City of God 8.8–8.17
Latin text: Hoffmann, CSEL 40 (Latin text: Dombart and Hoffmann, De civitate dei (CSEL 40, 1899-1900), digitized by Open Greek and Latin (csel-dev, University of Leipzig), CC BY-SA 4.0).English: Claude (claude-opus-5-5), public domain (CC0). Compare: Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers, series 1, vol. 2 (1887).
Chapter 8
8.8CSEL 40:366–368
CAPUT VIII. Quod etiam in morali philosophia Platonici obtineant principatum. Reliqua est pars moralis, quam Graeco uocabulo dicunt ethicam, ubi quaeritur de summo bono, quo referentes omnia quae agimus, et quod non propter aliud, sed propter se ipsum adpetentes idque adipiscentes nihil, quo beati simus, ulterius requiramus. Ideo quippe et finis est dictus, quia propter hunc cetera uolumus, ipsum autem non nisi propter ipsum. Hoc ergo beatificum bonum alii a corpore, alii ab animo, alii ab utroque homini esse dixerunt. Videbant quippe ipsum hominem constare ex animo et corpore et ideo ab alterutro istorum duorum aut ab utroque bene sibi esse posse credebant, finali quodam bono, quo beati essent, quo cuncta quae agebant referrent adque id quo referendum esset non ultra quaererent. Unde illi, qui dicuntur addidisse tertium genus bonorum, quod appellatur extrinsecus, sicuti est honor gloria pecunia et si quid huius modi, non sic addiderunt, ut finale esset, id est propter se ipsum adpetendum, sed propter aliud; bonumque esse hoc genus bonis, malum autem malis. Ita bonum hominis qui uel ab animo uel a corpore uel ab utroque expetiuerunt, nihil aliud quam ab homine expetendum esse putauerunt; sed qui id adpetiuerunt a corpore, a parte hominis deteriore; qui uero ab animo, a parte meliore; qui autem ab utroque, a toto homine. Siue ergo a parte qualibet siue a toto, non nisi ab homine. Nec istae differentiae, quoniam tres sunt, ideo tres, sed multas dissensiones philosophorum sectasque fecerunt, quia et de bono corporis et de bono animi et de bono utriusque diuersi diuersa opinati sunt. Cedant igitur omnes illis philosophis, qui non dixerunt beatum esse hominem fruentem corpore uel fruentem animo, sed fruentem Deo: non sicut corpore uel se ipso animus aut sicut amico amicus, sed sicut luce oculus, si aliquid ab his ad illa similitudinis adferendum est, quod quale sit, si Deus ipse adiuuerit, alio loco, quantum per nos fieri poterit, apparebit. Nunc satis sit commemorare Platonem determinasse finem boni esse secundum uirtutem uiuere et ei soli euenire posse, qui notitiam Dei habeat et imitationem nec esse aliam ob causam beatum; ideoque non dubitat hoc esse philosophari, amare Deum, cuius natura sit incorporalis. Unde utique colligitur tunc fore beatum studiosum sapientiae (id enim est philosophus), cum frui Deo coeperit. Quamuis enim non continuo beatus sit, qui eo fruitur quod amat (multi enim amando ea, quae amanda non sunt, miseri sunt et miseriores cum fruuntur): nemo tamen beatus est, qui eo quod amat non fruitur. Nam et ipsi, qui res non amandas amant, non se beatos putant amando, sed fruendo. Quisquis ergo fruitur eo, quod amat, uerumque et summum bonum amat, quis eum beatum nisi miserrimus negat? Ipsum autem uerum ac summum bonum Plato dicit Deum, unde uult esse philosophum amatorem Dei, ut, quoniam philosophia ad beatam uitam tendit, fruens Deo sit beatus qui Deum amauerit.
Chapter 8. That the Platonists hold the first place in moral philosophy too.
There remains the moral part, which they call by the Greek word ethics, in which the question is about the supreme good: that to which we refer all that we do, and which we seek not for the sake of anything else but for its own sake, and having obtained which we seek nothing further to make us happy. For it is called the end precisely because we will other things for its sake, but it only for its own sake. Some said that this beatifying good comes to man from the body, others from the mind, others from both. For they saw that man himself consists of mind and body, and so they believed that it could be well with them from one or other of these two or from both, by a certain final good by which they might be happy, to which they might refer all that they did, and beyond which they would not seek anything to which it should be referred. Hence those who are said to have added a third kind of goods, called external, such as honor, glory, money, and anything of this kind, did not add it as final, that is, to be sought for its own sake, but for the sake of something else; and they said that this kind is good for the good and bad for the bad. So those who sought man's good from the mind or from the body or from both thought that it was to be sought from nothing but man: those who sought it from the body, from the worse part of man; those who sought it from the mind, from the better part; those who sought it from both, from the whole man. Whether from any part or from the whole, then, it was from man alone. Nor did these differences, because they are three, make only three dissensions and sects of philosophers, but many, because different men held different opinions about the good of the body, the good of the mind, and the good of both. Let all these, then, yield to those philosophers who said that man is happy not in enjoying the body or in enjoying the mind, but in enjoying God — not as the mind enjoys the body or itself, or as a friend enjoys a friend, but as the eye enjoys light, if any likeness is to be drawn from these things to that; and what this is like will appear in another place, if God himself helps, as far as we are able. For now it is enough to mention that Plato determined that the final good is to live according to virtue, and that this can happen only to one who has knowledge of God and imitates him, and that there is no other cause of happiness; and therefore he does not doubt that to philosophize is this: to love God, whose nature is incorporeal. From this it certainly follows that the student of wisdom (for that is what a philosopher is) will be happy when he has begun to enjoy God. For though one who enjoys what he loves is not at once happy (for many are wretched by loving what ought not to be loved, and more wretched when they enjoy it), yet no one is happy who does not enjoy what he loves. For even those who love things not to be loved do not think themselves happy by loving but by enjoying. Whoever, then, enjoys what he loves, and loves the true and supreme good, who but the most wretched would deny that he is happy? And Plato says that this true and supreme good is God; and so he wants the philosopher to be a lover of God, so that, since philosophy tends toward the happy life, he who has loved God may be happy in enjoying God.
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Summary: Augustine sets the Platonists above other moralists because they placed happiness not in body or mind but in the enjoyment of God, the supreme good.
- The digital text is garbled at “quo beati essent” (“by which they might be happy”); translated by the sense.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (garbled characters in the digital text for 'quo'): \\10 beati → quo beati.
Extrabiblical texts: Plato (Plato (works); allusion)
Topics: Ethics
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Civ. 8.8 (CSEL 40:366–368; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-civitate-dei/8-8/#p-8-8). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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8.9CSEL 40:368–369
CAPUT VIIII. De ea philosophia, quae ad ueritatem fidei Christianae propius accessit. Quicumque igitur philosophi de Deo summo et uero ista senserunt, quod et rerum creatarum sit effector et lumen cognoscendarum et bonum agendarum, quod ab illo nobis sit et principium naturae et ueritas doctrinae et felicitas uitae, siue Platonici adcommodatius nuncupentur, siue quodlibet aliud sectae suae nomen inponant; siue tantummodo Ionici generis, qui in eis praecipui fuerunt, ista senserint, sicut idem Plato et qui eum bene intellexerunt; siue etiam Italici, propter Pythagoram et Pythagoreos et si qui forte alii eiusdem sententiae indidem fuerunt; siue aliarum quoque gentium qui sapientes uel philosophi habiti sunt, Atlantici Libyes, Aegyptii, Indi, Persae, Chaldaei, Scythae, Galli, Hispani aliqui reperiuntur, qui hoc uiderint ac docuerint: eos omnes ceteris anteponimus eosque nobis propinquiores fatemur.
Chapter 9. On that philosophy which has come nearer to the truth of the Christian faith.
Whatever philosophers, then, have held these views about the supreme and true God — that he is the maker of created things, the light by which things are known, and the good for which things are to be done; that from him we have the principle of nature, the truth of teaching, and the happiness of life — whether they are more fittingly called Platonists or give their school some other name; whether only the chief men of the Ionian school held these views, like Plato himself and those who understood him well, or also those of the Italian school, on account of Pythagoras and the Pythagoreans and any others of the same opinion from there; or whether some are found among other nations too, who were held to be wise men or philosophers — Atlantic Libyans, Egyptians, Indians, Persians, Chaldeans, Scythians, Gauls, Spaniards — who saw and taught this: all these we place before the rest, and we acknowledge them to be nearer to us.
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Summary: Augustine prefers any philosophers, of whatever school or nation, who hold God to be the source of being, knowledge, and happiness.
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Civ. 8.9 (CSEL 40:368–369; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-civitate-dei/8-8/#p-8-9). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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8.10CSEL 40:369–371
CAPUT X. Quae sit inter philosophicas artes religiosi excellentia Christiani. Quamuis enim homo Christianus litteris tantum ecclesiasticis eruditus Platonicorum forte nomen ignoret, nec utrum duo genera philosophorum extiterint in Graeca lingua, Ionicorum et Italicorum, sciat: non tamen ita surdus est in rebus humanis, ut nesciat philosophos uel studium sapientiae uel ipsam sapientiam profiteri. Cauet eos tamen, qui secundum elementa huius mundi philosophantur, non secundum Deum, a quo ipse factus est mundus. Admonetur enim praecepto apostolico fideliterque audit quod dictum est: Cauete ne quis uos decipiat per philosophiam et inanem seductionem secundum elementa mundi. Deinde ne omnes tales esse arbitretur, audit ab eodem apostolo dici de quibusdam: Quia quod notum est Dei, manifestum est in illis; Deus enim illis manifestauit. Inuisibilia enim eius a constitutione mundi per ea, quae facta sunt, intellecta conspiciuntur, sempiterna quoque uirtus eius et diuinitas, et ubi Atheniensibus loquens, cum rem magnam de Deo dixisset et quae a paucis possit intellegi, quod in illo uiuimus et mouemur et sumus, adiecit et ait: Sicut et uestri quidam dixerunt. Nouit sane etiam ipsos, in quibus errant, cauere; ubi enim dictum est, quod per ea, quae facta sunt, Deus illis manifestauit intellectu conspicienda inuisibilia sua: ibi etiam dictum est non illos ipsum Deum recte coluisse, quia et aliis rebus, quibus non oportebat, diuinos honores illi uni tantum debitos detulerunt: Quoniam cognoscentes Deum non sicut Deum glorificauerunt aut gratias egerunt, sed euanuerunt in cogitationibus suis et obscuratum est cor insipiens eorum. Dicentes enim se esse sapientes stulti facti sunt et inmutauerunt gloriam incorruptibilis Dei in similitudinem imaginis corruptibilis hominis et uolucrum et quadrupedum et serpentium; ubi et Romanos et Graecos et Aegyptios, qui de sapientiae nomine gloriati sunt, fecit intellegi. Sed de hoc cum istis post modum disputabimus. In quo autem nobis consentiunt de uno Deo huius uniuersitatis auctore, qui non solum super omnia corpora est incorporeus, uerum etiam super omnes animas incorruptibilis, principium nostrum, lumen nostrum, bonum nostrum, in hoc eos ceteris anteponimus. Nec, si litteras eorum Christianus ignorans uerbis, quae non didicit, in disputatione non utitur, ut uel naturalem Latine uel physicam Graece appellet eam partem, in qua de naturae inquisitione tractatur, et rationalem siue logicam, in qua quaeritur quonam modo ueritas percipi possit, et moralem uel ethicam, in qua de moribus agitur bonorumque finibus adpetendis malorumque uitandis, ideo nescit ab uno uero Deo adque optimo et naturam nobis esse, qua facti ad eius imaginem sumus, et doctrinam, qua eum nosque nouerimus, et gratiam, qua illi cohaerendo beati simus. Haec itaque causa est quur istos ceteris praeferamus, quia, cum alii philosophi ingenia sua studiaque contriuerint in requirendis rerum causis, et quinam esset modus discendi adque uiuendi, isti Deo cognito reppererunt ubi esset et causa constitutae uniuersitatis et lux percipiendae ueritatis et fons bibendae felicitatis. Siue ergo isti Platonici siue quicumque alii quarumlibet gentium philosophi de Deo ista sentiunt, nobiscum sentiunt. Sed ideo cum Platonicis magis agere placuit hanc causam, quia eorum sunt litterae notiores. Nam et Graeci, quorum lingua in gentibus praeminet, eas magna praedicatione celebrarunt, et Latini permoti earum uel excellentia uel gloria, ipsas libentius didicerunt adque in nostrum eloquium transferendo nobiliores clarioresque fecerunt.
Chapter 10. What is the excellence of the religious Christian among the philosophical arts.
For though a Christian educated only in the writings of the church may perhaps not know the name of the Platonists, nor know whether there have been two schools of philosophers in the Greek language, the Ionian and the Italian, yet he is not so deaf in human affairs as not to know that philosophers profess either the pursuit of wisdom or wisdom itself. He is wary, however, of those who philosophize according to the elements of this world, not according to God, by whom the world itself was made. For he is warned by the apostle's precept and listens faithfully to what was said: “Beware lest anyone deceive you through philosophy and empty seduction according to the elements of the world.” Then, lest he think that all are such, he hears the same apostle say of some: “For what is known of God is manifest among them; for God has manifested it to them. For his invisible things, from the creation of the world, are clearly seen, being understood through the things that are made, his eternal power also and divinity.” And when he spoke to the Athenians, after he had said a great thing about God, which can be understood by few, that “in him we live and move and have our being,” he added: “as some of your own have also said.” He knows, of course, to be wary of them too in the points on which they err. For where it was said that God has manifested to them through the things that are made his invisible things, to be seen by the understanding, there it was also said that they did not rightly worship God himself, because they paid to other things also, to which it was not fitting, the divine honors due to him alone: “Because, knowing God, they did not glorify him as God or give thanks, but became vain in their thoughts, and their foolish heart was darkened. For, claiming to be wise, they became fools, and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into the likeness of the image of corruptible man, and of birds and four-footed beasts and serpents.” There he made us understand the Romans and the Greeks and the Egyptians, who gloried in the name of wisdom. But about this we shall argue with them later. In so far as they agree with us about the one God, the author of this universe, who is not only incorporeal above all bodies but also incorruptible above all souls — our principle, our light, our good — in this we place them before the rest. Nor, if a Christian who does not know their writings does not use in discussion words he has not learned — calling that part in which the investigation of nature is treated natural in Latin or physics in Greek; and the part in which it is asked how truth can be perceived, rational or logic; and the part in which morals are treated, and the ends of goods to be sought and of evils to be avoided, moral or ethics — does he therefore not know that from the one true and supremely good God we have the nature by which we were made in his image, the teaching by which we know him and ourselves, and the grace by which, cleaving to him, we are happy. This, then, is the reason why we prefer these to the rest: whereas other philosophers wore out their talents and studies in seeking the causes of things and the right way of learning and living, these, having known God, found where the cause of the established universe, the light for perceiving truth, and the fountain for drinking happiness are to be found. Whether, then, these Platonists or any other philosophers of any nations hold these views about God, they agree with us. But I have chosen to argue this case rather with the Platonists because their writings are better known. For the Greeks, whose language is pre-eminent among the nations, have celebrated them with great praise; and the Latins, moved by their excellence or their glory, have studied them more willingly and, by translating them into our tongue, have made them more renowned and illustrious.
Col 2:8 (quotation, high confidence) · Rom 1:19 (quotation, high confidence) · Rom 1:20 (quotation, high confidence) · Acts 17:28 (quotation, high confidence) · Rom 1:21 (quotation, high confidence) · Rom 1:22 (quotation, high confidence) · Rom 1:23 (quotation, high confidence) · Gen 1:27 (echo, medium confidence)
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Summary: Augustine explains that a Christian, warned by Paul against worldly philosophy yet told that some knew God from creation, rightly prefers the Platonists for what they grasped of the one God.
- Quotes Col 2:8; Rom 1:19–20; Acts 17:28 (Paul quoting the Greek poet Aratus); Rom 1:21–23. “Made in his image” echoes Gen 1:27.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (letter-spaced type split into letters; stray period for comma): u i u i m u s → uiuimus; Aegyptios. qui → Aegyptios, qui; tractatur. et rationalem → tractatur, et rationalem.
Topics: Scripture and canon
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Civ. 8.10 (CSEL 40:369–371; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-civitate-dei/8-8/#p-8-10). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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8.11CSEL 40:371–373
CAPUT XI. Unde Plato eam intellegentiam potuerit adquirere, qua Christianae scientiae propinquauit. Mirantur autem quidam nobis in Christi gratia sociati, cum audiunt uel legunt Platonem de Deo ista sensisse, quae multum congruere ueritati nostrae religionis agnoscunt. Unde nonnulli putauerunt eum, quando perrexit in Aegyptum, Hieremiam audisse prophetam uel scripturas propheticas in eadem peregrinatione legisse; quorum quidem opinionem in quibusdam libris meis posui. Sed diligenter subputata temporum ratio, quae chronica historia continetur, Platonem indicat a tempore, quo prophetauit Hieremias, centum ferme annos postea natum fuisse; qui cum octoginta et unum uixisset, ab anno mortis eius usque ad id tempus, quo Ptolomaeus rex Aegypti scripturas propheticas gentis Hebraeorum de Iudaea poposcit et per septuaginta uiros Hebraeos, qui etiam Graecam linguam nouerant, interpretandas habendasque curauit, anni reperiuntur ferme sexaginta. Quapropter in illa peregrinatione sua Plato nec Hieremiam uidere potuit tanto ante defunctum, nec easdem scripturas legere, quae nondum fuerant in Graecam linguam translatae, qua ille pollebat; nisi forte, quia fuit acerrimi studii, sicut Aegyptias, ita et istas per interpretem didicit, non ut scribendo transferret (quod Ptolomaeus pro ingenti beneficio, qui a regia potestate etiam timeri poterat, meruisse perhibetur, sed ut conloquendo quid continerent, quantum capere posset, addisceret. Hoc ut existimetur, illa suadere uidentur indicia, quod liber geneseos sic incipit: In principio fecit Deus caelum et terram. Terra autem erat inuisibilis et inconposita, et tenebrae [erant] super abyssum, et spiritus Dei superferebatur super aquam; in Timaeo autem Plato, quem librum de mundi constitutione conscripsit, Deum dicit in illo opere terram primo ignemque iunxisse. Manifestum est autem, quod igni tribuat caeli locum: habet ergo haec sententia quandam illius similitudinem, qua dictum est: In principio fecit Deus caelum et terram. Deinde illa duo media, quibus interpositis sibimet haec extrema copularentur, aquam dicit et aerem; unde putatur sic intellexisse quod scriptum est: spiritus Dei superferebatur super aquam. Parum quippe adtendens quo more soleat illa scriptura appellare spiritum Dei, quoniam et aer spiritus dicitur, quattuor opinatus elementa loco illo commemorata uideri potest Deinde quod Plato dicit amatorem Dei esse philosophum, nihil sic illis sacris litteris flagrat; et maxime illud (quod et me plurimum adducit, ut paene adsentiar Platonem illorum librorum expertem non fuisse), quod, cum ad sanctum Moysen ita uerba Dei per angelum perferantur, ut quaerenti quod sit nomen eius, qui eum pergere praecipiebat ad populum Hebraeum ex Aegypto liberandum, respondeatur: Ego sum qui sum, et dices filiis Israel: Qui est, misit me ad uos, tamquam in eius conparatione, qui uere est quia incommutabilis est, ea quae mutabilia facta sunt non sint, uehementer hoc Plato tenuit et diligentissime commendauit. Et nescio utrum hoc uspiam reperiatur in libris eorum, qui ante Platonem fuerunt, nisi ubi dictum est: Ego sum qui sum, et dices eis: Qui est, misit me ad uos.
Chapter 11. How Plato could have acquired that understanding by which he came near to Christian knowledge.
Some who are joined with us in the grace of Christ are amazed when they hear or read that Plato held views about God which they recognize to agree closely with the truth of our religion. Hence some have thought that when he went to Egypt he heard the prophet Jeremiah, or read the prophetic Scriptures on that same journey; and I myself set down their opinion in certain of my books. But a careful calculation of dates, contained in chronological history, shows that Plato was born about a hundred years after the time when Jeremiah prophesied; and since he lived eighty-one years, from the year of his death to the time when Ptolemy, king of Egypt, asked for the prophetic Scriptures of the Hebrew people from Judea, and had them translated and kept by seventy Hebrew men who also knew the Greek language, about sixty years are found. Therefore on that journey Plato could neither have seen Jeremiah, who had died so long before, nor read those Scriptures, which had not yet been translated into the Greek language in which he excelled — unless perhaps, being of most eager study, he learned them through an interpreter, as he did the Egyptian writings; not so as to translate them in writing (which Ptolemy, who could even be feared for his royal power, is said to have earned as a great favor), but so as to learn by conversation, as far as he could grasp it, what they contained. That this should be thought, some indications seem to suggest. The book of Genesis begins thus: “In the beginning God made heaven and earth. But the earth was invisible and without form, and darkness was over the abyss, and the Spirit of God was borne over the water.” And in the Timaeus, the book Plato wrote on the formation of the world, he says that God in that work first joined earth and fire. It is plain that he assigns to fire the place of heaven; so this opinion has a certain likeness to what was said, “In the beginning God made heaven and earth.” Then he says that the two means, by whose interposition these extremes were joined to each other, are water and air; from which he is thought to have understood thus what is written, “the Spirit of God was borne over the water.” For, paying little attention to the way in which that Scripture usually speaks of the Spirit of God, since air too is called spirit, he may seem to have thought that the four elements were mentioned in that place. Then, as for Plato's saying that the philosopher is a lover of God, nothing burns so brightly in those sacred writings. And above all there is this (which most of all leads me almost to agree that Plato was not unacquainted with those books): when the words of God are brought by an angel to holy Moses, and to him, asking the name of the one who commanded him to go and free the Hebrew people from Egypt, the answer is given, “I am who am; and you shall say to the children of Israel, He who is has sent me to you” — as though, in comparison with him who truly is because he is unchangeable, the things made changeable do not exist — Plato held this vehemently and commended it most diligently. And I do not know whether this is found anywhere in the books of those who were before Plato, except where it was said, “I am who am; and you shall say to them, He who is has sent me to you.”
Textual problem in this passage: see the notes.
Gen 1:1 (quotation, high confidence) · Gen 1:2 (quotation, high confidence) · Exod 3:14 (quotation, high confidence)
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Summary: Augustine corrects his earlier view that Plato met Jeremiah, but suggests Plato may have learned of the Scriptures through an interpreter, citing likenesses to Genesis 1 and to God's name 'I am who am.'
- Quotes Gen 1:1–2 and Exod 3:14 in Augustine's Latin. The earlier opinion was given in On Christian Teaching 2.28.43, and is corrected in Retractations 2.4.2. Compare Plato, Timaeus 31b–32b, on the elements. The editor deletes “erant” in the Genesis quotation.
Extrabiblical texts: Plato, Tim. 31b–32b (Plato (works); allusion)
Topics: Scripture and canon
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Civ. 8.11 (CSEL 40:371–373; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-civitate-dei/8-8/#p-8-11). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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8.12CSEL 40:373–375
CAPUT XII. Quod etiam Platonici, licet de uno uero Deo bene senserint, multis tamen dis sacra facienda censuerint. Sed undecumque ille ista didicerit, siue praecedentibus eum ueterum libris siue potius, quo modo dicit apostolus, quia quod notum est Dei manifestum est in illis; Deus enim illis manifestauit; inuisibilia enim eius a constitutione mundi per ea, quae facta sunt, intellecta conspiciuntur, sempiterna quoque uirtus eius et diuinitas: nunc non inmerito me Platonicos philosophos elegisse cum quibus agam, quod in ista quaestione, quam modo suscepimus, agitur de naturali theologia, utrum propter felicitatem, quae post mortem futura est, uni Deo an pluribus sacra facere oporteat, satis, ut existimo, exposui. Ideo quippe hos potissimum elegi, quoniam de uno Deo qui fecit caelum et terram, quanto melius senserunt, tanto ceteris gloriosiores et inlustriores habentur, in tantum aliis praelati iudicio posterorum, ut, cum Aristoteles, Platonis discipulus, uir excellentis ingenii et eloquio Platoni quidem inpar, sed multos facile superans, cum sectam Peripateticam condidisset, quod deambulans disputare consueuerat, plurimosque discipulos praeclara fama excellens uiuo adhuc praeceptore in suam haeresim congregasset, post mortem uero Platonis Speusippus, sororis eius filius, et Xenocrates, dilectus eius discipulus, in scholam eius, quae Academia uocabatur, eidem successissent adque ob hoc et ipsi et eorum successores Academici appellarentur, recentiores tamen philosophi nobilissimi, quibus Plato sectandus placuit, noluerint se dici Peripateticos aut Academicos, sed Platonicos. Ex quibus sunt ualde nobilitati Graeci Plotinus, Iamblichus, Porphyrius; in utraque autem lingua, id est et Graeca et Latina, Apuleius Afer extitit Platonicus nobilis. Sed hi omnes et ceteri eius modi et ipse Plato dis plurimis esse sacra facienda putauerunt.
Chapter 12. That even the Platonists, though they thought rightly about the one true God, nevertheless judged that sacrifices should be offered to many gods.
But wherever he learned these things — whether from the books of the ancients who preceded him, or rather, as the apostle says, because “what is known of God is manifest among them; for God has manifested it to them; for his invisible things, from the creation of the world, are clearly seen, being understood through the things that are made, his eternal power also and divinity” — I think I have now sufficiently shown that I have not undeservedly chosen the Platonic philosophers to deal with, since in this question which we have just taken up, the matter at issue is natural theology: whether, for the sake of the happiness that is to come after death, sacrifice ought to be offered to one God or to many. I chose these above all because, the better they thought of the one God who made heaven and earth, the more glorious and illustrious they are held to be than the rest. They are preferred to the others by the judgment of posterity to such a degree that, although Aristotle, Plato's disciple, a man of excellent talent, unequal to Plato in eloquence but easily surpassing many, founded the Peripatetic school — so named because he was accustomed to dispute while walking about — and, being outstanding in fame, gathered very many disciples into his sect while his teacher was still living; and although after Plato's death Speusippus, his sister's son, and Xenocrates, his beloved disciple, succeeded him in his school, which was called the Academy, and for this reason they and their successors were called Academics — yet the more recent and most noted philosophers who chose to follow Plato did not wish to be called Peripatetics or Academics, but Platonists. Among these the Greeks Plotinus, Iamblichus, and Porphyry are highly renowned; and in both languages, that is, Greek and Latin, Apuleius the African was a noted Platonist. But all these and others of this kind, and Plato himself, thought that sacrifices should be offered to many gods.
Rom 1:19 (quotation, high confidence) · Rom 1:20 (quotation, high confidence)
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Summary: Augustine explains why he debates the Platonists — Plotinus, Iamblichus, Porphyry, Apuleius — and notes that they all nevertheless offered sacrifice to many gods.
- Quotes Rom 1:19–20 again. Apuleius of Madaura, the Latin Platonist, has no entry in the site's list of extrabiblical texts.
Extrabiblical texts: Aristotle (Aristotle (works); allusion); Plotinus (Plotinus, Enneads; allusion)
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Civ. 8.12 (CSEL 40:373–375; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-civitate-dei/8-8/#p-8-12). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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8.13CSEL 40:375–376
CAPUT XIII. De sententia Platonis, qua definiuit deos non esse nisi bonos amicosque uirtutum. Quamquam ergo a nobis et in aliis multis rebus magnisque dissentiant, in hoc tamen, quod modo posui, quia neque parua res est et inde nunc quaestio est, primum ab eis quaero, quibus dis istum cultum exhibendum arbitrentur, utrum bonis an malis an et bonis et malis. Sed habemus Platonis sententiam dicentis omnes deos bonos esse nec esse omnino ullum deorum malum. Consequens est igitur, ut bonis haec exhibenda intellegantur; tunc enim dis exhibentur, quoniam nec di erunt, si boni non erunt. Hoc si ita est, (nam de dis quid aliud decet credere?) illa profecto uacuatur opinio, qua nonnulli putant deos malos sacris placandos esse, ne laedant, bonos autem, ut adiuuent, inuocandos. Mali enim nulli sunt di; bonis porro debitus, ut dicunt, honor sacrorum est deferendus. Qui sunt ergo illi, qui ludos scaenicos amant eosque diuinis rebus adiungi et suis honoribus flagitant exhiberi? quorum uis non eos indicat nullos, sed iste adfectus nimirum indicat malos. Quid enim de ludis scaenicis Plato senserit, notum est, cum poetas ipsos, quod tam indigna deorum maiestate adque bonitate carmina conposuerint, censet ciuitate pellendos. Qui sunt igitur isti di, qui de scaenicis ludis cum ipso Platone contendunt? Ille quippe non patitur deos falsis criminibus infamari; isti eisdem criminibus suos honores celebrari iubent. Denique isti cum eosdem ludos instaurari praeciperent, poscentes turpia etiam maligna gesserunt, Tito Latinio auferentes filium et inmittentes morbum, quod eorum abnuisset imperium, eumque morbum retrahentes, cum iussa conplesset; iste autem illos nec tam malos timendos putat, sed suae sententiae robur constantissime retinens omnes poetarum sacrilegas nugas, quibus illi inmunditiae societate oblectantur, a populo bene instituto remouere non dubitat. Hunc autem Platonem, quod iam in secundo libro commemoraui, inter semideos Labeo ponit. Qui Labeo numina mala uictimis cruentis adque huius modi supplicationibus placari existimat, bona uero ludis et talibus quasi ad laetitiam pertinentibus rebus. Quid est ergo quod semideus Plato non semideis, sed deis, et hoc bonis, illa oblectamenta, quia iudicat turpia, tam constanter audet auferre? Qui sane di refellunt sententiam Labeonis; nam se in Latinio non lasciuos tantum adque ludibundos, sed etiam saeuos terribilesque monstrarunt. Exponant ergo nobis ista Platonici, qui omnes deos secundum auctoris sui sententiam bonos et honestos et uirtutibus sapientium socios esse arbitrantur aliterque de ullo deorum sentiri nefas habent. Exponimus, inquiunt. Adtente igitur audiamus.
Chapter 13. On the opinion of Plato, by which he defined the gods to be only good and friends of the virtues.
Although they disagree with us in many other great matters too, yet on this point which I have just stated — since it is no small matter and the question now turns on it — I first ask them to which gods they think this worship should be offered: to good ones, to bad ones, or to both good and bad. But we have the opinion of Plato, who says that all the gods are good and that there is no bad god at all. It follows, then, that these things are to be understood as offered to good gods; for then they are offered to gods, since they will not be gods if they are not good. If this is so (and what else is it fitting to believe about gods?), then the opinion is surely emptied by which some think that bad gods must be appeased with sacrifices, so that they may not harm, and good gods invoked, so that they may help. For there are no bad gods; and to the good, as they say, the due honor of sacrifices is to be paid. Who, then, are those who love the stage plays and demand that they be joined to divine rites and exhibited in their honor? Their power shows that they are not nothing; but this taste of theirs surely shows that they are bad. For what Plato thought of stage plays is well known, since he judges that the poets themselves should be driven out of the city for having composed poems so unworthy of the majesty and goodness of the gods. Who, then, are these gods who contend with Plato himself over the stage plays? He does not allow the gods to be defamed with false crimes; they order their honors to be celebrated with those same crimes. Indeed, when they commanded that those same plays be renewed, they demanded shameful things and also did malicious ones, taking away the son of Titus Latinius and sending a disease on him because he had refused their command, and withdrawing the disease when he had carried out their orders. But Plato does not think that they, however bad, are to be feared; holding most steadfastly to the strength of his opinion, he does not hesitate to remove from a well-ordered people all the sacrilegious trifles of the poets, in which those gods delight through their fellowship in uncleanness. And this Plato, as I mentioned already in the second book, Labeo places among the demigods. Labeo thinks that bad deities are appeased with bloody victims and supplications of that kind, but good ones with plays and such things as pertain, as it were, to gladness. Why is it, then, that the demigod Plato so steadfastly dares to take away these delights, because he judges them shameful, not from demigods but from gods, and good ones at that? These gods indeed refute Labeo's opinion; for in the case of Latinius they showed themselves not only wanton and playful but also cruel and terrible. Let the Platonists, then, explain these things to us, who, following the opinion of their founder, think all the gods good and honorable and companions of the virtues of the wise, and hold it wicked to think otherwise of any of the gods. “We explain,” they say. Let us listen attentively, then.
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Summary: Augustine argues that since Plato held all gods to be good and banished the poets, the beings who demand obscene plays and punished Titus Latinius cannot be good gods.
- Plato's view that the gods are good and his expulsion of the poets are in the Republic (2.379a–c; 3.398a). The story of Titus Latinius is told by Livy 2.36 and Cicero, On Divination 1.26.55; see City of God 4.26. On Labeo, see 2.14 (no entry for Labeo in the site's list of extrabiblical texts).
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (stray comma; stray period): tam malos. timendos → tam malos timendos; nam, se in Latinio → nam se in Latinio.
Extrabiblical texts: Plato, Resp. 379a–c; 398a (Plato (works); allusion); Livy, 2.36 (Livy, History of Rome; allusion); Cicero, Div. 1.26.55 (Cicero; allusion)
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Civ. 8.13 (CSEL 40:375–376; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-civitate-dei/8-8/#p-8-13). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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8.14CSEL 40:376–379
CAPUT XIIII. De opinione eorum, qui rationales animas trium generum esse dixerunt, id est in dis caelestibus, in daemonibus aeriis et in hominibus terrenis. Omnium, inquiunt, animalium, in quibus est anima rationalis, tripertita diuisio est, in deos, homines, daemones. Di excelsissimum locum tenent, homines infimum, daemones medium. Nam deorum sedes in caelo est, hominum in terra, in aere daemonum. Sicut eis diuersa dignitas est locorum, ita etiam naturarum. Proinde di sunt hominibus daemonibusque potiores; homines uero infra deos et daemones constituti sunt, ut elementorum ordine, sic differentia meritorum. Daemones igitur medii, quem ad modum dis, quibus inferius habitant, postponendi, ita hominibus, quibus superius, praeferendi sunt. Habent enim cum dis communem inmortalitatem corporum, animorum autem cum hominibus passiones. Quapropter non est mirum, inquiunt, si etiam ludorum obscenitatibus et poetarum figmentis delectantur, quando quidem humanis capiuntur adfectibus, a quibus di longe absunt et modis omnibus alieni sunt. Ex quo colligitur, Platonem poetica detestando et prohibendo figmenta non deos, qui omnes boni et excelsi sunt, priuasse ludorum scaenicorum uoluptate, sed daemones. Haec si ita sunt (quae licet aput alios quoque reperiantur, Apuleius tamen Platonicus Madaurensis de hac re sola unum scripsit librum, cuius esse titulum uoluit de deo Socratis, ubi disserit et exponit, ex quo genere numinum Socrates habebat adiunctum et amicitia quadam conciliatum, a quo perhibetur solitus admoneri, ut desisteret ab agendo, quando id quod agere uolebat, non prospere fuerat euenturum; dicit enim apertissime et copiosissime adserit non illum deum fuisse, sed daemonem, diligenti disputatione pertractans istam Platonis de deorum sublimitate et hominum humilitate et daemonum medietate sententiam) — haec ergo si ita sunt, quonam modo ausus est Plato, etiamsi non dis, quos ab omni humana contagione semouit, certe ipsis daemonibus poetas urbe pellendo auferre theatricas uoluptates, nisi quia hoc pacto admonuit animum humanum, quamuis adhuc in his moribundis membris positum, pro splendore honestatis inpura daemonum iussa contemnere eorumque inmunditiam detestari? Nam si Plato haec honestissime arguit et prohibuit, profecto daemones turpissime poposcerunt adque iusserunt. Aut ergo fallitur Apuleius et non ex isto genere numinum habuit amicum Socrates aut contraria inter se sentit Plato modo daemones honorando, modo eorum delicias a ciuitate bene morata remouendo, aut non est Socrati amicitia daemonis gratulanda, de qua usque adeo et ipse Apuleius erubuit, ut de deo Socratis praenotaret librum, quem secundum suam disputationem, qua deos a daemonibus tam diligenter copioseque discernit, non appellare de deo, sed de daemone Socratis debuit. Maluit autem hoc in ipsa disputatione quam in titulo libri ponere. Ita enim per sanam doctrinam, quae humanis rebus inluxit, omnes uel paene omnes daemonum nomen exhorrent, ut, quisquis ante disputationem Apulei, qua daemonum dignitas commendatur, titulum libri de daemone Socratis legeret, nequaquam illum hominem sanum fuisse sentiret. Quid autem etiam ipse Apuleius quod in daemonibus laudaret inuenit praeter subtilitatem et firmitatem corporum et habitationis altiorem locum? Nam de moribus eorum, cum de omnibus generaliter loqueretur, non solum nihil boni dixit, sed etiam plurimum mali. Denique lecto illo libro prorsus nemo miratur eos etiam scaenicam turpitudinem in rebus diuinis habere uoluisse, et cum deos se putari uelint, deorum criminibus oblectari potuisse, et quidquid in eorum sacris obscena sollemnitate seu turpi crudelitate uel ridetur uel horretur, eorum adfectibus conuenire.
Chapter 14. On the opinion of those who said that rational souls are of three kinds: in the heavenly gods, in the aerial demons, and in earthly men.
“Of all living beings,” they say, “in which there is a rational soul, there is a threefold division: into gods, men, and demons. The gods hold the highest place, men the lowest, demons the middle. For the seat of the gods is in heaven, that of men on earth, that of demons in the air. As the dignity of their places differs, so does that of their natures. Accordingly the gods are superior to men and demons; men are placed below gods and demons, in the order of the elements as in the difference of their merits. The demons, then, being in the middle, are to be ranked below the gods, beneath whom they dwell, and above men, above whom they dwell. For they have in common with the gods immortality of body, and with men the passions of the mind. Therefore,” they say, “it is not surprising if they delight even in the obscenities of plays and the fictions of poets, since they are captured by human feelings, from which the gods are far removed and wholly alien.” From this it is concluded that Plato, by detesting and forbidding poetic fictions, deprived not the gods, who are all good and exalted, of the pleasure of stage plays, but the demons. If these things are so — and though they are found in other writers too, Apuleius the Platonist of Madaura wrote a whole book on this subject alone, whose title he chose to be On the God of Socrates. In it he discusses and explains to what class of deities belonged the being that was joined to Socrates and bound to him by a kind of friendship, by whom he is said to have been usually warned to desist from acting when what he wanted to do was not going to turn out well. For he says most plainly, and asserts at great length, that it was not a god but a demon, treating with careful argument this opinion of Plato's about the exaltation of the gods, the lowliness of men, and the middle position of demons. If these things are so, then, how did Plato dare, by expelling the poets from the city, to take away theatrical pleasures, if not from the gods, whom he removed from all human contact, then certainly from the demons themselves — unless it was that in this way he warned the human mind, though still placed in these dying members, to despise the impure commands of the demons for the sake of the splendor of honor, and to detest their uncleanness? For if Plato most honorably censured and forbade these things, then surely the demons most shamefully demanded and commanded them. Either, then, Apuleius is mistaken and Socrates did not have a friend of this class of deities; or Plato holds contradictory views, now honoring the demons, now removing their delights from a well-ordered city; or Socrates is not to be congratulated on the friendship of a demon — about which even Apuleius himself was so ashamed that he entitled his book On the God of Socrates, when according to his own argument, by which he distinguishes gods from demons so carefully and fully, he ought to have called it not On the God but On the Demon of Socrates. But he preferred to put this in the discussion itself rather than in the title of the book. For through the sound teaching that has shone on human affairs, all or nearly all shudder at the name of demons, so that whoever, before reading Apuleius's argument commending the dignity of demons, read the title of a book On the Demon of Socrates would think that the man was by no means sane. And what did Apuleius himself find to praise in demons, except the subtlety and firmness of their bodies and the higher place of their dwelling? For of their morals, when he spoke of all of them in general, he not only said nothing good but a great deal that was bad. In short, when that book has been read, no one at all is surprised that they wished to have even the shamefulness of the stage among divine rites, and that, wishing to be thought gods, they could be delighted by the crimes of the gods; and that whatever in their rites is laughed at or shuddered at, whether obscene solemnity or shameful cruelty, suits their passions.
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Summary: Augustine reports the Platonist scheme of gods, demons, and men, and uses Apuleius' On the God of Socrates to argue that demons, not gods, demand obscene rites.
- Apuleius, On the God of Socrates (De deo Socratis), is the source throughout Books 8–9; it has no entry in the site's list of extrabiblical texts. The middle place of demons comes from Plato, Symposium 202e–203a.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (stray period for comma): locorum. ita → locorum, ita.
Extrabiblical texts: Plato, Symp. 202e–203a (Plato (works); allusion)
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Civ. 8.14 (CSEL 40:376–379; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-civitate-dei/8-8/#p-8-14). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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8.15CSEL 40:379–381
CAPUT XV. Quod neque propter aeria corpora neque propter superiora habitacula daemones hominibus antecellant. Quam ob rem absit ut ista considerans animus ueraciter religiosus et uero Deo subditus ideo arbitretur daemones se ipso esse meliores, quod habeant corpora meliora. Alioquin multas sibi et bestias praelaturus est, quae nos et acrimonia sensuum et motu facillimo adque celerrimo et ualentia uirium et annosissima firmitate corporum uincunt. Quis hominum uidendo aequabitur aquilis et uulturibus? quis odorando canibus? quis uelocitate leporibus, ceruis, omnibus auibus? quis multum ualendo leonibus et elephantis? quis diu uiuendo serpentibus, qui etiam deposita tunica senectutem deponere adque in iuuentam redire perhibentur? Sed sicut his omnibus ratiocinando et intellegendo meliores sumus, ita etiam daemonibus bene adque honeste uiuendo meliores esse debemus. Ob hoc enim et prouidentia diuina eis, quibus nos constat esse potiores, data sunt quaedam potiora corporum munera, ut illud, quo eis praeponimur, etiam isto modo nobis commendaretur multo maiore cura excolendum esse quam corpus, ipsamque excellentiam corporalem, quam daemones habere nossemus, prae bonitate uitae, qua illis anteponimur, contemnere disceremus, habituri et nos inmortalitatem corporum, non quam suppliciorum aeternitas torqueat, sed quam puritas praecedat animorum. Iam uero de loci altitudine, quod daemones in aere, nos autem habitamus in terra, ita permoueri, ut hinc eos nobis esse praeponendos existimemus, omnino ridiculum est. Hoc enim pacto nobis et omnia uolatilia praeponimus. At enim uolatilia cum uolando fatigantur uel reficiendum alimentis corpus habent, terram repetunt uel ad requiem uel ad pastum, quod daemones, inquiunt, non faciunt. Numquid ergo placet eis, ut uolatilia nobis, daemones autem etiam uolatilibus antecellant? Quod si dementissimum est opinari, nihil est quod de habitatione superioris elementi dignos esse daemones existimemus, quibus nos religionis adfectu subdere debeamus. Sicut enim fieri potuit, ut aeriae uolucres terrestribus nobis non solum non praeferantur, uerum etiam subiciantur propter rationalis animae, quae in nobis est, dignitatem: ita fieri potuit, ut daemones, quamuis magis aerii sint, terrestribus nobis non ideo meliores sint, quia est aer quam terra superior; sed ideo eis homines praeferendi sint, quoniam spei piorum hominum nequaquam illorum desperatio conparanda est. Nam et illa ratio Platonis, qua elementa quattuor proportione contexit adque ordinat, ita duobus extremis, igni mobilissimo et terrae inmobili, media duo, aerem et aquam, interserens, ut, quanto est aer aquis et aere ignis, tanto et aquae superiores sint terris, satis nos admonet animalium merita non pro elementorum gradibus aestimare. Et ipse quippe Apuleius cum ceteris terrestre animal hominem dicit, qui tamen longe praeponitur animalibus aquatilibus, cum ipsas aquas terris praeponat Plato: ut intellegant, non eundem ordinem tenendum, cum agitur de meritis animarum, qui uidetur esse ordo in gradibus corporum; sed fieri posse, ut inferius corpus anima melior inhabitet deteriorque superius.
Chapter 15. That demons do not excel men either because of their aerial bodies or because of their higher dwelling places.
Therefore, far be it that a truly religious mind, subject to the true God, considering these things, should think that demons are better than itself because they have better bodies. Otherwise it will also prefer to itself many beasts, which surpass us in keenness of senses, in the easiest and swiftest motion, in strength, and in the long-lasting firmness of their bodies. What man will equal eagles and vultures in seeing? Dogs in smelling? Hares, deer, and all birds in speed? Lions and elephants in strength? Serpents in long life, which are said even to put off old age with their cast skin and return to youth? But as we are better than all these by reasoning and understanding, so we ought also to be better than demons by living well and honorably. For this reason divine providence gave certain superior bodily gifts to those to whom we are plainly superior, so that what makes us superior to them might in this way too be commended to us as something to be cultivated with far greater care than the body, and that we might learn to despise, in comparison with the goodness of life by which we are placed above them, the very bodily excellence which we know the demons have — we who also shall have immortality of body, not one which an eternity of punishment tortures, but one which purity of soul precedes. And to be so impressed by the height of their place — that demons live in the air and we on the earth — as to think that they are to be placed above us is altogether ridiculous. For in this way we would place all birds above us too. “But birds,” they say, “when they are tired from flying, or have bodies to be refreshed with food, return to the earth either to rest or to feed, which demons do not do.” Do they wish, then, that birds should excel us, and demons excel even the birds? If it is utterly mad to think this, there is no reason to think demons worthy, because they dwell in a higher element, to have us subject ourselves to them in the affection of religion. For as it could be that the birds of the air are not only not preferred to us who are earthly, but even subject to us, because of the dignity of the rational soul that is in us, so it could be that the demons, though they are more aerial, are not better than us earthly beings merely because air is higher than earth; rather, men are to be preferred to them, because the despair of the demons is in no way to be compared with the hope of devout men. For that reasoning of Plato too, by which he weaves together and orders the four elements in proportion, inserting between the two extremes, the most mobile fire and the immobile earth, the two means, air and water, so that as far as air is above water and fire above air, so far water is above earth — this sufficiently warns us not to judge the merits of living beings by the grades of the elements. And Apuleius himself, with the rest, calls man an earthly animal, who is nevertheless far preferred to the animals of the water, although Plato places the waters themselves above the earth. So let them understand that the same order is not to be kept when the merits of souls are in question as seems to be the order in the grades of bodies, but that it can happen that a better soul inhabits a lower body and a worse soul a higher one.
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Summary: Augustine argues that the demons' finer bodies and airy dwelling do not make them better than men, just as the strength of beasts or the flight of birds does not.
- On the proportion of the elements, see Plato, Timaeus 32a–b; on man as an earthly animal, Apuleius, On the God of Socrates 4.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR: ceruis read as carnis): leporibus, carnis, → leporibus, ceruis,.
Extrabiblical texts: Plato, Tim. 32a–b (Plato (works); allusion)
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Civ. 8.15 (CSEL 40:379–381; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-civitate-dei/8-8/#p-8-15). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Translation: Translated by Claude from Hoffmann's Latin text (CSEL 40, 1899–1900); compared afterwards with the NPNF¹ 2 translation (Dods, 1887).
8.16CSEL 40:381–382
CAPUT XVI. Quid de moribus adque actionibus daemonum Apuleius Platonicus senserit. De moribus ergo daemonum cum idem Platonicus loqueretur, dixit eos eisdem quibus homines animi perturbationibus agitari, inritari iniuriis, obsequiis donisque placari, gaudere honoribus, diuersis sacrorum ritibus oblectari et in eis si quid neglectum fuerit commoueri. Inter cetera etiam dicit ad eos pertinere diuinationes augurum, aruspicum, uatum adque somniorum; ab his quoque esse miracula magorum. Breuiter autem eos definiens ait daemones esse genere animalia, animo passiua, mente rationalia, corpore aeria, tempore aeterna; horum uero quinque tria priora illis esse quae nobis, quartum proprium, quintum eos cum dis habere commune. Sed uideo trium superiorum, quae nobiscum habent, duo etiam cum dis habere. Animalia quippe esse dicit et deos, suaque cuique elementa distribuens in terrestribus animalibus nos posuit cum ceteris quae in terra uiuunt et sentiunt, in aquatilibus pisces et alia natatilia, in aeriis daemones, in aetheriis deos. Ac per hoc quod daemones genere sunt animalia, non solum eis cum hominibus, uerum etiam cum dis pecoribusque commune est; quod mente rationalia, cum dis et hominibus; quod tempore aeterna, cum dis solis; quod animo passiua, cum hominibus solis; quod corpore aeria, ipsi sunt soli. Proinde quod genere sunt animalia, non est magnum, quia hoc sunt et pecora; quod mente rationalia, non est supra nos, quia sumus et nos; quod tempore aeterna, quid boni est, si non beata? Melior est enim temporalis felicitas quam misera aeternitas. Quod animo passiua, quo modo supra nos est, quando et nos hoc sumus, nec ita esset, nisi miseri essemus? Quod corpore aeria, quanti aestimandum est, cum omni corpori praeferatur animae qualiscumque natura, et ideo religionis cultus, qui debetur ex animo, nequaquam debeatur ei rei, quae inferior est animo? Porro si inter illa, quae daemonum esse dicit, adnumeraret uirtutem, sapientiam, felicitatem et haec eos diceret habere cum dis aeterna adque communia, profecto aliquid diceret exoptandum magnique pendendum; nec sic eos tamen propter haec tamquam Deum colere deberemus, sed potius ipsum, a quo haec illos accepisse nossemus. Quanto minus nunc honore diuino aeria digna sunt animalia, ad hoc rationalia ut misera esse possint, ad hoc passiua ut misera sint, ad hoc aeterna ut miseriam finire non possint!
Chapter 16. What the Platonist Apuleius thought about the morals and actions of demons.
When the same Platonist spoke of the morals of demons, he said that they are agitated by the same disturbances of mind as men, are provoked by injuries, appeased by services and gifts, rejoice in honors, are delighted by various rites of worship, and are upset if anything in them is neglected. Among other things he also says that the divinations of augurs, soothsayers, seers, and dreams belong to them, and that the wonders of magicians too come from them. And defining them briefly, he says that demons are “in kind, animals; in soul, subject to passion; in mind, rational; in body, aerial; in time, eternal”; and that of these five, the first three they have in common with us, the fourth is proper to them, and the fifth they have in common with the gods. But I see that of the first three, which they have in common with us, they have two in common with the gods too. For he says that the gods also are animals; and, assigning to each their own element, he placed us among the earthly animals with the others that live and feel on the earth, the fish and other swimming creatures among the aquatic, the demons among the aerial, the gods among the ethereal. And so, that demons are animals in kind is common to them not only with men but also with the gods and with beasts; that they are rational in mind, with gods and men; that they are eternal in time, with the gods alone; that they are subject to passion in soul, with men alone; that they are aerial in body, they alone are. Accordingly, that they are animals in kind is nothing great, for beasts are this too; that they are rational in mind is not above us, for we are so too; that they are eternal in time — what good is it, if not happy? For temporal happiness is better than wretched eternity. That they are subject to passion in soul — how is this above us, since we are so too, and would not be so if we were not wretched? That they are aerial in body — how highly is this to be valued, when the nature of any soul whatever is preferred to every body, and therefore the worship of religion, which is owed from the soul, is in no way owed to a thing that is inferior to the soul? Now if among the things he says belong to demons he had counted virtue, wisdom, and happiness, and said that they had these eternal and in common with the gods, he would surely be saying something to be desired and highly valued; yet not even so ought we to worship them as God for these things, but rather him from whom we knew they had received them. How much less, then, are these aerial animals worthy of divine honor as things stand: rational so that they can be wretched, subject to passion so that they are wretched, eternal so that they cannot end their wretchedness!
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Summary: Augustine analyzes Apuleius' definition of demons and concludes that their eternity, reason, and airy bodies, joined to passion, only make them eternally wretched and unworthy of worship.
- Apuleius' definition is from On the God of Socrates 13 (no entry for Apuleius in the site's list of extrabiblical texts).
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Civ. 8.16 (CSEL 40:381–382; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-civitate-dei/8-8/#p-8-16). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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8.17CSEL 40:382–384
CAPUT XVII. An dignum sit eos spiritus ab homine coli, a quorum uitiis eum oporteat liberari. Quapropter, ut omittam cetera et hoc solum pertractem, quod nobiscum daemones dixit habere commune, id est animi passiones, si omnia quattuor elementa suis animalibus plena sunt, inmortalibus ignis et aer, mortalibus aqua et terra, quaero quur animi daemonum passionum turbelis et tempestatibus agitentur. Perturbatio est enim, quae Graece πάϑος dicitur; unde illa uoluit uocare animo passiua, quia uerbum de uerbo πάϑος passio diceretur motus animi contra rationem. Quur ergo sunt ista in animis daemonum, quae in pecoribus non sunt? Quoniam si quid in pecore simile apparet, non est perturbatio, quia non est contra rationem, qua pecora carent. In hominibus autem ut sint istae perturbationes, facit hoc stultitia uel miseria; nondum enim sumus in illa perfectione sapientiae beati, quae nobis ab hac mortalitate liberatis in fine promittitur. Deos uero ideo dicunt istas perturbationes non perpeti, quia non solum aeterni, uerum etiam beati sunt. Easdem quippe animas rationales etiam ipsos habere perhibent, sed ab omni labe ac peste purissimas. Quam ob rem si propterea di non perturbantur, quod animalia sunt beata, non misera, et propterea pecora non perturbantur, quod animalia sunt, quae nec beata possunt esse nec misera: restat ut daemones sicut homines ideo perturbentur, quod animalia sunt non beata, sed misera. [XVII.] Qua igitur insipientia uel potius amentia per aliquam religionem daemonibus subdimur, cum per ueram religionem ab ea uitiositate, in qua illis sumus similes, liberemur? Cum enim daemones, quod et iste Apuleius, quamuis eis plurimum parcat et diuinis honoribus dignos censeat, tamen cogitur confiteri, ira instigentur, nobis uera religio praecipit, ne ira instigemur, sed ei potius resistamus. Cum daemones donis inuitentur, nobis uera religio praecipit, ne cuiquam donorum acceptione faueamus. Cum daemones honoribus mulceantur, nobis uera religio praecipit, ut talibus nullo modo moueamur. Cum daemones quorundam hominum osores, quorundam amatores sint, non prudenti tranquilloque iudicio, sed animo ut appellat ipse passiuo, nobis uera religio praecipit, ut nostros etiam diligamus inimicos. Postremo omnem motum cordis et salum mentis omnesque turbelas et tempestates animi, quibus daemones aestuare adque fluctuare adserit, nos uera religio deponere iubet. Quae igitur causa est nisi stultitia errorque mirabilis, ut ei te facias uenerando humilem, cui te cupias uiuendo dissimilem; et religione colas, quem imitari nolis, cum religionis summa sit imitari quem colis?
Chapter 17. Whether it is fitting that man should worship spirits from whose vices he ought to be set free.
Therefore, to pass over the rest and deal only with what he said demons have in common with us, that is, passions of the mind: if all four elements are full of their own animals, fire and air of immortal ones, water and earth of mortal ones, I ask why the minds of demons are tossed by the turmoil and storms of passions. For perturbation is what in Greek is called pathos; hence he chose to call them “subject to passion in mind,” because the word pathos, rendered word for word as passio, meant a movement of the mind contrary to reason. Why, then, are these things in the minds of demons which are not in beasts? For if anything like this appears in a beast, it is not a perturbation, because it is not contrary to reason, which beasts lack. In men, that there are these perturbations is caused by folly or wretchedness; for we are not yet happy in that perfection of wisdom which is promised us at the end, when we are freed from this mortality. But they say that the gods do not suffer these perturbations because they are not only eternal but also happy. For they say that the gods too have the same rational souls, but most pure from every stain and plague. Therefore, if the gods are not disturbed because they are happy, not wretched, animals, and beasts are not disturbed because they are animals that can be neither happy nor wretched, it remains that demons, like men, are disturbed because they are animals that are not happy but wretched. By what folly, then, or rather madness, do we subject ourselves to demons through some religion, when through the true religion we are set free from that viciousness in which we are like them? For while the demons are driven by anger — as even this Apuleius, though he spares them very much and judges them worthy of divine honors, is compelled to confess — the true religion commands us not to be driven by anger but rather to resist it. While demons are enticed by gifts, the true religion commands us not to favor anyone because we have received gifts. While demons are soothed by honors, the true religion commands us not to be moved by such things in any way. While demons hate some men and love others, not by a prudent and calm judgment but with a mind “subject to passion,” as he calls it, the true religion commands us to love even our enemies. Finally, every movement of the heart and surge of the mind, all the turmoil and storms of the soul by which he asserts that demons seethe and are tossed, the true religion bids us lay aside. What reason is there, then, except folly and astonishing error, for making yourself humble in venerating one whom you would wish to be unlike in your life, and worshipping in religion one whom you do not wish to imitate, when the sum of religion is to imitate the one you worship?
Matt 5:44 (allusion, high confidence)
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Summary: Augustine argues that demons, being subject to passions from which the true religion frees us, cannot rightly be worshipped, since religion means imitating what one worships.
- The words “[XVII.]” in the digital text are a bracketed marker, left out. “Love even our enemies” recalls Matt 5:44.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR: r read as l, word split): pel turbationes → perturbationes.
Topics: Ethics
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Civ. 8.17 (CSEL 40:382–384; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-civitate-dei/8-8/#p-8-17). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Translation: Translated by Claude from Hoffmann's Latin text (CSEL 40, 1899–1900); compared afterwards with the NPNF¹ 2 translation (Dods, 1887).