Against Celsus 4.58–4.73

Greek text: Koetschau, GCS 2–3 (Greek text: P. Koetschau, Origenes Werke 1–2 (GCS 2–3, 1899), digitized by the Perseus Digital Library and published by the First Thousand Years of Greek project (Open Greek and Latin), CC BY-SA 4.0).English: Claude (claude-opus-5-5), public domain (CC0). Compare: Ante-Nicene Fathers, vol. 4 (1885).

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Chapter 4

4.58Koetschau 1:330–331

Ἔτι δὲ καὶ τοῦτό φαμεν τῷ Κέλσῳ εἰπόντι· ψυχὴ μὲν θεοῦ ἔργον, σώματος δὲ ἄλλη φύσις καὶ οὐ μόνον ἀκατασκευάστως τὸ τηλικοῦτον δόγμα ῥίψαντι ἀλλὰ καὶ ἀδιορίστως· οὐ γὰρ ἐσαφήνισε, πότερον πᾶσα ψυχὴ θεοῦ ἔργον ἢ μόνη ἡ λογική· φαμὲν τοίνυν πρὸς αὐτόν· εἰ μὲν πᾶσα ψυχὴ θεοῦ ἔργον, δηλονότι καὶ τῶν ἀλόγων καὶ εὐτελεστάτων, ἵνα καὶ παντὸς σώματος ἄλλη φύσις ᾖ παρὰ τὴν τῆς ψυχῆς. ἔοικε μέντοι ἐν τοῖς ἑξῆς. ἐν οἷς καὶ θεοφιλέστερα τὰ ἄλογα ζῷά φησιν ἡμῶν καὶ τοῦ θείου τὴν ἔννοιαν ἔχειν καθαρωτέραν, παριστάνειν ὅτι οὐ μόνον ἡ τῶν ἀνθρώπων ἀλλὰ πολὺ μᾶλλον καὶ ἡ τῶν ἀλόγων ζῴων ψυχὴ ἔργον ἐστὶ τοῦ θεοῦ· τοῦτο γὰρ ἀκολουθεῖ τῷ θεοφιλέστερα λέγεσθαι ἐκεῖνα ἡμῶν. εἰ δὲ μόνη ἡ λογικὴ ψυχὴ θεοῦ ἔργον ἐστὶ, πρῶτον μὲν οὐκ ἐσαφήνισε τὸ τοιοῦτον· δεύτερον δὲ ἀκολουθεῖ τῷ ἀδιορίστως εἰρῆσθαι περὶ τῆς ψυχῆς, ὡς οὐ πάσης ἀλλὰ μόνης τῆς λογικῆς οὔσης θεοῦ ἔργον. τὸ μηδὲ παντὸς σώματος (ἄλλην) εἶναι φύσιν. εἰ δὲ μὴ παντὸς σώματος ἄλλη φύσις, ἀλλʼ ἑκάστου ἐστὶ τὸ σῶμα ζῴου ἀνάλογον τῇ ψυχῇ, δῆλον ὅτι οὗ ψυχὴ θεοῦ ἔργον ἐστὶ, διαφέροι ἂν τὸ ταύτης σῶμα σώματος, ἐν ᾧ οἰκεῖ ψυχὴ οὐκ οὖσα ἔργον θεοῦ. καὶ οὕτω ψεῦδος ἔσται τὸ μηδὲν διοίσειν νυκτερίδος ἢ εὐλῆς ἢ βατράχου σῶμα παρὰ τὸ τοῦ ἀνθρώπου.

Eti de kai touto phamen tǭ Kelsǭ eiponti; psychē men theou ergon, sōmatos de allē physis kai ou monon akataskeuastōs to tēlikouton dogma rhipsanti alla kai adioristōs; ou gar esaphēnise, poteron pasa psychē theou ergon ē monē hē logikē; phamen toinyn pros auton; ei men pasa psychē theou ergon, dēlonoti kai tōn alogōn kai eutelestatōn, hina kai pantos sōmatos allē physis ę̄ para tēn tēs psychēs. eoike mentoi en tois hexēs. en hois kai theophilestera ta aloga zǭa phēsin hēmōn kai tou theiou tēn ennoian echein katharōteran, paristanein hoti ou monon hē tōn anthrōpōn alla poly mallon kai hē tōn alogōn zǭōn psychē ergon esti tou theou; touto gar akolouthei tǭ theophilestera legesthai ekeina hēmōn. ei de monē hē logikē psychē theou ergon esti, prōton men ouk esaphēnise to toiouton; deuteron de akolouthei tǭ adioristōs eirēsthai peri tēs psychēs, hōs ou pasēs alla monēs tēs logikēs ousēs theou ergon. to mēde pantos sōmatos (allēn) einai physin. ei de mē pantos sōmatos allē physis, allʼ hekastou esti to sōma zǭou analogon tę̄ psychę̄, dēlon hoti hou psychē theou ergon esti, diapheroi an to tautēs sōma sōmatos, en hǭ oikei psychē ouk ousa ergon theou. kai houtō pseudos estai to mēden dioisein nykteridos ē eulēs ē batrachou sōma para to tou anthrōpou.

We say this further to Celsus, who said, “The soul is the work of God, but the nature of the body is different,” and who threw out so great a doctrine not only without proof but also without definition; for he did not make clear whether every soul is the work of God, or only the rational soul. We say to him, then: If every soul is the work of God, clearly that of irrational and most worthless creatures is too, so that the nature of every body is different from that of the soul. He seems, however, in what follows, where he says that irrational animals are dearer to God than we are and have a purer notion of the divine, to represent not only the soul of men but much more that of irrational animals as the work of God; for this follows from saying that they are dearer to God than we are. But if only the rational soul is the work of God, first, he did not make this clear; and second, it follows from his speaking without definition about the soul, as if not every soul but only the rational one were the work of God, that the nature of every body is not different. And if the nature of every body is not different, but the body of each animal corresponds to its soul, clearly the body of the one whose soul is the work of God would differ from a body in which dwells a soul that is not the work of God. And so it will be false that the body of a bat, a worm, or a frog will not differ from that of a man.

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Summary: Celsus does not say whether every soul or only the rational soul is God's work; either way, since each body corresponds to its soul, a human body must differ from that of a bat or frog.

  • The claim that animals are dearer to God comes later in Celsus (see 4.88 and following).

Topics: Scripture and canon

Cite (SBL): Origen, Cels. 4.58 (Koetschau 1:330–331; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/origen-celsum/4-58/#p-4-58).

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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Greek text of Koetschau, GCS 2–3; made independently of existing English translations.

4.59Koetschau 1:331

Καὶ γὰρ ἄτοπον λίθους μὲν λίθων καὶ οἰκοδομήματα οἰκοδομημάτων νομίζεσθαι εἶναι καθαρώτερα ἢ μιαρώτερα παρὰ τὸ εἰς τιμὴν τοῦ θείου κατεσκευάσθαι ἢ εἰς ἀτιμοτάτων σωμάτων καὶ ἐναγῶν ὑποδοχὴν, σώματα δὲ σωμάτων μὴ διαφέρειν παρὰ τὸ λογικὰ εἶναι τὰ ἐνοικήσαντα ἢ ἄλογα, καὶ λογικῶν τὰ σπουδαιότερα ἢ τοὺς φαυλοτάτους ἀνθρώπους. τὸ τοιοῦτόν γε πεποίηκε τολμῆσαί τινας ἀποθεῶσαι μὲν τὰ τῶν διαφερόντων σώματα ὡς δεξάμενα ψυχὴν σπουδαίαν. ἀποῤῥίψαι δὲ ἢ ἀτιμάσαι τὰ τῶν φαυλοτάτων· οὐχ ὅτι πάντως τὸ τοιοῦτον ὑγιῶς γεγένηται, ἀλλʼ ὅτι ἀπό τινος ἐννοίας ὑγιοῦς ἔσχε τὴν ἀρχήν. ἢ ὁμοίως ὁ σοφὸς μετὰ τὴν τελευτὴν Ἀνύτου καὶ Σωκράτους φροντίσει τῆς ταφῆς τοῦ Σωκράτους σώματος καὶ τῆς Ἀνύτου καὶ τὸ παραπλήσιον ἀμφοτέροις κατασκευάσει ἠρίον ἢ τάφον; καὶ ταῦτα δὲ διὰ τὸ ὧν οὐδὲν ἔργον θεοῦ, τοῦ ὧν ἀναφερομένου ἐπὶ τὸ τοῦ ἀνθρώπου σῶμα ἢ τῶν ἐκ τοῦ σώματος ὄφεων καὶ ἐπὶ τὸ βοὸς ἢ τῶν ἐκ τοῦ σώματος βοὸς μελισσῶν καὶ ἐπὶ τὸ ἵππου ἢ ὄνου καὶ τῶν ἐξ ἵππου μὲν σφηκῶν ἐξ ὄνου δὲ κανθάρων, διʼ ἃ ἠναγκάσθημεν ἐπαναλαβεῖν καὶ τὸ ψυχὴ μὲν θεοῦ ἔργον, σώματος δὲ ἄλλη φύσις.

Kai gar atopon lithous men lithōn kai oikodomēmata oikodomēmatōn nomizesthai einai katharōtera ē miarōtera para to eis timēn tou theiou kateskeuasthai ē eis atimotatōn sōmatōn kai enagōn hypodochēn, sōmata de sōmatōn mē diapherein para to logika einai ta enoikēsanta ē aloga, kai logikōn ta spoudaiotera ē tous phaulotatous anthrōpous. to toiouton ge pepoiēke tolmēsai tinas apotheōsai men ta tōn diapherontōn sōmata hōs dexamena psychēn spoudaian. aporrhipsai de ē atimasai ta tōn phaulotatōn; ouch hoti pantōs to toiouton hygiōs gegenētai, allʼ hoti apo tinos ennoias hygious esche tēn archēn. ē homoiōs ho sophos meta tēn teleutēn Anytou kai Sōkratous phrontisei tēs taphēs tou Sōkratous sōmatos kai tēs Anytou kai to paraplēsion amphoterois kataskeuasei ērion ē taphon? kai tauta de dia to hōn ouden ergon theou, tou hōn anapheromenou epi to tou anthrōpou sōma ē tōn ek tou sōmatos opheōn kai epi to boos ē tōn ek tou sōmatos boos melissōn kai epi to hippou ē onou kai tōn ex hippou men sphēkōn ex onou de kantharōn, diʼ ha ēnankasthēmen epanalabein kai to psychē men theou ergon, sōmatos de allē physis.

For it is absurd that stones should be thought purer or more defiled than stones, and buildings than buildings, according as they have been built for the honor of the divine or to receive the most dishonorable and accursed bodies, while bodies should not differ from bodies according as their inhabitants are rational or irrational, and, among rational ones, according as they are the better people or the worst of men. Such a view has led some to dare to deify the bodies of eminent men as having received a good soul, and to cast out or dishonor those of the worst; not that such a thing has always been done soundly, but that it had its origin in a sound notion. Or will the wise man, after the death of Anytus and Socrates, care alike for the burial of the body of Socrates and that of Anytus, and build a similar monument or tomb for both? And we have said these things because of the phrase “of which none is the work of God,” the “of which” referring to the body of a man, or the serpents that come from the body, and to that of an ox, or the bees that come from the body of an ox, and to that of a horse or donkey, and the wasps from a horse and beetles from a donkey; on account of which we were compelled to take up again the statement, “The soul is the work of God, but the nature of the body is different.”

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Summary: Just as buildings differ according to their use, so bodies differ according to the souls that dwell in them; no wise person would bury Socrates and his accuser Anytus with equal honor.

  • Anytus was one of Socrates' accusers.

Topics: Ethics

Cite (SBL): Origen, Cels. 4.59 (Koetschau 1:331; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/origen-celsum/4-58/#p-4-59).

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4.60Koetschau 1:331–332

Εἶθʼ ἑξῆς φησιν ὅτι κοινὴ ἡ πάντων τῶν προειρημένων σωμάτων φύσις καὶ μία ἐς ἀμοιβὴν παλίντροπον ἰοῦσα καὶ ἐπανιοῦσα. καὶ πρὸς τοῦτο δὲ δῆλον ἐκ τῶν προειρημένων ὅτι οὐ μόνον τῶν προκατειλεγμένων σωμάτων κοινή ἐστιν ἡ φύσις ἀλλὰ καὶ τῶν „ἐπουρανίων.“ καὶ εἴπερ τοῦθʼ οὕτως ἔχει, δῆλον ὅτι κατʼ αὐτὸν, οὐκ οἶδα δὲ εἰ καὶ κατὰ τὴν ἀλήθειαν, μία ἐς ἀμοιβὴν παλίντροπον ἰοῦσά ἐστιν ἡ πάντων σωμάτων φύσις καὶ ἐπανιοῦσα. καὶ δῆλον μὲν ὅτι κατὰ τοὺς φθείροντας τὸν κόσμον τοῦθʼ οὕτως ἔχει· πειράσονται δὲ δεικνύναι καὶ οἱ μὴ φθείροντες αὐτὸν μετὰ τοῦ μὴ προσίεσθαι „πέμπτον σῶμα“ ὅτι καὶ κατʼ αὐτοὺς μία ἐς ἀμοιβὴν παλίντροπον ἰοῦσα καὶ ἐπανιοῦσά ἐστιν ἡ πάντων σωμάτων φύσις. οὕτω δὲ καὶ τὸ ἀπολλύμενον εἰς μεταβολὴν διαμένει· τὸ γὰρ ὑπο(κεί)μενον ἡ ὕλη ἀπολλυμένης τῆς ποιότητος διαμένει κατὰ τοὺς ἀγένητον αὐτὴν εἰσάγοντας. ἐὰν μέντοι γε δυνηθῇ τις παραδεῖξαι λόγος οὐκ ἀγένητον αὐτὴν ἀλλὰ πρός τινα χρείαν γεγονέναι, δῆλον ὅτι οὐχ ἕξει φύσιν περὶ διαμονῆς τὴν αὐτὴν τῷ ἀγένητος ὑποτεθεῖσθαι. ἀλλʼ οὐ ταῦτα νῦν πρόκειται ἀπαντῶσιν ἡμῖν πρὸς τὰς Κέλσου κατηγορίας φυσιολογεῖν.

Eithʼ hexēs phēsin hoti koinē hē pantōn tōn proeirēmenōn sōmatōn physis kai mia es amoibēn palintropon iousa kai epaniousa. kai pros touto de dēlon ek tōn proeirēmenōn hoti ou monon tōn prokateilegmenōn sōmatōn koinē estin hē physis alla kai tōn „epouraniōn.“ kai eiper touthʼ houtōs echei, dēlon hoti katʼ auton, ouk oida de ei kai kata tēn alētheian, mia es amoibēn palintropon iousa estin hē pantōn sōmatōn physis kai epaniousa. kai dēlon men hoti kata tous phtheirontas ton kosmon touthʼ houtōs echei; peirasontai de deiknynai kai hoi mē phtheirontes auton meta tou mē prosiesthai „pempton sōma“ hoti kai katʼ autous mia es amoibēn palintropon iousa kai epaniousa estin hē pantōn sōmatōn physis. houtō de kai to apollymenon eis metabolēn diamenei; to gar hypo(kei)menon hē hylē apollymenēs tēs poiotētos diamenei kata tous agenēton autēn eisagontas. ean mentoi ge dynēthę̄ tis paradeixai logos ouk agenēton autēn alla pros tina chreian gegonenai, dēlon hoti ouch hexei physin peri diamonēs tēn autēn tǭ agenētos hypotetheisthai. allʼ ou tauta nyn prokeitai apantōsin hēmin pros tas Kelsou katēgorias physiologein.

Then next he says: “The nature of all the aforesaid bodies is common, and one, going and returning in a cycle of change.” To this too it is clear from what has been said that the nature is common not only to the bodies listed before but also to the “heavenly” ones. And if this is so, clearly, according to him (I do not know whether also according to the truth), the nature of all bodies is one, going and returning in a cycle of change. And it is clear that this is so according to those who make the world perishable; but those who do not make it perishable, while not admitting a “fifth body,” will also try to show that according to them too the nature of all bodies is one, going and returning in a cycle of change. So too what perishes remains in change; for the underlying matter remains when the quality perishes, according to those who hold that matter is unbegotten. But if some argument can show that matter is not unbegotten but was made for some use, clearly it will not have the same nature as regards permanence as it would if it were supposed unbegotten. But it is not our present task, in answering Celsus's accusations, to discuss natural philosophy.

1 Cor 15:40 (allusion, medium confidence)

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Summary: Celsus's claim that all bodies share one changing nature applies equally to the heavenly bodies; whether matter itself endures depends on whether it is unbegotten or created, a question of natural philosophy Origen leaves aside.

  • The “fifth body” is Aristotle's ether (see 4.56). The heavenly bodies allude to 1 Cor 15:40.

Extrabiblical texts: Aristotle (Aristotle (works); allusion)

Topics: Scripture and canon

Cite (SBL): Origen, Cels. 4.60 (Koetschau 1:331–332; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/origen-celsum/4-58/#p-4-60).

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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Greek text of Koetschau, GCS 2–3; made independently of existing English translations.

4.61Koetschau 1:332–333

Φησὶ δʼ ὅτι καὶ ὕλης ἔκγονον οὐδὲν ἀθάνατον. καὶ πρὸς τοῦτο λελέξεται ὅτι, εἴπερ ὕλης οὐδὲν ἔκγονον ἀθάνατον, ἤτοι ἀθάνατος ὅλος ὁ κόσμος καὶ οὐχ ὡς ὕλης ἐστὶν ἔκγονον ἢ οὐδʼ αὐτὸς χρῆμά ἐστιν ἀθάνατον. εἰ μὲν οὖν ἀθάνατος ὁ κόσμος, ὅπερ ἀρέσκει καὶ τοῖς θεοῦ ἔργον εἰποῦσι μόνην τὴν ψυχὴν καὶ ἀπό τινος αὐτὴν κρατῆρος γεγονέναι λέγουσι. δεικνύτω ὁ Κέλσος οὐκ ἐξ ὕλης ἀποίου αὐτὸν γεγονέναι, τηρῶν τὸ ὕλης ἔκγονον οὐδὲν ἀθάνατον· εἰ δʼ, ἐπεὶ ὕλης ἔκγονόν ἐστιν ὁ κόσμος, οὐκ ἔστιν ἀθάνατον ὁ κόσμος· θνητὸν ὁ κόσμος ἆρʼ οὖν καὶ φθειρόμενον ἢ μή; εἰ μὲν γὰρ φθειρόμενον, ὡς θεοῦ ἔργον ἔσται φθειρόμενον· εἶτʼ ἐν τῇ φθορᾷ τοῦ κόσμου τὸ ἔργον τοῦ θεοῦ ἡ ψυχὴ τί ποιήσει. λεγέτω ὁ Κέλσος· εἰ δὲ διαστρέφων τὴν ἔννοιαν τοῦ ἀθανάτου φήσει τῷ φθαρτῷ μὲν οὐ φθειρομένῳ δὲ ἀθάνατον αὐτὸν εἶναι, ὡς δεκτικὸν μὲν θανάτου οὐ μὴν δὲ καὶ ἀποθνῄσκοντα. δῆλον ὅτι ἔσται τι κατʼ ἐκεῖνον θνητὸν ἅμα καὶ ἀθάνατον τῷ ἀμφοτέρων εἶναι δεκτικὸν, καὶ ἔσται θνητὸν οὐκ ἀποθνῇσκον, καὶ τὸ οὐ τῇ φύσει ἀθάνατον παρὰ τὸ μὴ ἀποθνῄσκειν ἰδίως λεγόμενον ἀθάνατον. κατὰ ποῖον οὖν σημαινόμενον διαστελλόμενος φήσει ὕλης ἔκγονον οὐδὲν ἀθάνατον; καὶ ὁρᾷς ὅτι πιεζόμενα αὐτὰ καὶ βασανιζόμενα τὰ ἐν τοῖς γράμμασι νοήματα διελέγχεται οὐκ ἐπιδεχόμενα τὸ γενναῖον καὶ ἀναντίῤῥητον. εἰπὼν δὲ ταῦτʼ ἐπιφέρει ὅτι τοῦδε μὲν πέρι ἀπόχρη τοσαῦτα· καὶ εἴ τις ἐπὶ πλεῖον ἀκούειν δύναιτο καὶ ζητεῖν. εἴσεται. ἴδωμεν οὖν ἡμεῖς οἱ κατʼ αὐτὸν ἀνόητοι, τί ἠκολούθησε τῷ κἂν ἐπʼ ὀλίγον ἡμᾶς αὐτοῦ ἀκούειν δυνηθῆναι καὶ ζητεῖν.

Phēsi dʼ hoti kai hylēs ekgonon ouden athanaton. kai pros touto lelexetai hoti, eiper hylēs ouden ekgonon athanaton, ētoi athanatos holos ho kosmos kai ouch hōs hylēs estin ekgonon ē oudʼ autos chrēma estin athanaton. ei men oun athanatos ho kosmos, hoper areskei kai tois theou ergon eipousi monēn tēn psychēn kai apo tinos autēn kratēros gegonenai legousi. deiknytō ho Kelsos ouk ex hylēs apoiou auton gegonenai, tērōn to hylēs ekgonon ouden athanaton; ei dʼ, epei hylēs ekgonon estin ho kosmos, ouk estin athanaton ho kosmos; thnēton ho kosmos arʼ oun kai phtheiromenon ē mē? ei men gar phtheiromenon, hōs theou ergon estai phtheiromenon; eitʼ en tę̄ phthorą tou kosmou to ergon tou theou hē psychē ti poiēsei. legetō ho Kelsos; ei de diastrephōn tēn ennoian tou athanatou phēsei tǭ phthartǭ men ou phtheiromenǭ de athanaton auton einai, hōs dektikon men thanatou ou mēn de kai apothnę̄skonta. dēlon hoti estai ti katʼ ekeinon thnēton hama kai athanaton tǭ amphoterōn einai dektikon, kai estai thnēton ouk apothnę̄skon, kai to ou tę̄ physei athanaton para to mē apothnę̄skein idiōs legomenon athanaton. kata poion oun sēmainomenon diastellomenos phēsei hylēs ekgonon ouden athanaton? kai horąs hoti piezomena auta kai basanizomena ta en tois grammasi noēmata dielenchetai ouk epidechomena to gennaion kai anantirrhēton. eipōn de tautʼ epipherei hoti toude men peri apochrē tosauta; kai ei tis epi pleion akouein dynaito kai zētein. eisetai. idōmen oun hēmeis hoi katʼ auton anoētoi, ti ēkolouthēse tǭ kan epʼ oligon hēmas autou akouein dynēthēnai kai zētein.

He says also: “Nothing born of matter is immortal.” To this it will be said that if nothing born of matter is immortal, either the whole world is immortal and not as born of matter, or it too is not an immortal thing. If, then, the world is immortal, as is held even by those who said that only the soul is the work of God and say that it came from a certain mixing bowl, let Celsus show that it did not come from matter without qualities, if he keeps to “nothing born of matter is immortal.” But if, since the world is born of matter, it is not immortal, the world is mortal: is it then also perishing, or not? If perishing, it will perish as the work of God; then, in the perishing of the world, what will the soul, the work of God, do? Let Celsus say. But if, twisting the notion of the immortal, he says that it is immortal in the sense of being perishable but not perishing, as capable of death but not actually dying, clearly there will be something, according to him, both mortal and immortal at once, by being capable of both; and it will be a mortal thing that does not die, and what is not immortal by nature will be called immortal in a special sense because it does not die. In what distinct sense, then, will he say, “Nothing born of matter is immortal”? You see that the thoughts in his writings, when pressed and examined, are refuted, not admitting what is noble and incontestable. Having said these things, he adds: “On this subject so much is enough; and if anyone is able to hear and inquire further, he will know.” Let us then, whom he considers foolish, see what has followed from our being able to hear him and inquire even a little.

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Summary: If nothing born of matter is immortal, then the world is either not born of matter or not immortal; either way Celsus's position leads to contradictions he cannot resolve.

  • The “mixing bowl” is Plato, Timaeus 41d; Timaeus 41a–b says the created gods are not immortal by nature but will not be dissolved, which Origen presses here.

Extrabiblical texts: Plato, Tim. 41a–b (Plato (works); allusion)

Topics: Scripture and canon

Cite (SBL): Origen, Cels. 4.61 (Koetschau 1:332–333; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/origen-celsum/4-58/#p-4-61).

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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Greek text of Koetschau, GCS 2–3; made independently of existing English translations.

4.62Koetschau 1:333–334

Ἑξῆς τούτοις τὰ διὰ πολλῶν καὶ οὐκ εὐκαταφρονήτων λόγων ποικίλως ζητηθέντα περὶ φύσεως κακῶν καὶ διαφόρως ἑρμηνευθέντα διʼ ὀλίγων λεξειδίων οἴεται δύνασθαι ἡμᾶς μαθεῖν, φάσκων· κακὰ δʼ ἐν τοῖς οὖσιν οὔτε πρόσθεν οὔτε νῦν οὔτε αὖθις ἥττω καὶ πλείω γένοιτʼ ἄν· μία γὰρ ἡ τῶν ὅλων φύσις καὶ ἡ αὐτὴ, καὶ κακῶν γένεσις ἀεὶ ἡ αὐτή. ἔοικε δὲ καὶ ταῦτʼ ἀπὸ τῶν ἐν τῷ Θεαιτήτῳ παραπεφράσθαι, ἐν οἷς ἔλεγεν ὁ παρὰ Πλάτωνι Σωκράτης· „ἀλλʼ οὔτε τὰ κακὰ ἐξ ἀνθρώπων ἀπολέσθαι δυνατὸν οὔτε παρὰ θεοῖς αὐτὰ ἱδρύσθαι“ καὶ τὰ ἑξῆς. καὶ δοκεῖ μοι μηδὲ Πλάτωνος ἀκριβῶς ἀκηκοέναι ὁ τὴν ἀλήθειαν ἐκπεριλαμβάνων ἐν τῷ ἑνὶ τούτῳ συγγράμματι καὶ ἐπιγράφων ἀληθῆ λόγον τὸ καθʼ ἡμῶν ἑαυτοῦ βιβλίον. ἡ γὰρ ἐν τῷ Τιμαίῳ λέξις φάσκουσα· „ὅταν δʼ οἱ θεοὶ τὴν γῆν ὕδατι καθαίρωσι“ δεδήλωκεν ὅτι καθαιρομένη ἡ γῆ τοῖς ὕδασιν ἥττονα ἔχει τὰ κακὰ παρὰ τὸν πρὸ τοῦ καθαίρεσθαι χρόνον. καὶ τοῦτό φαμεν κατὰ Πλάτωνα, τὸ ἥττονα εἶναί ποτε τὰ κακὰ, διὰ τὴν ἐν τῷ Θεαιτήτῳ λέξιν, φάσκουσαν μὴ δύνασθαι „ἀπολέσθαι ἐξ ἀνθρώπων τὰ κακά.“

Hexēs toutois ta dia pollōn kai ouk eukataphronētōn logōn poikilōs zētēthenta peri physeōs kakōn kai diaphorōs hermēneuthenta diʼ oligōn lexeidiōn oietai dynasthai hēmas mathein, phaskōn; kaka dʼ en tois ousin oute prosthen oute nyn oute authis hēttō kai pleiō genoitʼ an; mia gar hē tōn holōn physis kai hē autē, kai kakōn genesis aei hē autē. eoike de kai tautʼ apo tōn en tǭ Theaitētǭ parapephrasthai, en hois elegen ho para Platōni Sōkratēs; „allʼ oute ta kaka ex anthrōpōn apolesthai dynaton oute para theois auta hidrysthai“ kai ta hexēs. kai dokei moi mēde Platōnos akribōs akēkoenai ho tēn alētheian ekperilambanōn en tǭ heni toutǭ syngrammati kai epigraphōn alēthē logon to kathʼ hēmōn heautou biblion. hē gar en tǭ Timaiǭ lexis phaskousa; „hotan dʼ hoi theoi tēn gēn hydati kathairōsi“ dedēlōken hoti kathairomenē hē gē tois hydasin hēttona echei ta kaka para ton pro tou kathairesthai chronon. kai touto phamen kata Platōna, to hēttona einai pote ta kaka, dia tēn en tǭ Theaitētǭ lexin, phaskousan mē dynasthai „apolesthai ex anthrōpōn ta kaka.“

Next after this he thinks that we can learn, through a few petty phrases, what has been variously investigated through many not contemptible arguments about the nature of evils and differently interpreted, saying: “Evils among beings could be neither fewer nor more, either before, or now, or again; for the nature of the universe is one and the same, and the origin of evils is always the same.” He seems to have paraphrased this too from the Theaetetus, where Socrates in Plato said: “But it is not possible for evils to perish from among men, nor for them to be established among the gods,” and so on. And it seems to me that he who includes the truth in this one treatise and entitles his book against us The True Word has not even listened to Plato accurately. For the passage in the Timaeus which says, “When the gods purify the earth with water,” has shown that the earth, when purified by the waters, has fewer evils than in the time before it was purified. And we say that according to Plato evils are at times fewer, because of the passage in the Theaetetus which says that “evils cannot perish from among men.”

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Summary: Celsus claims the amount of evil in the world never changes, paraphrasing Plato's Theaetetus, but Plato's Timaeus implies that evils diminish after the earth is purified by flood.

  • The quotations are Plato, Theaetetus 176a, and Timaeus 22d.

Extrabiblical texts: Plato, Theaet. 176a (Plato (works); quotation); Plato, Tim. 22d (Plato (works); quotation)

Topics: Ethics

Cite (SBL): Origen, Cels. 4.62 (Koetschau 1:333–334; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/origen-celsum/4-58/#p-4-62).

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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Greek text of Koetschau, GCS 2–3; made independently of existing English translations.

4.63Koetschau 1:334

Οὐκ οἶδα δὲ τίνα τρόπον πρόνοιαν τιθεὶς ὅσον ἐπὶ ταῖς λέξεσι τοῦ βιβλίου τούτου οὔτε πλείονα οὔτʼ ἐλάττονα ἀλλʼ οἱονεὶ ὡρισμένα φησὶν εἶναι τὰ κακὰ, ἀναιρῶν δόγμα κάλλιστον περὶ τοῦ ἀόριστον εἶναι τὴν κακίαν καὶ τὰ κακὰ καὶ τῷ ἰδίῳ λόγῳ ἄπειρα. καὶ ἔοικε τῷ μήτε ἥττω μήτε πλείονα κακὰ γεγονέναι ἢ εἶναι ἢ ἔσεσθαι ἀκολουθεῖν ὅτι, ὥσπερ κατὰ τοὺς ἄφθαρτον τὸν κόσμον τηροῦντας τὸ ἰσοστάσιον τῶν στοιχείων ἀπὸ τῆς προνοίας γίνεται, οὐκ ἐπιτρεπούσης πλεονεκτεῖν τὸ ἕν αὐτῶν, ἵνα μὴ ὁ κόσμος φθαρῇ· οὕτως οἱονεὶ πρόνοιά τις ἐφέστηκε τοῖς κακοῖς, τοσοῖσδε τυγχάνουσιν, ἵνα μήτε πλείονα γένηται μήτε ἥττονα. καὶ ἄλλως δʼ ἐλέγχεται ὁ τοῦ Κέλσου περὶ τῶν κακῶν λόγος ἀπὸ τῶν ἐξετασάντων φιλοσόφων τὰ περὶ ἀγαθῶν καὶ κακῶν καὶ παραστησάντων καὶ ἀπὸ τῆς ἱστορίας ὅτι πρῶτον μὲν ἔξω πόλεως καὶ προσωπεῖα περικείμεναι αἱ ἑταῖραι ἐξεμίσθουν ἑαυτὰς τοῖς βουλομένοις. εἶθʼ ὕστερον καταφρονήσασαι ἀπέθεντο τὰ προσωπεῖα καὶ ὑπὸ τῶν νόμων μὴ ἐπιτρεπόμεναι εἰσιέναι εἰς τὰς πόλεις ἔξω ἦσαν αὐτῶν, πλείονος δὲ τῆς διαστροφῆς γινομένης ὁσημέραι ἐτόλμησαν καὶ εἰς τὰς πόλεις εἰσελθεῖν. ταῦτα δὲ Χρύσιππός φησιν ἐν τῇ περὶ ἀγαθῶν καὶ κακῶν εἰσαγωγῇ. ὅθεν ὡς τῶν κακῶν πλειόνων καὶ ἡττόνων γινομένων ἔστι λαβεῖν ὅτι οἱ καλούμενοι ἀμφίβολοι ἦσάν ποτε προεστηκότες, πάσχοντες καὶ διατιθέντες καὶ ταῖς ἐπιθυμίαις τῶν εἰσιόντων δουλεύοντες· ὕστερον δὲ οἱ ἀγορανόμοι τούτους ἐξῶσαν. καὶ περὶ μυρίων δʼ ἂν τῶν ἀπὸ κεχυμένης τῆς κακίας ἐπεισελθόντων τῷ βίῳ τῶν ἀνθρώπων ἔστιν εἰπεῖν ὅτι πρότερον οὐκ ἦν. αἱ γοῦν ἀρχαιόταται ἱστορίαι. καίτοι γε μυρία ὅσα κατηγοροῦσαι τῶν ἁμαρτανόντων, ἀῤῥητοποιοὺς οὐκ ἴσασι.

Ouk oida de tina tropon pronoian titheis hoson epi tais lexesi tou bibliou toutou oute pleiona outʼ elattona allʼ hoionei hōrismena phēsin einai ta kaka, anairōn dogma kalliston peri tou aoriston einai tēn kakian kai ta kaka kai tǭ idiǭ logǭ apeira. kai eoike tǭ mēte hēttō mēte pleiona kaka gegonenai ē einai ē esesthai akolouthein hoti, hōsper kata tous aphtharton ton kosmon tērountas to isostasion tōn stoicheiōn apo tēs pronoias ginetai, ouk epitrepousēs pleonektein to hen autōn, hina mē ho kosmos phtharę̄; houtōs hoionei pronoia tis ephestēke tois kakois, tosoisde tynchanousin, hina mēte pleiona genētai mēte hēttona. kai allōs dʼ elenchetai ho tou Kelsou peri tōn kakōn logos apo tōn exetasantōn philosophōn ta peri agathōn kai kakōn kai parastēsantōn kai apo tēs historias hoti prōton men exō poleōs kai prosōpeia perikeimenai hai hetairai exemisthoun heautas tois boulomenois. eithʼ hysteron kataphronēsasai apethento ta prosōpeia kai hypo tōn nomōn mē epitrepomenai eisienai eis tas poleis exō ēsan autōn, pleionos de tēs diastrophēs ginomenēs hosēmerai etolmēsan kai eis tas poleis eiselthein. tauta de Chrysippos phēsin en tę̄ peri agathōn kai kakōn eisagōgę̄. hothen hōs tōn kakōn pleionōn kai hēttonōn ginomenōn esti labein hoti hoi kaloumenoi amphiboloi ēsan pote proestēkotes, paschontes kai diatithentes kai tais epithymiais tōn eisiontōn douleuontes; hysteron de hoi agoranomoi toutous exōsan. kai peri myriōn dʼ an tōn apo kechymenēs tēs kakias epeiselthontōn tǭ biǭ tōn anthrōpōn estin eipein hoti proteron ouk ēn. hai goun archaiotatai historiai. kaitoi ge myria hosa katēgorousai tōn hamartanontōn, arrhētopoious ouk isasi.

I do not know how, while positing providence (at least as far as the words of this book go), he says that evils are neither more nor fewer but, as it were, fixed in number, doing away with the finest doctrine, that vice and evils are unlimited and by their own nature boundless. And it seems to follow from the claim that evils neither have been nor are nor will be fewer or more, that, just as according to those who hold the world to be indestructible the balance of the elements comes about by providence, which does not allow any one of them to gain the upper hand, so that the world may not perish, so, as it were, some providence presides over evils, which happen to be just so many, so that they become neither more nor fewer. Celsus's account of evils is refuted in another way too, by the philosophers who have examined questions of good and evil, and who have shown from history as well that at first courtesans hired themselves out to any who wished outside the city, wearing masks; then later, growing contemptuous, they laid the masks aside, and, not being permitted by the laws to enter the cities, they stayed outside them; but as corruption grew day by day, they dared to enter the cities too. Chrysippus says this in his Introduction to Goods and Evils. From this, since evils become more and fewer, one can gather that those called ambiguous once stood in public, suffering and inflicting outrage and serving the lusts of those who came in, but that later the market officials drove them out. And about countless things that have entered human life from the spreading of vice one could say that formerly they did not exist. At any rate, the most ancient histories, though they accuse sinners of countless things, do not know of those who commit unspeakable acts.

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Summary: Origen rejects Celsus's claim that the amount of evil is fixed, citing Chrysippus's history of how prostitution spread step by step into the cities.

  • Origen reports the lost Introduction to Goods and Evils of Chrysippus. The Greek ἀμφίβολοι ("ambiguous") is unusual; it apparently denotes male prostitutes, perhaps effeminate men, who took both roles; the exact sense is uncertain.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (missing breathing and accent in the digital text): ἔξω ησαν → ἔξω ἦσαν.

Extrabiblical texts: Chrysippus, Introduction to Goods and Evils (Chrysippus; allusion)

Topics: Ethics

Cite (SBL): Origen, Cels. 4.63 (Koetschau 1:334; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/origen-celsum/4-58/#p-4-63).

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4.64Koetschau 1:334–335

Πῶς ἐκ τούτων καὶ τῶν παραπλησίων οὐ καταγέλαστος φαίνεται Κέλσος, οἰόμενος τὰ κακὰ μήτε πλείω μήτε ἥττω γενέσθαι ποτʼ ἄν; εἰ γὰρ καὶ μία τῶν ὅλων φύσις καὶ ἡ αὐτὴ, οὐ πάντως καὶ ἡ τῶν κακῶν γένεσις ἀεὶ ἡ αὐτή. ὡς γὰρ μιᾶς καὶ τῆς αὐτῆς οὔσης τῆς τοῦδέ τινος ἀνθρώπου φύσεως οὐκ ἀεὶ τὰ αὐτά ἐστι περὶ τὸ ἡγεμονικὸν αὐτοῦ καὶ τὸν λόγον αὐτοῦ καὶ τὰς πράξεις, ὁτὲ μὲν οὔτε λόγον ἀνειληφότος ὁτὲ δὲ μετὰ τοῦ λόγου κακίαν, καὶ ταύτην ἤτοι ἐπὶ πλεῖον ἢ ἐπʼ ἔλαττον χεομένην, καὶ ἔστιν ὅτε προτραπέντος ἐπʼ ἀρετὴν καὶ προκόπτοντος ἐπὶ πλεῖον ἢ ἐπʼ ἔλαττον καὶ ἐνίοτε φθάνοντος καὶ ἐπʼ αὐτὴν τὴν ἀρετὴν ἐν πλείοσι θεωρίαις γινομένην ἢ ἐν ἐλάττοσιν. οὕτως ἔστιν εἰπεῖν μᾶλλον καὶ ἐπὶ τῆς τῶν ὅλων φύσεως ὅτι, εἰ καὶ μία ἐστὶ καὶ ἡ αὐτὴ τῷ γένει, ἀλλʼ οὐ τὰ αὐτὰ ἀεὶ οὐδʼ ὁμογενῆ συμβαίνει ἐν τοῖς ὅλοις· οὔτε γὰρ εὐφορίαι ἀεὶ οὔτʼ ἀφορίαι ἀλλʼ οὐδὲ ἐπομβρίαι οὔτε αὐχμοί· οὕτω δὲ οὐδὲ ψυχῶν κρειττόνων εὐφορίαι τεταγμέναι ἢ ἀφορίαι, καὶ χειρόνων ἐπὶ πλεῖον χύσις ἢ ἐπʼ ἔλαττον. καὶ ἀναγκαῖός γε τοῖς ἀκριβοῦν πάντα κατὰ τὸ δυνατὸν βουλομένοις ὁ περὶ τῶν κακῶν λόγος, οὐ μενόντων ἀεὶ ἐν ταὐτῷ διὰ τὴν ἤτοι τηροῦσαν τὰ ἐπὶ γῆς πρόνοιαν ἢ κατακλυσμοῖς καὶ ἐκπυρώσεσι καθαίρουσαν, καὶ τάχα οὐ τὰ ἐπὶ γῆς μόνον ἀλλὰ καὶ τὰ ἐν ὅλῳ τῷ κόσμῳ. δεομένῳ καθαρσίου, ὅταν πολλὴ ἡ κακία γένηται ἐν αὐτῷ.

Pōs ek toutōn kai tōn paraplēsiōn ou katagelastos phainetai Kelsos, oiomenos ta kaka mēte pleiō mēte hēttō genesthai potʼ an? ei gar kai mia tōn holōn physis kai hē autē, ou pantōs kai hē tōn kakōn genesis aei hē autē. hōs gar mias kai tēs autēs ousēs tēs toude tinos anthrōpou physeōs ouk aei ta auta esti peri to hēgemonikon autou kai ton logon autou kai tas praxeis, hote men oute logon aneilēphotos hote de meta tou logou kakian, kai tautēn ētoi epi pleion ē epʼ elatton cheomenēn, kai estin hote protrapentos epʼ aretēn kai prokoptontos epi pleion ē epʼ elatton kai eniote phthanontos kai epʼ autēn tēn aretēn en pleiosi theōriais ginomenēn ē en elattosin. houtōs estin eipein mallon kai epi tēs tōn holōn physeōs hoti, ei kai mia esti kai hē autē tǭ genei, allʼ ou ta auta aei oudʼ homogenē symbainei en tois holois; oute gar euphoriai aei outʼ aphoriai allʼ oude epombriai oute auchmoi; houtō de oude psychōn kreittonōn euphoriai tetagmenai ē aphoriai, kai cheironōn epi pleion chysis ē epʼ elatton. kai anankaios ge tois akriboun panta kata to dynaton boulomenois ho peri tōn kakōn logos, ou menontōn aei en tautǭ dia tēn ētoi tērousan ta epi gēs pronoian ē kataklysmois kai ekpyrōsesi kathairousan, kai tacha ou ta epi gēs monon alla kai ta en holǭ tǭ kosmǭ. deomenǭ katharsiou, hotan pollē hē kakia genētai en autǭ.

How, from these and similar facts, does Celsus not appear ridiculous, thinking that evils could never become more or fewer? For even if the nature of the universe is one and the same, it does not follow at all that the origin of evils is always the same. For just as, though the nature of this or that particular man is one and the same, the state of his ruling faculty, his reason, and his actions is not always the same (at one time he has not yet acquired reason, at another he has vice together with reason, and this spread either more or less widely; and sometimes he has been turned toward virtue and makes more or less progress, and occasionally he even attains virtue itself, and that in more or in fewer contemplations), so one can say still more of the nature of the universe that, even if it is one and the same in kind, the same things, or things of the same kind, do not always happen in the universe. For there are not always good harvests, nor always bad ones, nor always floods of rain, nor always droughts; and in the same way neither the good harvests nor the bad of better souls are fixed, nor is the outpouring of worse souls always greater or less. And for those who wish to examine everything as precisely as possible, the account of evils is necessary: evils do not always remain at the same level, because of the providence that either preserves what is on earth or cleanses it by floods and conflagrations, and perhaps not only what is on earth but also what is in the whole world, when it needs cleansing because vice has become great in it.

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Summary: Though the nature of the universe is one, its states vary, as a man's moral state varies, so evils increase and decrease, and providence cleanses the world by flood and fire.

Topics: Ethics, Eschatology

Cite (SBL): Origen, Cels. 4.64 (Koetschau 1:334–335; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/origen-celsum/4-58/#p-4-64).

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4.65Koetschau 1:335–336

Μετὰ ταῦτά φησιν ὁ Κέλσος· τίς ἡ τῶν κακῶν γένεσις, οὐ ῥᾴδιον μὲν γνῶναι τῷ μὴ φιλοσοφήσαντι, ἐξαρκεῖ δʼ εἰς πλῆθος εἰρῆσθαι ὡς ἐκ θεοῦ μὲν οὐκ ἔστι κακὰ, ὕλῃ δὲ πρόσκειται καὶ τοῖς θνητοῖς ἐμπολιτεύεται· ὁμοία δʼ ἀπʼ ἀρχῆς εἰς τέλος ἡ τῶν θνητῶν περίοδος, καὶ κατὰ τὰς τεταγμένας ἀνακυκλήσεις ἀνάγκη τὰ αὐτὰ ἀεὶ καὶ γεγονέναι καὶ εἶναι καὶ ἔσεσθαι. καὶ ὁ μὲν Κέλσος φησὶ τὴν τῶν κακῶν γένεσιν οὐ ῥᾴδιον εἶναι γνῶναι τῷ μὴ φιλοσοφήσαντι, ὡς τοῦ μὲν φιλοσοφοῦντος γνῶναι τὴν γένεσιν αὐτῶν δυναμένου ῥᾳδίως, τοῦ δὲ μὴ φιλοσοφοῦντος οὐ ῥᾳδίως μὲν οἵου τε ὄντος θεωρεῖν τὴν γένεσιν τῶν κακῶν, πλὴν εἰ καὶ μετὰ καμάτου ἀλλά γε δυνατοῦ ὄντος γνῶναι. ἡμεῖς δὲ καὶ πρὸς τοῦτό φαμεν ὅτι τὴν τῶν κακῶν γένεσιν οὐδὲ τῷ φιλοσοφήσαντι γνῶναι ῥᾴδιον, τάχα δὲ οὐδὲ τούτοις καθαρῶς αὐτὴν γνῶναι δυνατὸν, ἐὰν μὴ θεοῦ ἐπιπνοίᾳ καὶ τίνα τὰ κακὰ τρανωθῇ καὶ πῶς ὑπέστη δηλωθῇ καὶ τίνα τρόπον ἀφανισθήσεται νοηθῇ. ἐν κακοῖς γοῦν οὔσης καὶ τῆς περὶ θεοῦ ἀγνοίας, ὄντος δὲ μεγίστου κακοῦ καὶ τοῦ μὴ εἰδέναι τὸν τρόπον τῆς τοῦ θεοῦ θεραπείας καὶ τῆς εἰς αὐτὸν εὐσεβείας, πάντως μὲν καὶ κατὰ Κέλσον τινὲς τῶν φιλοσοφησάντων οὐκ ἔγνωσαν, ὅπερ δῆλόν ἐστιν ἐκ τῶν διαφόρων ἐν φιλοσοφίᾳ αἱρέσεων· καθʼ ἡμᾶς δὲ οὐδεὶς μὴ ἐγνωκὼς κακὸν εἶναι τὸ νομίζειν εὐσέβειαν σῴζεσθαι ἐν τοῖς καθεστηκόσι κατὰ τὰς κοινότερον νοουμένας πολιτείας νόμοις οἷός τε ἔσται τὴν γένεσιν γνῶναι τῶν κακῶν. καὶ οὐδεὶς μὴ διαλαβὼν τὰ περὶ τοῦ καλουμένου διαβόλου καὶ τῶν ἀγγέλων αὐτοῦ, τίς τε πρὸ τοῦ διάβολος γεγενῆσθαι οὗτος ἦν καὶ πῶς γεγένηται διάβολος καὶ τίς ἡ αἰτία τοῦ συναποστῆναι αὐτῷ τοὺς καλουμένους αὐτοῦ ἀγγέλους, οἷός τε ἔσται γνῶναι τὴν γένεσιν τῶν κακῶν. δεῖ δὲ τὸν μέλλοντα ταύτην εἰδέναι καὶ περὶ δαιμόνων ἀκριβέστερον διειληφέναι ὅτι τε μή εἰσι, καθὸ δαίμονές εἰσι, δημιουργήματα τοῦ θεοῦ, ἀλλὰ μόνον καθὸ λογικοί τινες, καὶ πόθεν ἐληλύθασιν ἐπὶ τὸ τοιοῦτοι γενέσθαι, ὡς ἐν καταστάσει δαιμόνων αὐτῶν ὑποστῆναι τὸ ἡγεμονικόν. εἴπερ οὖν ἄλλος τις τόπος τῶν ἐν ἀνθρώποις ἐξετάσεως δεόμενος δυσθήρατός ἐστι τῇ φύσει ἡμῶν, ἐν τούτοις καὶ ἡ τῶν κακῶν ταχθείη ἂν γένεσις.

Meta tauta phēsin ho Kelsos; tis hē tōn kakōn genesis, ou rhądion men gnōnai tǭ mē philosophēsanti, exarkei dʼ eis plēthos eirēsthai hōs ek theou men ouk esti kaka, hylę̄ de proskeitai kai tois thnētois empoliteuetai; homoia dʼ apʼ archēs eis telos hē tōn thnētōn periodos, kai kata tas tetagmenas anakyklēseis anankē ta auta aei kai gegonenai kai einai kai esesthai. kai ho men Kelsos phēsi tēn tōn kakōn genesin ou rhądion einai gnōnai tǭ mē philosophēsanti, hōs tou men philosophountos gnōnai tēn genesin autōn dynamenou rhądiōs, tou de mē philosophountos ou rhądiōs men hoiou te ontos theōrein tēn genesin tōn kakōn, plēn ei kai meta kamatou alla ge dynatou ontos gnōnai. hēmeis de kai pros touto phamen hoti tēn tōn kakōn genesin oude tǭ philosophēsanti gnōnai rhądion, tacha de oude toutois katharōs autēn gnōnai dynaton, ean mē theou epipnoią kai tina ta kaka tranōthę̄ kai pōs hypestē dēlōthę̄ kai tina tropon aphanisthēsetai noēthę̄. en kakois goun ousēs kai tēs peri theou agnoias, ontos de megistou kakou kai tou mē eidenai ton tropon tēs tou theou therapeias kai tēs eis auton eusebeias, pantōs men kai kata Kelson tines tōn philosophēsantōn ouk egnōsan, hoper dēlon estin ek tōn diaphorōn en philosophią haireseōn; kathʼ hēmas de oudeis mē egnōkōs kakon einai to nomizein eusebeian sǭzesthai en tois kathestēkosi kata tas koinoteron nooumenas politeias nomois hoios te estai tēn genesin gnōnai tōn kakōn. kai oudeis mē dialabōn ta peri tou kaloumenou diabolou kai tōn angelōn autou, tis te pro tou diabolos gegenēsthai houtos ēn kai pōs gegenētai diabolos kai tis hē aitia tou synapostēnai autǭ tous kaloumenous autou angelous, hoios te estai gnōnai tēn genesin tōn kakōn. dei de ton mellonta tautēn eidenai kai peri daimonōn akribesteron dieilēphenai hoti te mē eisi, katho daimones eisi, dēmiourgēmata tou theou, alla monon katho logikoi tines, kai pothen elēlythasin epi to toioutoi genesthai, hōs en katastasei daimonōn autōn hypostēnai to hēgemonikon. eiper oun allos tis topos tōn en anthrōpois exetaseōs deomenos dysthēratos esti tę̄ physei hēmōn, en toutois kai hē tōn kakōn tachtheiē an genesis.

After this Celsus says: "What the origin of evils is, is not easy for one who has not studied philosophy to know; but it is enough to say to the multitude that evils do not come from God, but cleave to matter and dwell among mortals; and the cycle of mortal things is alike from beginning to end, and according to the appointed revolutions the same things must always have happened, be happening, and be going to happen." Celsus says that the origin of evils is not easy to know for one who has not studied philosophy, as though the philosopher could know their origin easily, while the non-philosopher cannot easily discern the origin of evils, though he can know it, if only with toil. But we say in reply to this too that the origin of evils is not easy to know even for one who has studied philosophy, and perhaps even for such people it is not possible to know it purely, unless by God's inspiration it is made clear what evils are, and shown how they came into being, and understood in what way they will be done away with. At any rate, since ignorance about God is among evils, and not to know the manner of worshipping God and of piety toward him is the greatest evil, certainly, even according to Celsus, some of those who studied philosophy did not know it, as is clear from the different schools in philosophy. But in our view no one who has not come to know that it is an evil to think piety is preserved in the laws established according to the commonly understood constitutions of states will be able to know the origin of evils. And no one who has not grasped the facts about the one called the devil and his angels (who this one was before he became the devil, how he became the devil, and what the cause was of those called his angels revolting along with him) will be able to know the origin of evils. And one who is to know it must also have understood more exactly about demons, that, insofar as they are demons, they are not God's creations, but only insofar as they are rational beings, and whence they came to be such that their ruling faculty took on the condition of demons. If, then, any other subject among those in human life that need examination is hard for our nature to track down, the origin of evils would be counted among them.

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Summary: Against Celsus's claim that philosophers can explain evil, Origen says its origin can be known only by God's revelation, including the fall of the devil and his angels.

  • On αἱρέσεις here: the "schools" of philosophy (neutral sense).

Topics: Ethics

Cite (SBL): Origen, Cels. 4.65 (Koetschau 1:335–336; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/origen-celsum/4-58/#p-4-65).

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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Greek text of Koetschau, GCS 2–3; made independently of existing English translations.

4.66Koetschau 1:336–337

Εἶτα, ὡς ἔχων μέν τινα περὶ τῆς τῶν κακῶν γενέσεως εἰπεῖν ἀποῤῥητότερα σιωπῶν δʼ ἐκεῖνα καὶ τὰ πλήθεσιν ἁρμόζοντα λέγων, φησὶ τὸ ἐξαρκεῖν εἰρῆσθαι εἰς πλῆθος περὶ τῆς τῶν κακῶν γενέσεως ὡς ἐκ θεοῦ μὲν οὐκ ἔστι κακὰ, ὕλῃ δὲ πρόσκειται καὶ τοῖς θνητοῖς ἐμπολιτεύεται. ἀληθὲς μὲν οὖν ὅτι οὐκ ἔστι κακὰ ἐκ θεοῦ· καὶ κατὰ τὸν Ἱερεμίαν γὰρ ἡμῶν σαφὲς ὅτι „ἐκ στόματος κυρίου οὐκ ἐξελεύσεται τὰ κακὰ καὶ τὸ ἀγαθόν“· τὸ δὲ τὴν ὕλην τοῖς θνητοῖς ἐμπολιτευομένην αἰτίαν εἶναι τῶν κακῶν καθʼ ἡμᾶς οὐκ ἀληθές. τὸ γὰρ ἑκάστου ἡγεμονικὸν αἴτιον τῆς ὑποστάσης ἐν αὐτῷ κακίας ἐστὶν, ἥτις ἐστὶ τὸ κακόν· κακὰ δὲ καὶ αἱ ἀπʼ αὐτῆς πράξεις. καὶ ἄλλο οὐδὲν ὡς πρὸς ἀκριβῆ λόγον καθʼ ἡμᾶς ἐστι κακόν. ἀλλʼ οἶδα τὸν λόγον δεόμενον πολλῆς ἐξεργασίας καὶ κατασκευῆς, χάριτι θεοῦ, φωτίζοντος τὸ ἡγεμονικὸν, δυναμένων γενέσθαι τῷ κριθέντι ὑπὸ θεοῦ ἀξίῳ καὶ τῆς περὶ τὸν τόπον τοῦτον γνώσεως.

Eita, hōs echōn men tina peri tēs tōn kakōn geneseōs eipein aporrhētotera siōpōn dʼ ekeina kai ta plēthesin harmozonta legōn, phēsi to exarkein eirēsthai eis plēthos peri tēs tōn kakōn geneseōs hōs ek theou men ouk esti kaka, hylę̄ de proskeitai kai tois thnētois empoliteuetai. alēthes men oun hoti ouk esti kaka ek theou; kai kata ton Hieremian gar hēmōn saphes hoti „ek stomatos kyriou ouk exeleusetai ta kaka kai to agathon“; to de tēn hylēn tois thnētois empoliteuomenēn aitian einai tōn kakōn kathʼ hēmas ouk alēthes. to gar hekastou hēgemonikon aition tēs hypostasēs en autǭ kakias estin, hētis esti to kakon; kaka de kai hai apʼ autēs praxeis. kai allo ouden hōs pros akribē logon kathʼ hēmas esti kakon. allʼ oida ton logon deomenon pollēs exergasias kai kataskeuēs, chariti theou, phōtizontos to hēgemonikon, dynamenōn genesthai tǭ krithenti hypo theou axiǭ kai tēs peri ton topon touton gnōseōs.

Then, as one who could say something more secret about the origin of evils but keeps silent about it and says what suits the multitude, he says that it is enough to say to the multitude about the origin of evils that "evils do not come from God, but cleave to matter and dwell among mortals." It is true, then, that evils do not come from God; for according to our Jeremiah too it is plain that "out of the mouth of the Lord shall not come evil things and the good." But that matter dwelling among mortals is the cause of evils is not true in our view. For the ruling faculty of each person is the cause of the vice that exists in it, which is evil; and the actions that come from it are evils too. And nothing else, in our view, strictly speaking, is evil. But I know that this subject needs much working out and argument, which can come, by the grace of God who enlightens the ruling faculty, to the one judged by God worthy of knowledge on this topic as well.

Lam 3:38 (quotation, high confidence)

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Summary: Evil does not come from God, but neither from matter: the only true evil is the vice each person's own mind produces, and the deeds that flow from it.

  • The quotation is Lam 3:38 (ascribed to Jeremiah); Origen's reading makes the verse a denial that evil comes from God's mouth.

Topics: Ethics

Cite (SBL): Origen, Cels. 4.66 (Koetschau 1:336–337; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/origen-celsum/4-58/#p-4-66).

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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Greek text of Koetschau, GCS 2–3; made independently of existing English translations.

4.67Koetschau 1:337–338

Οὐκ οἶδα δὲ πῶς χρήσιμον ἔδοξε τῷ Κέλσῳ καθʼ ἡμῶν γράφοντι παραῤῥίψαι δόγμα, πολλῆς δεόμενον κἂν δοκούσης ἀποδείξεως, κατὰ τὸ δυνατὸν παριστάσης ὅτι ὁμοία ἀπʼ ἀρχῆς εἰς τέλος ἐστὶν ἡ τῶν θνητῶν περίοδος, καὶ κατὰ τὰς τεταγμένας ἀνακυκλήσεις ἀνάγκη τὰ αὐτὰ ἀεὶ καὶ γεγονέναι καὶ εἶναι καὶ ἔσεσθαι. ὅπερ ἐὰν ᾖ ἀληθὲς. τὸ ἐφʼ ἡμῖν ἀνῄρηται. εἰ γὰρ κατὰ (τὰς) τεταγμένας ἀνακυκλήσεις ἀνάγκη τὰ αὐτὰ ἀεὶ καὶ γεγονέναι καὶ εἶναι καὶ ἔσεσθαι ἐν τῇ τῶν θνητῶν περιόδῳ. δῆλον ὅτι ἀνάγκη ἀεὶ Σωκράτη μὲν φιλοσοφήσειν καὶ κατηγορηθήσεσθαι ἐπὶ καινοῖς δαιμονίοις καὶ τῇ τῶν νέων διαφθορᾷ, Ἄνυτον δὲ καὶ Μέλητον ἀεὶ κατηγορήσειν αὐτοῦ, καὶ τὴν ἐν Ἀρείῳ πάγῳ βουλὴν καταψηφίσεσθαι αὐτοῦ τὸν διὰ τοῦ κωνείου θάνατον. οὕτω δὲ ἀνάγκη ἀεὶ κατὰ τὰς τεταγμένας περιόδους Φάλαριν τυραννήσειν καὶ τὸν Φεραῖον Ἀλέξανδρον τὰ αὐτὰ ὠμοποιήσειν, τούς τε εἰς τὸν Φαλάριδος ταῦρον καταδικασθέντας ἀεὶ ἐν αὐτῷ μυκήσεσθαι· ἅπερ ἐὰν δοθῇ. οὐκ οἶδʼ ὅπως τὸ ἐφʼ ἡμῖν σωθήσεται καὶ ἔπαινοι καὶ ψόγοι εὐλόγως ἔσονται. λελέξεται δὲ πρὸς τὴν τοιαύτην ὑπόθεσιν τῷ Κέλσῳ ὅτι. εἴπερ ὁμοία ἐστὶν ἀπʼ ἀρχῆς εἰς τέλος ἡ τῶν θνητῶν ἀεὶ περίοδος. καὶ κατὰ τὰς τεταγμένας ἀνακυκλήσεις ἀνάγκη τὰ αὐτὰ ἀεὶ καὶ γεγονέναι καὶ εἶναι καὶ ἔσεσθαι, ἀνάγκη ἀεὶ κατὰ τὰς τεταγμένας περιόδους Μωϋσέα μὲν μετὰ τοῦ λαοῦ τῶν Ἰουδαίων ἐξελθεῖν ἐκ τῆς Αἰγύπτου. Ἰησοῦν δὲ πάλιν ἐπιδημῆσαι τῷ βίῳ τὰ αὐτὰ ποιήσοντα, ἅπερ οὐχ ἅπαξ ἀλλʼ ἀπειράκις κατὰ περιόδους πεποίηκεν· ἀλλὰ καὶ Χριστιανοὶ οἱ αὐτοὶ ἔσονται ἐν ταῖς τεταγμέναις ἀνακυκλήσεσιν, καὶ πάλιν Κέλσος γράψει τὸ βιβλίον τοῦτο. ἀπειράκις αὐτὸ πρότερον γράψας.

Ouk oida de pōs chrēsimon edoxe tǭ Kelsǭ kathʼ hēmōn graphonti pararrhipsai dogma, pollēs deomenon kan dokousēs apodeixeōs, kata to dynaton paristasēs hoti homoia apʼ archēs eis telos estin hē tōn thnētōn periodos, kai kata tas tetagmenas anakyklēseis anankē ta auta aei kai gegonenai kai einai kai esesthai. hoper ean ę̄ alēthes. to ephʼ hēmin anę̄rētai. ei gar kata (tas) tetagmenas anakyklēseis anankē ta auta aei kai gegonenai kai einai kai esesthai en tę̄ tōn thnētōn periodǭ. dēlon hoti anankē aei Sōkratē men philosophēsein kai katēgorēthēsesthai epi kainois daimoniois kai tę̄ tōn neōn diaphthorą, Anyton de kai Melēton aei katēgorēsein autou, kai tēn en Areiǭ pagǭ boulēn katapsēphisesthai autou ton dia tou kōneiou thanaton. houtō de anankē aei kata tas tetagmenas periodous Phalarin tyrannēsein kai ton Pheraion Alexandron ta auta ōmopoiēsein, tous te eis ton Phalaridos tauron katadikasthentas aei en autǭ mykēsesthai; haper ean dothę̄. ouk oidʼ hopōs to ephʼ hēmin sōthēsetai kai epainoi kai psogoi eulogōs esontai. lelexetai de pros tēn toiautēn hypothesin tǭ Kelsǭ hoti. eiper homoia estin apʼ archēs eis telos hē tōn thnētōn aei periodos. kai kata tas tetagmenas anakyklēseis anankē ta auta aei kai gegonenai kai einai kai esesthai, anankē aei kata tas tetagmenas periodous Mōÿsea men meta tou laou tōn Ioudaiōn exelthein ek tēs Aigyptou. Iēsoun de palin epidēmēsai tǭ biǭ ta auta poiēsonta, haper ouch hapax allʼ apeirakis kata periodous pepoiēken; alla kai Christianoi hoi autoi esontai en tais tetagmenais anakyklēsesin, kai palin Kelsos grapsei to biblion touto. apeirakis auto proteron grapsas.

I do not know how it seemed useful to Celsus, writing against us, to throw in a doctrine that needs much demonstration, even plausible demonstration, showing as far as possible that "the cycle of mortal things is alike from beginning to end, and according to the appointed revolutions the same things must always have happened, be happening, and be going to happen." If this is true, free will is abolished. For if according to the appointed revolutions the same things must always have happened, be happening, and be going to happen in the cycle of mortal things, it is clear that Socrates must always practise philosophy and be accused of new divinities and of corrupting the young, and Anytus and Meletus must always accuse him, and the council on the Areopagus must always condemn him to death by hemlock. So too, according to the appointed cycles, Phalaris must always be tyrant, and Alexander of Pherae must commit the same cruelties, and those condemned to Phalaris's bull must always bellow in it. If this is granted, I do not know how free will can be preserved, or how praise and blame can be reasonable. And to such a hypothesis this will be said to Celsus: if the cycle of mortal things is always alike from beginning to end, and according to the appointed revolutions the same things must always have happened, be happening, and be going to happen, then, according to the appointed cycles, Moses must always come out of Egypt with the people of the Jews, and Jesus must again come to live among us to do the same things, which he has done not once but infinitely many times according to the cycles; and the same Christians will exist in the appointed revolutions, and Celsus will write this book again, having written it infinitely many times before.

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Summary: If history repeats itself exactly in cycles, as Celsus claims, free will and moral praise and blame disappear, and Celsus himself must write his book endlessly again.

  • The parenthetical (τὰς) is the editor's supplement. Phalaris of Acragas roasted victims in a bronze bull; Alexander of Pherae was a notoriously cruel Thessalian tyrant.

Topics: Ethics

Cite (SBL): Origen, Cels. 4.67 (Koetschau 1:337–338; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/origen-celsum/4-58/#p-4-67).

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4.68Koetschau 1:338

Ὁ μὲν οὖν Κέλσος μόνην τὴν θνητῶν περίοδον κατὰ τὰς τεταγμένας ἀνακυκλήσεις ἐξ ἀνάγκης φησὶν ἀεὶ γεγονέναι καὶ εἶναι καὶ ἔσεσθαι· τῶν δὲ Στωϊκῶν οἱ πλείους οὐ μόνον τὴν τῶν θνητῶν περίοδον τοιαύτην εἶναί φασιν ἀλλὰ καὶ τὴν τῶν ἀθανάτων καὶ τῶν κατʼ αὐτοὺς θεῶν. μετὰ γὰρ τὴν τοῦ παντὸς ἐκπύρωσιν, ἀπειράκις γενομένην καὶ ἀπειράκις ἐσομένην, ἡ αὐτὴ τάξις ἀπʼ ἀρχῆς μέχρι τέλους πάντων γέγονέ τε καὶ ἔσται. πειρώμενοι μέντοι θεραπεύειν πως τὰς ἀπεμφάσεις οἱ ἀπὸ τῆς Στοᾶς οὐκ οἶδʼ ὅπως ἀπαραλλάκτους φασὶν ἔσεσθαι κατὰ περίοδον τοῖς ἀπὸ τῶν προτέρων περιόδων πάντας, ἵνα μὴ Σωκράτης πάλιν γένηται, ἀλλʼ ἀπαράλλακτός τις τῷ Σωκράτει. γαμήσων ἀπαράλλακτον τῇ Ξανθίππῃ καὶ κατηγορηθησόμενος ὑπὸ ἀπαραλλάκτων Ἀνύτῳ καὶ Μελήτῳ. οὐκ οἶδα δὲ πῶς ὁ μὲν κόσμος ἀεὶ ὁ αὐτός ἐστι καὶ οὐκ ἀπαράλλακτος ἕτερος ἑτέρῳ, τὰ δʼ ἐν αὐτῷ οὐ τὰ αὐτὰ ἀλλὰ ἀπαράλλακτα. ἀλλὰ γὰρ ὁ προηγούμενος καὶ πρὸς τὰς Κέλσου λέξεις καὶ πρὸς τὰς ἀπὸ τῆς Στοᾶς λόγος εὐκαιρότερον ἐν ἄλλοις ἐξετασθήσεται, ἐπεὶ μὴ κατὰ τὸν παρόντα καιρὸν καὶ τὴν ἐνεστηκυῖαν πρόθεσιν ἁρμόζει ἐν τούτοις πλεονάσαι.

Ho men oun Kelsos monēn tēn thnētōn periodon kata tas tetagmenas anakyklēseis ex anankēs phēsin aei gegonenai kai einai kai esesthai; tōn de Stōïkōn hoi pleious ou monon tēn tōn thnētōn periodon toiautēn einai phasin alla kai tēn tōn athanatōn kai tōn katʼ autous theōn. meta gar tēn tou pantos ekpyrōsin, apeirakis genomenēn kai apeirakis esomenēn, hē autē taxis apʼ archēs mechri telous pantōn gegone te kai estai. peirōmenoi mentoi therapeuein pōs tas apemphaseis hoi apo tēs Stoas ouk oidʼ hopōs aparallaktous phasin esesthai kata periodon tois apo tōn proterōn periodōn pantas, hina mē Sōkratēs palin genētai, allʼ aparallaktos tis tǭ Sōkratei. gamēsōn aparallakton tę̄ Xanthippę̄ kai katēgorēthēsomenos hypo aparallaktōn Anytǭ kai Melētǭ. ouk oida de pōs ho men kosmos aei ho autos esti kai ouk aparallaktos heteros heterǭ, ta dʼ en autǭ ou ta auta alla aparallakta. alla gar ho proēgoumenos kai pros tas Kelsou lexeis kai pros tas apo tēs Stoas logos eukairoteron en allois exetasthēsetai, epei mē kata ton paronta kairon kai tēn enestēkuian prothesin harmozei en toutois pleonasai.

Celsus, then, says that only the cycle of mortal things must necessarily, according to the appointed revolutions, always have happened, be happening, and be going to happen; but most of the Stoics say that not only the cycle of mortal things is such, but also that of immortal things and of the gods they believe in. For after the conflagration of the universe, which has happened infinitely many times and will happen infinitely many times, the same order of all things from beginning to end has come about and will come about. Trying, however, to remedy the absurdities somehow, the Stoics say, I do not know how, that in each cycle all will be indistinguishable from those of the earlier cycles, so that Socrates does not come into being again, but someone indistinguishable from Socrates, who will marry a woman indistinguishable from Xanthippe and be accused by men indistinguishable from Anytus and Meletus. But I do not know how the world is always the same and not one world indistinguishable from another, while the things in it are not the same but indistinguishable. But the fundamental argument against both Celsus's words and those of the Stoics will be examined more suitably elsewhere, since it does not fit the present occasion and the purpose at hand to enlarge on these matters here.

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Summary: Origen notes that the Stoics extend the doctrine of endlessly repeating world-cycles even to the gods, and mocks their attempt to say each cycle has only 'indistinguishable' copies.

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  • Digital text corrected (missing breathing and accent in the digital text): Ὁ μὲν ουν → Ὁ μὲν οὖν.

Cite (SBL): Origen, Cels. 4.68 (Koetschau 1:338; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/origen-celsum/4-58/#p-4-68).

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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Greek text of Koetschau, GCS 2–3; made independently of existing English translations.

4.69Koetschau 1:338–339

Μετὰ ταῦτα λέγει ὅτι οὔτε τὰ ὁρώμενα ἀνθρώπῳ δέδοται, ἀλλʼ ἕκαστα τοῦ ὅλου σωτηρίας εἵνεκα γίνεταί τε καὶ ἀπόλλυται καθʼ ἣν προεῖπον ἀμοιβὴν ἐξ ἀλλήλων εἰς ἄλληλα· περισσὸν δὲ τὸ προσδιατρίβειν τῇ τούτων ἀνατροπῇ, κατὰ δύναμιν ἡμῖν προεκτεθείσῃ. εἴρηται δὲ καὶ εἰς τοῦτο· οὔτε δὲ τὰ ἀγαθὰ οὔτε τὰ κακὰ ἐν τοῖς θνητοῖς ἐλάττω ἢ πλείω γένοιτʼ ἄν. λέλεκται καὶ εἰς τό· οὔτε τῷ θεῷ καινοτέρας δεῖ διορθώσεως. ἀλλʼ οὐδʼ ὡς ἄνθρωπος τεκτηνάμενός τι ἐνδεῶς καὶ ἀτεχνότερον δημιουργήσας ὁ θεὸς προσάγει διόρθωσιν τῷ κόσμῳ, καθαίρων αὐτὸν κατακλυσμῷ ἢ ἐκπυρώσει, ἀλλὰ τὴν χύσιν τῆς κακίας κωλύων ἐπὶ πλεῖον νέμεσθαι, ἐγὼ δʼ οἶμαι ὅτι καὶ πάντῃ τεταγμένως αὐτὴν ἀφανίζων συμφερόντως τῷ παντί. εἰ δὲ μετὰ τὸν ἀφανισμὸν τῆς κακίας λόγον ἔχει τὸ πάλιν αὐτὴν ὑφίστασθαι ἢ μὴ, ἐν προηγουμένῳ λόγῳ τὰ τοιαῦτα ἐξετασθήσεται. θέλει οὖν διὰ καινοτέρας διορθώσεως ἀεὶ ὁ θεὸς τὰ σφάλματα ἀναλαμβάνειν. εἰ γὰρ καὶ τέτακται αὐτῷ πάντα κάλλιστα καὶ ἀσφαλέστατα κατὰ τὴν τῶν ὅλων δημιουργίαν, ἀλλʼ οὐδὲν ἧττον ἰατρικῆς τινος αὐτῷ ἐδέησε τοῖς τὴν κακίαν νοσοῦσι καὶ παντὶ τῷ κόσμῳ, ὑπʼ αὐτῆς ὡσπερεὶ μολυνομένῳ, καὶ οὐδέν γε ἠμέληται τῷ θεῷ ἢ ἀμεληθήσεται, ποιοῦντι καθʼ ἕκαστον καιρὸν ὅπερ ἔπρεπεν αὐτὸν ποιεῖν ἐν τρεπτῷ καὶ μεταβλητῷ κόσμῳ. καὶ ὥσπερ γεωργὸς κατὰ τὰς διαφόρους τῶν τοῦ ἐνιαυτοῦ ὡρῶν διάφορα ἔργα γεωργικὰ ποιεῖ ἐπὶ τὴν γῆν καὶ τὰ ἐπʼ αὐτῆς φυόμενα, οὕτως ὁ θεὸς οἱονεὶ ἐνιαυτούς τινας, ἵνʼ οὕτως ὀνομάσω. οἰκονομεῖ ὅλους τοὺς αἰῶνας. καθʼ ἕκαστον αὐτῶν ποιῶν ὅσα ἀπαιτεῖ αὐτὸ τὸ περὶ τὰ ὅλα εὔλογον, ὑπὸ μόνου θεοῦ ὡς ἀληθείας ἔχει τρανότατα καταλαμβανόμενον καὶ ἐπιτελούμενον.

Meta tauta legei hoti oute ta horōmena anthrōpǭ dedotai, allʼ hekasta tou holou sōtērias heineka ginetai te kai apollytai kathʼ hēn proeipon amoibēn ex allēlōn eis allēla; perisson de to prosdiatribein tę̄ toutōn anatropę̄, kata dynamin hēmin proektetheisę̄. eirētai de kai eis touto; oute de ta agatha oute ta kaka en tois thnētois elattō ē pleiō genoitʼ an. lelektai kai eis to; oute tǭ theǭ kainoteras dei diorthōseōs. allʼ oudʼ hōs anthrōpos tektēnamenos ti endeōs kai atechnoteron dēmiourgēsas ho theos prosagei diorthōsin tǭ kosmǭ, kathairōn auton kataklysmǭ ē ekpyrōsei, alla tēn chysin tēs kakias kōlyōn epi pleion nemesthai, egō dʼ oimai hoti kai pantę̄ tetagmenōs autēn aphanizōn sympherontōs tǭ panti. ei de meta ton aphanismon tēs kakias logon echei to palin autēn hyphistasthai ē mē, en proēgoumenǭ logǭ ta toiauta exetasthēsetai. thelei oun dia kainoteras diorthōseōs aei ho theos ta sphalmata analambanein. ei gar kai tetaktai autǭ panta kallista kai asphalestata kata tēn tōn holōn dēmiourgian, allʼ ouden hētton iatrikēs tinos autǭ edeēse tois tēn kakian nosousi kai panti tǭ kosmǭ, hypʼ autēs hōsperei molynomenǭ, kai ouden ge ēmelētai tǭ theǭ ē amelēthēsetai, poiounti kathʼ hekaston kairon hoper eprepen auton poiein en treptǭ kai metablētǭ kosmǭ. kai hōsper geōrgos kata tas diaphorous tōn tou eniautou hōrōn diaphora erga geōrgika poiei epi tēn gēn kai ta epʼ autēs phyomena, houtōs ho theos hoionei eniautous tinas, hinʼ houtōs onomasō. oikonomei holous tous aiōnas. kathʼ hekaston autōn poiōn hosa apaitei auto to peri ta hola eulogon, hypo monou theou hōs alētheias echei tranotata katalambanomenon kai epiteloumenon.

After this he says: "Nor were visible things given to man, but each thing comes into being and perishes for the sake of the preservation of the whole, according to the exchange I spoke of before, from one to another." It is superfluous to spend more time refuting these things, as we have already set out our view as best we could. It has also been said in answer to this: "Neither goods nor evils could become fewer or more among mortals." An answer has also been given to this: "Nor does God need new correction." But God does not bring correction to the world as a man who has built something defectively and made it unskilfully, cleansing it by flood or conflagration; rather he prevents the spread of vice from ranging further, and I think he also does away with it altogether, in an orderly way, to the benefit of the whole. Whether after the abolition of vice there is reason for it to come into being again or not will be examined in the fundamental treatise. God, then, does will always to take up errors by new correction. For even if everything has been ordered by him most beautifully and most securely in the creation of the universe, he nonetheless needed some healing art for those sick with vice and for the whole world, defiled as it were by it; and nothing has been or will be neglected by God, who at each time does what it befits him to do in a world that is changeable and mutable. And as a farmer does different farm work on the land and on what grows on it according to the different seasons of the year, so God administers whole ages as if they were years, so to speak, doing in each of them whatever reason concerning the universe requires, which is most clearly understood and carried out, as the truth holds, by God alone.

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Summary: God does not repair the world like a clumsy craftsman, but like a farmer through the seasons he heals vice in each age as it requires.

  • "The fundamental treatise" (ἐν προηγουμένῳ λόγῳ) probably refers to a treatise written for its own sake rather than in controversy; the sense is uncertain.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (missing accent in the digital text): ὑφίστασθαι η μὴ → ὑφίστασθαι ἢ μὴ.

Topics: Eschatology

Cite (SBL): Origen, Cels. 4.69 (Koetschau 1:338–339; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/origen-celsum/4-58/#p-4-69).

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4.70Koetschau 1:339–340

Ἔθηκε δέ τινα λόγον ὁ Κέλσος περὶ τῶν κακῶν τοιοῦτον, ὅτι κἂν σοί τι δοκῇ κακὸν, οὔπω δῆλον εἰ κακόν ἐστιν· οὐ γὰρ οἶσθα ὅ τι ἢ σοὶ ἢ ἄλλῳ ἢ τῷ ὅλῳ συμφέρει. καὶ ἔχει μέν τι ὁ λόγος εὐλαβὲς, ὑπονοεῖ δὲ καὶ τὴν τῶν κακῶν φύσιν οὐ πάντῃ εἶναι μοχθηρὰν διὰ τὸ ἐνδέχεσθαι τῷ ὅλῳ συμφέρειν τὸ νομιζόμενον ἐν τοῖς καθʼ ἕκαστον εἶναι κακόν. πλὴν ἵνα μὴ παρακούσας τις τοῦ λεγομένου ἐπιτριβῆς εὕρῃ ἀφορμὴν. ὡς καὶ τῆς κακίας αὐτοῦ χρησίμου τυγχανούσης τῷ παντὶ ἢ δυναμένης γε εἶναι χρησίμου. λελέξεται ὅτι σῳζομένου τοῦ ἐφʼ ἡμῖν ἑκάστῳ κἂν συγχρήσηται τῇ κακίᾳ τῶν φαύλων εἰς τὴν διάταξιν τοῦ παντὸς ὁ θεὸς, κατατάσσων αὐτοὺς εἰς χρείαν τοῦ παντὸς, οὐδὲν ἧττον ψεκτός τε ἐστὶν ὁ τοιόσδε καὶ ὡς ψεκτὸς κατατέτακται εἰς χρείαν ἀπευκταίαν μὲν ἑκάστῳ χρήσιμον δὲ τῷ παντί. ὡς εἰ καὶ ἐπὶ τῶν πόλεών τις ἔλεγε τὸν τάδε τινὰ ἡμαρτηκότα καὶ διὰ τὰ ἁμαρτήματα εἴς τινα δημόσια ἔργα χρήσιμα τῷ παντὶ καταδικαζόμενον ποιεῖν μέν τι χρήσιμον τῇ ὅλῃ πόλει, αὐτὸν δὲ γεγονέναι ἐν ἀπευκταίῳ πράγματι καὶ ἐν ᾧ οὐδεὶς τῶν κἂν μέτριον νοῦν ἐχόντων ἐβούλετο γενέσθαι. καὶ ὁ ἀπόστολος δὲ τοῦ Ἰησοῦ Παῦλος, διδάσκων ἡμᾶς συνοίσειν μὲν τῇ χρείᾳ τι τοῦ παντὸς καὶ τοὺς φαυλοτάτους, παρʼ ἑαυτοὺς δὲ ἔσεσθαι ἐν τοῖς ἀπευκτοῖς, χρησιμωτάτους δʼ ἔσεσθαι καὶ τοὺς σπουδαιοτάτους τῷ παντὶ, παρʼ ἑαυτῶν αἰτίαν ἐν καλλίστῃ χώρᾳ ταχθησομένους, φησίν· „ἐν μεγάλῃ δʼ οἰκίᾳ οὐκ ἔστι μόνον σκεύη χρυσᾶ καὶ ἀργυρᾶ ἀλλὰ καὶ ξύλινα καὶ ὀστράκινα, καὶ ἃ μὲν εἰς τιμὴν ἃ δὲ εἰς ἀτιμίαν· ἐὰν οὖν τις ἐκκαθάρῃ ἑαυτὸν, ἔσται σκεῦος εἰς τιμὴν, ἡγιασμένον καὶ εὔχρηστον τῷ δεσπότῃ, εἰς πᾶν ἔργον ἀγαθὸν ἡτοιμασμένον.“ καὶ ταῦτα δʼ ἀναγκαίως ὑπολαμβάνω ἐκτεθεῖσθαι πρὸς τὸ κἂν σοί τι δοκῇ κακὸν, οὕπω δῆλον εἰ κακόν· οὐ γὰρ οἶσθα ὅ τι ἢ σοὶ ἢ ἄλλῳ συμφέρει, ἵνα μὴ ἀφορμὴν λαμβάνῃ τις ἐκ τῶν κατὰ τὸν τόπον πρὸς τὸ ἁμαρτάνειν ὡς χρήσιμος τῷ ὅλῳ διὰ τὴν ἁμαρτίαν ἐσόμενος.

Ethēke de tina logon ho Kelsos peri tōn kakōn toiouton, hoti kan soi ti dokę̄ kakon, oupō dēlon ei kakon estin; ou gar oistha ho ti ē soi ē allǭ ē tǭ holǭ sympherei. kai echei men ti ho logos eulabes, hyponoei de kai tēn tōn kakōn physin ou pantę̄ einai mochthēran dia to endechesthai tǭ holǭ sympherein to nomizomenon en tois kathʼ hekaston einai kakon. plēn hina mē parakousas tis tou legomenou epitribēs heurę̄ aphormēn. hōs kai tēs kakias autou chrēsimou tynchanousēs tǭ panti ē dynamenēs ge einai chrēsimou. lelexetai hoti sǭzomenou tou ephʼ hēmin hekastǭ kan synchrēsētai tę̄ kakią tōn phaulōn eis tēn diataxin tou pantos ho theos, katatassōn autous eis chreian tou pantos, ouden hētton psektos te estin ho toiosde kai hōs psektos katatetaktai eis chreian apeuktaian men hekastǭ chrēsimon de tǭ panti. hōs ei kai epi tōn poleōn tis elege ton tade tina hēmartēkota kai dia ta hamartēmata eis tina dēmosia erga chrēsima tǭ panti katadikazomenon poiein men ti chrēsimon tę̄ holę̄ polei, auton de gegonenai en apeuktaiǭ pragmati kai en hǭ oudeis tōn kan metrion noun echontōn ebouleto genesthai. kai ho apostolos de tou Iēsou Paulos, didaskōn hēmas synoisein men tę̄ chreią ti tou pantos kai tous phaulotatous, parʼ heautous de esesthai en tois apeuktois, chrēsimōtatous dʼ esesthai kai tous spoudaiotatous tǭ panti, parʼ heautōn aitian en kallistę̄ chōrą tachthēsomenous, phēsin; „en megalę̄ dʼ oikią ouk esti monon skeuē chrysa kai argyra alla kai xylina kai ostrakina, kai ha men eis timēn ha de eis atimian; ean oun tis ekkatharę̄ heauton, estai skeuos eis timēn, hēgiasmenon kai euchrēston tǭ despotę̄, eis pan ergon agathon hētoimasmenon.“ kai tauta dʼ anankaiōs hypolambanō ektetheisthai pros to kan soi ti dokę̄ kakon, houpō dēlon ei kakon; ou gar oistha ho ti ē soi ē allǭ sympherei, hina mē aphormēn lambanę̄ tis ek tōn kata ton topon pros to hamartanein hōs chrēsimos tǭ holǭ dia tēn hamartian esomenos.

Celsus put forward an argument about evils of this kind: "Even if something seems evil to you, it is not yet clear whether it is evil; for you do not know what benefits you or another or the whole." The argument has something cautious in it, but it also hints that the nature of evils is not wholly wicked, since what is thought to be evil in individual cases may benefit the whole. However, so that no one who misunderstands what is said may find an occasion for his own ruin, as though his vice too were useful to the universe or could be useful, it will be said that, free will being preserved for each person, even if God makes use of the wickedness of the bad for the ordering of the universe, assigning them to the service of the universe, such a person is no less blameworthy, and has been assigned, as blameworthy, to a service that is undesirable for each individual but useful to the whole. It is as if in cities someone said that a man who had committed certain sins and for his sins had been condemned to some public works useful to all does something useful to the whole city, while he himself has come into an undesirable condition, one in which no one with even moderate sense would wish to be. And Paul, the apostle of Jesus, teaching us that even the very worst will contribute something to the service of the universe but will be, through their own fault, among things undesirable, while the most earnest will be most useful to the universe, and will be placed in the finest position through their own doing, says: "In a great house there are not only vessels of gold and silver but also of wood and earthenware, some for honour and some for dishonour. If then anyone cleanses himself, he will be a vessel for honour, sanctified and useful to the master, prepared for every good work." I think it necessary to have set this out in answer to "Even if something seems evil to you, it is not yet clear whether it is evil; for you do not know what benefits you or another," so that no one takes occasion from the topic to sin, as though he will be useful to the whole through his sin.

2 Tim 2:20–21 (quotation, high confidence)

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Summary: God may use the wicked for the good of the whole, as a city uses condemned criminals for public works, but they remain blameworthy, as Paul's vessels of honor and dishonor show.

  • The quotation is 2 Tim 2:20–21.

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  • Digital text corrected (missing breathing and accent in the digital text): τῇ ολῃ πόλει → τῇ ὅλῃ πόλει.

Topics: Ethics

Cite (SBL): Origen, Cels. 4.70 (Koetschau 1:339–340; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/origen-celsum/4-58/#p-4-70).

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4.71Koetschau 1:340–341

Ἐπεὶ δὲ μετὰ ταῦτα μὴ νοήσας τὰς περὶ θεοῦ ὡς ἀνθρωποπαθοῦς ἐν ταῖς γραφαῖς λέξεις διασύρει ὁ Κέλσος ἐν αἷς ὀργῆς λέγονται κατὰ τῶν ἀσεβῶν φωναὶ καὶ ἀπειλαὶ κατὰ τῶν ἡμαρτηκότων, λεκτέον ὅτι, ὥσπερ ἡμεῖς τοῖς κομιδῇ νηπίοις διαλεγόμενοι οὐ τοῦ ἑαυτῶν ἐν τῷ λέγειν στοχαζόμεθα δυνατοῦ, ἀλλʼ ἁρμοζόμενοι πρὸς τὸ ἀσθενὲς τῶν ὑποκειμένων φαμὲν ταῦτα ἀλλὰ καὶ ποιοῦμεν ἃ φαίνεται ἡμῖν χρήσιμα εἰς τὴν τῶν παίδων ὡς παίδων ἐπιστροφὴν καὶ διόρθωσιν· οὕτως ἔοικεν ὁ τοῦ θεοῦ λόγος ᾠκονομηκέναι τὰ ἀναγεγραμμένα, μετρήσας τῇ δυνάμει τῶν ἀκουόντων καὶ τῷ πρὸς αὐτοὺς χρησίμῳ τὸ ἐν τῇ ἀπαγγελίᾳ πρέπον, καὶ καθόλου γε περὶ τοῦ τοιούτου τρόπου τῆς ἀπαγγελίας τῶν περὶ θεοῦ ἐν τῷ Δευτερονομίῳ οὕτω λέλεκται· „ἐτροποφόρησέ σε κύριος ὁ θεός σου, ὡς εἴ τις τροποφορήσαι ἄνθρωπος τὸν υἱὸν αὐτοῦ.“ οἱονεὶ ἀνθρώπου τρόπους πρὸς τὸ ἀνθρώποις λυσιτελὲς φορῶν ὁ λόγος τοιαῦτα λέγει· οὐ γὰρ ἐδέοντο οἱ πολλοὶ προσωποποιοῦντος θεοῦ ἁρμοζόντως ἑαυτῷ τὰ πρὸς τοὺς τοιούσδε λεχθησόμενα. ἀλλʼ ᾧ μέλει τῆς τῶν θείων γραμμάτων σαφηνείας εὑρήσει ἀπʼ αὐτῶν τὰ λεγόμενα πνευματικὰ τοῖς ὀνομαζομένοις πνευματικοῖς. συγκρίνων τὸ βούλημα τῶν τε πρὸς τοὺς ἀσθενετέρους λεγομένων καὶ τῶν τοῖς ἐντρεχεστέροις ἀπαγγελλομένων, πολλάκις ἐν τῇ αὐτῇ λέξει ἑκατέρων τῷ εἰδότι ἀκούειν αὐτῆς κειμένων.

Epei de meta tauta mē noēsas tas peri theou hōs anthrōpopathous en tais graphais lexeis diasyrei ho Kelsos en hais orgēs legontai kata tōn asebōn phōnai kai apeilai kata tōn hēmartēkotōn, lekteon hoti, hōsper hēmeis tois komidę̄ nēpiois dialegomenoi ou tou heautōn en tǭ legein stochazometha dynatou, allʼ harmozomenoi pros to asthenes tōn hypokeimenōn phamen tauta alla kai poioumen ha phainetai hēmin chrēsima eis tēn tōn paidōn hōs paidōn epistrophēn kai diorthōsin; houtōs eoiken ho tou theou logos ǭkonomēkenai ta anagegrammena, metrēsas tę̄ dynamei tōn akouontōn kai tǭ pros autous chrēsimǭ to en tę̄ apangelią prepon, kai katholou ge peri tou toioutou tropou tēs apangelias tōn peri theou en tǭ Deuteronomiǭ houtō lelektai; „etropophorēse se kyrios ho theos sou, hōs ei tis tropophorēsai anthrōpos ton huion autou.“ hoionei anthrōpou tropous pros to anthrōpois lysiteles phorōn ho logos toiauta legei; ou gar edeonto hoi polloi prosōpopoiountos theou harmozontōs heautǭ ta pros tous toiousde lechthēsomena. allʼ hǭ melei tēs tōn theiōn grammatōn saphēneias heurēsei apʼ autōn ta legomena pneumatika tois onomazomenois pneumatikois. synkrinōn to boulēma tōn te pros tous astheneterous legomenōn kai tōn tois entrechesterois apangellomenōn, pollakis en tę̄ autę̄ lexei hekaterōn tǭ eidoti akouein autēs keimenōn.

Since after this Celsus, not understanding the passages in the Scriptures about God as though he had human passions, ridicules those in which words of anger are spoken against the ungodly and threats against those who have sinned, it must be said that, just as we, when talking with very small children, do not aim at the full measure of our own ability in speaking, but adapting ourselves to the weakness of those in our charge say these things and also do what seems useful to us for the conversion and correction of children as children, so the Word of God seems to have arranged what is written, measuring what is fitting in the telling by the capacity of the hearers and by their benefit. And in general, about this manner of telling things about God, it is said in Deuteronomy: "The Lord your God bore with your ways, as a man would bear with the ways of his son." It is as though the Word, taking on human ways for the benefit of human beings, says such things; for the many did not need God, speaking in his own person, to say in a manner befitting himself what was to be said to such people. But one who cares for the clear understanding of the divine writings will find in them the things called spiritual for those who are named spiritual, comparing the intent of what is said to the weaker and of what is proclaimed to the more practised, both often lying in the same passage for one who knows how to hear it.

Textual problem in this passage: see the notes.

Deut 1:31 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Cor 2:13–15 (allusion, medium confidence)

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Summary: As we speak simply to small children, God's Word in Scripture speaks of God in human terms for the weak, while the spiritual find a deeper sense in the same words.

  • The quotation is Deut 1:31 (LXX, ἐτροποφόρησε, "bore with your ways"; some manuscripts read ἐτροφοφόρησε, "carried/nursed"). "The Word of God" here means Scripture as God's speech, closely identified by Origen with the Logos.

Topics: Scripture and canon

Cite (SBL): Origen, Cels. 4.71 (Koetschau 1:340–341; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/origen-celsum/4-58/#p-4-71).

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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Greek text of Koetschau, GCS 2–3; made independently of existing English translations.

4.72Koetschau 1:341–342

Ὀργὴν μὲν οὖν ὀνομάζομεν θεοῦ, οὐ πάθος δʼ αὐτοῦ αὐτὴν εἶναί φαμεν ἀλλά τι παραλαμβανόμενον εἰς τὴν διὰ σκυθρωποτέρων ἀγωγῶν παίδευσιν τοῖς τὰ τοσάδε καὶ τοιάδε ἡμαρτηκόσιν. ὅτι γὰρ παιδεύει ἡ καλουμένη ὀργὴ τοῦ θεοῦ καὶ ὁ ὀνομαζόμενος θυμὸς αὐτοῦ, καὶ τοῦτʼ ἀρέσκει τῷ λόγῳ, δῆλον ἐκ τοῦ ἐν μὲν ἕκτῳ ψαλμῷ εἰρῆσθαι· „κύριε, μὴ τῷ θυμῷ σου ἐλέγξῃς με, μηδὲ τῇ ὀργῇ σου παιδεύσῃς με“ ἐν δὲ τῷ Ἱερεμίᾳ· „παίδευσον ἡμᾶς, κύριε, πλὴν ἐν κρίσει καὶ μὴ ἐν θυμῷ, ἵνα μὴ ὀλίγους ἡμᾶς ποιήσῃς.“ ἀναγνοὺς δέ τις ἐν μὲν τῇ δευτέρᾳ τῶν βασιλειῶν „ὀργὴν“ θεοῦ, ἀναπείθουσαν τὸν Δαυὶδ ἀριθμῆσαι τὸν λαὸν, ἐν δὲ τῇ πρώτῃ τῶν Παραλειπομένων τὸν „διάβολον, “ καὶ συνεξετάζων ἀλλήλοις τὰ ῥητὰ ὄψεται ἐπὶ τίνος τάσσεται ἡ ὀργή· ἧς καὶ „τέκνα“ πάντας ἀνθρώπους γεγονέναι φησὶν ὁ Παῦλος λέγων· „ἤμεθα τέκνα φύσει ὀργῆς ὡς καὶ οἱ λοιποί.“ ὅτι δʼ οὐ πάθος τοῦ θεοῦ ἐστιν ἡ ὀργὴ, ἀλλʼ ἕκαστος αὑτῷ ταύτην διʼ ὧν ἁμαρτάνει κατασκευάζει, δηλώσει ὁ Παῦλος ἐν τῷ· „ἢ τοῦ πλούτου τῆς χρηστότητος αὐτοῦ καὶ τῆς ἀνοχῆς καὶ τῆς μακροθυμίας καταφρονεῖς, ἀγνοῶν ὅτι τὸ χρηστὸν τοῦ θεοῦ εἰς μετάνοιάν σε ἄγει; κατὰ δὲ τὴν σκληρότητά σου καὶ ἀμετανόητον καρδίαν θησαυρίζεις σεαυτῷ ὀργὴν ἐν ἡμέρᾳ ὀργῆς καὶ ἀποκαλύψεως δικαιοκρισίας τοῦ θεοῦ.“ πῶς οὖν δύναται ἕκαστος „θησαυρίζειν ἑαυτῷ ὀργὴν ἐν ἡμέρᾳ ὀργῆς, “ „ὀργῆς“ νοουμένης τοῦ πάθους; πῶς δὲ ὀργῆς πάθος παιδεύειν δύναται; ἀλλὰ καὶ οὐκ ἂν ὁ διδάσκων λόγος ἡμᾶς μηδαμῶς ὀργίζεσθαι καὶ φάσκων ἐν τριακοστῷ ἕκτῳ ψαλμῷ· „παῦσαι ἀπὸ ὀργῆς καὶ ἐγκατάλιπε θυμὸν, “ λέγων δὲ καὶ ἐν τῷ Παύλῳ· „ἀπόθεσθε καὶ ὑμεῖς τὰ πάντα, ὀργὴν θυμὸν κακίαν βλασφημίαν αἰσχρολογίαν, “ αὐτῷ τῷ θεῷ περιῆπτεν τὸ πάθος, οὗ ἡμᾶς πάντῃ ἀπαλλάξαι βούλεται. δῆλον δὲ τὸ τροπολογεῖσθαι τὰ περὶ ὀργῆς θεοῦ ἐκ τοῦ καὶ ὕπνον αὐτοῦ ἀναγεγράφθαι, ἀφʼ οὗ ὥσπερ διϋπνίζων αὐτὸν ὁ προφήτης λέγει· „ἀνάστηθι, ἱνα τί ὑπνοῖς, κύριε“; καὶ πάλιν φησί· „καὶ ἐξηγέρθη ὡς ὁ ὑπνῶν κύριος, ὡς δυνατὸς κεκραιπαληκὼς ἐξ οἴνου.“ εἴπερ οὖν ὁ ὕπνος ἄλλο τι σημαίνει καὶ οὐχ ὅπερ ἡ πρόχειρος ἐκδοχὴ τῆς λέξεως δηλοῖ, διὰ τί οὐχὶ καὶ ἡ ὀργὴ παραπλησίως νοηθήσεται; καὶ αἱ ἀπειλαὶ δὲ ἀπαγγελίαι εἰσὶ περὶ τῶν ἀπαντησομένων τοῖς φαύλοις, ὡς εἰ ἀπειλάς τις ἔφασκεν εἶναι καὶ τοὺς τοῦ ἰατροῦ λόγους, λέγοντος τοῖς κάμνουσι· τεμῶ σε καὶ καυστῆρας προσάξω σοι, ἐὰν μὴ πεισθῇς μου τοῖς νόμοις καὶ οὑτωσὶ μὲν διαιτήσῃ οὑτωσὶ δὲ σαυτὸν ἀγάγῃς. οὐκ ἀνθρώπινα οὖν πάθη προσάπτομεν τῷ θεῷ οὐδὲ δυσσεβεῖς δόξας ἔχομεν περὶ αὐτοῦ οὐδὲ πλανώμενοι τὰς περὶ τοῦτον διηγήσεις ἀπʼ αὐτῶν τῶν γραμμάτων συνεξεταζομένων ἀλλήλοις παρίσταμεν· οὐδὲ τὸ προκείμενον τοῖς ἐν ἡμῖν συνετῶς πρεσβεύουσι τοῦ λόγου ἄλλο ἐστὶν ἢ εὐηθείας μὲν ἀπαλλάξαι κατὰ τὸ δυνατὸν τοὺς ἀκούοντας ποιῆσαι δʼ αὐτοὺς φρονίμους.

Orgēn men oun onomazomen theou, ou pathos dʼ autou autēn einai phamen alla ti paralambanomenon eis tēn dia skythrōpoterōn agōgōn paideusin tois ta tosade kai toiade hēmartēkosin. hoti gar paideuei hē kaloumenē orgē tou theou kai ho onomazomenos thymos autou, kai toutʼ areskei tǭ logǭ, dēlon ek tou en men hektǭ psalmǭ eirēsthai; „kyrie, mē tǭ thymǭ sou elenxę̄s me, mēde tę̄ orgę̄ sou paideusę̄s me“ en de tǭ Hieremią; „paideuson hēmas, kyrie, plēn en krisei kai mē en thymǭ, hina mē oligous hēmas poiēsę̄s.“ anagnous de tis en men tę̄ deuterą tōn basileiōn „orgēn“ theou, anapeithousan ton Dauid arithmēsai ton laon, en de tę̄ prōtę̄ tōn Paraleipomenōn ton „diabolon, “ kai synexetazōn allēlois ta rhēta opsetai epi tinos tassetai hē orgē; hēs kai „tekna“ pantas anthrōpous gegonenai phēsin ho Paulos legōn; „ēmetha tekna physei orgēs hōs kai hoi loipoi.“ hoti dʼ ou pathos tou theou estin hē orgē, allʼ hekastos hautǭ tautēn diʼ hōn hamartanei kataskeuazei, dēlōsei ho Paulos en tǭ; „ē tou ploutou tēs chrēstotētos autou kai tēs anochēs kai tēs makrothymias kataphroneis, agnoōn hoti to chrēston tou theou eis metanoian se agei? kata de tēn sklērotēta sou kai ametanoēton kardian thēsaurizeis seautǭ orgēn en hēmerą orgēs kai apokalypseōs dikaiokrisias tou theou.“ pōs oun dynatai hekastos „thēsaurizein heautǭ orgēn en hēmerą orgēs, “ „orgēs“ nooumenēs tou pathous? pōs de orgēs pathos paideuein dynatai? alla kai ouk an ho didaskōn logos hēmas mēdamōs orgizesthai kai phaskōn en triakostǭ hektǭ psalmǭ; „pausai apo orgēs kai enkatalipe thymon, “ legōn de kai en tǭ Paulǭ; „apothesthe kai hymeis ta panta, orgēn thymon kakian blasphēmian aischrologian, “ autǭ tǭ theǭ periēpten to pathos, hou hēmas pantę̄ apallaxai bouletai. dēlon de to tropologeisthai ta peri orgēs theou ek tou kai hypnon autou anagegraphthai, aphʼ hou hōsper diÿpnizōn auton ho prophētēs legei; „anastēthi, hina ti hypnois, kyrie“? kai palin phēsi; „kai exēgerthē hōs ho hypnōn kyrios, hōs dynatos kekraipalēkōs ex oinou.“ eiper oun ho hypnos allo ti sēmainei kai ouch hoper hē procheiros ekdochē tēs lexeōs dēloi, dia ti ouchi kai hē orgē paraplēsiōs noēthēsetai? kai hai apeilai de apangeliai eisi peri tōn apantēsomenōn tois phaulois, hōs ei apeilas tis ephasken einai kai tous tou iatrou logous, legontos tois kamnousi; temō se kai kaustēras prosaxō soi, ean mē peisthę̄s mou tois nomois kai houtōsi men diaitēsę̄ houtōsi de sauton agagę̄s. ouk anthrōpina oun pathē prosaptomen tǭ theǭ oude dyssebeis doxas echomen peri autou oude planōmenoi tas peri touton diēgēseis apʼ autōn tōn grammatōn synexetazomenōn allēlois paristamen; oude to prokeimenon tois en hēmin synetōs presbeuousi tou logou allo estin ē euētheias men apallaxai kata to dynaton tous akouontas poiēsai dʼ autous phronimous.

We do speak of God's wrath, but we say that it is not a passion of his, but something he uses to educate, by sterner ways, those who have committed so many and such sins. That what is called God's wrath and what is named his anger educates, and that this is the view of Scripture, is clear from what is said in the sixth psalm: "Lord, do not rebuke me in your anger, nor discipline me in your wrath," and in Jeremiah: "Discipline us, Lord, but with judgment and not in anger, lest you make us few." And whoever reads in the second book of Kingdoms of the "wrath" of God that moved David to number the people, and in the first book of Chronicles of "the devil," and compares the texts with one another, will see to whom the wrath is assigned: the wrath of which Paul says all human beings have become "children," saying: "We were by nature children of wrath, like the rest." That wrath is not a passion of God, but each person prepares it for himself by his sins, Paul will show in the words: "Or do you despise the riches of his kindness and forbearance and patience, not knowing that God's kindness leads you to repentance? But by your hardness and impenitent heart you are storing up wrath for yourself on the day of wrath and of the revelation of God's righteous judgment." How then can each person "store up wrath for himself on the day of wrath," if "wrath" is understood as a passion? And how can a passion of wrath educate? Moreover, the Word that teaches us never to be angry, and says in the thirty-sixth psalm, "Cease from wrath and forsake anger," and in Paul, "Put away all these things yourselves: wrath, anger, malice, slander, foul talk," would not attach to God himself the passion from which it wishes to free us altogether. It is clear that what is said about God's wrath is figurative from the fact that sleep too is recorded of him, from which the prophet, as though waking him, says: "Arise; why do you sleep, Lord?" And again he says: "And the Lord awoke as one asleep, like a mighty man who has been drunk with wine." If, then, sleep means something else, and not what the obvious understanding of the word shows, why should not wrath also be understood in a similar way? And threats are announcements of what will happen to the wicked, as if someone called threats the words of a doctor telling his patients: "I will cut you and apply cauteries to you, unless you obey my rules and follow this diet and conduct yourself in this way." We therefore do not attach human passions to God, nor do we hold impious opinions about him, nor do we go astray when we set out the accounts about him from the writings themselves compared with one another. Nor is the purpose of those among us who wisely represent the Word anything other than to free the hearers from simple-mindedness as far as possible and to make them wise.

Ps 6:1 (6:2 LXX) (quotation, high confidence) · Jer 10:24 (quotation, high confidence) · 2 Sam 24:1 (allusion, high confidence) · 1 Chr 21:1 (allusion, high confidence) · Eph 2:3 (quotation, high confidence) · Rom 2:4–5 (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 37:8 (36:8 LXX) (quotation, high confidence) · Col 3:8 (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 44:23 (43:24 LXX) (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 78:65 (77:65 LXX) (quotation, high confidence)

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Summary: God's 'wrath' is not a passion but a figure for his stern discipline of sinners, as comparison of Scripture shows, just as his 'sleep' is not literal.

  • The quotations are Ps 6:1 (6:2 LXX), Jer 10:24, 2 Sam 24:1 with 1 Chr 21:1, Eph 2:3, Rom 2:4–5, Ps 37:8 (36:8 LXX), Col 3:8, Ps 44:23 (43:24 LXX), and Ps 78:65 (77:65 LXX). "The second book of Kingdoms" is 2 Samuel.

Topics: Scripture and canon

Cite (SBL): Origen, Cels. 4.72 (Koetschau 1:341–342; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/origen-celsum/4-58/#p-4-72).

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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Greek text of Koetschau, GCS 2–3; made independently of existing English translations.

4.73Koetschau 1:342–343

Ἀκολούθως δὲ τῷ μὴ νενοηκέναι τὰ περὶ ὀργῆς ἀναγεγραμμένα θεοῦ φησιν· ἢ γὰρ οὐ καταγέλαστον· εἰ ἄνθρωπος μὲν ὀργισθεὶς Ἰουδαίοις πάντας αὐτοὺς ἡβηδὸν ἀπώλεσεν καὶ ἐπυρπόλησεν, οὕτως οὐδὲν ἦσαν· θεὸς δʼ ὁ μέγιστος. ὥς φασιν, ὀργιζόμενος καὶ θυμούμενος καὶ ἀπειλῶν πέμπει τὸν υἱὸν αὐτοῦ, καὶ τοιαῦτα πάσχει; εἴπερ οὖν Ἰουδαῖοι μετὰ τὸ διαθεῖναι τὸν Ἰησοῦν ἅπερ ἐτόλμησαν κατʼ αὐτοῦ ἡβηδὸν ἀπώλοντο καὶ ἐπυρπολήθησαν, οὐκ ἀπʼ ἄλλης ὀργῆς ἢ ἧς ἑαυτοῖς ἐθησαύρισαν ταῦτα πεπόνθασι. τῆς τοῦ θεοῦ κατʼ αὐτῶν κρίσεως θεοῦ καταστήματι γεγενημένης. ὀνομαζομένης ὀργῆς πατρίῳ τινὶ Ἑβραίων ἔθει. καὶ πάσχει γε ὁ υἱὸς τοῦ μεγίστου θεοῦ βουληθεὶς ὑπὲρ τῆς τῶν ἀνθρώπων σωτηρίας, ὡς ἐν τοῖς ἀνωτέρω κατὰ τὸ δυνατὸν ἡμῖν λέλεκται. μετὰ ταῦτά φησιν· ἀλλʼ ὅπως μὴ περὶ μόνων Ἰουδαίων (οὐ γὰρ τοῦτο λέγω) ἀλλὰ περὶ τῆς ὅλης φύσεως, ὅπερ ἐπηγγειλάμην. ὁ λόγος ᾖ. σαφέστερον ἐμφανιῶ τὰ προειρημένα. τίς δʼ οὐκ ἂν τούτοις ἐντυγχάνων μέτριος καὶ αἰσθανόμενος τῆς ἀνθρωπίνης ἀσθενείας οὐκ ἂν περισταίη τὸ ἐπαχθὲς τοῦ περὶ ὅλης τῆς φύσεως ἐπαγγειλαμένου ἀποδοῦναι λόγον καὶ ἀλαζονευσαμένου ὁμοίως ᾗ ἐτόλμησεν ἐπιγράψαι ἐπιγραφῇ τοῦ βιβλίου; ἴδωμεν δὴ τίνα ἐστὶν ἃ περὶ ὅλης τῆς φύσεως ἐπαγγέλλεται λέξειν καὶ τίνα ἐμφανίσειν.

Akolouthōs de tǭ mē nenoēkenai ta peri orgēs anagegrammena theou phēsin; ē gar ou katagelaston; ei anthrōpos men orgistheis Ioudaiois pantas autous hēbēdon apōlesen kai epyrpolēsen, houtōs ouden ēsan; theos dʼ ho megistos. hōs phasin, orgizomenos kai thymoumenos kai apeilōn pempei ton huion autou, kai toiauta paschei? eiper oun Ioudaioi meta to diatheinai ton Iēsoun haper etolmēsan katʼ autou hēbēdon apōlonto kai epyrpolēthēsan, ouk apʼ allēs orgēs ē hēs heautois ethēsaurisan tauta peponthasi. tēs tou theou katʼ autōn kriseōs theou katastēmati gegenēmenēs. onomazomenēs orgēs patriǭ tini Hebraiōn ethei. kai paschei ge ho huios tou megistou theou boulētheis hyper tēs tōn anthrōpōn sōtērias, hōs en tois anōterō kata to dynaton hēmin lelektai. meta tauta phēsin; allʼ hopōs mē peri monōn Ioudaiōn (ou gar touto legō) alla peri tēs holēs physeōs, hoper epēngeilamēn. ho logos ę̄. saphesteron emphaniō ta proeirēmena. tis dʼ ouk an toutois entynchanōn metrios kai aisthanomenos tēs anthrōpinēs astheneias ouk an peristaiē to epachthes tou peri holēs tēs physeōs epangeilamenou apodounai logon kai alazoneusamenou homoiōs hę̄ etolmēsen epigrapsai epigraphę̄ tou bibliou? idōmen dē tina estin ha peri holēs tēs physeōs epangelletai lexein kai tina emphanisein.

In keeping with his failure to understand what is written about God's wrath, he says: "Is it not ridiculous that a man, angered at the Jews, destroyed them all, young and old, and burned their city, so that they were nothing; while God the greatest, as they say, being angry and wrathful and threatening, sends his Son, and he suffers such things?" If, then, the Jews, after doing to Jesus what they dared against him, perished young and old and were burned, they suffered these things from no other wrath than that which they stored up for themselves, God's judgment against them having come about by God's decree, which is named wrath by a certain ancestral custom of the Hebrews. And the Son of the greatest God does suffer, by his own will, for the salvation of human beings, as has been said above as well as we could. After this he says: "But so that the argument may not be about the Jews alone (for that is not what I am saying) but about the whole of nature, as I promised, I will make plainer what I said before." Who, reading this, if he were modest and aware of human weakness, would not shrink from the offensiveness of one who promised to give an account of the whole of nature and boasted in the same way as in the title he dared to give his book? Let us see, then, what it is he promises to say about the whole of nature and what he will make plain.

Rom 2:5 (allusion, medium confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: Celsus mocks the idea of an angry God sending his Son to suffer; Origen answers that the Jews' ruin came from the wrath they stored up for themselves, and that the Son suffered willingly for our salvation.

  • "A man" is presumably Titus, who destroyed Jerusalem in AD 70. The phrase θεοῦ καταστήματι ("by God's decree") is unusual; the sense is uncertain. Celsus's book was titled The True Word (Ἀληθὴς λόγος).

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (stray quotation mark in the digital text): Ἑβραίων ἔθει„ → Ἑβραίων ἔθει..

Topics: Christology

Cite (SBL): Origen, Cels. 4.73 (Koetschau 1:342–343; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/origen-celsum/4-58/#p-4-73).

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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Greek text of Koetschau, GCS 2–3; made independently of existing English translations.