Against Celsus 6.39

Summary: Origen disputes Celsus's claim, taken from Herodotus, that different nations merely give different names to the same gods, and declines to answer for magic charms that have nothing to do with Christians.

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Greek text · Koetschau 2:107–109

Εἶτα πρὸς τοὺς χρωμένους, ὥς φησι, μαγείᾳ τινὶ καὶ γοητείᾳ καὶ καλοῦντας ὀνόματα βαρβαρικὰ δαιμόνων τινῶν τοιαῦτα, ὅτι ὅμοιον οὗτοι πράττουσι τοῖς ἐπὶ τοῖς αὐτοῖς ὑποκειμένοις τερατευομένοις πρὸς τοὺς μὴ εἰδότας ἄλλα μὲν αὐτῶν εἶναι τὰ ὀνόματα παρʼ Ἕλλησιν ἄλλα δὲ παρὰ Σκύθαις. εἶτʼ ἐκτίθεται ἀπὸ Ἡροδότου λαβὼν ὡς τὸν μὲν Ἀπόλλωνα Γογγόσυρον καλοῦσι Σκύθαι, τὸν δὲ Ποσειδῶνα Θαγιμάσαδα, τὴν δʼ Ἀφροδίτην Ἀργίμπασαν, Ἑστίαν δὲ Ταβιτί. ἐξετάσει δὲ ὁ δυνάμενος, μή πῃ καὶ περὶ τούτων σὺν Ἡροδότῳ ὁ Κέλσος ψεύδεται, ἅτε μὴ ἐπισταμένων Σκυθῶν τὰ αὐτὰ Ἕλλησιν ὑποκείμενα περὶ τῶν νομιζομένων θεῶν. ποία γὰρ πιθανότης τὸν Ἀπόλλωνα Γογγόσυρον παρὰ Σκύθαις καλεῖσθαι; οὐ γὰρ ἡγοῦμαι ὅτι μεταλαμβανόμενος εἰς Ἑλλάδα φωνὴν ὁ Γογγόσυρος τὴν ἐτυμολογίαν παρίστησι τοῦ Ἀπόλλωνος, ἢ ὁ Ἀπόλλων εἰς τὴν Σκυθῶν διάλεκτον τὸν Γογγόσυρον σημαίνει. οὕτω δὲ οὐδὲ περὶ τῶν λοιπῶν ταὐτόν τι ἐρεῖ· ἄλλων γὰρ ὁρμώμενοι Ἕλληνες πραγμάτων καὶ ἐτυμολογιῶν οὕτως ὠνόμασαν τοὺς παρʼ ἑαυτοῖς νομιζομένους θεοὺς, ἀπʼ ἄλλων δὲ Σκύθαι, οὕτω δὲ καὶ ἀπʼ ἄλλων μὲν Πέρσαι ἀπʼ ἄλλων δὲ Ἰνδοὶ ἢ Αἰθίοπες ἢ Λίβυες, ἢ ὅπως φίλον ἑκάστοις ὀνομάζειν, μὴ μείνασιν ἐπὶ τῆς πρώτης καὶ καθαρᾶς ἐννοίας τοῦ τῶν ὅλων δημιουργοῦ. αὐτάρκως δʼ ἡμῖν εἴρηται καὶ ἐν τοῖς πρὸ τούτων, βουλομένοις παραστῆσαι μὴ ταὐτὸν εἶναι Σαβαὼθ ἢ Δία, ὅτε καὶ περὶ τῶν διαλέκτων τι ἀπὸ τῶν θείων παρετιθέμεθα γραμμάτων. ἑκόντες οὖν ὑπερβαίνομεν ταῦτα, ἐν οἷς ἐπὶ ταυτολογίαν ἡμᾶς ὁ Κέλσος καλεῖ. εἶτα πάλιν φύρων τὰ ἀπὸ τῆς μαγικῆς γοητείας καὶ προσάπτων τάχα μὲν οὐδενὶ τῷ μὴ εἶναι τοὺς μαγγανεύοντας προφάσει τῆς κατὰ τὸν χαρακτῆρα τοῦτον θεοσεβείας, τάχα δέ τισι καὶ πρὸς τοὺς εὐεξαπατήτους χρωμένοις τοιούτοις, ἵνα δοκοῖεν θείᾳ δυνάμει τι ποιεῖν, ἐκτίθεταί τινα λέγων· τί με δεῖ καταριθμεῖν ὅσοι καθαρμοὺς ἐδίδαξαν ἢ λυτηρίους ᾠδὰς ἢ ἀποπομπίμους φωνὰς ἢ κτύπους ἢ δαιμονίους σχηματισμοὺς, ἐσθήτων ἢ ἀριθμῶν ἢ λίθων ἢ φυτῶν ἢ ῥιζῶν καὶ ὅλως παντοδαπῶν χρημάτων παντοῖα ἀλεξιφάρμακα; περὶ ὧν οὐκ ἀπαιτεῖ ἡμᾶς ἀπολογήσασθαι τὸ εὔλογον, ἅτε οὐδὲ κατὰ ποσὸν ἐνεχομένους τοιαύταις ὑπονοίαις.

English · Claude translation

Then, against those who, as he says, use a kind of magic and sorcery and invoke barbarous names of certain demons, he says such things, that these people act like those who tell marvels about the same beings to those who do not know that their names are different among the Greeks and among the Scythians. Then he sets out, taking it from Herodotus, that the Scythians call Apollo Gongosyrus, Poseidon Thagimasadas, Aphrodite Argimpasa, and Hestia Tabiti. Anyone who is able will examine whether here too Celsus, along with Herodotus, is not mistaken, since the Scythians do not understand the same things as the Greeks about those whom they consider gods. For what likelihood is there that Apollo is called Gongosyrus among the Scythians? For I do not think that Gongosyrus, translated into Greek, gives the etymology of Apollo, or that Apollo in the Scythian language means Gongosyrus. Nor will one say the same about the rest: for the Greeks named those they considered gods starting from certain things and etymologies, the Scythians from others, and likewise the Persians from others, and the Indians or Ethiopians or Libyans from others, or as each chose to name them, since they did not remain in the first and pure conception of the Creator of the universe. We have said enough on this earlier too, when we wished to show that Sabaoth and Zeus are not the same, and quoted something from the divine writings about languages. So we willingly pass over these things, in which Celsus calls us to repeat ourselves. Then again, jumbling together matters of magical sorcery, and attaching them perhaps to no one, since there are no sorcerers who practise under the pretext of this form of piety, or perhaps to some who use such things with the easily deceived so as to seem to do something by divine power, he sets out certain things, saying: Why need I list all those who have taught purifications, or releasing songs, or averting cries, or rattlings, or demonic figures, or all kinds of protective remedies made of clothes or numbers or stones or plants or roots, and in general of every sort of thing? Reason does not require us to answer for these, since we are not in the least involved in such suspicions.

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Source
Koetschau 2:107–109 · Paul Koetschau, ed., Origenes Werke 1–2: Gegen Celsus, GCS 2–3 (Leipzig: Hinrichs, 1899) · Greek text: P. Koetschau, Origenes Werke 1–2 (GCS 2–3, 1899), digitized by the Perseus Digital Library and published by the First Thousand Years of Greek project (Open Greek and Latin), CC BY-SA 4.0
Text
As printed in Koetschau, GCS 2–3. Manuscript variants and the editor's apparatus are not reproduced; no textual problem is noted in this passage.
Translation
Claude translation (claude-opus-5-5), 2026-09-27 · Translated by Claude from the Greek text of Koetschau, GCS 2–3; made independently of existing English translations.
Compare
Ante-Nicene Fathers, vol. 4 (1885) (an older public-domain English translation, whole volume at CCEL; checked against ours only after ours was made)
Extrabiblical texts
  • Herodotus, Hist. 4.59 (Herodotus, Histories) · allusion, high confidence

Notes

Translation notes

  • The Scythian names come from Herodotus, Histories 4.59. Origen refers back to Against Celsus 1.24–25 and 5.41–46.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (missing accent in the digital text): ἀποπομπίμους φωνας → ἀποπομπίμους φωνὰς.

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Origen, Cels. 6.39 (trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/origen-celsum/6/39/).

Plain text
Origen, Cels. 6.39 (trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/origen-celsum/6/39/).

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