On Free Choice of the Will 2.7–2.10
Latin text: Migne, PL 32 (Latin text: Migne, Patrologia Latina, digitized by Open Greek and Latin (patrologia_latina-dev, University of Leipzig), CC BY-SA 4.0).English: Claude (claude-opus-5-5), public domain (CC0).
Chapter 2
2.7PL 32:1243–1244
A. Faciam: sed prius quæro utrum sensus cor poris mous idcm sit qui tuus, an vero meus non sit nisi incus, ct tuus non sit nisi tuus; quod si non ita esset, non possem per oculos meos vidcre aliquid, quod tu non vidcres. E. Concedo prorsus, quamvis ejusdem generis, tamen singulos nos habere sensus, videndi, vel audiendi, vel quoslibet alios cæterorum. Non enim solum videre, sed etiam audire potest ali qnis hominum quod alius non audiat, et aliud aliquid quolibet alio sensu quisquam sentire quod alius non sentiat Undc manifestum est et tuum nonnisi tuum, et meum sensum non esse nisi meum. A. Hoc idem respoudcbis de illo ctiam sensu interiore? an aliquid aliud? E. Nihil sane aliud. Nam et ille utique sensum incum sentit meus, et tuum sentit tuus: nam ideo plerumque interrogor ab eo qui aliquid videt, utrum hoc etiam ego videam, quia ego me videre aut non vidcre sentio, non ille qui interrogat. A. Quid? ipsam rationem nonne unusquisque nostrum hahet suam? quandoquidem fieri potest ut ego aliquid intelligam, cum tu id non intelligis; nec utrum intelligam tu scire possis, ego autem sciam. E. Manifestum est etiam ra tionales mentes singulos quosque nostrum singulas habere. A. Num etiam poteris dicere singulos soles nns habere quos videmus, aut lunas, aut luciferos, aut cætera hujusmodi, quamvis suo quisque ac proprio sensu ista videat? E. Nullo modo istud dixerim. A. Possumus ergo videre unum aliquid multi simul, cum sint sensus nostri nobis singulis singuli, quibus olnnihus illud unum sentimus quod simul videmus; ut quamvis alius sensus meus sit, et alius tuus, pos sit tamen fieri ut id quod vidcmus, non sit aliud meum, aliud tuum; sed illud unum præsto sit utri que nostrum ct siinul ab utroque videatur. E. Mani festissimum est. A. Possumus etiam un:mi aliqnam vocem simul audire, ut quamvis alius sit audinus meus, alius tuus, non sit tamen alia mca, ct alia tua vox qnam simul audimus, vel alia pars ejus an diiu meo capiatur, et alia tuo, sed quidquid sonue rit, et unum ei totum audiendum simul adsit ambo bus. E. Et hoc manifestum est. A. Jam etiam de caeteris sensibus corporis Ii cct animadvertas quod dicimus, neque omnino illos, qnod ad hanc rem attinet, ita se habere ut il os duos oculorum et aurium, neque omnino non ita. Nam quia ex uno aere et cgo et tu possumus implere spiramentum, et ejus aeris affectionem odore sentire: et item quia ex uno melle, vel quolibet alio cibo seu potu ambo gustare possumus, et ejus affectionem sa poro sentire, quamvis ille unus sit, nostri antem sint sensus singuli, tibi tuus et mihi meus; ut anam odorem vel unum saporem cum ambo sentiamus, occ in tamen cum meo sensu sentias, nec ego tuo, nec aliquo uno qui utriusque nostrum possit esse communiter, sed prorsus mihi meus sensus sit, et tuus tibi, etiamsi unus aut odor, aut sapor ab utro que sentiatur: hinc ergo isti sensus inveniuntur ha. bere aliquid tale, qualc ilii duo in visu et auditu: sed in eo dispares sunt, quantum ad id quod nunc agimus pertinet, quod ctsi unum acrem naribns ambo trahimus, aut unum cibum gustando capimus; non tamen eam partem acris duco quam tu, nec eam dem partem cibi sumo quam tu, sed aliam ego, aliam tu: et idco de toto acre cum spiro,,duco partem quanta milii satis cst, ct tu itcm de toto aliam quanta libi satis est ducis: et cibus quamvis unus et tolus ab utroque absumatur, non tamen ct a nic to tus, et a te totus absumi potest, quomodo verbum et ego totum audio, et tu totum simul, et speciem quamlibet quantam ego video, tantam et tu simul; sed cibi vel potionis alia pars in rnc, alia in le trans eat necesse cst: an parum ista intelligis? E. Imo vero apertissima et certissima esse consentio. A. Num censes tangendi sensum comparandum esse oculorum et aurium sensibus in ea re de qua nunc agitur; quia non solum corpus unum ambo pos sumus sentire tangendo, sed etiam eamdem partem in quoque poteris tangere quam ego tetigero, ut non so lum idem corpus, sed eamdem quoque corporis par tom possimus ambo sentire tangendo? Non enim sic uti cibum aliquem appositum non possumus et ego totum et tu totum capere, cum ambo illo vescimur, sic etiam in tangendo accidit: sed et unum et totum quod ego tetigero, etiam tu potes, ut id ambo tanga mus, non singulis partibus, sed totum singuli. E. Fateor hoc modo duobus illis superioribus sensibus, hunc tangendi sensum csse simillimum: sed in hoc vidco esse dissimilem, quod simul, id cst uno tem pure, et videre aliquid unum totum ambo possumus et audire; tangere autem possumus quidem totum aliquid ambo uno tempore, sed partibus singulis, eamdem autem partem nonnisi temporibus singulis: nam nulli parti quam factu capis, possum meum ta etum admovere, nisi tu amoveris tuum. A. Vigilantissime respondisti: sed. oportet te etiam illud videre, cnm horum omnium quae senti mus, alia sint quae ambo, alia quae singuli sentia mus; ipsos vero sensus nostros suos quiaque sin guli sentiamus ut neque ego sentiam sensum tuum, neque tu meum, quod de his rebus quae sentiuntur a nobis per corporis sensus, id est quod de corporali bus rebus non possumus sentire ambo, sed singuli, nisi quod ita fit nostrum ut hoc in nos vertere, et commutare possimus, sicuti est cibus et potus, cujus nullam partem quam ego percepero, et tu percipere poteris: quia et si nutrices alimenta manSa infantibus reddunt, illud tamen quod inde gustatus rapuerit at que in mandentis viscera commutaverit, nullo modo revocari poterit ut in escam refundatur infantis. Gula onim cum aliquid jucunde sapit, etiamsi exiguam, ta men irrevocabilem partem sibi vindicat, et hoc cogit fieri quod naturæ corporis convenit: qnod nisi ita es set; nullus remaneret sapor in ore posteaquam rue. rint mansa illa reddita atque desputa. Quod ctiam de aeris partibus recte dici potest, quos naribus duci mus: nam etiamsi aliquid acris quod ego reddidero, possis etiam tu ducere, non tamen potcris ctiam i!- Ind, quod inde in alimentum mcum cesserit; quia nec reddi potest. Nani etiam naribus alimentum nos rapere medici docent: quod alimentum ct spirando solus sentire possum, et reflando restituere non pos sum, ut abs te etiam ductum nnribus sentiatur. Nam cætera sensibilia quæ quamvis sentiamus, non tamen ea sentiendo in nostrum corpus corrupta mutamus, possumus ea, sive uno tempore, sive singulis vicis sim temporibus ambo sentire, sicut vcl totum vel pars ipsa quam senlio, abs te etiam sentiatur; qualia sunt, sive lux, sive sonus, sive corpora quæ attin ginius, non tamen lædimus. E. Intelligo. A. Manife stum est ergo ca quæ non commutamus et tamen sen limus corporis sensibus, et non pertinere ad naturam scusuum nostrorum, et propterea magis nobis esse communia, quia in nostrum proprium et quasi pri vatum non vertuntur atque mutantur. E. Prorsus as sentior. A. Proprium ergo et quasi privatum intelli gendum cst, quod unicuique nostrum soli est, et quod in se solus sentit, quod ad suam naturam pro pric pertinet: commune autem et quasi publicum, quod ab omnibus sentientibus nulla sui corruptione atque commutatione sentitur. E. Ita est.
A. I will. But first I ask whether my bodily sense is the same as yours, or whether mine is only mine and yours only yours; if it were not so, I could not see anything with my eyes that you did not see. E. I fully grant that, though they are of the same kind, we each have our own senses, of seeing or hearing or any of the others. For a person can not only see but also hear what another does not hear, and perceive by any other sense something that another does not perceive. Hence it is evident that your sense is only yours and mine only mine. A. Will you give the same answer about that inner sense too, or a different one? E. No different one, surely. For my inner sense perceives my sense, and yours perceives yours. That is why I am often asked by someone who sees something whether I see it too: because it is I who perceive that I see or do not see, not the one who asks. A. Well, does not each of us have his own reason? For it can happen that I understand something when you do not understand it, and you cannot know whether I understand, while I know. E. It is evident that each of us has his own rational mind. A. Can you also say that each of us has his own suns that we see, or moons, or morning stars, or other such things, although each sees them with his own sense? E. In no way would I say that. A. So many of us can see one thing at once, although each of us has his own senses, by all of which we perceive that one thing which we see at once; so that although my sense is one and yours another, it can still be that what we see is not one thing that is mine and another that is yours, but that one thing is present to each of us and is seen by both at once. E. That is most evident. A. We can also hear one voice at once, so that, although my hearing is one and yours another, the voice that we hear at once is not one voice that is mine and another that is yours, nor is one part of it caught by my hearing and another by yours, but whatever has sounded is present whole and one, to be heard by both at once. E. That too is evident. A. Now you may also notice about the other senses of the body what we are saying: that, as regards this matter, they are neither entirely like those two of the eyes and ears, nor entirely unlike them. For you and I can fill our breath from one air and perceive the quality of that air by smell; and likewise we can both taste from one honey, or any other food or drink, and perceive its quality by taste, although it is one while our senses are each our own, yours to you and mine to me. So, when we both perceive one odor or one flavor, you do not perceive it with my sense, nor I with yours, nor with any one sense that could be common to us both; my sense is wholly mine and yours yours, even if one odor or flavor is perceived by both. In this respect these senses are found to have something like those two, sight and hearing; but they are unlike in this, as regards what we are now dealing with, that although we both draw one air through our nostrils, or take one food in tasting, yet I do not draw the same part of the air as you, nor take the same part of the food as you, but I take one part and you another. So when I breathe, I draw from the whole air the part that is enough for me, and you likewise draw from the whole another part, as much as is enough for you. And although one whole food is consumed by both, it cannot be consumed whole by me and whole by you, in the way that I hear a whole word and you hear the whole at the same time, and see any appearance just as large as I see it at the same time. With food or drink, one part must pass into me and another into you. Or do you not understand this well enough? E. On the contrary, I agree that it is most plain and certain. A. Do you think the sense of touch is to be compared with the senses of the eyes and ears in the matter now in question, since we can both perceive by touching not only one body, but you can also touch the same part that I have touched, so that we can both perceive by touch not only the same body but also the same part of the body? For it is not with touching as with some food set before us, which you and I cannot each take whole when we both eat it; one whole thing that I have touched you can touch too, so that we both touch it, not each a separate part, but each the whole. E. I admit that in this way the sense of touch is very like those two earlier senses; but I see that it is unlike them in this, that we can both see and hear one whole thing at once, that is, at the same time, whereas we can both touch some whole thing at the same time only with separate parts, and the same part only at separate times. For I cannot bring my touch to any part that you are holding by touch unless you have taken yours away. A. You have answered most alertly. But you must also see this. Of all the things that we perceive, some we perceive both together and others each alone, while our senses themselves each of us perceives as his own, so that I do not perceive your sense nor you mine. Of the things perceived by us through the senses of the body, that is, of bodily things, the only thing that we cannot both perceive, but only each alone, is what so becomes ours that we can turn it into ourselves and change it, as food and drink are; no part of which that I have taken in can you take in as well. For even if nurses give chewed food back to infants, what the taste has seized from it and changed into the body of the one chewing can in no way be called back to be poured out again as the infant's food. When the palate enjoys some flavor, it claims for itself a part, small but irrecoverable, and makes it become what suits the nature of the body; if this were not so, no flavor would remain in the mouth after the chewed food had been given back and spat out. The same can rightly be said of the parts of the air that we draw through our nostrils. Even if you can breathe some air that I have breathed out, you cannot also breathe that part of it which has gone into my nourishment, because it cannot be given back. For physicians teach that we take nourishment even through the nostrils; and this nourishment I alone can perceive by breathing in, and cannot restore by breathing out so that it may be perceived also by you when you draw it in. As for the other sensible things, which we perceive without changing them by perceiving, corrupting them into our body, we can both perceive them, either at one time or at separate times in turn, so that either the whole or the very part that I perceive is perceived by you too; such are light, or sound, or bodies that we touch without damaging them. E. I understand. A. It is evident, then, that the things which we do not change and yet perceive by the senses of the body do not belong to the nature of our senses, and are therefore more common to us, because they are not turned and changed into what is our own and, as it were, private. E. I fully agree. A. So by “one's own” and, as it were, private, we must understand what belongs to each of us alone, which he alone perceives in himself, and which belongs properly to his own nature; by “common” and, as it were, public, what is perceived by all who perceive it without any corruption or change of itself. E. So it is.
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Summary: Each person has his own senses and reason, yet many can perceive the same light, sound, or body without changing it; such things are common and public, while what we consume becomes private.
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- Digital text corrected (OCR slip in the speaker mark; OCR slips; footnote number leaked into the text; footnote sign leaked into the text): absumatur 1 non → absumatur, non; £• Fateor hoc modo → E. Fateor hoc modo; et hoc cogit nen qnod → et hoc cogit fieri quod; £. Prorsus as → E. Prorsus as; soli est ł, → soli est,.
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Lib. arb. 2.7 (PL 32:1243–1244; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-libero-arbitrio/2-7/#p-2-7). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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2.8PL 32:1244–1245
A. Age, nunc attende, et dic mibi utrum in veniatur aliquid quod omnes ratiocinantes sua quis que ratione atque mente communiter videant, cum illud quod videtur præsto sit omnibus, nee in usnm corum quibus præsto est commutctur, quasi ci hus nuL potio, sed incorruptum integrumque per maneat, sive illi videant, sive non vidcant: an forte nihil hujusmodi esse arbitraris? E. Imo multa esse video; e quibus unum commemorari satis est, quod ra io et vcritas numcri omnibus ratiocinantibus præsto est, nt oinnis cam computator sua quisque ratione et intelligentia conetur apprehenderc; et alius id facilius, alius difdcilius possit, alius omnino non possit: cum tamen ipsa xqualiter omnibus se pra beat valentibus eam capere; nec cum eam quisque percipit, in sui perceptoris quasi alimentum vertatur atque mutetur; nec cum in ea quisque fallitur, ipsa deficiat, sed ea vera et integra permanente, ille in prrorc sit tanto amplius, quanto minus cam videt. A. Recte sane; sed vidco te tanquam non ru dem harum rerum cito invenisse quod diceres: ta men, si tibi aliquis diceret numeros istos non ex aliqua sua natura, sed ex iis rebus quas sensu cor poris attingimus, impressos esse animo nostro quasi quasdam imagines quo umque visibilium; quid re sponderes? an tu quoqne id putas? E. Nullo modo id putavcrim: non enim si sensu corporis percepi numeros, idcirco etiam rationem partitionis nume rorum vel copulationis sensu corporis percipere po lui. Hac enim luce mentis refello eum, quisquis vet in addendo vel in retrahendo dum computat falsam summam rcnuntiavcrit. Et quidquid sensu corporis tango, veluti est hoc cœlum et hæc terra, et quæ cumque in eis alia corpora sentio, quamdiu futura sint nescio: septem autem et tria decem sunt; ei non solum nunc, sed etiam semper; neque ullo modo nliquando septem et tria non fuerunt decem, aut ali quando septem et tria non erunt decem. Hanc ergo incorruptibilem numeri veritatem, dixi mibi et cui libet ratiocinanti esse communem. A. Non rcsisto tibi verissima et certissima re spondenti. Sed ipsos quoque numeros non per corpo ris sensus attractos esse facile videbis, si cogitaveris quemlibet numerum tot vocari quoties unum habue rit: verbi gratia, si bis habuerit unum, duo vo cantur; si ter, tria; et si decies unum habent, tunc vocantur decem: ct quilibet omnino nu merus quoties habet unum, hinc illi nomen est, ct tot appellatur. Unum vero quisquis verissime co gitat, profecto invenit corporis sensibus non posse sentiri. Quidquid enim tali sensu aUingitor, jam non unum, sed multa esse convincitur: corpus est enim, et ideo habet innumerabiles partes. Sed ut minutas qua que minusque articulatas non per sequar, quantulumcumque illud corpusculum sit, haLet ccrtc aliam partem dexteram, aliam sinistram; aliam superiorem, aliam inferiorem; aut aliam ulteriorem, aliam citeriorem; aut alias finales, aliam media...: hæc enim necesse est quamlibet exiguo cor poris modulo inesse fatcamur; et propterea nullum corpus vere pureque unum esse concedimus, in quo tamen non possent tam multa numerari nisi illius unius cognitione discreta. Cum enim quæro unum in corpore, et me non invenire non dubito, novi utique quid ibi quaeram, ot quid ibi non inveniam, et non posse inveniri, vel potius omnino ibi non esse. Ubi ergo novi quod non est corpus unum, quid sit unum nori: unum enim si non nossem, multa in corpore numerare non possem. Ubicumque autem unum noverim, non utique per corporis sensum novi; quia per corporis sensum non novi nisi corpus, quod vcre purcque unum non esse convincimus. Porro si unum non percepimus corporis sensu, nul lum numerum eo sensu percepimus, eorum duntaxat numcrorum quos intelligentia cernimus. Nullus enim cat ex iis, qui non tot vocetur, quoties habet unum, eojus perceptio corporis sensu non fit. Cujuslibet enim corpusculi pars dimidia quantis duabus totum constat, habet et ipsa dimidiatn suam. Sic ergo sunt illae duae partes in corpore, ut nec ipsae simpliciter dux sint. Numcrus autem ille qui vocatur duo, quo niam bis habet illud quod simpliciter unum est, pars, ejus dimidia, id est illud ipsum quod simpliciter unum est, non potest rursus habere dimidiam partem vel tertium, vel quotamlibet, quoniam simplex et vere unum est. Dcindo quoniam tenentes ordinem numerorum, post unum duo videmus, qui numerus ad unum col latus, duplus invenitur: duplus duorum non conse quenter adjungitur, sed interposito ternario quater narius sequitur, qui duplus est duorum. Et hæc ratio per omnes cæteros numeros certissima et incommu tabili lege pertenditur, ut post unum, ill est post primum omnium numerorum, ipso excepto primus sit qui duplum ejus habet; duo enim sequuntur. Post secundum autem, id est post duo, ipso excepto se cundus sil qui duplum I'jus hahet: post duo eniin primus est ternarius, secundus quaternarius, duplus secundi. Post tertium, id cst ternarium, ipso excepto tertius sit qui duplus est cjus: post tertium enim, id est post ternarium primus est quaternarius, secundus quinarius, tertius senarius, qui duplus est tertii. At que ita post quartum, ipso excepto quartus habel du plum ejus: post quartum enim, id est quaternarium primus est quinarius, secundus senarius, tertius se plenarius, quartus octonarius, qui duplex est quarti. Al'lue ita per omnes c:cteros reperies hoc quod in prima copula numerorum, id est uno et duobus inven tum est, ut quotus quisque numerus est ab ipso prin cipio, totus post illum sit duplus ejus Hoc ergo quod per omnes numeros esse immobile firmum incorru ptumque conspicimus, unde couspicimus? Nou enim ullus ullo sensu corporis omnes numeros attingit; innumerabiles enim sunt: unde ergo novimus per omnes hoc esse, aut qua phantasia vel phantasmate tam certa veritas numeri per innumerabilia tam fidenter, nisi in luce interiore conspicitur, quam corporalis sensus ignorat? ilis et talibus multus documentis coguntur fa teri, quibus di putantibus Deus donavit ingenium, et pertinacia caliginem nun obducit, rationem verita temque numerorum, et ad sensus corporis non per tincre, et invrrtibilem sinceramque consistere, et omnibus ratiocinantibus ad videndum esse commu nem. Quapropter cum nulla alia possint occurrere, quæ communiter et tanquam publice præsto suut ra tiocinantibus, et ab eis videantur mente atque ratione si gulorum quorumque cernentium, eaque inviolata et incommutabilia mancant; non tamen invitus accepe rim quod ista ratio et veritas numeri libi potissimum occurrerit, cum ad id quod interrogavcram, respon dere voluisses: non enim frustra in sanctis Libris sapientiæ conjunctus est numerus, ubi dictum est: Circuivi ego et cor meum, ut scirem, et considcrarem, et quœrerem sapientiam et numerum.
A. Come now, pay attention, and tell me whether anything can be found that all who reason see in common, each with his own reason and mind; something such that what is seen is present to all, and is not changed for the use of those to whom it is present, as food or drink is, but remains uncorrupted and whole whether they see it or not. Or do you perhaps think there is nothing of this kind? E. On the contrary, I see there are many such things, of which it is enough to mention one: the rule and truth of number is present to all who reason, so that every calculator tries to grasp it, each with his own reason and understanding. One can do it more easily, another with more difficulty, another not at all, though it offers itself equally to all who are able to take it in. When anyone perceives it, it is not turned and changed into a kind of nourishment for the one who perceives it; and when anyone is mistaken about it, it does not fail, but while it remains true and whole, he is the more in error the less he sees it. A. Quite right. I see that, as one not unfamiliar with these matters, you have quickly found what to say. Yet if someone told you that these numbers were impressed on our mind not from some nature of their own but from the things that we touch by the bodily sense, as images, so to speak, of visible things, what would you answer? Or do you think so too? E. I would in no way think so. For even if I perceived numbers by the bodily sense, I could not therefore also perceive by the bodily sense the rule of dividing or joining numbers. It is by this light of the mind that I refute anyone who, in calculating, reports a false total, whether in adding or in subtracting. And whatever I touch by the bodily sense, such as this sky and this earth and whatever other bodies I perceive in them, I do not know how long it will last; but seven and three are ten, and not only now but always; and there has never been a time when seven and three were not ten, nor will there ever be a time when seven and three are not ten. So I have said that this incorruptible truth of number is common to me and to anyone who reasons. A. I do not resist you, since your answer is most true and certain. But you will easily see that numbers themselves too were not drawn in through the senses of the body, if you consider that any number is called by as many units as it contains. For example, if it contains one twice, it is called two; if three times, three; and if they contain one ten times, then they are called ten; and absolutely any number has its name from the number of times it contains one, and is called so many. But whoever thinks most truly about one surely finds that it cannot be perceived by the senses of the body. For whatever is touched by such a sense is shown to be not one but many; for it is a body, and therefore has countless parts. Not to pursue the tiny and less distinct parts, however small that little body may be, it certainly has one part on the right and another on the left, one above and another below, one farther and another nearer, or parts at the ends and a part in the middle; for we must admit that these are present in any body, however small its measure. And so we grant that no body is truly and purely one; yet so many things could not be counted in it unless they were distinguished by knowledge of that one. For when I look for one in a body and have no doubt that I do not find it, I certainly know what I am looking for there and what I do not find, and that it cannot be found there, or rather that it is not there at all. So where I know that a body is not one, I know what one is; for if I did not know one, I could not count many in a body. And wherever I know one, I surely do not know it through the sense of the body; for through the sense of the body I know only body, which we have shown is not truly and purely one. Further, if we have not perceived one by the sense of the body, we have perceived no number by that sense, at least of those numbers that we discern by understanding. For there is none of them that is not called by as many units as it contains, and one is not perceived by the sense of the body. The half of any little body, of which two make up the whole, itself has its own half. So those two parts are in the body in such a way that they are not simply two. But the number called two contains twice that which is simply one; and its half, that is, that very thing which is simply one, cannot in turn have a half or a third or any fraction, since it is simple and truly one. Then, keeping the order of numbers, we see two after one, and this number, compared with one, is found to be double. The double of two is not added next, but with three in between, four follows, which is the double of two. And this rule extends through all the other numbers by a most certain and unchangeable law: after one, that is, after the first of all numbers, leaving itself aside, the first number is the one that is its double, for two follows. After the second, that is, after two, leaving itself aside, the second is the one that is its double; for after two the first is three, the second four, the double of the second. After the third, that is, three, leaving itself aside, the third is its double; for after the third, that is, after three, the first is four, the second five, the third six, which is double the third. And so after the fourth, leaving itself aside, the fourth is its double; for after the fourth, that is, four, the first is five, the second six, the third seven, the fourth eight, which is double the fourth. And so through all the rest you will find what was found in the first pair of numbers, one and two: that whatever place a number has from the very beginning, the number that same distance after it is its double. This, then, which we see to be unmoved, firm, and incorrupt through all numbers: from where do we see it? For no one touches all numbers by any sense of the body, since they are innumerable. How, then, do we know that this holds through all of them? By what image or phantasm is so certain a truth of number seen so confidently through innumerable instances, unless it is seen in an inner light of which the bodily sense knows nothing? By these and many such proofs, those to whom God has given ability in argument, and whom obstinacy does not cover with darkness, are compelled to confess that the rule and truth of numbers does not belong to the senses of the body, that it stands unchangeable and pure, and that it is common to all who reason, for them to see. Therefore, although many other things could occur to one that are present in common and, as it were, publicly to those who reason, and are seen by them with the mind and reason of each one who discerns them, while remaining inviolate and unchangeable, I am not displeased that this rule and truth of number occurred to you above all when you wanted to answer what I had asked. For not in vain is number joined to wisdom in the holy books, where it is said: “I went round, I and my heart, to know and to consider and to seek wisdom and number.”
Eccl 7:25 (7:26 Vulg.) (quotation, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: Evodius offers the unchangeable truth of number as something common to all minds; Augustine shows that numbers, built from the unit, which no body truly is, are known not through the senses but in an inner light.
- Eccl 7:25 is quoted in the Old Latin form based on the Septuagint, which reads “number” (Greek psēphos, “reckoning”) where the Vulgate has “reason” (ratio).
- The digital text reads “cum nulla alia possint occurrere”; the sense requires “multa” (“many other things”), and it is translated so.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR slip; footnote number leaked into the text; stray mark in the digital text): nisi illitis unius → nisi illius unius; numeri veritatem 1, dixi → numeri veritatem, dixi; corporalis £ensus → corporalis sensus; Circuivi ego et cor meum!, → Circuivi ego et cor meum,.
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Lib. arb. 2.8 (PL 32:1244–1245; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-libero-arbitrio/2-7/#p-2-8). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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2.9PL 32:1245–1246
Verumtamen, quæso te, quid de ipsa sapientia putas existimandum? Singulas quasque suas arbitra ris singulos quosque homines habere sapientias? an vero unam præsto esse communitcr omnibus, cujus quanto magis quisque fit particeps, tanto est sapien tior? E. Quam dicas sapientiam nondum scio; video quippe varie videri hominibus, quid fiat dicaturve sa pienter: nam et qui militant, sapienter sibi facere videntur; et qui contempta militia colendo agro CII ram atque operam impendunt, hoc potius laudant, tribuuntque sapientiæ; ct qui astuti sunt ad excogi tandos modos conquirendæ pecuniæ, sibi videntur esse sapientes; et qui hæc omnia negligunt vel abji ciunt, et quæque sunt hujusmodi temporalia, et totum studium suum ad investigationem conferunt veritatis, ut semetipsos Deumque cognoscant, magnum hoc esse sapientiæ munus judicant; et qni huic otio quærendi ei contemplandi veri nolunt se dedere, sed potius la horiosissimis curis ct officiis agunt, III hominibus con sulant, et in rerum humanarum juste moderandarum et gubernandarum actione versantur, sapientes se esse arbitrantur; et qui utrumque horum agu. I, el parlim vivunt in contemplatione veritatis, partim in laboribus officiosis, quos humana; societati deberi pu tant, sibi palmam sapicnliae tenere videntur. Qmitto innumerabiles sectas, quarum nulla est quæ non se ctatores suos præponens cæteris, eos solos velit esse sapientes. Quamobrem cum id nunc agatur inter nos, ut non quid credamus respondendum sit, sed quid di lucida intelligentia teneamus, nullo modo ad id tibi quod interrogasti respondere potero, nisi quod ere dendo teneo, contemplando etiam et ratione cernendo noverim, quæ sit ipsa sapientia. A. Num aliam putas esse sapientiam nisi veri tatem, in qua cernitur et tenetur summum bonum? Nam illi omnes quos commemorasti diversa sectantes, Lonum appetunt, et malum fugiunt; sed propterea diversa sectantur, quod aliud alii videtur bonum. Quisquis ergo appetit quod appetendum non crat, tametsi id non appeteret nisi ei videretur bonum, cr rat tamen. Errarc autem neque ille potest qui nihil appetit, neque ille qui hoc appetit quod debet appe tere. In quantum igitur omnes homines appetunt, vitam beatam, non crrant. In quantum autem quis que non eam tenet vitæ viam quæ ducit ad beatitudi nem, cum se fateatur et profiteatur nolle nisi ad bea titudinem pervenire, in tantum errat. Error est enim, cum sequimur aliquid quod non ad id ducit que volu mus pervenire. Et quanto magis invia vitæ quis er-. rat, tanto minus sapit. Tanto euim magis longe est a veritate, in qua cernitur et leuclur summum bonum. Summo autem bono assecuto et adepto, beatus quis que fit; quod omnes sine controversia volumus. Ut ergo constat nos beatos esse velle, ila nos constat velle esse sapientes; quia nemo sinc sapientia beatui est. Nemo enim beatus est, nisi summo bono, quod in ea veritate, qnam sapientiam vocamus, cernitur et tenetur. Sicut ergo antequam beati simus, mentibus tamen nostris impressa cst notio bcatilalis; per nanc enim scimus, fidenterque, cl sinc ulla dubuatione di cimus beatos nos esse velle: ita Etiam priusquam sa pientes simus, sapientiæ notionem in mente habemus impressam, per quamunusquisque nostrum si inter. rogeiur velitue esse sapiens, sine ulla caligine dubi tationis se vellc respondet. Quare si jam constat inter nos quae sit sapicn iia, quam fortasse verbis explicare non poteras nam si eam nullo modo animo cerneres, nullo modo scires et velletc essc sapientem et velle debere,quod tc ne gaturum esse non arbitror), volo jam dicas mihi, utrum eliam sapicnliam, sicut numcri rationem atque veritaem omnibus ratiocinantibus communem sc præ here arbitreris; an quoniam tot sunt mentes homi num quot homines sunt, unde nec ego de tua mente aliquid cerno, nec tu de mea, tot etiam putes esse sapientias, quot potuerint esse sapientes. E. Si sum mMm bonum omnibus unum est, oportet etiam vcri tatem in qua cernitur et tenetur, id est sapientiam, omnibus unam esse communem. A. Dubitas autem summum bonum, quidquid illud est, omnibus hom: nibus unum esse? E. Dubito sane, quia diversos di versis rebus gaudere video tanquam summis bonis suis. A. Vellem quidem, ut de summo bono ita nemo dubitaret, ut nemo dubitat quidquid illud est, non nisi co adepto posse fieri hominem bcatum. Sed quo niam magna quæstio est, et longum sermonem forte desidcral, putemus omnino tut summa bona esse, quot sunt ipsas res diversæ quæ a diversis tanquam summa bona appetuntur: num ideo sequitur, ut ipsa sapientia etiam non sit una communis omnibus, quia cn bona, quæ in illa cernunt et cligunt homines, multa et diversa sunt? Si enim boc putas, potes et de luce solis dubitare quod una sit, quia multa et di versa sunt, quæ in. ea cernimus. De quibus multis ele git quisque pro voluntate quo fruatur per oculorum sensum: et alius altitudinem montis alicujus intuetur libenter, ct eo gaudet aspectu; alius campi planitiem, alius convexa vallium, alius nemorum viriditatem, alius mobilem æqualitatem maris, alius hæc omnia. vel quædam horum simul pulchra confert ad lætitiam v idendi. Sicut ergo ista multa ct diversa sunt, quæ in luce solis homines vident et eligunt ad frucndum, lux tamen ipsa una est, in qua vidct et tenet quo fruatur uniuscujusque intuentis aspectus: ita, etiamsi multa sunt bona eaque diversa, e quibus elidat quisque quod volet, idque videndo et tenendo ad fruendum sum inum sibi bonum recte vereque constituat; fieri ta men potest ut lux ipsa sapientiæ, in qua hxc videri et teneri possunt, omnibus sapientibus sit una commu nis. E. Fatcor fieri posse, nec impedire aliquid, ut non sit omnibus communis una sapientia, etiamsi niulta et diversa siut summa bona: sed vellem scire an ita sit. Quod enim concedimus fieri posse ut ita sit, non continuo ita esse concedimus. A. Tenemus interim esse sapientiam: sed utrum sit communis una omnihus, an singuli sapicntes suas habeant, sicuti animas vel mentes suas, hoc nondum tenemus. E. Ita est.
But, I ask you, what do you think we should judge about wisdom itself? Do you think that each human being has his own wisdom? Or is one wisdom present in common to all, so that the more anyone shares in it, the wiser he is? E. I do not yet know what wisdom you mean; for I see that people hold different views about what is done or said wisely. Those who serve as soldiers think they act wisely; those who despise military service and spend their care and effort on farming praise this rather and attribute it to wisdom; those who are clever at devising ways of getting money think themselves wise; those who neglect or reject all these and all such temporal things, and give their whole effort to searching out the truth, so as to know themselves and God, judge this to be the great gift of wisdom; those who do not want to give themselves to this leisure of seeking and contemplating truth, but rather busy themselves with most laborious cares and duties in order to look after people, and are occupied in the work of justly managing and governing human affairs, think that they are wise; and those who do both, and live partly in the contemplation of truth and partly in the dutiful labors that they think are owed to human society, think that they hold the palm of wisdom. I leave aside countless sects, none of which does not prefer its own followers to the rest and want them alone to be wise. So, since what we are now doing is answering not what we believe but what we hold by clear understanding, I can in no way answer what you have asked unless, besides holding it by belief, I also come to know by contemplating and discerning with reason what wisdom itself is. A. Do you think that wisdom is anything other than the truth in which the highest good is discerned and held? For all those you mentioned, pursuing different things, seek good and flee evil; but they pursue different things because one thing seems good to some and another to others. Whoever, then, seeks what he should not have sought, even though he would not seek it unless it seemed good to him, nevertheless errs. But neither he who seeks nothing nor he who seeks what he ought to seek can err. Insofar, then, as all people seek the happy life, they do not err. But insofar as anyone does not keep to that way of life which leads to happiness, though he admits and professes that he wants nothing but to arrive at happiness, to that extent he errs. For error is when we follow something that does not lead to where we want to arrive. And the more anyone errs in the way of life, the less wise he is; for he is so much farther from the truth in which the highest good is discerned and held. When the highest good has been reached and attained, each becomes happy, which we all, beyond dispute, want. So, as it is agreed that we want to be happy, so it is agreed that we want to be wise; for no one is happy without wisdom. For no one is happy except by the highest good, which is discerned and held in that truth which we call wisdom. So, just as before we are happy the notion of happiness is nevertheless impressed on our minds (for through it we know, and say confidently and without any doubt, that we want to be happy), so also, before we are wise, we have the notion of wisdom impressed on our mind, through which each of us, if asked whether he wants to be wise, answers without any shadow of doubt that he does. So if it is now agreed between us what wisdom is (which perhaps you could not explain in words; for if you did not in any way discern it in your mind, you would in no way know both that you want to be wise and that you ought to want it, which I do not think you will deny), I want you to tell me now whether you think that wisdom too, like the rule and truth of number, offers itself in common to all who reason; or whether, since there are as many human minds as there are human beings, so that I discern nothing of your mind nor you of mine, you think there are also as many wisdoms as there can be wise men. E. If the highest good is one for all, the truth in which it is discerned and held, that is, wisdom, must also be one and common to all. A. But do you doubt that the highest good, whatever it is, is one for all human beings? E. I do doubt it, because I see different people rejoicing in different things as their highest goods. A. I wish that no one doubted about the highest good, just as no one doubts that, whatever it is, a human being can become happy only by attaining it. But since it is a great question and perhaps needs a long discussion, let us suppose that there are altogether as many highest goods as there are different things sought by different people as highest goods. Does it follow that wisdom itself is not one and common to all, because the goods that people discern and choose in it are many and different? If you think so, you can also doubt that the light of the sun is one, because the things we see in it are many and different. From these many things each chooses at will what to enjoy through the sense of the eyes: one gladly gazes at the height of some mountain and rejoices in that sight; another at the flatness of a plain, another at the hollows of valleys, another at the green of woods, another at the moving level of the sea; another brings all these, or some of them, together for the delight of seeing. So, just as these things which people see in the light of the sun and choose to enjoy are many and different, and yet the light itself is one, in which the gaze of each beholder sees and holds what it enjoys; so, even if there are many and different goods, from which each chooses what he wants, and, seeing and holding it for enjoyment, rightly and truly makes it his highest good, it can still be that the very light of wisdom, in which these things can be seen and held, is one and common to all the wise. E. I admit that it can be, and that nothing prevents one wisdom from being common to all, even if there are many and different highest goods; but I would like to know whether it is so. For when we grant that it can be so, we do not at once grant that it is so. A. We hold meanwhile that wisdom exists; but whether it is one and common to all, or each wise man has his own, as he has his own soul or mind, we do not yet hold. E. So it is.
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Summary: Wisdom is the truth in which the highest good is discerned and held; all want happiness and so want wisdom, and, like sunlight in which many things are seen, one wisdom may be common to all the wise.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR slip; OCR slip in the speaker mark): quid de ipsa sa; ientia → quid de ipsa sapientia; in tantum erra. → in tantum errat.; mellibus tamen nostris → mentibus tamen nostris; B. Ita est. → E. Ita est..
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Lib. arb. 2.9 (PL 32:1245–1246; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-libero-arbitrio/2-7/#p-2-9). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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2.10PL 32:1246–1247
A. Quid? hoc quod tenemus vcl csse sapientiam, vcl sapicntes, et bcatos esse omnes homines velle, ubi videmus? Nam hoc te videre, et vcrum esse nullo modo utique dubitaverim. Hoc ergo vcrum sic vides ut cogitationem tuam, quam si mihi non cnun tics, ego prorsus ignoro? an ita ut intelligas et a me videri posse hoc vcrum, tametsi mihi abs te non dica tnr? E. Imo ita ut abs te quoque, etiam me invito, vi dcri posse non dubitcm. A. Quod ergo unum verum videmus ambo singulis mentibus, nonne utrique no strum commune cst? E. Manifestissime. A. Item credo te non negare studendum esse sapicntiæ, atque hoc verum esse concedere. E. Pror.us non dubito. A. IIoc item verum, et unum esse, et omnibus qui hoc sciunt, ad videndum esse commune, quamvis unusquisque id nec mea, nec tua, nec cujusquam al terius, sed sua mente conspiciat, cum id quod conspi citur, omnibus conspicientibus communiter præsto sit, numquid negare poterimus? E. Nullo modo, A. Item, juste esse videndum, deteriora melioribus esse subdenda, et paria paribus comparanda, et pro pria suis quibusque tribuenda, nonne fateberis esse verissimum, et tam mihi quam tibi atque omn:bus id videntibus præsto esse communiter? E. Assentior. A. Quid incorruptum melius esse cornipto, æter num temporali, inviolabile violabili, poteris negare? E. Quis potest? A. Hoc ergo verum potest quisque suum proprium dicere, cum incornmutabililer con templandum adsit omnibus qui hoc contemplari va lent? E. Nullus hoc vere dixerit situm esse proprium, cum tam sit unuin atque omnibus commone quam verum est. A. Item a corruptione avertendum ani. mum, atquead incorruptionem convertendum esse, id est non corruptionem, sed incorruptionem diligendam esse quis negat? Aut quis cum verum esse fateatur, non etiam incommutabile intelligat, atque omnibus mentibus id valentibus intueri, communiter præsto csse videat? E. Vcrissimum cst. A. Quid? eam vitam qu.c nullis adersitatibus de certa et honesta senten tia demovetur, dubitabit aliquis esse meliorem, quam eam quæ facile incommodis temporalibus frangitur atque subvertitur? E. Quis dubitaverit? A. Jam hujusmodi plura non quæram: satis enim est quod istas tanquam regulas, et quædam lu mina virtutum, et vera et incommutabilia, et sive singula sive omnia communiter adesse ad contemplan dum cis qui haic valent sua quisque ratione ac mente conspicere, pariter mecum vides certissimumque esse concedis. Sed sanc quæro utrum hæc tibi videantur ad sapientiam pertinere. Nam credo videri tibi eum qui sapientiam assecutus est, csse sapientem. E. Vi detur omnino. A. Quid? ille qui juste vivit, possetne ita vivere, nisi viderct quæ inferiora quibus potiori bus subdat, et quæ paria sibimet copulet, et quæ propria suis quibusque distribuat? E. Non posset- A. Qui ergo hæc videt, num cum. negabis sapienter videre? E. Non nego. A, Quid? ille qui prudenter vi. vit, nonne eligit incorruptionem, et cam corruptioni præponendam esse decernit? E. Manifestissime. A. Cum crgo id eligit quo couvertat animum, quod eligendum esse nemo ambigit, num negari potest sapienter eli gere c? E. Nullo modo negaverim. A. Cum ergo ad id quod sapienter eligit convertit animum, sapienter uti que convertit. E. Certissimum est. A. Et qui ab eo quod sapienter eligit, et quo sc sapienter convertit, nullis terroribus pocnisque depellitur, sapienter sinc dubio facit. E. Prorsus sine dubio. A. Manifestissi mum est igitur omnes has, quas rcgulas diximus et lumina virtutum, ad sapientiam pertinere: quan doquidem quanto magis quisque ad agendam vitam eis ulitur, et secundum hæc agit viiam, tanto magis vivit facitque sapicuter; omne autcm quod sapienter lit, non potest recte dici a sapientia esse separatum. E. Omnino ita est. A. Quam ergo veræ atquc incom mutabiles sunt rcguljc numerorum, quorum rationem atquc veritatem incommutabiliter atquc communiter omnibus cam cernentibus, præsto esse dixisti: tam suut veræ atque incommutabiles reguLæ sapientiæ. de quibus paucis nunc singillatim interrogatus respon disti esse veras atque manifestas, easque omnibus qui hæc intueri valent, communes ad contemplandum adesse concedis.
A. Well, this that we hold, that wisdom or wise men exist and that all people want to be happy: where do we see it? For I would in no way doubt that you see this and that it is true. Do you see this truth as you see your own thought, of which I know nothing unless you tell me? Or do you see it so that you understand that this truth can be seen by me too, even if you do not tell it to me? E. Rather so that I do not doubt that it can be seen by you too, even against my will. A. Then the one truth that we both see, each with his own mind, is it not common to both of us? E. Most evidently. A. Likewise, I believe you do not deny that one should pursue wisdom, and you grant that this is true. E. I have no doubt at all. A. Can we deny, likewise, that this truth is one and is common to all who know it, for them to see, although each beholds it not with my mind or yours or anyone else's but with his own, since what is beheld is present in common to all who behold it? E. In no way. A. Likewise, that one should live justly, that worse things should be subjected to better, that equals should be compared with equals, and that to each his own should be given: will you not admit that this is most true, and present in common to me as to you and to all who see it? E. I agree. A. Can you deny that the incorrupt is better than the corrupt, the eternal than the temporal, the inviolable than the violable? E. Who can? A. Can anyone, then, call this truth his own, when it is present, unchangeably, to be contemplated by all who are able to contemplate it? E. No one would truly say that it is his own, since it is as much one and common to all as it is true. A. Likewise, who denies that the mind should be turned away from corruption and turned toward incorruption, that is, that not corruption but incorruption should be loved? Or who, admitting that this is true, does not also understand that it is unchangeable, and see that it is present in common to all minds able to behold it? E. Most true. A. Well, will anyone doubt that the life which no adversities move from a sure and honorable resolve is better than one that is easily broken and overturned by temporal troubles? E. Who would doubt it? A. I will not ask more of this kind now. It is enough that you see with me, and grant as most certain, that these, as rules and certain lights of the virtues, are true and unchangeable, and that, singly or all together, they are present in common to be contemplated by those who are able to behold them, each with his own reason and mind. But I do ask whether these seem to you to belong to wisdom. For I believe you think that one who has attained wisdom is wise. E. I certainly do. A. Well, could one who lives justly live so unless he saw which lower things to subject to which better ones, which equals to join with one another, and which things to distribute as their own to each? E. He could not. A. Will you deny, then, that one who sees these things sees wisely? E. I do not deny it. A. Well, does not one who lives prudently choose incorruption and decide that it is to be preferred to corruption? E. Most evidently. A. When, then, he chooses that to which to turn his mind, which no one doubts should be chosen, can it be denied that he chooses wisely? E. I would in no way deny it. A. When, then, he turns his mind to what he wisely chooses, he surely turns it wisely. E. Most certainly. A. And one who is driven by no terrors or penalties from what he wisely chooses and to which he wisely turns himself acts wisely beyond doubt. E. Absolutely beyond doubt. A. It is most evident, then, that all these, which we have called rules and lights of the virtues, belong to wisdom; since the more anyone uses them in leading his life, and leads his life according to them, the more wisely he lives and acts; and nothing that is done wisely can rightly be said to be separated from wisdom. E. That is altogether so. A. As true and unchangeable, then, as are the rules of numbers, whose rule and truth, you said, are present unchangeably and in common to all who discern it, so true and unchangeable are the rules of wisdom. A few of these you were asked about just now, one by one, and you answered that they are true and evident, and you grant that they are present in common to be contemplated by all who are able to behold them.
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Summary: Truths such as that one should live justly and prefer the eternal to the temporal are seen by each mind yet common to all; these rules and lights of the virtues belong to wisdom and are as unchangeable as the rules of number.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR slip): convertit anilium → convertit animum.
Topics: Ethics
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Lib. arb. 2.10 (PL 32:1246–1247; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-libero-arbitrio/2-7/#p-2-10). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Translation: Translated by Claude (Opus) from the Latin of Migne's Patrologia Latina (digital text of the Open Greek and Latin project); no public-domain English translation exists, so each batch was checked afterwards privately against a modern translation (never quoted or copied); the Latin decides.