Against Secundinus the Manichaean 1–9

Latin text: Zycha, CSEL 25.2 (Latin text: Joseph Zycha, Contra Secundinum Manichaeum (CSEL 25.2, 1892), digitized by Open Greek and Latin (csel-dev, University of Leipzig), CC BY-SA 4.0).English: Claude (claude-opus-5-5), public domain (CC0).

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Chapter 1

1CSEL 25.2:905–906

Tua in me beneuolentia, quae adparet litteris tuis, grata mihi est. sed quam te redamari a me oportet amantem me, tam tristis sum, quod tenaciter inhaesisti suspicionibus falsis partim aduersus me, partim aduersus ipsam, quae mutari non potest, ueritatem. sed quod de animo meo non uerum sentis, facile contemno; hoc enim sentis, quod etsi in me non agnosco, fieri tamen potest, ut sit in homine. ergo etiamsi erras in me, non tamen ita erras, ut me de hominum numero eximat tua opinio, quia id de me credis, quod fieri potest in animo humano, etiamsi non sit factum in animo meo. non igitur opus est, ut tibi hanc suspicionem magnopere coner auferre. non enim spes tua pendet ex me aut bonus esse non poteris, nisi ego fuero. senti de Augustino quicquid libet, sola me in oculis dei conscientia non accuset. quod enim ait apostolus, mihi minimum est, ut a uobis iudicer aut ab humano die. ego autem uicem tibi non rependam, ut de tua mente aliquid existimare in malam partem audeam, quod intueri non ualeo. nec dico, quod me subdole lacerare uolueris, sed tantum de te opinor, quantum de te indicas uerbis. quamobrem etsi non bona de me suspicatus sis, quod carnali timore alicuius incommoditatis, quae de uestra societate mihi accidere poterat, haeresim Manichaeorum reliquerim, uel cupiditate honoris, quem in catholica adeptus sum, tamen non de te uicissim male sentiens credo esse beneuolam suspicionem tuam et hoc non criminandi causa, sed corrigendi studio scripsisse te existimo. si autem mihi adcommodares credendi beneuolentiam, quoniam latebras animi mei arguis, quas utique promere ad oculos tuos et demonstrare non possum, facile de ipso mutares sententiam et nolles amplius temere adfirmare, quod nescis.

Your goodwill toward me, which appears in your letter, is welcome to me. But as much as I ought to love you in return, since you love me, so much am I saddened that you have clung tenaciously to false suspicions, partly against me, partly against the truth itself, which cannot be changed. What you think untruly about my mind I easily disregard; for what you think, even if I do not recognize it in myself, can still happen in a human being. So even if you are mistaken about me, you are not mistaken in such a way that your opinion removes me from the number of human beings, since you believe of me what can happen in a human mind, even if it has not happened in mine. So there is no need for me to try hard to take this suspicion away from you. For your hope does not hang on me, nor will you be unable to be good unless I am. Think of Augustine whatever you like, provided only that my conscience does not accuse me in the eyes of God. For, as the apostle says, “to me it is a very small thing to be judged by you or by any human day.” But I will not repay you in kind by daring to think anything ill of your mind, which I cannot see. Nor do I say that you wished to wound me craftily; I think of you only as much as you show of yourself in your words. Therefore, although you have suspected things of me that are not good, namely that I left the heresy of the Manichaeans from a fleshly fear of some harm that might befall me from your fellowship, or from desire for the honor I have obtained in the catholic Church, nonetheless, not thinking ill of you in return, I believe your suspicion is well-meant, and I think you wrote this not in order to accuse but out of zeal to correct. But if you granted me the goodwill of believing me, since you are charging the hidden places of my mind, which I certainly cannot bring out before your eyes and show, you would easily change your view about it and would no longer wish to assert rashly what you do not know.

1 Cor 4:3 (quotation, high confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: Augustine thanks Secundinus for his goodwill but rejects his suspicion that Augustine left the Manichaeans out of fear or ambition, leaving his own conscience to God.

  • Secundinus was a Manichaean “hearer” at Rome who had written to Augustine; his letter survives with Augustine's reply. His suspicions are known from Augustine's report here.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (stray period): credendi. beneuolentiam → credendi beneuolentiam; non possum,. → non possum,.

Topics: Heresy

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Sec. 1 (CSEL 25.2:905–906; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-contra-secundinum/1/#p-1). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Chapter 2

2CSEL 25.2:906–908

Ego enim fateor, timore Manichaeos deserui, sed timore illorum uerborum, quae per apostolum Paulum prolata sunt: spiritus, inquit, manifeste dicit, quia in nouissimis temporibus recedent quidam a fide, adtendentes spiritibus seductoribus et doctrinis daemoniorum in hypocrisi mendaciloquorum, cauteriatam habentes conscientiam suam, prohibentes nubere, abstinentes a cibis, quos deus creauit ad percipiendum cum gratiarum actione fidelibus et his, qui cognouerunt ueritatem. omnis enim creatura dei bona est, et nihil. abiciendum, quod cum gratiarum actione percipitur. quibus uerbis etsi alios quoque fortasse haereticos, tamen maxime Manichaeos breuiter aperteque descripsit, hoc ergo timore, cum in puerili ingenio serius saperem, me ab illa societate diuulsi; amore quoque honoris arsisse me fateor, ut inde discederem, sed illius honoris, de quo idem dicit apostolus: gloria autem et honor et pax omni operanti bonum. quis autem operari bonum conabitur, qui non in uoluntate mutabili, sed in natura incommutabili malum esse putauerit? unde et ipse dominus eis, qui bona se loqui arbitrabantur, cum essent mali, aut facite, inquit, arborem bonam et fructum eius bonum aut facite arborem malam et fructum eius malum. malis uero iam mutatis in bonum apostolus ait: fuistis enim aliquando tenebrae, nunc autem lux in domino. sed, si non uis mihi de animo meo credere, existima ut libet; tantum de ipsa ueritate caue quid sentias. temptatio te non adprehendat nisi humana. humanus enim error est, ut id factum esse in animo meo credas, quod fieri potuit. etiam si non est factum; cum uero sacrilegam et non solum falsissimam, sed etiam fallacissimam fabellam Persicam non de quolibet homine, sed de summo deo mendaciis contaminatissimis contextam atque confictam putas esse ueritatem, non est hoc modo praetereundum neque tanta mors animae contemnenda. est enim, quod tecum agi possit, quia non sicut de animo meo nihil amplius possum dicere, nisi ut credas mihi; quod si nolueris, non inuenio, quod faciam. ita etiam cum de ipsa luce animorum, quam rationales mentes quanto puriores, tanto tranquillius intuentur, falsum aliquid existimas, non tibi potest, si patienter audias, demonstrari, quam sit remotissimum a ueritate, quod sentis. sicut enim sensum oculi tui sentire non possum nec tu mei, sed tantummodo nobis de hac re credere uel non credere possumus, illam uero speciem, quae utriusque nostrum oculis uisibilis subiacet, inuicem nobis ualemus ostendere: sic de adfectionibus animorum nostrorum. quas proprias habemus, credamus nobis, si placet; si autem non placet, non credamus. rationem autem ueritatis, quae nec mea nec tua est, sed utrique nostrum ad contemplandum proposita, posita peruicaciae caligine serenatis mentibus pariter adtendamus.

For I admit that I left the Manichaeans out of fear, but out of fear of those words spoken through the apostle Paul: “The Spirit,” he says, “says plainly that in the last times some will depart from the faith, paying heed to seducing spirits and teachings of demons, in the hypocrisy of liars, having their conscience seared, forbidding marriage, abstaining from foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving by believers and by those who have known the truth. For every creature of God is good, and nothing is to be rejected that is received with thanksgiving.” Although with these words he may perhaps have described other heretics too, still he described the Manichaeans above all, briefly and plainly. Out of this fear, then, when, after the mind of boyhood, I came late to wisdom, I tore myself away from that fellowship. I also admit that I burned with love of honor so as to depart from there, but of that honor of which the same apostle says: “But glory and honor and peace to everyone who does good.” And who will try to do good who thinks that evil lies not in a changeable will but in an unchangeable nature? Hence the Lord himself said to those who thought they spoke good things while they were evil: “Either make the tree good and its fruit good, or make the tree bad and its fruit bad.” And to the evil now changed into good the apostle says: “For you were once darkness, but now light in the Lord.” But if you will not believe me about my mind, think as you like; only take care what you think about the truth itself. “Let no temptation take hold of you but what is human.” For it is a human error to believe that what could have happened in my mind has happened, even if it has not happened; but when you think that a sacrilegious Persian fable, not only utterly false but utterly deceitful, woven and made up with most defiled lies not about just any human being but about the highest God, is the truth, this must not be passed over in this way, nor such a death of the soul disregarded. For there is something that can be done with you, since it is not as with my mind, about which I can say nothing more than that you should believe me, and if you will not, I find nothing to do. So too, when you think something false about that very light of minds which rational minds behold the more calmly the purer they are, it can be shown to you, if you listen patiently, how very far from the truth is what you think. For just as I cannot perceive the sensation of your eye, nor you that of mine, but we can only believe or not believe each other about this, while we can show each other the appearance that lies visible before the eyes of us both: so about the affections of our minds, which we have as our own, let us believe each other if we please, and if we do not please, let us not; but the reasoning of truth, which is neither mine nor yours but set before both of us to contemplate, let us attend to together, with the fog of obstinacy laid aside and our minds made clear.

1 Tim 4:1–4 (quotation, high confidence) · Rom 2:10 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 12:33 (quotation, high confidence) · Eph 5:8 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Cor 10:13 (quotation, high confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: Augustine says he left the Manichaeans for fear of Paul's warning against those who forbid marriage and foods, and for the honor promised to those who do good, and invites Secundinus to examine the truth together.

  • Augustine applies 1 Tim 4:1–4 chiefly to the Manichaeans, whose elect abstained from marriage and from meat.
  • “Persian fable” refers to Mani's teaching, Mani being from Persia; the phrase is Augustine's polemic.
  • “Let no temptation take hold of you but what is human” adapts 1 Cor 10:13.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR slip; hyphenation debris; stray hyphen): frustum → fructum; ita -etiam → ita etiam; tantum-. modo → tantummodo.

Topics: Heresy

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Sec. 2 (CSEL 25.2:906–908; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-contra-secundinum/1/#p-2). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Chapter 3

3CSEL 25.2:908–910

Nec alia documenta tibi proferam. quibus Manichaei error adparet, quam ex epistula tua. scribis habere te et agere gratias ineffabili ac sacratissimae maiestati eiusque primogenito, omnium luminum regi, Iesu Christo. dic mihi quorum luminum sit rex Iesus Christus? eorumne, quae fecit, an eorum. quae genuit? nos enim dicimus deum patrem genuisse filium aequalem sibi, creasse autem per eum, hoc est condidisse ac fecisse creaturam inferiorem, quae utique non est, quod est ille, qui fecit et per quem fecit. itaque quoniam per eum fecit saecula, recte ab apostolo dictus est rex saeculorum, tamquam superior inferiorum et regendi potens, regens ea, quae regimine indigeant. tu autem cum Iesum Christum regem luminum appellas. si genuit ea, cur non sunt aequalia generanti? si autem dicis. aequalia, quomodo rex eorum est, cum regem necesse sit regere nec ullo pacto fieri possit. ut sint ea, quae reguntur, ei, a quo reguntur, aequalia? quodsi non genuit, sed fecit haec lumina, quaero unde fecerit. si de se ipso propagauit, cur ergo inferiora sunt? cur degenerauerunt? si autem non de se ipso. dic unde? an forte nec fecit nec genuit lumina quibus regnat? habent ergo originem propriam atque naturam, sed profecto inualidiorem, ut a potentiore uicino uel patiantur se regi uel cupiant. nonne cognoscis, si ita est, excepta gente tenebrarum iam duas esse naturas, alteram alterius egere auxilio. sed neutram ex alterius pendere principio? hanc profecto opinionem tu repudiabis, quoniam Manichaeo maxime aduersa est, qui non duas naturas, regem luminum et lumina, quae reguntur, sed duas naturas. regnum luminum et regnum tenebrarum, persuadere conatur. refugies igitur ad id, ut genita dicas haec lumina. ubi cum quaesiero, cur infirmiora sint. contendere fortasse temptabis aequalia. sed cum retulero: quae causa est, ut regantur? negabis regi. hinc respondebo: cur habent regem? ubi non uideo, quid restet ingenuitati tuae, nisi ut te paeniteat tale ostium posuisse in epistula tua, per quod tu ipse exire non possis. sed etiam cum te paenituerit et dixeris non ideo Manichaeum uictum putari oportere, quod tu aliquid in litteris tuis incautius posuisti. innumerabilibus locis de libris Manichaei recitabo regnum lucis ab eo uocari. quod regno tenebrarum naturaliter constituit esse contrarium, nec regnum, sed regna, quandoquidem in ipsa epistula ruinosi Fundamenti cum de deo patre loqueretur. nullo, inquit, in regnis eius aut indigente aut infimo constituto. ubi autem regna sunt, quis tam caecus est, qui non intellegat aequales reges his, quibus regnant, omnino esse non posse? quid igitur tam uicinum, si uelis aduertere, et tam conueniens honestati pectoris tui, quam ut te non paeniteat illud in epistula posuisse? est enim uerissime Iesus Christus rex luminum nullo modo sibi aequalium, sed subiectorum, et eorum rector beatorum. paeniteat autem te potius fuisse Manichaeum, cuius omnes deceptorias machinationes ueridica frons epistulae tuae uno ictu arietante subuertit. quia enim Christus luminum rex est nec de se ipso genuit inferiora, quibus rex esset, nec ea uicina sibi, quibus regnaret, adsumpsit, quae nec genuerit ipse nec fecerit, ne sint duo genera boni, quorum neutrum sit ex altero, sed nec unum indigens altero, quod a tramite ueritatis alienum est: restat, ut ea lumina, quibus regnat, quae utique bona sunt, quia inferiora sunt, non genuerit, quia propria sunt, non usurpauerit, sed fecerit et condiderit deus.

I will bring forward no other proofs by which Mani's error appears than from your letter. You write that you give thanks to the ineffable and most sacred Majesty and to his Firstborn, the King of all lights, Jesus Christ. Tell me, of what lights is Jesus Christ king? Of those he made, or of those he begot? For we say that God the Father begot the Son equal to himself, but created through him, that is, founded and made, a lower creation, which is certainly not what he is who made it and through whom he made it. And so, since he made the ages through him, he was rightly called by the apostle King of the ages, as higher than the lower and powerful to rule, ruling the things that need rule. But when you call Jesus Christ King of lights: if he begot them, why are they not equal to the one begetting? And if you say they are equal, how is he their king, since a king must rule, and it can in no way happen that the things ruled are equal to the one by whom they are ruled? But if he did not beget these lights but made them, I ask from what he made them. If he propagated them from himself, why then are they lower? Why have they degenerated? But if not from himself, tell me from what? Or perhaps he neither made nor begot the lights over which he reigns? Then they have their own origin and nature, but certainly a weaker one, so that they either allow themselves or desire to be ruled by a more powerful neighbor. If that is so, do you not recognize that, apart from the race of darkness, there are now two natures, one needing the help of the other, but neither depending on the other's principle? This opinion you will surely reject, since it is utterly opposed to Mani, who tries to persuade people not of two natures, the King of lights and the lights that are ruled, but of two natures, the kingdom of light and the kingdom of darkness. You will take refuge, then, in saying that these lights were begotten. When I ask there why they are weaker, you will perhaps try to maintain that they are equal. But when I reply, “What is the reason they are ruled?” you will deny that they are ruled. To this I will answer: “Why do they have a king?” Here I do not see what remains for your candor except to regret having put such a door in your letter, through which you yourself cannot get out. But even when you have regretted it and said that Mani ought not to be thought defeated because you put something rather incautiously in your letter, I will read out countless passages from Mani's books where he calls it the kingdom of light, which he established as naturally contrary to the kingdom of darkness; and not kingdom, but kingdoms, since in that very letter of the ruinous Foundation, when he was speaking of God the Father, he says: “no one in his kingdoms being needy or lowest.” But where there are kingdoms, who is so blind as not to understand that kings can in no way be equal to those over whom they reign? What, then, is so close at hand, if you would notice it, and so fitting to the honesty of your heart, as not to regret having put that in your letter? For Jesus Christ is most truly the King of lights that are in no way equal to him but subject to him, and the ruler of those blessed ones. But rather regret that you were a Manichaean, all of whose deceiving devices the truthful front of your letter overturns with a single battering blow. For since Christ is King of lights, and did not beget from himself lower beings to be king over, nor take to himself neighbors to reign over which he neither begot nor made (lest there be two kinds of good, neither of which is from the other, nor one needing the other, which is foreign to the path of truth), it remains that God did not beget the lights over which he reigns, which are certainly good, because they are lower, nor usurp them, because they are their own, but made and founded them.

Heb 1:2 (allusion, high confidence) · 1 Tim 1:17 (allusion, high confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: Augustine takes Secundinus's phrase “Jesus Christ, King of all lights” and argues that a king rules lower beings, so the lights must have been created, not begotten from God or existing independently, contrary to Mani's two kingdoms.

  • Secundinus's phrase “the ineffable and most sacred Majesty and his Firstborn, the King of all lights, Jesus Christ” is quoted from his letter.
  • The quotation from Mani's Fundamental Epistle (“no one in his kingdoms being needy or lowest”) is also given in Augustine's Against the Fundamental Epistle 13; “ruinous Foundation” is a pun on the letter's title.
  • “Made the ages through him” is Heb 1:2; “King of the ages” is 1 Tim 1:17.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR l for I; OCR misreading of Iesum; OCR slip; word split in the digital text): lesu Christo → Iesu Christo; legum Christum → Iesum Christum; monne → nonne; in digente → indigente.

Extrabiblical texts: Augustine, Ep. fund. 13 (Against the Epistle of Manichaeus Called Fundamental; echo)

Topics: Christology, Heresy

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Sec. 3 (CSEL 25.2:908–910; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-contra-secundinum/1/#p-3). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Chapter 4

4CSEL 25.2:910–911

Si uolueris quaerere, unde fecerit, et imaginari coeperis adiutoria materiae, quam ipse non fecit, ut ibi non uideatur omnipotens facere, quod uellet, nisi eum aliqua res, quam non fecerat, adiuuaret, rursus inexplicabiles caligines erroris patieris. sed dicta prophetica sobrio ictu intellegentiae sublimi atque ineffabili maiestati aptissime adiungente ipse dixit, et facta sunt; ipse mandauit, et creata sunt, ita uidebis, quomodo dicatur in catholica fide, quod deus de nihilo fecerit omnia bona ualde. si enim de aliquo fecit, utique aut de se ipso aut non de se ipso; sed si de se ipso, non ergo fecit, sed genuit. cur igitur inferiora genuit? nam eorum nisi inferiora essent, rex esse non posset si non de se ipso, non utique de aliquo, quod ipse non fecit; alioquin de alieno fecit, et erat iam bonum, quod ipse non fecerat, unde sibi regnum statueret. quod si ita est, incipit non esse bonorum operum creator, quia erat bonum, quod ipse non creauerat; non enim de malo alieno lumina, quibus regnaret, efficeret. relinquitur itaque, ut etiam si de re aliqua fecit, de illa fecerit, quam ipse iam fecerat.

If you wish to ask from what he made them, and begin to imagine the help of a matter which he himself did not make, so that the Almighty would not seem able to make what he wished unless something he had not made helped him, you will again suffer inextricable fogs of error. But if the prophetic sayings are joined, by a sober stroke of understanding, most fittingly to the sublime and ineffable Majesty, “He spoke, and they were made; he commanded, and they were created,” you will thus see in what sense it is said in the catholic faith that God made all things very good out of nothing. For if he made them from something, then certainly either from himself or not from himself. But if from himself, then he did not make but begot. Why, then, did he beget lower beings? For unless they were lower he could not be their king. If not from himself, then certainly not from something which he himself did not make; otherwise he made them from something foreign, and there was already a good which he himself had not made, out of which he might establish a kingdom for himself. If that is so, he begins not to be the creator of good works, since there was a good which he had not created; for he would not produce the lights over which he would reign from a foreign evil. It remains, therefore, that even if he made them from some thing, he made them from that which he himself had already made.

Ps 33:9 (32:9 LXX) (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 148:5 (quotation, high confidence) · Gen 1:31 (allusion, high confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: Augustine argues that the lights over which Christ reigns were made neither from God's own substance nor from pre-existing matter, but ultimately from nothing, by God's word.

  • The prophetic saying is Ps 33:9 / 148:5 (Ps 32:9 / 148:5 LXX); “very good” is Gen 1:31.
  • “By a sober stroke of understanding” translates “sobrio ictu intellegentiae” as printed.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (stray period): utique aut. de se → utique aut de se.

Topics: Heresy

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Sec. 4 (CSEL 25.2:910–911; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-contra-secundinum/1/#p-4). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Chapter 5

5CSEL 25.2:911–913

Ita fit, ut primas origines condendarum rerum de nihilo deum fecisse fateamur, nisi quia forte ineffabilis ac sacratissimae maiestatis primogenitum Iesum christum esse dixisti, non secundum susceptionem hominis, in qua per adoptionem uocatos, sicut apostolus dicit, et sicut catholica credit fides, fratres habere dignatus est quibus esset primogenitus, sed potius secundum ipsam diuinitatis excellentiam uis eum primogenitum intellegi, ut illa lumina, in quibus regnat, fratres eius sint, non facti a patre per ipsum, sed geniti a patre post ipsum, ut sint ipsi postgeniti, ille primogenitus, omnes tamen de propria patris eademque substantia. quod si ita credis, primum contradicis euangelio, ubi etiam unigenitus dictus est — et uidimus, inquit, gloriam eius tamquam unigeniti a patre — quando nullo modo uerum diceretur, si sempiterna quoque uirtus eius ac diuinitas, qua consubstantialis est patri et est ante omnem creaturam, ex eadem substantia fratres haberet. itaque cum et unigenitum et primogenitum eum diuina testentur eloquia — unigenitum, quia sine fratribus. primogenitum, quia cum fratribus — non inuenies, quomodo utrumque de illo secundum eandem naturam diuinitatis intellegas. fides uero catholica, quae inter creatorem creaturamque distinguit, nullam patitur in his duobus nominibus intellegendi difficultatem, unigenitum eum accipiens secundum id, quod scriptum est: in principio erat uerbum et uerbum erat apud deum et deus erat uerbum, primogenitum autem uniuersae creaturae secundum id, quod apostolus ait: ut sit ipse primogenitus in multis fratribus, quos ei pater ad fraternam societatem non aequalitate substantiae, sed adoptione gratiae generauit. lege itaque scripturas, nusquam inuenies de Christo dictum, quod adoptione sit filius dei. de nobis autem saepissime legitur: accepistis spiritum adoptionis filiorum, adoptionem expectantes redemptionem corporis nostri; ut adoptionem filiorum recipiamus; praedestinauit nos in adoptionem filiorum; gens sancta, populus in adoptionem; uocauit uos per euangelium nostrum in adoptionem gloriae domini nostri Iesu Christi et si qua talia recordanti uel legenti occurrerint. aliud est enim per patris excellentiam esse unicum filium dei, aliud per misericordem gratiam accipere potestatem filios dei fieri credentes in eum. dedit eis, inquit, potestatem filios dei fieri. non ergo erant natura, cum potestatem ut fierent acceperunt credendo in ipsum, cui unico non pepercit, sed pro nobis omnibus tradidit eum, ut apud se unigenitum, ad nos primogenitum faceret. ex illo igitur, quod unigenitus est, non ex carne, non ex sanguine, non ex uoluntate uiri neque ex uoluntate carnis, sed ex deo natus est; ex illo autem, quod primogenitus in ecclesia fratribus factus est, uerbum caro factum est et habitauit in nobis. nos quoque, in quantum naturaliter filii irae fuimus, hoc est uindictae filii uinculo mortalitatis obstricti, quamuis illo creante atque instituente, qui procul dubio a summis usque ad ima omnia in mensura et numero et pondere disponit et format. tamen ex carne et sanguine et ex uoluntate carnis nati sumus; in quantum autem accepimus potestatem filii dei fieri, nec nos ex carne et sanguine aut ex uoluntate uiri aut ex uoluntate carnis, sed ex deo, non quidem coaequante natura, sed adoptante gratia nascimur.

So it follows that we must admit that God made the first origins of the things to be founded out of nothing; unless perhaps, since you said that Jesus Christ is the Firstborn of the ineffable and most sacred Majesty, not according to his taking on of a human being, in which he deigned to have brothers called by adoption, as the apostle says and as the catholic faith believes, to whom he would be firstborn, but rather according to the very excellence of his divinity you want him understood as firstborn, so that those lights in which he reigns are his brothers, not made by the Father through him but begotten by the Father after him, so that they are later-born and he firstborn, yet all of the Father's own and same substance. If you believe this, you first contradict the gospel, where he is also called only-begotten (“and we saw,” it says, “his glory, as of the only-begotten of the Father”), which would in no way be said truly if his eternal power and divinity too, by which he is consubstantial with the Father and is before all creation, had brothers of the same substance. And so, since the divine words testify that he is both only-begotten and firstborn (only-begotten, because without brothers; firstborn, because with brothers), you will not find how to understand both of him according to the same nature of divinity. But the catholic faith, which distinguishes between creator and creature, suffers no difficulty of understanding in these two names, taking him as only-begotten according to what is written, “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God,” and as firstborn of all creation according to what the apostle says, “that he might be the firstborn among many brothers,” whom the Father begot for him into brotherly fellowship not by equality of substance but by adoption of grace. So read the Scriptures: nowhere will you find it said of Christ that he is Son of God by adoption. But of us it is read very often: “You have received the Spirit of adoption as sons”; “awaiting the adoption, the redemption of our body”; “that we might receive the adoption as sons”; “he predestined us to adoption as sons”; “a holy nation, a people for adoption”; “he called you through our gospel to the adoption of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ”; and whatever such texts occur to one who remembers or reads. For it is one thing to be the only Son of God through the Father's excellence, another to receive through merciful grace the power to become sons of God by believing in him. “He gave them,” it says, “power to become sons of God.” So they were not so by nature, since they received the power to become so by believing in him whom, the only one, he did not spare but handed over for us all, so as to make him only-begotten with himself and firstborn toward us. By the fact, then, that he is only-begotten, he was born not of flesh, not of blood, not of the will of a man nor of the will of the flesh, but of God; but by the fact that he was made firstborn among brothers in the Church, the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us. We too, insofar as we were by nature children of wrath, that is, children of punishment bound by the chain of mortality, although by his creating and establishing, who without doubt disposes and forms all things from the highest to the lowest in measure and number and weight, were nonetheless born of flesh and blood and of the will of the flesh; but insofar as we have received power to become sons of God, we too are born not of flesh and blood nor of the will of a man nor of the will of the flesh, but of God, not by a nature that makes us equal, but by a grace that adopts us.

Rom 8:29 (quotation, high confidence) · John 1:14 (quotation, high confidence) · John 1:1 (quotation, high confidence) · Col 1:15 (quotation, high confidence) · Rom 8:15 (quotation, high confidence) · Rom 8:23 (quotation, high confidence) · Gal 4:5 (quotation, high confidence) · Eph 1:5 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Pet 2:9 (quotation, medium confidence) · 2 Thess 2:14 (quotation, medium confidence) · John 1:12–13 (quotation, high confidence) · Rom 8:32 (allusion, high confidence) · Eph 2:3 (allusion, high confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: Augustine distinguishes Christ as only-begotten Son by nature from Christ as firstborn among brothers who are sons of God by adoption, against a Manichaean reading of “firstborn” as eldest of consubstantial lights.

  • Augustine's Trinitarian terms (consubstantial, substance) are rendered literally.
  • “A holy nation, a people for adoption” is an Old Latin form of 1 Pet 2:9 (“a people for possession”); “to the adoption of the glory” is an Old Latin form of 2 Thess 2:14.
  • “In measure and number and weight” is Wis 11:20.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR slip; words joined in the digital text): Ita tit → Ita fit; exsanguine → ex sanguine.

Extrabiblical texts: Wis 11:20 (Wisdom of Solomon [in RC, EO, ETH canons]; allusion)

Topics: Christology, Trinity, Heresy

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Sec. 5 (CSEL 25.2:911–913; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-contra-secundinum/1/#p-5). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Chapter 6

6CSEL 25.2:913–914

Deinde si iam concederem non esse unicum patri Christum Iesum secundum eiusdem substantiae diuinitatem, sed habere fratres post se natos, quibus esset primogenitus, quomodo rex eorum esse potest? quaeso te, an auderes dicere eo fortiorem natum esse, quo priorem? puderet certe ita sentire. non autem ita sentis. quid igitur sentis? leni animum tuum et placabilem te redde considerandae sine pertinacia ueritati. hoc enim etiam abs te requiram, quomodo intellegas primogenitum Iesum Christum in illa diuina atque optima aeternaque substantia: utrum tempore primus est genitus, ut posteriore tempore natos in illo regno intellegamus, quibus est primogenitus — neque possimus dicere, quot horis uel diebus mensibusque aut annis maior sit, qui ortus est prior, sed tamen aliquo interuallo atque spatio temporali has generationes discretas esse cogitemus — an uero non tempore, sed ipsa excellentia sublimioris utique maiestatis, qua etiam rex esse fratribus luminibus meruit, primogenitum accipiamus tamquam in aliquo genitum principatu. si responderis eum tempore fratribus priorem esse atque maiorem, ut iam ex hoc ei regnum in fratres delatum esse contendas, quod eos nascendo praecesserit et aliquando ipse fuerit, cum illi nondum essent, quid dicis, frater? itane praecipitabis cor tuum in hoc inpietatis abruptum, ut existimes in illam diuinam summamque naturam mutabilitatem temporis cadere et credas ibi aliquid existere, quod ante non fuerit? an quia oportebat inde aduersus tenebrarum gentem lumina progredi, progressiones ipsas generationes uocas, quas temporaliter factas putas, ut temporaliter pugnaretur? non ergo poterat unum lumen sufficere, quod totum illud bellicum negotium diuina uirtute perageret. aut si multis opus erat, hocne in spiritalibus sentiendum est, ut angustum arbitremur aditum fuisse, qua simul exire non possent, ut ex eo, quod unus e fratribus prior exisset, et primogenitus dici et rex fieri ceteris mereretur? nolo minutatim singula persequi, ne ingenio tuo ualenti ex paucis cuncta conspicere nimis onerosus sim. erige igitur aciem mentis, nebulas contentionis absterge, uidebis profecto neque secundum locos neque secundum tempora, motus, progressus, exortus, occasus ullasue conuersiones fieri posse nisi in creatura mutabili: quae tamen nisi esset ex artifice et conditore deo, non dixisset apostolus: et coluerunt et seruierunt. creaturae potius quam creatori, qui est benedictus in saecula.

Next, even if I were now to grant that Christ Jesus is not the only Son of the Father according to a divinity of the same substance, but has brothers born after him, to whom he would be firstborn, how can he be their king? I ask you, would you dare to say that he was born stronger because born earlier? You would certainly be ashamed to think so. But you do not think so. What then do you think? Make your mind gentle and yourself open to considering the truth without obstinacy. For I will ask this of you too: how do you understand Jesus Christ as firstborn in that divine, best, and eternal substance? Was he begotten first in time, so that we are to understand those to whom he is firstborn as born at a later time in that kingdom (and though we could not say by how many hours or days, months or years, the one who arose first is older, we should still think these generations separated by some interval and span of time); or are we to take him as firstborn not in time but in the very excellence of a certainly more sublime majesty, by which he also earned to be king to his brother lights, as if begotten into some sovereignty? If you answer that he is earlier and older than his brothers in time, so as to maintain that kingship over his brothers was conferred on him because he preceded them in being born, and at some time existed when they did not yet exist, what are you saying, brother? Will you hurl your heart over this cliff of impiety, so as to think that the changeableness of time befalls that divine and highest nature, and to believe that something exists there which did not exist before? Or, because the lights had to go forth from there against the race of darkness, do you call those goings-forth themselves “generations,” which you think took place in time, so that the fighting might take place in time? Could not one light, then, have sufficed to carry out that whole business of war by divine power? Or if many were needed, are we to think this of spiritual beings, that the entrance was so narrow that they could not go out at the same time, so that because one of the brothers went out first, he earned both to be called firstborn and to be made king over the rest? I will not pursue each point in detail, lest I be too burdensome to your able mind, which sees everything from a few things. So raise the keen gaze of your mind, wipe away the clouds of contention, and you will surely see that no movements according to places or times, no goings-forth, risings, settings, or any changes can take place except in a changeable creature; and yet unless that creature were from God, its craftsman and founder, the apostle would not have said: “And they worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever.”

Rom 1:25 (quotation, high confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: Augustine presses Secundinus on how Christ could be “firstborn” among divine lights: priority in time would make the divine nature changeable, and change belongs only to creatures made by God.

  • Augustine refers to the Manichaean myth in which powers of light went forth from the kingdom of light to fight the race of darkness.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR misreading of a question mark; OCR slip): quid igitur sentis P leni → quid igitur sentis? leni; cani illi → cum illi.

Topics: Christology, Heresy

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Sec. 6 (CSEL 25.2:913–914; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-contra-secundinum/1/#p-6). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Chapter 7

7CSEL 25.2:914–916

In hac enim sententia maxime duo sunt necessaria, quae mecum intuearis peto: unum, quia, si creatura aliena esset a deo, non eius creator deus ab apostolo diceretur; alterum, quia, si unius eiusdemque substantiae creator et creatura esset, non reprehenderentur, quia seruierunt creaturae potius quam creatori, quoniam cuicumque seruissent, ab eadem natura atque substantia non recessissent. quomodo enim nemo potest seruire filio, qui non seruiat et patri, quia utriusque est una substantia: sic nemo potest seruire creaturae nisi seruiens creatori, si esset utriusque una substantia. unde si iam discernis et sapis, plurimum intenderes esse inter creatorem et creaturam. atque oportet intellegas prolem creatoris non esse creaturam; nam si esset, non esset inferior, sed aequalis eiusdemque substantiae, ac per hoc quisquis coleret eique seruiret, simul etiam creatori eius et patri cultum seruitutemque praeberet. cum uero reprehenduntur ab apostolo et detestabiles habentur, qui coluerunt et seruierunt creaturae potius quam creatori, satis ostenditur illius et huius diuersas esse substantias. sicut enim non potest uideri, hoc est intellegi filius, nisi in ipso intellegatur et pater — ipse enim dicit: qui me uidit, uidit et patrem — sic non potest coli filius nisi in eo colatur et pater. et ideo si creatura filius esset, non coleretur sine creatore neque damnarentur, qui creaturam potius quam creatorem coluerunt. perspicis itaque iam, ut arbitror, non tibi congruere, ut dicas primogenitum secretissimae atque ineffabilis maiestatis et omnium luminum regem Iesum Christum, nisi Manichaeus esse destiteris, ut creaturam a creatore discernas, ut Iesus Christus et unigenitus sit secundum id, quod uerbum dei est, deus apud deum pariter incommutabilis et pariter aeternus, non rapinam arbitrans esse aequalis deo, et primogenitus omnis creaturae secundum id, quod in ipso condita sunt omnia in caelis et in terra, uisibilia et inuisibilia. agnoscis enim, ut opinor. uerba apostoli ad Colossenses.

In this saying, then, there are two things above all that are necessary, which I ask you to look at with me: first, that if the creature were foreign to God, God would not be called its creator by the apostle; second, that if creator and creature were of one and the same substance, those who served the creature rather than the Creator would not be rebuked, since whichever they served, they would not have departed from the same nature and substance. For just as no one can serve the Son who does not also serve the Father, because the substance of both is one, so no one could serve the creature without serving the Creator, if the substance of both were one. Hence, if you now discern and understand, you would see that there is a very great difference between creator and creature. And you must understand that the offspring of the Creator is not a creature; for if it were, it would not be lower but equal and of the same substance, and so whoever worshiped and served it would at the same time offer worship and service to its creator and father as well. But since those who worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator are rebuked by the apostle and held detestable, it is shown well enough that the substances of the one and the other are different. For just as the Son cannot be seen, that is, understood, unless the Father is understood in him (for he himself says, “Whoever has seen me has seen the Father”), so the Son cannot be worshiped unless the Father is worshiped in him. And so, if the Son were a creature, he would not be worshiped without the Creator, nor would those be condemned who worshiped the creature rather than the Creator. So you now see, I think, that it does not suit you to call Jesus Christ the Firstborn of the most hidden and ineffable Majesty and King of all lights unless you cease to be a Manichaean, so as to distinguish the creature from the Creator; so that Jesus Christ is both only-begotten, according to his being the Word of God, God with God, equally unchangeable and equally eternal, not thinking it robbery to be equal to God, and firstborn of all creation, according to the fact that in him all things were founded in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible. For you recognize, I suppose, the words of the apostle to the Colossians.

Textual problem in this passage: see the notes.

Rom 1:25 (allusion, high confidence) · John 14:9 (quotation, high confidence) · John 1:1 (allusion, high confidence) · Phil 2:6 (quotation, high confidence) · Col 1:15–16 (quotation, high confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: From Romans 1:25 Augustine argues that Creator and creature are of different substances, while the Son, being of one substance with the Father, is not a creature, and explains “only-begotten” and “firstborn” accordingly.

  • “Very great difference”: the transmitted “plurimum intenderes esse” is corrupt; translated by sense (“you would see that there is …”).

Topics: Christology, Trinity, Heresy

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Sec. 7 (CSEL 25.2:914–916; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-contra-secundinum/1/#p-7). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Chapter 8

8CSEL 25.2:916–917

Quapropter cum abs te quaero, unde facta sit uniuersa creatura quamuis in suo genere bona, creatore tamen inferior atque illo incommutabili permanente ipsa mutabilis, non inuenies quid respondeas, nisi de nihilo factam esse fatearis. et ideo potest uergere ad nihilum, quando peccat illa creatura, et portio, quae potest peccare, non ut nihil sit, sed ut minus uigeat minusque firma sit. nam minus uigere et minus ualere, si animo perducas ad ultimum, remanet nihil. diligit ergo sponte uanitatem, cum deserta soliditate ueritatis opinabilia sequitur, id est mutabilia. cum autem inde meritas poenas luit, subicitur non sponte uanitati, sicut subiecta est in homine peccante. hinc enim ait apostolus: omnis creatura uanitati subiecta est non sponte, quia et in homine omnis est. inest quippe homini et inuisibile quid secundum animum et uisibile secundum corpus; omnis autem creatura partim est uisibilis, partim inuisibilis, nec tamen omnis in pecore, cui mens intellectualis non inest. in spem sane subiectam esse dicit propter misericordiam liberantis per remissionem peccatorum et adoptionem gratiae. tu uero si fateri nolueris a patre per filium in bonitate spiritus sancti, quae trinitas consubstantialis et aeterna et incommutabilis semper manet, de nihilo factam esse creaturam, bonam quidem, sed tamen inparem creatori atque mutabilem, cogeris utique sacrilegia dicere, ut aliquid deus de se ipso genuerit, quod non sit aequale gignenti et possit subici uanitati; aut si aequale dixeris, erit utrumque mutabile. quae maior inpietas quam ista credere ac dicere et malle peruersa opinione deum in deterius quam correcta ratione se ipsum in melius commutare? si autem timueris dicere mutabilem deum, quia reuera magna est et apertissima inpietas. dixeris etiam creaturam esse incommutabilem, ut eam parem facias creatori et unius eiusdemque substantiae, rursus tibi tua epistula respondebit. unde est enim anima illa, quam ponis in medio spirituum, cui a principio dicis naturam suam dedisse uictoriam, eique legem condicionemque proponis, quia, si una cum spiritu uirtutum fecerit, habebit cum eo uitam perpetuam illudque possidebit regnum, ad quod dominus noster inuitat; si uero ab spiritu uitiorum incipiat trahi ac post consensum paenitudinem gerat, habebit harum sordium indulgentiae fontem. his certe uerbis ex epistula tua recognitis simul etiam recognoscis mutabilem te animae constituisse naturam. aliquando enim consentire spiritui uitiorum ac rursus paenitudinem gerere quid est aliud quam nunc in melius, nunc in deterius commutari? et hoc te manifestissima ueritas conpulit dicere. ipsa enim anima tua, si dissimulare uelles, urgueret te adtendere mutabilitatem suam, et totiens, ex quo natus es, per uarias uoluntates, doctrinas, obliuiones consensionesque mutata testis sibi fieret ac nulla extrinsecus documenta quaeritaret.

Therefore, when I ask you from what the whole creation was made, which, though good in its own kind, is nonetheless lower than the Creator and changeable while he remains unchangeable, you will find nothing to answer unless you admit that it was made out of nothing. And so that creature can incline toward nothing when it sins, the portion of it which can sin, not so as to be nothing, but so as to have less vigor and be less firm. For if you carry having less vigor and less strength in thought to its end, nothing remains. So it loves vanity of its own accord when, abandoning the solidity of truth, it follows things of opinion, that is, changeable things. But when it pays the deserved penalties for this, it is subjected to vanity not of its own accord, as it is subjected in a sinning human being. For hence the apostle says: “Every creature has been subjected to vanity, not willingly,” because every creature is also in the human being. For there is in the human being something invisible according to the soul and something visible according to the body; and every creature is partly visible, partly invisible; but not every creature is in a beast, in which there is no intellectual mind. He says, indeed, that it was subjected in hope, because of the mercy of the one who sets it free through the forgiveness of sins and the adoption of grace. But if you will not admit that creation was made out of nothing by the Father through the Son in the goodness of the Holy Spirit (which Trinity remains always consubstantial, eternal, and unchangeable), good indeed but unequal to the Creator and changeable, you will certainly be forced to utter sacrileges: that God begot from himself something which is not equal to the one begetting and can be subjected to vanity; or, if you say it is equal, both will be changeable. What greater impiety than to believe and say this, and to prefer by perverse opinion to change God for the worse rather than to change oneself for the better by corrected reason? But if you fear to say that God is changeable, because it is truly a great and most manifest impiety, and say instead that the creature is unchangeable, so as to make it equal to the Creator and of one and the same substance, your own letter will answer you again. For where does that soul come from which you place in the midst of the spirits, to which you say its nature gave victory from the beginning, and to which you set a law and condition: that if it acts as one with the spirit of virtues, it will have eternal life with it and will possess that kingdom to which our Lord invites us; but if it begins to be drawn away by the spirit of vices and, after consenting, feels repentance, it will have a fountain of pardon for these defilements? When you recognize these words of your letter, you certainly recognize at the same time that you have made the nature of the soul changeable. For at one time to consent to the spirit of vices and again to feel repentance, what is that but to be changed now for the better, now for the worse? And the most manifest truth compelled you to say this. For your very soul, if you wished to pretend otherwise, would press you to notice its changeableness, and, having been changed so many times since you were born through various wills, teachings, forgettings, and consents, would become its own witness and would seek no proofs from outside.

Rom 8:20 (quotation, high confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: Augustine argues that creation, being changeable, was made from nothing by the Trinity, and uses Secundinus's own account of the soul choosing between the spirits of virtue and vice to show that the soul is changeable and so not of God's substance.

  • Secundinus's teaching that the soul stands between a spirit of virtues and a spirit of vices, and receives pardon after consenting and repenting, is quoted or paraphrased from his letter.
  • “Every creature” renders omnis creatura (Rom 8:20, “creation”), as Augustine's argument requires.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (stray period; stray period joining words): non ut nihil sit,. → non ut nihil sit,; aequale.gignenti → aequale gignenti.

Topics: Trinity, Heresy

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Sec. 8 (CSEL 25.2:916–917; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-contra-secundinum/1/#p-8). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Chapter 9

9CSEL 25.2:917–919

Nisi forte hoc te adiuuari putas, ut dicas incommutabilem esse animam, quia subiunxisti dicens: non enim propria uoluntate peccauit, sed alterius ductu; carnis enim commixtione ducitur, non propria uoluntate. in qua sententia forte hoc uis intellegi, ut scilicet anima in natura propria sit incommutabilis, in alterius uero naturae commixtione mutabilis; quasi uero quaeratur, cur ita sit, et non, quia ita est. iam hoc modo etiam Hectoris, Aiacis, immo uero cunctorum hominum atque animantium corpora inuulnerabilia dicerentur, si abesset ictus et casus, quibus eis uulnus possit infligi. sed nimirum propterea solius Achillis corpus siue poetico figmento siue aliqua occultiore ui rerum inuulnerabile dictum est, quod etiam tela cum ingruerent, non penetrabatur, et ex qua parte penetrari potuit, ex hac utique inuulnerabile non fuit. sic anima si esset incommutabilis, ita nullius rei permixtione commutaretur, sicut corpus, quod est inuulnerabile, nullius rei contactu aut inpetu uulneratur. itaque nos, quia dei uerbum incontaminabile dicimus, etiam carne mortali et uulnerabili adsumpta, ut nos et mortem et quaelibet incommoda corporis contemnere doceret, natum de uirgine credere non timemus; uos autem, quia inpia peruersitate contaminabilem filium dei creditis, carni eum permittere formidatis; cuius tamen substantiam animae naturam esse perhibentes ita commixtum carni adseueratis, ut etiam in deterius commutatum non dubitetis opinari. elige igitur, quid uelis: utrum deum commutabilem dicere uel credere, ut de commutabilis patris substantia commutabilem prolem genitam esse pariter credas — quae quanta sit inpietas, profecto sentis — an incommutabilem deum dicere, sed tamen de substantia sua prolem genuisse mutabilem — quod nihilominus uides quam inpie absurdeque dicatur — an uero ita deum incommutabilem confiteris, ut etiam quod de substantia sua genuit aequaliter non mutetur pariterque sit summum ac praestantissimum bonum ipsumque summe esse ad eundem modum permansione inuiolabili obtineat, cetera uero inferiora bona, quam creaturam uocamus, non de ipso, nam essent aequalia, sed tamen quia bona, ipse, quia non aequalia, de nihilo fecerit: quod si credis. inpius non eris et obliuisceris Persas et noster eris.

Unless perhaps you think it helps you to say that the soul is unchangeable, because you added: “For it did not sin by its own will, but by the leading of another; for it is led by its mingling with the flesh, not by its own will.” In this statement you perhaps want it understood that the soul is unchangeable in its own nature but changeable in its mingling with another nature; as if the question were why it is so, and not that it is so. In this way the bodies of Hector and Ajax, and indeed of all human beings and animals, would be called invulnerable, if the blows and accidents by which a wound could be inflicted on them were absent. But surely the body of Achilles alone, whether by poetic fiction or by some more hidden power of things, was called invulnerable because it was not pierced even when weapons fell upon it; and in the part where it could be pierced, there it was certainly not invulnerable. So, if the soul were unchangeable, it would be changed by mingling with nothing, just as a body that is invulnerable is wounded by the touch or attack of nothing. So we, because we call the Word of God undefilable even when he took on mortal and vulnerable flesh, in order to teach us to despise both death and any bodily harms, are not afraid to believe that he was born of the Virgin; but you, because with impious perversity you believe the Son of God defilable, are afraid to entrust him to flesh; and yet, declaring that the nature of the soul is his substance, you assert that it is so mingled with flesh that you do not hesitate to think it changed even for the worse. Choose, then, what you want: either to say or believe that God is changeable, so that you likewise believe that changeable offspring was begotten from the substance of a changeable father (how great an impiety that is you certainly perceive); or to say that God is unchangeable, but that he nonetheless begot changeable offspring from his substance (and you see how impiously and absurdly that too is said); or else confess God unchangeable in such a way that what he begot from his substance is likewise not changed, and is equally the highest and most excellent good, and holds that same highest being in the same way with inviolable permanence; while the other, lower goods, which we call creation, he made not from himself (for then they would be equal), but, since they are good, he himself made them, and since they are not equal, out of nothing. If you believe this, you will not be impious; you will forget the Persians and you will be ours.

Notes and citation

Summary: Augustine rejects Secundinus's claim that the soul sins only through mingling with flesh: an unchangeable soul could not be changed by mingling, and only the confession that creation was made from nothing avoids making God changeable.

  • Secundinus's words on the soul being led by its mingling with the flesh are quoted from his letter.
  • The Manichaeans taught that the soul is a part of God's substance mingled with matter; Augustine reports this and contrasts it with the virgin birth of the incarnate Word.
  • Achilles' invulnerability (except his heel) is a post-Homeric legend; Augustine notes it may be poetic fiction.

Topics: Christology, Heresy

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Sec. 9 (CSEL 25.2:917–919; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-contra-secundinum/1/#p-9). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude (Opus) from the Latin of Zycha (CSEL 25, 1891–92); no public-domain English translation exists, so each batch was re-read against the Latin.