Letters 147.1–147.15

Latin text: Goldbacher, CSEL 34, 44, 57 (Latin text: Alois Goldbacher (CSEL 34, 44, 57, 1895–1911), digitized by Open Greek and Latin (csel-dev, University of Leipzig), CC BY-SA 4.0).English: Claude (claude-opus-5-5), public domain (CC0). Compare: Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers, series 1, vol. 1 (1886).

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Chapter 147

147.1CSEL 44:274–275

Memor debiti, quod ex tua petitione et mea promissione factum est, religiosa famula dei Paulina, persolutionis quoque eius neglegens esse non debui. cum enim petiuisses, ut de inuisibili deo, utrum per oculos corporeos possit uideri, prolixe aliquid copioseque ad te scriberem, negare non potui, ne sanctum studium tuum offenderem; sed promissum distuli siue propter alias occupationes meas siue quod a me id flagitaretur, unde aliquanto diutius cogitari oportebat. sed cum tanta res esset, quae cogitando, non tam quid de ea sentiendum dicendumue esset, quam quonam modo persuadendum his, qui diuersa sentirent, fieret difficilior, finem aliquando dilationi adhibendum putaui sperans diuinum adiutorium magis mihi scribenti quam differenti adfuturum. quam ob rem primum mihi uidetur plus ualere in hac inquisitione uiuendi quam loquendi modum. nam qui didicerunt a domino Iesu Christo mites esse et humiles corde, plus cogitando et orando proficiunt quam legendo et audiendo. nec ideo tamen agere partes suas sermo cessauerit, sed, cum plantator et rigator officium sui gesserit muneris, cetera illi, qui dat incrementum, relinquit; ille quippe etiam ipsum plantatorem rigatoremque formauit.

Mindful of the debt incurred by your request and my promise, Paulina, devout handmaid of God, I ought not to be negligent in paying it. For when you asked me to write to you at length and fully about the invisible God, whether he can be seen with bodily eyes, I could not refuse, lest I offend your holy zeal; but I put off my promise, either because of my other occupations or because what was being asked of me required somewhat longer thought. But since the matter was so great that, as I thought about it, it became more difficult, not so much as to what should be thought or said about it, as to how those who think otherwise might be persuaded, I decided that at some point an end must be put to the delay, hoping that divine help would be more present to me in writing than in delaying. For this reason it seems to me, first, that in this inquiry the manner of living counts for more than the manner of speaking. For those who have learned from the Lord Jesus Christ to be meek and humble of heart make more progress by thinking and praying than by reading and hearing. Not that speech will therefore cease to play its part; but when the planter and the waterer have performed the duty of their office, they leave the rest to him who gives the growth; for he also formed the planter and the waterer himself.

Matt 11:29 (allusion, high confidence) · 1 Cor 3:6 (allusion, high confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: Augustine begins his long letter to Paulina on whether God can be seen with bodily eyes, saying that humility and prayer matter more than words in this inquiry.

  • Letter 147 is the treatise-letter On Seeing God (De uidendo deo), written ca. 413 to Paulina; the address is not printed in the staged text.
  • “Learn from me, for I am meek and humble of heart”: Matt 11:29. Planter and waterer: 1 Cor 3:6–7.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR slip; stray colon): distuli o sine → distuli siue; uiuendi quam: loquendi → uiuendi quam loquendi.

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 147.1 (CSEL 44:274–275; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/147-1/#p-147-1).

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147.2CSEL 44:275–276

Secundum interiorem igitur hominem percipe uerba intellectus. ipse enim renouatur de die in diem, etiam cum exterior iste corrumpitur siue castigatione abstinentiae siue aliqua morbida ualitudine siue quolibet casu uel certe, quod necesse est etiam his, qui sano corpore diu uiuunt, ipso aetatis accessu. erige itaque spiritum mentis tuae, qui renouatur in agnitione secundum imaginem eius, qui creauit eum, ubi per fidem in te habitat Christus, ubi non est Iudaeus et Graecus, seruus liber, masculus femina, ubi non morieris, cum solui corpore coeperis, quia nec ibi marcuisti, cum sis annis grauis. hoc interiore tuo erecta intende et uide, quae loquor. nolo auctoritatem meam sequaris, ut ideo putes tibi aliquid necesse esse credere, quoniam a me dicitur; sed aut scripturis canonicis credas, si quid nondum, quam sit uerum, uides, aut interius demonstranti ueritati, ut hoc plane uideas.

Receive, then, words of understanding according to the inner man. For he is renewed from day to day, even while this outer man is wasting away, whether through the discipline of abstinence, or some sickly state of health, or any chance whatever, or certainly, as must happen even to those who live long in sound health, through the very advance of age. Raise up, then, the spirit of your mind, which is renewed in knowledge according to the image of him who created it, where Christ dwells in you through faith, where there is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, where you will not die when you begin to be released from the body, because there you have not withered either, though you are heavy with years. Lifted up in this inner self of yours, attend and see what I say. I do not want you to follow my authority, so as to think you must believe something because it is said by me; but believe either the canonical Scriptures, if there is something whose truth you do not yet see, or the truth showing itself within, so that you see it plainly.

2 Cor 4:16 (allusion, high confidence) · Eph 4:23 (allusion, high confidence) · Col 3:10 (quotation, high confidence) · Eph 3:17 (allusion, high confidence) · Gal 3:28 (allusion, high confidence)

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Summary: Augustine asks Paulina to listen with the inner self, which does not age, and to believe not his authority but the canonical Scriptures or the truth seen within.

  • The inner man renewed day by day: 2 Cor 4:16. Renewed in the spirit of your mind: Eph 4:23. Renewed in knowledge according to the image of the Creator: Col 3:10. Christ dwelling through faith: Eph 3:17. Neither Jew nor Greek …: Gal 3:28.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (hyphenation and stray letter; stray mark): agni-I tione → agnitione; quae! loquor → quae loquor; sed aut! scripturis → sed aut scripturis; plane uideas.! → plane uideas..

Topics: Scripture and canon

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 147.2 (CSEL 44:275–276; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/147-1/#p-147-2).

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147.3CSEL 44:276–278

Exempli gratia dicam aliquid, quo ad haec certius praestruaris, et inde potissimum, unde nobis in hoc ipso opere propositus est disputandi labor. credimus uideri deum nunc; num quia uidimus uel per oculos corporis, sicut uidemus hunc solem, uel mentis obtutu, sicut se quisque interius uidet, uiuentem, uidet uolentem, uidet quaerentem, uidet scientem, uidet nescientem? tu itaque ipsa lectis his litteris solem quidem uidisse te recolis per oculos corporis, potes etiam statim uidere, si est id temporis et eo loci es, ubi ex ea parte caelum oculis tuis usque ad solem contuendum patet ad illa uero uidenda, quae mente conspici dixi, id est quod uiuas, quod uidere deum uelis, quod id requiras, quod te uiuere et uelle et quaerere scias, quo modo autem deus uideatur, nescias, ad haec, inquam, omnia uidenda non oculos corporis adhibes nec interuallum loci, per quod intendatur obtutus, ut ad ea cernenda perueniat, sentis aut quaeris; sic uides uitam tuam, uoluntatem, inquisitionem, scientiam, ignorantiam, quia nec ipsa est contemnenda uisio uidere, quod nescias. sic, inquam, uides haec omnia, ut in te uideas, apud te habeas ac sine ullis figurarum liniamentis colorumque nitoribus tanto clarius et certius quanto simplicius interiusque conspicias. cum igitur nec corporis oculis sicut corpora siue caelestia siue terrestria nec mentis aspectu, sicut ea sunt, quorum nonnulla commemoraui, quae apud temet ipsam certissime intueris, nunc uideamus deum, cur credimus eum uideri, nisi quia scripturae accommodamus fidem, ubi legitur: Beati mundo corde, quoniam ipsi deum uidebunt, et si qua alia in hanc sententiam eadem diuina auctoritate conscripta sunt, cui non credere nefas ducimus, credere autem pietatis esse minime dubitamus?

To give an example by which you may be more surely prepared for these things, I shall take it chiefly from the very matter that has set us the labor of discussion in this work. We believe that God is seen; is that because we have now seen him, either with the eyes of the body, as we see this sun, or with the gaze of the mind, as each person sees himself within: sees himself living, sees himself willing, sees himself seeking, sees himself knowing, sees himself not knowing? You yourself, then, having read this letter, remember that you have seen the sun with the eyes of the body, and you can even see it at once, if it is the right time and you are in a place where the sky on that side lies open to your eyes so that you can look at the sun. But to see the things that I said are perceived by the mind, that is, that you live, that you wish to see God, that you are seeking this, that you know that you live and wish and seek, but do not know how God is seen: to see all these, I say, you do not use the eyes of the body, nor do you feel or look for any distance of space across which your gaze must be directed to reach and discern them. In this way you see your life, your will, your inquiry, your knowledge, your ignorance (for even this is not a sight to be despised, to see what you do not know). In this way, I say, you see all these things, so that you see them in yourself, have them with you, and perceive them without any outlines of shapes or brightness of colors, all the more clearly and surely the more simply and inwardly you behold them. Since, then, we do not now see God either with the eyes of the body, as we see bodies, whether heavenly or earthly, or with the gaze of the mind, as we see the things I have mentioned, which you behold most surely within yourself, why do we believe that he is seen, except because we give our faith to the Scripture where we read, “Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God,” and to whatever else has been written to this effect by the same divine authority, which we count it wicked not to believe, and do not doubt at all that it is a mark of piety to believe?

Matt 5:8 (quotation, high confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: Augustine distinguishes seeing with the body (the sun) from seeing with the mind (one's own life and will), and notes that we believe God will be seen only because Scripture says so.

  • “Blessed are the pure in heart …”: Matt 5:8.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (stray colon; stray comma; stray mark; stray period; stray semicolon): nunc;! num → nunc; num; interius uidet; uiuentem → interius uidet, uiuentem; scientem,; → scientem,; solem quidem: → solem quidem; statim. uidere → statim uidere; quo, modo autem → quo modo autem; cui. non credere → cui non credere.

Topics: Scripture and canon

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 147.3 (CSEL 44:276–278; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/147-1/#p-147-3).

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147.4CSEL 44:278

Hanc itaque distinctionem tene, ut, si quid te admonuero disserendo, quod ita uideas oculis carnis uel ullo alio sensu eius sentias seu te sensisse recolas, sicut sentiuntur colores, fragores, odores, sapores, feruores et si quid aliud per corpus cernendo, audiendo, olfaciendo, gustando, tangendo sentimus, aut ita uideas mentis intuitu, ut uides uitam, uoluntatem, cogitationem, memoriam, intellegentiam, scientiam, fidem tuam et quicquid aliud mente conspicis atque ita esse non tantum credendo sed plane uidendo non dubitas, hoc me iudices ostendisse. quod autem non sic ostendero, ut aut corporis aut animi sensu uisum perceptumque teneatur, et tamen dixero aliquid, quod aut uerum quidem aut falsum esse necesse sit, sed nullo illorum duorum genere uideatur, restat, ut tantum modo credatur uel non credatur. sed si diuinarum scripturarum earum scilicet, quae canonicae in ecclesia nominantur, perspicua firmatur auctoritate, sine ulla dubitatione credendum est. aliis uero testibus uel testimoniis, quibus aliquid credendum esse suadetur, tibi credere uel non credere liceat, quantum ea momenti ad faciendam fidem uel habere uel non habere perpenderis.

Hold to this distinction, then: if in my discussion I point out to you something that you either see with the eyes of the flesh or perceive with any other of its senses, or remember having perceived, as colors, sounds, smells, tastes, heat are perceived, and whatever else we perceive through the body by seeing, hearing, smelling, tasting, touching; or something that you see with the gaze of the mind, as you see your life, will, thought, memory, understanding, knowledge, faith, and whatever else you perceive with the mind and do not doubt to be so, not only by believing but by plainly seeing; then judge that I have shown it. But if I do not so show something that it is held as seen and perceived by the sense either of the body or of the mind, and yet I say something that must be either true or false but is not seen by either of those two kinds, it remains that it is only believed or not believed. But if it is confirmed by the clear authority of the divine Scriptures, namely those that are called canonical in the Church, it is to be believed without any doubt. As for other witnesses or testimonies by which one is urged to believe something, you may believe them or not, according as you judge them to have or not to have weight to produce belief.

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Summary: What is not seen by body or mind can only be believed; the canonical Scriptures must be believed without doubt, while other testimony is weighed on its merits.

Topics: Scripture and canon

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 147.4 (CSEL 44:278; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/147-1/#p-147-4).

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147.5CSEL 44:278–280

Si enim ea, quae non uidimus, hoc est in praesenti apparentia non sensimus uel mente uel corpore neque de scripturis sanctis uel legendo uel audiendo didicimus, nulla omnino credidissemus, unde sciremus esse ciuitates, ubi numquam fuimus, uel a Romulo conditam Romam uel, ut de propioribus loquar, Constantinopolim a Constantino? unde postremo sciremus, quinam parentes nos procreauissent, quibus patribus, auis, maioribus geniti essemus? talium quippe cum plurima sciamus, non tamen ea uel ullo sensu praesentia sicut solem, sicut nostri animi uoluntatem uel canonicorum eloquiorum auctoritate sicut Adam fuisse primum hominem aut Christum in carne natum passumque resurrexisse didicimus sed aliis referentibus, de quorum testimonio in hoc dum taxat rerum genere minime dubitandum esse putauimus. in quibus si alicubi fallimur credendo uel ita esse, quod ita non est, uel non ita esse, quod ita est, nihil periculi esse iudicamus, si non sit contra illam fidem, qua pietas informatur. haec praelocutio mea nondum propositam discutit quaestionem, sed te atque alios, qui ista lecturi sunt, praestruit, quales seu meorum seu quorumlibet scriptorum iudices esse debeatis, ne uel scire uos opinemini, quod nescitis, uel temere credatis, quod neque corporis sensibus aut animi contuitu in eiusdem rei, quae cognoscenda est, euidentia percepistis neque canonicarum scripturarum auctoritate, etiam si non adfuit sensibus uel animi uel corporis uestri, tamen credendum esse didicistis.

For if we had believed nothing at all of what we have not seen, that is, have not perceived as present either by mind or by body, nor learned from the holy Scriptures by reading or hearing, how would we know that there are cities where we have never been, or that Rome was founded by Romulus, or, to speak of nearer things, Constantinople by Constantine? How, finally, would we know what parents begot us, from what fathers, grandfathers, and ancestors we were born? For although we know a great many such things, we have learned them neither by any sense, as present, like the sun or the will of our own mind, nor by the authority of the canonical writings, as that Adam was the first man or that Christ was born in the flesh, suffered, and rose again, but from others who reported them, whose testimony, at least in this kind of matter, we thought should not be doubted at all. If in these things we are sometimes deceived by believing either that something is so which is not so, or that something is not so which is so, we judge that there is no danger, provided it is not against that faith by which piety is formed. These preliminary remarks of mine do not yet discuss the proposed question, but they prepare you and others who will read this to know what kind of judges you ought to be, whether of my writings or of anyone’s, so that you do not suppose you know what you do not know, nor rashly believe what you have neither perceived by the senses of the body or the gaze of the mind in the evidence of the thing itself that is to be known, nor learned must be believed on the authority of the canonical Scriptures, even if it was not present to the senses of your mind or body.

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Summary: Much ordinary knowledge (history, one's parentage) rests on others' testimony; errors there are harmless unless they touch the faith, but nothing should be rashly believed.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (stray period): dubitandum. esse → dubitandum esse; uestri,. tamen → uestri, tamen.

Topics: Scripture and canon

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 147.5 (CSEL 44:278–280; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/147-1/#p-147-5).

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147.6CSEL 44:280

Iamne ergo uenimus ad causam? an adhuc lecturas instruendus est? nonnulli enim putant ipsum, quod dicimus credere, cum res uera creditur, hoc solum esse mente contueri. quod si ita est, fallitur ista nostra praelocutio, in qua distinximus aliud esse aliquid sentire per corpus sicut in caelo solem et in terra montem, arborem corpusue quodlibet et aliud mentis intuitu rem nihilo minus euidentem, sicut nostra uoluntas a nobismet ipsis intus aspicitur, cum aliquid uolumus, uel cogitatio, cum cogitamus, uel memoria, cum recordamur, uel tale aliquid in animo sine corpore, aliud autem credere, quod in corporis mentisue conspectu nec adest nec adfuisse recolitur sicut sine parentibus creatum Adam et natum ex uirgine passumque resurrexisse Christum. haec enim etiam corporaliter facta sunt et uideri per corpus, si tunc adessemus, utique potuerunt, nunc autem non adsunt, sicut adest ista lux, quae oculis cernitur, aut uoluntas, qua nunc aliquid uolumus, quae mente conspicitur. sed quia haec distinctio falsa non est, profecto illa praestructio minus habebat, quod inter credere et aliquid praesens mente conspicere, ne omni modo unum atque idem putaretur, parum clara fuerat elocutione discretum.

Have we now come to the matter, then? Or must the reader still be instructed? For some think that what we call believing, when a true thing is believed, is simply beholding with the mind. If that is so, this preface of ours is mistaken, in which we distinguished perceiving something through the body, as the sun in the sky and a mountain, a tree, or any body on earth; and, on the other hand, beholding with the gaze of the mind a thing no less evident, as our will is perceived within by ourselves when we will something, or our thought when we think, or our memory when we remember, or some such thing in the mind without the body; and, on the other hand again, believing what is neither present to the view of body or mind nor remembered to have been present, as that Adam was created without parents, and that Christ was born of a virgin, suffered, and rose again. For these things were also done bodily and certainly could have been seen through the body if we had been there; but now they are not present, as this light is present, which is discerned with the eyes, or the will by which we now will something, which is perceived by the mind. But since this distinction is not false, that preparation was certainly lacking in this: that the difference between believing and beholding something present with the mind, so that they should not be thought entirely one and the same, had not been set out in clear enough language.

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Summary: Augustine clarifies that believing differs from mentally beholding what is present, as the virgin birth and resurrection are believed rather than seen.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (stray hyphen): etiam - corporaliter → etiam corporaliter.

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 147.6 (CSEL 44:280; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/147-1/#p-147-6).

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147.7CSEL 44:280–281

Quid ergo dicemus? num satis est, ut inter uidere et credere hoc distare dicamus, quia praesentia uidentur, creduntur absentia? plane forsitan satis est, si praesentia illa hoc loco intellegamus dicta, quae praesto sunt sensibus siue animi siue corporis, unde etiam ducto uocabulo praesentia nominantur. sic enim hanc lucem corporis sensu, sic et meam uoluntatem plane uideo, quia praesto est animi mei sensibus atque intus mihi praesens est. si quis uero mihi indicet uoluntatem suam, cuius os et uox mihi praesens est, tamen, quia ipsa uoluntas, quam mihi indicat, latet sensum corporis et animi mei, credo, non uideo aut, si eum mentiri existimo, non credo, etsi forte, ut dicit, ita sit. creduntur ergo illa, quae absunt a sensibus nostris, si uidetur idoneum, quod eis testimonium perhibetur; uidentur autem, quae praesto sunt, unde et praesentia nominantur, uel animi uel corporis sensibus. nam cum sint quinque corporis sensus, cernendi, audiendi, olfaciendi, gustandi, tangendi, uisus quidem in eis praecipue oculis adtributus est, uerum tamen hoc uerbo utimur et in ceteris. neque enim tantum dicimus: Vide, quid luceat sed etiam: Vide, quid sonet; Vide, quid oleat; Vide, quid sapiat; Vide, quid caleat. nec, quia dixi ea credi, quae absunt a sensibus nostris, sic accipiatur, ut inter illa deputentur, quae aliquando uidimus et nos uidisse retinemus certique sumus, quamuis tunc non praesto sint, cum recoluntur a nobis; neque enim inter credita sed inter uisa deputantur et ideo nota sunt, non quia fidem habuimus aliis testibus, sed quia nos uidisse sine dubio recordamur et scimus.

What, then, shall we say? Is it enough to say that seeing and believing differ in this, that things present are seen and things absent are believed? Perhaps it is quite enough, if we understand “present” here to mean what is at hand to the senses, whether of the mind or of the body, from which the word “present” is derived. For in this way I plainly see this light by the sense of the body, and in this way also my will, because it is at hand to the senses of my mind and is present to me within. But if someone whose face and voice are present to me tells me his will, yet, because the will itself that he tells me is hidden from the sense of my body and mind, I believe it, I do not see it; or, if I think he is lying, I do not believe it, even if perhaps it is as he says. Those things, therefore, are believed which are absent from our senses, if the testimony given to them seems adequate; but those are seen which are at hand, and hence are called present, to the senses of mind or body. For although there are five bodily senses, seeing, hearing, smelling, tasting, touching, sight is attributed chiefly to the eyes; yet we use this word for the others too. For we say not only, “See what is shining,” but also, “See what is sounding,” “See what smells,” “See what tastes,” “See what is hot.” And since I said that those things are believed which are absent from our senses, let this not be taken to include things we once saw and remember having seen and are sure of, although they are not at hand when we recall them. For they are counted not among things believed but among things seen, and so they are known, not because we gave credit to other witnesses, but because we remember without doubt and know that we saw them.

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Summary: Things present to the senses of mind or body are seen; things absent are believed on testimony, while things once seen and remembered count as seen.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR slip; doubled period; stray colon; stray hyphen; stray period): inter aidere → inter uidere; siue animi sine corporis → siue animi siue corporis; neque. enim → neque enim; sonet;: → sonet;; inter - credita → inter credita; et scimus.. → et scimus..

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 147.7 (CSEL 44:280–281; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/147-1/#p-147-7).

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147.8CSEL 44:281–282

Constat igitur nostra scientia ex uisis rebus et creditis. sed in his, quae uidimus uel uidemus, nos ipsi testes sumus, in his autem, quae credimus, aliis testibus mouemur ad fidem, cum earum rerum, quas nec uidisse nos recolimus nec uidemus, dantur signa uel in uocibus uel in litteris uel in quibusque documentis, quibus uisis non uisa credantur. non autem inmerito scire nos dicimus non solum ea, quae uidimus aut uidemus, uerum et illa, quae idoneis ad quamque rem commoti testimoniis uel testibus credimus. porro si scire non incongruenter dicimur etiam illud, quod certissimum credimus, hinc factum est, ut etiam recte credita, etsi non adsint sensibus nostris, uidere mente dicamur. scientia quippe menti tribuitur, siue per corporis sensus siue per ipsum animum aliquid perceptum cognitumque retineat, et fides ipsa mente utique uidetur, quamuis hoc fide credatur, quod non uidetur. unde et apostolus Petrus dicit: In quem modo non uidentes creditis, et ipse dominus: Beati, qui non uiderunt et crediderunt.

Our knowledge, then, consists of things seen and things believed. But in the things we have seen or see, we ourselves are the witnesses; in the things we believe, we are moved to faith by other witnesses, when signs are given, in words or letters or other evidence, of things we neither remember having seen nor see, so that, when these signs are seen, the things not seen are believed. And we are not wrong to say that we know not only the things we have seen or see, but also those we believe when moved by testimonies or witnesses adequate to each matter. Further, if we are not inappropriately said to know even what we most surely believe, it follows that we are also said to see with the mind things rightly believed, even if they are not present to our senses. For knowledge is attributed to the mind, whether it holds something perceived and known through the senses of the body or through the mind itself; and faith itself is certainly seen by the mind, although what is believed by faith is not seen. Hence the apostle Peter also says: “In whom, though you do not now see him, you believe”; and the Lord himself: “Blessed are those who have not seen and have believed.”

1 Pet 1:8 (quotation, high confidence) · John 20:29 (quotation, high confidence)

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Summary: Knowledge comprises things seen and things believed on adequate testimony; faith itself is seen by the mind, though its object is not.

  • 1 Pet 1:8; John 20:29.

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 147.8 (CSEL 44:281–282; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/147-1/#p-147-8).

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147.9CSEL 44:282–283

Cum itaque dicitur homini: Crede Christum resurrexisse a mortuis, si credit, adtende, quid uideat, adtende, quid credat, et utrumque discerne. uidet hominem, cuius audit uocem, et ipsa uox in uisis corporalibus deputatur secundum ea, quae supra diximus. haec duo sunt, testis et testimonium, quorum ad oculos unum, ad aures alterum pertinet sed hunc testem fortasse aliorum testimoniorum auctoritate confirmat, diuinarum scilicet scripturarum uel quorumlibet aliorum, quibus est motus ad fidem. scripturae ad uisa pertinent corporis: oculorum, si eas legit, uel aurium, si audiuit. uidet autem animo quicquid figuris litterarum sonisue significari intellexit; uidet ipsam fidem suam, qua se credere sine cunctatione respondet; uidet cogitationem, qua cogitat, quid ei possit prodesse, quod credit; uidet uoluntatem, qua accessit ad suscipiendam religionem; uidet etiam ipsius resurrectionis quandam imaginem in animo suo factam, sine qua intellegi non potest, quicquid factum corporaliter dicitur, siue credatur siue non credatur. Sed, ut puto, distinguis, quo modo uideat fidem suam, qua credit, et quo modo uideat illam resurrectionis imaginem in animo suo factam, quam, si hoc audit, uidet, etiam qui non credit.

So when a man is told, “Believe that Christ has risen from the dead,” if he believes, note what he sees, note what he believes, and distinguish the two. He sees the man whose voice he hears, and the voice itself is counted among things seen bodily, according to what we said above. These are two, the witness and the testimony, one belonging to the eyes and the other to the ears. But perhaps he confirms this witness by the authority of other testimonies, namely of the divine Scriptures or any others by which he has been moved to faith. The Scriptures belong to things seen by the body: by the eyes if he reads them, or by the ears if he has heard them. But he sees with the mind whatever he has understood to be signified by the shapes of the letters or by the sounds; he sees his own faith, by which he answers without hesitation that he believes; he sees the thought by which he considers what benefit there can be for him in what he believes; he sees the will by which he has come to embrace the religion; he also sees a certain image of the resurrection itself formed in his mind, without which nothing said to have happened bodily can be understood, whether it is believed or not. But, I think, you distinguish how he sees his faith by which he believes, and how he sees that image of the resurrection formed in his mind, which even one who does not believe sees, if he hears of it.

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Summary: A believer in the resurrection sees the witness, the words, his own faith and will, and a mental image of the resurrection, but not the resurrection itself.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR slip; stray period): uidet autem animo. quicquid → uidet autem animo quicquid; sine credatur siue → siue credatur siue.

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 147.9 (CSEL 44:282–283; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/147-1/#p-147-9).

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147.10CSEL 44:283–284

Haec ergo omnia uidet partim corpore partim mente. uoluntatem uero eius, a quo audit, ut credat, et ipsam Christi resurrectionem non uidet, sed credit; et tamen eam uidere dicitur quodam mentis obtutu magis secundum testimoniorum fidem quam rerum praesentia creditarum. illa enim, quae uidet, adsunt sensibus uel animi uel corporis; quae autem credit, absunt a sensibus et animi et corporis, quamuis uoluntas eius, a quo audit, ut credat, non sit praeterita, sed maneat in loquente. quam in se ipso idem ipse, qui loquitur, uidet; ille uero, qui audit, non eam uidet, sed credit. resurrectio autem Christi praeterita est, quam nec illi uiderunt homines, qui tunc fuerunt; nam qui uiderunt uiuentem Christum, quem uiderant morientem, ipsam tamen resurrectionem, cum fieret, non uiderunt, sed eam certissime crediderunt uidendo et tangendo uiuum, quem nouerant mortuum. nos totum credimus, et quod resurrexerit et quod ab hominibus tunc uisus et contrectatus sit et quod nunc uiuat in caelis nec iam moriatur et mors ei ultra non dominetur. res autem ipsa nec corporis nostri sensibus adest, sicut adest hoc caelum et terra, nec nostrae mentis obtutibus, sicut adest fides ipsa, qua hoc credimus.

All these things, then, he sees, partly with the body and partly with the mind. But the will of the one from whom he hears that he should believe, and the resurrection of Christ itself, he does not see but believes; and yet he is said to see it by a certain gaze of the mind, according to his faith in the testimonies rather than by the presence of the things believed. For the things he sees are present to the senses of mind or body; but the things he believes are absent from the senses of both mind and body, although the will of the one from whom he hears that he should believe is not past but remains in the speaker. The speaker himself sees it in himself; but the hearer does not see it but believes it. The resurrection of Christ, however, is past, and not even the men who lived then saw it; for those who saw Christ alive, whom they had seen dying, did not see the resurrection itself as it took place, but believed it most surely by seeing and touching alive the one they had known dead. We believe the whole: both that he rose, and that he was then seen and handled by men, and that he now lives in heaven and dies no more, and death no longer has dominion over him. But the thing itself is present neither to the senses of our body, as this sky and earth are present, nor to the gaze of our mind, as the very faith by which we believe it is present.

Luke 24:39 (allusion, medium confidence) · Rom 6:9 (quotation, high confidence)

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Summary: Even the disciples did not see the resurrection happen but believed it on seeing the risen Christ; we believe the whole, which is present neither to our senses nor to our minds.

  • Seen and handled: Luke 24:39; 1 John 1:1. “Dies no more; death no longer has dominion over him”: Rom 6:9.

Topics: Christology

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 147.10 (CSEL 44:283–284; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/147-1/#p-147-10).

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147.11CSEL 44:284–285

Sed iam satis, ut puto, ista mea praelocutione recognouisti, quid sit uidere uel mente uel corpore et quid ab eis distet credere, quod quidem fit mente et uidetur mente, quoniam menti nostrae fides nostra conspicua est. sed tamen, quod eadem fide creditur, abest et ab aspectu corporis nostri, sicut abest corpus, in quo Christus resurrexit, et ab aspectu mentis alterius, sicut abest ab aspectu mentis meae fides tua, quamuis eam esse in te credam, cum eam non uideam corpore, quod nec tu potes, nec mente, quod tu potes, sicut ego meam, quam tu non potes. nemo enim scit, quid agatur in homine, nisi spiritus hominis, qui in ipso est, donec ueniat dominus, qui et inluminabit abscondita tenebrarum et manifestabit cogitationes cordis, ut eas non solum quisque suas uideat sed et aliorum. secundum hoc enim dixit apostolus neminem scire, quid agatur in homine, nisi spiritus hominis, qui in ipso est, secundum quod uidemus in nobis; nam secundum id, quod credimus nec uidemus, et multos fideles esse nouimus et multis noti sumus.

But I think you have now recognized well enough from this preface of mine what it is to see, whether with the mind or with the body, and how believing differs from these. Believing indeed takes place in the mind and is seen by the mind, since our faith is visible to our mind. And yet what is believed by that same faith is absent both from the sight of our body, as the body in which Christ rose is absent, and from the sight of another’s mind, as your faith is absent from the sight of my mind, although I believe it is in you, since I do not see it with the body, which you cannot either, nor with the mind, which you can, as I can my own, which you cannot. For no one knows what goes on in a man except the spirit of the man that is in him, until the Lord comes, who will both bring to light the hidden things of darkness and make manifest the thoughts of the heart, so that each will see not only his own but also those of others. For it was in this sense that the apostle said that no one knows what goes on in a man except the spirit of the man that is in him, in the sense in which we see in ourselves; for in the sense of what we believe without seeing, we both know many people to be believers and are known to many.

1 Cor 2:11 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Cor 4:5 (quotation, high confidence)

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Summary: Faith is visible to the believer's own mind but not its object, and one person's faith is hidden from another until the Lord reveals the thoughts of hearts.

  • 1 Cor 2:11; “until the Lord comes, who will bring to light …”: 1 Cor 4:5.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR slips and leaked line number; stray letter; stray punctuation): distet; credere. quod → distet credere, quod; mentis u alterius → mentis alterius; donee 10 ueniat do.minus → donec ueniat dominus.

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 147.11 (CSEL 44:284–285; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/147-1/#p-147-11).

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147.12CSEL 44:285

Si ergo iam ista distincta sunt, ueniamus ad causam. scimus posse deum uideri, quoniam scriptum est: Beati mundo corde, quoniam ipsi deum uidebunt. an forte non debui dicere (scimus) sed credimus, quoniam deum nec corpore aliquando uidimus sicut hanc lucem nec mente sicut ipsam in nobis, qua id credimus, fidem, sed tantum quia scriptum est in ea scriptura, cuius fideles sumus, quod uerum sit minime dubitamus? apostolus tamen Iohannes cum tale aliquid diceret: Scimus, inquit, quia, cum apparuerit, similes ei erimus, quoniam uidebimus eum, sicuti est. ecce scire se dixit, quod nondum factum fuerat nec uidendo sed credendo cognouerat. recte itaque diximus: Scimus posse deum uideri quamuis eum non uiderimus, sed diuinae auctoritati, quae sanctis libris continetur, crediderimus.

If these things have now been distinguished, let us come to the matter. We know that God can be seen, since it is written: “Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God.” Or perhaps I ought not to have said “we know” but “we believe,” since we have never seen God either with the body, as we see this light, or with the mind, as we see within us the very faith by which we believe this, but we have no doubt at all that it is true only because it is written in that Scripture of which we are believers? Yet the apostle John, when he said something similar, said: “We know that when he appears we shall be like him, because we shall see him as he is.” See, he said that he knew what had not yet happened and what he had come to know not by seeing but by believing. So we were right to say, “We know that God can be seen,” although we have not seen him but have believed the divine authority contained in the holy books.

Matt 5:8 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 John 3:2 (quotation, high confidence)

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Summary: We may rightly say we 'know' God can be seen, as John says 'we know … we shall see him as he is,' though this knowledge rests on believing Scripture.

  • Matt 5:8; 1 John 3:2.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (stray period): se dixit. quod → se dixit, quod.

Topics: Eschatology

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 147.12 (CSEL 44:285; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/147-1/#p-147-12).

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147.13CSEL 44:285–286

Quid est ergo, quod eadem dicit auctoritas: Deum nemo uidit umquam? an fortasse respondetur, quod illa testimonia de uidendo deo sunt, non de uiso? ipsi enim deum uidebunt, dictum est, non uiderunt, et non (uidimus) sed uidebimus eum sicuti est). proinde his sententiis non est contrarium: Deum nemo uidit umquam. uidebunt enim, quem non uiderunt, qui mundo corde filii dei esse uoluerint. quid est igitur: Vidi deum facie ad faciem et salua facta est anima mea? an et hoc non est contrarium illi, quod dictum est: Deum nemo uidit umquam? et illud, quod de Moyse scriptum est, quia loquebatur cum deo facie ad faciem, sicut quis loquitur ad amicum suum; et illud, quod propheta Esaias de se ipso loquens ait: Vidi dominum sabaoth sedentem in throno, et si qua alia solent similia testimonia ex eadem auctoritate proferri, quo modo non sunt contraria sententiae, qua dictum est: Deum nemo uidit umquam? quamquam et ipsum euangelium potest putari sibi esse contrarium. quo modo enim uerum est, quod in eo dicitur: Qui me uidit, uidit et patrem, si deum nemo uidit umquam? quo modo uerum est: Angeli eorum semper uident faciem patris mei, si deum nemo uidit umquam?

What, then, of the same authority’s saying, “No one has ever seen God”? Perhaps the answer is that those testimonies are about God’s being seen in the future, not about his having been seen? For it was said, “they shall see God,” not “they have seen”; and not “we have seen” but “we shall see him as he is.” Therefore “No one has ever seen God” is not contrary to these statements. For those who have wished to be children of God with pure hearts will see him whom they have not seen. What, then, of “I have seen God face to face, and my soul has been saved”? Is this too not contrary to what was said, “No one has ever seen God”? And what was written of Moses, that he spoke with God face to face, as a man speaks to his friend; and what the prophet Isaiah says of himself, “I saw the Lord of hosts sitting on a throne”; and any other similar testimonies commonly brought forward from the same authority: how are they not contrary to the statement “No one has ever seen God”? And indeed the Gospel itself may be thought to contradict itself. For how is it true, as it says in it, “He who has seen me has seen the Father,” if no one has ever seen God? How is it true, “Their angels always see the face of my Father,” if no one has ever seen God?

John 1:18 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 5:8 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 John 3:2 (quotation, high confidence) · Gen 32:30 (quotation, high confidence) · Exod 33:11 (quotation, high confidence) · Isa 6:1 (quotation, high confidence) · John 14:9 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 18:10 (quotation, high confidence)

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Summary: Augustine sets out the apparent contradiction between 'No one has ever seen God' and texts saying that Jacob, Moses, Isaiah, and the angels saw God.

  • “No one has ever seen God”: John 1:18 (1 John 4:12). “I have seen God face to face …”: Gen 32:30 (Jacob). Moses: Exod 33:11. “I saw the Lord of hosts …”: Isa 6:1 (with 6:3, 5). “He who has seen me …”: John 14:9. “Their angels always see …”: Matt 18:10.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (stray letter; stray letters; stray semicolon): quid I est → quid est; dominum; sabaoth → dominum sabaoth; sibi le esse → sibi esse.

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 147.13 (CSEL 44:285–286; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/147-1/#p-147-13).

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147.14CSEL 44:286–287

Qua igitur regula intellegentiae ista ueluti contraria et repugnantia non esse contraria nec repugnare probabimus? neque enim fieri ullo modo potest, ut haec scripturarum auctoritas aliqua ex parte mentiatur. si dicimus in eo, quod scriptum est: Deum nemo uidit umquam, homines tantum modo intellegendos, sicut etiam illud dictum est: Nemo scit, quid agatur in homine, nisi spiritus hominis, qui in ipso est, — nemo utique sed hominum; neque enim hoc de deo accipi potest, cum de Christo scriptum sit non opus fuisse, ut quisquam illi testimonium perhiberet de homine, quoniam ipse sciebat, quid esset in homine; nam hoc apostolus planius explicans: Quem nemo, inquit, hominum uidit nec uidere potest — si ergo ita dictum est: Deum nemo uidit umquam, ac si diceretur: Nemo hominum, hactenus illa quaestio soluta uidebitur, ut non sit huic sententiae contrarium, quod dominus ait: Angeli eorum semper uident faciem patris mei, ut scilicet angelos deum uidere credamus, quem nemo uidit umquam sed hominum. quo modo ergo deum uidit Abraham, Isaac, Iacob, Iob, Moyses, Michaeas, Esaias et si qui alii sunt, de quibus ueracissima scriptura testatur, quod deum uiderint, si deum nemo umquam hominum uidit nec uidere potest?

By what rule of understanding, then, shall we prove that these apparently contrary and conflicting statements are not contrary and do not conflict? For it cannot possibly be that this authority of the Scriptures lies in any part. Suppose we say that in the words “No one has ever seen God” only men are to be understood, as was also said, “No one knows what goes on in a man except the spirit of the man that is in him” (“no one,” that is, of men; for this cannot be taken of God, since it is written of Christ that he had no need for anyone to bear witness to him about man, because he himself knew what was in man; and the apostle explains this more plainly when he says, “whom no one of men has seen or can see”). If, then, “No one has ever seen God” was said as if it were said, “No one of men,” the question will seem solved to this extent: what the Lord said, “Their angels always see the face of my Father,” will not be contrary to that statement, so that we may believe that the angels see God, whom no one, that is, no one of men, has ever seen. How, then, did Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Job, Moses, Micaiah, Isaiah, and any others of whom the most truthful Scripture testifies that they saw God, see him, if no one of men has ever seen God or can see him?

John 1:18 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Cor 2:11 (quotation, high confidence) · John 2:25 (allusion, high confidence) · 1 Tim 6:16 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 18:10 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Kgs 22:19 (allusion, medium confidence)

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Summary: Reading 'no one' as 'no one of men' explains how angels see God, but not how Abraham, Moses, Isaiah, and others are said to have seen him.

  • 1 Cor 2:11; John 2:25; “whom no one of men has seen or can see”: 1 Tim 6:16. Micaiah: 1 Kgs 22:19.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (stray period): Quem nemo. inquit → Quem nemo, inquit.

Topics: Scripture and canon

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 147.14 (CSEL 44:286–287; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/147-1/#p-147-14).

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147.15CSEL 44:287–288

Quamquam nonnulli uolentes probare etiam impios uisuros deum a diabolo quoque ipso deum uisum putant sic accipientes, quod scriptum est in libro Iob uenisse cum angelis et diabolum, in conspectu dei, ut iam et illud ueniat in quaestionem, quomodo dictum sit: Beati mundo corde, quoniam ipsi deum uidebunt, et illud: Pacem sectamini cum omnibus et sanctificationem, sine qua nemo poterit uidere deum. multum enim miror, si eo usque progrediuntur, qui existimant impios uisuros deum et a diabolo uisum deum, ut eos et mundo esse corde et pacem ac sanctificationem cum omnibus sectari adseuerent.

And yet some, wishing to prove that even the wicked will see God, think that God was seen even by the devil himself, taking in this sense what is written in the book of Job, that the devil also came with the angels into the presence of God. Thus the further question arises how it was said, “Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God,” and, “Pursue peace with all, and holiness, without which no one will be able to see God.” For I would be very surprised if those who think that the wicked will see God and that God was seen by the devil go so far as to assert that they are both pure in heart and pursue peace and holiness with all.

Job 1:6 (allusion, high confidence) · Matt 5:8 (quotation, high confidence) · Heb 12:14 (quotation, high confidence)

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Summary: Some claim from Job that even the devil saw God, but this conflicts with texts that only the pure in heart and holy will see him.

  • Job 1:6; 2:1. Matt 5:8. Heb 12:14.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (stray marks): omnibus i,I sectari → omnibus sectari.

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 147.15 (CSEL 44:287–288; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/147-1/#p-147-15).

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