On the Trinity 2.16–3.2

Latin text: Migne, PL 42 (Latin text: Migne, Patrologia Latina, digitized by Open Greek and Latin (patrologia_latina-dev, University of Leipzig), CC BY-SA 4.0).English: Claude (claude-opus-5-5), public domain (CC0). Compare: Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers, series 1, vol. 3 (1887).

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Chapter 2

2.16PL 42:861–863

Est ctiam quo moveri pleriquc solent, quia scriptum est, Et locutus est Dominus ad Moysen facie ad faciem, sicut quis loquitur ad amicum suum: cum paulo post dicat idem Moyscs, Si ergo inveni gratiam ante te, os­ tende mihi temetipsum manifeste, ut videam te; ut sim inveniens gratiam ante te, et ut sciam quia populus tuus est gens hæc: et paulo post iterum dixit Moyses ad Do­ minum, Ostende mihi majestatem tuam. Quid est hoc, quod in omnibus quae supra fiebant, Deus videri per suam substantiam putabatur, unde a miseris creditus est, non per creaturam, sed per seipsum visibilis Filius Dei; et quod inlravcrat in nebulam Moyses, ad hoc intrasse videbatur, ut oculis quidem populi ostenderetur caligo nebulosa, HIe autem intus verba Dei tanquam ejus faciem contemplatus audiret et quomodo dictum est, Locutus esc Dominus ad Moysen facie ad faciem, sicut quis loquitur ad amicum suum: et ecce idem dicit, Si inverti gratiOri ante te, ottende mihi temetipsum mani­ feste? Noverat utique quod corporaliter videbat, et veram visionem Dei spiritualiter requirebat. Locutio quippe illa quæ fiebat in vocibus, sic modificabatur, tanquam esset amici loquentis ad amicum. Sed Deum Patrem quis corporeis oculis videt? Et quod in prin­ cipio erat Verbum, et Verbum erat apud Deum, et Deus erat Verbum, per quod facta sunt omnia (Joan. i, i, 3), quis corporeis oculis videt? Et Spiritum sa­ pientiæ quis corporeis oculis videt? Quid est autem, Ostende mihi temetipsum manifeste, ut videam te; nisi, ostende mihi substantiam tuam? Hoc autcm si non dixisset Moyses, utcumque ferendi essent stulti, qui putant per ea quae supra dicta vel gesta sunt, substan­ liam Dei oculis ejus fuisse conspicuam: cum vero hic apertissime demonstretur, nec desideranti hoc fuisse concessum; quis audeat dicere per similes formas, quae huic quoque visibiliter apparuerant, non creaturam Deo servientem, sed hoc ipsum quod Deus est cujusquam oculis apparuisse mor­ talium? Et id quidem quod postea Dominus dicit ad Moysen, non poteris videre faciem meam, et vivere: non enim videbit homo faciem meam et vivet. Et ait Dominus: Ecce locus penes me eat, et stabis super pe­ tram, statim ut transiet mea majestas, et ponam te in specula 1 petræ; et tegam manu mea super te, donec transeam, et auferam manum meam, et tunc videbis posteriora mea; nam facies mea non apparebit tibi.

There is also something by which many are usually troubled: that it is written, "And the Lord spoke to Moses face to face, as a man speaks to his friend," while a little later the same Moses says, "If, then, I have found favor before you, show me yourself plainly, that I may see you, that I may find favor before you, and that I may know that this nation is your people"; and a little later again Moses said to the Lord, "Show me your majesty." What is this? In all the things that were done above, God was thought to be seen through his substance, which is why the Son of God was believed by wretched men to be visible not through a creature but through himself; and Moses' going into the dark cloud seemed to have been for this purpose, that a cloudy darkness should be shown to the eyes of the people while he, within, heard the words of God as though contemplating his face; and so it is said, "The Lord spoke to Moses face to face, as a man speaks to his friend." And see, the same man says, "If I have found favor before you, show me yourself plainly." He certainly knew what he was seeing bodily, and he was seeking the true vision of God spiritually. For that speech which took place in voices was so tempered as if it were a friend speaking to a friend. But who sees God the Father with bodily eyes? And who sees with bodily eyes the Word that was in the beginning, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God, through whom all things were made? And who sees with bodily eyes the Spirit of wisdom? And what is "Show me yourself plainly, that I may see you," except "Show me your substance"? If Moses had not said this, the fools who think that through the things said or done above the substance of God was visible to his eyes might be borne with somehow; but since it is shown most plainly here that this was not granted even to him who desired it, who would dare to say that through similar forms, which had appeared visibly to him too, not a creature serving God but the very thing that God is appeared to the eyes of any mortal? And there is also what the Lord afterward says to Moses: "You cannot see my face and live; for man shall not see my face and live. And the Lord said: Behold, there is a place by me, and you shall stand upon the rock, as soon as my majesty passes by; and I will put you in a lookout of the rock, and I will cover you with my hand until I pass by; and I will take away my hand, and then you will see my back parts; for my face will not appear to you."

Exod 33:11 (quotation, high confidence) · Exod 33:13 (quotation, high confidence) · Exod 33:18 (quotation, high confidence) · Exod 33:20 (quotation, high confidence) · Exod 33:21 (quotation, high confidence) · Exod 33:22 (quotation, high confidence) · Exod 33:23 (quotation, high confidence) · John 1:1 (allusion, high confidence) · John 1:3 (allusion, high confidence)

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Summary: Augustine notes that although the Lord spoke with Moses 'face to face,' Moses still asked to see God himself, showing that what he saw bodily was not God's substance, which cannot be seen with bodily eyes.

  • Quotations: Exod 33:11, 13, 18, 20–23; John 1:1, 3.

Topics: Trinity

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Trin. 2.16 (PL 42:861–863; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-trinitate/2-16/#p-2-16). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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2.17PL 42:863–865

Non incongruen­ ter ex persona Domini nostri Jesu Christi præfigura­ tum solet intelligi, ut posteriora ejus accipiantur caro ejus, in qua de Virgine natus est, et mortuus, et re­ surrexit; sive propter poslerioritatem a mortalitatis posteriora dicta sint, sive quod eam prope in fine sæculi, hoc est, posterius suscipere dignatus est: facies autem ejus illa Dci forma, in qua non rapinam arbitratus est esse:,qualis Deo Patri, quam nemo utique potest videre et vivcre; sive quia post hanc vitam, in qua peregrinamur a Domino, et ubi corpus quod corrumpitur aggravat animam, videbimus facie ad faciem, sic­ ut dicit Apostolus de hac enim vita in Psalmis dicitur, Verumtamen universa vanitas omnia homo vivens [Psal. XXXVIII, 6]; et iterum, Quoniam I non justificabitur coram te omnis vivens [Psal. CXLII, 2]. ln qua vita etiam, secundum Joannem, nondum appa­ ruit quid erimus. Scimus autem, inquit, quia cum ap­ paruerit, similes ei erimus; quoniam videbimus eum sicuti eat [I Joan. III, 2 ]: quod ulique post hanc citam intelligi voluit, cum mortis debitum solverimus, et re­ surrectionis promissum receperimns); sive quod etiam nunc in quantum Dei Sapientiam per quam facta sunt omnia, spiritualiter intelligimus, in tantum carnalibus affectibus morimur, ut mortuum nobis hunc mun­ dum deputantes, nos quoque ipsi huic mundo mo­ riamur, et dicamus quod ait Apostolus, Mundus mihi crucifixus est, et ego mundo. De hac enim morte item dixit, Si autem mortui estis cum Christo, quid adhuc velut viventes de hoc mundo decernitis? Non ergo immerito nemo poterit faciem, id est, ipsam manifestationem Sa­ pientiæ Dei videre et vivere. Ipsa est enim species, cui contemplandæ suspirat omnis qui affectat Deum diligere ex toto corde, et ex lota anima, et ex tota mente: ad quam contemplandam ctiam proximum quantum potest ædificat, qui diligit et proximum sic­ ut se ipsum: in quibus duobus præceptis tota Lex pendet et Prophetae. Quod si­ gnificatur etiam in ipso Moyse. Nam cum dixisset, pcopter dilectionem Dei qua præcipue flagrabat, Si inveni gratiam in conspectu tuo, ostende mihi temet­ ipsum manifeste, ut aim inveniens gratiam ante te; continuo propter dilectionem etiam proximi subjecit atque ait, Et ut sciam quia populus tuus est gens hæc. Illa est ergo species quae rapit omnem animam ratio­ nalem dcsiderio sui, tanto ardentiorem quanto mun­ diorern, et tanto mundiorem quanto ad spiritualia resurgentem: tanto autem ad spiritualia resurgen­ tem, quanto a carnalibus morientem. Sed dum per­ egrinamur a Domino, et per fidem ambulamus, non per speciem, posteriora Christi, hoc est carnem, per ipsam fidem videre debemus, id est in solido fidei fundamento stantes, quod significat petra; et eam de tali tutissima specula intuentes, in catholica scilicet Ecclesia, de qua dictum est, Et super hanc petram ædificabo Ecclesiam meam. Tanto euim certius diligimus, quam videre desi­ deramus faciem Christi, quanto in posterioribus ejus agnoscimus quantum nos prior dilexerit Chri­ stus. Sed in ipsa carne fides resurrectionis ejus sal­ vos facit, atque justificat, Si etiim credideris, inquit, in corde tuo, quia Deus illum suscitavit a mortuis, salvus eris: et iterum, Qui traditus eat, inquit, propter delicta nostra, et resurrexit propter justifica­ tionem nostram. Ideoque meritum fidei nostrae resurrectio corporis Domini est. Nam mor­ tuam esse illam carnem in cruce passionis, etiam ini­ mici ejus credunt, sed resurrexisse non credunt. Quod firmissime nos credentes, tanquam de petræ soliditate contuemur: unde certa spe adoptionem exspectamus redemptionem corporis nostri ( Id. VIII, 23); quia hoc in membris Christi speramus, qu:c nos ipsi sumus, quod perfectum esse in ipso tanquam in capite nostro fidei sanitate cognoscimus. Inde non vult, nisi cum transierit, videri posteriora sua, ut in cjus resurrectionem credatur. Pascha enim hebraeum verbum dicitur, quod Transitus interpretatur. Unde et Joannes evangelista dicit: Ante diem festum Paschæ, sciens Jesus quia venit hora ejus, ut transeat de hoc mundo ad Patrem. Hoc autem qui credunt, nee tamen in Catho­ lica I, sed in schismate aliquo aut in hæresi credunt, non de loco qui est penes eum vident posteriora Do­ mini. Quid enirn sibi vult quod ait Dominus, Ecce locus est penes me, et stabis tuper petram? Quis locus terrenus est penes Dominum, nisi hoc est penes eum quod eum spiritualiter attingit? Nam quis locus non est pelle.; Dominum, qui attingit a fine usque ad fi­ nem fortiter, et disponit omnia suaviter; et cujus dictum est cœlum sedes, et terra scabellum pedum ejus; et qui dixit, Quam domum ædificabitis mihi? aut quis locus quietis meæ? Nonne manus mea fe­ cit haec omnia? Sed videlicet intelli­ gitur locus penes enin in quo statur super petram, ipsa Ecclesia catholica, ubi salubriter videt Pascha Domini, id est transitum Domini, et posteriora ejus, iri est, corpus ejus, qui credit in resurrectionem ejus. Et stabis, inquit, super petram, statim ut transiet mea majestas. Revera enim statim ut transiit majestas Domini in clarificatione Domini qua resurgens ascen­ dit ad Patrem, solidati sumus super petram. Et ipse Petrus tunc solidatus est, ut cum fiducia praedicaret, quem, priusquam esset solidatus, ter timore negave­ rat, jam quidem prædestina­ tione positus in specula petrae, sed adhuc manu Do­ mini sihi superposita ne videret. Posteriora enim ejus visurus erat, et nondum ille transierat, utique a morte ad vitam, nondum resurrectione clarificatus erat. Nam et quod sequitur in Exodo, et dicit, Te­ gam manu mea super te, donec transeam; et auferam manum meam, et tunc videbis posteriora mea: multi Israelitæ quorum tunc figura erat Moyses, post resur­ rectionem Domini crediderunt in eum, tanquam jam videntes posteriora ejus, remota manu ejus ab oculis suis. Unde et Isaiæ talem prophetiam evangelista commemorat: Incrassa cor populi hujus, et aures eorum oppila, et oculos eorum grava. Denique in Psalmo non absurde intelligitur ex eorum persona dici, Quoniam die ac nocte gravata eat super me manus tua. Die fortasse, cum manifesta miracula faccret, nec ab eis agnosceretur; nocte autem, cum in passione mcreretur, quando certius putave­ runt, sicut quemlibet hominem, peremptum et exs­ tincluln. Sed quoniam cum transisset ut ejus poste­ riora viderentur, predicante sibi apostolo Petro, quia oportebat Christuni pati et resurgere, compuncti sunt dolore pænitentiæ, ut fieret in baptizatis quod in capite ejus psalmi dicitur, Beati quorum remissæ sunt iniquitates, et quorum tecta sunt peccata: propterea cum dictum esset, Gravata est super me manus tua, tanquam Domino transeunte, lit jam removeret manum, et viderentur posteriora rjus, sequitur vox dolentis et confitentis, et ex fide resurrectionis Domini peccatorum remissionem acci­ pientis: Conversus sum, inquit, in cerumna mea, cum infigeretur mihi spina. Peccatum meum cognovi, et in­ justitiam meam noM operui. Dixi, Pronuntiabo adversum me injustitiam meam Domino, et tu remisisti impietatem cordis mei. Neque enim tanto carnis nubilo debemus involvi, ut putemus faciem quidem Domini esse invisibilem, dorsum vero visibile: quan­ doquidem in forma servi utrumque visibiliter appa­ ruit; in forma autem Dei absit ut tale aliquid cogi­ telnr: ahsil ut Verbum Dei et Sapientia Dei ex una parte habeat faciem, et ex alia dorsum, sicut corpus. humanum, aut omnino ulla specie vel motione sive loco sive tempore commutctur. Quapropter, si in illis vocibus quae fiebant in Exodo, ct illis omnibus corporalibus demonstrationi­ bus Dominus Jesus Christus ostendebatur; aut alias Christus, sicut loci hujus consideratio persuadet; alias Spiritus sanctus, sicut ea quæ supra diximus ad­ monent: non hoc efficitur, ut Deus Pater nunquam tali aliqua specie Patribus visus sit. Multa enim talia visa facta sunt illis temporibus, non evidenter no­ minato et designato in eis vel Patre, vel Filio, vel Spiritu sancto; sed tamen per quasdam valde proba­ biles significationes nonnullis indiciis existentibus, ut nimis temerarium sit dicere, Deum Patrem nun­ quam Patribus aut Prophetis per aliquas visihilcs formas apparuisse. Hanc enim opinionem illi pepe­ rerunt, qui non potuerunt in unitate Trinitatis intel­ ligere quod dictum est, Regi autem sæculorum immor­ tali, invisibili soli Deo; et, Quem nemo hominum vidit, nec videre potest. Quod de ipsa substantia summa summeque divina et incom­ mutabili, ubi et Pater ct Filius et Spiritus sanctus unus et solus Deus est, per sanam fidem intelligitur. Visiones autem illæ per creaturam commutabilem Deo incommutabili subditam factæ sunt, non proprio sicuti est, sed significative sicut pro rerum causis ei temporibus oportuit, ostendentes Deum.

This is usually understood, not unfittingly, as a prefiguring in the person of our Lord Jesus Christ, so that his back parts are taken to be his flesh, in which he was born of the Virgin, and died, and rose again; whether they are called back parts on account of the posteriority of mortality, or because he deigned to take it near the end of the age, that is, later; while his face is that form of God in which he did not think it robbery to be equal to God the Father, which certainly no one can see and live: whether because after this life, in which we are away from the Lord and where the body that is corrupted weighs down the soul, we shall see face to face, as the Apostle says (for of this life it is said in the Psalms, "Surely every living man is altogether vanity," and again, "For no living man shall be justified before you"; in which life also, according to John, "it has not yet appeared what we shall be. But we know," he says, "that when he appears we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is"; which he certainly wished to be understood of after this life, when we have paid the debt of death and received the promise of the resurrection); or because even now, insofar as we understand spiritually the Wisdom of God through which all things were made, so far do we die to carnal affections, so that, counting this world dead to us, we too die to this world and say what the Apostle says, "The world has been crucified to me, and I to the world." For of this death he also said, "If you have died with Christ, why do you still decide, as though living, about this world?" Not without reason, then, will no one be able to see the face, that is, the very manifestation of the Wisdom of God, and live. For this is the beauty for whose contemplation everyone sighs who aspires to love God with all his heart, and with all his soul, and with all his mind; and to whose contemplation he who loves his neighbor as himself also builds up his neighbor as far as he can; on which two commandments the whole Law and the Prophets depend. This is signified also in Moses himself. For when, out of the love of God with which he chiefly burned, he had said, "If I have found favor in your sight, show me yourself plainly, that I may find favor before you," he at once added, out of the love of neighbor too, "and that I may know that this nation is your people." That, then, is the beauty which ravishes every rational soul with desire for it, the more ardent the purer it is, and the purer the more it rises to spiritual things, and the more it rises to spiritual things the more it dies to carnal ones. But while we are away from the Lord and walk by faith, not by sight, we ought to see the back parts of Christ, that is, his flesh, by that very faith; that is, standing on the solid foundation of faith, which the rock signifies, and looking at it from such a most safe lookout, namely in the catholic Church, of which it is said, "And upon this rock I will build my Church." For the more surely we love the face of Christ that we desire to see, the more we recognize in his back parts how much Christ first loved us. But in that flesh it is faith in his resurrection that saves and justifies: "For if you believe in your heart," he says, "that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved"; and again, "Who was handed over," he says, "for our offenses, and rose again for our justification." And so the reward of our faith is the resurrection of the Lord's body. For even his enemies believe that that flesh died on the cross of the passion, but they do not believe that it rose again. Believing this most firmly, we look upon it as from the solidity of the rock; from which with sure hope we await the adoption, the redemption of our body, because we hope for this in the members of Christ, which we ourselves are, which by soundness of faith we know to be perfected in him as in our head. Hence he does not want his back parts to be seen except when he has passed by, so that his resurrection may be believed. For Pascha is said to be a Hebrew word, which is translated "passing over." Hence John the evangelist too says, "Before the feast of the Pascha, Jesus, knowing that his hour had come that he should pass from this world to the Father." But those who believe this, yet believe it not in the Catholic Church but in some schism or heresy, do not see the Lord's back parts from the place that is by him. For what does the Lord mean when he says, "Behold, there is a place by me, and you shall stand upon the rock"? What earthly place is by the Lord, unless that is by him which reaches him spiritually? For what place is not by the Lord, who reaches mightily from end to end and orders all things sweetly, and of whom it is said, "Heaven is his throne, and the earth the footstool of his feet," and who said, "What house will you build for me? Or what is the place of my rest? Has not my hand made all these things?" But clearly the place by him, in which one stands upon the rock, is understood to be the catholic Church itself, where he who believes in his resurrection sees savingly the Pascha of the Lord, that is, the passing over of the Lord, and his back parts, that is, his body. "And you shall stand," he says, "upon the rock, as soon as my majesty passes by." For in truth, as soon as the majesty of the Lord passed by in the glorification of the Lord, by which, rising again, he ascended to the Father, we were made firm upon the rock. And Peter himself was then made firm, so that he preached with confidence him whom, before he was made firm, he had denied three times out of fear; already indeed placed by predestination in the lookout of the rock, but still with the Lord's hand laid over him so that he should not see. For he was going to see his back parts, and he had not yet passed by, that is, from death to life; he had not yet been glorified by the resurrection. For as to what follows in Exodus, where it says, "I will cover you with my hand until I pass by, and I will take away my hand, and then you will see my back parts": many Israelites, of whom Moses was then a figure, believed in him after the Lord's resurrection, as if now seeing his back parts, his hand having been removed from their eyes. Hence the evangelist also recalls this prophecy of Isaiah: "Make the heart of this people fat, and stop their ears, and make their eyes heavy." Finally, in the Psalm it is not absurdly understood to be said in their person, "For day and night your hand was heavy upon me." By day perhaps, when he was doing manifest miracles and was not recognized by them; but by night, when he was dying in his passion, when they thought more surely that he had been destroyed and extinguished like any man. But since, when he had passed by so that his back parts might be seen, they were pierced with the sorrow of repentance as the apostle Peter preached to them that the Christ had to suffer and rise again, so that there came to pass in the baptized what is said at the head of that Psalm, "Blessed are those whose iniquities are forgiven and whose sins are covered"; therefore, after it had been said, "Your hand was heavy upon me," as if the Lord were passing by, so as now to remove his hand and his back parts to be seen, there follows the voice of one grieving and confessing and receiving the forgiveness of sins from faith in the Lord's resurrection: "I was turned," he says, "in my distress, while the thorn was fixed in me. I acknowledged my sin, and my unrighteousness I did not cover. I said, I will declare my unrighteousness against myself to the Lord; and you forgave the ungodliness of my heart." For we ought not to be wrapped in such a cloud of the flesh as to think that the face of the Lord is invisible but his back visible, since in the form of a servant both appeared visibly; but in the form of God far be it that any such thing be thought; far be it that the Word of God and the Wisdom of God should have a face on one side and a back on the other, like a human body, or be changed at all in any appearance or motion, whether in place or in time. Therefore, if in those voices that were made in Exodus, and in all those bodily manifestations, the Lord Jesus Christ was shown, or sometimes Christ, as consideration of this passage persuades, and sometimes the Holy Spirit, as what we said above suggests, it does not follow from this that God the Father never appeared to the fathers in any such form. For many such appearances took place in those times without the Father, or the Son, or the Holy Spirit being evidently named and designated in them, yet with certain indications present through some very probable significations, so that it would be too rash to say that God the Father never appeared to the fathers or the prophets through any visible forms. For that opinion was produced by those who could not understand in the unity of the Trinity what is said, "Now to the King of the ages, immortal, invisible, the only God," and "whom no man has seen or can see"; which by sound faith is understood of that highest and supremely divine and unchangeable substance itself, where the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit are one and only God. But those visions were made through a changeable creature subject to the unchangeable God, showing God not as he properly is, but by way of signification, as the causes and times of things required.

Phil 2:6 (allusion, high confidence) · 2 Cor 5:6 (allusion, high confidence) · 1 Cor 13:12 (allusion, high confidence) · Ps 39:5 (38:6 Vulg.) (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 143:2 (142:2 Vulg.) (quotation, high confidence) · 1 John 3:2 (quotation, high confidence) · Gal 6:14 (quotation, high confidence) · Col 2:20 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 22:37 (allusion, high confidence) · Matt 22:39 (allusion, high confidence) · Matt 22:40 (allusion, high confidence) · Exod 33:13 (quotation, high confidence) · 2 Cor 5:7 (allusion, high confidence) · Matt 16:18 (quotation, high confidence) · Rom 10:9 (quotation, high confidence) · Rom 4:25 (quotation, high confidence) · Rom 8:23 (allusion, high confidence) · John 13:1 (quotation, high confidence) · Exod 33:21 (quotation, high confidence) · Exod 33:22 (quotation, high confidence) · Exod 33:23 (quotation, high confidence) · Isa 66:1 (quotation, high confidence) · Isa 66:2 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 26:69 (allusion, medium confidence) · Isa 6:10 (quotation, high confidence) · John 12:40 (allusion, medium confidence) · Ps 32:4 (31:4 Vulg.) (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 32:1 (31:1 Vulg.) (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 32:5 (31:5 Vulg.) (quotation, high confidence) · Acts 2:37 (allusion, high confidence) · 1 Tim 1:17 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Tim 6:16 (quotation, high confidence)

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Summary: Augustine interprets God's 'back parts' shown to Moses as Christ's flesh, seen by faith in his resurrection from the 'rock' of the catholic Church, and his 'face' as the form of God that no one can see in this life; he concludes that the Father too may have appeared through creatures, since the visions signified God without showing his substance.

  • Quotations and allusions: Phil 2:6; 2 Cor 5:6; Wis 9:15; 1 Cor 13:12; Ps 39:5 (Ps 38:6 Vulgate); Ps 143:2 (Ps 142:2 Vulgate); 1 John 3:2; Gal 6:14; Col 2:20; Matt 22:37–40; Exod 33:13; 2 Cor 5:7; Matt 16:18; Rom 10:9; Rom 4:25; Rom 8:23; John 13:1; Exod 33:21–23; Wis 8:1; Isa 66:1–2; Matt 26:69–75; Isa 6:10 (cf. John 12:40); Ps 32:4, 1, 4–5 (Ps 31 Vulgate); Acts 2:37–38; 1 Tim 1:17; 1 Tim 6:16.
  • 'Pascha' is explained by Augustine as a Hebrew word meaning 'passing over'.
  • The sentences on schism and heresy (those who believe in the resurrection outside the catholic Church do not see the Lord's back parts 'from the place that is by him') are translated as written.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (leaked paragraph number (31) of the print, misread by OCR): clarificatus erat. 3t. Nam → clarificatus erat. Nam.

Extrabiblical texts: Wis 9:15 (Wisdom of Solomon [in RC, EO, ETH canons]; allusion); Wis 8:1 (Wisdom of Solomon [in RC, EO, ETH canons]; quotation)

Topics: Christology, Trinity

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Trin. 2.17 (PL 42:863–865; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-trinitate/2-16/#p-2-17). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude (Opus) from the Latin of Migne's Patrologia Latina (digital text of the Open Greek and Latin project); each batch compared afterwards with the public-domain translation in NPNF¹ 3 (1887).

2.18PL 42:865–867

Quanquam nescio quemadmodum isti inlelligant quod Qanieli apparuerit Antiquus dierum, a quo Filius hominis, quod propter nos esse dignatus est, accepisse intelli­ gitur regnum, ab illo scilicet qui ei dicit in Psalmis, Filius meus ea tu, ego hodie genui te: postula a me, et dabo tibi gentes hæreditatem tuam; et qui omnia subjecit sub pedibus ejus. Si ergo Danieli et Pater dans regnum, et Filius acci­ piens, apparuerunt in specie corporali; quomodo isti dicunt, Patrem nunquam visum esse Prophetis, ct ideo solum debere intelligi invisibilem quem nemo hominum vidit, nec videre potest? Ila enim narravit Daniel: Aspiciebam, inquit, donec throni positi sunt, et Vetustus dierum sedebat: et indumentum ejus quasi nix album, et capillu capitis ejus quasi lana munda; thronus ejus flamma ignis, rotas ejus ignis flagrans, et flumen ignis trahebat in conspectu ejus. Et mille mil­ lia deserviebant et, et dena millia denum millium as­ sistebant ei. Et judicium collocavit, et libri aperti sunt, etc. Et paulo post: Aspicicbam, inquit, in vi­ sione noctis: et ecce cum cæli nubibus, quasi Filius hominis veniens erat, et usque ad Veterem dierum per­ venit, et oblatus eat ei. Et ipsi datus eat principatus et honor et regnum; et omnes populi, tribus, et lingua ipsi servient. Potestas ejus, potestas æterna, quæ non præteribit, et regnum ejus non corrumpetur' (Dan. vn, 9-14). Ecce Pater dans, et Filius accipiens regnum sempiternum, et sunt ambo in conspectu prophe­ tantis visibili specie. Non ergo inconvenienter cre­ ditur etiam Pater Deus eo modo solere apparere mortalibus. Nisi forte aliquis dicel1, idco non esse visibi­ lem Patrem, quia in conspectu somniantis apparuit; idco autem Filium visibilem et Spiritum sanctum, quia Moyses illa omnia vigilans vidit. Quasi vero Verbum et Sapienliain Dci viderit Moyses carnalibus oculis, aut videri spiritus vel humanus possit qui carnem istam vivificat, vel ipse corporeus qui ventus dicilur; quanto minus ille Spiritus Dei qui omnium hominum et Angelorum mentes ineffabili excellentia divinae substantiæ supergreditur? aut quisquam tali præcipitetur errore, ut audeat dicere Filium et Spi­ ritum sanctum etiam vigilantibus hominibus esse vi­ sibilem, Patrem autem nonnisi somniantibus? Quo­ modo ergo de Patre solo accipiunt, Quem nemo ho­ minum vidit, nec videre potest? An cum dormiunt homines, tunc non sunt homincs? Aut qui formare similitudinem corporis potest ad sc significandum per visa somniantium, nou potest formare ipsam corpo­ ream creaturam ad se significandum oculis vigilan­ lium? cum ejus ipsa substantia qua est ipse quod est, nulla corporis similitudine dormienti, nulla cor­ porea specie vigilanti possit ostendi: sed non solum' Patris, verum etiam Filii et Spiritus sancti. Et certe qui vigilantium visis moventur, ut non fla­ trem, sed tantum Filium vel Spiritum sanctum cre­ dant corporalibus hominum apparuisse conspectibus; ut omittam tantam latitudinem sanctarum pagina­ rum, et tam multiplicem earum intelligentiam, unde nemo sani capitis affirmare debet, nusquam perso­ nam Patris per aliquam specicm corporalem vigi­ lantium oculis demonstratam: sed ut hoc, ut dixi, omittam; quid dicunt de Patrc nostro Abraham, cui certe vigilanti et ministranti, cum Scriptura præmi­ sisset dicens, Visus est Dominus Abrahæ, non unus aut duo, sed tres apparuerunt viri, quorum nullus excelsius aliis eminuisse dictus eit, nullus hono­ ratius effulsisse, nullus imperiosius egisse i Quapropter, quoniam in illa tripartita nostra distributione primum quærere instituimus ( Supra, cap. 7), utrum Pater, an Filius, an Spiritus sanctus; an aliquando Pater, aliquando Filius, aliquando Spi­ ritus sanctus; an sine ulla distinctione personarum, sicut dicitur, Deus unus et solus; id cst Trinitas ipsa, per illas creaturæ formas Patribus apparuerit: inter­ rogatis quæ potuimus1, quantum sufficere visum est, sanctarum Scripturarum locis, nihil aliud, quantum existimo, divinorum sacramentorum modesta et cauta consideratio persuadet, nisi ut temere non dicamus quaenam ex Trinitate persona cuilibet Patrum vel Pro. phetarum in aliquo corpore vel similitudine corporis apparuerit, nisi cum continentia lectionis aliqua pro­ habilia circumponit indicia. Ipsa enim natura, vel substantia, vel essentia, vel quolibet alio nomine ap­ pellandum est idipsum quod Deus est, quidquid illud est, corporaliter videri non potest: per subjectam vero creaturam, non solum Filium, vel Spiritum san­ ctum, sed etiam Patrem corporali specie sive simili­ tudine mortalibus sensibus significationem sui dare potuisse credendum est. Quæ cum ita sint, ne immo­ deratius progrediatur secundi hujus voluminis longi­ tudo, ea quae restant, in consequentibus videamus.

And yet I do not know how these people understand that the Ancient of Days appeared to Daniel, from whom the Son of Man, which he deigned to be for our sake, is understood to have received the kingdom; from him, namely, who says to him in the Psalms, "You are my Son, today I have begotten you; ask of me, and I will give you the nations as your inheritance," and who has put all things under his feet. If, then, both the Father giving the kingdom and the Son receiving it appeared to Daniel in bodily form, how do these people say that the Father was never seen by the prophets, and that therefore he alone ought to be understood as invisible, whom no man has seen or can see? For Daniel narrated thus: "I beheld," he says, "until thrones were set, and the Ancient of Days sat; and his clothing was white as snow, and the hair of his head like pure wool; his throne was a flame of fire, his wheels burning fire, and a river of fire flowed before him. And a thousand thousands served him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him. And he set the judgment, and the books were opened," and so on. And a little later: "I beheld," he says, "in the vision of the night, and behold, with the clouds of heaven there was one coming like a son of man, and he came even to the Ancient of Days and was brought before him. And to him was given dominion and honor and the kingdom; and all peoples, tribes, and tongues shall serve him. His power is an everlasting power, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom shall not be corrupted." See, the Father giving and the Son receiving an everlasting kingdom, and both are in the sight of the prophet in visible form. It is not unfitting, then, to believe that God the Father too was accustomed to appear to mortals in this way. Unless perhaps someone will say that the Father is not visible because he appeared in the sight of one dreaming, but that the Son and the Holy Spirit are visible because Moses saw all those things awake. As though Moses had seen the Word and Wisdom of God with carnal eyes, or as though even the human spirit that gives life to this flesh could be seen, or even that bodily spirit which is called wind; how much less that Spirit of God which surpasses the minds of all men and angels by the ineffable excellence of the divine substance! Or would anyone be hurled into such an error as to dare to say that the Son and the Holy Spirit are visible even to men awake, but the Father only to men dreaming? How, then, do they take "whom no man has seen or can see" of the Father alone? Or when men sleep, are they not then men? Or can he who can form a likeness of a body to signify himself through the visions of dreamers not form the bodily creature itself to signify himself to the eyes of those awake, when his very substance, by which he is what he is, cannot be shown by any likeness of body to one asleep, nor by any bodily appearance to one awake? And this holds not only of the Father but also of the Son and the Holy Spirit. And certainly those who are moved by the visions of men awake to believe that not the Father but only the Son or the Holy Spirit appeared to the bodily sight of men (to pass over the great breadth of the holy pages and the so manifold understanding of them, from which no one of sound mind ought to affirm that the person of the Father was nowhere shown to the eyes of men awake through some bodily appearance; but to pass over this, as I said), what do they say of our father Abraham, to whom, certainly awake and serving, after Scripture had said by way of preface, "The Lord appeared to Abraham," not one or two but three men appeared, none of whom is said to have stood out above the others more loftily, none to have shone with more honor, none to have acted with more authority? Therefore, since in that threefold division of ours we set out first to ask whether it was the Father, or the Son, or the Holy Spirit; or sometimes the Father, sometimes the Son, sometimes the Holy Spirit; or without any distinction of persons, as God is called one and only, that is, the Trinity itself, that appeared to the fathers through those forms of the creature: having examined such passages of the holy Scriptures as we could, as far as seemed sufficient, nothing else, I think, is urged by a modest and cautious consideration of the divine mysteries than that we should not rashly say which person of the Trinity appeared to any of the fathers or prophets in some body or likeness of a body, except when the context of the reading supplies some probable indications. For the very nature, or substance, or essence, or by whatever other name that which God is is to be called, whatever it is, cannot be seen bodily; but it must be believed that through a subject creature not only the Son or the Holy Spirit but also the Father could give a signification of himself to mortal senses in bodily form or likeness. Since this is so, lest the length of this second volume should run on too immoderately, let us look at what remains in the books that follow.

Ps 2:7 (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 2:8 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Cor 15:27 (allusion, high confidence) · Ps 8:6 (allusion, medium confidence) · 1 Tim 6:16 (quotation, high confidence) · Dan 7:9 (quotation, high confidence) · Dan 7:10 (quotation, high confidence) · Dan 7:13 (quotation, high confidence) · Dan 7:14 (quotation, high confidence) · Gen 18:1 (quotation, high confidence) · Gen 18:2 (allusion, high confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: Augustine points to Daniel's vision of the Ancient of Days and the Son of Man as evidence that the Father too appeared in bodily form, and concludes that one should not rashly say which person appeared in a theophany unless the context gives probable indications, since God's essence itself cannot be seen.

  • Quotations: Ps 2:7–8; 1 Cor 15:27 (Ps 8:6); 1 Tim 6:16; Dan 7:9–14; Gen 18:1–2. The cross-reference to chapter 7 is the edition's.

Topics: Trinity

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Trin. 2.18 (PL 42:865–867; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-trinitate/2-16/#p-2-18). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Chapter 3

3.0PL 42:867–869

Credant, qui volunt, malle me legendo quam legenda dictando laborare. Qui autem boc nolunt cre. dere, experiri autem et possunt et volunt, dent quæ I legendo vel meis inquisitionibus respondeantur vel in­ terrogationibus aliorum, quas pro mea persona quam in servilio Christi gero, et pro studio quo fidem no­ stram adversum errorem carnalium et animalium hominum muniri I inardesco, necesse est me pati: et videant quam facile ab isto labore me temperem, et - quanto eliam gaudio stilum possim habere feriatum. Quod si ea quæ legimus de his rebus, sufficicnler edita in latino sermone aut non sunt, aut non inveniuntur, aut certe difficile a nobis inveniri queunt, græcæ au­ tem linguae non sit nobis tantus habitus, ut talium rerum libris legendis et intelligendis ullo modo repe­ riamur idonei, quo genere litterarum ex iis quæ nobis pauca interpretata sunt, non dubito cuncta quæ uti­ liter qærere possumus contineri; fratribns antem non valeam resistere, jure quo cis servus factus sum flagitantibus, ut eorum in Christo laudabilibus studiis lingua ac stilo meo, quas bigas in mc charitas agitat, maxime serviam, egoque ipse multa quæ nesciebam, scribendo me didicisse confileaf: nnn debet hic la­ bor mens cuiquam pigro, aut multum docto videri superfluus, cnm multis impigris multisque indoctis, inter quos ctiam mihi, non parva ex parte sit neces­ sarius. Ex his igitur quæ ab aliis de bac rc scripta jam lcgimus, plurimum adminiculati ct adjuti, ea quæ de Trinitate, uno summo summeque bono Deo, pio quæri et disseri posse arbitror, ipso exhortante qn:crenda atque adjuvante disserenda suscepi: ut si alia non sunt hujusmodi scripta, sit quod habeant ct le­ gant qui voluerint et valucrint; si autem jam sunt, tanto facilius aliqua invoniantur, quanto talia plura esse potuerint. Sane cuin in omnihus litteris meis non solum pium lectorem, sed etiam liberum correctorem dcsi­ derem, multo maxime in his, ubi ipsa magnitudo quæ­ stionis utinam tam multos inventores babere posset, quam multos contradictores habet. Verumtamen sicut lectorem meum nolo mibi esse deditum 1, ita corre­ ctorem nolo sibi. Ille me non amet amplius quam ca­ tholicam fidem, iste se non amet amplius quam ca­ tholicam veritatem. Sicut illi dico, Noli meis litteris quasi Scripturis canonicis inservire; sed in illis et quod non credebas, cum inveneris, incunctanter cre­ de, in istis autem qnod certum non habebas, nisi cer­ tum intellexeris, noli firmiter retinere: ita illi dico, Noli meas litteras ex tua opinione vel contentione, sed ex divina lectione vel inconcussA ratione corri­ gere. Si quid in eis veri comprehenderis, existendo non est meum, at intelligendo et amando et tuum sit et meum: si quid autem falsi conviceris, errando fucrit meum, sed jam cavendo nec tuum sit nec meum. Hinc itaque tertius hic liber sumat exordium, quousque secundus pervenerat. Cum enim ad id ven­ tum esset, ut vellemus ostendere non ideo minorem Patre Filium, quia ille misit, hic missus est, nec ideo minorem utroque Spiritum sanctum, quia et ab illo et ab illo missus in Evangelio legitur: suscepimus hoc quærere, cum illuc missus sit Filius, ubi erat, quia in hunc mundum venit, et in hoc mundo eral; cum illuc etiam Spiritus sanctus, ubi et ipse erat, quoniam Spiritus Domini replevit orbem terrarum, et hoc quod continet omnia scientiam habet vocis: utrum propterea missus sit Dominus, quia ex occulto in carne natus est, ct de sinu Patris ad oculos hominum in forma servi tanquam egressus apparuit; ideo ctiam Spiritus sanctus, quia et ipse corporali specie quasi columba visus est, et linguis divisis velut ignis: ut boc cis fue­ rit mitti, ad aspectum mortalium in aliqua forma cor­ porea de spirituali secreto procedcre; quod Pater quoniam non fecit, tantummodo misisse, non eliam missus esse dictus sit. Deinde quæsilum est cur et Pa­ ter non aliquando dictus sit missus, si j er illas species corporales quæ oculis antiquorum apparuerunt ipso demonstrabatur. Si autem Filius tunc demonstraba­ tur, cur tanto post missus diceretur t cum plenitudo temporis venit, ut cx femina nasceretur; quandoquidem et antea mittebatur, cum in illis for­ mis corporaliter apparebat. Aut si non recte missus diceretur, nisi cnm Verbum caro factum est; cur Spiritus sanctus missus legatur, cujus incar­ natio talis non facta est. Si vero per illas antiquas demonstrationes, nec Pater, nee Filius, sed Spiritus sanctus ostendebatur; cur etiam ipse nunc diceretur missus, cum illis modis et antea mitteretur. Dciudo subdivisimus, ut hæc diligentissime tractarentur, et tripartitam fecimus quæstionem, cujus una pars in se­ cundo libro explicata est, duæ sunt reliquæ, de quibus deinceps disserere aggrediar. Jam enim quæsitum at­ que tractatum est, in illis antiquis corporalibus for­ mis et visis, non tantummodo Patrem, nec tantum­ modo Filium, nee tantummodo Spiritum sanctum apparuisse, sed aut indifferenter Dominum Deum qui Trinitas ipsa intelligitur, aut quamlibet ex Trinitate personam, quam lectionis textus iudiciis circumstan­ tibus significaret.

Let those who wish believe that I would rather labor at reading than at dictating things to be read. But let those who do not wish to believe this, and are able and willing to make the trial, give me what may be read in answer either to my own inquiries or to the questions of others, which, on account of the role I bear in the service of Christ and the zeal with which I burn that our faith be defended against the error of carnal and soulish men, I must needs endure; and let them see how readily I would refrain from this labor, and with how much joy I could let my pen rest. But if what we have read on these matters either has not been sufficiently set forth in the Latin language, or is not to be found, or at least can be found by us only with difficulty, and we have not so much familiarity with the Greek language as to be found in any way fit to read and understand books on such matters in it (though from the few things of that kind of literature that have been translated for us, I do not doubt that it contains everything that we can usefully seek); and if I am not able to resist the brothers who demand, by the right by which I have been made their servant, that I serve their praiseworthy studies in Christ above all with my tongue and pen, the two horses of the chariot that love drives in me, and I myself confess that by writing I have learned many things I did not know: then this labor of mine ought not to seem superfluous to anyone idle or to anyone very learned, since it is necessary, in no small part, to many who are diligent and to many who are unlearned, among whom I count myself. Greatly supported and helped, then, by what we have already read that others have written on this subject, I have undertaken those things concerning the Trinity, the one supreme and supremely good God, which I think can be piously inquired into and discussed, with him exhorting me to inquire and helping me to discuss; so that, if there are no other writings of this kind, there may be something for those who wish and are able to have and read; and if there are already, then some may be found the more easily, the more such writings there can be. Indeed, while in all my writings I desire not only a devout reader but also a free corrector, I desire this most of all in these, where the very greatness of the question would that it could have as many discoverers as it has opponents! Yet just as I do not want my reader to be devoted to me, so I do not want my corrector to be devoted to himself. Let the one not love me more than the catholic faith; let the other not love himself more than the catholic truth. As I say to the one, "Do not defer to my writings as if they were the canonical Scriptures; but in those, when you have found what you did not believe, believe it without hesitation, while in these, what you did not hold as certain, do not hold firmly unless you have understood it to be certain"; so I say to the other, "Do not correct my writings from your own opinion or contentiousness, but from the divine reading or unshaken reason. If you grasp anything true in them, it is not mine by existing, but by understanding and loving it let it be both yours and mine; but if you convict anything false, it was mine by erring, but now by guarding against it let it be neither yours nor mine." Let this third book, then, take its beginning from where the second had reached. For when we had come to the point of wishing to show that the Son is not less than the Father because the one sent and the other was sent, nor the Holy Spirit less than both because he is read in the Gospel to have been sent by the one and by the other, we undertook to ask this: since the Son was sent to where he was, because he came into this world and was in this world, and since the Holy Spirit too was sent to where he himself was, since "the Spirit of the Lord has filled the whole world, and that which holds all things together has knowledge of the voice," whether the Lord was sent because he was born in the flesh from hiddenness and appeared, as if going out from the bosom of the Father, to the eyes of men in the form of a servant; and the Holy Spirit too for this reason, because he too was seen in bodily form as a dove and in divided tongues as of fire; so that for them to be sent was to proceed from spiritual secrecy into the sight of mortals in some bodily form; and since the Father did not do this, he is said only to have sent, not also to have been sent. Then it was asked why the Father too is not sometimes said to have been sent, if he himself was shown through those bodily appearances that appeared to the eyes of the ancients. But if the Son was shown then, why would he be said to be sent so long afterward, when the fullness of time came, that he should be born of a woman, since he was being sent before too, when he appeared bodily in those forms? Or if he could not rightly be said to be sent except when the Word became flesh, why is the Holy Spirit read to have been sent, of whom no such incarnation took place? But if through those ancient manifestations neither the Father nor the Son but the Holy Spirit was shown, why would he too now be said to be sent, when he was being sent in those ways before as well? Then we subdivided it, so that these things might be treated most carefully, and made the question threefold, one part of which has been unfolded in the second book; two remain, which I shall now proceed to discuss. For it has already been asked and treated that in those ancient bodily forms and visions it was not only the Father, nor only the Son, nor only the Holy Spirit that appeared, but either the Lord God without distinction, who is understood to be the Trinity itself, or any person of the Trinity whom the text of the reading might signify by the surrounding indications.

John 1:10 (allusion, high confidence) · John 1:18 (allusion, high confidence) · Phil 2:7 (allusion, high confidence) · Matt 3:16 (allusion, high confidence) · Acts 2:3 (allusion, high confidence) · Gal 4:4 (allusion, high confidence) · John 1:14 (allusion, high confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: In the prologue to Book 3 Augustine explains why he writes on the Trinity, asks readers not to treat his books like Scripture and correctors to correct him from Scripture and sound reason, and recapitulates the questions about the sendings and the theophanies left from Book 2.

  • The digital text begins with Migne's summary of the book and of the prologue ('In quo quaeritur … Quid dictum sit in superiore libro'); omitted by logged correction.
  • Quotations and allusions: John 1:10; Wis 1:7; John 1:18; Phil 2:7; Matt 3:16; Acts 2:3; Gal 4:4; John 1:14.
  • Augustine's remark on his limited Greek is translated as written.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (Migne's summary of the book and of the prologue, with the heading 'Prooemium' and the paragraph number): In quo quæritur, an in illis de quibus superiore libro dictum est, Dei apparitionibus, per corporeas species factis, tan­ tummodo creatura formata sit, in qua Deus sicut tunc oportuisse judicavit, humanis ostenderetur aspectibus; an angeli qui jam antea erant ita mittebantur, ut ex persona Dei loquerentur, assumentes corporalem speciem de creatura corio­ rea, aut ipsum corpus suum in species quas vellent accommodatas actionibus suis vertentes secundum attributam sibi a Creatore potentiam: ipsa autem Dei essentia nunquam per se ipsam visa luerit. PROŒMIUM. — i. Cur de Trinitate scribat. Quid a lectoribus desideret. Quid dictum sit in superiore libro. → .

Extrabiblical texts: Wis 1:7 (Wisdom of Solomon [in RC, EO, ETH canons]; quotation)

Topics: Scripture and canon

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Trin. 3.0 (PL 42:867–869; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-trinitate/2-16/#p-3-0). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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3.1PL 42:869–871

Nunc ergo primum quaeramus quod sequitur. Nam se­ cundo loco in illa distributione positum est, utrum ad hoc opus tantummodo creatura formata sit, in qua Deus, sicut tunc oportuisse judicavit, humanis osten­ deretur aspectibus: an Angeli, qui jam erant, ita mit­ tebantur, ut cx persona Dei loquerentur, assumentes corporalem speciem de creatura corporea in usnm ministerii sui; aut ipsum corpus suum, cui non sub­ duntur, sed subditum regunt 1, mutantes atque ver­ tentes in species quas vellent, accommodatas atquo aptas actionibus suis, secundum attributam sibi a Creatore potentiam. Qua quæstionis parte, quantum Dominus dederit, pertractata, postremo videndum erit id quod institueramus inquirere, utrum Filius et Spiritus sanctus et antea mittebantur; et si ita est, quid inter illam missionem et eam quam in EvangeLo legimus distet: an missus non sit aliquis eorum, nisi cum vel Filius factus est ex Maria virgine, vel cum Spiritus sanctus visibili specie, sive in columba, sive. in igneis linguis apparuit (Supra, lib. i, cap. 7, n. 43). Sed fateor excedere vires intentionis meæ, utrum Angeli manente spirituali sui corporis qualitate per hanc occultius operantes, assumant ex inferioribus elementis corpulentioribus, quod sibi coaptatum, quasi aliquam vestem mutent et vertant in quaslibet species corporales, etiam ipsas veras, sicut aqua vera in verum vinum conversa est a Domino: an ipsa propria corpora sua transforment in quod voluerint, accommodate' ad id quod agunt. Sed quod­ libet horum sit, ad præsentem quaestionem non per­ tinet. Et quamvis hæc, quoniam homo sum, nullo experimento possim comprehendere, sicut Angeli qui haec agunt, ct magis ea norunt quam ego novi, qua­ tenus mutetur corpus meum in affectu ' voluntatis meae, sive quod in DiC, sive quod ex aliis expertus siun: quid horum tamenr ex divinarum Scripturarum auctoritatibus credam, nunc non opus est dicere, ne cogar probare, et fiat sermo longior de re qua non indiget præsens quæstio. Illud nunc videndum est, utrum Angeli tunc agebant et illas corporum species apparentes oculis hominum, et illas voces insonantes auribus, cum ipsa sensibilis creatura ad nutum serviens Conditori I, in quod opus crat pro tempore vertebatur, sicut in libro Sapientiæ scriptum est: Creatura enim tibi factori de­ serviens, extenditur in tormentum adversum injustos, et lenior fit ad benefaciendum iis qui in te confidunt. Pro­ vter hoc et tunc in omnia se transfigurans, omnium nutrici gratiæ tuæ deserviebat ad voluntatem horum qui te desiderabant. Pervenit enim potentia voluntatis Dci 2 per creaturam spiritualem usque ad effectus visibiles atque sensibiles creatura corporalis. Ubi enim non operatur quod vult Dei omni­ potentis sapientia, quæ pertendit a fine usque ad finem fortiter, et disponit omnia suavitcr?

Now, then, let us first inquire into what comes next. For in that division the second place was given to this: whether a creature was formed only for this work, in which God might be shown to human sight as he then judged fitting; or whether angels, who already existed, were sent in such a way as to speak in the person of God, taking a bodily appearance from bodily creation for the use of their ministry, or changing and turning their own body, to which they are not subject but which they rule as subject to them, into whatever appearances they wished, suited and fit for their actions, according to the power given them by the Creator. When this part of the question has been treated, as far as the Lord grants, we must finally see what we had set out to inquire into: whether the Son and the Holy Spirit were sent before as well; and if so, what difference there is between that sending and the one we read of in the Gospel; or whether neither of them was sent except when either the Son was made of the Virgin Mary or the Holy Spirit appeared in visible form, whether in the dove or in fiery tongues. But I confess that it exceeds the powers of my attention whether the angels, while the spiritual quality of their body remains, working more hiddenly through it, take from the lower, more corpulent elements something which, fitted to themselves like a garment, they change and turn into any bodily appearances they please, even real ones, as real water was turned into real wine by the Lord; or whether they transform their own proper bodies into what they will, suited to what they are doing. But whichever of these it is, it does not concern the present question. And although, since I am a man, I cannot grasp these things by any experience, as the angels who do them can, and they know them better than I know how far my body is changed by the affection of my will, whether from what I have experienced in myself or from others, yet which of these I believe on the authority of the divine Scriptures there is no need to say now, lest I be forced to prove it and the discussion grow longer on a matter the present question does not need. What must now be seen is whether it was angels who then produced both those appearances of bodies seen by the eyes of men and those voices sounding in their ears, when the perceptible creature itself, serving the Creator at his bidding, was turned into what was needed for the time; as it is written in the book of Wisdom: "For the creation, serving you its maker, is strained to punish the unrighteous, and is relaxed to do good to those who trust in you. Therefore then too, transforming itself into all things, it served your grace that nourishes all, according to the will of those who longed for you." For the power of the will of God reaches through the spiritual creature even to the visible and perceptible effects of the bodily creature. For where does the wisdom of almighty God not work what it wills, which reaches mightily from end to end and orders all things sweetly?

John 2:9 (allusion, high confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: Augustine turns to the second question, whether theophanies were made through creatures formed for the purpose or through angels, leaving aside how angels assume or transform bodies, and affirms that God's will reaches through spiritual creatures to all visible effects.

  • Quotations and allusions: John 2:9; Wis 16:24–25; Wis 8:1. The cross-reference to Book 2 is the edition's ('lib. i' in the digital text).

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (leaked paragraph number (5) of the print): cap. 7, n. 43). 5. Sed → cap. 7, n. 43). Sed.

Extrabiblical texts: Wis 16:24 (Wisdom of Solomon [in RC, EO, ETH canons]; quotation); Wis 16:25 (Wisdom of Solomon [in RC, EO, ETH canons]; quotation); Wis 8:1 (Wisdom of Solomon [in RC, EO, ETH canons]; quotation)

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Trin. 3.1 (PL 42:869–871; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-trinitate/2-16/#p-3-1). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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3.2PL 42:871

Sed alius est ordo naturalis in conversione et mutabilitate corporum, qui quamvis etiam ipse ad nutum Dei serviat, perseverantia tamen consue­ tudinis amisit admirationcm: sicuti sunt quæ vel brevissimis, vel cerlc non longis intervallis tcm­ porum, cœlo, terra, marique mutantur, sive nascen­ tibus, sive occidentibus rebus, sive alias aliter atque aliter apparentibus: alia vero quamvis ex ipso ordi­ ne venientia, tamen propter longiora intervalla tem­ porum minus usitata. Qu;e licet multi stupeant, ab inquisitoribus hujus sæculi comprehensa sunt, et pro­ gressu generationum quo sæpius rcpelita, et a pluri­ hus cognita, eo minus mira sunt. Sicuti sunt defectus luminarium, et raro existentes quædam species side­ rum, et terræ molus, et monstruosi partus animan. tium, ct quæcumque similia, quornm nihil fit nisi vo­ luntate Dei, sed plerisque non apparct. Itaque licuit vanitati philosophorum, etiam causis aliis ea tribuere, vcl veris, sed proximis, cum omnino videre non pos­ sent superiorem cæteris omnibus causam, id est vo­ luntatem Dei; vel falsis, et ne ab ipsa quidcm per­ vestigatione corporalium rerum atque motionum, sed a sua suspicione et errore prolatis. Dicam si potero quiddam, exempli gratia, quo lucc apertiora sint. Est certe in corpore humano quæ­ dam moles carnis, et formæ species, et ordo distin­ ctioque membrorum, et temperatio valetudinis: hoc forpus inspirata anima regit, eademque rationalis; et ideo quamvis mutabilis, tamen quæ possit illius in­ commutabilis sapientiæ particeps esse, ut sit participatio ejus in idipsum, sicut in Psalmo scriptum est de omnibus sanctis, ex quibus tanquam lapidibus vivis ædificatur illa Jerusalem mater nostra æterna in cœ- * lis. Ita enim canitur: Jerusalem, quæ ædificatur ut ci­ vitas, cujus participatio ejus in idipsum. Idipsum quippe hoc loco illud summum et incommu­ tabile bonum intelligitur, quod Deus est, atque sa pientia voluntasque ipsius. Cui cantatur alio loco: Mutabis ea, et mutabuntur; tu vero idem ipse es.

But there is a natural order in the conversion and changeableness of bodies, which, although it too serves at the bidding of God, has lost the power to cause wonder through the constancy of custom: such are the things that change in heaven, on earth, and in the sea at very short or at least not long intervals of time, whether things being born, or perishing, or appearing now in one way and now in another. Other things, though they too come from that order, are less usual because of longer intervals of time. Although many are amazed at these, they have been understood by the investigators of this world, and the more often they are repeated in the course of generations and known by more people, the less wonderful they are. Such are eclipses of the luminaries, certain appearances of stars that occur rarely, earthquakes, monstrous births of living creatures, and anything of the kind; none of which happens except by the will of God, but to most people this does not appear. And so the vanity of the philosophers was free to attribute them to other causes as well: either true ones, but proximate, since they could not at all see the cause above all the others, that is, the will of God; or false ones, put forward not even from the investigation of bodily things and motions, but from their own suspicion and error. I will state something, if I can, by way of example, so that these things may be clearer. There is certainly in the human body a certain mass of flesh, a form and appearance, an order and distinction of members, and a balance of health. This body is ruled by a soul breathed into it, and that a rational one; and therefore, although changeable, it is one that can partake of that unchangeable Wisdom, so that its participation is "in the selfsame," as it is written in the Psalm of all the saints, of whom, as of living stones, that Jerusalem is built, our eternal mother in the heavens. For thus it is sung: "Jerusalem, which is built as a city, whose participation is in the selfsame." For "the selfsame" is understood in this place as that highest and unchangeable good which God is, and his wisdom and will. To him it is sung in another place: "You will change them, and they will be changed; but you are the selfsame."

1 Pet 2:5 (allusion, high confidence) · Gal 4:26 (allusion, high confidence) · Ps 122:3 (121:3 Vulg.) (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 102:26 (101:27 Vulg.) (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 102:27 (101:28 Vulg.) (quotation, high confidence)

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Summary: Augustine distinguishes the ordinary natural order, which God's will governs though custom hides it, from rarer events that philosophers attribute only to proximate causes, and begins an illustration from the rational soul, which can partake of God's unchangeable wisdom.

  • Quotations and allusions: 1 Pet 2:5; Gal 4:26; Ps 122:3 (Ps 121:3 Vulgate, Old Latin: 'whose participation is in the selfsame'); Ps 102:26–27 (Ps 101:27–28 Vulgate).
  • 'The selfsame' renders idipsum, which Augustine takes as a name of the unchangeable God.

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Trin. 3.2 (PL 42:871; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-trinitate/2-16/#p-3-2). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude (Opus) from the Latin of Migne's Patrologia Latina (digital text of the Open Greek and Latin project); each batch compared afterwards with the public-domain translation in NPNF¹ 3 (1887).