Tractates on the Gospel of John 18.1–19.2

Latin text: Migne, PL 35 (Latin text: Migne, Patrologia Latina, digitized by Open Greek and Latin (patrologia_latina-dev, University of Leipzig), CC BY-SA 4.0).English: Claude (claude-opus-5-5), public domain (CC0). Compare: Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers, series 1, vol. 7 (1888).

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Chapter 18

18.1PL 35:1535

Joannes evangelista inter consortes et compar­ ticipes suos alios evangelistas, hoc praecipuum et proprium donum accepit a Domino (super cujus pectus in convivio discumbebat, ut per hoc significaret quia secreta altiora de intimo ejus corde potabat), ut ea diceret de Filio Dei quæ parvulorum mentes fortassis intentas excitare pos­ sint; implere autem nondum capaces non possint: grandiusculis autcm quibusque mentibus et ad æta­ tem quamdam interius virilem pervenientibus, dat aliquid verbis his, quo et exerceantur, et pascantur. Audistis cum legeretur, ct unde sermo iste venerit meministis. Hesterno cnim die lectum est, quod pro­ pterea volebant Jesum Judæi interficere, quia non so­ lum solvebat sabbatum, sed etiam patrem suum dicebat Deum, æqualem se faciens Deo. Quod Ju­ dæis displicebat, hoc ipsi Patri placebat. Hoc sine dubio placet etiam cis qui honorificant Filium, sic­ ut honorificant Patrem; quia si eis non placeat, displicebunt. Non enim Deus erit major, quia placet tibi; sed tu minor, si displicct tibi. Adversus hanc autem eorum calumniam, venientem vel de ignoran­ tia, vel de malitia, loquitur Dominus non omnino quod capiant, sed unde agitentur et conturbentur, et fortasse vel conturbati medicum quaerant. Dicebat autem quae scriberentur, ut etiam a nobis postea legerentur. Vidcrimus ergo quid in Judaeorum cor­ dibus factum sit, cum hæc audirent: quid in nobis fiat cum haec audimus, amplius cogitemus. Neque enim natae sunt hæreses, et quaedam dogmata per­ versitatis illaqueantia animas et in profundum prae­ cipitantia, nisi dum Scripturae bonæ intelliguntur non bene; et quod in eis non bene intelligitur, ctiam temere et audacter asseritur. Itaque, charissimi, valde caute hæc audire debemus, ad quae capienda parvuli sumus; et corde pio et cum tremore, sicut scriptum est, hanc tenentes regulam sanitatis, ut quod secundum fidem qua imbuti sumus, intelligere valuerimus, tanquam de cibo gaudeamus: quod autem secundum sanam fidei regulam intelligere non­ dum potuerimus, dubitationem auferamus, intelligen­ tiam differamus; hoc est, ut etiam si quid sit nescimus, bonum tamen et verum esse minime dubitemus. Et ego, fratres, qui suscepi loqui vobis, cogitandus sum a vobis qui susceperim, et quae susceperim: suscepi enim tractanda divina homo, spiritualia carnalis, aeterna mortalis. Etiam a me, charissimi, longe sit vana præsumptio, si volo sanus in domo Dei conversari, quae est Ecclesia Dei vivi, columna et firmamentum veritatis: pro modulo meo capio quod vobis appono; ubi aperitur, pascor vobiscum; ubi clauditur, pulso vobiscum.

John the evangelist, among his companions and partners the other evangelists, received from the Lord this special and peculiar gift (on whose breast he reclined at the supper, to signify by this that he was drinking deeper secrets from his inmost heart): that he should say such things of the Son of God as might rouse the minds of little ones, perhaps when attentive, but could not fill them while they are not yet capable; while to minds somewhat grown, and coming to a certain inward manly age, he gives something in these words by which they may be both exercised and fed. You heard it when it was read, and you remember where this discourse came from. For yesterday it was read that the Jews wanted to kill Jesus for this reason: “because he not only broke the Sabbath, but also called God his Father, making himself equal to God.” What displeased the Jews pleased the Father himself. This without doubt pleases also those who honor the Son as they honor the Father; for if it does not please them, they will displease. For God will not be greater because it pleases you; but you will be less if it displeases you. Against this slander of theirs, coming either from ignorance or from malice, the Lord speaks, not at all what they could grasp, but that by which they might be shaken and disturbed, and perhaps, once disturbed, might seek the physician. And he was saying things that would be written, so that they might afterward be read by us too. Let us leave aside, then, what happened in the hearts of the Jews when they heard these things; let us rather consider what happens in us when we hear them. For heresies and certain dogmas of perversity, which ensnare souls and throw them headlong into the depths, have arisen only when good Scriptures are not well understood, and what is not well understood in them is also asserted rashly and boldly. So, dearly beloved, we must hear very cautiously these things, for the grasping of which we are little ones, and with a godly heart and with trembling, as it is written, holding this rule of soundness: that what we are able to understand according to the faith in which we have been instructed, we may rejoice in as food; but what we have not yet been able to understand according to the sound rule of faith, we may put away doubt and put off understanding; that is, even if we do not know what something is, we should not doubt at all that it is good and true. And I, brothers, who have undertaken to speak to you, must be considered by you as to who I am that have undertaken it, and what I have undertaken: for I have undertaken, a man, to treat divine things; carnal, spiritual things; mortal, eternal things. From me too, dearly beloved, let vain presumption be far, if I want to live soundly in the house of God, which is “the Church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth.” According to my small measure I grasp what I set before you; where it is opened, I am fed with you; where it is shut, I knock with you.

John 13:23 (allusion, high confidence) · John 5:18 (quotation, high confidence) · John 5:23 (allusion, high confidence) · Phil 2:12 (allusion, medium confidence) · 1 Tim 3:15 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 7:7 (allusion, medium confidence)

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Summary: John received the gift of speaking deep things of the Son that exercise mature minds; what is not yet understood must be held in faith, since heresies arise from misreading good Scriptures rashly.

  • The “rule of faith” (regula fidei) is the Church's creed as the standard for interpreting Scripture.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR letter slip): potabal → potabat; dal aliquid → dat aliquid; cogitandus sam → cogitandus sum.

Topics: Scripture and canon, Heresy

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Tract. Ev. Jo. 18.1 (PL 35:1535; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-tractatus-ioannem/18-1/#p-18-1). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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18.2PL 35:1535–1537

Commoti sunt crgo Judxi, et indignati sunt; merito quidem, quod audebat homo aequalem se fa­ cere Deo: sed ideo immerito, quia in homine non intelligebant Deum. Carnem videbant, Deum nescie­ bant: habitaculum cernebant, habitatorem ignora­ bant. Caro illa templum erat, Deus inhabitabat in­ tus. Non ergo Jesus carnem æquabat Patri, non for mam servi Domino comparabat; non quod factum est propter nos, sed quod crat quando fecit nos. Quis namque sit Christus, Catholicis loquor, nostis, quia bene credidistis: non Verbum tantum, nec caro tantum; sed Verbum caro factum est, ut habitaret in nobis. Recenseo de Verbo quod nostis: In prin­ cipio erat Verbum, et Verbum erat apud Deum, et Deus erat Verbum: hic aequalitas cum Patre. Sed Verbum caro factum est, et habitavit in nobis: hac carne major est Pater. Ita Pater et æqualis, et major: aequalis Verbo, major carne; æqualis ei per quem fecit nos, major eo qui factus est propter nos. Ad hanc regulam sanam catholicam, quam præcipue nosse debetis, quam tenete qui nostis, a qua prorsus fides vestra labi non debet, quae nullis hominum argumentis extorquenda est cordi vestro, dirigamus ea quæ intelligimus; et quae forte non intelligimus, dirigenda ad hanc regu­ lam quandoque differamus, cum idonei fuerimus. Novimus ergo aequalem Patri Filium Dei, quia novi­ mus in principio Deum Verbum. Quid ergo Judcei volebant eum interficere? Quia non solum solvebat sabbatum, sed et patrem suum dicebat Deum, aequalem se faciens Deo: videntes carnem, non videntes Ver­ bum. Loquatur ergo et contra eos Verbum per car­ nem, et interior habitator sonet per habitaculum suum; ut qui potest, noverit quis intus habitet.

So the Jews were moved and indignant: rightly indeed, in that a man dared to make himself equal to God; but wrongly in this, that in the man they did not understand God. They saw the flesh, they did not know God; they perceived the dwelling, they did not know the dweller. That flesh was a temple; God dwelt within. So Jesus was not making the flesh equal to the Father, was not comparing the form of a servant with the Lord; not what was made for our sake, but what he was when he made us. For who Christ is (I speak to Catholics) you know, because you have believed rightly: not the Word only, nor the flesh only, but the Word was made flesh, to dwell among us. I go over again what you know about the Word: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God”: here is equality with the Father. But “the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us”: than this flesh the Father is greater. So the Father is both equal and greater: equal to the Word, greater than the flesh; equal to him through whom he made us, greater than him who was made for our sake. To this sound Catholic rule, which you ought above all to know, which you who know it must hold, from which your faith must not slip at all, which no arguments of men must wrest from your heart, let us direct what we understand; and what perhaps we do not understand, let us put off directing to this rule until we are fit. We know, then, that the Son of God is equal to the Father, because we know that in the beginning was God the Word. Why then did the Jews want to kill him? “Because he not only broke the Sabbath, but also called God his Father, making himself equal to God”: seeing the flesh, not seeing the Word. Let the Word, then, speak against them too through the flesh, and let the inner dweller sound through his dwelling, so that whoever can may know who dwells within.

John 5:18 (quotation, high confidence) · Phil 2:7 (allusion, high confidence) · John 1:14 (quotation, high confidence) · John 1:1 (quotation, high confidence) · John 14:28 (allusion, medium confidence) · John 2:21 (allusion, medium confidence)

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Summary: The Jews saw only Christ's flesh; as Word he is equal to the Father, and as flesh less than the Father: this is the Catholic rule by which all must be understood.

  • The rule that the Son is equal to the Father in the form of God and less than the Father in the form of a servant is Augustine's standard Trinitarian principle (cf. On the Trinity 1.7.14).

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR letter slip; OCR: period for comma): et Deut erat → et Deus erat; IIa Pater → Ita Pater; catholicam, qnam → catholicam, quam; nullis bominum → nullis hominum; Novimus ergo sequalem → Novimus ergo aequalem; contra cos Verbum → contra eos Verbum; qui potest. noverit → qui potest, noverit.

Topics: Christology, Trinity

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Tract. Ev. Jo. 18.2 (PL 35:1535–1537; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-tractatus-ioannem/18-1/#p-18-2). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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18.3PL 35:1537

Quid ergo eis dicit? Respondit itaque Jesus, et dixit eis, commotis quod aequalem se faceret Deo, Amen, amen dico vobis, non potest Filius a se facere quidquam, nisi quod viderit Patrem facientem. Ad hxc quid responderint Judaei, scriplum non est: et for­ tasse tacuerunt. Quidam tamen, qui christianos se ha­ beri volunt, non tacent, et quodammodo ex his ver­ bis concipiunt quaedam dicenda contra nos: quae con­ temnenda non sunt, et propter ipsos et propter nos. Ariani quippe haeretici dicentes, non per carnem, sed ante carnem, Filium ipsum qui suscepit carnem, mi­ norem esse quam Pater est, et non esse ejusdem sub­ stantiae cujus Pater est, capiunt ex his verbis ansam calumniæ, et respondent nobis: Videtis quia Dominus Jesus, cum animadverteret Judaeos ex hoc moveri, quod Patri Deo æqualem se faceret, talia verba sub­ junxit, ut se æqualem non esse monstraret. Movebat enim Judaeos, aiunt, adversus Christum, quia aequalem se faciebat Deo; et volens eos corrigere ab hoc motu Christus, et eis demonstrare Filium non esse æqua­ lem Patri, id est, aequalem Deo, ait, quasi dicens, Quid irascimini? quid indignamini? Non sum aequalis, quia non potest Filius a se facere quidquam, nisi quod viderit Patrem facientem. Qui enim non potest, inquiunt, facere a se quidquam, nisi quod viderit Patrem facientem, utique minor cst, non æqualis.

What, then, does he say to them? “So Jesus answered and said to them,” disturbed as they were that he made himself equal to God, “Amen, amen, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of himself except what he sees the Father doing.” What the Jews answered to this is not written; and perhaps they were silent. Yet certain people who want to be considered Christians are not silent, and in a way conceive from these words certain things to say against us, which are not to be despised, both for their sake and for ours. For the Arian heretics, who say that the Son himself who took flesh is less than the Father, not by the flesh but before the flesh, and is not of the same substance as the Father, take from these words a handle for slander, and answer us: “You see that the Lord Jesus, when he noticed that the Jews were disturbed by his making himself equal to God the Father, added such words as to show that he was not equal. For it disturbed the Jews against Christ,” they say, “that he made himself equal to God; and Christ, wanting to correct them from this disturbance and to show them that the Son is not equal to the Father, that is, equal to God, said, as though saying: Why are you angry? Why are you indignant? I am not equal, because the Son can do nothing of himself except what he sees the Father doing. For he who cannot,” they say, “do anything of himself except what he sees the Father doing is surely less, not equal.”

John 5:19 (quotation, high confidence) · John 5:18 (allusion, high confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: The Arians take Christ's saying that the Son can do nothing of himself as proof that the Son is less than the Father.

  • Augustine presents the Arian argument in their own words before answering it; the Arians are named as heretics.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR letter slip; OCR letter slips): dixit eia, → dixit eis,; ex his verhis → ex his verbis; Qui enim nou potest, inquiunt, (acere → Qui enim non potest, inquiunt, facere.

Topics: Trinity, Heresy

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Tract. Ev. Jo. 18.3 (PL 35:1537; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-tractatus-ioannem/18-1/#p-18-3). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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18.4PL 35:1537

In hac regula cordis sui distorta et prava, haere­ ticus audiat nos nondum objurgantes, sed adhuc quasi quaerentes, et explicet nobis quod sentit. Puto enim, o quisquis ille es (faciamus enim eum tanquam præ­ sentem adesse), tenes nobiscum quia in principio erat Verbum. Teneo, inquit. Et quia Verbum erat apud Deum? Et hoc, inquit, teneo. Sequere ergo, et hoc fortius tene, quia Deus erat Verbum. Et hoc, inquit, teneo: sed ille Deus major, ille Deus minor. Jam nescio quid paganum redolet: cum christiano me lo­ qui arbitrabar. Si est Deus major, et est Deus minor; duos deos colimus, non unum Deum. Quare, inquit? et tu non duos deos dicis aequales sibi? Hoc ego non dico: aequalitatem enim istam sic intelligo, ut ibi in. telligam etiam individuam charitatem; et si indivi­ duam charitatem, perfectam unitatem. Si enim cha­ ritas quam misit hominibus Deus, de multis hominum cordibus facit cor unum, et multas hominum animas facit animam unam, sicut de credentibus seseque in­ vicem diligentibus scriptum est in Actibus Apostolo­ rum, Erat illis anima una, et cor unum in Deum: si ergo anima mea et anima tua, cum idem sapimus nosque diligimus, fit anima una: quanto magis Pater Dcus et Filius Deus in fonte dilectionis Deus unus est?

In this distorted and crooked rule of his heart, let the heretic hear us, not yet rebuking but still, as it were, inquiring, and let him explain to us what he thinks. For I suppose, whoever you are (for let us imagine him present), you hold with us that “in the beginning was the Word.” “I hold it,” he says. And that “the Word was with God”? “That too,” he says, “I hold.” Follow on, then, and hold this more firmly: that “the Word was God.” “That too,” he says, “I hold; but that God is greater, this God is less.” Now something smells of paganism: I thought I was speaking with a Christian. If there is a greater God and a lesser God, we worship two gods, not one God. “Why?” he says. “Do you not also say two gods equal to each other?” I do not say this; for I understand this equality in such a way as to understand there also an undivided love; and if undivided love, perfect unity. For if the love that God sent to men makes of many human hearts one heart, and of many human souls one soul, as it is written in the Acts of the Apostles of those who believed and loved one another, “They had one soul and one heart toward God”: if, then, my soul and your soul, when we think alike and love each other, become one soul, how much more are God the Father and God the Son one God in the fountain of love?

John 1:1 (quotation, high confidence) · Acts 4:32 (quotation, high confidence) · Rom 5:5 (allusion, medium confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: To speak of a greater and a lesser God is pagan; the equal Father and Son are not two gods but one God, united in a love far greater than that which made the first believers one soul.

  • Augustine's text of Acts 4:32 reads in Deum (“toward God”).

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR letter slip; OCR letter slips; OCR: joined words; OCR: period for comma): Iti hac regula → In hac regula; præ­ sentem adesse). → præ­ sentem adesse),; Hoc ego noa dico → Hoc ego non dico; rins quam misit → ritas quam misit; illisanima → illis anima.

Topics: Trinity, Heresy

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Tract. Ev. Jo. 18.4 (PL 35:1537; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-tractatus-ioannem/18-1/#p-18-4). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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18.5PL 35:1537–1539

Verum ad haec verba, quibus commotum est cor tuum, intende, et recole mecum quod de Verbo re­ quirebamus. Jam tenemus, Deus erat Verbum: ad­ jungo aliud, quia cum dixisset, Hoc erat in principio apud Deum, continuo subjecit Evangelista, Omnia per ipsum facta sunt. Nunc te quærendo exagito, nunc te contra te moveo, et tc contra te interpello: tene tan­ tum memoriter ista de Verbo, quia Deus erat Verbum, et omnia per ipsum facta sunt. Audi jam verba quibus commotus es, ut minorem diceres Filium, nempe quia dixit, Non potest Filius a se facere quidquam, nisi quod viderit Patrem facientem. Ita, inquit. Expone hoc mihi paululum: sic, quantum opinor, intelligis, quo­ niam quacdam facit Pater, Filius autem attendit quem­ admodum faciat Pater, ut possit et ipse ea facere quae viderit Patrem facientem. Duos quasi fabros con­ stituisti: ita Patrem ct Filium, ut eliam magistrum et discipulum, quomodo solent patres fabri docere filios suos artem suam. Ecce descendo ad carnalem sensum tuum, ita interim cogito ut tu: videamus si cogitatio haec nostra inveniat exitum secundum illa quæ jam dc Verbo pariter locuti sumus pariterque sentimus, quia Deus Verbum, et omnia per ipsum facta sunt. Pone igitur Patrem tanquam fabrum, quae­ dam opera facientem, Filium autem tanquam discipu­ lum, qui non potest facere quidquam, nisi quod viderit Patrem facientem: intendit enim quodammodo in ma­ nus Patris, ut quomodo viderit eum fabricare, sic et ipse tale aliquid fabricet in operibus suis. Sed Patcr iste omnia illa quae facit, et vult ut attendat eum Fi­ lius et talia et ipse faciat; per quem facit? Eia nunc est ut adsis sententiae tuæ priori, quam mecum recen­ suisti mecumque tenuisti, quia in principio Verbum, et apud Deum Verbum, et Deus Verbum, et omnia per ipsum facta sunt. Tu ergo cum mecum tenueris quia per Verbum facta sunt omnia; rursum carnali sapore et pucrili motu facis tibi in animo Deum facientem, et Verbum attendentem, ut cum fecerit Deus, faciat et Verbum. Quid enim facit Deus praeter Verbum? Si enim facit, non omnia per Verbum facta sunt; perdi­ disti quod tenebas: si autem omnia per Verbum facta sunt, corrige quod male intelligebas. Fecit Pater, et non fecit nisi per Verbum: quomodo attendit Ver­ bum, ut videat Patrem facientem sine Verbo, quod si­ militer faciat Verbum? Quidquid fecit Pater, per Verbum fecit: aut falsum est, Omnia per ipsum facta sunt. Sed verum est, Omnia per ipsum facta sunt. Parum fortasse tibi videbatur? Et sine ipso factum est nihil.

But attend to these words by which your heart was disturbed, and recall with me what we were inquiring about the Word. We already hold that “the Word was God.” I add another thing: that when he had said, “He was in the beginning with God,” the evangelist at once added, “All things were made through him.” Now I press you with questions, now I move you against yourself, and appeal to you against yourself. Only hold firmly in memory these things about the Word: that “the Word was God,” and “all things were made through him.” Hear now the words by which you were disturbed so as to call the Son less: namely, because he said, “The Son can do nothing of himself except what he sees the Father doing.” “Yes,” he says. Explain this to me a little: you understand it thus, as far as I suppose, that the Father does certain things, and the Son watches how the Father does them, so that he too may be able to do the things he sees the Father doing. You have set up two craftsmen, as it were: the Father and the Son as master and pupil, just as craftsman fathers usually teach their sons their craft. See, I am coming down to your carnal sense; for the moment I think as you do. Let us see whether this thought of ours finds a way out according to what we have already said together about the Word and think together: that the Word is God, and all things were made through him. Suppose, then, the Father as a craftsman doing certain works, and the Son as a pupil who can do nothing except what he sees the Father doing: for he looks, as it were, at the Father's hands, so that as he sees him fashion, so he too may fashion something like it in his own works. But all those things that this Father does, and wants the Son to watch him and do the like himself, through whom does he do them? Now is the time for you to stand by your former statement, which you went over with me and held with me: that in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God, and all things were made through him. So, since you held with me that all things were made through the Word, again with carnal savor and childish impulse you picture in your mind God making and the Word watching, so that when God has made, the Word may make too. For what does God make apart from the Word? For if he makes anything apart from the Word, not all things were made through the Word: you have lost what you held. But if all things were made through the Word, correct what you understood badly. The Father made, and he made only through the Word: how does the Word watch to see the Father making without the Word, so that the Word may make the like? Whatever the Father made, he made through the Word; or else it is false that “all things were made through him.” But it is true: “All things were made through him.” Did that perhaps seem too little to you? “And without him nothing was made.”

John 1:1 (quotation, high confidence) · John 1:2 (quotation, high confidence) · John 1:3 (quotation, high confidence) · John 5:19 (quotation, high confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: If the Son only imitated what he saw the Father do, like an apprentice, not all things would be made through the Word, contrary to John 1:3; the Father does nothing except through the Son.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR letter slip; OCR letter slips; OCR: garbled word; stray hyphen): Hoc erat ill principio → Hoc erat in principio; tene lan → tene tan; erat -Verbum → erat Verbum; niti quod viderit → nisi quod viderit; cogitatio h,cc nostra → cogitatio haec nostra; ipsum (acta sunt → ipsum facta sunt; iutendiL → intendit; viderit cum fabricare → viderit eum fabricare; illa quae tacit → illa quae facit; quain mecum → quam mecum; Si enim tacit → Si enim facit; dist! quod → disti quod; Paron fortasse → Parum fortasse.

Topics: Trinity

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Tract. Ev. Jo. 18.5 (PL 35:1537–1539; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-tractatus-ioannem/18-1/#p-18-5). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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18.6PL 35:1539

Recede ergo ab ista carnis prudentia, et quaera­ mus quemadmodum dictum sit, Non potest Filius a se facere quidquam, nisi quod viderit Patrem facientem. Quaeramus, si digni sumus qui apprehendamus. Fa­ teor enim, magna res est, ardua omnino, videre Pa­ trem facientem per Filium, non singula opera facien­ tem Patrem et Filium sed quodlibet opus Patrem per Filium, ut nulla opera fiant vel a Patre sine Filio, vel a Filio sine Patre: quia omnia per ipsum facta sunt, et sine ipso factum est nihil. Quibus in fundamento fidei firmissime constitutis, jam quale est videre, quia non potest Filius a se facere quidquam, nisi quod viderit Patrem facientem? Quæris, ut opinor, nosse Filium fa­ cientem; quære prius nosse Filium videntem. Certe cnim quid ait? Non potest Filius a se facere quidquam, nisi quod viderit Patrem facientem. Intendc quod dixit, nisi quod viderit Patrem facientem. Præcedit visio, et sequitur effectio: videt enim ut faciat. Tu quid quae­ ris jam nosse quomodo faciat, dum nondum scias quomodo videat? Quid curris ad id quod posterius est, relicto quod prius est? Videntem se dixit et fa­ cientem; non, facientem et videntem: quia non po­ test a se facere quidquam, nisi quod viderit Patrem fa­ cientem. Vis ut explicem tibi quomodo faciat? Tu mihi explica quomodo videat. Si hoc tu explicare non po­ tes, nec ego illud: si hoc tu percipere nondum es idoneus, nec ego illud. Uterque ergo nostrum quærat, uterque pulset, ut uterque accipere mereatur. Quid quasi doctus calumniaris indocto? Ego ad faciendum, tu ad videndum, ambo indocti a magistro quæramus, non in schola ejus pueriliter litigemus. Tamen simul jam didicimus quia omnia per ipsum facta sunt. Ergo manifestum est quia non alia opera facit Pater, quæ videat Filius, ut ipse faciat similia: sed eadem opera facit Pater per Filium, quia omnia per Verbum facta sunt. Jam quomodo faciat Deus quis novit? Non dico quomodo fecerit mundum, sed quomodo fecerit ocu­ lum tuum, cui carnaliter inhærens, visibilia invisibi­ libus comparas. Talia enim de Deo cogitas, qualia his oculis videre consuesti. Si autem istis oculis videri pos­ set Deus, non diceret, Beati mundo corde, quia ipsi Deum videbunt. Ergo habes oculum corporis ad videndum fabrum, sed nondum habes oculum cordis ad videndum Deum: ideo quod soles viderc in fabro, trans­ ferre vis ad Deum. Pone in terra terrena, sursum cor.

So withdraw from that prudence of the flesh, and let us inquire how it was said, “The Son can do nothing of himself except what he sees the Father doing.” Let us inquire, if we are worthy to grasp it. For I confess it is a great matter, altogether arduous, to see the Father working through the Son: not the Father and the Son each doing separate works, but the Father doing any work through the Son, so that no works are done either by the Father without the Son or by the Son without the Father; for “all things were made through him, and without him nothing was made.” With these things most firmly set in the foundation of faith, what now is it to see that “the Son can do nothing of himself except what he sees the Father doing”? You seek, I suppose, to know the Son doing; first seek to know the Son seeing. For certainly what does he say? “The Son can do nothing of himself except what he sees the Father doing.” Attend to what he said: “except what he sees the Father doing.” Seeing goes before, and doing follows: for he sees in order to do. Why do you seek now to know how he does, when you do not yet know how he sees? Why do you run to what comes after, leaving what comes before? He called himself seeing and doing, not doing and seeing: because “he can do nothing of himself except what he sees the Father doing.” Do you want me to explain to you how he does? You explain to me how he sees. If you cannot explain this, neither can I that; if you are not yet fit to perceive this, neither am I that. So let each of us seek, let each of us knock, so that each may deserve to receive. Why do you slander the unlearned as though you were learned? I for the doing, you for the seeing, both unlearned, let us inquire of the Master, and not quarrel childishly in his school. Yet we have already learned together that all things were made through him. So it is plain that the Father does not do other works which the Son sees, so that he may do the like himself; but the Father does the same works through the Son, because all things were made through the Word. Now who knows how God makes? I do not say how he made the world, but how he made your eye, clinging to which carnally you compare visible things with invisible. For you think of God such things as you are accustomed to see with these eyes. But if God could be seen with these eyes, he would not say, “Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God.” So you have the eye of the body to see a craftsman, but you do not yet have the eye of the heart to see God; therefore what you are accustomed to see in a craftsman you want to transfer to God. Put earthly things on the earth; lift up your heart.

John 5:19 (quotation, high confidence) · John 1:3 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 7:7 (allusion, medium confidence) · Matt 5:8 (quotation, high confidence) · Col 3:2 (allusion, medium confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: The Father does all his works through the Son, not separately; we cannot yet understand how the Son sees the Father, let alone how he acts, and must not picture God like a human craftsman.

  • “Lift up your heart” (sursum cor) echoes the Sursum corda of the liturgy.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR letter slip; OCR letter slips; OCR: joined words; OCR: joined words and letter slip; OCR: split word): etquxra → et quaera; Non potest Filiut a te facere → Non potest Filius a se facere; Patrem et Filinm sed → Patrem et Filium sed; jam qnale est viderc, qnia → jam quale est videre, quia; nou po → non po; necego illud → nec ego illud; lu ad Videndum → tu ad videndum; Tanien simul → Tamen simul; sel Deus → set Deus; ocuium cordis → oculum cordis; ad v idendum Deum → ad videndum Deum.

Topics: Trinity

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Tract. Ev. Jo. 18.6 (PL 35:1539; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-tractatus-ioannem/18-1/#p-18-6). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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18.7PL 35:1539

Quid ergo, charissimi? explicaturi sumus nos quod interrogavimus, quomodo videat Verbum, quo­ modo Pater videatur a Verbo, quid sit videre Verbi? Non sum tam audax, tam temerarius, ut hoc explica­ re pollicear et me et vos: utcumque suspicor modulum vestrum, novi tamen meum. Si ergo placet, non diutius immoremur, percurramus lectionem, et videa­ mus verbis Domini turbari corda carnalia; ad hoc tur bari, ne in eo quod tenent remaneant. Extorqueatur tanquam pueris ludicrum nescio quid, quo se malo avocant, ut possint inseri utiliora grandioribus, ut possint proficere qui repebant in terra. Surge, quære, suspira, anhela desiderio, et ad clausa pulsa. Si au­ tem nondum desidcramus, nondum inhiamus, non­ dum suspiramus, margaritas quibuscumque projecturi sumus, aut margaritas qualescumque nos ipsi inven­ turi sumus. Moverim ergo, charissimi, desiderium in corde vestro. Mores perducunt ad intelligentiam: ge­ nus vitæ perducit ad genus vitæ. Alia vita terrena, alia vita coelestis; alia vita pecorum, alia vita homi­ num, alia vita Angelorum. Vita pecorum terrenis vo­ luptatibus æstuat, sola terrena conquirit, in ca prona atque projecta est: vita Angelorum sola coelestis: vita hominum media est inter Angelorum et pecorum. Si vivit homo secundum carnem, pecoribus comparatur: si vivit secundum spiritum, Angelis sociatur. Quando secundum spiritum vivis, quære etiam in ipsa ange­ lica vita utrum parvus an grandis sis. Si cnim adhuc parvus es, dicunt tibi Angeli: Cresce; nos panem manducamus, tu lacte nutrire, lacte fidei, ut perve­ nias ad cibum speciei: Si autem adhuc inhiatur sordi­ dis voluptatibus, si adhuc fraudes cogitantur, si mcn­ dacia non vitantur, si mendacia -perjuriis cumulantur; tam immundum cor audet dicere, Explica mihi quo­ modo videt Verbum; ctiam si possim, ctiam si ego jam videam? Porro autem si forte ego non sum in his moribus, et tamen ab ista visione longe sum; quantum ille qui nondum isto superno desiderio rapitur, terre­ nis desideriis prægravatus? Multum interest inter aversantem et desiderantem: et iterum multum inter­ est inter desiderantem et fruentem. Vivis ut pecora, aversaris: Angeli perfruuntur. Tu autem si non vivis ut pecora, jam non aversaris: desideras aliquid, et non capis; inchoasti ipso desiderio vitam Angelorum. Crescat in te, et perficiatur in te; et capias hoc non a me, sed ab illo qui et me fecit et te.

What then, dearly beloved? Are we going to explain what we asked: how the Word sees, how the Father is seen by the Word, what the seeing of the Word is? I am not so bold, so rash, as to promise to explain this either to myself or to you: however I may guess your measure, I know my own. If you please, then, let us not linger longer; let us run through the reading and see carnal hearts troubled by the Lord's words: troubled for this, that they may not remain in what they hold. Let some toy or other be wrested away, as from children, with which they amuse themselves to their harm, so that more useful things may be put in place for the older, so that those who crawled on the earth may advance. Get up, seek, sigh, pant with desire, and knock at what is shut. But if we do not yet desire, do not yet long, do not yet sigh, we shall be throwing pearls to anyone at all, or we ourselves shall find pearls of no value. So, dearly beloved, may I have stirred up desire in your heart. Ways of life lead to understanding; a kind of life leads to a kind of life. Earthly life is one thing, heavenly life another; the life of beasts is one, the life of men another, the life of angels another. The life of beasts seethes with earthly pleasures, seeks only earthly things, is bent and thrown down toward them; the life of angels is heavenly only; the life of men is midway between angels and beasts. If a man lives according to the flesh, he is compared to beasts; if he lives according to the spirit, he is joined to the angels. When you live according to the spirit, ask, even within that angelic life, whether you are small or grown. For if you are still small, the angels say to you: Grow; we eat bread, you are nourished with milk, the milk of faith, so that you may come to the food of sight. But if there is still a gaping after filthy pleasures, if frauds are still planned, if lies are not avoided, if lies are piled up with perjuries, does so unclean a heart dare to say, “Explain to me how the Word sees,” even if I could, even if I already saw it myself? Moreover, if perhaps I am not in such ways of life and yet am far from this vision, how far is he who is not yet carried away by this heavenly desire, weighed down by earthly desires? There is a great difference between one who turns away and one who desires; and again a great difference between one who desires and one who enjoys. You live like beasts: you turn away. The angels enjoy fully. But you, if you do not live like beasts, no longer turn away: you desire something, and you do not grasp it; by that very desire you have begun the life of the angels. May it grow in you and be perfected in you; and may you grasp this not from me, but from him who made both me and you.

Matt 7:7 (allusion, medium confidence) · Matt 7:6 (allusion, medium confidence) · Rom 8:13 (allusion, medium confidence) · 1 Cor 3:2 (allusion, high confidence) · Heb 5:12 (allusion, medium confidence) · 2 Cor 5:7 (allusion, medium confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: How the Word sees cannot be explained; understanding follows a way of life, and only those who live according to the spirit and grow in holy desire can approach the vision.

  • The pearls allude to Matt 7:6. “The food of sight” (cibus speciei) contrasts faith with seeing (cf. 2 Cor 5:7).

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR letter slip; OCR letter slips; OCR: l read as 1): Non sum taio audax → Non sum tam audax; 1 acte fidei → lacte fidei; specici: Si antem → speciei: Si autem; si adhoc fraudes → si adhuc fraudes; iinmundum → immundum; islo superno → isto superno; aversanlem → aversantem; perticiatur → perficiatur.

Topics: Ethics

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Tract. Ev. Jo. 18.7 (PL 35:1539; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-tractatus-ioannem/18-1/#p-18-7). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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18.8PL 35:1539–1541

Tamen non utcumque nos dimisit et Dominus, qui voluit intelligi quia in eo quod dixit, Non potest Filius a se facere quidquam, nisi quod viderit Patrem facientem, non alia opera Pater facit quæ videat Filius, et alia Filius cum viderit Patrem facientem; sed eadem opera ipse ct Pater ct Filius. Secutus enim ait: Quaecumque cnim ille fecerit, hæc et Fi­ lius similiter facit. Non cum ille fecerit, alia Filius similiter facit; sed quæcumque ille fecerit, hæc ct Fi­ lius similiter facit. Si haec facit Filius quæ fecerit Pa­ ter, per Filium facit Pater: si per Filium facit quæ facit Pater, non alia Pater, alia Filius facit; sed ca­ dem opera sunt Patris et Filii. Et quomodo cadcin facit et Filius? Et cadem et similiter. Ne forte cadem sed dissimiliter: Eadem, inquit, et similiter. Et quo­ modo posset eadem non similiter! Accipite exemplum, quod puto ad vos non sit grande: cum scribimus lit­ teras, facit eas primo cor nostrum, et deinde manus nostra. Certe unde omnes acclamastis, nisi quia co­ gnovistis? Certum est quod dixi, et manifestum omni­ bus nobis. Literae fiunt primo a corde nostro, deinde a corpore nostro; manus scrvit imperanti cordi, eas­ dem litteras facit et cor et manus: numquid alias cor, alias manus? Easdem quidem facit manus, sed non si­ militer: cor enim nostrum facit eas intelligibiliter, manus autem visibiliter. Ecce quomodo fiunt cadem dissimiliter. Unde parum fuit Domino dicere, Quæ­ cumque Pater fecerit, hæc et Filius facit, nisi adderet, et similiter. Quid si enim hoc modo intelligeres quo­ modo quæcumque cor facit, hæc et manus facit, sed non similiter? Hic vero addidit, hæc et Filius similiter facit. Si et haec facit, et similiter facit, expergiscere, stringatur Judxus, credat Christianus, convincatur hæreticus; aequalis est Patri Filius.

Yet the Lord did not leave us just anyhow either; he wanted it to be understood that in saying, “The Son can do nothing of himself except what he sees the Father doing,” it is not that the Father does some works which the Son sees, and the Son others when he has seen the Father doing them; but the same works are done by both the Father and the Son. For he goes on to say: “For whatever he does, these the Son also does likewise.” Not, when he has done something, the Son does other things likewise; but “whatever he does, these the Son also does likewise.” If the Son does these things that the Father does, the Father does them through the Son; if the Father does through the Son what he does, the Father does not do some things and the Son others, but the works of the Father and of the Son are the same. And how does the Son do the same? Both the same and likewise. Lest perhaps they be the same but done unlike: the same, he says, and likewise. And how could the same be done not likewise? Take an example which I think is not too great for you. When we write letters, our heart makes them first, and then our hand. Certainly why did you all exclaim, unless because you recognized it? What I said is certain and plain to all of us. Letters are made first by our heart, then by our body; the hand serves the heart that commands; both heart and hand make the same letters. Does the heart make some, the hand others? The hand makes the same ones indeed, but not likewise: for our heart makes them intelligibly, the hand visibly. See how the same things are made unlike. Hence it was too little for the Lord to say, “Whatever the Father does, these the Son also does,” unless he added, “likewise.” For what if you understood it in the way in which whatever the heart does, the hand also does, but not likewise? But here he added, “these the Son also does likewise.” If he both does these things and does them likewise, wake up: let the Jew be held fast, let the Christian believe, let the heretic be convicted: the Son is equal to the Father.

John 5:19 (quotation, high confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: The Son does the very same works as the Father and in the same way, unlike the hand that writes the same letters as the heart but in another manner; therefore the Son is equal to the Father.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR letter slip; OCR letter slips; OCR: dropped letters; stray period): nun alia opera → non alia opera; alia Filius similiter facil → alia Filius similiter facit; Aocipite → Accipite; deinde man nostra → deinde manus nostra; acciamastis → acclamastis; Literae flunt → Literae fiunt; imperanli → imperanti; Hlteras → litteras; numqnid alas cor → numquid alias cor; nostrum farcit eas intelligibiliter, manus aotem → nostrum facit eas intelligibiliter, manus autem; . cumque Pater fecerit → cumque Pater fecerit; requalis est Patri → aequalis est Patri.

Topics: Trinity, Heresy

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Tract. Ev. Jo. 18.8 (PL 35:1539–1541; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-tractatus-ioannem/18-1/#p-18-8). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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18.9PL 35:1541

Pater enirn diligit Filium, et omnia demonstrat ei quæ ipse facit. Ecce est illud, denum­ stral. Demonstrat quasi cui? Utique quasi videnti. Re­ dimus ad id quod explicare non possumus, quomodo Verbum videat. Ecce homo factus est per Verbum; sed homo hahet oculos, habet aures, habet manus, diversa membra in corpore: per oculos potest videre, per aures potest audire, per manus opcrari; diversa membra, diversa membrorum officia Non potest illud membrum quod potest alterum: tamcn propter cor­ poris unitatem, oculus et sibi et auri videt, et auris sibi et oculo audit. Numquid tale aliquid in Verbo ar­ bitrandum est esse; quoniam omnia per ipsum? Et dixit Scriptura in Psalmo, Intelligite, qui insipientes estis in populo; et stulti, aliquando sapite. Qui plantavit aurem non audiet? aut qui finxit oculum non considerat? Si ergo finxit oculum Verbum, quia omnia per Verbum; si plantavit aurem Verbum, quia omnia per Verbum: non possumus dicere, Non audit Verbum, non videt Verbum; ne objurget nos Psalmus, et dicat, Stulti, aliquando sapite. Itaque si audit Verbum et videt Verbum, audit Filius et videt Filius: numquid tamen et in ipso diversis locis quæ­ situri sumus oculos et aures? Aliunde audit, aliunde videt; et auris ejus non potest quod oculus, et oculus non potest quod potest auris? An totus ille visus est, et totus auditus? Forte ita: imo non forte, sed vere ita; dum tamen et ipsum ejus videre, et ipsum ejus audire, longe alio modo quam nostrum sit Et videre et audire simul in Verbo est, nec aliud est ibi audire, et aliud videre; sed auditus visus, et visus auditus.

“For the Father loves the Son, and shows him all that he himself does.” See, there it is: “shows.” Shows as to whom? Surely as to one who sees. We come back to what we cannot explain, how the Word sees. See, man was made through the Word; but man has eyes, has ears, has hands, different members in the body: through the eyes he can see, through the ears he can hear, through the hands work; different members, different functions of the members. One member cannot do what another can; yet because of the unity of the body, the eye sees both for itself and for the ear, and the ear hears both for itself and for the eye. Is anything of the kind to be thought to be in the Word, since all things were made through him? And Scripture said in the psalm: “Understand, you senseless among the people; and you fools, be wise at last. He who planted the ear, will he not hear? Or he who formed the eye, does he not observe?” If, then, the Word formed the eye, because all things were made through the Word; if the Word planted the ear, because all things were made through the Word: we cannot say, “The Word does not hear, the Word does not see,” lest the psalm rebuke us and say, “Fools, be wise at last.” So if the Word hears and the Word sees, the Son hears and the Son sees: but are we to look for eyes and ears in different places in him too? Does he hear with one part, see with another; and can his ear not do what his eye can, and his eye not do what his ear can? Or is he wholly sight and wholly hearing? Perhaps so; rather, not perhaps, but truly so; provided, however, that his very seeing and his very hearing are in a manner far other than ours. In the Word, seeing and hearing are together; and hearing is not one thing there and seeing another, but hearing is sight and sight is hearing.

John 5:20 (quotation, high confidence) · John 1:3 (allusion, high confidence) · 1 Cor 12:17 (allusion, medium confidence) · Ps 94:8 (93:8 Vulg.) (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 94:9 (93:9 Vulg.) (quotation, high confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: The Word, who made eye and ear, both sees and hears, but not with separate members: in him seeing and hearing are one.

  • Ps 94:8–9 (93:8–9 Vulgate).

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR letter slip; OCR letter slips): ad id qnod → ad id quod; quomodo Yerbum videat → quomodo Verbum videat; ocolus et sibi → oculus et sibi; lntelligite → Intelligite; auc qui finxit → aut qui finxit; quta omnia → quia omnia; nes Psalmus → nos Psalmus; et octies non potest → et oculus non potest; sod vere ita → sed vere ita; et ipsam ejus videre → et ipsum ejus videre; audire simnl → audire simul.

Topics: Trinity

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Tract. Ev. Jo. 18.9 (PL 35:1541; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-tractatus-ioannem/18-1/#p-18-9). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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18.10PL 35:1541

Et nos qui aliter audimus, aliter videmus, hoc unde novimus? Redimus forte ad nos, si non sumus prævaricatores, quibus dictum est, Redite, prævarica­ tores, ad cor. Redite ad cor: quid itis a vobis, et peritis ex vobis? quid itis solitudinis vias? Erratis vagando; redite. Quo? Ad Dominum. Cito est: primo redi ad cor tuum, exsul a te vagaris foris; teipsum non nosti, et quaeris a quo factus es! Redi, redi ad cor, tolle te a corpore: corpus tuum habitatio tua est; cor tuum sentit etiam per corpus tuum: sed corpus tuum non quod cor tuum; dimitte et corpus tuum, rcdi ad cor tuum. In corpore tuo in­ veniebas alibi oculus, alibi aures: in corde tuo num­ quid hoc invenis? An in corde tuo non habes aures? De quibus ergo Dominus dicebat, Qui habet aures au­ diendi, audiat? An in corde non habes oculos? Unde dicit Apostolus, Illuminatos oculos cordis vestri. Redi ad cor; vide ibi quid sentias forte de Deo, quia ibi cst imago Dei. In inte­ riore homine habitat Christus, in in­ teriore homine renovaris ad imaginem Dei, in imagine sua cognosce auctorem cjus. Vide quemadmodum omnes corporis sensus cordi intro nuntient quid sen­ s'erint foris: vide quam multos ministros habeat unus interior imperator, et quid apud se etiam sine his mi­ nistris agat. Renuntiant oculi cordi alba et nigra; re­ nuntiant aures eidem cordi canora et dissona; renun­ tiant nares eidem cordi odora et putentia; renuntiat gustus eidcm cordi amara et dulcia; renuntiat tactus eidem cordi lenia et aspera: renuntiat et sibi ipsum cor justa et injusta. Cor tuum et videt et audit, ei cætera sensibilia dijudicat; et quo non aspirant cor­ poris sensus, justa et injusta, mala et bona discernit. Ostende mihi oculos, aures, nares cordis tui. Diversa sunt quae ad cor tuum refcruntur, et diversa ibi mem­ bra non inveniuntur. In carne tua alibi audis, alibi vi­ des: in corde tuo ibi audis, ubi vides. Si hoc imago, quanto potentius ille cujus imago? Ergo et audit Fi­ lius, et videt Filius, et ipsa visio et auditio Filius: et hoc est illi audire quod esse, et hoc est illi videre quod esse. Tibi non hoc est videre quod esse: quia et si per­ das visum, potes esse; et si perdas auditum, potes esse.

And we, who hear in one way and see in another, how do we know this? Perhaps we come back to ourselves, if we are not transgressors, to whom it was said, “Return, you transgressors, to the heart.” Return to the heart: why do you go away from yourselves and perish out of yourselves? Why do you go the ways of solitude? You wander and go astray: return. Where? To the Lord. It is quick: first return to your heart; an exile from yourself, you wander outside; you do not know yourself, and you seek him by whom you were made! Return, return to the heart, withdraw yourself from the body: your body is your dwelling; your heart perceives even through your body; but your body is not what your heart is; leave even your body, return to your heart. In your body you found the eye in one place, the ears in another: do you find this in your heart? Or do you not have ears in your heart? Of which then did the Lord say, “He who has ears to hear, let him hear”? Or do you not have eyes in the heart? Why then does the apostle say, “The eyes of your heart enlightened”? Return to the heart; see there what you perhaps perceive of God, because the image of God is there. In the inner man Christ dwells; in the inner man you are renewed to the image of God; in his image recognize its author. See how all the senses of the body report inward to the heart what they have perceived outside; see how many servants the one inner ruler has, and what he does within himself even without these servants. The eyes report to the heart white and black; the ears report to the same heart melodious and discordant; the nostrils report to the same heart fragrant and foul; taste reports to the same heart bitter and sweet; touch reports to the same heart smooth and rough; and the heart reports to itself just and unjust. Your heart both sees and hears, and judges the other objects of sense; and where the senses of the body do not reach, it distinguishes just and unjust, bad and good. Show me the eyes, ears, nostrils of your heart. Different things are referred to your heart, and different members are not found there. In your flesh you hear in one place, see in another; in your heart you hear where you see. If the image is like this, how much more powerful is he whose image it is? So the Son both hears and sees, and the Son is himself sight and hearing; and for him to hear is the same as to be, and for him to see is the same as to be. For you, to see is not the same as to be: for if you lose your sight you can still be, and if you lose your hearing you can still be.

Isa 46:8 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 11:15 (quotation, high confidence) · Eph 1:18 (quotation, high confidence) · Eph 3:17 (allusion, high confidence) · Col 3:10 (allusion, high confidence) · Gen 1:27 (allusion, medium confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: Returning to the heart, where the image of God is, we find that it sees and hears without separate organs; so much more in the Son are seeing and hearing one with his very being.

  • “Return, you transgressors, to the heart” is Isa 46:8 in the Old Latin.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR letter slip; OCR letter slips; OCR: garbled word; OCR: joined and split words; stray period; stray period and OCR capital): boc unde novimus → hoc unde novimus; si non sumas → si non sumus; quid his solitudinis → quid itis solitudinis; cor tuum,exsul a te vagaris fo. ris → cor tuum, exsul a te vagaris foris; sed. corpus → sed corpus; An ill corde → An in corde; a,,; habet aures → Qui habet aures; oculos cordia vestri → oculos cordis vestri; sentias foite → sentias forte; Vido quemadmodum → Vide quemadmodum; quam mullos ministros habeat unos interior imperator, et quid apud se etiam siite → quam multos ministros habeat unus interior imperator, et quid apud se etiam sine; numianl → nuntiant; disceruit → discernit; bra. non Inveniuntur → bra non inveniuntur; alibi nidis → alibi audis; boc est iNi audire → hoc est illi audire; boc cst illi vidcre → hoc est illi videre.

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Tract. Ev. Jo. 18.10 (PL 35:1541; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-tractatus-ioannem/18-1/#p-18-10). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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18.11PL 35:1541–1543

Putamusne pulsavimus? Erectum est aliquid in nobis quo vel tenuiter suspicemur unde lumen veniat nobis? Puto, fratres, quia cum loquimur ista, et cum meditamur, exercemus nos. Et cuni excr­ cemus nos in ipsis, ct rursus quasi reflectimur pon­ dere nostro ad ista consueta, tales sumus quales lip­ pientes, cum producuntur ad videndum lumen, si forte antea visum omnino non habebant, et incipiunt eumdem visum per diligentiam medicorum utcumque reparare. Et cum probare vult medicus quanam sa­ lutis eis accesserit, tentat eis ostendere quod videre desiderabant, et non poterant cum cæci essent: et redeunte jam utcumque acie oculorum, producuntur ad lucem; et cum viderint, fulgore ipso reverberan­ tur quodainmodo, et respondent medico demonstranti, Jam jam vidi, sed vidcre non possum. Quid ergo facit medicus? Revocat ad solita, et addit collyrium, ut ad illud quod visum est, et videri non potuit, desiderium nutriat, et ex ipso dcsidcrio curetur plenius; et si qua mordacia reparandæ sanitati adhibentur, fortiter ferat, ut amore illius lucis accensus dicat sibi: Quando erit ut illud firmis oculis videam, quod sauciis intfr­ misque non potui? Urget medicum, et rogat ut curet. Ergo, fratres, si forte tale aliquid factum est in cordi­ bus vestris, si utcumque erexistis cor vestrum ad videndum Verbum, et ipsius luce reverberati ad solita recidistis; rogate medicum ut adhibeat collyria mordacia, præcepta justitiæ. Est quod videas, sed non est unde vidcas. Non mihi antea credebas quia est quod vidcas: duce quadam ratione adductus es: propinquasti, intendisti, palpitasti, rcfugisti. Scis certe esse quod videas, sed idoneum non te csse qui videas. Ergo curare. Quae sunt collyria? Noli mentiri, noli perjurare, noli adulterare, noli furari, noli frau­ dare. Sed consuesti, et cum aliquo dolore a consuetu­ dine revocaris: hoc est quod mordet, sed sanat. Nam dico tibi liberius, ex timore et meo et tuo: si curari destiteris, et esse idoncus ad perfruendum hac luce ne­ glexeris, valetudine oculorum tuorum; tenebras amabis; et amando tcnebras, in tenebris remanebis; et remanen­ do in tenebris, etiam in tcnebras exteriores projicicris: ibi erit fletus et stridor dentium. Si nihil in te faciebat amor lucis, faciat timor doloris.

Do we think we have knocked? Has something been raised up in us by which we may even faintly guess whence light comes to us? I think, brothers, that when we speak of these things and meditate on them, we exercise ourselves. And when we exercise ourselves in them, and then fall back again, as it were, by our own weight to our usual things, we are like people with sore eyes when they are brought out to see the light: if perhaps they had previously had no sight at all, and begin to recover that sight somehow through the care of physicians. And when the physician wants to test how much health has come back to them, he tries to show them what they longed to see and could not while they were blind; and with the sharpness of their eyes now somehow returning, they are brought out to the light; and when they have seen, they are in a way beaten back by the very brightness, and they answer the physician who shows it, “I saw it just now, but I cannot look at it.” What then does the physician do? He takes them back to their usual condition and adds eye salve, so that he may nourish their desire for what was seen and could not be looked at, and from that very desire they may be cured more fully; and if any stinging remedies are applied to restore health, let the patient bear them bravely, so that, kindled by love of that light, he may say to himself, “When will it be that I see with sound eyes what I could not with sore and weak ones?” He urges the physician and asks him to cure him. So, brothers, if perhaps something of the kind has happened in your hearts, if you have somehow lifted up your heart to see the Word, and, beaten back by its light, have fallen back to your usual things, ask the physician to apply stinging eye salves, the precepts of righteousness. There is something for you to see, but you do not have the means to see it. Formerly you did not believe me that there is something for you to see: led by a certain reasoning, you have been brought to it; you drew near, you strained toward it, you trembled, you shrank back. You know for certain that there is something for you to see, but that you are not fit to see it. So be cured. What are the eye salves? Do not lie, do not perjure yourself, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not defraud. But you have been used to it, and you are called away from the habit with some pain: this is what stings, but it heals. For I tell you more frankly, out of fear both for myself and for you: if you stop being cured and neglect to become fit to enjoy this light, through the sickness of your eyes you will love darkness; and by loving darkness you will remain in darkness; and by remaining in darkness you will also be cast into the outer darkness: there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. If love of the light did nothing in you, let fear of pain do it.

Matt 7:7 (allusion, low confidence) · Rev 3:18 (allusion, medium confidence) · Exod 20:13 (allusion, medium confidence) · Exod 20:14 (allusion, medium confidence) · Exod 20:15 (allusion, medium confidence) · John 3:19 (allusion, medium confidence) · Matt 8:12 (quotation, high confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: Like a patient with healing eyes dazzled by the light, the soul glimpses the Word and falls back; it must accept the stinging salve of righteous living, or, loving darkness, be cast into outer darkness.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR letter slip; OCR letter slips; OCR: dropped letter; OCR: garbled word; OCR: joined words; OCR: joined words and letter slip; OCR: split and garbled word; OCR: split word; stray period): lumen vcuiat → lumen veniat; loquimur. ista → loquimur ista; at! ista consueta → ad ista consueta; cutndem visum → eumdem visum; probare vuit medicus quanam sa­ lutis cis accesserit → probare vult medicus quanam sa­ lutis eis accesserit; quod viJerc → quod videre; ot addit collyrium → et addit collyrium; so- Uta → solita; adbibeat → adhibeat; præceptajustitiæ → præcepta justitiæ; Est quod rideas → Est quod videas; Non mihi anea credebas → Non mihi antea credebas; adductas es: propinquasti, intcedisti, palpitasli → adductus es: propinquasti, intendisti, palpitasti; qu >d videas → quod videas; tcnebrasamabis → tenebras amabis; etinm in → etiam in; f ciat timor → faciat timor.

Topics: Ethics

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Tract. Ev. Jo. 18.11 (PL 35:1541–1543; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-tractatus-ioannem/18-1/#p-18-11). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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18.12PL 35:1543

Sufficienter me locutum arbitror, et lectionem tamen evangelicam non finivi: si dicam reliqua onerabo vos, et timeo ne etiam quod haustum est effun­ datur; sufficiant ergo ista Cbaritati vestræ. Debitores sumus, non nunc, sed semper quamdiu vivimus; quia propter vos vivimus. Verumtamen vitam nostram istam infirmam, laboriosam, pcriculosam, in hoc mundo consolamini bene vivendo, nolite nos contri­ stare et atterere malis moribus vestris. Cum enim offen­ dimur mala vita vestra, si refugiamus a vobis, et separe­ mus nos a vobis, et ad vos non accedamus; nonne conque­ remini, et dicetis: Et si languebamus, curaretis; et si infirmabamur, visitaretis? Ecce curamus, ecce visita­ mus sed non nobis fiat quomodo audistis ab Apostolo, Timeo ne sine causa laboraverim in vos.

I think I have spoken sufficiently, and yet I have not finished the Gospel reading: if I say the rest I shall burden you, and I fear that even what has been drawn may be spilled; so let this suffice your Charity. We are debtors, not now only, but always as long as we live; for we live for your sake. But console this weak, laborious, perilous life of ours in this world by living well; do not sadden us and wear us down by your bad ways. For when we are offended by your bad life, if we flee from you and separate ourselves from you and do not come near you, will you not complain and say, “Even if we were sick, you should have cured us; and if we were weak, you should have visited us”? See, we cure, see, we visit; but let it not happen to us as you heard from the apostle: “I fear that I may have labored over you in vain.”

Rom 1:14 (allusion, low confidence) · Matt 25:36 (allusion, medium confidence) · Gal 4:11 (quotation, high confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: Augustine closes, asking his hearers to console his labors by living well, lest his work among them be in vain.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR letter slip; OCR: joined words and letter slip; OCR: split and garbled word; OCR: split word; stray apostrophe): Sufiicienter → Sufficienter; one- J'abo → onerabo; cons lamini → consolamini; ctseparc → et separe; laboraverim in vos'. → laboraverim in vos..

Topics: Church office

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Tract. Ev. Jo. 18.12 (PL 35:1543; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-tractatus-ioannem/18-1/#p-18-12). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Chapter 19

19.1PL 35:1543

Sermone pristino, quantum nostrum movit affec­ tum et intelligendi paupertatem, locuti sumus, ex occasione verborum evangelicorum, ubi scriptum est, Non potest Filius a se facere quidquam, nisi quod. viderit Patrem facientem, quid sit videre Filii, hoc cst, videre Verbi, quia Filius Verbum: et quia per Verbum facta sunt omnia, quomodo possit intelligi quod videat Filius primo Patrem facientem, tunc demum et ipse faciat quæ facta conspexerit; cum Pater nihil nisi per Filium fecerit. Omnia enim per ipsum facta sunt, et sine ipso factum est nihil. Non tamen explicatum aliquid diximus; sed quia nec explicatum aliquid intelleximus. Aliquando quip­ pc sermo deficit, ubi etiam intellectus proficit; quanto magis sermo patitur defectionem, quando in­ tellectus non habet perfectionem? Nunc itaque, quan­ tum Dominus donat, breviter percurramus lectionem, et vel hodie expleamus debitum pensum. Si quid forte remanserit vel temporis vel virium, retractabi­ mus, si potuerimus (quantum et a nobis et apud vos fieri potest), quid sit videre Verbi, quid demonstrari Verbo. Omnia quippe dicta sunt hie, quæ si intelli - gantur secundum humanum sensum carnaliter, nihil aliud nobis facit anima plena phantasmatis, nisi quasdam imagines velut duorum hominum Patris et Filii, unius ostendentis; alterius videntis; unius lo­ quentis, alterius audientis: quæ omnia idola cordis sunt; quæ si jam dejecta sunt de templis suis, quanto magis dejicienda sunt de pectoribus christianis?

In the previous sermon, as far as our feeling was moved and our poverty of understanding allowed, we spoke, taking occasion from the words of the Gospel where it is written, “The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he sees the Father doing,” about what it is for the Son to see, that is, for the Word to see, since the Son is the Word; and, since all things were made through the Word, how it can be understood that the Son first sees the Father doing, and only then does himself the things he has seen done, when the Father has done nothing except through the Son. For “all things were made through him, and without him nothing was made.” Yet we did not say anything fully unfolded; but that is because we did not understand anything fully unfolded either. For sometimes speech fails even where understanding advances; how much more does speech suffer failure when understanding has not reached perfection? Now, therefore, as far as the Lord grants, let us run through the reading briefly, and at least today complete the assigned task. If any time or strength happens to remain, we will go back, if we can (as far as can be done both by us and with you), to what it is for the Word to see, and for something to be shown to the Word. For all the things said here, if they are understood carnally, according to human sense, lead the soul full of phantasms to produce for us nothing but certain images as of two men, Father and Son, one showing, the other seeing; one speaking, the other hearing: all of which are idols of the heart. And if these have already been cast down from their temples, how much more must they be cast down from Christian breasts?

John 5:19 (quotation, high confidence) · John 1:3 (quotation, high confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: Augustine recalls the unfinished question of how the Son “sees” the Father working and warns against picturing Father and Son as two men.

  • John 5:19 and John 1:3 are quoted; the “previous sermon” is Tractate 18.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR slip; words run together in the digital text): Sermonepristino → Sermone pristino; Pal rem → Patrem; rcmanscrit → remanserit; imngincs → imagines; quoe si jam → quæ si jam.

Topics: Trinity

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Tract. Ev. Jo. 19.1 (PL 35:1543; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-tractatus-ioannem/18-1/#p-19-1). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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19.2PL 35:1543

Non potest, inquit, Filius a se facere quidquam nisi quod viderit Patrem facientem. Verum est hoc, tenete hoc: dum tamen non amittatis quod in ipsius Evangelii exordio tenuistis, quia in principio erat Verbum, et Verbum erat apud Deum, et Deus erat Verbum; et præcipue quia omnia per ipsum facta sunt. Quod nunc enim audistis, conjungite illi auditui, et utrumque concordet in cordibus vestris. Sic itaque non potest Filius a se facere quid­ quam, nisi quod viderit Patrem facientem, ut tamen Pater ea quæ facit non faciat nisi per Filium, quia Filius est ejus Verbum: et « in principio crat Ver­ bum, et Verbum crat apud Deum, et Deus erat Ver­ bum, > et « omnia per ipsum facta sunt. Quæcumque enim ille fecerit, hæc et Filius similiter facit: > non alia, sed hæc; nec dissimiliter, sed similiter.

“The Son,” he says, “can do nothing of himself, but what he sees the Father doing.” This is true; hold it fast; provided only that you do not let go of what you held at the very opening of this Gospel, that “in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God,” and especially that “all things were made through him.” Join what you have just heard to that earlier hearing, and let the two agree in your hearts. So, then, the Son can do nothing of himself but what he sees the Father doing, in such a way that the Father nevertheless does not do what he does except through the Son, because the Son is his Word; and “in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God,” and “all things were made through him.” “For whatever he does, these the Son also does likewise”: not other things, but these; and not unlike, but likewise.

John 5:19 (quotation, high confidence) · John 1:1 (quotation, high confidence) · John 1:3 (quotation, high confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: The Son's doing only what he sees the Father do must be held together with the truth that the Father makes all things through the Son.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR slip): iili auditui → illi auditui; nee dissimiliter → nec dissimiliter.

Topics: Trinity

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Tract. Ev. Jo. 19.2 (PL 35:1543; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-tractatus-ioannem/18-1/#p-19-2). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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