Miscellanies 2.20.107
Summary: The tragedians mock Menelaus for yielding to Helen; Antisthenes would shoot Aphrodite for corrupting women; pleasure, even if God-given for procreation, must not be admitted; Xenophon's Virtue rebukes pleasure's luxuries.
Greek text · Stählin 2:171–172
ὅθεν ἐπισκώπτοντες οἱ τραγῳδοποιοὶ ὀνειδιστικῶς ἐπεβόησαν αὐτῷ· σὺ δʼ, ὡς ἐσεῖδες μαστόν, ἐκβαλὼν ξίφος φίλημʼ ἐδέξω, προδότιν αἰκάλλων κύνα. καὶ πάλιν· ἆρʼ εἰς τὸ κάλλος ἐκκεκώφηνται ξίφη; ἐγὼ δὲ ἀποδέχομαι τὸν Ἀντισθένη, τὴν Ἀφροδίτην λέγοντα κἂν κατατοξεύσαιμι, εἰ λάβοιμι, ὅτι πολλὰς ἡμῶν καλὰς καὶ ἀγαθὰς γυναῖκας διέφθειρεν. τόν τε ἔρωτα κακίαν φησὶ φύσεως· ἧς ἥττους ὄντες οἱ κακοδαίμονες θεὸν τὴν νόσον καλοῦσιν. δείκνυται γὰρ διὰ τούτων ἡττᾶσθαι τοὺς ἀμαθεστέρους διʼ ἄγνοιαν ἡδονῆς, ἣν οὐ χρὴ προσίεσθαι, κἂν θεὸς λέγηται, τουτέστι κἂν θεόθεν ἐπὶ τὴν τῆς παιδοποιίας χρείαν δεδομένη τυγχάνῃ. καὶ ὁ Ξενοφῶν ἄντικρυς κακίαν λέγων τὴν ἡδονήν φησιν· ὦ τλῆμον, τί δὲ σὺ ἀγαθὸν οἶσθα, ἢ τί καλὸν σκοπεῖς; ἥτις οὐδὲ τὴν τῶν ἡδέων ἐπιθυμίαν ἀναμένεις, πρὶν μὲν πεινῆν ἐσθίουσα, πρὶν δὲ διψῆν πίνουσα, καὶ ἵνα μὲν ἡδέως φάγῃς, ὀψοποιοὺς μηχανωμένη· ἵνα δὲ ἡδέως πίνῃς, οἴνους πολυτελεῖς παρασκευάζῃ, καὶ τοῦ θέρους χιόνα περιθέουσα ζητεῖς· ἵνα δὲ κατακοιμηθῇς ἡδέως, οὐ μόνον τὰς κλίνας μαλθακάς, ἀλλὰ καὶ τὰ ὑπόβαθρα ταῖς κλίναις παρασκευάζῃ.
English · Claude translation
That is why the tragic poets, mocking him, cried out in reproach: “But you, when you saw her breast, threw away your sword and received her kiss, fawning on the traitorous bitch.” And again: “Have swords been blunted by beauty?” And I approve of Antisthenes, who said, “I would shoot Aphrodite if I could catch her, because she has corrupted many of our good and noble women.” And he says that love is a vice of nature; those overcome by it, the wretched, call the disease a god. For by these words it is shown that the more ignorant are overcome through ignorance by pleasure, which must not be admitted, even if it is called a god, that is, even if it has been given by God for the need of begetting children. And Xenophon, plainly calling pleasure vice, says: “Wretched one, what good do you know, or what noble thing do you consider? You who do not even wait for the desire for pleasant things, eating before you are hungry and drinking before you are thirsty; and to eat with pleasure you contrive cooks, and to drink with pleasure you provide costly wines and run about seeking snow in summer; and to sleep with pleasure you provide not only soft beds but also supports for the beds.”
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- The quotations are Euripides, Andromache 629–30, Orestes 1287 (a free form), Antisthenes (fragments), and Xenophon, Memorabilia 2.1.30 (Prodicus' fable of Heracles' choice).
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Clement of Alexandria, Strom. 2.20.107 (trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/clement-stromata/2/20/107/).
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Clement of Alexandria, Strom. 2.20.107 (trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/clement-stromata/2/20/107/).
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