desecat dicens tibi Agdesti haec habe, propter quae motus tantos furialium discriminum concitasti. euolat cum profluuio sanguinis uita, sed abscisa quae fuerant Magna legit et ** Mater deum, inicit his terram, ueste prius tecta erant atque inuoluta defuncti. fluore de sanguinis uiola flos nascitur et redimitur ex hac arbos: inde natum et ortum est nunc etiam sacras uelarier et coronarier pinos. uirgo sponsa quae fuerat, quam Valerius pontifex Iam nomine fuisse conscribit, exanimati pectus lanis mollioribus uelat, dat lacrimas cum Agdesti interficitque se ipsam: purpurantes in uiolas cruor uertitur interemptae. mater suffodit et Iam deum, unde amygdalus nascitur amaritudinem significans funeris. tunc arborem pinum, sub qua Attis nomine spoliauerat se uiri, in antrum suum defert et sociatis planctibus cum Agdesti tundit et sauciat pectus pausatae circum arboris robur. Iuppiter rogatus ab Agdesti ut Attis reuiuesceret non sinit; quod tamen fieri per fatum posset, sine ulla difficultate condonat, ne corpus eius putrescat, crescant ut comae semper, digitorum ut minimissimus uiuat et perpetuo solus agitetur e motu. quibus contentum beneficiis Agdestim consecrasse corpus in Pessinunte, caerimoniis annuis et sacerdotiorum antistitibus honorasse.
Then Midas, king of Pessinus, wanting to separate the boy from so infamous an association, intended his own daughter for him in marriage, and, so that no ill-omened person might interrupt the wedding joys, had the town closed. But the mother of the gods, knowing the youth's fate, and that he would be safe among men only as long as he was free from the bond of marriage, so that nothing sad might happen, entered the city, closed by walls, by raising them with her head; for that reason she began to be depicted crowned with towers. ... Agdestis, seething with anger at the boy's being torn from him and drawn off to the pursuit of a wife, inspires all the banqueters with frenzy and madness. The Phrygians, terrified ..., cry out; the daughter of Gallus ... cuts off her breasts; Attis snatches the pipe which the instigator of the madness himself carried, and, now himself full of frenzy, after raving and tossing about he finally throws himself down and under a pine tree cuts off his genitals, saying: 'Take these, Agdestis, for whose sake you stirred up such great commotions of frenzied danger.' His life flies away with the flow of blood; but the Great Mother of the gods gathered up what had been cut off ..., throws earth on them, having first covered and wrapped them in the dead man's garment. From the flow of blood the violet flower springs, and the tree is wreathed with it: from this arose and began the custom, still kept, of veiling and crowning the sacred pines. The maiden who had been his bride, whose name the pontiff Valerius writes was Ia, covers the dead man's breast with softer wools, sheds tears with Agdestis, and kills herself; the blood of the slain girl is turned into purple violets. The mother buries Ia too, from whom the almond tree springs, signifying the bitterness of death. Then she carries the pine tree, under which Attis had stripped himself of manhood, into her cave, and, joining her laments with Agdestis, beats and wounds her breast around the trunk of the tree now at rest. Jupiter, asked by Agdestis that Attis should come back to life, does not allow it; but what could be done by fate he grants without any difficulty: that his body should not decay, that his hair should always grow, that his smallest finger should live and alone be kept in perpetual motion. Content with these favors, Agdestis is said to have consecrated the body at Pessinus and to have honored it with yearly ceremonies and priestly ministers.
Textual problem in this passage: see the notes.
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Summary: The myth continues: Agdestis drives the wedding guests mad, Attis castrates himself and dies under a pine, and from these events come the rites of the Great Mother's cult.
- The cult of Cybele and Attis at Pessinus, with its self-castrated priests (galli) and sacred pine, was celebrated at Rome each March. Several places are corrupt or defective ('***', '†', '**'); the name of the Gallus's daughter is uncertain. Stray marks in the digital text are removed.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (stray number and mark in the digital text; stray period in the digital text): illum. tamdiu → illum tamdiu; sponsa 12* quae → sponsa quae.
Cite (SBL): Arnobius, Nat. 5.7 (CSEL 4:179–180; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/arnobius-nationes/4-37/#p-5-7). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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5.8CSEL 4:180–181
si contemptor aliquis numinum et sacrilegi pectoris immanitate furiosus intendisset animum maledicere diis uestris, auderet in eos quicquam grauius dicere quam ista prodit historia, quam uelut quiddam mirabile commentarii contulistis in formulam ac, ne illam uis temporis et uetustatis obsolefaceret longitudo, perpetuitatis honore mactastis? quid est enim de diis in ea positum quidue conscriptum, quod non, si in hominem dixeris pudibundis moribus et disciplinis horridioribus educatum, et contumeliae reus sis et iniuriis et offensionibus odium simultatibus subeas inexpiabilibus comparatum? ex lapidibus, inquitis, quos Deucalion iactauit et Pyrra, deum procreata est mater. quid o theologi dicitis, quid supernarum antistites potestatum? ergone deum mater ante diluuii casum nulla fuit in parte naturae, et nisi omne mortalium genus interemisset uis imbrium, procreationis illius causa atque origo cessaret? humanum est ergo munus quod esse se sentit et beneficiis debet Pyrrae quod numerari se conspicit in alicuius substantiae qualitate: quod quidem si uerum est, et illud erit necessario non falsum, hominem illam fuisse, non diuam. nam si certum est homines ex illo lapidum iactu natiuitatis suae originem ducere, et hanc necesse est credi unam fuisse de nobis, consimilium causarum rationibus procreatam. neque enim fieri rerum per repugnantiam quiuit, ut ex uno lapidum genere et ex eadem ratione iaciendi immortalium quidam sortis, condicionis alii substituerentur humanae. Varro ille Romanus multiformibus eminens disciplinis et in uetustatis indagatione rimator in librorum quattuor primo quos de gente conscriptos Romani populi dereliquit curiosis computationibus edocet, ab diluuii tempore, cuius supra fecimus mentionem, ad usque Hirti consulatum et Pansae annorum esse milia nondum duo: cum quo si stat fides, Mater quoque dicenda est Magna intra huius numeri fines aeuitatem suam habere conclusam, atque ita perducitur res eo, ut quae omnium numinum genetrix esse narratur non sit mater sed filia, quinimmo infans et paruula, siquidem deos concedimus neque initia neque fines saeculorum perpetua in continuatione sortitos.
If some despiser of the deities, raging with the monstrousness of a sacrilegious heart, had set his mind on reviling your gods, would he dare to say anything more grievous against them than this history publishes, which you have reduced to a formula in your records as something wonderful, and, so that the force of time and length of antiquity might not wear it away, honored with the honor of permanence? For what is set down or written about the gods in it that, if you said it against a man brought up in modest character and rather strict discipline, would not make you guilty of insult and wrongs, and bring on you a hatred prepared for irreconcilable feuds? 'From the stones,' you say, 'which Deucalion and Pyrrha threw, the mother of the gods was produced.' What do you say, you theologians, you high priests of the powers above? Was there, then, no mother of the gods in any part of nature before the disaster of the flood, and if the force of the rains had not killed the whole race of mortals, would the cause and origin of that begetting have been lacking? It is a human gift, then, that she feels herself to exist, and she owes it to Pyrrha's kindness that she sees herself counted in the quality of some substance. If this is true, this too will necessarily not be false: that she was a human being, not a goddess. For if it is certain that human beings draw the origin of their birth from that throwing of stones, it must be believed that she too was one of us, produced by the principles of similar causes. For it could not happen, by a contradiction in things, that from one kind of stones and the same manner of throwing, some should be set in the lot of immortals and others in the human condition. The famous Roman Varro, eminent in many kinds of learning and a searcher in the investigation of antiquity, teaches with careful calculations, in the first of the four books he left on the race of the Roman people, that from the time of the flood mentioned above to the consulship of Hirtius and Pansa there are not yet two thousand years. If faith stands with him, the Great Mother too must be said to have her age enclosed within the limits of this number; and so the matter comes to this, that she who is said to be the mother of all the deities is not a mother but a daughter, indeed an infant and a little one, since we grant that the gods have neither beginnings nor ends of ages in their perpetual continuity.
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Summary: If the Great Mother was born from Deucalion's stones, she is of human origin and, by Varro's chronology, less than two thousand years old.
- Varro, On the Race of the Roman People (De gente populi Romani), book 1. Hirtius and Pansa were consuls in 43 BC. A stray period in the digital text is removed.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (stray period in the digital text): odium. simultatibus → odium simultatibus.
Extrabiblical texts: Varro (Varro; allusion)
Cite (SBL): Arnobius, Nat. 5.8 (CSEL 4:180–181; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/arnobius-nationes/4-37/#p-5-8). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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5.9CSEL 4:181–182
sed quid terrenis obuoluisse uos sordibus deum loquimur matrem, cum ab Iouis ipsius maledictis nullam pausam facere uel exigui temporis intercapedine quiueritis? cum in summo Agdi uertice deum dormiret tum genetrix, obrepere conquiescentis pudori filius, inquitis, insidiator enisus est. post innumeras uirgines et spoliatas castitate matronas etiamne in matrem cupiditatis infandae spem Iuppiter cepit, nec ab illius adpetitionis ardore horror eum quiuit auertere, quem non hominibus solis sed animalibus quoque nonnullis natura ipsa subiecit, et ingeneratus ille communiter sensus? an respectus pietatis et honesti Capitoliorum defuit praesidi, nec quid sceleris cuperet conturbatis per insaniam mentibus aut retractare poterat aut peruidere? sed utut res est, ponderis et maiestatis oblitus ad furta illa flagitiosa correpens ibat, pauens ac trepidus, anhelitu oris presso, suspensis per formidinem gressibus et inter media constitutus sollicitudinis speique confinia palpabat res intimas, altitudinem dormitionis et matris patientiam temptans. o rerum imaginatio indecora! o habitus foedus Iouis ad obsceni certaminis expeditionem parati! ergone ille rex mundi, cum incautus et properus obreptionis esset reiectus a furto, in inpetum se uertit et quoniam rapere uoluptatem insidiosa fraude non quiuit, ui matrem adgressus est et apertissime coepit uenerabilem subruere castitatem? conluctatus ergo diutissime cum inuita est, uictus, fractus superatusque defecit, et quem pietas diiugare ab infando matris non ualuit adpetitu, effusa libido diiunxit?
But why do we speak of your having wrapped the mother of the gods in earthly filth, when you could not make any pause from slandering Jupiter himself, even for a brief interval? When the mother of the gods was sleeping on the top of Agdus, her son, you say, strove as a lurking attacker to creep upon the modesty of the sleeping woman. After countless virgins and matrons robbed of their chastity, did Jupiter also conceive a hope of unspeakable desire toward his mother, and could not that horror turn him from the heat of that craving, which nature itself has placed not only in human beings but also in some animals, that sense implanted in all alike? Or was regard for piety and honor lacking to the guardian of the Capitols, and could he, his mind confused by madness, neither reconsider nor see clearly what crime he desired? But however that may be, forgetting his weight and majesty, he went creeping to that shameful theft, frightened and trembling, holding the breath of his mouth, his steps held up by fear, and, placed between the borders of anxiety and hope, he felt his way to intimate things, testing the depth of sleep and his mother's tolerance. O unseemly picture of things! O foul posture of Jupiter prepared for the campaign of an obscene contest! Did that king of the world, then, when, careless and hasty in his creeping, he was repulsed from his theft, turn to force, and, since he could not snatch pleasure by treacherous fraud, attack his mother by violence and begin most openly to overthrow her venerable chastity? After struggling very long with her against her will, was he overcome, broken, and defeated, and he whom piety could not separate from unspeakable desire for his mother, did his spilled lust separate?
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Summary: Arnobius ridicules the myth's picture of Jupiter attempting to violate his mother, the Great Mother.
Cite (SBL): Arnobius, Nat. 5.9 (CSEL 4:181–182; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/arnobius-nationes/4-37/#p-5-9). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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5.10CSEL 4:182–183
nisi forte dicetis, conuentionis huiusmodi coeptum genus uitat atque execratur humanum, apud deos incesta sunt nulla. et cur mater acerrime pugnabat inferenti uim filio? cur ab illius amplexibus tamquam inlicitos uitans refugiebat adtactus? nam si nihil esset in re mali, tam gerere illa morem sine ulla retractione debuerat quam uolebat hic cupide adpetitionis suae inritamente complere. et sane hoc loco frugalitatis magnae uiri et circa res etiam flagitiosi operis parciores, ne sancta illa semina frustra uideantur effusa, silex, inquitis, ebibit Iouialis incontinentiae foeditatem. quid deinde, quaeso, consecutum est? dicite. in sinu medio lapidis atque in illa cotis duritie informatus atque animatus est infans, Iouis magni futura progenies. non est facile contradicere tam prodigiosis conceptionibus tamque miris. cum enim genus humanum ex lapidibus apud uos ortum procreatumque dicatur, necesse est credere et receptacula lapides habuisse genitalia et iaculatam conbibisse sementem et completis temporibus sustinuisse aluos graues et ad postremum peperisse feminei moris difficultate conixos. illud nostram subigit curiositatem requirere: cum post decem menses redditum esse dicatis partum, illo tempore quo in utero lapidis fuit clausus quibus alimoniis inrigatus est, quibus sucis, uel ex rigore quae saxeo nutricia potuit ducere, ut est fetibus sollemne de matribus? nondum, inquit, contigerat lucem et tonitrus patrios iam mugiens imitatus referebat: et postquam illi datum est caelum diemque conspicere, obuia quaeque uastabat incursans atque ipsos sibi spondebat deos caeli posse ab regione detrudere. o cauta et prouida deum mater, quae ne nati inuidiam tam insolentis subiret aut mugiens fetus somnis suis officeret aut interpellaret quietem, subtraxit se ipsam et seminis illud nocentissimum uirus transmisit ab se longe et saxorum asperitatibus propinauit.
Unless perhaps you will say: 'The human race avoids and curses unions of this kind; among the gods there is no incest.' Then why did the mother fight most fiercely against her son as he offered violence? Why did she flee from his embraces, avoiding his touches as unlawful? For if there were nothing evil in the matter, she ought to have complied without any reluctance, as much as he eagerly wished to satisfy the stirring of his desire. And indeed at this point, men of great thrift and rather sparing even in matters of shameful work, so that those holy seeds might not seem to have been poured out in vain, you say, 'the flint drank in the foulness of Jupiter's incontinence.' What followed then, I ask? Tell us. In the middle of the stone's bosom and in that hardness of flint an infant was formed and given life, the future offspring of great Jupiter. It is not easy to contradict such prodigious and wonderful conceptions. For since the human race is said among you to have arisen and been produced from stones, it must be believed that the stones too had genital receptacles, drank in the seed cast at them, when their time was completed bore heavy bellies, and at last gave birth, straining with the difficulty of the female way. This compels our curiosity to ask: since you say that the offspring was delivered after ten months, during the time he was shut up in the stone's womb, with what nourishment was he watered, with what juices, or what food could he draw from the stony rigidity, as is customary for offspring from their mothers? 'He had not yet reached the light,' he says, 'and already, bellowing, he was imitating and reproducing his father's thunder; and after it was granted him to see the sky and the day, he laid waste whatever he met, rushing upon it, and promised himself that he could thrust the gods themselves from the region of heaven.' O cautious and provident mother of the gods, who, so as not to incur odium for so insolent a son, or so that the bellowing offspring might not disturb her sleep or interrupt her rest, withdrew herself and transferred that most harmful poison of seed far away from herself and offered it to the roughness of the rocks!
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Summary: Arnobius mocks the myth's account of Agdestis conceived in a rock and born bellowing in the tenth month.
Cite (SBL): Arnobius, Nat. 5.10 (CSEL 4:182–183; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/arnobius-nationes/4-37/#p-5-10). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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5.11CSEL 4:183–184
aestuatum est in conciliis deorum, quibusnam modis posset intractabilis illa feritas edomari, et cum uia nulla superesset, ad opem concursum est unicam, ut mero madidaretur multo et uirilibus spoliaretur abscisis. quasi uero adfecti corporalibus his damnis fiant languidioris audaciae, et non cotidie uideamus eos qui sibi demessuerint has partes maioris petulantiae fieri atque omnibus postpositis pudoris et uerecundiae frenis in obscenam prorumpere uilitatem flagitiorum confessione uulgata. uellem tamen uidere, si esset mihi his nasci temporibus datum, patrem illum Liberum debellatorem ferocitatis Agdestiae, post deorum angustissimas curias caeli ab culminibus lapsum, peniculamenta decurtantem cantheriorum, innectentem laqueos mobiles, aquarum innoxias puritates multa sauciantem ui meri, et postquam ebrietas potum mersit, inseruisse caute manus, contrectauisse uirilia dormientis, atque ut omnia cingerent circumpositi laqueorum morsus, artificii curas tum rebus adhibuisse perituris.
There was agitation in the councils of the gods as to how that untamable savagery could be subdued; and when no way was left, they ran to a single remedy: that he should be soaked with much strong wine and robbed of his manhood by cutting it off. As if, indeed, those affected by these bodily losses become of more languid boldness, and we did not see every day that those who have cut off these parts from themselves become more wanton, and, casting aside all the reins of shame and modesty, burst into obscene vileness with the public confession of their shameful acts. Still, I should like to see, if it had been granted me to be born in those times, that Father Liber, the vanquisher of Agdestis's savagery, having come down from the heights of heaven after the most august councils of the gods, cutting short the tails of geldings, twisting slip-knots, spoiling the harmless purity of the waters with much force of wine; and, after drunkenness had sunk the drinker, cautiously putting in his hands, handling the private parts of the sleeper, and then, so that the bites of the nooses placed around might encircle everything, applying the care of his craft to things about to perish.
Textual problem in this passage: see the notes.
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Summary: Arnobius ridicules the gods' council deciding to castrate Agdestis and pictures Liber preparing the noose.
- The self-castrated priests (galli) of the Great Mother are the ones Arnobius has in view. The digital text contains a long block of the edition's critical apparatus (line numbers and variant readings for 5.10–11) inside this section; it is removed.
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- Digital text corrected (leaked critical apparatus (line numbers and variant readings) in the digital text): damnis 3 semina P inquitis Rigaltius: inquit P 4 iouialis P 6 duritiae P 11 sustinuisse scripsi: sustulisse P tulisse Meursius 17 festibus P corr solemne P corr c 18 imitatus scripsi: imitatusque P imitabatur atque Urs imitus intusque Salm minitatusque Bigaltius 21 a Sab regione Sab: religione P 22 subiret P 23 officeret Sab: sufficeret P interpellaret Sab: interpellare P 26 posset Sab in err: esset P -27 faeritas P edomari Sab: edominari P 28 adidaretur P corr c multo om Sab 29 abscissis Sab fiant → damnis fiant.
Cite (SBL): Arnobius, Nat. 5.11 (CSEL 4:183–184; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/arnobius-nationes/4-37/#p-5-11). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin text of Reifferscheid, CSEL 4 (1875); made independently of existing English translations and compared afterwards with ANF 6.
5.12CSEL 4:184–185
hocine de diis quisquam uel exigua dixerit eorum opinione pollutus? aut si talibus occupati sunt negotiis cogitationibus curis, quisquam eos sapiens aut deos esse crediderit aut inmortalium saltem in numero conputauerit? Agdestis iste, oro, cuius obscenitas amputata securitatem fuerat inlatura caelestibus, ex terrenis animantibus unus fuit an deorum aliquis et inmortalitatis praeditus honore? si enim nostrae sortis et condicionis habebatur humanae, cur terrorem tantum numinibus inferebat? deus autem si fuerat, qui potuit decipi aut diuino aliquid ex corpore desecari? sed quaestionem mouemus parte in hac nullam; fuerit licet de diuino genere uel ex nobis aliquis, si hoc rectius existimabitis dici: lentene fluore de sanguinis et ex genitalibus amputatis arbor mali enata est punici, an tum quando uis illa telluris cooperta est gremio solum radice complexa est, in stipitis exiliuit robur, oneratos fudit balaustiis ramos et in puncti spatio poma extulit mitia, perfectionis propriae maturitate completa? et quia de rubro exorta sunt haec sanguine, idcirco illis color est purpurei luminis suffectione subluteus; addite huc etiam idcirco esse uuida, idcirco uinosa, quod ex sanguine uino saburrati genus ducant, et fabulam conuenienter implestis. o Abdera, Abdera, dares quantas uias mortalibus inridendi, talis si apud te esset fabula ita conflata! discunt eam cuncti patres et superciliosae perlegunt ciuitates. et esse tu fatua et stoliditatis frigidissimae iudicaris. per sinum, inquit, Nana filium concepit ex pomo.
Would anyone polluted by even a slight opinion of the gods say this about them? Or, if they are occupied with such business, thoughts, and cares, would any wise person believe them to be gods, or even count them in the number of the immortals? This Agdestis, I ask, whose obscenity when cut off was to bring security to the heavenly ones, was he one of the earthly creatures, or one of the gods, endowed with the honor of immortality? For if he was considered of our lot and human condition, why did he bring such terror on the deities? But if he was a god, how could he be deceived, or anything be cut from a divine body? But we raise no question on this point; let him have been of the divine race or one of us, if you think that more rightly said: was it from the slow flow of blood and from the cut-off genitals that the pomegranate tree grew; or, when that force was covered in the bosom of the earth, did it embrace the soil with a root, leap up into the strength of a trunk, put forth branches laden with blossoms, and in a moment's space bring forth ripe fruit, filled with the maturity of its own perfection? And because they arose from red blood, therefore their color is yellowish, with a tinge of purple light underneath; add also that they are therefore juicy and therefore winy, because they draw their origin from blood loaded with wine, and you have completed the fable fittingly. O Abdera, Abdera, what ways of mockery you would give mortals if such a fable had been put together among you! All the fathers learn it, and supercilious cities read it through; and you are judged foolish and of the coldest stupidity. 'Through her bosom,' he says, 'Nana conceived a son from a pomegranate.'
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Summary: Arnobius mocks the myth's account of the pomegranate that grew from Agdestis's blood and made Nana pregnant.
- Abdera in Thrace was proverbial for the stupidity of its inhabitants. 'lentene' at the start of a question is doubtful in the text; translated by sense.
Cite (SBL): Arnobius, Nat. 5.12 (CSEL 4:184–185; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/arnobius-nationes/4-37/#p-5-12). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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5.13CSEL 4:185–186
sequitur scilicet ratio: ubi enim cautes et saxa pariunt dura, ibi poma necesse est suriant. glandibus atque ficis alebat Berecyntia religatam. conuenienter et recte: pomis enim debuerat uiuere quae mater fuerat facta de pomo. postquam fetus emissus est, longe iussus est ab Sangario proici: quem conceptum diuinitus credidit esse iamdudum, dedignatus est subolem sui pignoris nuncupari. lacte infans educatus hirquino est. o fabulam sexui inimicam semper atque infestissimam masculino, in qua secus uirile non solum homines ponunt, sed pecudes etiam fiunt ex maribus matres. pulcritudine inclita et praedicabili fuit insignitus decore. admirabilis res satis, quod non illum fetor uitabilem reddidit fugiendumque caprinus. Mater eum dilexit Magna. si nepotem ut auia, res simplex, sin theatra ut percrepant, infamis et flagitiosa dilectio est. diligebat et Agdestis uenatoriis eum muneribus locupletans. ab semiuiro quidem nullum esse poterat periculum castitatis, sed quid Midas horruerit, non est facile suspicantibus aestimare? ipsis Mater est ingressa cum moenibus. admiramur quidem in hac parte uires et fortitudinem numinis, sed culpamus neglegentiam rursus, quod cum legis meminisset et fati, patefecerit hostibus minus prouida ciuitatem. nuptialia celebrantibus uota furias Agdestis insaniamque subiecit. si Midas rex offenderat, qui uxore adulescentulum uinciebat, quid admiserat Gallus, quid pelicis filia, ut ille se uiro, haec mammarum honestate priuaret? tibi habe haec, inquit, propter quae res tantas animorum subuersionibus concitasti. nesciremus adhuc omnes, quid in adulti corpore furor desiderasset Agdestius, nisi puer abscisa satiatus obiecisset offenso.
The logic follows, of course: where crags and hard stones give birth, there fruits must be pregnant. The Berecyntian goddess fed the imprisoned girl with acorns and figs. Fitting and right: for she who had become a mother from a fruit ought to live on fruits. After the child was brought forth, Sangarius ordered it to be thrown far away: though he had long believed it was conceived by divine means, he disdained to be called the offspring's grandfather. The infant was reared on goat's milk. O fable always hostile and most inimical to the male sex, in which not only do men lay aside their manhood, but even he-goats become mothers! He was marked by famous and praiseworthy beauty. A wonderful thing indeed, that the goatish smell did not make him someone to avoid and flee! The Great Mother loved him. If as a grandmother loves a grandson, it is a simple matter; but if, as the theaters din, it is an infamous and shameful love. Agdestis also loved him, enriching him with hunting gifts. From a half-man indeed there could be no danger to chastity; but what Midas feared is not easy to judge for those who guess. The Mother entered along with the walls themselves. We admire indeed in this part the strength and might of the goddess, but we blame again her negligence, because, though she remembered the law and fate, she opened the city to enemies with too little foresight. Agdestis instilled frenzy and madness into those celebrating the wedding vows. If King Midas had given offense by binding the youth with a wife, what had Gallus done, what had the daughter of the concubine done, that he should deprive himself of his manhood and she of the ornament of her breasts? 'Take these,' he says, 'for whose sake you stirred up such great things by the overthrow of minds.' We would all still not know what Agdestis's frenzy had desired in the body of the grown youth, if the boy had not, satisfied, thrown the cut-off parts to the offended one.
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Summary: Arnobius continues to mock the details of the Attis myth.
- 'Berecyntian' is a title of the Great Mother, from Mount Berecyntus. 'in signitus' in the digital text is corrected to 'insignitus'.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (word split in the digital text): in signitus → insignitus.
Cite (SBL): Arnobius, Nat. 5.13 (CSEL 4:185–186; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/arnobius-nationes/4-37/#p-5-13). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin text of Reifferscheid, CSEL 4 (1875); made independently of existing English translations and compared afterwards with ANF 6.
5.14CSEL 4:186–187
quid dicitis o gentes? quid huiusmodi deditae opinionibus nationes? nonne cum ista promuntur, arripit uos pudor et tantarum uerecundia foeditatum? nos auemus a nobis quid de diis dignum uel audire uel discere, at uero uos nobis mammarum expromitis exsectiones, amputationes uirilium ueretrorum, iras sanguinem furias, interitus uirginum uoluntarios et ex sanguine mortuorum flores atque arbores procreatas. dicite o iterum, ergone deum mater genitalia illa desecta cum fluoribus ipsa per se maerens officiosa sedulitate collegit, ipsa sanctis manibus, ipsa diuinis contrectauit ac sustulit flagitiosi operis instrumenta foedique, abscondenda etiam mandauit terrae, ac ne nuda in gremio diffluerent scilicet soli, priusquam ueste uelaret ac tegeret, lauit utique, balsamis atque unxit? unde enim uiolae nasci potuissent odorae, nisi putorem membri unguentorum illa suffectio temperaret? cum historias, quaeso, perlegitis tales, nonne uobis uidemini aut textriculas puellas audire taediosi operis circumscribentes moras aut infantibus credulis auocamenta quaeritantes anus longaeuas * et uarias fictiones sub imagine ueritatis expromere? cum Ioue locutus est Agdestis, ut amato restitueret uitam: adnuere Iuppiter recusauit, quia fatis potentioribus prohibebatur; at ne esset omnino durissimus, unam largitus est gratiam, ne putore corpus dissolueretur ullo, succrescerent comae semper, minimissimus digitorum solus ut in corpore uiueret, solus motus perpetuos exhiberet. hocine quisquam admiserit aut credulitatis adsensione firmarit, pilum in mortuo crescere, partem integram esse et seiunctum ab lege putredinis mortale corpus adhuc usque durare?
What do you say, O Gentiles? What, you nations devoted to opinions of this kind? When these things are published, are you not seized by shame and embarrassment at such great foulness? We long to hear or learn from you something worthy of the gods; but you set before us the cutting off of breasts, the amputation of male members, anger, blood, frenzies, the voluntary deaths of virgins, and flowers and trees produced from the blood of the dead. Tell us again: did the mother of the gods herself, grieving, with dutiful diligence gather those cut-off genitals with their flowing blood; did she herself, with holy hands, with divine hands, handle and take up the instruments of a shameful and foul work; did she also commit them to the earth to be hidden, and, so that they might not, naked, melt away in the bosom of the soil, before she veiled and covered them with a garment, did she of course wash them and anoint them with balsams? For from where could fragrant violets have sprung, unless that application of ointments had tempered the stench of the member? When you read such histories, I ask, do you not seem to yourselves to be hearing little weaving-girls cheating the delays of tedious work, or old women seeking distractions for credulous infants ... and setting out various fictions under the image of truth? Agdestis spoke with Jupiter that he should restore life to his beloved: Jupiter refused to consent, because he was prevented by more powerful fates; but so as not to be altogether most harsh, he granted one favor: that the body should not be dissolved by any decay, that the hair should always grow, that the smallest of the fingers alone should live in the body and alone show perpetual motion. Would anyone admit this or confirm it with the assent of belief: that hair grows on a dead man, that a part remains sound, and that a mortal body lasts until now, separated from the law of decay?
Textual problem in this passage: see the notes.
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Summary: The details of the Attis myth are shameful fables fit for old women's tales, and its ending is incredible.
- '0' in the digital text is a misreading of the interjection 'o'. A gap is marked in the edition before 'and setting out'.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (letter misread as a digit in the digital text): quid dicitis 0 gentes → quid dicitis o gentes.
Cite (SBL): Arnobius, Nat. 5.14 (CSEL 4:186–187; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/arnobius-nationes/4-37/#p-5-14). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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5.15CSEL 4:187–188
urgere uos iamdudum ad istius rei conprobationem possemus, nisi stultitiae paris esset et talia dicere et huiusmodi rerum indicia postulare. sed historia haec falsa est neque ullam continet ueritatis in se partem. nostra quidem nihil interest, quorum causa contenditis exterminatos esse ab terris deos, utrumne sit constans et fidei firmitate conixa an contra mendaciter et falsitatis alicuius fictione composita. nobis enim satis est, quibus hodie manifestare propositum est, numina ista quae promitis, si sunt uspiam gentium atque irarum feruoribus incalescunt, non magis a nobis quam a uobis accipere offensionum furialium causas, et esse illam in † rebus et a uobis in commentarios relatam et a uolentibus cotidie perlegi et futuri temporis pro instructione per ordinem succedentium tradi. quae si utique uera est, nullam uidemus subesse rationem, cur nobis irasci perhibeantur dii caelites, cum turpitudines illorum tantas neque nos prodiderimus neque in litteras contulerimus ullas neque in publicam testificationem sacrorum celebritatibus inseruerimus. sin autem, ut remini, falsa est et mendaciis interpolata fallacibus, ambigere hominum nullus potest, quin causa uos sitis offensae, qui uel talia quosdam conscribere siueritis aut conscripta durare saeculorum in memoriam sitis passi.
We could have long been pressing you to prove this matter, were it not equal folly both to say such things and to demand proofs of things of this kind. 'But this history is false and contains no part of truth in it.' It makes no difference to us whether the things for which you maintain the gods have been driven from the earth are consistent and supported by firm credibility, or on the contrary composed falsely by some fiction of falsehood. For it is enough for us, whose purpose today is to make it plain, that those deities you put forward, if they exist anywhere and grow hot with the heat of anger, receive the causes of their frenzied offense no more from us than from you; and that this history is ... and recorded by you in your commentaries, and read daily by those who wish, and handed down to successive generations for the instruction of future time. If it is true, we see no reason why the heavenly gods are said to be angry with us, since we have neither published such great disgraces of theirs, nor put them into any writings, nor inserted them in the public testimony of the celebration of rites. But if, as you think, it is false and interpolated with deceitful lies, no human being can doubt that you are the cause of offense, who either allowed some to write such things or permitted what was written to last in the memory of the ages.
Textual problem in this passage: see the notes.
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Summary: Whether the myth is true or false, it is the pagans who preserve and publish it and so offend the gods, not the Christians.
- A word is corrupt ('† rebus').
Cite (SBL): Arnobius, Nat. 5.15 (CSEL 4:187–188; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/arnobius-nationes/4-37/#p-5-15). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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5.16CSEL 4:188–189
et tamen qui potestis falsitatis arguere conscriptionem istam, cum ipsa sacra sint testimonio, quae per cursus annuos factitatis, et credi a uobis esse ueram et exploratae fidei iudicari? quid enim sibi uult illa pinus, quam semper statutis diebus in deum matris intromittitis sanctuario? nonne illius similitudo est arboris, sub qua sibi furens manus et infelix adulescentulus intulit et quam genetrix diuum in solatium sui uulneris consecrauit? quid lanarum uellera, quibus arboris conligatis et circumuoluitis stipitem? nonne illarum repetitio lanarum est, quibus Ia deficientem contexit et teporis aliquid rata est se posse membris conciliare frigentibus? quid compti uiolaceis coronis et redimiti arboris ramuli? nonne illud indicant, uti mater primigeniis floribus adornauerit pinum, miserabilis indicem testimoniumque fortunae? quid pectoribus adplodentes palmas passis cum crinibus Galli? nonne illos referunt in memoriam luctus, quibus mater turrita cum Agdesti lacrimabili puerum prosecuta est heiulatu? quid temperatus ab alimonio panis, cui rei dedistis nomen castus? nonne illius temporis imitatio est quo se numen ab Cereris fruge uiolentia maeroris abstinuit?
And yet how can you accuse that writing of falsehood, when the very rites which you perform in the yearly courses bear witness that it is believed by you to be true and judged to be of ascertained credibility? For what is the meaning of that pine which you always bring on fixed days into the sanctuary of the mother of the gods? Is it not the likeness of the tree under which the frenzied and unhappy youth laid hands on himself, and which the mother of the gods consecrated as a solace for her wound? What of the fleeces of wool with which you bind and wrap the trunk of the tree? Are they not a repetition of those wools with which Ia covered the dying youth and thought she could give some warmth to his cold limbs? What of the little branches of the tree adorned and wreathed with violet garlands? Do they not show that the mother adorned the pine with the first flowers as an indication and witness of a pitiable fortune? What of the Galli beating their breasts with their palms, with hair unbound? Do they not recall to memory the lamentations with which the tower-crowned mother, with Agdestis, followed the boy with tearful wailing? What of the abstinence from the food of bread, to which you have given the name 'chastity'? Is it not an imitation of that time in which the deity abstained from the fruit of Ceres through the violence of grief?
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Summary: The rites of the Great Mother, with the sacred pine, wool, violets, mourning Galli, and fasting, reenact the Attis myth and show that it is believed.
- The March festival of Cybele and Attis included the bringing in of the pine (arbor intrat, 22 March), mourning, and fasting from bread (castus). A stray hyphen in the digital text is removed.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (stray hyphen in the digital text): quid- compti → quid compti.
Topics: Fasting
Cite (SBL): Arnobius, Nat. 5.16 (CSEL 4:188–189; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/arnobius-nationes/4-37/#p-5-16). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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5.17CSEL 4:189
aut si ea quae dicimus non sunt ita, uos edissertate, uos dicite: euirati isti mollesque, quos interesse uobiscum in istius numinis uidemus sacris, quidnam istic habeant negotii sollicitudinis curae, et cur more lugentium caedant cum pectoribus lacertos et fortunam imitentur in lamentabili constitutorum sorte? quid coronae, quid uiolae, quid uolucra mollium uelamenta lanarum? cur ad ultimum pinus ipsa paulo ante in dumis inertissimum nutans lignum mox ut aliquod praesens atque angustissimum numen deum matris constituatur in sedibus? aut enim haec causa est, quam in uestris scriptis et commentariis inuenimus, et manifestum uos est non diuinas conficere caerimonias sed imaginem tristium redintegrare gestorum; aut si alia ratio est, quam mysterii nobis abnegauit obscuritas, et ipsa quoque necesse est turpitudinis alicuius participetur infamia. quis est enim qui credat, honestatis aliquid in ea re esse quam ineant uiles Galli, effeminati conficiant exoleti?
Or if what we say is not so, you explain, you tell us: those emasculated and effeminate men whom we see taking part with you in the rites of this deity, what business, anxiety, or care do they have there, and why, like mourners, do they beat their arms along with their breasts, and imitate the fortune of those placed in a pitiable lot? What of the garlands, the violets, the wrappings of soft wools? Why finally is the pine itself, which a little before was nodding in the thickets as a most inert piece of wood, soon set up in the seats of the mother of the gods as some present and most august deity? For either this is the cause which we find in your writings and commentaries, and it is plain that you are not performing divine ceremonies but renewing the image of sad events; or, if there is another reason which the obscurity of the mystery has denied us, it too must share in the infamy of some disgrace. For who would believe that there is anything honorable in a matter which vile Galli undertake and effeminate catamites carry out?
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Summary: The mourning rites of the Galli either reenact the shameful myth or conceal something equally disgraceful.
- 'angustissimum' is taken as 'augustissimum' ('most august'). A stray comma in the digital text is removed.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (stray comma in the digital text): imitentur in, lamentabili → imitentur in lamentabili.
Cite (SBL): Arnobius, Nat. 5.17 (CSEL 4:189; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/arnobius-nationes/4-37/#p-5-17). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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