On Prayer 5.3
Summary: The second objection: if God has preordained everything, praying for what will happen anyway is as foolish as praying for the sun to rise.
Greek text · Koetschau 2:309
εἰκὸς (δὲ) τῷ θεῷ οὐ μόνον προεγνῶσθαι τὰ ἐσόμενα ἀλλὰ καὶ προδιατετάχθαι. καὶ μηδὲν αὐτῷ παρὰ τὰ προδιατεταγμένα γίνεσθαι. ὥσπερ οὖν εἴ τις εὔχοιτο ἀνατέλλειν τὸν ἥλιον, ἠλίθιος ἂν νομίζοιτο. τὸ καὶ χωρὶς τῆς εὐχῆς αὐτοῦ ἐσόμενον διὰ τῆς εὐχῆς γενέσθαι ἀξιῶν· οὕτως ἀνόητος ἂν εἴη ἄνθρωπος, ὅστις οἴεται διὰ τὴν ἑαυτοῦ εὐχὴν γίνεσθαι τὰ καὶ μὴ εὐξαμένου αὐτοῦ πάντως ἐσόμενα ἄν, πάλιν τε αὖ ὥσπερ πᾶσαν μανίαν ὑπερβάλλει ὁ διὰ τὸ ἐνοχλεῖσθαι ὑπὸ τοῦ ἡλίου γενομένου ἐν θεριναῖς τροπαῖς καὶ καυσοῦσθαι οἰόμενος διὰ τῆς εὐχῆς μεταστήσεσθαι τὸν ἥλιον ἐπὶ τὰ ἐαρινὰ σημεῖα, ἵνα εὐκράτου ἀπολαύῃ τοῦ ἀέρος· οὕτως τὰ ἀναγκαίως συμβαίνοντα περιστατικὰ τῷ ἀνθρώπων γένει εἴ τις οἴοιτο διὰ τὸ εὔχεσθαι μὴ πείσεσθαι, πᾶσαν (ἂν), ὑπερβάλοι μελαγχολίαν.
English · Claude translation
And it is likely that the things that will be are not only foreknown by God but also preordained, and that nothing happens contrary to what he has preordained. Just as, then, if someone should pray for the sun to rise, he would be thought silly, asking that what will happen even without his prayer should happen through his prayer; so a man would be foolish who thinks that through his own prayer things happen which would in any case happen even if he did not pray. And again, just as a man would surpass all madness who, being troubled and scorched by the sun at the summer solstice, thought that through prayer the sun would be moved to the spring signs, so that he might enjoy temperate air; so if anyone thought that by praying he would not suffer the circumstances that necessarily befall the human race, he would surpass all melancholy madness.
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- The objection is still being stated, not Origen's view.
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Origen, Or. 5.3 (trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/origen-oratione/5/3/).
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Origen, Or. 5.3 (trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/origen-oratione/5/3/).
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