Miscellanies 1.15.66

Summary: Most early Greek sages were barbarians or learned from barbarians: Pythagoras from Egyptians, Chaldeans, and Magi; Plato admits he learned from barbarians and visited Egypt.

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Greek text · Stählin 2:41–42

οἵδε μὲν οἱ χρόνοι τῶν παρʼ Ἕλλησι πρεσβυτάτων σοφῶν τε καὶ φιλοσόφων. ὡς δὲ οἱ πλεῖστοι αὐτῶν βάρβαροι τὸ γένος καὶ παρὰ βαρβάροις παιδευθέντες, τί δεῖ καὶ λέγειν, εἴ γε Τυρρηνὸς ἢ Τύριος ὁ Πυθαγόρας ἐδείκνυτο, Ἀντισθένης δὲ Φρὺξ ἦν καὶ Ὀρφεὺς Ὀδρύσης ἢ Θρᾷξ; Ὅμηρον γὰρ οἱ πλεῖστοι Αἰγύπτιον φαίνουσιν. Θαλῆς δὲ Φοῖνιξ ὢν τὸ γένος καὶ τοῖς Αἰγυπτίων προφήταις συμβεβληκέναι εἴρηται, καθάπερ καὶ ὁ Πυθαγόρας αὐτοῖς γε τούτοις, διʼ οὓς καὶ περιετέμετο, ἵνα δὴ καὶ εἰς τὰ ἄδυτα κατελθὼν τὴν μυστικὴν παρʼ Αἰγυπτίων ἐκμάθοι φιλοσοφίαν, Χαλδαίων τε καὶ Μάγων τοῖς ἀρίστοις συνεγένετο καὶ τὴν ἐκκλησίαν τὴν νῦν οὕτω καλουμένην τὸ παρʼ αὐτῷ ὁμακοεῖον αἰνίττεται. Πλάτων δὲ οὐκ ἀρνεῖται τὰ κάλλιστα εἰς φιλοσοφίαν παρὰ τῶν βαρβάρων ἐμπορεύεσθαι εἴς τε Αἴγυπτον ἀφικέσθαι ὁμολογεῖ. δύνασθαι γοῦν ἐν τῷ Φαίδωνί φησι πανταχόθεν τὸν φιλόσοφον ὠφελεῖσθαι γράφων· πολλὴ μὲν ἡ Ἑλλάς, ἔφη, ὦ Κέβης, ἦ δʼ ὅς, ἐν ᾗ εἰσι πάμπαν ἀγαθοὶ ἄνδρες, πολλὰ δὲ καὶ τὰ τῶν βαρβάρων γένη.

English · Claude translation

These are the dates of the most ancient sages and philosophers among the Greeks. That most of them were barbarians by race and educated among barbarians, what need is there to say, if Pythagoras was shown to be a Tyrrhenian or Tyrian, Antisthenes was a Phrygian, and Orpheus an Odrysian or Thracian? Most show that Homer was an Egyptian. Thales, a Phoenician by race, is said to have met the prophets of the Egyptians, as did Pythagoras with these same men, for whose sake he was even circumcised, so that he might go down into the inner sanctuaries and learn the mystic philosophy from the Egyptians; he associated with the best of the Chaldeans and Magi; and his common auditory hints at what is now called the church. Plato does not deny that he imported the finest things into philosophy from the barbarians, and admits that he went to Egypt. At any rate in the Phaedo he says that the philosopher can be benefited from every quarter, writing: “Greece is large, Cebes,” he said, “in which there are very good men, and many are the races of the barbarians.”

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Stählin 2:41–42 · Otto Stählin, ed., Clemens Alexandrinus, vol. 2, Stromata Buch I–VI, GCS 15 (Leipzig: Hinrichs, 1906); vol. 3, Stromata Buch VII und VIII, GCS 17 (Leipzig: Hinrichs, 1909) · Greek text: Otto Stählin, Clemens Alexandrinus 2–3 (GCS 15, 17, 1906–1909), digitized by the Perseus Digital Library, CC BY-SA 4.0
Text
As printed in Stählin, GCS 15, 17. Manuscript variants and the editor's apparatus are not reproduced; no textual problem is noted in this passage.
Translation
Claude translation (claude-opus-5-5), 2026-09-27 · Translated by Claude from the Greek text of Stählin (1906–1909); made independently of existing English translations.
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Ante-Nicene Fathers, vol. 2 (1885) (an older public-domain English translation, whole volume at CCEL; checked against ours only after ours was made) · Book 3 is left partly untranslated (in Latin) there.
Extrabiblical texts
  • Plato, Phaedo 78a (Plato (works)) · quotation, high confidence
Topics
Scripture and canon

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Translation notes

  • The quotation is Plato, Phaedo 78a. “Common auditory” (ὁμακοεῖον) was the Pythagoreans' meeting place.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (accent missing on εἴ; breathing missing on the first letter): εἰ γε Τυρρηνὸς → εἴ γε Τυρρηνὸς; Ὀρφεὺς Οδρύσης → Ὀρφεὺς Ὀδρύσης.

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Clement of Alexandria, Strom. 1.15.66 (trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/clement-stromata/1/15/66/).

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Clement of Alexandria, Strom. 1.15.66 (trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/clement-stromata/1/15/66/).

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