On Prayer 27.8

Summary: Origen reviews two philosophical views of “being”: the Platonist view that being belongs properly to incorporeal things, and the Stoic view that it is the qualityless matter underlying bodies.

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Greek text · Koetschau 2:367–368

ἡ μέντοι κυρίως οὐσία τοῖς μὲν προηγουμένην τὴν τῶν ἀσωμάτων ὑπόστασιν εἶναι φάσκουσι νενόμισται κατὰ τὰ ἀσώματα. τὸ εἶναι βεβαίως ἔχοντα καὶ οὔτε προσθήκην χωροῦντα οὔτε ἀφαίρεσιν πάσχοντα (τοῦτο γὰρ ἴδιον σωμάτων, περὶ ἃ γίνεται ἡ αὔξη καὶ ἡ φθίσις παρὰ τὸ εἶναι αὐτὰ ῥευστὰ, δεόμενα τοῦ ὑποστηρίζοντος ἐπεισιόντος καὶ τρέφοντος· ὅπερ ἐὰν πλεῖον ἐν καιρῷ ἐπεισίῃ τοῦ ἀποῤῥέοντος, αὔξησις γίνεται, ἐὰν δὲ ἔλαττον, μείωσις· τάχα δέ τινα οὐδʼ ὅλως τὸ ἐπεισιὸν λαμβάνοντα ἐν ἀκράτῳ. ἵνʼ οὕτως εἴπω, μειώσει γίνεται). τοῖς δὲ ἐπακολουθητικὴν αὐτὴν εἶναι νομίζουσι προηγουμένην δὲ τὴν τῶν σωμάτων ὅροι αὐτῆς οὗτοί εἰσιν· οὐσία ἐστὶν ἢ πρώτη τῶν ὄντων ὕλη, καὶ ἐξ ἧς τὰ ὄντα, ἢ τῶν σωμάτων ὕλη, καὶ ἐξ ἧς τὰ σώματα, ἢ τῶν ὀνομαζομένων, καὶ ἐξ ἧς τὰ ὀνομαζόμενα, ἢ τὸ πρῶτον ὑπόστατον ἄποιον ἢ τὸ προϋφιστάμενον τοῖς οὖσιν ἢ τὸ πάσας δεχόμενον τὰς μεταβολάς τε καὶ ἀλλοιώσεις, αὐτὸ δὲ ἀναλλοίωτον κατὰ τὸν ἴδιον λόγον, ἢ τὸ ὑπομένον πᾶσαν ἀλλοίωσιν καὶ μεταβολήν. κατὰ τούτους δὲ ἡ οὐσία ἐστὶν ἄποιός τε καὶ ἀσχημάτιστος κατὰ τὸν ἴδιον λόγον ἀλλʼ οὐδὲ μέγεθος ἀποτεταγμένον ἔχουσα, πάσῃ δὲ ἔγκειται ποιότητι καθάπερ ἕτοιμόν τι χωρίον. ποιότητας δὲ διατακτικῶς λέγουσι τὰς ἐνεργείας καὶ τὰς ποιήσεις κοινῶς, ἐν αἷς εἶναι τὰς κινήσεις καὶ σχέσεις συμβέβηκεν· οὐδέ τινος γὰρ τούτων κατὰ τὸν ἴδιον λόγον μετέχειν φασὶ τὴν οὐσίαν, ἀεὶ δέ τινος αὐτῶν ἀχώριστον εἶναι πάθει τήνδε, οὐδὲν ἧττον καὶ ἐπιδεκτὴν πασῶν τῶν τοῦ ποιοῦντος ἐνεργειῶν, ὡς ἂν ἐκεῖνο ποιῇ καὶ μεταβάλλῃ· ὁ γὰρ συνὼν αὐτῇ τόνος καὶ διʼ ὅλων κεχωρηκὼς πάσης τε ποιότητος καὶ τῶν περὶ αὐτὴν αἴτιος ἂν οἰκονομιῶν· διʼ ὅλων τε μεταβλητὴν καὶ διʼ ὅλων διαιρετὴν λέγουσιν εἶναι, καὶ πᾶσαν οὐσίαν πάσῃ συγχεῖσθαι δύνασθαι, ἡνωμένην μέντοι.

English · Claude translation

Being (ousia) in the proper sense, according to those who say that the existence of incorporeal things is primary, is understood to belong to incorporeal things, which possess being firmly and neither admit addition nor suffer subtraction (for this belongs to bodies, in which growth and decay occur because they are in flux and need something that comes in to support and nourish them; if at any time more comes in than flows away, there is increase, and if less, decrease; and perhaps some things that receive nothing at all coming in are, so to speak, in unmixed decrease). But according to those who think that incorporeal existence is secondary and that of bodies primary, its definitions are these: being is either the primary matter of existing things, from which existing things come; or the matter of bodies, from which bodies come; or of things named, from which things named come; or the first substrate without quality; or that which underlies existing things; or that which receives all changes and alterations while itself unaltered in its own nature; or that which endures every alteration and change. According to these, being is in its own nature without quality and without shape, and does not even have a determined size, but lies ready for every quality like a prepared place. And by qualities, in their technical sense, they mean activities and productions in general, in which motions and states happen to exist; for they say that being in its own nature participates in none of these, but is always inseparable from one of them by being affected, and nonetheless is receptive of all the activities of the agent, as it acts and changes it; for the tension that is with it and has passed through all of it would be the cause of every quality and of the dispositions concerning it. And they say that it is changeable throughout and divisible throughout, and that every being can be mingled with every other, while remaining united.

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Koetschau 2:367–368 · Paul Koetschau, ed., Origenes Werke 2: Buch V–VIII gegen Celsus, Die Schrift vom Gebet, GCS 3 (Leipzig: Hinrichs, 1899), 297–403 · Greek text: P. Koetschau, Origenes Werke 2 (GCS 3, 1899), digitized by the Perseus Digital Library and published by the First Thousand Years of Greek project (Open Greek and Latin), CC BY-SA 4.0
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As printed in Koetschau, GCS 3. Manuscript variants and the editor's apparatus are not reproduced; no textual problem is noted in this passage.
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Claude translation (claude-opus-5-5), 2026-09-27 · Translated by Claude from the Greek text of Koetschau, GCS 3; made independently of existing English translations. No public-domain English translation exists; reviewed against the Greek.
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Translation notes

  • The first view is Platonist; the second, with its definitions of being as qualityless matter and its doctrine of “tension” (τόνος) pervading matter, is Stoic. The technical vocabulary makes several phrases uncertain in meaning, especially the words rendered “in their technical sense” (διατακτικῶς) and “by being affected” (πάθει).

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (missing accent and breathing in the digital text): ουτοί εἰσιν → οὗτοί εἰσιν.

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Origen, Or. 27.8 (trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/origen-oratione/27/8/).

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Origen, Or. 27.8 (trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/origen-oratione/27/8/).

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