The Teacher 5–7
Latin text: Migne, PL 32 (Latin text: Migne, Patrologia Latina, digitized by Open Greek and Latin (patrologia_latina-dev, University of Leipzig), CC BY-SA 4.0).English: Claude (claude-opus-5-5), public domain (CC0).
Chapter 5
5PL 32:1201–1203
Aug. Bene attendisti: nunc illud vide, utrum veniantur signa quæ se invicem signiflcent, ut quemadmodum boc ab illo, sic illud ab hoc significe tur: non enim ita sunt inter se hoc quadrisyllabum, cum dicimus, Conjunctio, et illa quæ ab hoc signifi cantur, cum dicimus, Si, vel, nam, namque, nisi, ergo, quoniam, et similia; nam hæc illo uno significantur, nullo antem horum unum ilud quadrisyllabum si gnificatur. Ad. Video, ct quænam signa sint se invicem fignificautia, cupio cognoscere. Aug. Tu ergo nescis, cum dicimus, Nomen et verbum, duo verba nos dicere? Ad. Scio. Aug. Quid? illud nescis, cum dicimus, Nomen et verbum, duo nomina nos dicere? Ad. Id quoque scio. Aug. Scis igitur tam nomen verbo, quam etiam verbum nomine significari. Ad. Assen- Hor. Aug. Potesnc diccre, excepto eo quod diverse scribuntur et sonant, quid inter se differant? Ad. Possum fortasse; nam id esse video quod paulo ante dixi. Verba enim cum dicimus, omne quod articulata voce cum aliquo significatu profertur, significamus; unde omne nomen, et ipsum cum dichnus, Nomen, verbum est: at non omne verbum nomen est, quam vis nomen sit, cum dicimus, Verbum. Aug. Quid, siquisquam tibi affirmet et probet, ut omne nomen verbum est, ita Qmne verbum nomen esse? poterisne invenire quiddislent, praeter diversum in lit teris sonum? Ad. Non potero, nec omnino distare aliquid puto. Aug. Quid, si omnia quidem quæ voce articulata eum aliquo significatu proferuntur, et verba sunt et nomina; sed tamen alia de causa verba, et alia de causa nomina sunt? nihilne distabit inter nomcn et verbum? Ad. Quomodo istud sit non intelligo. Aug. Hec saltem intelligis, omne coloratum visibile esse, et omne visibile coloratum, quamvis hæc duo verba distincte differenterque significent. Ad. Intelligo. Aug. Quid si ergo ita et omne verbum nomen, et omne no men verbum est, quamvis hæc ipsa dno nomina, veF duo verba, id est nomen et verbum, differentem ha beant significationem? Ad. Jam video posse id acci dere: sed quomodo id accidat, exspecto ut ostendas. Avg. Oinne quod cum aliquosiguificatu articulata voce prorumpit, animadvertis, ut opinor, et aurem verbe rare, ut sentiri; et momoriæ mandari, ut nosci possit. Ad., Animadverto. Aug. Dno ergo quædam contin gunt, cum aliquid tati voce proferimus, Ad. Ita est. Aug. Quid, si horum duorum ex uno appellata sinit verbar ex altero nomina; verba scilicet a verberando, nomina vero a noscendo, ut illud primum ab nuribus; hoc autem secundum ab animo vocari meruerit? Ad. Concedam, cum ostenderis quomodo recte possimus omnia verba nomina dicere. Aug. Facile est: nam credo te accepisse ac tenere pronomen di ctum, quod pro ipso nomine valeat, rem tamen nolet minus plena significatione quam nomen. Nam, u! opi nor, definivit ille ita, quem grammatico reddidisti: Pronomen est pars orationis, quæ pro ipso posita no mine, minus quidem plene, idem tamen significat. Ad. Recordor et probo. Aug. Vides igitur secundum hanc definitionem nullis nisi nominibus servire, ct pro his solis poni posse pronomina, velut cum dici mus, Hic vir, ipse rex, eadem mulier, hoc aurum, il lud argentum: hic, ipse, eadem, boc, illud pronomi na esse; vir, rex, mulier, aurum, argentum, nomina, qnibus plenius quam illis pronomibus res significa tæ sunt. Ad Video et assentior. Aug. Tu ergo nunc mihi paucas conjunctiones quaslibet enuntia. Ad. Et; que, a!, atque. Aug. Hæc omnia quæ dixisti, nonne tibi videntur esse nomina? Ad. Non omnino. Aug. Ego saltem tibi recte locutus vidcor, cum dicercm, Hæc omnia quae dixisti? Ad. Recto prorsus; ct j;un intel ligo quam mirabiliter ostenderis inc nomina enun tiasse: non enim aliter de Iris recte dici potuisset, Hæc omnia. Scd enim vercor adJfuc, ne propterea milii recte locutus videaris, quod has quatuor con junctiones etiam verba esse non nego;,ut ideo de his recte dici potuerit, Hæc omnia, quoniam recte dici tur, Ilac verba omnia. Si autem a me quæras quæ sit pars orationis, Verba; nihil aliud respondebo quam, Nomen. Quare huic nomini fortasse pronomen ad junctum est, ut illa recta esset locutio tua. 1 i. Aug. Acute quidem falleris, sed ut falli desinas, acutius attende quod dicam, si tamen id dicere. ut volo, valuero: nam verbis de verbis agcre tam impli catum est, quam digitos digiti inserere et confricare; ubi vix dignoscitur, nisi ab eo ipso qui id agit, qui di giti pruriant, et qui auxilientur pruricntibus. Ad. En toto animo adsum, nam ista haec similitudo me inten tissimum fecit. Aug. Verba certe sono, et litteris con stant. Ad. Ita cst. Aug. Ergo ut ea potissimum aucto ritate utamur, quæ nobis charissima est, cum ait paulus apostolus, Nor erat in Christo Ext et Non 1, sed Est in ilto eral, non opinor, putandum est tres istas litteras, quas enuntiamus cum dicimus est, fuisse in Christo, sed ittud potius quod islis tri bus litteris significatur. Ad. Verum dicis. Aug. Intelli gis igitur eum qui ait, Est in illo erat, nihil aliud dixisse quam, Est appellatur quod in illo erat: tanquam si dixisset, Virtus in illo erat; non utique aliud dixisse acciperetur, nisi, virtus appellatur quod in illo erat: ne duas istas syllabas quas enuntiamus, cum dicimus, Viruis, cl non illud quod his dUabUs syllabis signif - tatur, in illo fuisse arbitraremur. Ad. Intelligo ac se quor. Aug. Quid? illud nonne intelligis etiam nibil interesse utrum quisque dicat, Virtus appcilalur, an, Virtus nominalur? Ad. Manifestum est. Aug. Ergo ita manifestum est, nihil interesse utrum quis dicat, Est appellatur, an, Est nominatur quod in illo erat. Ad. Yideo et hic nihil distare. Aug. Jamne etiam vides quid velim ostendere? Ad. Nondum sane. Aug. Itane tu non vides nomen esse id quo rcs aliqua nomina tur? Ad. Hoc plane nihil certius video. Aug. Vides ergo, Est nomen esse, siquidem illud quod erat in illo, Est nominatur. Ad. Negare non possum. Aug. At si eX te quærerem qu:c sit pars orationis, Est; non opi not homen, sed verbum esse diceres, cum id ratio etiam nomen esse docucrit. Ad. Ita est prorsus ut di cis. Aug. Num adhuc dubitas alias quoque partes ora tionis codem modo, quo demonstravimus, nomina esse? Ad. Non dubito, quandoquidem fateor ea signi ficare aliquid. Si autcm res ipsæ quas significant, quid singulæ appellentur, id est nominentur, interroges; respondere non possum, nisi cas ipsas partes oratio nis, quas nomina uon vocamus, sed, ut cerno, vocare convincimur. Aug. Nihilne tc movet, ne quis existat qui no stram istam rationem labefactet dicendo, Apostolo non verborum, sed rerum auctoritatem esse tribuen dam; quamobrem fundamentum persuasionis hujus non tam esse firmum quam putamus: fieri enim posse ut Paulus, quanquam vixerit præceperitque re ctissime 1, minus tamen recte locutus sit, cum ait, Ea, in illo erat; præsertim cum se ipse imperitum sermone fateatur? quo tandem modo istum refellendum arbitraris? Ad. Nihil habeo quod contradicam, et te oro ut aliquem de illis reperias, quibus verborum notitia summa conceditur, cujusau ctoritatc potius id quod cupis efficias. Aug. Minus enim tibi videtur idonea, remotis auctoritatibus, ipsa ratio, qua demonstratur omnibus partibus orationis si gnificari aliquid, et ex eo appellari; si autem appellari, et nominari; si nominari, nomine utique nominari: quod in diversis linguis facillime judicatur. Quis enim non videat, si quæras quid Graeci nominem quod nos nominamus, Quis, responderi, τίς • quid Gradi nomi nent quod nos nominamus, Volo, responderi, θέλω• quid Græci nominent quod nos nominamus, Bene, responderi, ϰαλω̃; • quid Græci nomincut quod nos nominamus, Scriptum, responderi, τὸ γεγραμμένον* quid Græci nominent quod nos nominamus, Et, rc sponderi, ϰαὶ. quid Græci nominent quod nos nomi namus, Ab, responderi, ἀπό. quid Græci nominent quod nosnominamus, Heu, responderi, ot• atque in his omnibus partibus orationis, quas nunc enumcravi, re cte loqui eumqui sic interroget: quod, nisinomina es sent, fiori non posset? Hac ergo ratione Paulum aposto lum recte loculum esse, cum remotis omnium cioquen tium auctoritatibus obtinere possimus; quid opus est quarere cujus persona sententia nostra falciatur? Sed ne quis tardior aut impudentior nondum cedat, asseratque, nisi illis auctoribus, quibus verbo rum leges consensu omnium tribuuntur, nullo modo esse cessurum; quid in latina lingua excellentius Ci cerone inveniri potest? At hie in suis nobilissimis orationibus quas Verrinas vocant, Coram, praeposi tionem, sive illo loco adverbium sit, nomen appellavit. Verumtamen quia fieri potest ut ego illum locum nri nus bene intelligam, exponaturquc alias aliter, vel a ure vul ab alio; est ad quod responderi pos.e nihil puto. Tradunt enim nobilissimi disputationum magi siri, nomine et verbo plenam constare sententiam, quan afirmari negarique possit: quod genus idem Tullius quodam loco pronuntiatum vocat: et cum verbi tertia persona est, nominativum cum ea casun. nominis aiunt esse oportere; et recte aiunt: quod mecum si consideres, velut cum dicimus, nomo sedet, Equus currit, agnoscis, ut opinor, duo esse pronun tiata. Ad. Agnosco. Aug. Cernis in singulis singula esse nomina, in uno homo, in altero equus; et verba singula, in uno sedet, in allero currit? Ad. Cerno. Aug. Ergo si dicerem, sedet tantum, aut currit tau tum, recte a me quæreres, quis vel quid; ut respon dcrem, Homo, vel equus, vel animal, vel quodlibet aliud, quo possit nomen redditum verbo implere pro nuntiatum, id est illam sententiam qux affirmari et negari potest. Ad. Intelligo. Aug. Attende cætera, et finge nos vidcre aliquid longius, ct incertum habere utrum animal sit an saxum, vcl quid aliud, meque tibi dicere, Quia homo est, animal est; nonne temnere dicercm? Ad. Temere omnino: sed non temnere plane diceres, Si homo est, animal est. Aug. Recte dicis. itaque in locutione tua placet mihi, Si; placet et tibi: utrique autem nostrum in mea displicet, Quia. Ad. Assentior. Aug. Vide jam utrum istæc duæ sententiæ plena pronuntiata sim: Placet si, displicet, quia. Ad. Plena omnino. Aug. Age, nunc dic mihi quæ ibi sint verba, quæ nomina. Ad. Verba ibi video esse, placet, et, displicel: nomina vero quid aliud quam, si, ct, quia? Aug. Uas ergo duas conjunctiones etiam nomina esse salis probatum est. Ad. Prorsus satis. Aug. Potesne ipse per tc in aliis partibus orationis hoc idcin ad camdem regulam docere? Ad. Possum.
A. You have paid good attention: now see whether signs are found that signify each other, so that as this is signified by that, so that is signified by this. For this four-syllable word, when we say “conjunction,” and the things signified by it, when we say “if,” “or,” “for,” “for indeed,” “unless,” “therefore,” “since,” and the like, are not so related to each other; for these are signified by that one word, but that one four-syllable word is signified by none of them. Ad. I see, and I want to know which signs signify each other. A. Do you not know, then, that when we say “name and word,” we say two words? Ad. I know. A. Well, do you not know that when we say “name and word,” we say two names? Ad. I know that too. A. So you know that “name” is signified by “word” just as “word” is signified by “name.” Ad. I agree. A. Can you say how they differ from each other, apart from the fact that they are written and sound differently? Ad. Perhaps I can; for I see that it is what I said a little while ago. For when we say “words,” we signify everything uttered by an articulate voice with some meaning; so every name, and the very word “name” when we say it, is a word: but not every word is a name, although “word” is a name when we say it. A. What if someone affirmed and proved to you that, as every name is a word, so every word is a name? Could you find how they differ, apart from the different sound of their letters? Ad. I could not, and I think they do not differ at all. A. What if all things uttered by an articulate voice with some meaning are both words and names, yet they are words for one reason and names for another? Will there be no difference between name and word? Ad. I do not understand how that could be. A. You understand this at least: that everything colored is visible and everything visible is colored, although these two words signify distinctly and differently. Ad. I understand. A. What if, then, in the same way every word is a name and every name a word, although these two names, or two words, that is, “name” and “word,” have different meanings? Ad. Now I see that this can happen; but I wait for you to show how it happens. A. You notice, I think, that everything that bursts forth with some meaning from an articulate voice both strikes the ear, so that it can be perceived, and is committed to memory, so that it can be known. Ad. I notice it. A. So two things happen when we utter something with such a voice. Ad. That is so. A. What if words (verba) are named from one of these two and names (nomina) from the other: words from striking (verberare), names from knowing (noscere), so that the first has deserved its name from the ears, the second from the mind? Ad. I will grant it when you have shown how we can rightly call all words names. A. That is easy: for I believe you have learned and remember that a pronoun is so called because it stands for a name itself, though it denotes a thing with a less full meaning than the name. For, I think, the man whose lessons you recited to your grammar teacher defined it thus: “A pronoun is a part of speech which, put in place of a name itself, signifies the same thing, though less fully.” Ad. I remember and approve. A. You see, then, that according to this definition pronouns serve only names and can be put in place of them alone, as when we say “this man,” “the king himself,” “the same woman,” “this gold,” “that silver”: “this,” “himself,” “the same,” “this,” “that” are pronouns; “man,” “king,” “woman,” “gold,” “silver” are names, by which the things are signified more fully than by those pronouns. Ad. I see and agree. A. Now, then, say a few conjunctions for me, any you like. Ad. And, and (-que), but, and also. A. All these that you have said, do they not seem to you to be names? Ad. Not at all. A. Did I at least seem to you to speak correctly when I said, “All these that you have said”? Ad. Quite correctly; and now I understand how wonderfully you have shown that I uttered names: for otherwise it could not rightly have been said of them, “all these.” But I am still afraid that you seemed to me to speak correctly because I do not deny that these four conjunctions are also words; so that it could rightly be said of them, “all these,” because it is rightly said, “all these words.” But if you ask me what part of speech “words” is, I will answer nothing but “a name.” So perhaps the pronoun was joined to this name, so that your expression was correct. A. You are acutely mistaken; but so that you may stop being mistaken, attend more acutely to what I say, if only I can say it as I wish: for to deal with words by words is as entangled as to interlace and rub fingers with fingers, where it is hard for anyone but the one doing it to tell which fingers itch and which help the itching ones. Ad. Look, I am here with all my mind, for this comparison has made me most attentive. A. Words certainly consist of sound and letters. Ad. That is so. A. So, to use above all the authority that is dearest to us, when the apostle Paul says, “In Christ there was not Is and Is not, but Is was in him,” we must not think, I believe, that those three letters which we pronounce when we say est (“is”) were in Christ, but rather what is signified by those three letters. Ad. You are right. A. You understand, then, that he who said, “Is was in him,” said nothing else than, “What was in him is called Is”; just as, if he had said, “Virtue was in him,” he would surely be taken to have said nothing else than, “What was in him is called virtue”; lest we should think that those two syllables we pronounce when we say virtus, and not what is signified by those two syllables, were in him. Ad. I understand and follow. A. Well, do you not also understand that it makes no difference whether someone says, “It is called virtue,” or “It is named virtue”? Ad. That is plain. A. So it is equally plain that it makes no difference whether one says that what was in him “is called Is” or “is named Is.” Ad. I see that here too there is no difference. A. Do you now see what I want to show? Ad. Not yet, really. A. Do you not see that a name is that by which some thing is named? Ad. I see nothing more certain than this. A. So you see that “is” is a name, since what was in him is named “Is.” Ad. I cannot deny it. A. But if I asked you what part of speech “is” is, you would say, I think, not a name but a verb, though reason has shown that it is also a name. Ad. It is exactly as you say. A. Do you still doubt that the other parts of speech too are names in the same way that we have shown? Ad. I do not doubt it, since I admit that they signify something. But if you ask what each of the things they signify is called, that is, named, I can answer only with those very parts of speech which we do not call names, but, as I see, are proved bound to call them. A. Are you not troubled lest someone arise who might shake our reasoning by saying that authority must be ascribed to the Apostle in matters, not in words; and that therefore the foundation of this conviction is not as firm as we think? For it may be that Paul, although he lived and taught most rightly, yet spoke less correctly when he said, “Is was in him”; especially since he himself admits that he is unskilled in speech. How do you think he should be refuted? Ad. I have nothing to say against it, and I beg you to find someone among those to whom the highest knowledge of words is granted, by whose authority you may rather accomplish what you want. A. Does reason itself, apart from authorities, seem to you less adequate, by which it is shown that something is signified by all the parts of speech, and that they are called by it; and if called, then named; and if named, then named by a name? And this is very easily judged in different languages. For who does not see that if you ask what the Greeks name what we name quis, the answer is τίς; what the Greeks name what we name volo, the answer is θέλω; what the Greeks name what we name bene, the answer is καλῶς; what the Greeks name what we name scriptum, the answer is τὸ γεγραμμένον; what the Greeks name what we name et, the answer is καί; what the Greeks name what we name ab, the answer is ἀπό; what the Greeks name what we name heu, the answer is οἴ; and that in all these parts of speech I have just listed, the one who asks in this way speaks correctly, which could not be unless they were names? Since, then, by this reasoning we can establish that the apostle Paul spoke correctly, apart from the authority of all the eloquent, what need is there to look for someone in whose person our view may be supported?
But lest someone slower or more impudent should not yet yield, and should assert that he will by no means yield except to those authors to whom the laws of words are granted by common consent: what can be found more excellent in the Latin language than Cicero? Yet in his most famous speeches, which are called the Verrines, he called coram, a preposition, or in that place perhaps an adverb, a name. However, since it may be that I understand that passage less well, and it may be explained otherwise by me or by someone else, there is something to which I think no answer can be made. For the most distinguished masters of logic teach that a complete sentence, which can be affirmed or denied, consists of a name and a verb, a kind of sentence which the same Tullius somewhere calls a “proposition”; and they say that when the verb is in the third person, the name with it must be in the nominative case; and they are right. If you consider this with me, as when we say, “The man sits,” “The horse runs,” you recognize, I think, that these are two propositions. Ad. I recognize it. A. You see that in each there is one name, in one “man,” in the other “horse”; and one verb each, in one “sits,” in the other “runs”? Ad. I see. A. So if I said only “sits” or only “runs,” you would rightly ask me “who” or “what,” so that I might answer “the man,” or “the horse,” or “the animal,” or anything else by which a name given to the verb may complete the proposition, that is, the sentence that can be affirmed and denied. Ad. I understand. A. Attend to the rest, and suppose that we see something rather far off and are uncertain whether it is an animal or a stone or something else, and I say to you, “Because it is a man, it is an animal”: would I not speak rashly? Ad. Rashly indeed; but you would plainly not speak rashly if you said, “If it is a man, it is an animal.” A. You are right. So in your statement “if” pleases me, and it pleases you too; but in mine “because” displeases us both. Ad. I agree. A. Now see whether these two sentences are complete propositions: “If pleases,” “Because displeases.” Ad. Quite complete. A. Come, now tell me which are the verbs there, which the names. Ad. I see that the verbs there are “pleases” and “displeases”; and what are the names but “if” and “because”? A. So it has been sufficiently proved that these two conjunctions are also names. Ad. Quite sufficiently. A. Can you yourself show the same thing, by the same rule, for the other parts of speech? Ad. I can.
2 Cor 1:19 (quotation, high confidence) · 2 Cor 11:6 (allusion, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: Augustine shows that “word” and “name” signify each other and differ only in their reason (from striking the ear and from knowing), and proves from Paul, from Greek equivalents, and from the logic of propositions that every part of speech is in some sense a name.
- 2 Cor 1:19 (Augustine's Latin, “In Christ there was not Is and Is not, but Is was in him”); 2 Cor 11:6.
- The etymologies verbum from verberare and nomen from noscere are Augustine's (and Varro's tradition). The definition of the pronoun is that of the grammarian Donatus (Ars minor), probably the teacher meant by “the man whose lessons you recited” (uncertain).
- Cicero, Verr. 2.2.104, where Augustine takes Cicero's phrase hoc nomen, coram as calling coram a name, as he himself allows he may be misreading; “proposition” (pronuntiatum) is Cicero's term (Tusc. 1.14).
- οἴ: the digital text has “ot”, read as the Greek interjection “alas”.
Extrabiblical texts: Cicero, Verr. 2.2.104 (Cicero; allusion); Cicero, Tusc. 1.14 (Cicero; allusion)
Topics: Scripture and canon
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Mag. 5 (PL 32:1201–1203; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-magistro/5/#p-5). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Translation: Translated by Claude (Opus) from the Latin of Migne's Patrologia Latina (digital text of the Open Greek and Latin project); no public-domain English translation exists, so each batch was checked afterwards privately against a modern translation (never quoted or copied); the Latin decides.
Chapter 6
6PL 32:1203–1205
Aug. Transeamus ergo hinc. et jam dic mihi utrum sicut omnia verba nomina, cet omnia nomina verba esse comperimus, ita libi ct omnia nomina vocabula, et omnia vocabula nurnina esse videantur. Ad. Plane inter hxc quid distet præter diversum syl labarum sonum non video. Aug. Nec ego interim re sisto, quanquam non desint qui etaiu significatione ista discernunt, quorum sententiam modo considerare non opus est. Sed certe auimadvei tis ad ea jan si gna nos pervenisse, quæ se inviccm significent, nulla præter sonum distantia, et quæ scipsa significent cum cæteris omnibus partibus orationis. Ad. Non intelligo. Aug. Non ergo intelligis et nomen vocabulo et voca bulum nomine significari; et ita ut præter sonum lit terarum nihil intersit, quantum ad generale nomen pertinet: nam ct speciale nomen dicimus, qnod inter octo partes orationis ita est, ut alias septem non con tiurat. Ad. Intelligo. Aug. At boc ost qnod dixi, se invicem significare vocabulum et nomen. i8. Ad. Teneo, sed quæro quid dixeris, Cum etiam scipsa significant cum. aliis partibus orationis. Aug. Nonne superior ratio docuit nos, omwes partes oratio uis, et nomina posse dici et vocabula, id est et no mine et vocabulo posse signiGcari? Ad. Ita est. Aug. Quid? ipsum nomen, id est sonum istum duabus syl labis expressum, si ex te quæram quid appelles, nonne recte milii respondebis, Nomen? Ad. Recte. Aug. Num ita se significat hoc signum quod quatuor syllabis enuntiamus cum dicimus, Conjunctio? Hoc enim utinen inter illa qua; significat, numerari non potest. Ad. Recte accipio. Aug. It! est quod dictum est nomen seipsum significare cum aliis quæ signifi cat; quod etiam dc vocabulo licet per teipsum intel ligas. Ad. Jam facile est: sed illud mihi nunc venit in mentem, nomen et generaliter et specialiter dici; vocabulum autcm inter octo partes orationis non ac cipi: quare hoc qnoque inter se præter diversum so num differre arbitror. Aun. Quid? noincn et ὄνομα distare inter se aliquid putas præter sonum, quo etiam linguæ discernuntur latina atque græca? Ad. Hic vero nihil aliud intelligo. Aug. Perventum est ergo ad ca signa quæ et seipsa significent, et aliud ab alio invi cem siguificelur, et quidquid ab uno hoc et ab alio; cl nibil præter sonum inter se differant: nam hoc quartum modo invenimos; tria enim superiora, et de nomine et verbo intelliguntur. Ad. Omnino perventum.
A. Let us pass on, then, and now tell me whether, just as we found that all words are names and all names words, so all names seem to you to be terms (vocabula) and all terms names. Ad. I plainly see no difference between them except the different sound of their syllables. A. Nor do I resist for the moment, although there are some who distinguish them in meaning too, whose view we need not consider now. But surely you notice that we have now come to those signs which signify each other with no difference but sound, and which signify themselves along with all the other parts of speech. Ad. I do not understand. A. Do you not understand, then, that “name” is signified by “term” and “term” by “name,” and in such a way that there is no difference but the sound of the letters, as far as the general sense of “name” is concerned: for we also speak of “name” in the special sense in which it is among the eight parts of speech so as not to include the other seven. Ad. I understand. A. But this is what I said: that “term” and “name” signify each other. Ad. I grasp that, but I ask what you meant by “since they also signify themselves along with the other parts of speech.” A. Did not the earlier reasoning teach us that all parts of speech can be called both names and terms, that is, can be signified both by “name” and by “term”? Ad. That is so. A. Well, if I asked you what you call “name” itself, that is, this sound expressed in two syllables, would you not rightly answer me, “a name”? Ad. Rightly. A. Does the sign we pronounce in four syllables when we say “conjunction” signify itself in this way? For this name cannot be counted among the things it signifies. Ad. I take that rightly. A. That is what was meant by saying that “name” signifies itself along with the other things it signifies; and you may understand the same of “term” by yourself. Ad. Now it is easy: but it now occurs to me that “name” is used both in a general and in a special sense, while “term” is not counted among the eight parts of speech: so I think they differ in this too, besides the different sound. A. Well, do you think nomen and ὄνομα differ in anything except the sound, by which the Latin and Greek languages too are distinguished? Ad. Here indeed I understand nothing else. A. So we have come to those signs which both signify themselves, and are signified each by the other, and whatever is signified by one is signified by the other, and which differ in nothing but sound: for we have just found this fourth kind; the three earlier ones are understood of both “name” and “word.” Ad. We have quite come to it.
Notes and citation
Summary: Augustine and Adeodatus find a further class of signs, such as Latin nomen and Greek ὄνομα, which signify themselves and each other and differ only in sound.
- “term”: vocabulum, a near-synonym of nomen.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (the Greek word ὄνομα lost its first letters in the digital text): ομα di stare → ὄνομα distare.
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Mag. 6 (PL 32:1203–1205; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-magistro/5/#p-6). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Chapter 7
7PL 32:1205–1207
Aug. Jam quæ sermocinando invenerimus, ve lin recenseas. Ad. Faciam quantum possuln. Nam primo omnium rccordor aliquandiu nos quæsisse quam ob causam loquamur, iuventumquc esse docendi com memorandive gratia nos loqui, quandoquidem nec cum interrogamus, aliud agimus quam ut ille qui in terrogatur discat quid velimus audire; et in cantando, quod delectationis causa facere videmur, uon sit pro prium locutionis; in orando Dco, quem doceri aut commemorari existimare non possumus, id verba va leant, ut vel nos ipsos commonefaciamus, vel alii commoneantur doceanturve per nos. Deinde cum sa tis constitisset verba nihil aliud esse quam signa; ea vero quæ non aliquid significent, signa esse non posse, proposuisti veroum, cujus verba singula quid signifi carent, conarer ostendere: is autem erat: si nihil ex tanta Superis placet urbe relinqui. Cujus secundum verbum quamvis notissimum et Ina... nifestissimum, quid tamen significaret, non rcpe rlebamus. Cumque mihi videretur non frustra nos id in loquendo interponere, sed quod eo aliquid docea nius audientem, ipsam mentis affectionem, ctmi rem quam quærit, non esse invenit, vcl invenisse se putat, hoc verbo fortasse indicari; respondisti tu quidem, sed tamen nescio quam profunditalcm quæstionis joco evitans, in aliud tempus illustrandam distulisti: nec me debiti quoque tui oblitum putes. Inde tertium in versu verbum cum satagerom expouere, urgetwr abs te, ilL non verbum aliud quod idem valerct, sed ren ipsam potius qtue per verba significaretur osten derem. Cumque id sermocinantibus nobis fieri non posse dixissem, ventum est ad ea quae interrogantibus digito monstrantur. Hæc ego corporalia esse omuia arbitrabar, sed invenimus sola visibilia. Hinc nescio quomodo ad surdos et histriones devenimus, qui non qu:c sola videri possunt, sed multa præterea ac prope omnia quae loquimur, gestu sine voce signifi cant; eosdem tamen gestus signa esse comperimus. THiu rursus quaercre coepimus, quomodo res ipsas quæ signis significantur, sine ullis signis valeremus oscndere, cum et ille paries, et color, ct omne visi bile, quod inteutione digiti ostenditur, signo quodam convinceretur ostendi. Ilic ego errans cum inveniri tale nihil posse dixissem, tandem inter nos constitit, ca pos se demonstrari siue signo, quae cum a nobis quærun tur, non agimus, et post inquisitionem agere possumus; locutionem tamen ex eo non esse genere: siquidem et loquentes cnm interrogamur quid sit locutio, istam per seipsam demonstrare facile esse satis apparuit. Ex quo admoniti sumus aut signis signa mon sLrari, aut signis alia quæ signa non sunt, aut etiam sine signo res quas agere post interrogationem pos sumus: horumque trium primum diligentius conside randum discutiendumque suscepimus. Qua disputa tionc declaratum est, partim esse signa, quæ ab iis signis quai significarent, signiticari vicissim nou pus sent, ut cst hoc quadrisyllabum cum, Conjunctio, dicimus: partim qu:c possent, ut cum dicimus, Si gnuin, ctiam verbum significamus; et cum dicimus, Verbum, eliam signum significamus; nam signum et verbum, et dno signa, et duo verba sunt. In hoc au ten genere, quo invicem se signa significant, quæ dam non tantum, quaedam tantum, quacdam vero etiam idem valere monstratum est. Etenim hoc disyl labum, quod sonat cum dicimus, Signum, prorsus omnia quibus quidque significatur significat: non au tem omuium signorum signum est cum dicimus, Ver bum, sed tantum eorum quae articulata voce profc runtur. Uude manifestum est, quamvis et verbuli signo, et signum verbo, id est et duas istæ syllabas illis, et illæ istis significentur, plus tamen signunt valere quam verbum, plura scilicet illis duabus syl labis, quam istis significantibus. Tantumdem autem valet generale verbum, et generale nomen. Docuit enim ratio omnes partes orationis etiam nomina esse, quod et pronomina his addi possunt, et de omnibus dici potest quod aliquid nominent, ct nulla earum sit quæ non verbo adjuncto pronuntiatum possit implerc. Sed cum tantumdem valeant nomen ct verbum, co quod omnia quæ verba sunt, sint ctiam nomina; non tamen idem valent. Alia quippe de causa verba, et alia nomina nuncupari, satis probabiliter disputatum cst. Siquidem alterum horum ad auris verberationem, alterum nd animi commemorationem notandam esse compertum, vel ex hoc intelligi potest, quod in lo qucndo rectissime dicimus, Quod cst huic rei nomen, rem memoriæ mandare cupientes; Quod est autem huic rei verbum, dicere noti solemus. Quae vero non solum tantumdem, sed eliam idem omnino signiOcent, ct inter quæ nihil præter litterarum distet sonum, nomen et ὄνομα invenimus. Illud sane mihi elapsum crat in hoc genere, in quo invicem se significant, nullum nos signum comperisse, quod non inter cætera quæ significat, se quoque significet. Haec quantum potui recordatus sum. Tu jam videris, quem nibil pulo in hoc sermone nisi scientem certumque dixisse, utrum ista bene ordinateque digesserim.
A. Now I would like you to review what we have found in our conversation. Ad. I will do it as well as I can. For first of all I remember that we inquired for some time why we speak, and found that we speak in order to teach or to remind, since even when we ask questions we do nothing but let the person asked learn what we want to hear; and in singing, which we seem to do for delight, it is not proper to speech; in praying to God, whom we cannot think is taught or reminded, words serve either to remind ourselves or so that others may be reminded or taught through us. Then, when it was well established that words are nothing but signs, and that things which do not signify something cannot be signs, you proposed a line, the meaning of whose single words I was to try to show; it was: “If it pleases the gods that nothing be left of so great a city.” Its second word, though very well known and very plain, we could not find what it signified. And when it seemed to me that we do not insert it in speaking in vain, but in order to teach the hearer something by it, perhaps the very state of the mind when it finds, or thinks it has found, that the thing it seeks does not exist, is indicated by this word; you indeed answered, but, avoiding by a joke some depth or other of the question, you put off its explanation to another time: and do not think I have forgotten that you owe me this. Then, when I was busy explaining the third word in the line, I was pressed by you to show, not another word of the same force, but rather the very thing signified by the words. And when I had said that this could not be done while we were conversing, we came to the things that are pointed out with the finger to those who ask. I thought these were all bodily things, but we found they were only visible things. From there somehow we came to the deaf and to actors, who signify by gesture without voice not only things that can be seen but many others besides, almost all that we speak of; yet we found that those gestures are signs. Then again we began to ask how we could show the very things that are signified by signs without any signs, since that wall, and color, and everything visible that is shown by pointing the finger, was proved to be shown by a sign. Here, going astray, I said that nothing of the kind could be found; at last we agreed that those things can be shown without a sign which we are not doing when we are asked about them and can do after the inquiry; yet speech is not of that kind: for it was clear enough that even when we are asked while speaking what speech is, it is easy to show it by itself.
From this we were reminded that either signs are shown by signs, or other things that are not signs are shown by signs, or even, without a sign, things we can do after being asked; and of these three we undertook to consider and discuss the first more carefully. By this discussion it was made clear that there are some signs which cannot in turn be signified by the signs they signify, such as this four-syllable word when we say “conjunction”; and some which can, as when we say “sign” we also signify “word,” and when we say “word” we also signify “sign”; for “sign” and “word” are both two signs and two words. In this class, in which signs signify each other, it was shown that some are not equal in force, some equal in force, and some even the same in meaning. For this two-syllable word that sounds when we say “sign” signifies absolutely everything by which anything is signified; but when we say “word,” it is not a sign of all signs, but only of those uttered by an articulate voice. From this it is plain that, although “word” is signified by “sign” and “sign” by “word,” that is, these two syllables by those and those by these, yet “sign” extends further than “word,” that is, these two syllables signify more things than those. But the general “word” and the general “name” are equal in force. For reason taught that all parts of speech are also names, since pronouns can be added to them, and it can be said of all that they name something, and there is none of them which, with a verb added, cannot complete a proposition. But although “name” and “word” are equal in force, because all things that are words are also names, they do not mean the same thing. For it was argued quite plausibly that they are called words for one reason and names for another. Since it was found that one of them is meant to mark the striking of the ear, the other the reminding of the mind, this can be understood even from the fact that in speaking we say very correctly, “What is the name of this thing?” when we want to commit the thing to memory, but we do not usually say, “What is the word for this thing?” And we found that the signs which signify not only an equal range but altogether the same thing, between which there is no difference but the sound of the letters, are nomen and ὄνομα. I had quite forgotten that in this class, in which signs signify each other, we found no sign that does not also signify itself among the other things it signifies. This is what I could remember. Now you will judge, since I think you have said nothing in this conversation except with knowledge and certainty, whether I have set these things out well and in order.
Notes and citation
Summary: Adeodatus summarizes the dialogue so far: speech teaches or reminds, words are signs, some things can be shown without signs, and signs can be classified by how they signify one another.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (the Greek ὄνομα and part of et dropped out of the digital text (cf. section 6)): no men < t invenimus → nomen et ὄνομα invenimus.
Extrabiblical texts: Virgil, Aen. 2.659 (Virgil; quotation)
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Mag. 7 (PL 32:1205–1207; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-magistro/5/#p-7). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Translation: Translated by Claude (Opus) from the Latin of Migne's Patrologia Latina (digital text of the Open Greek and Latin project); no public-domain English translation exists, so each batch was checked afterwards privately against a modern translation (never quoted or copied); the Latin decides.