Against Celsus 5.34

Summary: Celsus cites Herodotus to show that every nation clings to its own customs, however strange, and endorses Pindar's line that 'custom is king of all.'

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Greek text · Koetschau 2:36–38

Ἵνα δὲ μὴ παρέλθωμεν τὰ ἐν τοῖς μεταξὺ λελεγμένα τῷ Κέλσῳ, φέρʼ ἐκθώμεθα καὶ ταῦτα. χρήσαιτο δʼ ἄν τις καὶ Ἡροδότῳ πρὸς τόδε μάρτυρι, λέγοντι ὧδε· „οἱ γὰρ δὴ ἐκ Μαρέης τε πόλιος καὶ Ἄπιος οἰκέοντες Αἰγύπτου τὰ πρόσουρα Λιβύῃ. αὐτοί τε δοκέοντες εἶναι Λίβυες καὶ οὐκ Αἰγύπτιοι καὶ ἀχθόμενοι τῇ περὶ τὰ ἱερὰ θρησκείῃ, βουλόμενοι θηλέων βοῶν μὴ ἔργεσθαι, ἔπεμψαν ἐς Ἄμμωνα φάμενοι οὐδὲν σφίσι τε καὶ Αἰγυπτίοισι κοινὸν εἶναι· οἰκέειν γὰρ ἔξω τοῦ Δέλτα καὶ οὐχ ὁμολογέειν αὐτοῖσι, βούλεσθαί τε πάντων σφίσιν ἐξεῖναι γεύεσθαι. ὁ δὲ θεὸς οὐκ ἔα σφέας ποιέειν ταῦτα, φὰς Αἴγυπτον εἶναι ταύτην, τὴν ὁ Νεῖλος ἐπιὼν ἄρδει. καὶ Αἰγυπτίους εἶναι τούτους, οἳ ἔνερθεν Ἐλεφαντίνης πόλιος οἰκέοντες ἀπὸ τοῦ ποταμοῦ τούτου πίνουσιν.“ Ἡροδότῳ μὲν τάδε ἱστόρηται. ὁ δʼ Ἄμμων οὐδέν τι κακίων διαπρεσβεῦσαι τὰ δαιμόνια ἢ οἱ Ἰουδαίων ἄγγελοι· ὥστε οὐδὲν ἄδικον ἑκάστους τὰ σφέτερα νόμιμα θρησκεύειν. ἀμέλει πλεῖστον αὐτῶν εὑρήσομεν κατὰ ἔθνη τὸ διαφέρον, καὶ ὅμως ἕκαστοι αὐτοὶ μάλιστα εὖ νομίζειν δοκοῦσιν· Αἰθιόπων μὲν οἱ Μερόην οἰκοῦντες „Δία καὶ Διόνυσον μόνους“ σέβοντες, Ἀράβιοι δὲ τὴν Οὐρανίαν καὶ Διόνυσον τούτους μόνους. Αἰγύπτιοι δὲ πάντες μὲν Ὄσιρίν τε καὶ Ἶσιν, Σαῗται δὲ Ἀθηνᾶν, Ναυκρατῖται δὲ, οὐ πάλαι ἀρξάμενοι, ὠνόμασαν Σάραπιν, καὶ οἱ λοιποὶ κατὰ νομοὺς ὡς ἕκαστοι. καὶ οἱ μὲν ὀΐων ἀπέχονται, σέβοντες ὡς ἱεροὺς, οἱ δὲ αἰγῶν, οἱ δὲ κροκοδείλων. οἱ δὲ βοῶν θηλειῶν, συῶν δὲ ἀπέχονται βδελυττόμενοι. Σκύθαις γε μὴν καὶ ἀνθρώπους δαίνυσθαι καλόν· Ἰνδῶν δέ εἰσιν οἳ καὶ τοὺς πατέρας ἐσθίοντες ὅσια δρᾶν νομίζουσι. καὶ που φησὶν ὁ αὐτὸς Ἡρόδοτος· χρήσομαι δὲ αὖθις αὐταῖς ἐκείνου λέξεσι πίστεως εἵνεκα· ἱστορεῖ δὲ ὧδε· „εἰ γάρ τις προθείη πᾶσιν ἀνθρώποισιν ἐκλέξασθαι κελεύων νόμους τοὺς καλλίστους ἐκ (τῶν) πάντων νόμων, διασκεψάμενοι ἂν ἑλοίατο (ἕκαστοι τοὺς ἑωυτῶν· οὕτω νομίζουσι) πολλόν τι καλλίστους (τοὺς) ἑωυτῶν νόμους ἕκαστοι εἶναι. οὔκων εἰκός ἐστιν ἄλλον γε ἢ μαινόμενον ἄνδρα (γέλωτα) τὰ τοιαῦτα τίθεσθαι. ὡς δʼ οὕτως νενομίκασι τὰ περὶ τοὺς νόμους οἱ πάντες ἄνθρωποι, πολλοῖσι καὶ ἄλλοισι τεκμηρίοισι πάρεστι σταθμώσασθαι, ἐν δὲ δὴ καὶ (τῷδε). Δαρεῖος ἐπὶ τῆς ἑωυτοῦ ἀρχῆς καλέσας Ἑλλήνων τοὺς παρεόντας εἴρετο ἐπὶ κόσῳ ἂν χρήματι βουλοίατο τοὺς πατέρας ἀποθνῄσκοντας κατασιτέεσθαι· οἱ δὲ ἔφασαν ἐπʼ οὐδενὶ ἕρδειν ἂν τοῦτο. Δαρεῖος δὲ μετὰ ταῦτα καλέσας Ἰνδῶν τοὺς καλεομένους Καλατίας, οἳ τοὺς γονέας κατεσθίουσιν, εἴρετο, παρεόντων τῶν Ἑλλήνων καὶ διʼ ἑρμηνέος μανθανόντων τὰ λεγόμενα, ἐπὶ τίνι χρήματι δεξαίατʼ ἂν τελευτέοντας τοὺς πατέρας κατακαίειν πυρί· οἱ δὲ ἀμβώσαντες μέγα εὐφημέειν μιν ἐκέλευον. οὕτω μὲν νῦν ταῦτα νενόμισται, καὶ ὀρθῶς μοι δοκέει Πίνδαρος ποιῆσαι, νόμον πάντων βασιλέα φήσας εἶναι.“

English · Claude translation

So as not to pass over what Celsus says in between, come, let us set that out too: "One might also use Herodotus as a witness on this point, who says: 'For the people of the city of Marea and of Apis, who live in the parts of Egypt bordering on Libya, thinking themselves Libyans and not Egyptians, and vexed at the religious rules about sacrifices, and wishing not to be barred from cows, sent to Ammon saying that they had nothing in common with the Egyptians; for they lived outside the Delta and did not agree with them, and they wished to be allowed to eat everything. But the god would not let them do this, saying that Egypt was the land that the Nile reaches and waters, and that those were Egyptians who live below the city of Elephantine and drink from this river.' This is what Herodotus reports. And Ammon is no worse at conveying the will of the divine powers than the angels of the Jews; so it is not at all unjust for each people to practise its own customs. Indeed, we will find the greatest difference among them from nation to nation, and yet each people thinks itself to be best at holding customs: of the Ethiopians, those who live in Meroe revere 'Zeus and Dionysus alone,' the Arabians Urania and Dionysus, these alone; all the Egyptians revere Osiris and Isis, the people of Sais Athena, and the people of Naucratis, not long ago, began to name Sarapis, and the rest according to their nomes, each in their own way. And some abstain from sheep, revering them as sacred, others from goats, others from crocodiles, others from cows, while they abstain from pigs, loathing them. For the Scythians, indeed, it is a fine thing even to feast on human beings; and there are Indians who think they act piously in eating even their fathers. And somewhere the same Herodotus says (I will again use his own words for the sake of trustworthiness), he reports thus: 'For if someone were to set it before all mankind, bidding them choose the finest customs of all customs, after examining them each would choose their own; so much does each think its own customs the finest by far. It is not likely, then, that anyone but a madman would make a mockery of such things. That all human beings think thus about customs one can judge by many other proofs, and in particular by this. Darius, during his reign, summoned the Greeks who were present and asked them for what price they would be willing to eat their fathers when they died; and they said they would not do it for anything. After this Darius summoned those Indians called Callatiae, who eat their parents, and asked them, in the presence of the Greeks, who understood what was said through an interpreter, for what price they would agree to burn their fathers with fire when they died; and they cried out loudly and bade him speak no evil. So these things are customary now, and Pindar seems to me to have been right when he wrote that custom is king of all.'"

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Source
Koetschau 2:36–38 · Paul Koetschau, ed., Origenes Werke 1–2: Gegen Celsus, GCS 2–3 (Leipzig: Hinrichs, 1899) · Greek text: P. Koetschau, Origenes Werke 1–2 (GCS 2–3, 1899), digitized by the Perseus Digital Library and published by the First Thousand Years of Greek project (Open Greek and Latin), CC BY-SA 4.0
Text
As printed in Koetschau, GCS 2–3. Manuscript variants and the editor's apparatus are not reproduced; no textual problem is noted in this passage.
Translation
Claude translation (claude-opus-5-5), 2026-09-27 · Translated by Claude from the Greek text of Koetschau, GCS 2–3; made independently of existing English translations.
Compare
Ante-Nicene Fathers, vol. 4 (1885) (an older public-domain English translation, whole volume at CCEL; checked against ours only after ours was made)
Extrabiblical texts
  • Herodotus, Hist. 2.18 (Herodotus, Histories) · quotation, high confidence
  • Herodotus, Hist. 3.38 (Herodotus, Histories) · quotation, high confidence
  • Pindar, fr. 169 (Pindar (odes and fragments)) · quotation, high confidence

Notes

Translation notes

  • The quotations are Herodotus 2.18 and 3.38; Celsus's survey of cults draws on Herodotus (e.g. 2.29, 3.8, 2.42, 1.216). Pindar's line is fragment 169 Snell–Maehler. The parentheses (τῶν), (ἕκαστοι … νομίζουσι), (τοὺς), (γέλωτα), and (τῷδε) are the editor's supplements from Herodotus. Here νόμος and νόμιμα mean "custom" (also "law").

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (missing accent in the digital text; missing breathing and accent in the digital text): κατα ἔθνη → κατὰ ἔθνη; μάλιστα ευ νομίζειν → μάλιστα εὖ νομίζειν.

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Origen, Cels. 5.34 (trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/origen-celsum/5/34/).

Plain text
Origen, Cels. 5.34 (trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/origen-celsum/5/34/).

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