On the Christian Faith 5.16–5.19

Latin text: Migne, PL 16 (Latin text: Migne, Patrologia Latina, digitized by Open Greek and Latin (patrologia_latina-dev, University of Leipzig), CC BY-SA 4.0).English: Claude (claude-opus-5-5), public domain (CC0). Compare: Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers, series 2, vol. 10 (1896).

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Chapter 5

5.16PL 16:637a–639b

Unde exsecrabiles eos qui ista commemorant, et a Spiritu sancto esse damna­ tos scire debemus. Quos enim alios, nisi specialiter Arianos Propheta condemnat, qui dicunt quod Dei Filius nesciat tempora et annos? Non enim est ali­ quid quod ignoret Deus: est autem Deus Christus, et altissimus Christus; ipse est enim super omnia Deus. Videte quemadmodum sanctus David hujusmodi homines qui Dei Filio scientiam derogent, perhorrescat; sic enim habes: In laboribus hominum non sunt, et cum hominibus non flagellabuntur; ideo obtinuit eos superbia eorum; cooperti sunt iniquitate et impietate sua: prodiit quasi ex adipe iniquitas eo­ rum, pertransierunt in dispositionem cordis (Psal. In, 5 et seq.). Utique eos condemnat qui ex dis­ positione cordis aestimanda quae divina sunt, arbitrantur: nam Deus nec dispositioni est subjectus, nec ordini; quando etiam ipsa quæ sunt in usu hominum, et successione generis humani, non semper aliqua solemnis dispositione rationis, sed plerumque secretis latentibusque decursa mysteriis, evenire cernamus. Cogitaverunt, inquit, et locuti sunt nequitiam, iniquitatem in Excelsum locuti sunt, posuerunt in cae­ lum os suum. Videmus itaque quod impii sacrilegii reos damnet, qui ex similitudine humanæ naturæ, dispositionem sibi arrogent cœlestis arcani. Et dixerunt: Quomodo scivit Deus? et si est scientia omnis in Altissimo? Nonne haec quotidie perstrepunt Ariani, scientiam omnem in Christo esse non posse? Quia ipse, inquiunt, diei et horæ se professus est esse ignarum. Nonne dicunt: Quomodo scivit, qui eum non potuisse scire comme­ morant, nisi quæ audierit, et viderit: et ea quæ spectant ad divinæ unitatem naturæ ad infirmita­ tem sacrilega interpretatione derivant? Scriptum est, inquiunt: De die autem illo et hora nemo scit, neque angeli cœlorum, nec Filius, nisi solus Pater. Primum veteres non habent codices Græci quia nec Filius scit: sed non mirum si et hoc falsarunt, qui Scripturas interpola­ vere divinas. Qua ratione autem videatur adjectum, proditur, dum ad interpretationem tanti sacrilegii derivatur. Pone tamen ab evangelistis scriptum. Me­ dium utique nomen est Filii: nam et Filius hominis dicitur; ut secundum imprudentiam assumptionis nostrae diem futuri judicii nescisse videatur. Quo­ modo enim nesciret diem Dei Filius, cum in ipso sint thesauri sapientiæ et scientiæ Dei absconditi? Quæro autem utrum ex substantia, an ex accidenti habuerit scientiam; omnis enim scientia aut ex natura, aut ex disciplina est: ex natura suppe­ tit, ut equo currere, pisci natare; hæc enim faciunt antequam discant: ex disciplina rursus suppetit na­ tare homini; nam nisi didicerit, scire non poterit. Cum ergo mutis animantibus suppetat ex natura fa­ cere et scire quæ non didicerint, quid censes de Dei Filio, utrum ex institutione, an ex natura habeat scientiam? Si ex institutione: ergo non est natus sapientia, et ex processu cœpit esse perfectus, nec erat semper. Quod si naturalem scientiam habet, utique perfectus in principio erat, perfectus ex Pa­ tre processit; et ideo præscientia non eguit futuro­ rum. Non ergo nescivit diem; neque enim sapientiæ Dei est ex parte scire, et ex parte nescire. Nam quomodo potest nescire partem, qui fecit omnia; cum minus sit scire, quam facere? Multa enim sci­ mus, quæ facere non possumus: nec eodem modo omnes scimus, sed ex parte cognoscimus. Novit enim ventorum vim, stellarumque cursus aliter rus­ ticus, aliter civitatis incola, aliter gubernator. Etsi non omnes norunt omnia, tamen nosse dicuntur: solus autem plene novit ille, qui fecit omnia. Novit gubernator quota vigilia procedat Arcturus, quales ortus exploret Orionis; non tamen colligationes Vergiliarum, cæterarumque stellarum aut nu­ merum novit, aut nomina, sicut ille, Qui numerat mul­ titudinem stellarum, et omnibus his nomina vocat: quem utique non fallit operis sui virtus. Quomodo enim vultis hæc fecisse Dei Fi­ lium? Numquid quasi annulum, qui non sentit quod exprimit? Sed omnia in sapientia Pater fecit, id est, omnia per Filium fecit, qui est virtus Dei et sapientia (t Cor. I, 24): sapientiae autem id convenit, ut suorum operum et virtutes norit et causas. Et ideo non potuit creator omnium ignorare quod fecit, nescire quod ipse donavit: novit ergo diem quem fecit. Sed dicis, quia praesentem novit, nescit futu­ rum. Licet inepta sit propositio, tamen ut de Scrip­ turis satisfaciam tibi, disce quia non solum praeterita fecit, sed etiam quae futura sunt, sicut scriptum est: Qui fecit quæ adventura sunt ( Esai. XLV, 11). Et alibi ait Scriptura: Per quem et facta sunt sæcula, splendor est gloriæ, et character substantiæ ejus (Hebr. t, 2, 5). Saecula enim et præterita et præsentia et futura sunt. Quomodo ergo facta sunt quae futura sunt; nisi quia operatoria virtus et scientia comprehendit numerum omnium sæculorum? Sicut enim vocat quæ non sunt, tamquam quæ sunt ( Rom. IV, i7): sic et fecit quæ futura sunt, tamquam quæ sint; quia non contingit ut non sint, sed necessario sunt futura, quæ esse præcepit. Ergo qui fecit quæ futura sunt, eo genere quo sunt futura cognovit. Si hoc de sæculis, multo magis de judicii credendum est die; eo quod cognitionem ejus habeat Dei Filius tamquam a se jam factæ; quia scrip­ tum est: Dispositione tua permanebit dies ( Psal. CXVIII, 91 ). Nec solum permanet dixit, sed etiam permanebit; ut ejus dispositione quæ ventura sunt, gubernentur. Quæ disposuit ergo, non novit? Qui plantavit aurem, non audiet? qui finxit oculum, non considerat? Videamus tamen ne quid forte magnum sit, quod creatorem suum potuerit præterire; et tamen eligant utrum quasi magnum aliquid et praestantius putent esse quam caetera: an quasi minimum atque abjectum? Si minimum atque abjectum, non est injuria, ut nostro usu loquar, vilia et exigua nescire; nam cum potentiæ sit scire quæ maxima sunt, despexisse magis videtur degeneris operis vilitatem. Fastidio igitur absolutus est, non potestate fraudatus. Quod si magnum et summum arbitrantur scire judicii diem, dicant quid Deo Patre majus aut melius sit. Patrem igitur Deum novit, ut ipse ait: Nemo novit Patrem nisi Filius, et cui voluerit Filius revelare. Patrem, inquam, novit et diem nescit? Sic ergo creditis quia Patrem revelat, et diem non potest revelare? Deinde quia gradus quosdam facitis; ut Patrem Filio, Filium Spiritui præferatis; dicite mihi utrum Spiritus sanctus noverit judicii diem; nihil enim de eo scriptum est hoc loco. Negatis profecto. Quid si doceo quod noverit? Lectum est enim: Nobis autem revelavit Deus per Spiritum suum; Spiritus enim omnia scrutatur, etiam alta Dei ( I Cor. II, 10). Utique quia alta Dei scrutatur, cum Deus noverit judicii diem, etiam Spiritus novit. Novit enim omnia quæ Deus novit, sicut Apostolus declarat dicens: Quis enim scit hominum quæ sunt hominis, nisi spiritus hominis qui in ipso est? Sic et quæ Dei sunt, nemo cognovit, nisi Spiritus Dei ( Ibid., 11). Videte igitur, ne aut negando Spiritum sanctum scire, negetis et Patrem scire; quia quæ Dei sunt, cognovit et Dei Spiritus: quae autem non cognovit Spiritus Dei, uti­ que Dei non sunt: aut confitendo quia Spiritus Dei novit, quod negatis Filium scire, contra vestram assertionem Spiritum Filio præferatis. Verum non solum sacrilega ista, sed etiam inepta dubitatio. Nunc consideremus quibus modis scientia col­ ligatur, et ostendamus ipsum Filium demonstrasse quod et diem sciret. Quod enim scimus, aut tempore, aut loco, aut signis, aut personis declaramus, aut ordine. Quomodo igitur nescivit judicii diem, qui et horam judicii, et locum, et signa expressit et causas. Denique sic habes: In illa hora qui fuerit in tecto, non descendat tollere vasa de domo sua; et qui in agro, similiter non redeat retro ( Luc. XVII, 31). Eousque igitur futurorum norat periculorum even­ tus, ut etiam præsidia periclitantibus demonstraret. An poterat Dominus diem ignorare, qui ipse de se dixit quia Filius hominis Dominus est sab­ bati (Matth. in, 8)? Locum quoque etiam alibi designavit, cum, sibi structuras templi ostendentibus discipulis, diceret: Videtis hæc omnia? Amen dico vobis, non relinquetur lapis super lapidem, qui non destruatur. De signo quoque interrogatus ab Apostolis respondit: Videte ne seducamini. Multi enim venient in nomine meo, dicentes quia ego sum Christus ( Luc. XXI, 8); et infra: Terrae motus, inquit, magni erunt per loca singula, et fames, et pestilentia, terroresque de cœlo, et signa magna erunt (Ibid., 11). Itaque et personas expressit et signa. Quo autem modo, vel circumdaturos exercitus Jerusalem dicat, vel implenda tempora gentium, et quo ordine, Evangelicæ utique lectionis attestatione reseratur. Scivit ergo omnia.

Hence we ought to know that those who say these things are accursed and condemned by the Holy Spirit. For whom else does the prophet condemn, if not specially the Arians, who say that the Son of God does not know times and years? For there is nothing that God does not know; and Christ is God, and Christ is the Most High; for he is God over all. See how holy David shudders at men of this kind, who take knowledge away from the Son of God; for so you have it: “They are not in the toils of men, and they will not be scourged with men; therefore pride has taken hold of them; they are covered with their iniquity and their impiety; their iniquity has come forth as from fatness; they have passed into the disposition of the heart.” He certainly condemns those who think that divine things are to be judged from the disposition of the heart; for God is subject neither to disposition nor to order; since we see that even the things that belong to the life of men and to the succession of the human race do not always happen by some regular disposition of reason, but for the most part run their course by secret and hidden mysteries. “They have thought,” he says, “and spoken wickedness; they have spoken iniquity against the Most High; they have set their mouth against heaven.” We see, then, that he condemns as guilty of impious sacrilege those who, from the likeness of human nature, claim for themselves the disposition of the heavenly secret. “And they said: How did God know? And is there all knowledge in the Most High?” Do not the Arians din this out every day, that all knowledge cannot be in Christ? “Because,” they say, “he himself professed that he did not know the day and the hour.” Do they not say, “How did he know?”, recalling that he could not know except what he had heard and seen, and by a sacrilegious interpretation turn to weakness the things that belong to the unity of the divine nature? “It is written,” they say: “But of that day and hour no one knows, not the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone.” First, the old Greek manuscripts do not have “nor does the Son know”; but no wonder if they have falsified this too, who have interpolated the divine Scriptures. And why it seems to have been added is betrayed when it is turned to the support of so great a sacrilege. Yet suppose that it was written by the evangelists. The name “Son” certainly stands between the two natures; for he is also called Son of Man; so that he might seem not to have known the day of future judgment according to the ignorance belonging to our nature which he assumed. For how could the Son of God not know the day, when in him are hidden the treasures of the wisdom and knowledge of God? I ask whether he had his knowledge from substance or from accident; for all knowledge comes either from nature or from instruction: from nature, as a horse can run and a fish swim, for they do these things before they learn; from instruction, as a man can swim, for unless he learns he cannot know how. Since, then, dumb animals can by nature do and know things they have not learned, what do you think of the Son of God: does he have knowledge from instruction or from nature? If from instruction, then he was not born Wisdom, and he began to be perfect by progress, and was not always so. But if he has natural knowledge, he was certainly perfect in the beginning, he came forth perfect from the Father; and so he had no need of foreknowledge of the future. He was not, then, ignorant of the day; for it does not belong to the Wisdom of God to know in part and in part not to know. For how can he not know a part, who made all things, since knowing is less than making? For we know many things that we cannot do; nor do we all know in the same way, but we know in part. For the countryman knows the force of the winds and the courses of the stars in one way, the town-dweller in another, the pilot in another. Though not all know all things, yet they are said to know; but he alone knows fully who made all things. The pilot knows at what watch Arcturus advances, what risings of Orion he watches for; yet he does not know the bonds of the Pleiades and the number or names of the other stars, as he does “who numbers the multitude of the stars and calls them all by name,” whom the power of his own work certainly does not escape. How, then, would you have the Son of God make these things? Like a signet ring, which does not perceive what it impresses? But the Father made all things in wisdom, that is, he made all things through the Son, who is the power and wisdom of God; and it befits wisdom to know the powers and causes of its works. And so the Creator of all could not be ignorant of what he made, nor not know what he himself bestowed; he knew, then, the day which he made. But you say that he knows the present day but does not know the future one. Though the proposition is inept, yet, to satisfy you from the Scriptures, learn that he made not only things past but also things to come, as it is written: “Who made the things that are to come.” And elsewhere Scripture says: “Through whom also the ages were made, who is the radiance of his glory and the impress of his substance.” For the ages are past, present, and future. How, then, were the things to come made, unless because his working power and knowledge embraced the number of all the ages? For as he calls things that are not as though they were, so he made the things to come as though they were; because it cannot happen that they should not be, but the things he commanded to be are necessarily to come. So he who made the things to come knew them in the way in which they are to come. If this is so of the ages, much more is it to be believed of the day of judgment, that the Son of God has knowledge of it as of something already made by him; for it is written: “By your ordinance the day will continue.” And he did not only say “continues” but “will continue,” so that the things that are to come may be governed by his ordinance. Does he not know, then, what he ordained? “He who planted the ear, will he not hear? He who formed the eye, does he not see?” Let us see, however, whether there is anything great that could escape its Creator; and let them choose whether they think it something great and more excellent than other things, or something very small and abject. If very small and abject, it is no slight, to speak in our way, not to know cheap and petty things; for since it belongs to power to know the greatest things, he seems rather to have disdained the cheapness of a mean work. He is excused, then, by disdain, not defrauded of power. But if they think it a great and supreme thing to know the day of judgment, let them say what is greater or better than God the Father. The Son knows God the Father, as he himself says: “No one knows the Father but the Son, and anyone to whom the Son wills to reveal him.” Does he know the Father, I say, and not know the day? Do you believe, then, that he reveals the Father and cannot reveal the day? Next, since you make certain grades, so as to set the Father above the Son and the Son above the Spirit, tell me whether the Holy Spirit knows the day of judgment; for nothing is written of him in this place. You certainly deny it. What if I show that he knows? For it is read: “But God has revealed it to us through his Spirit; for the Spirit searches all things, even the depths of God.” Certainly, since he searches the depths of God, as God knows the day of judgment, the Spirit too knows it. For he knows all the things that God knows, as the Apostle declares, saying: “For who among men knows the things of a man, except the spirit of the man which is in him? So also no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God.” Take care, then, lest by denying that the Holy Spirit knows, you deny that the Father knows too; for what belongs to God, the Spirit of God knows; and what the Spirit of God does not know certainly does not belong to God; or else, by confessing that the Spirit of God knows what you deny that the Son knows, you set the Spirit above the Son against your own assertion. But this doubt is not only sacrilegious but also inept. Now let us consider by what ways knowledge is gathered, and show that the Son himself demonstrated that he knew the day. For what we know, we declare by time, or by place, or by signs, or by persons, or by order. How, then, did he not know the day of judgment, who set out the hour of the judgment, and the place, and the signs, and the causes? Indeed you have it thus: “In that hour, let him who is on the housetop not come down to take his goods from his house; and let him who is in the field likewise not turn back.” So far did he know the outcome of the dangers to come that he even pointed out safeguards to those in danger. Could the Lord be ignorant of the day, who said of himself that the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath? He also indicated the place elsewhere, when, as the disciples showed him the buildings of the temple, he said: “Do you see all these? Amen I say to you, not a stone will be left upon a stone that will not be thrown down.” Asked also by the apostles about the sign, he answered: “See that you are not led astray. For many will come in my name, saying, I am the Christ”; and further on: “There will be great earthquakes in various places, and famines and pestilences, and terrors from heaven, and there will be great signs.” So he set out both the persons and the signs. And in what manner he says that armies will surround Jerusalem and that the times of the nations will be fulfilled, and in what order, is disclosed by the witness of the Gospel reading. He knew, then, all things.

Acts 1:7 (allusion, high confidence) · Rom 9:5 (allusion, high confidence) · Ps 73:5 (72:5 Vulg.) (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 73:6 (72:6 Vulg.) (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 73:7 (72:7 Vulg.) (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 73:8 (72:8 Vulg.) (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 73:9 (72:9 Vulg.) (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 73:11 (72:11 Vulg.) (quotation, high confidence) · Mark 13:32 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 24:36 (allusion, high confidence) · Col 2:3 (quotation, high confidence) · Job 38:31 (allusion, medium confidence) · Ps 147:4 (146:4 Vulg.) (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 104:24 (103:24 Vulg.) (allusion, high confidence) · 1 Cor 1:24 (quotation, high confidence) · Isa 45:11 (quotation, medium confidence) · Heb 1:2 (quotation, high confidence) · Heb 1:3 (quotation, high confidence) · Rom 4:17 (allusion, high confidence) · Ps 119:91 (118:91 Vulg.) (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 94:9 (93:9 Vulg.) (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 11:27 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Cor 2:10 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Cor 2:11 (quotation, high confidence) · Luke 17:31 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 12:8 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 24:2 (quotation, high confidence) · Luke 21:8 (quotation, high confidence) · Luke 21:11 (quotation, high confidence) · Luke 21:20 (allusion, high confidence) · Luke 21:24 (allusion, high confidence)

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Summary: Ambrose answers the Arian use of Mark 13:32 (“nor the Son”) by noting that older Greek manuscripts of Matthew lack the words, by explaining them of Christ’s human nature, and by arguing that the Creator of the ages, who foretold the signs, the place, and the order of the end, cannot be ignorant of the day.

  • The digital text begins this chapter with Migne’s chapter summary and his note of another chapter division, removed by a logged correction. On the text: some ancient Greek manuscripts of Matt 24:36 lack “nor the Son,” which Mark 13:32 has; Ambrose says the older Greek manuscripts lack it and accuses the Arians of interpolation; his claim, translated as written. Quotations and allusions: Acts 1:7; Rom 9:5; Ps 73:5–9, 11 (LXX 72:5–9, 11); Mark 13:32 (Matt 24:36); Col 2:3; Job 38:31–32; Ps 147:4 (LXX 146:4); Ps 104:24; 1 Cor 1:24; Isa 45:11 (LXX); Heb 1:2–3; Rom 4:17; Ps 119:91 (LXX 118:91); Ps 94:9 (LXX 93:9); Matt 11:27; 1 Cor 2:10–11; Luke 17:31; Matt 12:8; Matt 24:2; Luke 21:8, 11, 20, 24.

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  • Digital text corrected (Migne's chapter summary and his note of another chapter division; OCR slip; OCR slip and inline footnote letter; OCR slips, inline footnote letters and column number; inline footnote letter; inline footnote letter and OCR slip; inline footnote letter and OCR slips; inline footnote letter or column number of the digitization; paragraph number and OCR slips; stray mark and column number): tare homin! → tare homini; Eum qui sæcula fecerit, futurum non posse Mon cognoscere, et mullo minus diem judicii. Sive quid magnum sit ea cognitio, sive quid paruum, eam Filio Mon negandam; immo neque etiam Spiritui sancto. De­ mum his addit varia signa, quibus hæc scientia inesse Christo colligi potest. [Alias cap. VII.] → ; Quos euim alios → Quos enim alios; Non cnim est → Non enim est; est aulem Deus → est autem Deus; Videtc quemadmodum → Videte quemadmodum; hujus­ cemodi → hujusmodi; derogent,. perhorrescat → derogent, perhorrescat; obtinuit eo. superbia → obtinuit eos superbia; iniquitate <:t impietate aMa → iniquitate et impietate sua; ar' bitrantur → arbitrantur; dispositioni est a subjec­ tus → dispositioni est subjectus; Bunt in usu hominum, ct *' successione → sunt in usu hominum, et successione; cveuire → evenire; locuti sunt nequitiam → locuti sunt nequitiam; et locuti sunt nequitiam, iniquitatem → et locuti sunt nequitiam, iniquitatem; Cogitaverunt, iuquit → Cogitaverunt, inquit; ex, similitudine M6 humanæ → ex similitudine humanæ; coeles­ lis → cœlestis; dici et horæ → diei et horæ; ea qua: spectant → ea quæ spectant; De die autem ilIo et hora nemo <cf<, neque angeli cœlorum, nee Filius → De die autem illo et hora nemo scit, neque angeli cœlorum, nec Filius; thesaur! sapientiae et scientie → thesauri sapientiæ et scientiæ; scire nOli. poterit → scire non poterit; ot!que perrectus in principio crat → utique perfectus in principio erat; sapien- Lire Dei → sapientiæ Dei; ex parle cognoscimus → ex parte cognoscimus; atHer civitatis → aliter civitatis; viGilia procedat a Arcturus, 587 quales ortus exp)oret0rionis; non tamen b colliga­ tiones → vigilia procedat Arcturus, quales ortus exploret Orionis; non tamen colligationes; seulit → sentit; causas.'Et ideo → causas. Et ideo; no­ vil ergo → novit ergo; L'ceL inepta sil → Licet inepta sit; adventuro sunt ( Esai. XLV, ti) → adventura sunt ( Esai. XLV, 11); Per quem at facta sunt sæcula, splendor eat gloriæ → Per quem et facta sunt sæcula, splendor est gloriæ; praetrita → præterita; futura sunt.- Quomodo → futura sunt. Quomodo; quæ sim; e quia non → quæ sint; quia non; fecit qux futura sum → fecit quæ futura sunt; lia­ beat → habeat; f permanebit die. ( Psal. CXVIII, 9i ) → permanebit dies ( Psal. CXVIII, 91 ); gubernentur.Quaedisposuit → gubernentur. Quæ disposuit; nor: considerat → non considerat; 20C. Videamus tamen IIC quid forte magnum sir → Videamus tamen ne quid forte magnum sit; inju. ria, ut nostro usn → injuria, ut nostro usu; pperis → operis; melius si!. → melius sit.; Nemό novit Patrem M!<! Filius → Nemo novit Patrem nisi Filius; Pn­ trem → Patrem; Spiritni → Spiritui; No­ his autem → Nobis autem; Spiritu. enim omnia scrutatur, eliam alta → Spiritus enim omnia scrutatur, etiam alta; novit. sicut Apostolus → novit, sicut Apostolus; Quis enim att hominum → Quis enim scit hominum; nisi <p!r!­ tus hominis qui ill ipso → nisi spiritus hominis qui in ipso; g ne:-Iut negando → ne aut negando; cognovit ct Dei Spiritus → cognovit et Dei Spiritus; eliam inepta → etiam inepta; ))ahes → habes; Mon descendat → non descendat; c< qui in agro → et qui in agro; igilur → igitur; eliam praesidia → etiam præsidia; bominis h Dominus → hominis Dominus; etiam atihi designavit, eum, sibi → etiam alibi designavit, cum, sibi; dt­ ceret → diceret; vobi., Mon re­ linquetur → vobis, non relinquetur; quoqne → quoque; ego aun: Chr istus ( Lue. SII, 8) → ego sum Christus ( Luc. XXI, 8); influit → inquit; ert<n< (Ibid.; ii) → erunt (Ibid., 11); vet circumdaturos eterci­ tus → vel circumdaturos exercitus; attestotione → attestatione; morant, c → morant,; Primum d → Primum; secundum e → secundum; quasi c → quasi; omnia d → omnia; creditis 588 → creditis.

Topics: Christology, Eschatology, Trinity

Cite (SBL): Ambrose, Fid. 5.16 (PL 16:637a–639b; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/ambrose-fide/5-16/#p-5-16). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin of Migne's Patrologia Latina 16 (digital text, Open Greek and Latin; corrections logged), then compared section by section with the public-domain English of NPNF² 10 (de Romestin, 1896); differences checked against the Latin.

5.17PL 16:639b–640c

Sed quærimus qua ratione designare mo­ menta noluerit ( Luc. XIX, 43). Si quæramus, non ignorantiæ inveniemus esse, sed sapientiae. Nobis enim scire non proderat; ut dum certa futuri judicii momenta nescimus, semper tamquam in excubiis constituti, et in quadam virtutis specula collocati, peccandi consuetudinem declinemus; ne nos inter vitia dies Domini deprehendat. Non enim prodest scire, sed metuere quod futurum est; scriptum est enim: Noli altum sapere, sed time. Nam si diem designasset expresse, uni aetati hominum quæ proxima erat judicio, videretur di­ sciplinam præscripsisse vivendi; superioris temporis aut justus esset remissior, aut peccator securior. Namque adulter nisi quotidianam poenam metuat, non potest ab adulterandi cupiditate desinere: nec latro obsessorum saltuum secreta deserere, nisi sciat sibi momentis omnibus imminere supplicium. Plerumque enim quibus incentivum est impunitas, timor tædio est. Ideo ergo dixi quia scire non proderat, immo proderat ignorare; ut ignorantes timeremus, ut ob­ servantes emendaremur, sicut ipse dixit: Estote parati, quia nescitis qua hora Filius hominis venturus est. Namque miles nisi bellum in manibus esse cognoscat, prætendere non novit in castris. Unde alibi quoque ipse Dominus interrogatus ab apostolis, inquam, qui utique non sicut Arius intelligebant, sed Filium Dei futura scire credebant; nam nisi hoc credidissent, numquam interrogassent: interrogatus ergo quando restitueret regnum Israel, non se nescire dixit, sed ait: Non est vestrum scire tempora et annos, quæ Pater posuit in sua potestate ( Act, I, 7). Attende quid dixerit: Non est vestrum scire. Lege iterum: Non est vestrum. Vestrum dixit, non meum; jam enim non secundum perfectionem, sed secundum profectum humani corporis ac nostrae anime loquebatur. Vestrum ergo dixit, non meum. Quod et Apostolus secutus: De temporibus autem et momentis, fratres, non habetis, inquit, opus ut vobis scribamus (I Thess. v, 1). Itaque ne Apostolus quidem ipse Christi servus dixit se nescire momenta, sed non opus esse doceri populum qui semper spiritalibus munimentis esse debet armatos; ut virtus Christi in unoquoque praetendat. Cum autem dicit Dominus: De temporibus quæ Pater posuit in sua potestate, utique non potest exsors esse scientiae paternæ, cujus nequaquam exsors est po­ testatis; cum potestas ex sapientia et virtute signetur, quod utrumque Chr istus est. Sed quæritis qua causa non ita discipulis ne­ gaverit, quasi sciret et nollet dicere, sed neque Angelos, neque Filium scire memoraverit? Interrogabo vos et ego, qua causa in Genesi Deus dicat: Descendam itaque, ut videam secundum clamorem illorum venientem ad me, si consummabun­ tur: sin autem, ut sciam? Qua causa etiam Scriptura de Domino dicat: Et descendit Do­ minus videre civitatem et turrim, quam ædificarent filii hominum? Qua causa etiam dicat Propheta in Psalterio: Dominus respexit super filios hominum, si est intelligens, aut requirens Deum (Psal. Ln, 3); quasi et illic si non descenderet Deus, et hic si non prospiceret Dominus, aut opera hominum ignoraret aut merita? Sed etiam in Evangelio habes secundum Lucam, quia Pater dicit: Quid faciam? Mittam Fi­ lium meum dilectissimum, forsitan hunc verebuntur. Secundum Matthæum autem, et secundum Marcum habes: Quoniam misit unicum Fi­ lium suum, dicens: Verebuntur Filium meum ( Matt. xx!, 37; Marc. III, 6). In uno libro dicit: Forsitan verebuntur, et quasi nesciens dubitat; nam hic sermo dubitantis est: in duobus autem aliis libris: Verebuntur, inquit, Filium meum; hoc est, confirmat reverentiam deferendam. Sed neque dubitare Dei est, neque falli; dubitat enim, qui ignorat quod futurum est: fallitur autem, qui aliud praedixit, et aliud est secutum. Quid autem evidentius, quam, quod Scriptura habet aliud Patrem dixisse de Filio, et aliud accidisse eadem Scriptura testatur? Ille dixit: Verebuntur Fi­ lium meum: Filius autem vapulavit, illusus est, cru­ cifixus est, mortuus est; multoque illis servis qui prius fuerant destinati, graviora secundum carnem passus est. Fefellit igitur Pater, an ignoravit, vel subvenire non potuit? Sed verus nescit fallere; scriptum est enim: Fidelis Deus qui non mentitur ( Tit. i, 2). Quomodo autem ignoravit, qui novit omnia? Aut quid non potuit, qui omnia potest? Tamen si aut ignoravit, aut non potuit (fa­ cilius enim acquiescitis, ut dicatis Patrem ignorasse, quam confiteamini Filium scisse), videtis quia ex hoc ipso unius substantiæ est Filius cum Patre; si quemadmodum Pater, ita et Filius, ut secundum vestram insipientiam loquar, aut non omnia novit, aut non omnia potest. Non sum enim avarus aut præceps circa Filii laudes, ut plus audeam dicere Filium posse quam Patrem, qui nullam inter Pa­ trem et Filium discretionem facio potestatis. Sed fortasse dicatis, non ita dixisse Patrem, sed de Patre Filium fefellisse. Jam ergo non solum infirmitatis Filium, sed etiam sacrilegii et mendacii arguitis. Verumtamen si non creditis de Patre Filio, nec de eo credatis; si enim fallere nos voluit, quia dixit dubitasse Patrem, quasi nesciret quod esset futurum: fallere ergo etiam de se nos voluit, qui futura nescire se dixit; multoque tolerabilius ad pudorem, si ignorantiam ante prætendit, quod de se facit, quam si contrario promissis lusus videatur effectu, quod de Patre prædicavit. Sed neque fallitur Pater, neque fallit Filius: verum ea est in Scripturis consuetudo divinis, sicut et superiora, et multa alia exempla testantur, ut Deus dissimulet se nescire quod novit. Et in hoc ergo unitas divinitatis, et unitas dispositionis in Patre probatur et Filio, si quemadmodum Deus Pater co­ gnita dissimulat, ita Filius etiam in hoc imago Dei, quæ sibi sunt nota dissimulet.

But we ask why he did not wish to indicate the moments. If we inquire, we shall find that this came not from ignorance but from wisdom. For it was not profitable for us to know; so that, while we do not know the fixed moments of the future judgment, we may always be as though posted on guard and set on a watchtower of virtue, and avoid the habit of sinning, lest the day of the Lord should catch us among our vices. For it does not profit us to know what is to come, but to fear it; for it is written: “Do not be high-minded, but fear.” For if he had indicated the day expressly, he would seem to have prescribed a rule of life for one generation of men only, the one nearest to the judgment; and in earlier times the righteous man would have been slacker or the sinner more secure. For the adulterer, unless he fears punishment every day, cannot give up the desire of adultery; nor can the robber leave the hiding places of the woods he infests unless he knows that punishment threatens him at every moment. For those to whom impunity is an incentive generally find fear a burden. So I said that it was not profitable to know, indeed that it was profitable not to know; so that, not knowing, we might fear, and, keeping watch, we might be amended, as he himself said: “Be ready, for you do not know at what hour the Son of Man will come.” For a soldier, unless he knows that war is at hand, does not know how to keep guard in camp. Hence elsewhere too the Lord himself, when he was asked by the apostles (the apostles, I say, who certainly did not understand as Arius does, but believed that the Son of God knew the future; for if they had not believed this, they would never have asked), when he was asked, then, when he would restore the kingdom to Israel, did not say that he did not know, but said: “It is not yours to know the times or the years which the Father has placed in his own power.” Notice what he said: “It is not yours to know.” Read it again: “It is not yours.” He said “yours,” not “mine”; for now he was speaking not according to perfection but according to the growth of the human body and of our soul. He said, then, “yours,” not “mine.” The Apostle too followed this: “But concerning the times and moments, brothers,” he says, “you have no need that we write to you.” So not even the Apostle himself, the servant of Christ, said that he did not know the moments, but that there was no need for the people to be taught, who ought always to be armed with spiritual defenses, so that the power of Christ may stand guard in each one. And when the Lord speaks of the times which the Father has placed in his own power, he certainly cannot be without share in the Father’s knowledge, since he is by no means without share in his power; for power is signified by wisdom and might, and Christ is both. But you ask why he did not refuse the disciples in such a way as to show that he knew and would not tell, but said that neither the angels nor the Son knew. I too will ask you why God says in Genesis: “I will go down, then, to see whether they have done altogether according to the cry that comes to me; and if not, that I may know.” Why does Scripture also say of the Lord: “And the Lord came down to see the city and the tower which the sons of men were building”? Why does the prophet also say in the Psalter: “The Lord looked down upon the sons of men, to see if there were any who understood or sought God”; as though there, if God did not come down, and here, if the Lord did not look down, he would be ignorant of the works or merits of men? But in the Gospel too you have, according to Luke, that the Father says: “What shall I do? I will send my most beloved Son; perhaps they will respect him.” But according to Matthew and according to Mark you have: “He sent his only Son, saying: They will respect my Son.” In one book he says, “Perhaps they will respect him,” and doubts as though he did not know; for this is the speech of one who doubts; but in the other two books he says, “They will respect my Son”; that is, he affirms that reverence ought to be paid. But it does not belong to God either to doubt or to be deceived; for he doubts who does not know what is to come; and he is deceived who has foretold one thing when another followed. And what is plainer than that Scripture has the Father saying one thing about the Son, while the same Scripture testifies that another thing happened? He said, “They will respect my Son”; but the Son was beaten, mocked, crucified, killed; and he suffered according to the flesh much more grievously than those servants who had been sent before. Did the Father, then, deceive, or was he ignorant, or was he unable to help? But the True cannot deceive; for it is written: “God is faithful, who does not lie.” And how was he ignorant who knows all things? Or what could he not do, who can do all things? Yet if he was either ignorant or unable (for you agree more readily to say that the Father was ignorant than to confess that the Son knew), you see that from this very fact the Son is of one substance with the Father; if, as the Father, so also the Son, to speak according to your folly, either does not know all things or cannot do all things. For I am not grasping or rash about the Son’s praises, so as to dare to say that the Son can do more than the Father, I who make no distinction of power between the Father and the Son. But perhaps you say that the Father did not say this, but that the Son deceived us about the Father. Then you accuse the Son not only of weakness but also of sacrilege and lying. But if you do not believe the Son about the Father, do not believe him about himself either; for if he wished to deceive us by saying that the Father doubted, as though he did not know what would come, then he also wished to deceive us about himself, when he said that he did not know the future; and it is much more tolerable to his modesty if he put forward ignorance, as he did about himself, than if he should seem to be mocked by an outcome contrary to his promises, as he foretold of the Father. But neither is the Father deceived nor does the Son deceive; but this is the custom in the divine Scriptures, as both the examples above and many others testify, that God pretends not to know what he knows. In this too, then, the unity of divinity and the unity of purpose is proved in the Father and the Son, if, as God the Father conceals what he knows, so the Son too, being in this also the image of God, conceals what he knows.

Rom 11:20 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 24:44 (quotation, high confidence) · Acts 1:6 (allusion, high confidence) · Acts 1:7 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Thess 5:1 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Cor 1:24 (allusion, high confidence) · Gen 18:21 (quotation, high confidence) · Gen 11:5 (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 14:2 (13:2 Vulg.) (quotation, high confidence) · Luke 20:13 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 21:37 (quotation, high confidence) · Mark 12:6 (quotation, high confidence) · Titus 1:2 (quotation, high confidence) · Mark 13:32 (allusion, high confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: Ambrose argues that Christ withheld the day of judgment for our profit, so that we should always be watchful, and that Scripture often speaks of God as asking or not knowing what he knows, as with the Father’s “perhaps they will respect my Son.”

  • The digital text begins this chapter with the end of Migne’s chapter summary, removed by a logged correction. Quotations and allusions: Rom 11:20; Matt 24:44; Acts 1:6–7; 1 Thess 5:1; 1 Cor 1:24; Gen 18:21; Gen 11:5; Ps 14:2 (LXX 13:2); Luke 20:13; Matt 21:37 (Mark 12:6); Titus 1:2. “Do not be high-minded” renders a damaged phrase (NoM alta.opere), read as Rom 11:20.

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  • Digital text corrected (OCR slip; OCR slips and paragraph number; column number; column number and OCR slip; end of Migne's chapter summary; inline footnote letter or column number of the digitization; stray mark and OCR slips): Urgentibus pero eur ita < esponderit discipulis ac si nescisset, alii. loci quibus Patri eadem tribui videtur ignoratio, opponun­ <Mr; ex quibus M ignorantiam impotentiamve in Patre illi admittant, hinc in Filio eamdem quæ in Putre sub­ slantiam admittendam eMe contra ipsos arguit Ambrosius; nisi lamen malint mendacii accusare Filium; cum neque in hunc neque in Patrem cadat fallere, aed memoratis locis utriusque unitus designetur. → ; inveniemus essei → inveniemus esse; prodetal → proderat; in excublis constituti, et ill q'<ada<n virtUs specula → in excubiis constituti, et in quadam virtutis specula; scriptum est enitn: NoM alta.opere → scriptum est enim: Noli altum sapere; bominum que proxima → hominum quæ proxima; enintquibus → enim quibus; Estote pat­ rati → Estote parati; venturus tit → venturus est; praetendere non 'noti' in castris. it!. Undo alibi qaoque → prætendere non novit in castris. Unde alibi quoque; uHque non sicut Arios in­ telligebant → utique non sicut Arius intelligebant; fotura scIre → futura scire; interrcgatus → interrogatus; posuit ill tua potestate → posuit in sua potestate; Non eat vestrum → Non est vestrum; Lege ilerum: Non at vestrum → Lege iterum: Non est vestrum; nOli meum → non meum; seeundum profectum → secundum profectum; ROn meum → non meum; (! The... v, i). itaque ne Apo­ stolus → (I Thess. v, 1). Itaque ne Apostolus; neactre → nescire; populum 580 qui → populum qui; or­ malos → armatos; Unoquoque → unoquoque; que Pater posuit in tua potestate → quæ Pater posuit in sua potestate; paterna:, cujus → paternæ, cujus; cutn potestas ex sapientia et virtute ligna­ mr → cum potestas ex sapientia et virtute signetur; noh ita → non ita; nollet dicere! sed ne'lue An­ gelus → nollet dicere, sed neque Angelos; aiu autem, t<< sciam → sin autem, ut sciam; cHam Scriptura → etiam Scriptura; eiitm dicat → etiam dicat; Ps:<t)erio → Psalterio; si eat intelligens → si est intelligens; et hie si non → et hic si non; Dommus → Dominus; eliam in Evangelio → etiam in Evangelio; Matthæum, autem → Matthæum autem; QuoniaM misit → Quoniam misit; autent aliis → autem aliis; neque Calli; du' bitat → neque falli; dubitat; fulturum → futurum; Scriptura babet → Scriptura habet; Scrip'ura → Scriptura; ittusus → illusus; mutoque → multoque; Fefellit igi­ tur Pater. an ignoravit → Fefellit igitur Pater, an ignoravit; Fidelia Deus → Fidelis Deus; nun potuit → non potuit; Ii ex hoe ipso unius substantia: est → ex hoc ipso unius substantiæ est; ant non omnia potest. Nou sum → aut non omnia potest. Non sum; prapceps → præceps; P;)trem → Patrem; 591 nOD solum → non solum; si euim fallere → si enim fallere; diiit → dixit; fallere ergo e:i'm de se noa vul. qui:, futura → fallere ergo etiam de se nos voluit, qui futura; tote­ rabilius → tolerabilius; qnam si *' contrario → quam si contrario; vermn ea est → verum ea est; imago Dci, quæ sibi sunt nola → imago Dei, quæ sibi sunt nota; potest a → potest; divinitatis, c → divinitatis,.

Topics: Christology, Eschatology

Cite (SBL): Ambrose, Fid. 5.17 (PL 16:639b–640c; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/ambrose-fide/5-16/#p-5-17). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin of Migne's Patrologia Latina 16 (digital text, Open Greek and Latin; corrections logged), then compared section by section with the public-domain English of NPNF² 10 (de Romestin, 1896); differences checked against the Latin.

5.18PL 16:640c–641a

Edoctum est igitur non ignorasse Dei Filium quæ futura sunt. Quod si fatentur, et ego, ut jam respondeam qua ratione neque angelos, neque Filium, sed Patrem scire memoravit, solemnem ejus in discipulos charitatem etiam in hoc loco et gratiam recognosco, quod ex frequentia ipsa de­ bet omnibus esse jam cognitum. Mavult enim Dominus nimio in discipulos amore propensus, petentibus his quæ cognitu inutilia judicaret, videri ignorare quod noverat, quam negare; plusque amat nostram utilitatem instruere, quam suam potentiam demon­ strare. Sunt tamen plerique non ita timidiores, ut ego; malo enim alta timere, quam sapere: sunt ta­ men plerique eo freti, quod scriptum est: Et Jesus proficiebat ætate et sapientia et gratia apud Deum et homines, qui dicam confidenter quod se­ cundum divinitatem quidem ea quæ futura sunt, igno­ rare non potuit, sed secundum nostrae conditionis assumptionem ignorare se quasi Filium hominis ante crucem dixit. Etenim cum Filium dicit, non quasi de alio dicit; nam ipse est et Dominus noster Dei Filius, et Filius Virginis: sed medio verbo nostrum informat affectum, ut quasi hominis filius secundum susceptionem nostræ imprudentiæ, vel profectus, non plene adhuc scisse omnia crederetur; non enim est nostrum scire quæ futura sunt. Eadem igitur videtur ignorare conditione, qua proficit: nam quomodo secundum divinitatem proficit, in quo ha­ bitat plenitudo divinitatis ( Coloss. II, 9 )! Aut quid est quod nesciat Dei Filius qui dicebat: Quid cogitatis mala in cordibus vestris (Matth. IX, 4)? Quomodo nesciat, de quo dicit Scriptura: Jesus autem norat cogitationes eorum (Luc. VI, 8)? Hæc tamen alii dicant: ego autem ut ad superiora redeam, qui proposuerim scriptum quia Pater, dixit: Fortasse reverebuntur Filium meum (Luc. xx, 13); quod utique ideo arbitror positum; ut quia de hominibus loquebatur Pater, humano locutus vi­ deatur affectu: multo magis arbitror quia Filius qui cum hominibus conversatus est, et hominem egit, et carnem suscepit, nostrum assumpsit affectum; ut nos­ tra ignoratione nescire se diceret, non quia aliquid ipse nesciret. Nam etsi homo in veritate corporis vi­ debatur; erat tamen vita, erat lux, et virtus exibat de eo, quæ vulnera sauciorum majestatis suæ aucto­ ritate sanabat. Advertitis ergo quæstionem vobis esse sub­ latam, cum et Filii dictum ad susceptionem inte­ grae conditionis referatur humanæ, et de Patre ideo scriptum sit, ut vel sic calumniari Filio desinatis. Nihil ergo fuit quod ignoraverit Dei Filius; nihil enim fuit quod ignoraverit Pater. Quod si nihil et Filius ignoravit, ut jam concludamus, dicant in quo eum minorem velint videri. Si minorem genera­ vit Deus Filium, minus contulit; si minus contulit, aut minus voluit, aut minus potuit: sed nec infirmus nec invidus Pater; quia nec voluntas ante Filium, nec potestas: in quo enim minor, qui omnia habet quae Pater habet? Nam et omnia a Patre jure generationis accepit, et totum Patrem gloria suae majestatis expressit. Scriptum est, inquiunt: Quoniam Pater ma­ jor me est (Joan. XIV, 28). Sed scriptum est: Non rapi­ nam arbitratus est se esse æqualem Deo (Philip. II, 6). Scriptum est quod propterea volebant illum Judæi occidere, quia Filium se dicebat Dei, æqualem se fa­ dens Deo (Joan. v, 18). Scriptum est: Ego et Pater unum sumus. Unum legunt, multa non legunt. Numquid ergo et minor et æqualis per naturam eamdem potest esse? Sed aliud ad divinitatem refertur, aliud ad carnem. Minorem dicunt: quæro quis mensus sit, quis tam exaltati cordis, qui velut ante tribunal suum Patrem Deum et Filium constituat; ut de prælatione dijudicet? Non est exaltatum cor meum, neque in va­ num elati sunt oculi mei, David dicit (Psal. CXXX, 1). Rex David exaltare cor metuit in rebus humanis, nos exaltamus adversus divina secreta. Quis igitur judicat de Dei Filio? Throni, Dominationes, Angeli, Potestates? Sed famulantur et serviunt Archangeli, sed ministrant Cherubim et Seraphim, sed lau­ dant. Quis igitur judicat de Dei Filio, cum legerit quia ipse Pater noverit Filium, non judicet; Nemo enim novit Filium, nisi Pater. Novit, inquit, non judicat. Aliud est nosse, aliud judicare. Habet Pater in se scientiam, Filius supra se non habet potestatem. Et rursus: Nemo novit Patrem, nisi Filius; et ipse novit Patrem, sicut eum Pater novit. Sed dicis quia minorem se dixit (Joan. XIV, 28): dixit et lapidem. Plus dicis, et impie calumniaris: minus dico, et pie astruo. Minorem dicis, et supra angelos confiteris: ego minorem angelis dico, et non derogo; quia non divinitatem arguo, sed miseri­ cordiam praedico.

It has been shown, then, that the Son of God was not ignorant of the things to come. If they grant this, I too, to answer now on what account he said that neither the angels nor the Son but the Father knew, recognize in this place also his customary love and grace toward the disciples, which by its very frequency ought already to be known to all. For the Lord, inclined by an exceeding love toward his disciples, when they asked things which he judged useless to know, prefers to seem not to know what he knew rather than to refuse; and he loves to build up our profit more than to display his own power. There are many, however, who are not so timid as I (for I prefer to fear high things rather than to presume to know them); yet there are many who, relying on what is written, “And Jesus advanced in age and wisdom and grace with God and men,” say confidently that according to his divinity he could not be ignorant of the things to come, but that according to his assumption of our condition he said before the cross that he did not know, as Son of Man. For when he says “Son,” he does not speak as of another; for he himself is both our Lord, the Son of God, and the Son of the Virgin; but by a word that stands between the two he takes on our condition of feeling, so that as son of man, according to his taking up of our ignorance, or his growth, he might be believed not yet to know all things fully; for it is not ours to know the things that are to come. He seems, then, to be ignorant under the same condition under which he advances; for how could he advance according to his divinity, he in whom dwells the fullness of the divinity? Or what is there that the Son of God does not know, who said: “Why do you think evil in your hearts?” How should he not know, of whom Scripture says: “But Jesus knew their thoughts”? Others, however, will say these things. But I, to return to what I said above, having set forth the text in which the Father said, “Perhaps they will respect my Son,” think that it was written for this reason: that, since the Father was speaking of men, he might seem to have spoken with human feeling. Much more, I think, did the Son, who lived among men, acted as a man, and took on flesh, assume our feeling, so as to say that he did not know by our ignorance, not because he himself was ignorant of anything. For although he was seen as a man in the reality of a body, yet he was life, he was light, and power went out from him which by the authority of his majesty healed the wounds of the injured. You see, then, that the question has been taken away from you, since the Son’s saying is referred to his taking up of the whole human condition, and the saying about the Father was written so that even in this way you might cease to slander the Son. There was nothing, then, of which the Son of God was ignorant; for there was nothing of which the Father was ignorant. But if the Son too was ignorant of nothing, then, to conclude, let them say in what they would have him seem less. If God begot the Son less, he bestowed less; if he bestowed less, either he willed less or he was able to do less. But the Father is neither weak nor envious; for neither will nor power was before the Son. In what, then, is he less, who has all that the Father has? For he received all things from the Father by right of generation, and expressed the whole Father by the glory of his majesty. “It is written,” they say: “For the Father is greater than I.” But it is written: “He did not count it robbery to be equal with God.” It is written that the Jews therefore sought to kill him, because he said that he was the Son of God, making himself equal to God. It is written: “I and the Father are one.” They read one thing; many they do not read. Can the same one, then, be both less and equal according to the same nature? But one thing refers to the divinity, another to the flesh. They say he is less. I ask who has measured; who is of so exalted a heart that he would set God the Father and the Son as though before his own tribunal, to decide which takes precedence? “My heart is not exalted, nor are my eyes lifted up in vain,” says David. King David feared to exalt his heart in human affairs; we exalt ourselves against the divine secrets. Who, then, judges of the Son of God? Thrones, Dominions, Angels, Powers? But the archangels attend and serve, the Cherubim and Seraphim minister and praise. Who, then, judges of the Son of God, when he has read that the Father himself knows the Son and does not judge him: “For no one knows the Son except the Father”? “Knows,” he says, not “judges.” To know is one thing, to judge another. The Father has knowledge in himself; the Son has no power above himself. And again: “No one knows the Father except the Son”; and he knows the Father as the Father knows him. But you say that he called himself less; he also called himself a stone. You say more, and slander impiously; I say less, and assert devoutly. You call him less, and yet confess him above the angels; I call him less than the angels, and do not detract from him, because I do not accuse his divinity but proclaim his mercy.

Mark 13:32 (allusion, high confidence) · Luke 2:52 (quotation, high confidence) · Col 2:9 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 9:4 (quotation, high confidence) · Luke 6:8 (quotation, high confidence) · Luke 20:13 (quotation, high confidence) · Luke 6:19 (allusion, high confidence) · John 14:28 (quotation, high confidence) · Phil 2:6 (quotation, high confidence) · John 5:18 (quotation, high confidence) · John 10:30 (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 131:1 (130:1 Vulg.) (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 11:27 (quotation, high confidence) · John 10:15 (allusion, high confidence) · Ps 118:22 (allusion, medium confidence) · Heb 2:9 (allusion, high confidence)

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Summary: Ambrose gives two explanations of “nor the Son” (love that withholds useless knowledge, and the human condition Christ assumed), then argues that the Son, who has all that the Father has, is less only according to the flesh, and that no creature may sit in judgment on the Father and the Son.

  • The digital text begins this chapter with the end of Migne’s chapter summary, removed by a logged correction. “I prefer to fear high things rather than to presume to know them” reads alta for the printed alia (“to fear other things”), as an echo of Rom 11:20. The reference printed as John 14:26 is John 14:28. Quotations and allusions: Mark 13:32; Luke 2:52; Col 2:9; Matt 9:4; Luke 6:8; Luke 20:13; Luke 6:19; John 14:28; Phil 2:6; John 5:18; John 10:30; Ps 131:1 (LXX 130:1); Col 1:16; Matt 11:27; John 10:15; Ps 118:22; Heb 2:9 (Ps 8:5).

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  • Digital text corrected (OCR slip; OCR slip (alia for alta, cf. Rom 11:20); OCR slip and column number; OCR slips and column number; end of Migne's chapter summary; inline footnote letter or column number of the digitization): illud indulgentiæ Christi acceptum refert, mox alia quorumdam ratione propONit, germanam hanc asse profitetur, quod idem Dominu. ex humano affectu. loculus fuerit. Inde colligit scientiam Patris ac Filii æqualem esse; atque adeo non minorem Patre Filium. Postea ubi textui quo dicitur minor, alium quo æqua­ lis traditur, opposuit; Arianorum de Filio judi­ cantium tenent castigat. et cum illum impie minorem astruerent, ipsuM pie lapidem aba M dici ostendit. → ; jam reo spondeam → jam respondeam; soleM­ nem ejus → solemnem ejus; etiam tit hoe loco → etiam in hoc loco; cognitom → cognitum; DoM­ nus → Dominus; petemibxs his qaae cognito → petentibus his quæ cognitu; malo enim alia timere → malo enim alta timere; qua; futura → quæ futura; ame crucem → ante crucem; cam Filium dicit → cum Filium dicit; profeetus, non 592 plene → profectus, non plene; non euim est nostrum scire qu.efutura sant → non enim est nostrum scire quæ futura sunt; profici., in quo → proficit, in quo; qai dicebat: Quid cogitatia mala ice cordibus vestris (Matth. IS, 4) → qui dicebat: Quid cogitatis mala in cordibus vestris (Matth. IX, 4); cogilationes eorum (Luc. V!, 8) → cogitationes eorum (Luc. VI, 8); Haec tamen alii dicam → Hæc tamen alii dicant; proposoerim → proposuerim; (LMc. xx, 13); quod utiquc ideo arhitror → (Luc. xx, 13); quod utique ideo arbitror; de bominibus → de hominibus; Pa(er..Quod → Pater. Quod; dicant ill quo → dicant in quo; (Joan.x!v, 28) → (Joan. XIV, 28); (Philip. n, 6) → (Philip. II, 6); volebam illum → volebant illum; (Joan. v, i8) → (Joan. v, 18); ctminor et æqualis per nam­ ram eamdem → et minor et æqualis per naturam eamdem; exallatum → exaltatum; (Psa<. cxxx, i) → (Psal. CXXX, 1); Fdio? Throni, Dominationes, Angeli. Potestates?Sed famulantur 533 et → Filio? Throni, Dominationes, Angeli, Potestates? Sed famulantur et; Archan­ ge!i → Archangeli; non babet potestatem → non habet potestatem; (JoaM. xiv, 26) → (Joan. XIV, 28); su­ pra nnge!os → supra angelos; non dcrogo → non derogo; crederetur; d → crederetur;.

Topics: Christology, Trinity

Cite (SBL): Ambrose, Fid. 5.18 (PL 16:640c–641a; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/ambrose-fide/5-16/#p-5-18). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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5.19PL 16:641a–642c

Ad te nunc, omnipotens Pater, cum lacry­ mis verba converto. Ego te quidem inaccessibilem, incomprehensibilem, inæstimabilem prompte dixe­ rim: sed Filium tuum minorent non ausim dicere. Nam cum illum splendorem gloriae, et imaginem substantiæ tuæ legerim; vereor ne mi­ norem imaginem tuae dicendo substantiæ, minorem substantiam tuam dicere videar, cujus imago sit Fi­ lius, cum plenitudo tuæ divinitatis omnis in Filio sit. Immensum te Filiumque tuum et Spiritum sanctum, incircumscriptum, inæstimabilem, inenarrabilem legi frequenter, credo libenter. Et ideo æstimare non possum, ut examinare possim. Esto tamen, spiritu ausuque temerario me­ tiri te velim; unde, quæso, te metiar? Funiculum agrimensorium vidit propheta (Ezech. XL, 3), quo metiebatur angelus Jerusalem. Metiebatur tamen angelus, non Arius: metiebatur Jerusalem, non Deum. Et fortasse nec Jerusalem metiri poterat angelus; vir enim erat. Denique sic habes: Et allevavi oculos, et vidi: et ecce vir, et in manu ejus funi­ culus agrimensorius (Ibid.). Vir erat quia typus sus­ cipiendi corporis declarabatur. Vir erat ille, de quo est dictum: Post me venit vir, cujus non sum dignus solvere corrigiam calceamenti ejus. Ergo Christus in typo Jerusalem metitur, Arius Deum. Et Satanas transfigurat se in angelum lucis; quid mirum si Arius suum imitatur auctorem. ut usurpet illicita (II Cor. XI, 14)? Licet quod Pater suus diabolus per semetipsum non fecit, intolerabiliore iste sacrilegio divinorum sibi scientiam secretorum, et supernæ generationis arcana præsu­ mat; diabolus enim verum Dei Filium fatebatur, Arius negat. Si ergo metiri te, omnipotens Pater, non queo, possumne sine sacrilegio de tuæ generationis disputare secreto? Possumne dicere quod aliquid inter te et Filium tuum plus minusve sit; cum ipse qui ex te natus est, dixerit: Omnia quæ Pater habet mea sunt? Quis me constituit judicem aut divisorem de rebus humanis? Hoc Filius dicit, et nos inter Patrem et Filium divisionem nobis et judi­ cium vindicamus? Bona pietas arbitros refugit etiam in divisione patrimonii. Nos ergo erimus arbitri, ut inter te et Filium tuum increatæ majestatem sub­ stantiae dividamus? Generatio, inquit, hæc, generatio nequam est: signum quærit, et signum non dabitur ei, nisi signum Jonæ prophetæ. Signum utique datur non divinitatis, sed incarnationis. Denique de incarnatione dicturus ait: Pete tibi signum. Et cum ille dixisset: Non petam, neque tentabo Dominum, responsum est: Ecce virgo in utero accipiet. Ergo signum divinitatis videre non pos­ sumus, mensuram quærimus? Væ misero mihi, impie discutere audemus, quem digne rogare non possumus? Viderint tamen quid faciant Ariani: ego te, Pater, si majorem omnibus dixero, injuriose te tuis operibus comparavi: si majorem Filio, ut Arius asserit, impie judicavi. De te prior erit illa senten­ tia, nam neque ulla fieri potest nisi ex compara­ tione prælatio, neque præferri quisquam, nisi de quo prius fuerit judicatum. Jurare nobis per cœlum non licet, judicare de Deo licet: sed Filio tuo soli judi­ cium de omnibus detulisti. Joannes carnem Domini baptizare metuebat, Joannes prohibebat dicens: Ego a te debeo baptizari, et tu venis ad me (Matth. III, 14); et ego Christum judicio, meo subdam? Moyses excusat sacerdotium, Petrus imperatum in ministerio declinat obsequium: Arius scrutatur etiam alia Dei? Sed non Arius Spiritus sanctus: sed Ario et hominibus dictum est: Altiora te ne quæsieris. Moyses vultum Domini prohibetur videre: Arius meruit videre secretum. Moyses et Aaron in sacerdotibus ejus, Moyses qui cum Domino apparet in gloria; Moyses ergo ille pos­ teriora tantummodo Dei in typo vidit: Arius totum Deum facie ad faciem comprehendit. Sed nemo, inquit, videre potest faciem meam, et vivit (Exod. XXXIII, 20). Paulus etiam de inferioribus dicit: Ex parte cognoscimus et ex parte etiam prophetamus (I Cor. XIII, 9). Arius dicit: Ex toto Deum, non ex parte cognovi. Inferior ergo Paulus, quam Arius; et vas electionis ex parte scit, vas perditionis totum scit: Scio, inquit, hominem, sive in corpore, sive extra corpus nescio, Deus scit, quoniam raptus est in paradisum, et audivit verba ineffabilia. Paulus raptus usque ad tertium cœlum, se ipsum nescivit: Arius in stercore volutatus Deum scivit. Paulus dicit de se ipso: Deus scit; Arius de Deo dicit: Ego novi. Sed non Arius raptus in cælum, quamvis eum secutus sit, qui jactatione damnabili di­ vina praesumeret, dicens: Ponam thronum meum super nubes, et ero similis Altissimo; sicut enim ille dixit: Ero similis Altissimo: sic et Arius altissimum Dei Filium sui similem vult videri, quem non in divinitatis æternæ majestate veneratur, sed ex carnis infirmitate metitur.

To you now, almighty Father, I turn my words with tears. I would readily call you inaccessible, incomprehensible, beyond all estimate; but I would not dare to call your Son less. For since I have read that he is the radiance of your glory and the image of your substance, I fear that by calling the image of your substance less I may seem to call your substance less, of which the Son is the image, since the whole fullness of your divinity is in the Son. I have often read, and I gladly believe, that you and your Son and the Holy Spirit are immeasurable, uncircumscribed, beyond estimate, beyond telling. And so I cannot estimate you so as to be able to weigh you. Yet suppose that with a rash spirit and daring I wished to measure you: with what, I ask, should I measure you? The prophet saw a surveyor’s line, with which the angel measured Jerusalem. Yet it was an angel who measured, not Arius; he measured Jerusalem, not God. And perhaps not even an angel could measure Jerusalem; for he was a man. Indeed you have it thus: “And I lifted up my eyes and saw, and behold, a man, and in his hand a surveyor’s line.” He was a man, because a figure of the body to be taken up was being declared. That man was the one of whom it was said: “After me comes a man, the strap of whose sandal I am not worthy to untie.” So Christ in a figure measures Jerusalem; Arius measures God. And Satan transforms himself into an angel of light; what wonder if Arius imitates his author, so as to usurp what is not lawful? Indeed, what his father the devil did not do himself, this man with more intolerable sacrilege presumes: the knowledge of divine secrets and the mysteries of the heavenly generation; for the devil confessed the true Son of God; Arius denies him. If, then, I cannot measure you, almighty Father, can I without sacrilege dispute about the secret of your generation? Can I say that there is any more or less between you and your Son, when he who was born of you said: “All things that the Father has are mine”? “Who made me a judge or divider” in human affairs? The Son says this, and do we claim for ourselves division and judgment between the Father and the Son? Good piety shrinks from arbiters even in the division of an inheritance. Shall we, then, be arbiters, to divide the majesty of the uncreated substance between you and your Son? “This generation,” he says, “is an evil generation; it seeks a sign, and no sign will be given it except the sign of Jonah the prophet.” A sign is given, certainly, not of the divinity but of the incarnation. Indeed, when about to speak of the incarnation, he says: “Ask a sign for yourself.” And when the king had said, “I will not ask, and I will not tempt the Lord,” the answer was: “Behold, a virgin shall conceive in the womb.” We cannot see a sign of the divinity, then, and do we seek its measure? Woe is me! Do we dare to examine impiously him whom we cannot worthily entreat? Let the Arians see what they are doing; as for me, Father, if I call you greater than all, I have wronged you by comparing you with your works; if greater than the Son, as Arius asserts, I have judged impiously. That sentence would be passed on you first; for no preference can be made except by comparison, nor can anyone be preferred unless judgment has first been passed on him. It is not lawful for us to swear by heaven; is it lawful to judge of God? But to your Son alone you have given judgment over all. John feared to baptize the Lord’s flesh; John forbade him, saying: “I ought to be baptized by you, and do you come to me?” And shall I subject Christ to my judgment? Moses excuses himself from the priestly office; Peter declines the service commanded him in the ministry; does Arius search even the deep things of God? But Arius is not the Holy Spirit; to Arius and to men it was said: “Do not seek things higher than you.” Moses is forbidden to see the face of the Lord; has Arius deserved to see the secret? “Moses and Aaron among his priests”: Moses, who appears with the Lord in glory; that Moses saw only the back of God, in a figure; Arius grasps the whole of God face to face. But “no one,” he says, “can see my face and live.” Paul too says of the lower things: “We know in part and we prophesy in part.” Arius says: “I have known God wholly, not in part.” Paul, then, is lower than Arius; the vessel of election knows in part, the vessel of perdition knows the whole. “I know a man,” he says, “whether in the body or outside the body I do not know, God knows, that he was caught up into paradise and heard unspeakable words.” Paul, caught up to the third heaven, did not know himself; Arius, wallowing in dung, has known God. Paul says of himself, “God knows”; Arius says of God, “I know.” But Arius was not caught up into heaven, though he followed him who with damnable boasting presumed upon divine things, saying: “I will set my throne above the clouds, and I will be like the Most High.” For as that one said, “I will be like the Most High,” so Arius too wants the most high Son of God to seem like himself, him whom he does not venerate in the majesty of eternal divinity but measures by the weakness of the flesh.

Heb 1:3 (allusion, high confidence) · Col 2:9 (allusion, high confidence) · Ezek 40:3 (quotation, high confidence) · John 1:30 (quotation, high confidence) · John 1:27 (allusion, high confidence) · 2 Cor 11:14 (quotation, high confidence) · John 8:44 (allusion, high confidence) · Mark 1:24 (allusion, medium confidence) · John 16:15 (quotation, high confidence) · Luke 12:14 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 12:39 (quotation, high confidence) · Isa 7:11 (quotation, high confidence) · Isa 7:12 (quotation, high confidence) · Isa 7:14 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 5:34 (allusion, high confidence) · John 5:22 (allusion, high confidence) · Matt 3:14 (quotation, high confidence) · Exod 4:13 (allusion, medium confidence) · John 13:8 (allusion, high confidence) · 1 Cor 2:10 (allusion, high confidence) · Exod 33:20 (quotation, high confidence) · Exod 33:23 (allusion, high confidence) · Ps 99:6 (98:6 Vulg.) (quotation, high confidence) · Luke 9:31 (allusion, high confidence) · 1 Cor 13:9 (quotation, high confidence) · Acts 9:15 (allusion, high confidence) · 2 Thess 2:3 (allusion, medium confidence) · 2 Cor 12:2 (quotation, high confidence) · 2 Cor 12:3 (quotation, high confidence) · 2 Cor 12:4 (quotation, high confidence) · Isa 14:14 (quotation, high confidence) · Isa 14:13 (allusion, high confidence)

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Summary: Ambrose turns in prayer to the Father: no one may measure God or judge between the Father and the Son, and Arius, claiming to know God wholly, outdoes Paul in presumption and imitates the devil’s boast.

  • The digital text begins this chapter with the end of Migne’s chapter summary, removed by a logged correction. “Moses excuses himself from the priestly office” (sacerdotium) probably refers to Moses’ reluctance at his call (Exod 4:10–13). “Do not seek things higher than you” is Sir 3:21 (Vulg 3:22). Quotations and allusions: Heb 1:3; Col 2:9; Ezek 40:3; John 1:30; 2 Cor 11:14; John 8:44; Mark 1:24; John 16:15; Luke 12:14; Matt 12:39; Isa 7:11–12, 14; Matt 5:34; John 5:22; Matt 3:14; Exod 4:10–13; John 13:8; 1 Cor 2:10; Exod 33:20, 23; Ps 99:6 (LXX 98:6); Luke 9:30–31; 1 Cor 13:9; Acts 9:15; 2 Thess 2:3; 2 Cor 12:2–4; Isa 14:14.

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  • Digital text corrected (OCR slip; OCR slip (stray letters); OCR slip and column number; OCR slip and inline footnote letter; OCR slips and column number; OCR slips and inline footnote letter; OCR slips and stray letters; column number; end of Migne's chapter summary; inline footnote letter or column number of the digitization): tum asserit suum non esse ut metiatur Def Filium; cum angelo metiri tart­ tum Jerusalem datum fuerit, immo et forte Christo ut homini: sed Arium Satanæ imitatorem se præ­ buisse. Temere igitur de divina generatione disputari; cum tantum humanæ signum per Esaiam ait propo­ situm; Mcc debeat comparatio fieri in divinis. Postre­ nro quantum fugienda sit Arii arrogantia, variorum Sc r!p!M!'(C exemplorum OppOSitiOne demonstrat. → ; imaginem substantiae tuæ → imaginem substantiæ tuæ; tuædivinitatis → tuæ divinitatis; Iugi frequenter → legi frequenter; Et idco aestimarenon possum → Et ideo æstimare non possum; (EzecA. XL, 3) → (Ezech. XL, 3); Et alle­ t)at'! OCulOs → Et allevavi oculos; cujus non aMM dignus → cujus non sum dignus; in typo Jerusalem metitur, It Arius Deum → in typo Jerusalem metitur, Arius Deum; ut nsurpet illicita (II Cor. n, <4) → ut usurpet illicita (II Cor. XI, 14); intolerabi- Hore 594 iste → intolerabiliore iste; gencration!s → generationis; fatcbatur → fatebatur; dispulare → disputare; Filium Luum plus → Filium tuum plus; Filium luum It increata: ntajestatem → Filium tuum increatæ majestatem; nequam eat: signum quœrit → nequam est: signum quærit; Jonœ prophetæ → Jonæ prophetæ; Signum u)ique → Signum utique; in utero occipie/ → in utero accipiet; sumus,mensuram → sumus, mensuram; audemus,quem digne rogare non possimus?; b Viderint → audemus, quem digne rogare non possumus? Viderint; te Luis operibus → te tuis operibus; ilia senten → illa senten; ncque præferri → neque præferri; per cœtum non licet, c judicare → per cœlum non licet, judicare; (Matth. III, i4) → (Matth. III, 14); intperatum → imperatum; Altiora te ne quœsieris → Altiora te ne quæsieris; Moyscs qui → Moyses qui; Moyses ergoille → Moyses ergo ille; videre poteat → videre potest; (Ea'od. XXXIII, 20) → (Exod. XXXIII, 20); et ex parte eliam prophetamus (t Cor. XIII. 9) → et ex parte etiam prophetamus (I Cor. XIII, 9); 595 sive extra → sive extra; raptus ext in → raptus est in; usque ad tertium cœtum → usque ad tertium cœlum; Deus Icit → Deus scit; non Arios raptus in caelum, quamvis 596 eum secutus sil → non Arius raptus in cælum, quamvis eum secutus sit; simlis Altissimo → similis Altissimo; videri' quem → videri, quem; mctitur → metitur; subdam? d → subdam?.

Extrabiblical texts: Sir 3:21 (Sirach [in RC, EO, ETH canons]; quotation)

Topics: Trinity, Christology, Heresy, Prayer

Cite (SBL): Ambrose, Fid. 5.19 (PL 16:641a–642c; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/ambrose-fide/5-16/#p-5-19). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin of Migne's Patrologia Latina 16 (digital text, Open Greek and Latin; corrections logged), then compared section by section with the public-domain English of NPNF² 10 (de Romestin, 1896); differences checked against the Latin.