City of God 21.5–21.9

Latin text: Hoffmann, CSEL 40 (Latin text: Dombart and Hoffmann, De civitate dei (CSEL 40, 1899-1900), digitized by Open Greek and Latin (csel-dev, University of Leipzig), CC BY-SA 4.0).English: Claude (claude-opus-5-5), public domain (CC0). Compare: Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers, series 1, vol. 2 (1887).

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Chapter 21

21.5CSEL 40:521–524

CAPUT V. Quanta sint, quorum ratio nequeat agnosci, et tamen eadem uera esse non sit ambiguum. Verum tamen homines infideles, qui, cum diuina uel praeterita uel futura miracula praedicamus, quae illis experienda non ualemus ostendere, rationem a nobis earum flagitant rerum, quam quoniam non possumus reddere (excedunt enim uires mentis humanae), existimant falsa esse quae dicimus, ipsi de tot mirabilibus rebus, quas uel uidere possumus uel uidemus, debent reddere rationem. Quod si fieri ab homine non posse peruiderint, fatendum est eis non ideo aliquid non fuisse uel non futurum esse, quia ratio inde non potest reddi. quando quidem sunt ista, de quibus similiter non potest. Non itaque pergo per plurima, quae mandata sunt litteris, non gesta adque transacta, sed in locis quibusque manentia; quo si quisquam ire uoluerit et potuerit, utrum uera sint, explorabit; sed pauca commemoro. Agrigentinum Siciliae salem perhibent, cum fuerit admotus igni, uelut in aqua fluescere; cum uero ipsi aquae, uelut in igne crepitare. Aput Garamantas quendam fontem tam frigidum diebus, ut non bibatur, tam feruidum noctibus, ut non tangatur. In Epiro alium fontem, in quo faces, ut in ceteris, exstinguuntur accensae, sed, non ut in ceteris, accenduntur exstinctae. Asbeston Arcadiae lapidem propterea sic uocari, quod accensus semel iam non possit exstingui. Lignum cuiusdam ficus Aegyptiae, non ut ligna cetera in aquis natare, sed mergi; et, quod est mirabilius, cum in imo aliquamdiu fuerit, inde ad aquae superficiem rursus emergere, quando madefactum debuit umoris pondere praegrauari. Poma in terra Sodomorum gigni quidem et ad maturitatis faciem peruenire; sed morsu pressuue tentata in fumum ac fauillam corio fatiscente uanescere. Pyriten lapidem Persicum tenentis manum, si uehementius prematur, adurere, propter quod ab igne nomen accepit. In eadem Perside gigni etiam lapidem seleniten, cuius interiorem candorem cum luna crescere adque deficere. In Cappadocia etiam uento equas concipere, eosdemque fetus non amplius triennio uiuere. Tylon Indiae insulam eo praeferri ceteris terris, quod omnis arbor, quae in ea gignitur, numquam nudatur tegmine foliorum. De his adque aliis innumerabilibus mirabilibus, quae historia non factorum et transactorum, sed manentium locorum tenet, mihi autem aliud agenti ea persequi nimis longum est, reddant rationem, si possunt, infideles isti, qui nolunt diuinis litteris credere; quid aliud quam non putantes eas esse diuinas, eo quod res habeant incredibiles, sicuti hoc est unde nunc agimus. Non enim admittit, inquiunt, ulla ratio, ut caro ardeat nec absumatur, doleat neque moriatur; ratiocinatores uidelicet magni, qui de omnibus rebus, quas esse mirabiles constat, possint reddere rationem. Reddant ergo de his, quae pauca posuimus, quae procul dubio si esse nescirent et ea futura esse diceremus, multo minus crederent quam quod nunc dicentibus nobis nolunt credere aliquando uenturum. Quis enim eorum nobis crederet, si, quem ad modum dicimus futura hominum uiua corpora, quae semper arsura adque dolitura nec tamen aliquando moritura sint, ita diceremus in futuro saeculo futurum salem, quem faceret ignis uelut in aqua fluescere, eundemque faceret aqua uelut in igne crepitare; aut futurum fontem, cuius aqua in refrigerio noctis sic ardeat, ut non possit tangi, in aestibus uero diei sic algeat, ut non possit bibi; aut futurum lapidem, uel eum qui suo calore manum constringentis adureret, uel eum qui undecumque accensus exstingui omnino non posset, et cetera quae praetermissis aliis innumeris commemoranda interim duxi? Haec ergo in illo saeculo, quod futurum est, si diceremus futura nobisque increduli responderent: Si uultis ut ea credamus, de singulis reddite rationem: nos non posse confiteremur, eo quod istis et similibus Dei miris operibus infirma mortalium ratiocinatio uinceretur; fixam tamen aput nos esse rationem, non sine ratione Omnipotentem facere, unde animus humanus infirmus rationem non potest reddere; et in multis quidem rebus incertum nobis esse quid uelit, illud tamen esse certissimum, nihil eorum illi esse inpossibile, quaecumque uoluerit; eique nos credere praedicenti, quem neque inpotentem neque mentientem possumus credere. Hi tamen fidei reprehensores exactoresque rationis quid ad ista respondent, de quibus ratio reddi ab homine non potest, et tamen sunt, et ipsi rationi naturae uidentur esse contraria? Quae si futura esse diceremus, similiter a nobis, sicut eorum quae futura esse dicimus, ab infidelibus ratio posceretur. Ac per hoc, cum in talibus operibus Dei deficiat ratio cordis et sermonis humani, sicut ista non ideo non sunt, sic non ideo etiam illa non erunt, quoniam ratio de utrisque ab homine non potest reddi.

Chapter 5. How many things there are whose reason cannot be known, and yet it is not doubtful that they are true.

But unbelievers who, when we proclaim divine miracles, either past or future, which we cannot show them to experience, demand from us an account of these things, and, because we cannot give it (for they surpass the powers of the human mind), think that what we say is false: they themselves ought to give an account of so many wonderful things which we either can see or do see. And if they see clearly that this cannot be done by man, they must admit that something has not failed to be, or will not fail to be, just because no account of it can be given, since there are these things of which likewise none can be given. So I do not go through the very many things committed to writing, not events done and past, but things that remain in particular places, where, if anyone wishes and is able to go, he may find out whether they are true; I mention only a few. They say that the salt of Agrigentum in Sicily, when brought near fire, melts as if in water, but when brought to water, crackles as if in fire. Among the Garamantes, they say, there is a certain spring so cold by day that it cannot be drunk, so hot by night that it cannot be touched. In Epirus there is another spring in which lighted torches are put out, as in others, but, unlike others, extinguished torches are lit. The Arcadian stone asbestos is so called because, once lit, it can no longer be put out. The wood of a certain Egyptian fig does not float in water like other wood, but sinks; and, what is more wonderful, when it has been at the bottom for some time it rises again from there to the surface of the water, when, being soaked, it ought to be weighed down by the weight of the moisture. Fruit grows in the land of Sodom and reaches the look of ripeness; but when tried by a bite or a squeeze, the skin bursts and it vanishes into smoke and ash. The Persian stone pyrites burns the hand of one who holds it if it is squeezed too hard, which is why it takes its name from fire. In the same Persia is found also the stone selenite, whose inner whiteness waxes and wanes with the moon. In Cappadocia mares conceive by the wind, and their foals live no longer than three years. Tylos, an island of India, is preferred to other lands because every tree that grows on it is never stripped of its covering of leaves.

Of these and innumerable other wonders, which history records not of deeds done and past but of places that remain, and which it would take me too long to pursue, since I am about something else, let these unbelievers who refuse to believe the divine writings give an account, if they can; for what else is their refusal but thinking that these writings are not divine because they contain incredible things, such as this which we are now dealing with? “For no reason,” they say, “admits that flesh should burn and not be consumed, feel pain and not die.” Great reasoners, to be sure, who can give an account of all the things known to be wonderful! Let them give an account, then, of these few that we have set down, which, no doubt, if they did not know them to exist and we said they would come to be, they would believe much less than what they now refuse to believe when we say it will come some day. For which of them would believe us if, just as we say that there will be living human bodies which will burn and feel pain for ever and yet never die, we said that in the world to come there would be salt which fire would make melt as if in water, and which water would make crackle as if in fire; or a spring whose water in the cool of night would be so hot that it could not be touched, but in the heat of the day so cold that it could not be drunk; or a stone which would burn the hand of one gripping it by its own heat, or one which, lit from any part, could not be put out at all, and the other things which, passing over countless others, I have thought meanwhile worth mentioning? If, then, we said that these things would exist in that world to come, and the unbelievers answered us, “If you want us to believe them, give an account of each one,” we would confess that we could not, because the weak reasoning of mortals is overcome by these and similar wonderful works of God; but that we hold firmly this reason, that the Almighty does not act without reason in things of which the weak human mind cannot give an account; and that, though in many things it is uncertain to us what he wills, this is most certain, that none of these things is impossible to him, whatever he wills; and that we believe him when he foretells, whom we can believe to be neither powerless nor lying. Yet what do these critics of faith and exactors of reasons answer about these things, of which no account can be given by man, and yet they exist, and seem contrary to the very reason of nature? If we said that they would come to be, an account would be demanded of us by unbelievers just as it is for the things we say will come to be. And so, since in such works of God the reasoning of the human heart and speech fails, just as these things do not fail to exist on that account, so neither will those things fail to exist on that account, because no account of either can be given by man.

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Summary: Unbelievers who demand reasons for the eternal punishment cannot explain the many marvels of nature recorded by writers; God's power and truthfulness are reason enough to believe what he foretells.

  • Augustine's list of marvels (salt of Agrigentum, spring of the Garamantes, spring in Epirus, asbestos, the Egyptian fig, the apples of Sodom, pyrites, selenite, the Cappadocian mares, Tylos) comes from ancient compilations of wonders such as Pliny's Natural History and Solinus; he reports them as what others say, not as his own observation.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR b for h; OCR slip): De bis adque → De his adque; lieddant ergo → Reddant ergo.

Extrabiblical texts: Pliny the Elder, Pliny, Nat. (Pliny the Elder, Natural History; allusion)

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Civ. 21.5 (CSEL 40:521–524; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-civitate-dei/21-5/#p-21-5). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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21.6CSEL 40:524–526

CAPUT VI. Quod non omnia miracula naturalia sint, sed pleraque humano ingenio modificata, pleraque autem daemonum arte conposita. Hic forte respondeant: Prorsus nec ista sunt nec ista credimus; falsa de his dicta, falsa conscripta sunt; et adiciant ratiocinantes adque dicentes: Si talia credenda sunt, credite et uos quod in easdem litteras est relatum, fuisse uel esse quoddam Veneris fanum adque ibi candelabrum et in eo lucernam sub diuo sic ardentem, ut eam nulla tempestas, nullus imber exstingueret, unde sicut ille lapis, ita ista λύχνος ἄσβεστος, id est lucerna inexstinguibilis, nominata est. Quod propterea poterunt dicere, ut respondendi nobis angustias ingerant; quia si dixerimus non esse credendum, scripta illa miraculorum infirmabimus; si autem credendum esse concesserimus, firmabimus numina paganorum. Sed nos, sicut iam in libro duodeuicensimo huius operis dixi, non habemus necesse omnia credere, quae historia continet gentium, cum et ipsi inter se historici, sicut ait Varro, quasi data opera et quasi ex industria per multa dissentiant; sed ea, si uolumus. credimus, quae non aduersantur libris, quibus non dubitamus oportere nos credere. De his autem miraculorum locis nobis ad ea, quae futura persuadere incredulis uolumus, satis illa sufficiunt, quae nos quoque possumus experiri, et eorum testes idoneos non difficile est inuenire. De isto autem fano Veneris et lucerna inexstinguibili non solum in nullas coartamur angustias, uerum etiam latitudinis nobis campus aperitur. Addimus enim ad istam lucernam inexstinguibilem et humanarum et magicarum, id est per homines daemonicarum artium et ipsorum per se ipsos daemonum multa miracula; quae si negare uoluerimus, eidem ipsi cui credimus sacrarum litterarum aduersabimur ueritati. Aut ergo in lucerna illa mechanicum aliquid de lapide asbesto ars humana molita est aut arte magica factum est, quod homines illo mirarentur in templo, aut daemon quispiam sub nomine Veneris tanta se efficacia praesentauit, ut hoc ibi prodigium et appareret hominibus et diutius permaneret. Inliciuntur autem daemones ad inhabitandum per creaturas, quas non ipsi, sed Deus condidit, delectabilibus pro sua diuersitate diuersis, non ut animalia cibis, sed ut spiritus signis, quae cuiusque delectationi congruunt, per uaria genera lapidum herbarum, lignorum animalium, carminum rituum. Ut autem inliciantur ab hominibus, prius eos ipsi astutissima calliditate seducunt, uel inspirando eorum cordibus uirus occultum uel etiam fallacibus amicitiis apparendo, eorumque paucos discipulos suos faciunt plurimorumque doctores. Neque enim potuit, nisi primum ipsis docentibus, disci quid quisque illorum adpetat, quid exhorreat, quo inuitetur nomine, quo cogatur; unde magicae artes earumque artifices exstiterunt. Maxime autem possident corda mortalium, qua potissimum possessione gloriantur, cum se transfigurant in angelos lucis. Sunt ergo facta eorum plurima, quae quanto magis mirabilia confitemur, tanto cautius uitare debemus; sed ad hoc, unde nunc agimus, nobis etiam ipsa proficiunt. Si enim haec inmundi daemones possunt, quanto potentiores sunt sancti angeli, quanto potentior est his omnibus Deus, qui tantorum miraculorum effectores etiam ipsos angelos fecit! Quam ob rem si tot et tanta mirifica, quae μηχανήματα appellant, Dei creatura utentibus humanis artibus fiunt, ut ea qui nesciunt opinentur esse diuina (unde factum est, ut in quodam templo lapidibus magnetibus in solo et camera proportione magnitudinis positis simulacrum ferreum aeris illius medio inter utrumque lapidem ignorantibus, quid sursum esset ac deorsum, quasi numinis potestate penderet: quale aliquid etiam in illa lucerna Veneris de lapide asbesto ab artifice fieri potuisse iam diximus); si magorum opera, quos nostra scriptura ueneficos et incantatores uocat, in tantum daemones extollere potuerunt, ut congruere hominum sensibus sibi nobilis poeta uideretur, de quadam femina, quae tali arte polleret, dicens: Haec se carminibus promittit soluere mentes Quas uelit, ast aliis duras inmittere curas, Sistere aquam fluuiis et uertere sidera retro; Nocturnosque ciet manes: mugire uidebis Sub pedibus terram et descendere montibus ornos: quanto magis Deus potens est facere quae infidelibus sunt incredibilia, sed illius facilia potestati; quando quidem ipse lapidum aliarumque uim rerum et hominum ingenia, qui ea miris utuntur modis, angelicasque naturas omnibus terrenis potentiores animantibus condidit, uniuersa mirabilia mirabili uincente uirtute et operandi iubendi sinendique sapientia, utens omnibus tam mirabiliter, quam creauit.

Chapter 6. That not all marvels are natural, but that many are contrived by human ingenuity and many put together by the art of demons.

Here perhaps they may answer: “These things do not exist at all, and we do not believe them; what is said of them is false, what is written of them is false.” And they may add, reasoning and saying: “If such things are to be believed, then you too believe what is related in the same writings, that there was, or is, a certain shrine of Venus, and there a lampstand, and on it a lamp burning in the open air in such a way that no storm, no rain could put it out; hence, like that stone, it was named lychnos asbestos, that is, the inextinguishable lamp.” They may say this in order to push us into a tight corner in answering; because if we say it is not to be believed, we shall weaken those writings about marvels; but if we grant that it is to be believed, we shall strengthen the deities of the pagans. But, as I have already said in the eighteenth book of this work, we are not obliged to believe everything that the history of the nations contains, since, as Varro says, the historians themselves disagree among themselves on many points, as if on purpose and deliberately; but we believe, if we wish, those things which are not opposed to the books which we do not doubt we ought to believe. As for these marvels of places, for the things to come of which we wish to persuade unbelievers those suffice which we too can test, and for which it is not hard to find suitable witnesses. But as for that shrine of Venus and the inextinguishable lamp, not only are we not pushed into any tight corner, but a broad field is opened to us. For to this inextinguishable lamp we add many marvels of human and magical arts, that is, of demonic arts worked through human beings, and of demons themselves by themselves; and if we wished to deny these, we should be opposing the very truth of the sacred writings which we believe. Either, then, human art contrived something mechanical in that lamp from the stone asbestos, or it was done by magic art so that people might marvel in that temple, or some demon under the name of Venus presented himself with such effect that this prodigy both appeared to people there and lasted a long time.

Demons are enticed to dwell in places by means of creatures, which not they but God created, by various delights suited to their various natures, not as animals are by food but as spirits are by signs which suit the delight of each, through various kinds of stones, herbs, woods, animals, charms, and rites. But in order to be enticed by human beings, they first seduce them with most subtle cunning, either by breathing a hidden poison into their hearts or even by appearing to them in deceitful friendships, and they make a few of them their disciples and the teachers of very many. For it could not have been learned, unless they themselves first taught it, what each of them desires, what each shrinks from, by what name each is invited, by what name compelled; hence the magic arts and their practitioners arose. But above all they possess the hearts of mortals, a possession in which they chiefly glory, when they transform themselves into angels of light. So there are very many deeds of theirs which, the more wonderful we admit them to be, the more carefully we ought to avoid; but for what we are now dealing with they are even useful to us. For if unclean demons can do these things, how much more powerful are the holy angels, how much more powerful than all these is God, who made the angels themselves the workers of such great miracles!

Therefore, if so many and such marvelous things, which they call mechanemata, “contrivances,” are done by using God's creation with human arts, that those who do not know about them think them divine (so it came about that in a certain temple, with magnets placed in the floor and in the ceiling in proportion to their size, an iron image hung in the middle of the air between the two stones, as if by the power of the deity, to people who did not know what was above and below; something of this kind, as we have already said, could also have been done by a craftsman with the stone asbestos in that lamp of Venus); if the works of magicians, whom our Scripture calls sorcerers and enchanters, could exalt demons so much that a noble poet thought it agreeable to people's sense of things to say of a certain woman who was powerful in that art: “She promises by her charms to free the minds of whom she will, but to send hard cares on others, to stop the water in rivers and turn the stars backward; and she summons the ghosts of night: you will see the earth bellow under your feet and the ash trees come down from the mountains”: how much more is God able to do what is incredible to unbelievers but easy to his power, since he himself created the power of stones and other things, and the ingenuity of human beings who use them in wonderful ways, and the natures of angels, more powerful than all earthly living things; his wonderful power surpassing all wonders, and his wisdom in working, commanding, and permitting, using all things as wonderfully as he created them.

2 Cor 11:14 (allusion, high confidence) · Deut 18:10–11 (allusion, low confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: Some marvels, such as the inextinguishable lamp of Venus, may be human contrivance, magic, or the work of demons; if demons and human art can do such things, God can do far more.

  • 2 Corinthians 11:14; Deuteronomy 18:10–11. Virgil, Aeneid 4.487–491. Augustine refers to City of God 18.18 and to Varro on the disagreements of historians. Greek in the text: λύχνος ἄσβεστος (“inextinguishable lamp”) and μηχανήματα (“contrivances”).

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR T for P; stray mark; stray marks): Trorsus nec → Prorsus nec; ἄσβεστος, \t id est → ἄσβεστος, id est; sidera retro;- → sidera retro;.

Extrabiblical texts: Virgil, Aen. 4.487–491 (Virgil; quotation); Varro (Varro; allusion); Augustine, Civ. 18.18 (City of God; allusion)

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Civ. 21.6 (CSEL 40:524–526; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-civitate-dei/21-5/#p-21-6). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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21.7CSEL 40:526–530

CAPUT VII. Quod in rebus miris summa credendi ratio sit omnipotentia Creatoris. Quur itaque facere non possit Deus, ut et resurgant corpora mortuorum et igne aeterno crucientur corpora damnatorum, qui fecit mundum in caelo in terra, in aere in aquis innumerabilibus miraculis plenum, cum sit omnibus quibus plenus est procul dubio maius et excellentius etiam mundus ipse miraculum? Sed isti, cum quibus uel contra quos agimus, qui et Deum esse credunt, a quo factus est mundus, et deos ab illo factos, per quos ab illo administratur mundus, et miraculorum effectrices siue spontaneorum siue cultu et ritu quolibet inpetratorum siue etiam magicorum mundanas uel non negant uel insuper et praedicant potestates, quando eis rerum uim mirabilem proponimus aliarum, quae nec animalia sunt rationalia nec ulla ratione praediti spiritus, sicut sunt ea, quorum pauca commemorauimus, respondere adsolent: Vis est ista naturae, natura eorum sic se habet, propriarum sunt istae efficaciae naturarum. Tota itaque ratio est, quur Agrigentinum salem flamma fluere faciat, aqua crepitare, quia haec est natura eius. At hoc esse potius contra naturam uidetur, quae non igni, sed aquae dedit salem soluere, torrere autem igni, non aquae. Sed ista, inquiunt, salis huius naturalis est uis, ut his contraria patiatur. Haec igitur ratio redditur et de illo fonte Garamantico, ubi una uena friget diebus, noctibus feruet, ui utraque molesta tangentibus; haec et de illo alio, qui cum sit contrectantibus frigidus et facem sicut alii fontes exstinguat accensam, dissimiliter tamen adque mirabiliter idem ipse accendit exstinctam; haec et de lapide asbesto, qui cum ignem nullum habeat proprium, accepto tamen sic ardet alieno, ut non possit exstingui; haec de ceteris, quae piget retexere, quibus licet uis insolita contra naturam inesse uideatur, alia tamen de illis non redditur ratio, nisi ut dicatur hanc eorum esse naturam. Breuis sane ista est ratio, fateor, sufficiensque responsio. Sed cum Deus auctor sit naturarum omnium, quur nolunt fortiorem nos reddere rationem, quando aliquid uelut inpossibile nolunt credere eisque redditionem rationis poscentibus respondemus hanc esse uoluntatem omnipotentis Dei? qui certe non ob aliud uocatur omnipotens, nisi quoniam quidquid uult potest, qui potuit creare tam multa, quae nisi ostenderentur aut a credendis hodieque dicerentur testibus, profecto inpossibilia putarentur, non solum quae ignotissima aput nos, uerum etiam quae notissima posui. Illa enim quae [aput nos] praeter eos, quorum de his libros legimus, non habent testem et ab eis conscripta sunt, qui non sunt diuinitus docti adque humanitus falli forte potuerunt, licet cuique sine recta reprehensione non credere. Nam nec ego uolo temere credi cuncta quae posui, quia nec a me ipso ita creduntur, tamquam nulla de illis sit in mea cogitatione dubitatio, exceptis his, quae uel ipse sum expertus et cuiuis facile est experiri; sicut de calce, quod feruet in aqua, in oleo frigida est; de magnete lapide, quod nescio qua sorbitione insensibili stipulam non moueat et ferrum rapiat; de carne non putescente pauonis, cum putuerit et Platonis; de palea sic frigente, ut Suescere niuem non sinat, sic calente ut maturescere poma conpellat; de igne fulgido, quod secundum suam fulgorem lapides coquendo candificet et contra eundem suum fulgorem urendo plurima obfuscet. Tale est et quod nigrae maculae offunduntur ex oleo splendido, similiter nigrae lineae de candido inprimuntur argento, de carbonibus etiam, quod accendente igne sic uertantur in contrarium, ut de lignis pulcherrimis taetri, fragiles de duris, inputribiles de putribilibus fiant. Haec ipse quaedam cum multis, quaedam cum omnibus noui, et alia plurima, quae huic libro inserere longum fuit. De his autem, quae posui non experta, sed lecta, praeter de fonte illo, ubi faces exstinguuntur ardentes et accenduntur exstinctae, et de pomis terrae Sodomorum forinsecus quasi maturis, intrinsecus fumeis, nec testes aliquos idoneos, a quibus utrum uera essent audirem, potui reperire. Et illum quidem fontem non inueni qui in Epiro uidisse se dicerent, sed qui in Gallia similem nossent non longe a Gratianopoli ciuitate. De fructibus autem arborum Sodomitarum non tantum litterae fide dignae indicant, uerum etiam tam multi se loquuntur expertos, ut hinc dubitare non possim. Cetera uero sic habeo, ut neque neganda neque adfirmanda decreuerim; sed ideo etiam ipsa posui, quoniam aput eorum, contra quos agimus, historicos legi, ut ostenderem qualia multa multique illorum nulla reddita ratione in suorum litteratorum scripta litteris credant, qui nobis credere, quando id, quod eorum experientiam sensumque transgreditur, omnipotentem Deum dicimus esse facturum, nec reddita ratione dignantur. Nam quae melior et ualidior ratio de rebus talibus redditur, quam cum Omnipotens ea posse facere perhibetur et facturus dicitur, quae praenuntiasse ibi legitur, ubi alia multa praenuntiauit, quae fecisse monstratur? Ipse quippe faciet, quia se facturum esse praedixit, quae inpossibilia putantur, qui promisit et fecit ut ab incredulis gentibus incredibilia crederentur.

Chapter 7. That in marvelous things the highest reason for belief is the omnipotence of the Creator.

Why, then, should God not be able to make both the bodies of the dead rise and the bodies of the damned be tormented in eternal fire, he who made the world full of innumerable marvels in heaven, on earth, in the air, and in the waters, when the world itself is without doubt a marvel greater and more excellent than all the things with which it is filled? But these people with whom, or against whom, we are dealing, who both believe that there is a God by whom the world was made, and gods made by him through whom the world is administered by him, and who do not deny, but even proclaim, worldly powers that produce marvels, whether spontaneous, or obtained by some worship and rite, or even magical: when we set before them the marvelous power of other things, which are neither rational animals nor spirits endowed with any reason, such as those of which we have mentioned a few, they usually answer: “That is a power of nature; their nature is such; these are the effects proper to their natures.” So the whole reason why the salt of Agrigentum is made to melt by flame and to crackle in water is that this is its nature. And yet this seems rather to be against nature, which has given to water, not to fire, the power of dissolving salt, and to fire, not water, the power of roasting it. “But this,” they say, “is the natural power of this salt, that it undergoes the contrary of these.” This reason, then, is given also for that spring of the Garamantes, where one vein is cold by day and hot by night, troublesome to the touch either way; this also for that other spring, which, though cold to those who handle it and though it puts out a lighted torch like other springs, yet, unlike them and wonderfully, the same spring lights an extinguished one; this also for the stone asbestos, which, though it has no fire of its own, yet when it has received fire from elsewhere burns so that it cannot be put out; this for the rest, which it is tedious to go through again, in which, although an unaccustomed power against nature seems to be present, no other reason is given for them except to say that this is their nature.

A brief reason indeed, I admit, and a sufficient answer. But since God is the author of all natures, why do they refuse to let us give a stronger reason when they will not believe something as impossible, and, when they demand an account, we answer that this is the will of almighty God? He is certainly called almighty for no other reason than that he can do whatever he wills, he who was able to create so many things which, unless they were shown or were told even today by witnesses to be believed, would surely be thought impossible; not only the things I have set down which are very little known among us, but also those very well known. For as to those which have no witness besides those whose books about them we read, and which were written by men who were not divinely taught and, being human, may perhaps have been deceived, anyone may, without just reproach, not believe them. For I do not wish all the things I have set down to be believed rashly, since I do not believe them myself as if there were no doubt about them in my mind, except those which I have tested myself and which anyone can easily test: such as that lime boils in water and is cold in oil; that the magnet, by some imperceptible attraction, does not move a straw but snatches iron; that the flesh of the peacock does not decay, when even Plato's has decayed; that straw is so cold that it does not let snow melt, and so warm that it forces fruit to ripen; that bright fire, in keeping with its brightness, whitens stones by baking them, and against that same brightness darkens very many things by burning them. Of the same kind is the fact that black stains are spread by bright oil, and likewise black lines are drawn by white silver; and about coals, that when the fire kindles them they are turned into the contrary, so that from the most beautiful wood they become ugly, brittle from hard, incorruptible from corruptible. Some of these I know myself with many others, some with everyone, and many other things which it would have been lengthy to insert in this book.

But of those which I have set down not as tested but as read, except for that spring where burning torches are put out and extinguished ones lit, and for the fruits of the land of Sodom, ripe as it were outside and smoky inside, I have not been able to find any suitable witnesses from whom I might hear whether they were true. And indeed I did not find anyone who said he had seen that spring in Epirus, but I found people who knew a similar one in Gaul not far from the city of Grenoble. As for the fruits of the trees of Sodom, not only do trustworthy writings report it, but so many people say they have tested it that I cannot doubt it. The rest I hold in such a way that I have decided they are neither to be denied nor affirmed; but I set them down too because I read them in the historians of those against whom we are arguing, to show what kind of things, and how many, many of them believe written in the writings of their learned men without any reason given, who do not deign to believe us even when a reason is given, when we say that almighty God will do something which surpasses their experience and sense. For what better and stronger reason is given for such things than when the Almighty is declared able to do them and is said to be going to do what we read he foretold there where he foretold many other things which he is shown to have done? For he will do the things that are thought impossible, because he foretold that he would do them, he who promised and brought it about that incredible things should be believed by unbelieving nations.

Textual problem in this passage: see the notes.

Notes and citation

Summary: Unbelievers explain marvels simply as “nature”; Augustine answers that God's will and omnipotence is the stronger reason, and he distinguishes the marvels he has tested himself from those he only read.

  • The spring near Grenoble (Gratianopolis) and the apples of Sodom are the two reported marvels for which Augustine says he found witnesses; the others he neither denies nor affirms. “When even Plato's has decayed” is Augustine's jest about the philosopher's flesh. The digital text reads “Suescere niuem non sinat”, probably a corruption of a verb meaning “melt” (e.g. “liquescere”); translated by that sense. The editor deletes “aput nos” in “quae [aput nos] praeter eos” (no change in the sense rendered).

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (stray mark): <Vis est ista → Vis est ista.

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Civ. 21.7 (CSEL 40:526–530; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-civitate-dei/21-5/#p-21-7). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude from Hoffmann's Latin text (CSEL 40, 1899–1900); compared afterwards with the NPNF¹ 2 translation (Dods, 1887).

21.8CSEL 40:530–534

CAPUT VIII. Non esse contra naturam, cum in aliqua re, cuius natura innotuit, aliquid ab eo quod erat notum incipit esse diuersum. Si autem respondent propterea se non credere quae de humanis semper arsuris nec umquam morituris corporibus dicimus, quia humanorum corporum naturam nouimus longe aliter institutam, unde nec illa ratio hinc reddi potest, quae de illis naturis mirabilibus reddebatur, ut dici possit: Vis ista naturalis est, rei huius ista natura est; quoniam scimus humanae carnis istam non esse naturam: habemus quidem quod respondeamus de litteris sacris, hanc ipsam scilicet humanam carnem aliter institutam fuisse ante peccatum, id est, ut posset numquam perpeti mortem; aliter autem post peccatum, qualis in aerumna huius mortalitatis innotuit, ut perpetem uitam tenere non possit; sic ergo aliter, quam nobis nota est, instituetur in resurrectione mortuorum. Sed quoniam istis non credunt litteris, ubi legitur qualis in paradiso uixerit homo quantumque fuerit a necessitate mortis alienus (quibus utique si crederent, non cum illis de poena damnatorum, quae futura est, operosius ageremus): de litteris eorum. qui doctissimi aput illos fuerunt, aliquid proferendum est, quo appareat posse fieri, ut aliter se habeat quaeque res, quam prius in rebus innotuerat suae determinatione naturae. Est in Marci Varronis libris, quorum inscriptio est: De gente populi Romani, quod eisdem uerbis, quibus ibi legitur, et hic ponam: In caelo, inquit, mirabile exstitit portentum: nam stellam Veneris nobilissimam, quam Plautus Vesperuginem, Homerus Hesperon appellat, pulcherrimam dicens, Castor scribit tantum portentum exstitisse, ut mutaret colorem, magnitudinem, figuram, cursum; quod factum ita neque antea nec postea sit. Hoc factum Ogygo rege dicebant Adrastos Cyzicenos et Dion Neapolites, mathematici nobiles. Hoc certe Varro tantus auctor portentum non appellaret, nisi esse contra naturam uideretur. Omnia quippe portenta contra naturam dicimus esse; sed non sunt. Quo modo est enim contra naturam, quod Dei fit uoluntate, cum uoluntas tanti utique conditoris conditae rei cuiusque natura sit? Portentum ergo fit non contra naturam, sed contra quam est nota natura. Quis autem portentorum numerat multitudinem, quae historia gentium continetur? Sed nunc in hoc uno adtendamus, quod ad rem, de qua agimus, pertinet. Quid ita dispositum est ab auctore naturae caeli et terrae, quem ad modum cursus ordinatissimus siderum? Quid tam ratis legibus fixisque firmatum? Et tamen, quando ille uoluit, qui summo regit imperio ac potestate quod condidit. stella prae ceteris magnitudine ac splendore notissima colorem, magnitudinem, figuram et (quod est mirabilius) sui cursus ordinem legemque mutauit. Turbauit profecto tunc, si ulli iam fuerunt, canones astrologorum, quos uelut inerrabili conputatione de praeteritis ac futuris astrorum motibus conscriptos habent, quos canones sequendo ausi sunt dicere. hoc, quod de Lucifero contigit, nec antea nec postea contigisse. Nos autem in diuinis libris legimus etiam solem ipsum et stetisse, cum hoc a Domino Deo petiuisset uir sanctus Iesus Naue, donec coeptum proelium uictoria terminaret, et retrorsum redisse, ut regi Ezechiae quindecim anni ad uiuendum additi hoc etiam prodigio promissioni Dei significarentur adiuncto. Sed ista quoque miracula, quae meritis sunt concessa sanctorum, quando credunt isti facta, magicis artibus tribuunt. Unde illud est, quod superius commemoraui dixisse Vergilium: Sistere aquam fluuiis et uertere sidera retro. Nam et fluuium stetisse superius inferiusque fluxisse, cum populus Dei ductore supra memorato Iesu Naue uiam carperet, et Helia propheta transeunte ac postea discipulo eius Helisaeo id esse factum in sacris litteris legimus, et retro uersum fuisse maximum sidus regnante Ezechia modo commemorauimus. Quod uero de Lucifero Varro scripsit, non est illic dictum alicui petenti homini id fuisse concessum. Non ergo de notitia naturarum caliginem sibi faciant infideles, quasi non possit in aliqua re diuinitus fieri aliud, quamdiu eius natura per humanam suam experientiam cognouerunt; quamuis et ipsa, quae in rerum natura omnibus nota sunt, non minus mira sint, essentque stupenda considerantibus cunctis, si, solerent homines mirari mira nisi rara. Quis enim consulta ratione non uideat in hominum innumerabili numerositate et tanta naturae similitudine ualde mirabiliter sic habere singulos singulas facies, ut nisi inter se similes essent, non discerneretur species eorum ab animalibus ceteris; et rursus nisi inter se dissimiles essent, non discernerentur singuli ab hominibus ceteris? Quos ergo similes confitemur, eosdem dissimiles inuenimus. Sed mirabilior est consideratio dissimilitudinis, quoniam similitudinem iustius uidetur exposcere natura communis. Et tamen quoniam quae sunt rara ipsa sunt mira, multo amplius admiramur quando duos ita similes reperimus, ut in eis discernendis aut semper aut frequenter erremus. Sed quod dixi scriptum a Varrone, licet eorum sit historicus idemque doctissimus, fortasse uere factum esse non credunt; aut quia non diu mansit alius eiusdem sideris cursus, sed reditum est ad solitum, minus isto mouentur exemplo. Habent ergo aliud, quod etiam nunc possit ostendi eisque puto debere sufficere, quo commoneantur, cum aliquid aduerterint in aliqua institutione naturae eamque sibi notissimam fecerint, non se inde Deo debere praescribere, quasi eam non possit in longe aliud, quam eis cognita est, uertere adque mutare. Terra Sodomorum non fuit utique ut nunc est, sed iacebat simili ceteris facie eademque uel etiam uberiore fecunditate pollebat; nam Dei paradiso in diuinis eloquiis conparata est. Haec postea quam tacta de caelo est, sicut illorum quoque adtestatur historia et nunc ab eis qui ueniunt ad loca illa conspicitur, prodigiosa fuligine horrori est et poma eius interiorem fauillam mendaci superficie maturitatis includunt. Ecce non erat talis, et talis est. Ecce a conditore naturarum natura eius in hanc foedissimam diuersitatem mirabili mutatione conuersa est; et quod post tam longum accidit tempus, tam longo tempore perseuerat. Sicut ergo non fuit inpossibile Deo, quas uoluit instituere, sic ei non est inpossibile, in quidquid uoluerit, quas instituit, mutare naturas. Unde illorum quoque miraculorum multitudo siluescit, quae monstra ostenta, portenta prodigia nuncupantur; quae recolere et commemorare si uelim, huius operis quis erit finis? Monstra sane dicta perhibent a monstrando, quod aliquid significando demonstrent, et ostenta ab ostendendo, et portenta a portendendo, id est praeostendendo, et prodigia, quod porro dicant, id est futura praedicant. Sed uiderint eorum coniectores, quo modo ex eis siue fallantur siue instinctu spirituum, quibus cura est tali poena dignos animos hominum noxiae curiositatis retibus inplicare, etiam uera praedicant, siue multa dicendo aliquando in aliquid ueritatis incurrant. Nobis tamen ista, quae uelut contra naturam fiunt et contra naturam fieri dicuntur (quo more hominum locutus est et apostolus dicendo contra naturam in olea insitum oleastrum factum esse participem pinguedinis oleae) et monstra ostenta, portenta prodigia nuncupantur, hoc monstrare debent, hoc ostendere uel praeostendere, hoc praedicere, quod facturus sit Deus, quae de corporibus hominum se praenuntiauit esse facturum, nulla inpediente difficultate, nulla praescribente lege naturae. Quo modo autem praenuntiauerit, satis in libro superiore docuisse me existimo, decerpendo de scripturis sanctis et nouis et ueteribus non quidem omnia ad hoc pertinentia, sed quae sufficere huic operi iudicaui.

Chapter 8. That it is not against nature when, in some thing whose nature has become known, something begins to be different from what was known.

But suppose they answer that they do not believe what we say about human bodies that will always burn and never die because we know the nature of human bodies to be constituted far otherwise; so that the reason that was given for those marvelous natures cannot be given here, namely, that it can be said, “This is a natural power, this is the nature of this thing,” since we know that this is not the nature of human flesh. We have indeed an answer from the sacred writings: that this very human flesh was constituted otherwise before sin, namely, so that it could never suffer death, and otherwise after sin, such as it has become known in the troubles of this mortality, so that it cannot keep a perpetual life; so, then, it will be constituted otherwise than it is known to us in the resurrection of the dead. But since they do not believe these writings, where we read how man lived in paradise and how far he was from the necessity of death (and certainly, if they believed them, we would not be dealing at such pains with them about the punishment of the damned that is to come), something must be brought forward from the writings of those who were most learned among them, by which it may appear that it can happen that a thing is otherwise than it was previously known to be, among things, by the determination of its nature.

In the books of Marcus Varro entitled On the Race of the Roman People there is a passage which I will set down here in the same words in which it is read there: “In the sky,” he says, “a wonderful portent occurred: for Castor writes that in the most renowned star of Venus, which Plautus calls Vesperugo and Homer Hesperos, calling it most beautiful, so great a portent occurred that it changed its color, size, shape, and course; which has never happened thus before or since. Adrastus of Cyzicus and Dion of Naples, famous mathematicians, said that this happened in the reign of King Ogyges.” So great an authority as Varro would certainly not call this a portent unless it seemed to be against nature. For we say that all portents are against nature; but they are not. For how is that against nature which happens by the will of God, since the will of so great a Creator is certainly the nature of each created thing? A portent, then, happens not against nature, but against what is known of nature. And who can count the multitude of portents contained in the history of the nations? But let us now attend to this one, which bears on the matter we are dealing with. What has been so arranged by the author of the nature of heaven and earth as the most orderly course of the stars? What has been so firmly established by fixed and settled laws? And yet, when he willed who rules with supreme command and power what he created, a star, the best known of all for its size and brightness, changed its color, size, shape, and (what is more wonderful) the order and law of its course. Surely it then upset the tables of the astrologers, if there were any yet, which they keep as written with unerring computation about the past and future motions of the stars, following which tables they have dared to say that what happened to Lucifer never happened before or since. But we read in the divine books that the sun itself both stood still, when the holy man Joshua son of Nun had asked this of the Lord God, until he should finish with victory the battle he had begun, and went back, so that the fifteen years added to King Hezekiah's life might be signified by this prodigy too, joined to God's promise. But these miracles too, granted to the merits of the saints, when these people believe they happened, they attribute to magic arts. Hence what I mentioned above that Virgil said: “to stop the water in rivers and turn the stars backward.” For we read in the sacred writings both that a river stood still above and flowed on below, when the people of God were making their way under the leader mentioned above, Joshua son of Nun, and that this was done when the prophet Elijah crossed, and afterwards his disciple Elisha; and we have just mentioned that the greatest star turned back in the reign of Hezekiah. But what Varro wrote about Lucifer does not say there that it was granted to any man who asked for it.

Let unbelievers not make a fog for themselves out of their knowledge of natures, as though something other could not happen by God's power in some thing, since they have come to know its nature by their human experience; although the very things that are known to all in the nature of things are no less wonderful, and would be astonishing to all who considered them, if people were accustomed to wonder at wonders other than rare ones. For who, on reflection, does not see that in the innumerable multitude of human beings, with so great a likeness of nature, each one very wonderfully has his own face, so that, if they were not like one another, their species would not be distinguished from the other animals, and again, if they were not unlike one another, individuals would not be distinguished from other human beings? Those whom we acknowledge to be alike, then, we find to be unlike. But the consideration of unlikeness is the more wonderful, since a common nature seems more rightly to demand likeness. And yet, since rare things are the wonderful ones, we marvel much more when we find two so alike that we always or often make mistakes in telling them apart.

But what I said was written by Varro, though he is their historian and the most learned of them, perhaps they do not believe actually happened; or, because the different course of that star did not last long, but it returned to its usual one, they are less moved by this example. They have, then, another, which can be shown even now and which I think ought to be enough for them, to remind them that when they have noticed something in some constitution of nature and have come to know it very well, they ought not on that account to lay down the law to God, as if he could not turn and change it into something far other than what is known to them. The land of Sodom was certainly not as it is now, but lay with a face like the rest and flourished with the same or even richer fertility; for in the divine words it is compared to the paradise of God. After it was struck from heaven, as their history too testifies and as is now seen by those who come to those places, it is a horror with its prodigious soot, and its fruits enclose ash within under a lying surface of ripeness. See, it was not such, and it is such. See, its nature was turned by the Creator of natures, by a wonderful change, into this most foul difference; and what happened after so long a time has persisted for so long a time. As, then, it was not impossible for God to establish the natures he willed, so it is not impossible for him to change the natures he established into whatever he wills.

Hence too the multitude of those miracles grows like a forest which are called monsters, signs, portents, and prodigies; if I wished to recall and mention them, what end would there be to this work? They say that monsters (monstra) are so called from “showing” (monstrare), because they show something by signifying it; and signs (ostenta) from “displaying” (ostendere); and portents (portenta) from “portending” (portendere), that is, showing beforehand; and prodigies (prodigia) because they “speak forth” (porro dicere), that is, foretell things to come. But let their interpreters see how by them they are either deceived, or even foretell true things by the prompting of spirits whose concern is to entangle human minds deserving such a penalty in the nets of harmful curiosity, or by saying many things sometimes stumble on some truth. For us, however, these things which happen as if against nature and are said to happen against nature (in which human way of speaking the apostle too spoke, when he said that the wild olive grafted against nature into the olive became a sharer of the olive's richness), and which are called monsters, signs, portents, and prodigies, ought to show this, display or show beforehand this, foretell this: that God will do what he foretold he would do with the bodies of human beings, no difficulty hindering, no law of nature prescribing to him. How he foretold it I think I have shown sufficiently in the previous book, by gathering from the holy Scriptures, both new and old, not indeed everything pertaining to this, but what I judged enough for this work.

Josh 10:12–14 (allusion, high confidence) · 2 Kgs 20:8–11 (allusion, high confidence) · Josh 3:16 (allusion, high confidence) · 2 Kgs 2:8 (allusion, high confidence) · 2 Kgs 2:14 (allusion, high confidence) · Gen 13:10 (allusion, high confidence) · Gen 19:24–25 (allusion, high confidence) · Rom 11:24 (allusion, high confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: A portent is not against nature but against what is known of nature; God, who changed the course of Venus, stopped the sun, and turned Sodom into a waste, can change the nature of human bodies as he has foretold.

  • Varro, De gente populi Romani, quoting Castor on a change in the planet Venus in the reign of Ogyges (Plautus, Amphitruo 275; Homer, Iliad 22.318); Joshua 10:12–14; 2 Kings 20:8–11 (Isaiah 38:8); Virgil, Aeneid 4.489; Joshua 3:16; 2 Kings 2:8, 14; Genesis 13:10; 19:24–25; Romans 11:24. Augustine's etymologies of monstrum, ostentum, portentum, and prodigium follow Latin grammarians. The key definition: a portent “happens not against nature, but against what is known of nature”.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR iu for in): Vesperugiuem → Vesperuginem.

Extrabiblical texts: Varro (Varro; quotation); Virgil, Aen. 4.489 (Virgil; quotation); Plautus, Amph. 275 (Plautus, Comedies; allusion); Homer, Il. 22.318 (Homer, Iliad; allusion)

Topics: Eschatology

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Civ. 21.8 (CSEL 40:530–534; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-civitate-dei/21-5/#p-21-8). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude from Hoffmann's Latin text (CSEL 40, 1899–1900); compared afterwards with the NPNF¹ 2 translation (Dods, 1887).

21.9CSEL 40:534–537

CAPUT VIIII. De gehenna et aeternarum qualitate poenarum. Quod igitur de sempiterno supplicio damnatorum per suum prophetam Deus dixit, fiet, omnino fiet: Vermis eorum non morietur et ignis eorum non exstinguetur. Ad hoc enim uehementius commendandum etiam Dominus Iesus, cum membra quae hominem scandalizant pro his hominibus poneret, quos ut sua membra dextra quis diligit, eaque praeciperet amputari: Bonum est tibi, inquit, debilem introire in uitam quam duas manus habentem ire in gehennam, in ignem inexstinguibilem, ubi uermis eorum non morietur et ignis non exstinguetur. Similiter de pede: Bonum est tibi, inquit, claudum introire in uitam aeternam quam duos pedes habentem mitti in gehennam ignis inexstinguibilis, ubi uermis eorum non moritur et ignis non exstinguitur. Non aliter ait et de oculo: Bonum est tibi luscum introire in regnum Dei quam duos oculos habentem mitti in gehennam ignis, ubi uermis eorum non moritur et ignis non exstinguitur. Non eum piguit uno loco eadem uerba ter dicere. Quem non terreat ista repetitio et illius poenae commonitio tam uehemens ore diuino? Utrumque autem horum, ignem scilicet adque uermem, qui uolunt ad animi poenas, non ad corporis pertinere, dicunt etiam uri dolore animi sero adque infructuose paenitentes eos, qui fuerint a regno Dei separati, et ideo ignem pro isto dolore urente non incongrue poni potuisse contendunt; unde illud apostoli est: Quis scandalizatur, et non ego uror? Eundem etiam uermem putant intellegendum esse. Nam scriptum est, inquiunt: Sicut tinea uestimentum et uermis lignum, sic maeror excruciat cor uiri. Qui uero poenas et animi et corporis in illo supplicio futuras esse non dubitant, igne uri corpus, animum autem rodi quodam modo uerme maeroris adfirmant. Quod etsi credibilius dicitur, quia utique absurdum est ibi dolorem aut corporis aut animi defuturum: ego tamen facilius est ut ad corpus dicam utrumque pertinere quam neutrum, et ideo tacitum in illis diuinae scripturae uerbis animi dolorem, quoniam consequens esse intellegitur, etiamsi non dicatur, ut corpore sic dolente animus quoque sterili paenitentia crucietur. Legitur quippe et in ueteribus scripturis: Vindicta carnis inpii, ignis et uermis. Potuit breuius dici: Vindicta inpii. Quur ergo dictum est: carnis inpii, nisi quia utrumque, id est et ignis et uermis, poena erit carnis? Aut si uindictam carnis propterea dicere uoluit, quia hoc in homine uindicabitur, quod secundum carnem uixerit (propter hoc enim ueniet in mortem secundam, quam significauit apostolus dicens: Si enim secundum carnem uixeritis, moriemini), eligat quisque quod placet, aut ignem tribuere corpori, animo uermem, hoc proprie, illud tropice, aut utrumque proprie corpori. Iam enim satis superius disputaui posse animalia etiam in ignibus uiuere, in ustione sine consumtione, in dolore sine morte. per miraculum omnipotentissimi Creatoris; cui hoc possibile esse qui negat, a quo sit quidquid in naturis omnibus miratur ignorat. Ipse est enim Deus, qui omnia in hoc mundo magna et parua miracula, quae commemorauimus, et inconparabiliter plura, quae non commemorauimus, fecit eademque ipso mundo uno adque omnium maximo miraculo inclusit. Eligat ergo unum e duobus quisque quod placet, utrum et uermem ad corpus proprie an ad animum translato a corporalibus ad incorporalia uocabulo existimet pertinere. Quid autem horum uerum sit, res ipsa expeditius indicabit, quando erit scientia tanta sanctorum, ut eis cognoscendarum illarum poenarum necessaria non sit experientia, sed ea, quae tunc erit plena adque perfecta, ad hoc quoque sciendum sapientia sola sufficiat (nunc enim ex parte scimus, donec ueniat quod perfectum est); dum tamen nullo modo illa corpora talia futura esse credamus, ut nullis ab igne adficiantur doloribus.

Chapter 9. On Gehenna and the nature of the eternal punishments.

What God said, then, through his prophet about the everlasting punishment of the damned will come to pass, will certainly come to pass: “Their worm will not die, and their fire will not be quenched.” For to impress this more forcefully, the Lord Jesus too, when he set the members that cause a person to stumble for those persons whom one loves as one's own right-hand members, and commanded that they be cut off, said: “It is better for you to enter into life maimed than having two hands to go into Gehenna, into the unquenchable fire, where their worm will not die and the fire will not be quenched.” Likewise of the foot: “It is better for you,” he says, “to enter lame into eternal life than having two feet to be cast into the Gehenna of unquenchable fire, where their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched.” He speaks no differently of the eye: “It is better for you to enter one-eyed into the kingdom of God than having two eyes to be cast into the Gehenna of fire, where their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched.” He was not reluctant to say the same words three times in one place. Whom would this repetition not terrify, and so forceful a warning of that punishment from the divine mouth?

Those who want both of these, the fire and the worm, to belong to the punishments of the mind and not of the body, say that those who have been separated from the kingdom of God are burned by the pain of a mind that repents too late and fruitlessly, and so they contend that fire could not unfittingly have been put for this burning pain; hence the apostle's saying: “Who is made to stumble, and I do not burn?” They think the worm too is to be understood the same way. “For it is written,” they say, “As the moth a garment and the worm wood, so grief torments the heart of a man.” But those who do not doubt that there will be punishments of both mind and body in that torment affirm that the body is burned by fire, while the mind is in a way gnawed by the worm of grief. Although this is said more credibly, since it is certainly absurd that pain of either body or mind should be absent there, yet I would more readily say that both belong to the body than that neither does; and that the pain of the mind is not mentioned in those words of divine Scripture because it is understood to follow, even if it is not said, that while the body is in such pain the mind too is tormented by a barren repentance. For we read in the old Scriptures too: “The vengeance on the flesh of the ungodly is fire and worm.” It could have been said more briefly: “The vengeance on the ungodly.” Why, then, was it said “on the flesh of the ungodly,” unless because both, that is, the fire and the worm, will be a punishment of the flesh? Or if he wished to say “vengeance on the flesh” because what will be avenged in man is that he lived according to the flesh (for this is why he will come into the second death, which the apostle signified when he said, “For if you live according to the flesh, you will die”), let each choose what he pleases: either to assign the fire to the body and the worm to the mind, the one literally and the other figuratively, or both literally to the body. For I have already argued sufficiently above that animals can live even in fires, in burning without being consumed, in pain without death, by a miracle of the most almighty Creator; and whoever denies that this is possible for him does not know from whom comes whatever he marvels at in all natures. For it is God himself who made all the miracles in this world, great and small, which we have mentioned, and incomparably more which we have not mentioned, and enclosed them in the world itself, the one and greatest miracle of all. Let each, then, choose one of the two as he pleases, whether he thinks that the worm too belongs literally to the body, or to the mind, by a word transferred from bodily to incorporeal things. Which of these is true, the reality itself will show more readily, when the knowledge of the saints will be so great that they will not need experience to know those punishments, but their wisdom, which will then be full and perfect, will suffice by itself to know this too (for now we know in part, until what is perfect comes); provided that we in no way believe that those bodies will be such as to be affected by no pains from the fire.

Isa 66:24 (quotation, high confidence) · Mark 9:43–48 (quotation, high confidence) · 2 Cor 11:29 (quotation, high confidence) · Prov 25:20 (quotation, medium confidence) · Rom 8:13 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Cor 13:9–10 (quotation, high confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: The unquenchable fire and undying worm of Gehenna may both be bodily, or the fire bodily and the worm the mind's grief; Augustine leaves the choice open but insists that the bodies of the damned will truly feel the fire.

  • Isaiah 66:24; Mark 9:43–48 (with the Old Latin repetition of verse 48); 2 Corinthians 11:29; Proverbs 25:20 in the LXX/Old Latin addition (“As the moth a garment and the worm wood…”); Sirach 7:17 in the Latin form (“The vengeance on the flesh of the ungodly is fire and worm”); Romans 8:13; 1 Corinthians 13:9–10. Augustine leaves open whether the worm is literal or figurative, but holds that the fire will cause real bodily pain.

Extrabiblical texts: Sir 7:17 (Sirach [in RC, EO, ETH canons]; quotation)

Topics: Eschatology

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Civ. 21.9 (CSEL 40:534–537; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-civitate-dei/21-5/#p-21-9). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude from Hoffmann's Latin text (CSEL 40, 1899–1900); compared afterwards with the NPNF¹ 2 translation (Dods, 1887).