Against Celsus 4.68

Summary: Origen notes that the Stoics extend the doctrine of endlessly repeating world-cycles even to the gods, and mocks their attempt to say each cycle has only 'indistinguishable' copies.

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Greek text · Koetschau 1:338

Ὁ μὲν οὖν Κέλσος μόνην τὴν θνητῶν περίοδον κατὰ τὰς τεταγμένας ἀνακυκλήσεις ἐξ ἀνάγκης φησὶν ἀεὶ γεγονέναι καὶ εἶναι καὶ ἔσεσθαι· τῶν δὲ Στωϊκῶν οἱ πλείους οὐ μόνον τὴν τῶν θνητῶν περίοδον τοιαύτην εἶναί φασιν ἀλλὰ καὶ τὴν τῶν ἀθανάτων καὶ τῶν κατʼ αὐτοὺς θεῶν. μετὰ γὰρ τὴν τοῦ παντὸς ἐκπύρωσιν, ἀπειράκις γενομένην καὶ ἀπειράκις ἐσομένην, ἡ αὐτὴ τάξις ἀπʼ ἀρχῆς μέχρι τέλους πάντων γέγονέ τε καὶ ἔσται. πειρώμενοι μέντοι θεραπεύειν πως τὰς ἀπεμφάσεις οἱ ἀπὸ τῆς Στοᾶς οὐκ οἶδʼ ὅπως ἀπαραλλάκτους φασὶν ἔσεσθαι κατὰ περίοδον τοῖς ἀπὸ τῶν προτέρων περιόδων πάντας, ἵνα μὴ Σωκράτης πάλιν γένηται, ἀλλʼ ἀπαράλλακτός τις τῷ Σωκράτει. γαμήσων ἀπαράλλακτον τῇ Ξανθίππῃ καὶ κατηγορηθησόμενος ὑπὸ ἀπαραλλάκτων Ἀνύτῳ καὶ Μελήτῳ. οὐκ οἶδα δὲ πῶς ὁ μὲν κόσμος ἀεὶ ὁ αὐτός ἐστι καὶ οὐκ ἀπαράλλακτος ἕτερος ἑτέρῳ, τὰ δʼ ἐν αὐτῷ οὐ τὰ αὐτὰ ἀλλὰ ἀπαράλλακτα. ἀλλὰ γὰρ ὁ προηγούμενος καὶ πρὸς τὰς Κέλσου λέξεις καὶ πρὸς τὰς ἀπὸ τῆς Στοᾶς λόγος εὐκαιρότερον ἐν ἄλλοις ἐξετασθήσεται, ἐπεὶ μὴ κατὰ τὸν παρόντα καιρὸν καὶ τὴν ἐνεστηκυῖαν πρόθεσιν ἁρμόζει ἐν τούτοις πλεονάσαι.

English · Claude translation

Celsus, then, says that only the cycle of mortal things must necessarily, according to the appointed revolutions, always have happened, be happening, and be going to happen; but most of the Stoics say that not only the cycle of mortal things is such, but also that of immortal things and of the gods they believe in. For after the conflagration of the universe, which has happened infinitely many times and will happen infinitely many times, the same order of all things from beginning to end has come about and will come about. Trying, however, to remedy the absurdities somehow, the Stoics say, I do not know how, that in each cycle all will be indistinguishable from those of the earlier cycles, so that Socrates does not come into being again, but someone indistinguishable from Socrates, who will marry a woman indistinguishable from Xanthippe and be accused by men indistinguishable from Anytus and Meletus. But I do not know how the world is always the same and not one world indistinguishable from another, while the things in it are not the same but indistinguishable. But the fundamental argument against both Celsus's words and those of the Stoics will be examined more suitably elsewhere, since it does not fit the present occasion and the purpose at hand to enlarge on these matters here.

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Koetschau 1:338 · Paul Koetschau, ed., Origenes Werke 1–2: Gegen Celsus, GCS 2–3 (Leipzig: Hinrichs, 1899) · Greek text: P. Koetschau, Origenes Werke 1–2 (GCS 2–3, 1899), digitized by the Perseus Digital Library and published by the First Thousand Years of Greek project (Open Greek and Latin), CC BY-SA 4.0
Text
As printed in Koetschau, GCS 2–3. Manuscript variants and the editor's apparatus are not reproduced; no textual problem is noted in this passage.
Translation
Claude translation (claude-opus-5-5), 2026-09-27 · Translated by Claude from the Greek text of Koetschau, GCS 2–3; made independently of existing English translations.
Compare
Ante-Nicene Fathers, vol. 4 (1885) (an older public-domain English translation, whole volume at CCEL; checked against ours only after ours was made)

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  • Digital text corrected (missing breathing and accent in the digital text): Ὁ μὲν ουν → Ὁ μὲν οὖν.

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Origen, Cels. 4.68 (trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/origen-celsum/4/68/).

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Origen, Cels. 4.68 (trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/origen-celsum/4/68/).

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