Against Secundinus the Manichaean 19–26

Latin text: Zycha, CSEL 25.2 (Latin text: Joseph Zycha, Contra Secundinum Manichaeum (CSEL 25.2, 1892), digitized by Open Greek and Latin (csel-dev, University of Leipzig), CC BY-SA 4.0).English: Claude (claude-opus-5-5), public domain (CC0).

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Chapter 19

19CSEL 25.2:932–935

At enim unde est malum factum, quod peccatum uocatur, si nulla est mali natura? dic mihi, unde sit illa consensio mala in ea natura, quam bonam esse concedis et praedicas. quicquid enim patitur. ut consentiat malo, non utique pateretur, nisi pati posset. quaero ergo, unde habeat ipsum pati posse; melior enim esset, si non haberet. non ergo natura summi boni, qua posset esse aliquid melius. deinde si habet. in potestate uel consentire uel non consentire, non ergo uicta consentit. quaero itaque, unde habeat istam consensionem malam nulla contraria cogente natura. si autem cogitur consentire, ita ut aut non sit in eius potestate aliter facere, non ergo, ut dicebas, uoluntate peccat, quando non uoluntate consentit. sed ego adhuc quaero. unde in illa sit posse decipi; si decipitur. antequam enim deciperetur. nisi esset in ea. ut hoc pati posset, numquam utique pateretur. quamquam nullo modo nisi uoluntate consentit: si autem cogitur, cedere potius quam consentire dicenda est. sed quolibet nomine istud appelles. quaero abs te acuto et sollerti uiro et tuo Romano. ut gloriaris, ingenio, unde habeat ista boni natura pati posse, quod patitur, ut consentiat malo. sicut enim in ligno. antequam frangatur, inest fragilitas, quae nisi inesset, frangi omnino non posset, nec ideo non est fragile lignum, si nullus fractor accedat: sic quaero, in ista natura unde sit quaedam uel fragilitas uel flexibilitas. antequam ad malam consensionem uel ui frangatur uel suasione flectatur. aut si mali uicinitate iam fragilitas erat, sicut solent corpora uicinae paludis exhalatione corrumpi, iam ergo corruptibilis erat, si potuit eam uicinitatis illius contagio pestilentiosa corrumpere. quaero igitur unde illa corruptibilitas. Quaeso, adtende, quid loquar, et cede perspicuae ueritati. non enim quaero, unde corruptio — respondebis enim "a corruptore" eundemque corruptorem nescio quem principem gentis tenebrarum esse contendes, ut etiam fabulosis tegminibus inuolutum euoluere ac tenere uix possit — sed quaero, unde corruptibilitas, etiam antequam corruptor accederet: quae nisi esset. aut nullus existeret aut nihil noceret cuiuslibet corruptoris accessio. cum ergo tu inueneris. unde in bona natura ista corruptibilitas, antequam natura contraria corrumpatur; aut si non uis eam dicere corrumpi. unde certe ista mutabilitas, antequam ea hostili aduersitate mutaretur - non enim non mutatur natura in deterius. quae fit ex sapiente stulta et quae obliuiscitur sui; tu enim ista uerba adposuisti dicens: si cum se ipsam cognouerit, consentiat malo: mutatur ergo in deterius. cum obliuiscitur sui, ut se ipsam rursus commemoratam cognoscat: nullo autem pacto mutari potuisset, nisi. antequam mutaretur. esset mutabilis -cum ergo tu inueneris. unde ista mutabilitas in substantia summi boni, antequam esset ulla boni et mali facta commixtio. profecto desines a me quaerere. unde sit malum. quamquam in natura summi boni. si eam recte cogites, nullam prorsus mutabilitatem temporis inueniri nec a se ipsa nec alterius cuiuslibet accessu possit. sicut in ea natura. quam Manichaeus fingit et summe bonam esse arbitratur uel etiam sibi credentibus persuadet. quaere atque responde, si potes, unde ista mutabilitas. quae non inuenta, sed prodita est, cum mora accederet? mutari enim nec ab hoste posset, si mutari omnino non posset: cum autem potuit, non se fecisse incommutabilem demonstrauit. haec ergo mutabilitas cum esse in substantia summi boni, hoc est in substantia dei creditur, si contentiosus non es, uides, quanta insipientia blasphematur. cum uero de creatura tale aliquid dicitur, quam deus nec genuit nec protulit de substantia sua, sed fecit ex nihilo, non de summo bono agitur; sed tamen de tali bono, quod nisi a summo, qui deus est, non posset institui. deus quippe summe bonus atque incommutabiliter bonus omnia non summe nec incommutabiliter bona, sed tamen bona fecit, ab angelis caelorum usque ad extremas bestias herbasque terrarum pro sua cuiusque dignitate naturae omnia locis congruis ordinata. uerum in his rationalis creatura, cum creatori. hoc est factori et institutori suo deo dilectionis oboedientia cohaeret, naturam suam in illius aeternitate. ueritate. caritate custodit; cum uero eum contumaci inoboedientia deserit, per suum liberum arbitrium peccatis se inuoluit, per illius autem iustum iudicium subplicio misera efficitur: et hoc est totum malum. partim quod iniuste facit, partim quod iuste patitur. hoc tu a me non quaeras, unde sit, cum tibi iam ipse responderis, qui dixisti, quod cum se ipsam cognouerit anima. si malo consenserit, uoluntate sua peccat. ecce unde est malum, a propria scilicet uoluntate. non autem ista natura, sed culpa est, ac per hoc etiam contraria naturae, cui utique nocet priuando eam bono, quo beata esse posset. si peccare noluisset. hanc tu peccati uoluntatem moueri non putas in anima nisi ex alio malo, quod credis esse naturam, quam non fecerit deus, eamque animam naturam dei esse contendis; ac per hoc ista mali nescio qua natura, si hanc in anima peccati suadendo facit, in peccatum uictus deicitur deus.

But, you say, where did the evil that is called sin come from, if there is no nature of evil? Tell me where that evil consent comes from in the nature which you grant and proclaim to be good. For whatever it suffers so as to consent to evil, it certainly would not suffer unless it could suffer. So I ask where it gets the very capacity to suffer; for it would be better if it did not have it. So it is not the nature of the supreme good, than which something could be better. Next, if it has it in its power either to consent or not to consent, then it does not consent because it is conquered. So I ask where it gets this evil consent, when no contrary nature compels it. But if it is compelled to consent, so that it is not in its power to do otherwise, then it does not sin by will, as you said, since it does not consent by will. But I still ask where the capacity to be deceived is in it, if it is deceived. For before it was deceived, unless it had in it the capacity to suffer this, it would never have suffered it. Though it does not consent in any way except by will; and if it is compelled, it should be said rather to yield than to consent. But by whatever name you call it, I ask of you, a sharp and skillful man with a Roman mind, as you boast, where this nature of the good gets the capacity to suffer what it suffers, so as to consent to evil. For just as in wood, before it is broken, there is fragility, without which it could not be broken at all, and wood is no less fragile if no breaker comes along, so I ask where in this nature there comes a certain fragility or flexibility before it is either broken by force or bent by persuasion into evil consent. Or if the fragility was already there through the neighborhood of evil, as bodies are often corrupted by the exhalation of a nearby marsh, then it was already corruptible, if the pestilent contagion of that neighborhood could corrupt it. So I ask where that corruptibility came from. Please pay attention to what I say, and yield to plain truth. For I do not ask where corruption came from (for you will answer, “from the corrupter,” and you will maintain that this corrupter is some prince of the race of darkness, so wrapped in fabulous coverings that one can hardly unwrap and grasp him), but I ask where corruptibility came from, even before the corrupter came; for unless it existed, either no corrupter would exist, or the approach of any corrupter would do no harm. So when you have found where this corruptibility in the good nature came from before it was corrupted by the contrary nature; or, if you do not want to say it was corrupted, where at least this changeableness came from before it was changed by hostile opposition (for a nature that becomes foolish from wise and forgets itself is surely changed for the worse; and you yourself added these words, saying, “if, when it has come to know itself, it consents to evil”; so it is changed for the worse when it forgets itself, so that it may know itself again when reminded; and it could in no way have been changed unless it was changeable before it was changed): when, then, you have found where this changeableness came from in the substance of the supreme good, before any mingling of good and evil had taken place, you will surely stop asking me where evil comes from. Although in the nature of the supreme good, if you think of it rightly, no changeableness of time at all can be found, either from itself or from the approach of anything else; [whereas] in that nature which Mani imagines and thinks to be supremely good, or even persuades those who believe him that it is, look and answer, if you can, where this changeableness came from, which was not found but betrayed when [the enemy] approached. For it could not be changed even by an enemy if it could not be changed at all; but since it could, it showed that it had not made itself unchangeable. So when this changeableness is believed to be in the substance of the supreme good, that is, in the substance of God, you see, if you are not contentious, with how great folly blasphemy is uttered. But when something of the kind is said of a creature, which God neither begot nor brought forth from his substance but made out of nothing, it is not the supreme good that is in question; but yet a good such that it could not be established except by the supreme good, which is God. For God, supremely and unchangeably good, made all things good, not supremely or unchangeably good, but good nonetheless, from the angels of heaven down to the lowest beasts and plants of the earth, all ordered in fitting places according to the worth of each one's nature. Among these the rational creature, when it clings to God its Creator, that is, its maker and founder, with the obedience of love, keeps its nature in his eternity, truth, and love; but when it deserts him in stubborn disobedience, it entangles itself in sins through its free choice, and through his just judgment it is made wretched by punishment; and this is the whole of evil: partly what it does unjustly, partly what it suffers justly. Do not ask me where this comes from, since you have already answered yourself when you said that the soul, when it has come to know itself, if it consents to evil, sins by its own will. See where evil comes from: from one's own will. And this is not a nature, but a fault, and therefore even contrary to nature, which it certainly harms by depriving it of the good by which it could have been happy if it had not willed to sin. You think this will to sin is moved in the soul only by another evil, which you believe is a nature that God did not make, and you maintain that the soul is the nature of God; and thus, if this nature of evil, whatever it is, produces this will in the soul by persuading it to sin, God is conquered and cast down into sin.

Textual problem in this passage: see the notes.

Notes and citation

Summary: Augustine asks where the soul's capacity to be corrupted came from before any contact with evil; if it is God's substance, God would be changeable, so evil must be the free will of a creature made from nothing.

  • Secundinus had described himself as having a Roman mind; Augustine was African (“Punic”, see section 25).
  • “When [the enemy] approached”: the transmitted “cum mora accederet” is corrupt; translated by sense. The bracketed “whereas” supplies a link for a sentence that is broken in the printed text.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR slip; doubled period; hyphenation debris; stray hyphen; stray mark; stray marks; stray period; word split in the digital text): prae-. dicas → praedicas; ipsum. - pati → ipsum pati; io potestate → in potestate; numquani → numquam; corruptibilitas.. → corruptibilitas.; respendebis → respondebis; consentiat maio → consentiat malo; obliuiscit-ur → obliuiscitur; ista- mutabilitas → ista mutabilitas; arbitrator → arbitratur; quanta. insipientia → quanta insipientia; locis. congruis → locis congruis; de serit → deserit; peccat.* ecce → peccat. ecce; contraria. naturae → contraria naturae.

Topics: Heresy

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Sec. 19 (CSEL 25.2:932–935; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-contra-secundinum/19/#p-19). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude (Opus) from the Latin of Zycha (CSEL 25, 1891–92); no public-domain English translation exists, so each batch was re-read against the Latin.

Chapter 20

20CSEL 25.2:935–938

Ecce quanta inpietate. quam nefariis horrendisque blasphemiis te non uis exuere ponendo in natura, quam non fecit deus, uitam. sensum. sermonem; modum, speciem, ordinem et alia innumerabilia bona, et ponendo in ipsa dei natura ante ullam commixtionem mali ipsam mutabilitatem. qua capi poterat et cui timere cogebatur "uidens magnam labem ac uastitatem aduersus sua sancta inpendere saecula, nisi aliquod eximium ac praeclarum et uirtute potens numen obponeret." et ut quid hoc totum, nisi ut illa dei natura atque substantia sic inplicatum teneat hostem subiectum, ut peccans perferat et ligatum nec totum euadat. purgata iam uictum. et ut damnata seruet inclusum? praeclaram uero excusationem bellicae necessitatis in deo uestro inuenistis contra illud, quod uobis proponitur, ut respondeatis: quid factura erat deo gens tenebrarum. si cum ea pugnare noluisset? quam si dixeritis aliquid fuisse nocituram, fatebimini corruptibilem et uiolabilem deum; si autem dixeritis, quod ei nocere non possit, quaeretur a uobis: cur ergo pugnauit? cur substantiam suam corrumpendam atque uiolandam et ad peccata omnia cogendam hostibus tradidit? contra istam ergo conplexionem numquam exire potuistis. Magnum aliquid uobis et tutum inuenisse uidemini, ut respondeatis dicentes: magna est iniquitas adpetere aliena, cui deus iniquitati praebuisset adsensum, si eam gentem, quae hoc ausa fuerat, expugnare noluisset. haberet ista responsio qualemcumque iustitiae colorem, si saltem in ipso bello natura dei uestri se integram inpollutamque seruasset et permixta hostilibus membris nihil iniquitatis uel coacta uel seducta fecisset; cum uero tantis facinoribus et flagitiis eam captiuam consentire dicatis, cum denique ab illa inpietate tam inmani, qua etiam lumini sancto, cuius portio est, extitit inimica, nec totam perhibeatis posse purgari, unde illi merito retribuere. creditis horrendi illius globi aeterna subplicia: quanto satius erat inimicum hostem in sua iniquitate relinquere inania molientem quam tradere ei partem dei, cuius uires hauriret, cuius decorem corruptum suae iniquitati sociaret, quis non uideat? quis non tanta obstinatione caecetur, ut non sentiat, non adtendat, quanto minore iniquitate gens tenebrarum frustra naturam inuadere conaretur alienam, quam deus inuadendam et ad iniquitatem cogendam et ad poenam ex aliqua etiam parte damnandam traderet suam? hoccine tandem est iniquitati consentire noluisse et tam ingentem iniquitatem sine ulla necessitate fecisse? an erat necessitas. quod ipsum Manichaeum dicere non puduit et uos pudet? ille quippe ait; uidisse deum magnam labem ac uastitatem aduersus sua sancta inpendere saecula nisi aliquod eximium et uirtute potens numen obponeret; uos autem acutius uidelicet ratiocinamini, quam si deum dixeritis ea necessitate pugnasse, ne noceret ei gens tenebrarum. uiolabilem et corruptibilem dicentes deum, cui nocere aliquid posset, si pugnare noluisset abigite ergo et expellite a cordibus uestris et a fide uestra etiam ipsam pugnam totamque illam fabulam inpiarum et inmundissimarum blasphemiarum horrore contextam tandem aliquando anathemate atque damnate. nam quale est, obsecro te, quod, ut ante dictum est. uiolabilem illam naturam et corruptibilem deum dicere non timetis. ut natura dei uestri. si fortitudinem, qua non caperetur, non potuit exercere. non potuerit saltem iustitiam captiua seruare, quod Daniel potuit, cuius leones ausus es inridere. qui eorum, a quibus captiuus ductus fuerat, iniquitati etiam pietate sua nullo conpulsus terrore consensit nec in condicione corporalis seruitutis aequitatem ac libertatem animi patientis et sapientis amisit: natura uero dei captiua ducta est, iniqua facta est, non potest tota purgari, cogitur in fine damnari. quod malum sibi futurum si sciebat ex aeternitate, illi nulla diuinitas de se debebatur. si autem uel terris uel regionibus sibimet uicinitate contiguis regni lucis et gentis tenebrarum - quae ab hominibus prudenter intellegentibus ridenda Manichaeus narrat — inenarrabilia esse dixisti et haec a Christo appellari dextram et sinistram, nouimus sic appellare Christum dextram et sinistram. ut non corporalia sic. sed beatitudinem miseriamque sui cuiusque meriti uelit intellegi. sed carnalis uestra cogitatio usque adeo a locis corporalibus non recedit, ut solem istum uisibilem ac per hoc corporeum, qui contineri nisi corporali loco non potest, et deum et partem dei esse dicatis. uerum de his uobiscum agere stultum est. quid enim incorporeum intellegere poteritis, qui deum incorruptibilem nondum creditis?

See with how great impiety, with what wicked and horrible blasphemies you are unwilling to strip yourself, by placing in a nature which God did not make life, sense, speech, measure, form, order, and countless other goods, and by placing in the very nature of God, before any mingling with evil, that changeableness by which he could be captured and because of which he was forced to fear, “seeing a great ruin and devastation threatening his holy realms unless he set against it some outstanding and illustrious deity, powerful in strength.” And to what end all this, except that that nature and substance of God should hold the enemy entangled and subdued in such a way that, sinning, it endures it, and, bound, does not wholly escape, and, once cleansed, keeps the conquered enemy shut in, and, condemned, keeps it enclosed? A fine excuse indeed you have found in your god, the necessity of war, against what is put to you for an answer: what was the race of darkness going to do to God if he had refused to fight it? If you say it would have done some harm, you will admit that God is corruptible and violable; but if you say that it could not harm him, you will be asked: why then did he fight? Why did he hand over his substance to enemies to be corrupted and violated and forced into every sin? Against this dilemma you have never been able to find a way out. You think you have found something great and safe when you answer by saying: it is a great iniquity to covet what belongs to others, and God would have given assent to this iniquity if he had refused to defeat the race that had dared it. This answer would have some color of justice if at least in that war the nature of your god had kept itself whole and unpolluted, and, mingled with hostile members, had done nothing wicked either under compulsion or by seduction. But since you say that, captured, it consents to such great crimes and outrages, and since finally you maintain that it cannot be wholly cleansed of that monstrous impiety, by which it even became an enemy to the holy light of which it is a portion, so that you believe the eternal punishments of that horrible globe are deservedly paid back to it: who does not see how much better it would have been to leave the hostile enemy in its iniquity, attempting empty things, than to hand over to it a part of God, whose strength it would drain, whose corrupted beauty it would join to its own iniquity? Who is blinded by such obstinacy as not to perceive, not to notice, with how much less iniquity the race of darkness would have tried in vain to invade a nature foreign to it, than God handed over his own nature to be invaded, forced into iniquity, and in some part even condemned to punishment? Is this, then, to have refused to consent to iniquity, and to have done so huge an iniquity without any necessity? Or was there a necessity, which Mani himself was not ashamed to say and you are ashamed to? For he says that God saw a great ruin and devastation threatening his holy realms unless he set against it some outstanding deity, powerful in strength; but you reason, of course, more sharply, as though if you said that God fought out of the necessity of preventing the race of darkness from harming him, you would be calling God violable and corruptible, able to be harmed by something if he had refused to fight. Drive away, then, and expel from your hearts and from your faith that very battle and the whole fable woven with the horror of ungodly and most unclean blasphemies, and at last anathematize and condemn it. For what kind of thing is it, I beg you, that, as was said before, you do not fear to call God a violable and corruptible nature, so that the nature of your god, if it could not exercise the strength by which it would not be captured, could not at least keep its justice as a captive, which Daniel could, whose lions you dared to mock? He did not consent to the iniquity of those by whom he had been led captive, but by his devotion, compelled by no terror, did not lose, in the condition of bodily slavery, the equity and freedom of a patient and wise mind. But the nature of God was led captive, was made wicked, cannot be wholly cleansed, is forced at the end to be condemned. If it knew from eternity that this evil would come upon it, no divinity was owed to it for itself. And if you said that the lands or regions of the kingdom of light and the race of darkness, adjoining each other as neighbors (which Mani recounts in a way that men of prudent understanding must laugh at), are indescribable, and that these are what Christ calls right and left, we know that Christ calls them right and left in such a way that he wants them understood not as bodily things, but as the happiness and misery of each one's desert. But your fleshly thinking does not withdraw from bodily places so far that you say this visible sun, and therefore bodily, which cannot be contained except in a bodily place, is both God and a part of God. But it is foolish to deal with you about these things. For what incorporeal thing will you be able to understand, who do not yet believe God incorruptible?

Dan 6:16–22 (allusion, high confidence) · Matt 25:33 (allusion, high confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: Augustine attacks the Manichaean myth of God's war with darkness: either God could be harmed and is corruptible, or he fought needlessly and handed his own substance over to sin, while even the captive Daniel kept his integrity.

  • The quoted words (“seeing a great ruin and devastation …”) are from Mani's Fundamental Epistle, which Augustine also quotes elsewhere.
  • Augustine summarizes the Manichaean teaching that part of God's substance, mingled with darkness, cannot be wholly freed and will be bound in a final “globe”.
  • Secundinus had apparently mocked the story of Daniel in the lions' den; the right and left are Matt 25:33.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR slip; OCR slip (letter lost); stray hyphen; stray period; word split in the digital text): ob poneret → obponeret; permixta. hostilibus → permixta hostilibus; frustra. naturam → frustra naturam; iniq-uitati → iniquitati; ue-lit → uelit; cegitatio → cogitatio; per hoe → per hoc; partem di esse → partem dei esse.

Topics: Heresy

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Sec. 20 (CSEL 25.2:935–938; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-contra-secundinum/19/#p-20). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Chapter 21

21CSEL 25.2:938–939

Sed uidelicet bonus amicus benigne me obiurgas, quod Manichaeos reliquerim et me ad Iudaeorum libros contulerim. ipsi sunt. qui uestrum errorem fallaciamque suffocant: in eis quippe prophetatus est Christus, qualem dei ueritas reddidit, non qualem Manichaei uanitas finxit. sed homo urbanissimus exagitas antiquam scripturam, quod scriptum sit in propheta: et fac filios de fornicatione, quoniam fornicabitur terra a domino, cum audias in euangelio: meretrices et publicani praecedent uos in regnum caelorum. noui. unde ueniat indignatio tua: non enim tibi tam fornicaria displicet in fornicatione quam quod in matrimonium commutata est et conuersa ad pudicitiam coniugalem, ubi deum creditis uestrum in procreando filios artioribus carnis uinculis conligari: cui putatis parcere meretrices, quia dant operam ne concipiant, ut ab officio pariendi liberae libidini seruiant. feminae quippe conceptus apud uos carcer est et uinculum dei. hinc tibi etiam illud displicet: erunt duo in carne una, cum hoc in Christo atque ecclesia sancta magnum mysterium commendet apostolus. hinc displicet: crescite et multiplicamini, ne dei uestri multiplicentur ergastula. me autem fateor in ecclesia catholica didicisse sicut animam, ita et corpus, quorum alterum praeditum, alterum subditum est, ita bonum animae ac bona corporis non esse nisi a summo bono, a quo sunt omnia bona, siue magna seu parua, siue caelestia siue terrestria, siue spiritalia siue corporalia, siue temporalia siue sempiterna, nec ideo ista reprehendenda, quia illa praeferenda.

But, as a good friend, you kindly rebuke me for having left the Manichaeans and betaken myself to the books of the Jews. It is they that choke your error and deceit; for in them Christ was prophesied as the truth of God presented him, not as the emptiness of Mani invented him. But, most urbane man, you attack the ancient Scripture because it is written in the prophet: “And make children of fornication, for the land will commit fornication away from the Lord,” although you hear in the gospel: “Prostitutes and tax collectors will go before you into the kingdom of heaven.” I know where your indignation comes from: for it is not so much the fornicating woman in her fornication that displeases you, as that she was changed into marriage and turned to conjugal chastity, where you believe your god is bound by the tighter chains of flesh in the procreation of children; you think prostitutes spare him, because they take care not to conceive, so that, freed from the duty of childbearing, they may serve lust. For among you a woman's conception is a prison and chain of God. Hence you are also displeased by “The two will be in one flesh,” although the apostle commends this as a great mystery in Christ and the holy Church. Hence you are displeased by “Increase and multiply,” lest the prison houses of your god be multiplied. But I confess that I learned in the catholic Church that, just as the soul and the body, one of which is set over and the other subject, so the good of the soul and the goods of the body are only from the supreme good, from whom are all good things, whether great or small, whether heavenly or earthly, whether spiritual or bodily, whether temporal or eternal; and that these are not to be blamed because those are to be preferred.

Hos 1:2 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 21:31 (quotation, high confidence) · Gen 2:24 (quotation, high confidence) · Eph 5:31–32 (allusion, high confidence) · Gen 1:28 (quotation, high confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: Augustine answers Secundinus's ridicule of Hosea's marriage and of Genesis on marriage and procreation, attributing it to the Manichaean belief that conception imprisons divine light, and affirms that bodily goods too come from God.

  • Augustine reports the Manichaean teaching that procreation binds particles of God in flesh, which led Manichaeans to prefer non-procreative intercourse; he gives this as his account of their view.
  • Hosea 1:2 is quoted in a form close to the Septuagint; “fornication” is kept here because the word is Hosea's figure for Israel's infidelity.
  • “Set over” translates praeditum, apparently for praelatum; translated by sense.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (words joined in the digital text): dant operamne → dant operam ne.

Topics: Marriage, Heresy

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Sec. 21 (CSEL 25.2:938–939; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-contra-secundinum/19/#p-21). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Chapter 22

22CSEL 25.2:939–940

Illud uero, quod inter culpanda ponis macta et manduca, etiam in actibus apostolorum spiritaliter positum est. uerumtamen et corporaliter non est cibus in uituperatione, sed luxus, praecipue uobis etiam carnaliter a carnibus abstinere haec accepta sententia placere debuit, ut mactaretis carnes ac sic carceribus fractis de misera custodia deus uester aufugeret, et si quae ibi eius reliquiae remansissent, manducando eas in officina aqualiculi purgaretis. insultas, quod mihi doluerit sterilitas Sarae. non plane hoc ego dolui. quia et ipsa prophetica fuit. uestris autem sacrilegiis fabulosis congruit non sterilitatem Sarae, sed fecunditatem dolere, quia omnis feminae fecunditas dura est dei calamitas: unde non mirum est, quia in uobis maxime inpletur, quod de talibus praedictum est: prohibentes nuptias. neque enim tam concubitum quam nuptias detestamini, quoniam in eis concubitus causa propagandi non uitium. sed officium est: a quo inmunis est continentia uirorum feminarumque sanctarum. non quia sicut malum illud deuitarunt, sed quia melius elegerunt. quamquam patrum et matrum. quales Abraham et Sara extiterunt, ipsum officium coniugale non ex humana societate, sed ei diuina dispensatione pensandum est. nam quia Christum in carne uenire oportebat, ei carni propagandae famulatum est coniugium Sarae. cui uirginitas Mariae.

And what you place among the things to be blamed, “Kill and eat,” is also set down spiritually in the Acts of the Apostles. Yet even bodily, it is not food that is blamed but luxury. Above all, to you who abstain even carnally from meat this saying ought to have been welcome, so that you might kill the animals and thus, its prisons broken, your god might escape from his wretched custody, and if any remnants of him remained there, you might purge them by eating them in the workshop of your belly. You mock that I grieved over Sarah's barrenness. I certainly did not grieve over it, because it too was prophetic. But it fits your fabulous sacrileges to grieve not over Sarah's barrenness but over her fruitfulness, because every woman's fruitfulness is a hard calamity for God. So it is no wonder that what was foretold of such people is fulfilled most of all in you: “forbidding marriage.” For you do not detest intercourse so much as marriage, since in marriage intercourse for the sake of propagation is not a vice but a duty; from which the continence of holy men and women is free, not because they avoided it as an evil, but because they chose something better. Although the very conjugal duty of fathers and mothers such as Abraham and Sarah were must be weighed not by human companionship but by divine arrangement. For since Christ was to come in the flesh, Sarah's marriage served the propagation of that flesh, as Mary's virginity did.

Acts 10:13 (quotation, high confidence) · Gen 11:30 (allusion, high confidence) · 1 Tim 4:3 (quotation, high confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: Augustine answers Secundinus's mockery of “kill and eat” and of Sarah's barrenness, charging that Manichaean hostility to childbearing fulfills 1 Tim 4:3, and explains the patriarchs' marriages as serving the coming of Christ in the flesh.

  • Augustine reports the Manichaean teaching that the elect liberate divine light by eating plant food, and turns it ironically against their refusal of meat.
  • “Kill and eat” is Acts 10:13; Secundinus evidently cited it (or a similar Old Testament text) as objectionable.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR slip): n.ihi → mihi.

Topics: Marriage, Heresy

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Sec. 22 (CSEL 25.2:939–940; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-contra-secundinum/19/#p-22). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Chapter 23

23CSEL 25.2:940–941

Unde et illud, quod inperitia laudabili deridendo commemorasti: pone manum sub femore meo, Abraham seruo suo dixit, postulans iurisiurandi fidem pone, inquit. manum sub femore meo et iura per deum caeli. seruus quidem ille oboediendo iurabat. sed Abraham iubendo prophetabat deum scilicet caeli in eam carnem esse uenturum. quae fuisset ex illo femore propagata. uos hoc aspernamini. detestamini, abominamini, casti et mundi homines, qui filio dei, quem nullus contactus carnis mutare potuisset. unum uterum uirginis formidatis; et dei uestri naturam mutatam atque pollutam omnium feminarum, non hominum tantum, sed bestiarum quoque uteris inplicatis. ac per hoc qui unum patriarchae femur horretis, quae tandem femora, non dico prophetarum, sed quarumlibet prostitutarum inuenitis. ubi non per deum uestrum illic tam turpiter conpeditum iurare debeatis? nisi forte non quidem caste. tangere humani corporis membrum, sed pudet iurare per deum tam turpiter uinctum. tanta illic deformitate captiuo nomine pancarpi, qui in ludicris muneribus edi solet. propter omnium generum, quae inerant. bestias exagitas arcam Noe, quae per omne genus animalium futuram ex omnibus gentibus figurabat ecclesiam. ubi te uel non aduertentem uel ignorantem gratulor congruum posuisse uocabulum; πάγκαρπος enim omnis est fructus. quod in ecclesia spiritaliter uerum est. et non adtendis. Noe cum suis inter illas feras, quo inlaesus ingressus est, unde inlaesus egressus est, quam felicior fuerit deo uestro, qui ferina rabie gentis tenebrarum dilaniatus et deuoratus est. itaque ille non pancarpus, sed plane camparcus factus est, qui omni feritate discerptus est. luctam Iacob cum angelo inrides, ubi futura cum carne Christi lucta populi Israhel prophetice figurata est. sed quomodolibet intellegas, quanto melius deus uester cum homine luctaretur, quam uictus atque captiuus a daemonum gente diriperetur. falso Abraham, quod pudicitiam coniugis uendiderit criminaris: ubi non est mentitus sororem, sed cautela humana tacuit uxorem, deo suo committens eius pudicitiam conseruandam: qui nisi faceret, quod facere posset, non in deum fidere, sed deum temptare iudicaretur. nec tamen respicis deum uestrum, qui non uxorem, sed membra sua hostibus polluenda, corrumpenda, turpanda non uendidit, sed gratis dedit. ad quem. si posset, certe optaretis, ut tam inlibata rediret ab inimicis suis dei uestri praeclara natura, quam inlibata uiro reddita est Sara.

Hence too what you mentioned with praiseworthy ignorance, mocking it: “Put your hand under my thigh,” which Abraham said to his servant, asking for the pledge of an oath. “Put,” he says, “your hand under my thigh and swear by the God of heaven.” The servant swore by obeying, but Abraham prophesied by commanding, namely that the God of heaven would come in that flesh which would be propagated from that thigh. You spurn this, detest it, abominate it, chaste and clean men, who dread for the Son of God, whom no contact with flesh could change, a single womb of a virgin; and you entangle the nature of your god, changed and polluted, in the wombs of all females, not of human beings only but of beasts too. And so you who shudder at the one thigh of a patriarch, what thighs, I ask, will you find, I do not say of prophets, but of any prostitutes whatever, where you should not swear by your god, so shamefully fettered there? Unless perhaps you are ashamed not, indeed, to touch a member of the human body chastely, but to swear by a god so shamefully bound, a captive in such deformity there. By the name pancarpus, the show that is usually put on at public games, you attack Noah's ark because of the beasts of all kinds that were in it, the ark which, through every kind of animal, figured the future Church from all nations. There, whether without noticing or without knowing, I congratulate you on having used a fitting word; for πάγκαρπος is “all fruit,” which is spiritually true in the Church. And you do not notice how much happier Noah was with his family among those wild beasts, among whom he entered unharmed and from whom he came out unharmed, than your god, who was torn apart and devoured by the savage rage of the race of darkness. So he was made not a pancarpus but plainly a camparcus, torn apart by every savagery. You mock Jacob's wrestling with the angel, in which the future struggle of the people of Israel with the flesh of Christ was prophetically figured. But however you understand it, how much better would your god wrestle with a man than, conquered and captured, be torn to pieces by the race of demons! You falsely accuse Abraham of having sold his wife's chastity: there he did not lie that she was his sister, but by human caution kept silent that she was his wife, entrusting the preservation of her chastity to his God; for if he had not done what he could do, he would be judged not to trust God but to tempt God. And yet you do not look at your god, who did not sell his wife but gave his own members to enemies, for nothing, to be polluted, corrupted, and disgraced. You would certainly wish, if it were possible, that the illustrious nature of your god might return from its enemies as untouched as Sarah was returned untouched to her husband.

Gen 24:2–3 (quotation, high confidence) · Gen 7:1–16 (allusion, high confidence) · Gen 32:24–30 (allusion, high confidence) · Gen 12:11–20 (allusion, high confidence) · Gen 20:1–14 (allusion, high confidence)

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Summary: Augustine answers Secundinus's ridicule of Abraham's oath, Noah's ark, Jacob's wrestling, and Abraham's deception about Sarah, reading each as prophetic and contrasting it with the Manichaean god captured and torn by darkness.

  • A pancarpus was a show in the arena with many kinds of wild beasts; Augustine plays on Greek πάγκαρπος, “all-fruitful”. “Camparcus” is the transmitted form of his counter-pun; its meaning is unclear.
  • Augustine's defense of Abraham (Gen 12; 20) is that he concealed rather than lied, since Sarah was his half-sister (Gen 20:12).
  • The Greek word is printed garbled in the digital text and is restored as πάγκαρπος.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR slip; garbled Greek in the digital text; stray period): πόϒϰϰρπος → πάγκαρπος; muneribus. edi → muneribus edi; discerptus eat → discerptus est.

Topics: Christology, Heresy

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Sec. 23 (CSEL 25.2:940–941; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-contra-secundinum/19/#p-23). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Chapter 24

24CSEL 25.2:941–943

Laudas mores et studia quondam mea et quaeris, quis me repente mutauerit. deinde circumloquendo commemoras antiquum hostem omnium fidelium atque sanctorum et ipsius domini Iesu Christi. quem uis utique diabolum intellegi. quid ego tibi de mea mutatione respondeam. quam nisi eo modo in melius fieri crederem, non utique me uestro errore detestato atque damnato ad catholicam ecclesiam fidemque conferrem? quod utrum recte fecerim, id est a malo in bonum mutatus sim, tu mihi ipse soluis quaestionem in eodem uerbo. quod posuisti mutationis meae. anima enim mea, si — quemadmodum dicitis — dei natura esset, siue in melius. sicut confido, siue in deterius, sicut arguis, mutari omnino non posset nec a se ipsa nec a cuiusquam uel alterius inpulsu. unde cum errorem istum reliqui et elegi eam fidem, ubi dei natura prorsus incommutabilis pie creditur. ut sapienter intellegatur, non displicet mutatio mea, nisi quibus displicet incommutabilis deus. est autem diabolus sanctorum aduersarius, non quod aduersus eos ex alterius naturae contrario principio consurgit inimicus, sed quod eis inuidet honorem caelestem, unde est ipse deiectus. mutatus enim ipse alios mutare molitur. nam sicut a uobis Persicae illius fabulae prolixitate describitur, si non mutatus alios mutat, profecto maior et uictor est; si autem, sicut adfirmatis. sanctae lucis, non inimicus dei est, sed amicus. et illis melior, quos decipit, qui eos lumini sancto inimicos, cui est ipse amicus, efficit? ideo quippe dicit Manichaeus aeterno subplicio animas in illo horribili globo damnandas, quod errare se a priore lucida sua natura passae sunt et inimicae luminis tunc extiterunt, cum ipsam mentem gentis tenebrarum tenendae apud se lucis amore flagrantem animalium corpora creare contendat. ab his ergo uanissimis sacrilegisque figmentis te cura ut eripias, mutandus in melius illius adiutorio, qui nec in melius nec in deterius commutatur.

You praise my former character and pursuits and ask who suddenly changed me. Then, by circumlocution, you mention the ancient enemy of all the faithful and the saints and of the Lord Jesus Christ himself, by whom you certainly mean the devil to be understood. What shall I answer you about my change? Unless I believed it was made for the better in this way, I certainly would not have detested and condemned your error and betaken myself to the catholic Church and faith. Whether I did this rightly, that is, whether I was changed from evil to good, you yourself solve the question for me in the very word you used, my change. For my soul, if, as you say, it were the nature of God, could not be changed at all, whether for the better, as I trust, or for the worse, as you charge, either by itself or by the impulse of anyone else. So when I left that error and chose the faith in which the nature of God is devoutly believed to be wholly unchangeable, so that it may be wisely understood, my change displeases only those whom an unchangeable God displeases. And the devil is the adversary of the saints, not because he rises against them as an enemy from a contrary principle of another nature, but because he envies them the heavenly honor from which he himself was cast down. For, changed himself, he strives to change others. For as he is described by you in the long-windedness of that Persian fable, if he changes others without being changed, he is surely greater and the victor; but if, as you assert, he [is a lover] of the holy light, he is not an enemy of God but a friend; and is he better than those whom he deceives, he who makes them enemies of the holy light of which he himself is a friend? For Mani says that souls are to be condemned to eternal punishment in that horrible globe because they allowed themselves to stray from their former shining nature and then became enemies of the light; while he maintains that the very mind of the race of darkness, burning with love of keeping the light with it, created the bodies of animals. So take care to rescue yourself from these most empty and sacrilegious fictions, to be changed for the better with the help of him who is changed neither for the better nor for the worse.

Notes and citation

Summary: Augustine answers Secundinus's question about his conversion: the very fact that his soul changed proves it is not God's nature, and the devil is a fallen creature, not an evil principle.

  • The sentence on the devil as described in the Manichaean myth is damaged in the printed text (“sicut adfirmatis. sanctae lucis”); the bracketed words supply the probable sense, that in the myth the prince of darkness desires the light.
  • Augustine reports Mani's teaching that the prince of darkness formed animal bodies to hold captured light.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR slip; hyphenation debris; stray hyphen; stray period): rue uestro → me uestro; id est. a malo → id est a malo; si - quem-: admodum → si — quemadmodum; dei. natura → dei natura; Persica-e → Persicae; ex-. titerunt → extiterunt.

Topics: Heresy

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Sec. 24 (CSEL 25.2:941–943; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-contra-secundinum/19/#p-24). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Chapter 25

25CSEL 25.2:943–945

Euasimus, inquit, quia spiritalem secuti sumus saluatorem. nam illius tantum erupit audacia, ut noster dominus carnalis foret. omnis nostra fuisset spes amputata. si hoc propterea dicis, quia Christum carnem habuisse non creditis, in Manichaeo spem ponere non debetis, quem de masculo et femina procreatum sicut ceteros homines in carnem fuisse conceditis. cur ergo in illo tantam spem ponitis? nam in hac ipsa epistula tua, cum me terreres, ipse dixisti: quis igitur tibi patronus erit ante iustum tribunal iudicis, cum et de sermone et de opere coeperis te teste conuinci? Persa, quem incusasti, non aderit. hoc excepto quis te flentem consolabitur? quis Punicum saluabit? consolatorem igitur et saluatorem Manichaeo excepto nullum esse posse dixisti. quomodo ergo, cum de Christi passionibus ageres, euasisse uos dixisti, quod spiritalem secuti estis saluatorem, ne scilicet eum posset in carne constitutum inimicus occidere? ergo Manichaeum uestrum si occidit inimicus, in quo carnem inuenit, ut iam uester saluator esse posset, quomodo dicis hoc excepto, quis te flentem consolabitur? quis Punicum saluabit?" uides quid sit in haeresi et doctrinis daemoniorum in hypocrisi mendaciloquorum. ueracem Manichaeum de Christo uis esse fallaci, ut, si Christus in ostendenda carne, morte, resurrectione, locis denique uulnerum atque clauorum, quae dubitantibus discipulis demonstrauit, totum fallaciter ac mendaciter gessit, tunc Manichaeus de Christo uerum dixerit, si autem Christus ueram carnem et ideo ueram mortem, ueram resurrectionem, ueras cicatrices ostendit, tunc Manichaeus de Christo mentitus sit. ac per hoc id interest in hac causa inter me atque te, quod tu elegisti ueracem credere Manichaeum Christum credendo fallacem, ego autem Manichaeum potius sicut de aliis rebus, ita de Christo quam Christum de aliqua re — quanto magis de illa, ubi spem credentium maxime posuit, hoc est de sua passione et resurrectione! — mentitum. nam qui dicit: quando Christus post illam, quae mors eius putata est, adparuit discipulis haesitantibus et spiritum se uidere putantibus, quando dixit: tangite manus meas et pedes et uidete, quia spiritus carnem et ossa non habet, sicut me uidetis habere, quando uni eorum minime credenti, mitte, inquit, digitos in latus meum et noli esse incredulus, sed fidelis, totum hoc non ueraciter ostendebat, sed mendaciter: qui hoc, inquam, dicit, non praedicator. sed accusator est Christi. sed, inquis, Christum praedicat Manichaeus eiusque se dicit apostolum. hinc potius detestandus atque fugiendus est. nam haec accusando diceret, se saltem iactaret amatorem ueritatis arguendo alterius falsitatem; nunc uero nesciens incautusque se prodit satisque demonstrat diligenter intuentibus, quid agat ipse, quid diligat, laudando ac praedicando mentientem. fuge itaque, amice, tantam pestem, ne te, quod fieri non potest, fallendo uelit fidelem facere Manichaeus, qualem uult uideri a Christo esse factum illum discipulum cui dixit: mitte digitos in latus meum et noli esse incredulus, sed fidelis. sicut enim sapit dulcissima ueritas, quid aliud discipulo Christus dixit nisi: tange, quod gesto, tange, quod gessi, tange ueram carnem, tange uerorum uestigia uulnerum, tange uera loca clauorum et credendo ueris noli esse incredulus, sed fidelis? sicut autem desipit Manichaei sacrilega uanitas, quid aliud dixit discipulo Christus nisi: tange quod simulo, tange quod fallo, nisi: tange falsam carnem, tange falsorum fallacia uulnerum loca et noli esse incredulus meis mendacibus membris, ut credendo falsis possis esse fidelis. tales fideles habet Manichaeus omnis doctrinae daemoniorum mendaciloquorum.

“We have escaped,” he says, “because we followed a spiritual Savior. For so great was the boldness [of the enemy] that, if our Lord had been fleshly, all our hope would have been cut off.” If you say this because you do not believe that Christ had flesh, you ought not to place hope in Mani, whom you grant was begotten of male and female like other human beings and was in the flesh. Why then do you place so much hope in him? For in this very letter of yours, when you were trying to frighten me, you said yourself: “Who then will be your advocate before the just tribunal of the judge, when you begin to be convicted, with yourself as witness, of both word and deed? The Persian, whom you accused, will not be present. Apart from him, who will console you as you weep? Who will save the Punic man?” So you said that there can be no consoler and savior apart from Mani. How then, when you were dealing with Christ's sufferings, did you say that you escaped because you followed a spiritual Savior, namely so that the enemy could not kill him established in the flesh? So if the enemy killed your Mani, in whom he found flesh, so that he could no longer be your savior, how do you say, “Apart from him, who will console you as you weep? Who will save the Punic man?” You see what it is to be in heresy and in doctrines of demons, in the hypocrisy of liars. You want Mani to be truthful by making Christ deceitful: so that if Christ, in showing his flesh, death, resurrection, and finally the places of the wounds and nails which he showed to the doubting disciples, did everything deceitfully and falsely, then Mani spoke the truth about Christ; but if Christ showed true flesh, and therefore a true death, a true resurrection, true scars, then Mani lied about Christ. And so the difference between me and you in this case is that you chose to believe Mani truthful by believing Christ deceitful, while I chose to believe that Mani lied, about Christ as about other things, rather than that Christ lied about anything, how much more about that on which he placed the hope of believers most of all, that is, his passion and resurrection! For whoever says that when Christ, after what was thought to be his death, appeared to the hesitating disciples who thought they were seeing a spirit, when he said, “Touch my hands and feet and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have,” when he said to one of them who did not believe, “Put your fingers into my side, and do not be unbelieving but believing,” he was showing all this not truthfully but falsely: whoever, I say, says this is not a preacher but an accuser of Christ. But, you say, Mani preaches Christ and calls himself his apostle. That is all the more reason to detest and flee him. For if he said these things as an accuser, he could at least boast himself a lover of truth by exposing another's falsehood; but as it is, unknowingly and incautiously he betrays himself, and shows clearly enough to those who look carefully what he himself does and what he loves, by praising and preaching one who lies. So flee, friend, so great a plague, lest Mani, by deceiving you, want to make you a believer (which cannot happen) of the kind he wants that disciple to seem to have been made by Christ, to whom he said, “Put your fingers into my side, and do not be unbelieving but believing.” For as the sweetest truth understands it, what else did Christ say to the disciple but: touch what I bear, touch what I have borne, touch true flesh, touch the marks of true wounds, touch the true places of the nails, and by believing true things do not be unbelieving but believing? But as the sacrilegious emptiness of Mani understands it, what else did Christ say to the disciple but: touch what I feign, touch my deceit, touch false flesh, touch the deceitful places of false wounds, and do not be unbelieving toward my lying members, so that by believing falsehoods you may be a believer? Such are the believers that Mani, with his whole doctrine of lying demons, has.

Luke 24:37–39 (quotation, high confidence) · John 20:27 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Tim 4:1–2 (allusion, high confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: Augustine answers Secundinus's claim that Christ was only spiritual: it contradicts his hope in Mani, who had flesh, and makes Christ a deceiver in showing his wounds to Thomas, whereas Augustine prefers to believe Mani the liar.

  • Secundinus's words (“We have escaped …”; “Who will save the Punic man?”) are quoted from his letter; “the Persian” is Mani, “the Punic man” Augustine.
  • The Manichaeans held that Christ had no real flesh and did not truly die; Augustine reports and answers this.
  • “[Of the enemy]” is supplied for the sense; the printed sentence is elliptical. The stray capital “A” before “saluatorem” in the digital text is removed.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR slip; OCR slip (quia for quis, as earlier in the section); doubled period; stray hyphen; stray letter; stray period; stray period inside a word): secuti sumus A saluatorem → secuti sumus saluatorem; po. nitis → ponitis; quis igitur. tibi → quis igitur tibi; iudicis,. cum → iudicis, cum; dixisti.. quomodo → dixisti. quomodo; oecidit → occidit; quia Punicum saluabit? → quis Punicum saluabit?; Mani. chaeus → Manichaeus; tales -fideles → tales fideles.

Topics: Christology, Heresy

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Sec. 25 (CSEL 25.2:943–945; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-contra-secundinum/19/#p-25). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Chapter 26

26CSEL 25.2:945–949

Fuge ista, obsecro, non te decipiat species paucitatis, quoniam ipse dominus dixit angustam uiam esse paucorum. inter paucos uis esse, sed pessimos. nam uerum est, quod pauci sunt omni modo innocentes, sed in ipsis nocentibus pauciores sunt homicidae quam fures, pauciores sunt incestatores quam adulteri; denique etiam ipsae antiquorum uel fabulae uel historiae pauciores habent Medeas et Phaedras quam facinorum aliorum flagitiorumque mulieres, pauciores Ochos et Busirides quam inpietatum aliarum et scelerum uiros. uide ergo, ne forte apud uos nimius horror inpietatis faciat meritum paucitatis. talia quippe ibi leguntur, dicuntur, creduntur, ut in illum errorem magis aliquos quam paucos inruere uel illic remanere mirandum sit. sanctorum autem paucitas, quorum angusta uia est, in conparatione ponitur multitudinis peccatorum: quae quidem paucitas in multo maiore numero palearum latet; sed in ipsa area catholicae ecclesiae est nunc congreganda et trituranda. in fine autem uentilanda atque purganda. ad quam te oportet conferas, si fideliter fidelis esse desideras, ne fidendo falsis, sicut scriptum est. uentos pascas, id est, inmundis spiritibus esca fias. si enim Paulus apostolus, quem commemoras, non sicut sapientes ueteris testamenti scripturas totamque illam propheticam dispensationem dictorum atque factorum, sed carnalem Iudaicae propaginis excellentiam et pro synagogis paternae gentis errantibus et Christum non agnoscentibus zelum persequendi christianos, quo tamquam laudabili accendebatur, et iustitiam, quae ex lege est, qua Iudaei non ibi intellecta dei gratia superbe gloriantur, damna et stercora deputauit, ut Christum lucrifaceret: quanto magis tu scripturas illas nefandarum blasphemiarum plenissimas, ubi natura ueritatis, natura summi boni, natura dei totiens mutabilis, totiens uicta, totiens corrupta et ex parte inexplicabiliter inquinata atque ab ipsa ueritate in fine damnanda describitur, non sicut stercora, sed sicut uenena debes abicere et ad ecclesiam catholicam fidemque, quae sicut tanto ante prophetata, ita suo tempore reuelata est, finita contentione transire! Quod ideo tibi loquor, quia mens tua nec natura mali est, quae omnino nulla est, nec natura dei, alioquin incommutabili frustra loquerer; sed quoniam mutata est deserendo deum, et ipsa mutatio eius est malum, mutetur conuersa ad incommutabile bonum in adiutorio ipsius incommutabilis boni, et talis eius mutatio erit a malo liberatio. hanc admonitionem si spernis. duas adhuc credens esse naturas, unam mutabilem boni, quae malo permixta potuit iniustitiae consentire, alteram incommutabilem mali, quae nec bono mixta potuit consentire iustitiae, proximam illam pudendam fabulam garris execrabiles turpesque blasphemias in fornicatione prurientium aurium seminantem ut sis in eorum grege, de quibus praedictum est, quod "erit tempus, quando sanam doctrinam non sustinebunt, sed ad sua desideria coaceruabunt sibi magistros prurientes auribus, et a ueritate quidem auditum suum auertentes, ad fabulas autem conuertentur." si autem hanc admonitionem prudenter accipis conuersus ad incommutabilem deum. mutatione laudabili fies in eis, de quibus dicit apostolus: fuistis aliquando tenebrae, nunc autem lux in domino. quod nec dei naturae dici posset, quia numquam fuit mala et digna isto nomine tenebrarum, nec naturae mali. quae si esset, numquam posset mutari nec lux fieri; sed recte ac ueraciter hoc dictum est ei naturae, quae incommutabilis non est, sed deserto incommutabili lumine, a quo facta est, obtenebratur in se; ad illud autem conuersa fit lux non in se, sed in domino. non enim a se ipsa, quoniam non est lumen uerum, sed inluminata lucet ab illo, de quo dictum est: erat lumen uerum, quod inluminat omnem hominem uenientem in hunc mundum. hoc crede, hoc intellege, hoc tene, si uis esse bonus participatione incommutabilis boni, quod non potes esse per te: quod nec amittere, si incommutabiliter hoc esses, nec recipere posses, si incommutabiliter hoc non esses.

Flee these things, I beg you; let not the appearance of being few deceive you, since the Lord himself said that the narrow way belongs to few. You want to be among the few, but the worst. For it is true that few are wholly innocent; but among the guilty themselves there are fewer murderers than thieves, fewer committers of incest than adulterers; and indeed the very fables or histories of the ancients have fewer Medeas and Phaedras than women of other crimes and outrages, fewer men like Ochus and Busiris than men of other impieties and crimes. See, then, that among you it is not the excessive horror of impiety that makes the merit of fewness. For such things are read, said, and believed there that it is a wonder that any, rather than few, rush into that error or remain in it. But the fewness of the saints, whose way is narrow, is set in comparison with the multitude of sinners; this fewness lies hidden among a much greater number of chaff, but on the very threshing floor of the catholic Church it is now to be gathered and threshed, and at the end to be winnowed and cleansed. To it you must betake yourself, if you desire to be faithfully a believer, lest, trusting in falsehoods, as it is written, you feed the winds, that is, become food for unclean spirits. For if the apostle Paul, whom you mention, counted as loss and dung, in order to gain Christ, not, as the wise do, the Scriptures of the Old Testament and that whole prophetic arrangement of words and deeds, but the fleshly excellence of Jewish descent, and the zeal to persecute Christians on behalf of the synagogues of his ancestral nation, which were straying and did not recognize Christ (a zeal by which he was inflamed as if it were praiseworthy), and the righteousness which is from the law, in which the Jews, not understanding God's grace there, proudly boast: how much more ought you to cast away, not as dung but as poison, those scriptures most full of abominable blasphemies, in which the nature of truth, the nature of the supreme good, the nature of God is described as so often changeable, so often conquered, so often corrupted, and in part inextricably defiled and at the end to be condemned by the truth itself; and, contention ended, pass over to the catholic Church and faith, which, as it was prophesied so long before, so was revealed in its own time! I say this to you because your mind is neither the nature of evil, which is nothing at all, nor the nature of God, otherwise I would speak in vain to something unchangeable; but since it has been changed by deserting God, and that change of it is evil, let it be changed, turned to the unchangeable good, with the help of that unchangeable good itself, and such a change of it will be deliverance from evil. If you spurn this admonition, still believing that there are two natures, one, a changeable nature of good, which, mingled with evil, could consent to injustice, the other, an unchangeable nature of evil, which, though mingled with good, could not consent to justice, then you are babbling that shameful fable just mentioned, which sows execrable and foul blasphemies in the fornication of itching ears, so that you may be in the flock of those of whom it was foretold that “the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires will heap up for themselves teachers, having itching ears, and will turn away their hearing from the truth and turn aside to fables.” But if you receive this admonition wisely, turned to the unchangeable God, by a praiseworthy change you will be among those of whom the apostle says: “For you were once darkness, but now light in the Lord.” This could not be said of the nature of God, because it was never evil and deserving of the name of darkness, nor of the nature of evil, which, if it existed, could never be changed and become light; but it was rightly and truly said of that nature which is not unchangeable, but, having deserted the unchangeable light by which it was made, is darkened in itself, and, turned back to it, becomes light not in itself but in the Lord. For it does not shine of itself, since it is not the true light, but shines illuminated by him of whom it was said: “He was the true light, which illuminates every man coming into this world.” Believe this, understand this, hold this, if you wish to be good by participation in the unchangeable good, which you cannot be by yourself; which you could neither lose, if you were it unchangeably, nor receive again, if you were not it unchangeably.

Matt 7:14 (allusion, high confidence) · Matt 3:12 (allusion, high confidence) · Prov 10:4 (quotation, low confidence) · Phil 3:5–8 (allusion, high confidence) · 2 Tim 4:3–4 (quotation, high confidence) · Eph 5:8 (quotation, high confidence) · John 1:9 (quotation, high confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: Augustine urges Secundinus not to take pride in the Manichaeans' small numbers, to cast away their scriptures as poison as Paul counted his Jewish privileges loss, and to turn to the unchangeable God who alone can make darkness light.

  • Medea and Phaedra are figures of Greek tragedy; Ochus (Artaxerxes III) and Busiris were proverbial for cruelty.
  • “Feed the winds” is Prov 10:4 in the Old Latin/Vulgate addition (“qui nititur mendaciis, hic pascit uentos”), a text not in the Hebrew.
  • “Fornication of itching ears” is Augustine's figure for spiritual infidelity.
  • Augustine's remarks on the Jews' boasting in the law are given as written.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR slip; stray period): ecclesiae eat nunc → ecclesiae est nunc; prophetata., ita → prophetata, ita.

Topics: Heresy

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Sec. 26 (CSEL 25.2:945–949; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-contra-secundinum/19/#p-26). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude (Opus) from the Latin of Zycha (CSEL 25, 1891–92); no public-domain English translation exists, so each batch was re-read against the Latin.