Against Celsus 4.14
Summary: Celsus argues that God cannot descend without changing for the worse; Origen replies that God remains unchangeable in his being while descending by providence, unlike the Epicurean and Stoic gods, which are bodily and changeable.
Greek text · Koetschau 1:284
Ἴδωμεν δὲ καὶ ἅπερ ἑξῆς φησιν ὁ Κέλσος μετὰ μεγάλης ἀπαγγελίας τοῦτον τὸν τρόπον· ἔτι δὲ, φησὶν, ἄνωθεν πλείοσιν ἀποδείξεσιν ἀναλάβωμεν τὸν λόγον, λέγω δὲ οὐδὲν καινὸν ἀλλὰ πάλαι δεδογμένα, ὁ θεὸς ἀγαθός ἐστι καὶ καλὸς καὶ εὐδαίμων καὶ ἐν τῷ καλλίστῳ καὶ ἀρίστῳ· εἰ δὴ ἐς ἀνθρώπους κάτεισι, μεταβολῆς αὐτῷ δεῖ, μεταβολῆς δὲ ἐξ ἀγαθοῦ εἰς κακὸν καὶ ἐκ καλοῦ εἰς αἰσχρὸν καὶ ἐξ εὐδαιμονίας εἰς κακοδαιμονίαν καὶ ἐκ τοῦ ἀρίστου εἰς τὸ πονηρότατον, τίς ἂν οὖν ἕλοιτο τοιαύτην μεταβολήν; καὶ μὲν δὴ τῷ θνητῷ μὲν ἀλλάττεσθαι καὶ μεταπλάττεσθαι φύσις, τῷ δʼ ἀθανάτῳ κατὰ τὰ αὐτὰ καὶ ὡσαύτως ἔχειν, οὐκ ἂν οὖν οὐδὲ ταύτην τὴν μεταβολὴν θεὸς δέχοιτο, δοκεῖ δή μοι πρὸς ταῦτα λέγεσθαι τὰ δέοντα διηγησαμένῳ τὴν ἐν ταῖς γραφαῖς λεγομένην κατάβασιν θεοῦ πρὸς τὰ ἀνθρώπινα· εἰς ἣν οὐ μεταβολῆς αὐτῷ δεῖ, ὡς Κέλσος οἴεται ἡμᾶς λέγειν, οὔτε τροπῆς τῆς ἐξ ἀγαθοῦ εἰς κακὸν ἢ ἐκ καλοῦ εἰς αἰσχρὸν ἢ ἐξ εὐδαιμονίας εἰς κακοδαιμονίαν ἢ ἐκ τοῦ ἀρίστου εἰς τὸ πονηρότατον, μένων γὰρ τῇ οὐσίᾳ ἄτρεπτος συγκαταβαίνει τῇ προνοίᾳ καὶ τῇ οἰκονομίᾳ τοῖς ἀνθρωπίνοις πράγμασιν, ἡμεῖς μὲν οὖν καὶ τὰ θεῖα γράμματα παρίσταμεν ἄτρεπτον λέγοντα τὸν θεὸν ἔν τε τῷ „σὺ δὲ ὁ αὐτὸς εἶ“ καὶ ἐν τῷ „οὐκ ἠλλοίωμαι“· οἱ δὲ τοῦ Ἐπικούρου θεοὶ, σύνθετοι ἐξ ἀτόμων τυγχάνοντες καὶ τὸ ὅσον ἐπὶ τῇ συστάσει ἀναλυτοὶ, πραγματεύονται τὰς φθοροποιοὺς ἀτόμους ἀποσείεσθαι· ἀλλὰ καὶ ὁ τῶν Στωϊκῶν θεὸς, ἅτε σῶμα τυγχάνων, ὁτὲ μὲν ἡγεμονικὸν ἔχει τὴν ὅλην οὐσίαν, ὅταν ἡ ἐκπύρωσις ᾖ· ὁτὲ δὲ ἐπὶ μέρους γίνεται αὐτῆς, ὅταν ᾖ διακόσμησις. οὐδὲ γὰρ δεδύνηνται οὗτοι τρανῶσαι τὴν φυσικὴν τοῦ θεοῦ ἔννοιαν ὡς πάντῃ ἀφθάρτου καὶ ἁπλοῦ καὶ ἀσυνθέτου καὶ ἀδιαιρέτου.
English · Claude translation
Let us see also what Celsus says next, with great pomp, in this way: “Yet further,” he says, “let us take up the argument from the beginning with more proofs. I say nothing new, but what has long been held. God is good and beautiful and happy, and exists in what is most beautiful and best. If then he comes down to men, he needs a change, and a change from good to bad, from beautiful to shameful, from happiness to unhappiness, and from what is best to what is most wicked. Who then would choose such a change? And indeed it is the nature of the mortal to be altered and remolded, but of the immortal to remain the same and unchanged. So God would not accept such a change either.” It seems to me that what is needed in reply to this is said by one who has explained the descent of God to human affairs spoken of in the Scriptures, for which he does not need a change, as Celsus thinks we say, nor an alteration from good to bad, or from beautiful to shameful, or from happiness to unhappiness, or from what is best to what is most wicked. For, remaining unchangeable in his being, he comes down by his providence and dispensation to human affairs. We, then, present the divine writings as saying that God is unchangeable, both in “But you are the same” and in “I have not changed”; whereas the gods of Epicurus, being composed of atoms and, as far as their structure goes, dissoluble, busy themselves shaking off the atoms that would destroy them; and the god of the Stoics, being a body, at one time has his whole substance as the ruling part, when the conflagration occurs, and at another comes to be in a part of it, when the world is ordered. For these men have not been able to make clear the natural notion of God as wholly incorruptible, simple, uncompounded, and indivisible.
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Translation notes
- The quotations are Ps 102:27 (101:28 LXX) and Mal 3:6. Celsus's argument echoes Plato, Republic 380d–381c.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (stray comma in the digital text; wrong accent in the digital text): τίς ἄν οὖν → τίς ἂν οὖν; ἀποσείεσθαι,· → ἀποσείεσθαι·.
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Origen, Cels. 4.14 (trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/origen-celsum/4/14/).
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Origen, Cels. 4.14 (trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/origen-celsum/4/14/).
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