Against Celsus 8.69
Summary: Celsus mocks the hope that God would defend a Christian Rome, pointing to the Jews' loss of their land and the persecution of Christians; Origen answers that if all Romans prayed together, God would fight for them as for Moses, and God's promises were conditional.
Greek text · Koetschau 2:285–286
Εἶτα ἑαυτοῦ μὴ ἀκούσας ὁ Κέλσος, τὰ ἀνακόλουθα εἰπόντος τῷ εἰ γὰρ τὸ αὐτό σοι ποιήσειαν ἅπαντες, φησίν· οὐ μὲν δὴ τοῦτο φήσεις. ὡς, ἂν πεισθέντες σοι Ῥωμαῖοι καὶ τῶν νενομισμένων αὐτοῖς πρὸς θεούς τε καὶ ἀνθρώπους ἀμελήσαντες τὸν σὸν Ὕψιστον, ἢ ὅντινα βούλει, προσκαλέσωνται. καταβὰς ὑπερμαχεῖται αὐτῶν, καὶ οὐδεμιᾶς ἄλλης ἀλκῆς δεήσει. καὶ γὰρ πρότερον ὁ αὐτὸς θεὸς τοῖς προσέχουσιν αὐτῷ ταῦτά τε καὶ πολὺ μείζω τούτων, ὡς ὑμεῖς φατε, ὑπισχνούμενος ὁρᾶτε ὅσα ὠφέλησεν ἐκείνους τε καὶ ὑμᾶς· ὧν τοῖς μὲν ἀντὶ (τοῦ) γῆς ἁπάσης εἶναι δεσπόταις οὐδʼ ὁποία τις βῶλος οὐδʼ ἑστία λείπεται, ὑμῶν δὲ κἂν πλανᾶταί τις ἔτι λανθάνων, ἀλλὰ ζητεῖται πρὸς θανάτου δίκην. ἐπεὶ δὲ καθʼ ὑπόθεσιν ζητεῖ, εἰ πεισθέντες Ῥωμαῖοι τῷ Χριστιανῶν λόγῳ, τῶν πρὸς τοὺς νενομισμένους θεοὺς ἀμελήσαντες καὶ τῶν κατὰ τοὺς ἀνθρώπους προτέρων νόμων, τὸν Ὕψιστον σέβοιντο, τί ἂν ἀπαντήσαι· ἄκουε τί ἀρέσκει περὶ τούτων ἡμῖν. φαμὲν ὅτι, εἴπερ, „ἂν δύο συμφωνῶσιν“ ἐξ ἡμῶν „ἐπὶ τῆς γῆς περὶ παντὸς πράγματος, οὗ ἐὰν αἰτήσωνται γενήσεται αὐτοῖς παρὰ τοῦ ἐν τοῖς οὐρανοῖς πατρὸς“ τῶν δικαίων· χαίρει γὰρ συμφωνίᾳ τῶν λογικῶν ζῴων ὁ θεὸς καὶ ἐκτρέπεται τὴν διαφωνίαν· τί χρὴ νομίζειν, εἰ μὴ μόνον ὡς νῦν πάνυ ὀλίγοι συμφωνοῖεν ἀλλὰ πᾶσα ἡ ὑπὸ Ῥωμαίων ἀρχή; εὔξονται γὰρ τῷ καὶ πρότερον εἰπόντι πρὸς τοὺς Ἑβραίους καταδιωκομένους ὑπὸ Αἰγυπτίων λόγῳ· „κύριος πολεμήσει ὑπὲρ ὑμῶν, καὶ ὑμεῖς σιγήσεσθε, “ καὶ μετὰ πάσης συμφωνίας εὐξάμενοι πολλῷ πλείονας δυνήσονται καταλῦσαι ἐχθροὺς ἐπιδιώκοντας, ἢ οὓς καθεῖλεν ἡ Μωϋσέως πρὸς τὸν θεὸν βοῶντος καὶ τῶν σὺν αὐτῷ εὐχή. ἃ δʼ ὑπέσχετο ὁ θεὸς τοῖς τηροῦσι τὸν νόμον εἰ μὴ γεγένηται, οὐ τῷ ψεύδεσθαι τὸν θεὸν οὐ γεγένηται ἀλλὰ τῷ ἐπὶ συνθήκαις γεγονέναι τὰς ἐπαγγελίας, ταῖς περὶ τοῦ τηρεῖν τὸν νόμον καὶ τὸν κατὰ τὸν νόμον βίον. καὶ εἰ οὔτε βῶλος οὔθʼ ἑστία Ἰουδαίοις καταλείπεται τοῖς τὰς ἐπαγγελίας ἐπὶ συνθήκαις εἰληφόσιν, αἰτιατέον πᾶσαν μὲν αὐτῶν τὴν παρανομίαν ἐξαιρέτως δὲ τὴν κατὰ τοῦ Ἰησοῦ.
English · Claude translation
Then Celsus, not listening to himself, having said something inconsistent with “For if all were to do the same as you,” says: “Surely you will not say that if the Romans, persuaded by you, neglect their customary duties to gods and men and call upon your Most High, or whoever you like, he will come down and fight for them, and they will need no other defence. For formerly too the same God promised those who paid heed to him these things and much greater than these, as you say; and you see how much he has helped them and you. Of them, instead of being masters of the whole earth, not even a clod of earth or a hearth is left; and of you, if one still wanders about in hiding, he is sought out for the penalty of death.” Since he asks, as a hypothesis, what would happen if the Romans, persuaded by the teaching of Christians, neglected their duties to the customary gods and their former human laws and worshipped the Most High, hear what we think about this. We say that if “two” of us “agree on earth about anything they ask, it will be done for them by the Father” of the righteous “who is in heaven”; for God rejoices in the agreement of rational beings and turns away from disagreement. What must we think, then, if not only, as now, very few agree, but the whole empire of the Romans? For they will pray to the Word who formerly said to the Hebrews when they were pursued by the Egyptians, “The Lord will fight for you, and you shall be silent”; and praying in complete agreement they will be able to destroy far more enemies who pursue them than those destroyed by the prayer of Moses crying to God and of those with him. And if what God promised to those who keep the law has not come about, it has not failed because God lied, but because the promises were made on conditions, namely keeping the law and living according to the law. And if neither a clod nor a hearth is left to the Jews who received the promises on conditions, the blame must be laid on all their lawlessness, and especially on that against Jesus.
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Translation notes
- The quotations are Matt 18:19 and Exod 14:14. Origen's explanation of the Jews' loss of their land as punishment, especially for the rejection of Jesus, reflects early Christian polemic and is translated as written.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (missing breathing and accent in the digital text): τὸν Υψιστον → τὸν Ὕψιστον.
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Origen, Cels. 8.69 (trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/origen-celsum/8/69/).
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Origen, Cels. 8.69 (trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/origen-celsum/8/69/).
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