Against Celsus 7.37
Summary: Origen argues that Celsus's imagined Christian speaker is inconsistent: simple believers would not talk like Stoics, and educated Christians know from Paul that God's invisible things are understood through creation.
Greek text · Koetschau 2:187–188
Εἴπερ δὲ τοιαύτη μὲν ἡ ἐν τῷ προσωποποιεῖν ἀρετὴ τοιαδὶ δὲ ἡ κακία, πῶς οὐκ εὐλόγως τις καταγελάσεται Κέλσου, Χριστιανοῖς περιτιθέντος τὰ μὴ ὑπὸ Χριστιανῶν λεγόμενα; εἰ μὲν γὰρ ἰδιωτῶν ἀνέπλασσε λόγους, πόθεν τοῖς τοιούτοις δύνασθαι διακρίνειν αἴσθησιν ἀπὸ τοῦ νοῦ καὶ αἰσθητὰ νοητῶν καὶ δογματίζειν παραπλησίως τοῖς ἀναιροῦσι νοητὰς οὐσίας Στωϊκοῖς περὶ τοῦ αἰσθήσεσιν καταλαμβάνεσθαι τὰ καταλαμβανόμενα καὶ πᾶσαν κατάληψιν ἠρτῆσθαι τῶν αἰσθήσεων; εἰ δʼ ἀναπλάσσει λόγους τῶν φιλοσοφούντων καὶ ἐπιμελῶς ὅση δύναμις ἐξεταζόντων τὰ Χριστοῦ. οὐδὲ τούτοις ἀκόλουθα πεποίηκεν. οὐδεὶς γὰρ μαθὼν ἀόρατον εἶναι τὸν θεὸν καὶ εἶναί τινα δημιουργήματα ἀόρατα. τουτέστι νοητὰ, λέγοι ἂν ὡς ἀπολογούμενος περὶ τῶν κατὰ τὴν ἀνάστασιν τό· πῶς αἰσθήσεσι μὴ καταλαμβανόμενοι γνώσονται τὸν θεόν; ἤ· τί χωρὶς αἰσθήσεως μαθεῖν δυνατόν ἐστι; καὶ οὐκ ἐν ἀνακεχωρηκόσι καὶ ἀναγινωσκομένοις ὑπὸ ὀλίγων μόνον καὶ φιλομαθῶν ἀλλʼ ἐν τοῖς δημωδεστέροις γέγραπται ὅτι „τὰ ἀόρατα τοῦ θεοῦ ἀπὸ κτίσεως κόσμου τοῖς ποιήμασι νοούμενα καθορᾶται“· διʼ ὧν ἔστιν εἰδέναι ὅτι εἰ καὶ τοὺς ἐν βίῳ ἀνθρώπους χρὴ ἀπὸ αἰσθήσεων ἄρξασθαι καὶ τῶν αἰσθητῶν, μέλλοντας ἀναβαίνειν ἐπὶ τὴν τῶν νοητῶν φύσιν, ἀλλʼ οὔτι γε ἐν αἰσθητοῖς καταμένειν χρή· οὔτε χωρὶς αἰσθήσεως ἐροῦσιν ἀδύνατον εἶναι μαθεῖν τὰ νοητὰ, χρώμενοι δὲ τῷ τίς χωρὶς αἰσθήσεως μαθεῖν δυνατός ἐστιν; ἐλέγξουσιν οὐκ εὐλόγως τούτῳ ὑπὸ τοῦ Κέλσου ἐπιφέρεσθαι τὸ οὐκ ἀνθρώπου μὲν οὐδὲ ψυχῆς ἀλλὰ γὰρ σαρκὸς φωνή.
English · Claude translation
If such is the virtue in writing speeches in character, and such the fault, how could anyone not reasonably laugh at Celsus, who puts upon Christians what is not said by Christians? For if he was inventing speeches of simple people, how could such people distinguish sense from mind, and sensible things from intelligible things, and hold doctrines like those of the Stoics, who abolish intelligible beings, that whatever is apprehended is apprehended by the senses and that all apprehension depends on the senses? And if he is inventing speeches of those who philosophize and examine the teaching of Christ carefully and as far as they are able, he has not made them consistent with these either. For no one who has learned that God is invisible, and that there are some invisible created things, that is, intelligible things, would say, as though in defence of the resurrection: “How will they know God if they do not apprehend him by the senses?” or “What is it possible to learn without sense?” And it is written, not in secluded writings read only by a few scholars, but in those that are more widely read, that “the invisible things of God from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made.” From this one may know that, even if people in this life must begin from the senses and sensible things when they are about to ascend to the nature of intelligible things, yet they must by no means remain among sensible things. Nor will they say that it is impossible to learn intelligible things without sense; rather, using the question “Who is able to learn without sense?”, they will show that Celsus has no good reason to attach to it the remark, “This is the voice not of a man, nor of a soul, but of the flesh.”
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- The quotation is Rom 1:20.
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Origen, Cels. 7.37 (trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/origen-celsum/7/37/).
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Origen, Cels. 7.37 (trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/origen-celsum/7/37/).
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