Letters 147.34–147.51
Latin text: Goldbacher, CSEL 34, 44, 57 (Latin text: Alois Goldbacher (CSEL 34, 44, 57, 1895–1911), digitized by Open Greek and Latin (csel-dev, University of Leipzig), CC BY-SA 4.0).English: Claude (claude-opus-5-5), public domain (CC0). Compare: Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers, series 1, vol. 1 (1886).
Chapter 147
147.34CSEL 44:307–308
Ego haec uerba apostoli Pauli sic intellegere soleo: in latitudine bona opera caritatis, in longitudine perseuerantiam usque in finem, in altitudine spem caelestium praemiorum, in profundo inscrutabilia iudicia dei, unde ista gratia in homines uenit, et hunc intellectum coaptare etiam sacramento crucis, ut in latitudine accipiatur transuersum lignum, quo extenduntur manus, propter operum significationem; in longitudine ab ipso usque in terram, ubi totum corpus crucifixum stare uidetur, quod significat persistere, hoc est longanimiter permanere; in altitudine ab ipso transuerso ligno sursum uersus, quod ad caput eminet, propter expectationem supernorum, ne illa opera bona atque in eis perseuerantia propter beneficia dei terrena ac temporalia facienda credantur sed potius propter illud, quod desuper sempiternum sperat fides, quae per dilectionem operatur; in profundo autem pars illa ligni, quae in terrae abdito defixa latet, sed inde consurgit omne illud, quod eminet, sicut ex occulta dei uoluntate uocatur homo ad participationem tantae gratiae alius sic alius autem sic; supereminentem uero scientiae caritatem Christi eam profecto, ubi pax illa est, quae praecellit omnem intellectum. sed siue hoc in istis apostolicis uerbis etiam ille senserit euangelicus disputator siue aliud aliquid fortasse congruentius, uides tamen etiam hoc, ni fallor, a regula fidei non abhorrere.
I usually understand these words of the apostle Paul in this way: in the breadth, the good works of love; in the length, perseverance to the end; in the height, the hope of heavenly rewards; in the depth, the unsearchable judgments of God, from which this grace comes to men. I also fit this understanding to the sacrament of the cross: in the breadth is taken the crossbeam on which the hands are stretched out, signifying works; in the length, the part from the crossbeam down to the ground, where the whole crucified body is seen to stand, which signifies persisting, that is, remaining with long-suffering; in the height, the part from the crossbeam upward that rises to the head, signifying the expectation of things above, so that those good works and perseverance in them may not be thought to be done for the sake of God’s earthly and temporal benefits, but rather for the eternal thing above which faith, working through love, hopes for; and in the depth, that part of the wood which is fixed and hidden in the secret of the earth, but from which rises all that stands out, just as by the hidden will of God a man is called to share in so great a grace, one in this way and another in that; and the love of Christ that surpasses knowledge, surely that love where there is the peace that surpasses all understanding. But whether that expounder of the Gospel also took this sense from these apostolic words, or perhaps something more fitting, you see, unless I am mistaken, that this too is not contrary to the rule of faith.
Eph 3:18 (allusion, high confidence) · Eph 3:19 (quotation, high confidence) · Rom 11:33 (allusion, high confidence) · Gal 5:6 (allusion, high confidence) · Phil 4:7 (quotation, high confidence)
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Summary: Augustine interprets the breadth, length, height, and depth of Ephesians 3 as love's works, perseverance, hope, and God's hidden judgments, and maps them on the cross.
- Eph 3:18–19; unsearchable judgments: Rom 11:33; faith working through love: Gal 5:6; the peace that surpasses all understanding: Phil 4:7. Augustine gives the same interpretation of the cross elsewhere (e.g. Letter 140; On Christian Teaching 2.41.62).
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 147.34 (CSEL 44:307–308; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/147-34/#p-147-34).
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147.35CSEL 44:308–309
Unde autem nunc agimus propter contuitum spiritalem, cum dixisset: Qui cognouit, quae sit latitudo et longitudo et altitudo et profundum, et supereminentem scientiae caritatem Christi, uidit et Christum, uidit et patrem, ne alicui tardissimo de corporali uisione dicere uideretur, nos enim, inquit, iam secundum carnem non nouimus Christum sed secundum spiritum. spiritus enim ante faciem nostram Christus dominus. quod ait hoc loco (nouimus), secundum fidem dixit, quae nunc est, non secundum contemplationem, quae tunc erit, quia et illud nouimus, quicquid fide non ficta etiamsi nondum per speciem contuendo iam tamen inconcusse credendo retinemus. denique cum dixisset iam non se secundum carnem Christum nosse, sicut apostolus ait, et addidisset testimonium de propheta spiritus enim ante faciem nostram Christus dominus, continuo subiecit: Qui nos in omnem plenitudinem dei misericordia sua implere dignetur, ut uideri possit a nobis. certe manifestum est, quod illam notitiam, ubi dixerat nouimus, ex fide posuit, ex qua modo iustus uiuit, non ex contemplatione, qua deum uidebimus, sicuti est. hanc enim sibi et nobis consequenter optauit futuramque significauit dicendo: Qui nos in omnem plenitudinem dei misericordia sua implere dignetur, ut uideri possit a nobis.
But to return to what we are now discussing, namely spiritual contemplation: when he had said, “Whoever has known what is the breadth and length and height and depth, and the love of Christ that surpasses knowledge, has seen both Christ and the Father,” so that he might not seem to some very slow person to be speaking of bodily vision, he says: “For we no longer know Christ according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. For the Spirit before our face is Christ the Lord.” What he says here, “we know,” he said according to the faith that exists now, not according to the contemplation that will exist then; for we also know whatever we hold by faith unfeigned, even if not yet beholding it in clear sight, yet already believing it unshakeably. Then, when he had said that he no longer knew Christ according to the flesh, as the apostle says, and had added the testimony from the prophet, “For the Spirit before our face is Christ the Lord,” he went on at once: “who in his mercy may deign to fill us with all the fullness of God, so that he may be seen by us.” Certainly it is clear that the knowledge he spoke of where he said “we know” he placed in faith, by which the righteous now lives, not in the contemplation by which we shall see God as he is. For this he went on to wish for himself and for us, and showed it to be in the future, by saying, “who in his mercy may deign to fill us with all the fullness of God, so that he may be seen by us.”
Eph 3:18 (quotation, high confidence) · 2 Cor 5:16 (quotation, high confidence) · Lam 4:20 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Tim 1:5 (allusion, medium confidence) · Rom 1:17 (allusion, high confidence) · Eph 3:19 (allusion, high confidence) · 1 John 3:2 (allusion, high confidence)
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Summary: Ambrose's 'we know Christ according to the Spirit' refers to the knowledge of faith now; the vision of God as he is lies in the future, as his closing prayer shows.
- 2 Cor 5:16; Lam 4:20 (Latin/Greek version); faith unfeigned: 1 Tim 1:5; the righteous lives by faith: Rom 1:17 (Hab 2:4); fullness of God: Eph 3:19; 1 John 3:2.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (stray semicolon): faciem; nostram → faciem nostram.
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 147.35 (CSEL 44:308–309; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/147-34/#p-147-35).
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147.36CSEL 44:309–310
Hanc plenitudinem dei quidam in sermone apostoli sic intellexerunt, ut putarent nos hoc futuros omnino, quod deus est. haec enim uerba, sicut recognoscis, apostolus posuit ita loquens: Cognoscere etiam supereminentem scientiae caritatem Christi, ut impleamini in omnem plenitudinem dei. quapropter si aliquid, inquiunt, minus quam deus habebimus et in aliquo minores erimus, quo modo implebimur in omnem plenitudinem dei? sed, quoniam implebimur, profecto erimus aequales. auersaris istum utique et detestaris humanae mentis errorem, scio; recte facis. sed quo modo intellegenda sit ista plenitudo, qua dictum est implendos nos esse in omnem plenitudinem dei, postea, si deus uoluerit, pro uiribus, quas dederit, disseremus.
Some have understood this fullness of God in the apostle’s words as meaning that we shall become altogether what God is. For the apostle, as you recall, used these words, saying: “To know also the love of Christ that surpasses knowledge, that you may be filled with all the fullness of God.” “Therefore,” they say, “if we have anything less than God and are lesser in any respect, how shall we be filled with all the fullness of God? But since we shall be filled, we shall surely be equal.” You turn away from this error of the human mind and detest it, I know; you do well. But how this fullness is to be understood, by which it was said that we are to be filled with all the fullness of God, we shall discuss later, God willing, according to the strength he gives.
Eph 3:19 (quotation, high confidence)
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Summary: Augustine rejects the view that being 'filled with all the fullness of God' means becoming equal to God, and defers its explanation.
- Eph 3:19. Augustine answers the question in 147.53: we shall be full of God, not ourselves God.
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 147.36 (CSEL 44:309–310; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/147-34/#p-147-36).
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147.37CSEL 44:310–312
Nunc autem, quod mihi proposueras et ad explicandum difficile uidebatur, utrum explicatum sit, diligenter adtende recolendo, quae dicta sunt. si enim quaeris, utrum possit deus uideri, respondeo: potest. si quaeris, unde sciam, respondeo: quia in ueracissima scriptura legitur: Beati mundo corde, quoniam ipsi deum uidebunt, et cetera talia. si quaeris, quo modo dictus sit inuisibilis, si uideri potest, respondeo inuisibilem esse natura, uideri autem, cum uult, sicut uult; plurimis enim uisus est, non sicuti est, sed quali specie illi placuit apparere. si quaeris, quo modo eum uidit uel Cain sceleratus, quando de suo scelere ab illo interrogatus et iudicatus est, uel etiam ipse diabolus, quando uenit cum angelis, ut coram illo adsisteret, si beati mundo corde, quoniam ipsi deum uidebunt, respondeo non quidem esse consequens, ut etiam uideant deum, qui uoces ab eo factas aliquando audiunt; neque enim uiderunt eum, qui audierunt, quando dixit ad filium: Et clarificaui et iterum clarificabo; uerum tamen non esse mirandum, si aliqui etiam non mundi corde uident deum in specie, quam uoluntas eius fecerit, latente inuisibili et apud se incommutabili manente natura. si quaeris, utrum etiam, sicuti est, aliquando possit uideri, respondeo filiis hoc esse promissum, de quibus dictum est: Scimus, quia, cum apparuerit, similes ei erimus, quoniam uidebimus eum, sicuti est. si quaeris, unde eum uidebimus, respondeo: unde angeli uident, quibus tunc erimus aequales; sicut enim uidentur ista, quae uisibilia nominantur, deum nemo uidit umquam nec uidere potest, quoniam lucem habitat inaccessibilem et est natura inuisibilis sicut incorruptibilis, quae contextim apostolus posuit dicens: Regi autem saeculorum inuisibili, incorruptibili, quia sicut nunc incorruptibilis nec postea corruptibilis ita non solum nunc sed etiam semper inuisibilis. nec in loco enim uidetur sed mundo corde nec corporalibus oculis quaeritur nec circumscribitur uisu nec tactu tenetur nec auditur affatu nec sentitur incessu). unigenitus autem filius, qui est in sinu patris, deitatis naturam atque substantiam insonabiliter narrat et ideo dignis idoneisque tanto conspectu oculis etiam inuisibiliter monstrat, ipsi enim sunt oculi, de quibus apostolus dicit: Inluminatos oculos cordis uestri et de quibus dicitur: Inlumina oculos meos, ne umquam obdormiam in morte. dominus enim spiritus est; unde, qui adhaeret domino, unus spiritus est; proinde, qui potest deum inuisibiliter uidere, ipse deo potest incorporaliter adhaerere.
Now consider carefully, recalling what has been said, whether what you put to me, which seemed difficult to explain, has been explained. If you ask whether God can be seen, I answer: he can. If you ask how I know, I answer: because in the most truthful Scripture we read, “Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God,” and other such things. If you ask how he is called invisible if he can be seen, I answer that he is invisible by nature, but is seen when he wills, as he wills; for he has been seen by very many, not as he is, but in whatever form it pleased him to appear. If you ask how even the wicked Cain saw him, when he was questioned and judged by him about his crime, or even the devil himself, when he came with the angels to stand before him, if the pure in heart are blessed because they shall see God, I answer that it does not follow that those who sometimes hear words made by him also see God; for those did not see him who heard when he said to the Son, “I have glorified it, and I will glorify it again.” Yet it is not to be wondered at if some even who are not pure in heart see God in a form his will has made, while his invisible nature remains hidden and unchangeable in itself. If you ask whether he can ever be seen as he is, I answer that this has been promised to his children, of whom it was said: “We know that when he appears we shall be like him, because we shall see him as he is.” If you ask by what means we shall see him, I answer: by that by which the angels see, to whom we shall then be equal. For in the way these things called visible are seen, no one has ever seen God or can see him, since he dwells in unapproachable light and is invisible by nature, as he is incorruptible; and the apostle put these together, saying, “To the King of the ages, invisible, incorruptible”: because, as he is incorruptible now and will not be corruptible later, so he is invisible not only now but always. For he “is not seen in a place, but by a pure heart; nor is he sought with bodily eyes, nor bounded by sight, nor held by touch, nor heard by speech, nor perceived by gait.” But the only-begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, declares without sound the nature and substance of the Godhead, and therefore shows it, invisibly too, to eyes worthy and fit for so great a sight. These are the eyes of which the apostle says, “the eyes of your heart enlightened,” and of which it is said, “Enlighten my eyes, lest I ever sleep in death.” For the Lord is the Spirit; hence he who cleaves to the Lord is one spirit; accordingly, he who can see God invisibly can cleave to God incorporeally.
Matt 5:8 (quotation, high confidence) · Gen 4:9 (allusion, high confidence) · Job 1:6 (allusion, high confidence) · John 12:28 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 John 3:2 (quotation, high confidence) · John 1:18 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Tim 6:16 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Tim 1:17 (quotation, high confidence) · Eph 1:18 (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 13:3 (12:4 LXX) (quotation, high confidence) · 2 Cor 3:17 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Cor 6:17 (quotation, high confidence)
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Summary: Augustine summarizes: God is invisible by nature but appears in chosen forms; his children will see him as he is, as the angels do, with the eyes of the heart.
- Matt 5:8; Cain: Gen 4:9–15; the devil: Job 1:6; “I have glorified it …”: John 12:28; 1 John 3:2; unapproachable light: 1 Tim 6:16; “To the King of the ages …”: 1 Tim 1:17; the eyes of the heart: Eph 1:18; “Enlighten my eyes …”: Ps 13:3 (LXX 12:4); “The Lord is the Spirit”: 2 Cor 3:17; “he who cleaves to the Lord is one spirit”: 1 Cor 6:17. The quotation is from Ambrose, Exposition of Luke 1.27.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (hyphenation and OCR slip; stray period): audierunt. quando → audierunt, quando; quo- Diam → quoniam.
Topics: Eschatology
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 147.37 (CSEL 44:310–312; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/147-34/#p-147-37).
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147.38CSEL 44:312–313
Puto iam non esse in quaestione, quam proposuisti, amplius, quod requiras. sed in hac tota nostra disputatione considera, quid uideris, quid credideris, quid adhuc nescias, siue quia non dixi siue quia non intellexisti siue quia non iudicasti esse credendum. et ea, quae uera esse uidisti, adhuc discerne, unde uideris, utrum recolendo illa te uidisse per corpus sicut corpora caelestia uel terrestria, an uero numquam ea corporalibus adtigeris uisibus, sed sola mente intuens uera et certa esse perspexeris sicut uoluntatem tuam, de qua ego tibi credere loquenti possum. eam uero, ut abs te uidetur, uidere ipse non possum. et cum haec utraque discreueris, etiam id adtende, unde discernas. quamuis enim alia corpore, alia mente uideamus, horum tamen duorum generum ipsa discretio uidetur mente, non corpore. et ea, quae mente conspiciuntur, non indigent ullo corporis sensu, ut ea uera esse nouerimus; quae autem per corpus uidentur, nisi mens adsit, quae talia nuntiata suscipiat, nulla possunt scientia contineri. et quod nuntiata quasi suscipere perhibetur, foris ea relinquit; sed eorum imagines, id est incorporeas similitudines corporum incorporaliter commendat memoriae, unde, cum uoluerit et potuerit, uelut de custodia productas atque in conspectum cogitationis exhibitas iudicet. et cum ualet, etiam duo ista discernit, quid in specie corporali foris reliquerit, quid eius simile intus aspiciat, et illud absens, hoc praesens esse dinoscit, sicut me absente faciem mei corporis cogitas et illa tibi est imago praesens, absens autem facies, cuius imago est; et haec corpus, illa uero incorporea corporis similitudo est.
I think there is now nothing more for you to ask in the question you proposed. But in this whole discussion of ours consider what you have seen, what you have believed, and what you still do not know, whether because I have not said it, or because you have not understood, or because you have not judged it worthy of belief. And among the things you have seen to be true, distinguish further by what you have seen them: whether by remembering that you saw them through the body, as heavenly or earthly bodies, or whether you have never touched them with bodily sight, but have perceived them to be true and certain by beholding them with the mind alone, like your will, about which I can believe you when you tell me, but which I cannot myself see as it is seen by you. And when you have distinguished both of these, notice also by what you distinguish them. For although we see some things with the body and others with the mind, the distinction itself between these two kinds is seen by the mind, not the body. And the things perceived by the mind need no sense of the body for us to know that they are true; but the things seen through the body cannot be held in any knowledge unless the mind is present to receive such reports. And what it is said, as it were, to receive as reported, it leaves outside; but it commits their images, that is, the incorporeal likenesses of bodies, incorporeally to memory, from which, when it wills and can, it brings them out as from a store and sets them before the gaze of thought, and judges them. And when it is able, it distinguishes these two things as well: what it left outside in bodily form, and what likeness of it it beholds within; and it recognizes the one as absent and the other as present: as, when I am absent, you think of the face of my body, and that image is present to you, while the face of which it is the image is absent; and the face is a body, while the image is an incorporeal likeness of a body.
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Summary: Augustine asks Paulina to sort what she has seen, believed, and not known, noting that the mind, not the body, distinguishes bodily from mental sight and stores images of bodies.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (stray period; stray periods): in quaestione. quam proposuisti. amplius → in quaestione, quam proposuisti, amplius; conspiciuntur. non → conspiciuntur, non.
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 147.38 (CSEL 44:312–313; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/147-34/#p-147-38).
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147.39CSEL 44:313–314
His igitur, quae uides, diligenter fidenterque perspectis atque distinctis adtende, quae credis in hoc ipso sermone toto, ex quo ad te loqui his litteris coepi. et in eis ipsis, quibus non uisis accommodas fidem, ipsa testium pondera discernendo perpende. neque enim mihi sic credis quem ad modum Ambrosio, de cuius libris tanta illa testimonia posui; aut si ambobus nobis aequa lance putas esse credendum, numquid ullo modo nos euangelio comparabis aut scripta nostra scripturis canonicis coaequabis? profecto, si recte in diiudicando sapis, longe nos infra uides ab illa auctoritate distare et me quidem longius, sed utrique nostrum quantum libet credas, utrumque illi excellentiae nequaquam comparas. quocirca id, quod scriptum est: Deum nemo uidit umquam, et: Lucem habitat inaccessibilem, quem nemo hominum uidit nec uidere potest, et: Beati mundo corde, quia ipsi deum uidebunt, et quicquid aliud ex illis sanctis libris commemoraui, firmius credis quam id, quod dixit Ambrosius: Nec in loco deus uidetur nec corporalibus oculis quaeritur nec circumscribitur uisu nec tactu tenetur nec auditur affatu nec sentitur incessu. talem quippe esse intellexit uel credidit deum, qui mundo corde conspicitur; hanc autem etiam meam sententiam esse confiteor.
When you have carefully and confidently examined and distinguished these things that you see, consider what you believe in this whole discourse in which I began to speak to you in this letter. And among the very things to which, unseen, you give your faith, weigh and distinguish the weight of the witnesses. For you do not believe me in the same way as Ambrose, from whose books I have set down those great testimonies; or, if you think both of us are to be believed in equal balance, will you in any way compare us to the Gospel, or make our writings equal to the canonical Scriptures? Surely, if you judge rightly, you see that we stand far below that authority, and I farther; but however much you believe either of us, you in no way compare either to that excellence. Therefore you believe more firmly what is written, “No one has ever seen God,” and, “He dwells in unapproachable light, whom no one of men has seen or can see,” and, “Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God,” and whatever else I have quoted from those holy books, than what Ambrose said: “Nor is God seen in a place, nor sought with bodily eyes, nor bounded by sight, nor held by touch, nor heard by speech, nor perceived by gait.” For such he understood or believed God to be, who is beheld by a pure heart; and I confess that this is my opinion too.
John 1:18 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Tim 6:16 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 5:8 (quotation, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: Augustine reminds Paulina that his and Ambrose's words carry far less weight than canonical Scripture, though he shares Ambrose's view.
- John 1:18; 1 Tim 6:16; Matt 5:8. Ambrose, Exposition of Luke 1.27.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (leaked line number): me quidem 10 longius → me quidem longius.
Topics: Scripture and canon
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 147.39 (CSEL 44:313–314; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/147-34/#p-147-39).
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147.40CSEL 44:314–315
Aliter ergo ista, aliter illa diuina uerba in fide recipis. de nobis enim tibi subest fortasse aliquis scrupulus, ne in his diuinis eloquiis aliquid minus dilucide intellegamus et, non sicut dicta sunt, sed sicut suspicamur, exponantur a nobis. forte enim dicis apud temet ipsam: Quid, si et mundo corde uidetur deus et in loco tamen uidetur? aut: Quid, si etiam oculis corporalibus deum uidebunt, qui mundo sunt corde, cum corruptibile hoc induerit incorruptionem, quando erimus aequales angelis dei? quantum ergo nobis credere debeas uel non debeas, fortassis ignoras et, uel plus uel minus, quam debes, nobis credendo ne fallaris, adtendis; diuinis autem scripturis etiam nondum perspicue intellectis credendum esse non dubitas. sed hanc certe considerationem credendi uel non credendi et difficultatem scientiae et dubitationis aestus et piam fidem, quae diuinis debetur affatibus, in tua mente, ita ut sunt, adtendis et uides nec de his omnino, quod apud te ita sint, siue ut ego dixi siue ut ipsa potius nosti, aliquid ambigis. uides itaque fidem tuam, uides dubitationem tuam, uides studium tuum uoluntatemque discendi et, cum auctoritate diuina mouearis ad credenda, quae non uides, haec te tamen credere incunctanter uides. distribuis et discernis haec omnia.
You receive, then, these words in faith in one way, and those divine words in another. For about us there may perhaps remain some scruple in you, lest we understand something in these divine utterances less clearly, and expound them not as they were said but as we suppose. For perhaps you say to yourself: “What if God is seen by a pure heart and yet is seen in a place?” Or: “What if those who are pure in heart will see God even with bodily eyes, when this corruptible has put on incorruption, when we shall be equal to the angels of God?” Perhaps, then, you do not know how far you ought or ought not to believe us, and you take care not to be deceived by believing us more or less than you should; but you do not doubt that the divine Scriptures must be believed even when they are not yet clearly understood. But certainly this weighing of believing or not believing, the difficulty of knowledge, the turmoil of doubt, and the pious faith owed to the divine utterances, you notice in your mind just as they are, and you see them, and you have no doubt at all that they are so in you, whether as I have said or as you yourself know better. You see, then, your faith, you see your doubt, you see your eagerness and will to learn; and though you are moved by divine authority to believe things you do not see, you see without hesitation that you believe them. You sort and distinguish all these things.
1 Cor 15:53 (allusion, high confidence) · Luke 20:36 (allusion, high confidence)
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Summary: Paulina may hesitate over Augustine's interpretations, but she believes Scripture unconditionally; and she sees within herself her faith, doubt, and desire to learn.
- 1 Cor 15:53; Luke 20:36.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (stray period): . Aliter → Aliter.
Topics: Scripture and canon
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 147.40 (CSEL 44:314–315; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/147-34/#p-147-40).
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147.41CSEL 44:315–316
Num igitur his oculis cordis tui, quibus haec omnia uera et certa esse contueris tibique praesentia inuisibiliter cernis atque discernis, ullo modo corporeos oculos comparabis, cum etiam de ipsis rebus uisibilibus, quae corporalium oculorum acie quodam modo radiantur, et de ipsis corporeis oculis eorumque acie, qualiscumque et quantacumque sit, quantum distet ab inuisibilibus non excellentioribus, quibus etiam non uisis fidem debes, sed ab his, quae commemoraui, quae non credis absentia, sed praesentia mente contueris, non eisdem ipsis carnis oculis sed illis interioribus iudices? cum ergo interiores oculi iudices sint exteriorum oculorum, isti autem illis quodam officio nuntiandi et ministerio famulentur multaque illi uideant, quae isti non uident, nihil isti uideant, unde non illi tamquam praesides iudicent, quis non illos istis incomparabili aestimatione praeponat?
Will you, then, in any way compare your bodily eyes with these eyes of your heart, by which you behold all these things to be true and certain and invisibly discern and distinguish them as present to you? For it is not with those same eyes of the flesh but with those inner ones that you judge even about the visible things themselves, which are in a sense irradiated by the beam of the bodily eyes, and about the bodily eyes themselves and their beam, of whatever quality and strength it may be, and how far they stand from invisible things: not from the more excellent ones, to which you owe faith even unseen, but from those I have mentioned, which you do not believe as absent but behold as present to the mind. Since, then, the inner eyes are judges of the outer eyes, while the outer serve the inner in a kind of office of reporting, and the inner see many things the outer do not see, while the outer see nothing on which the inner do not pass judgment as presiding, who would not set the inner above the outer by a value beyond comparison?
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Summary: The inner eyes of the heart judge the bodily eyes and see what they cannot, and so are incomparably superior.
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 147.41 (CSEL 44:315–316; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/147-34/#p-147-41).
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147.42CSEL 44:316–317
Quae cum ita sint, obsecro te, cum agitur in te ipsa hoc tam grande negotium, cum ab exterioribus interiora distinguis atque illa istis ineffabiliter anteponis cumque istis foris relictis in illis intrinsecus demoraris et ea suis quibusdam incorporalibus finibus metiendo diiudicas, in nulla te putas an in aliqua luce uersari? ego enim existimo, quod tanta ibi et talia tam uera, tam clara, tam certa uideri sine luce non possunt. ipsam igitur lucem, in qua illa cuncta perspicis, intuere et uide, utrum ad eam possit accedere ullus corporeorum radius oculorum. profecto non potest adtende etiam et, utrum in ea uideas ulla locorum spatia uel interualla, responde. nihil ibi tale, ut arbitror, inuenis, si uigilanter abigis ab aspectu intimo, quicquid imaginum corporalium exterioris hominis sensus inuexit. sed forte difficile est; inruit enim de consuetudine carnalis uitae in ipsos quoque interiores oculos turba phantasmatum in similitudinibus corporum, cui resistere conatus saltem auctoritate diuina exclamaui dolens in illa breui epistula et dixi: Audiat caro carnalibus cogitationibus ebria: Spiritus est deus. neque enim cuiusquam magis quam etiam ipsam meam mentem ab huius modi uanitate illa increpatione compescui. facilius quippe inclinamur ad solita et amicum est infirmitati animae corporalem conuersationem introrsus uel mittere uel admittere, non ubi sana consistat, sed ubi languida quodam modo aut incumbat aut iaceat.
This being so, I beg you: when this great business is going on within you, when you distinguish the inner from the outer and set the former ineffably above the latter, and, leaving the latter outside, dwell inwardly in the former and judge them by measuring them by certain incorporeal bounds of their own, do you think you are in no light, or in some light? For my part, I think that things so great and of such a kind, so true, so clear, so certain, cannot be seen there without light. Look, then, at that light itself in which you discern all those things, and see whether any ray of the bodily eyes can reach it. Surely it cannot. Notice also, and answer, whether you see in it any spaces or distances of places. You find nothing of the kind there, I think, if you vigilantly drive from your inmost sight whatever images of bodies the senses of the outer man have brought in. But perhaps it is difficult; for from the habit of carnal life a crowd of phantasms in the likenesses of bodies rushes in even upon those inner eyes. Trying to resist it, at least by divine authority, I cried out in sorrow in that short letter and said: “Let the flesh, drunk with carnal thoughts, hear this: God is spirit.” For by that rebuke I restrained no one’s mind from vanity of this kind more than my own. For we are more easily inclined to what is habitual, and it is congenial to the weakness of the soul to send or let carnal ways of thinking within, not where it may stand firm in health, but where, in a sense, it may lean or lie down in its sickness.
John 4:24 (quotation, high confidence)
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Summary: The mind sees inner truths in a light no bodily eye reaches and without spatial extension, though bodily images crowd in, as Augustine admitted in his earlier letter.
- The short letter is Letter 92 (to Italica), 92.5. “God is spirit”: John 4:24.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR slip): coi-porum → corporum.
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 147.42 (CSEL 44:316–317; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/147-34/#p-147-42).
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147.43CSEL 44:317–318
Proinde, si non potes aciem mentis tuae a corporearum similitudinum quasi nubilo perspicue serenare, eas ipsas apud te ipsam uigilanter adtende. intuere caelum et terram cogitando, sicut oculis corporis cernendo consuesti, easque imagines caeli et terrae, quae ante oculos cogitationis productae sunt, uide similitudines corporum esse, non corpora. sic ergo iudica contra te ipsam pro te ipsa, si non potes omnifariam corporalium qualitatum imaginarias formas ab acie tuae mentis abigere, et, unde uinceris, inde conuince. neque enim est, ut opinor, quisquam etiam talibus imaginationibus ita deditus, ut credat sic esse in memoria sua uel in ipso conspectu cogitationis suae solem, lunam, stellas, amnes, maria, montes, colles, urbes, parietes denique domus suae uel etiam cubiculi sui, et quicquid per oculos corporis tale cognouit et tenet, ut locorum spatiis atque interuallis siue stent siue moueantur. porro si ea, quae in animo nostro sunt corporalibus locisque simillima, non tamen locorum spatiis ac finibus continentur nec interuallis localibus in nostra memoria reponuntur, quanto magis illa, quae nullam gerunt similitudinem corporum, caritas, gaudium, pax, longanimitas, benignitas, bonitas, fides, mansuetudo, continentia, nulla locorum spatia tenent, nulla intercapedine separantur aut aliqua oculi cordis, quo radios suos mittant et ea uideant, interualla conquirunt! nonne omnia in uno sunt sine angustia et suis terminis nota sunt sine circuitu regionum? aut dic, in quo loco uideas caritatem, quae tamen in tantum tibi cognita est, in quantum eam potes mentis acie contueri, quam non ideo magnam nosti, quia ingentem aliquam molem conspiciendo lustrasti; nec, cum tibi intus loquitur, ut secundum eam uiuas, ullis perstrepit sonis nec, ut eam cernas, corporalium lumen erigis oculorum nec, ut eam fortiter teneas, corporalium uires praeparas lacertorum nec, cum tibi uenit in mentem, sentis eius incessum.
Accordingly, if you cannot clear the gaze of your mind plainly of the cloud, as it were, of bodily likenesses, attend vigilantly to these very likenesses within yourself. Look at heaven and earth in thought, as you are accustomed to discern them with the eyes of the body, and see that those images of heaven and earth which have been brought before the eyes of thought are likenesses of bodies, not bodies. Judge thus against yourself and for yourself, if you cannot drive altogether from the gaze of your mind the imaginary forms of bodily qualities; and refute yourself by the very thing that defeats you. For there is no one, I think, so given over even to such imaginings as to believe that the sun, moon, stars, rivers, seas, mountains, hills, cities, even the walls of his house or of his bedroom, and whatever of that kind he has come to know and holds through the eyes of the body, are in his memory, or in the very view of his thought, in such a way that they stand or move in spaces and distances of places. Further, if those things in our mind which are most like bodies and places are nevertheless not contained in spaces and bounds of places, nor stored in our memory by local distances, how much more do those things that bear no likeness to bodies (love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faith, gentleness, self-control) occupy no spaces of places, are separated by no gap, nor do the eyes of the heart look for any distances across which to send their rays and see them! Are they not all in one without narrowness, and known within their own limits without any circuit of regions? Or tell me, in what place do you see love, which is nevertheless known to you just so far as you can behold it with the gaze of the mind? You do not know it to be great because you have surveyed some huge mass by looking at it; nor, when it speaks to you within so that you may live according to it, does it make any sound; nor, to discern it, do you raise the light of your bodily eyes; nor, to hold it firmly, do you prepare the strength of your bodily arms; nor, when it comes into your mind, do you perceive its gait.
Gal 5:22 (quotation, high confidence) · Gal 5:23 (quotation, high confidence)
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Summary: Even mental images of bodies occupy no space in the mind; much less do love, joy, and the other fruits of the Spirit, which are seen inwardly without place or sound.
- The list is the fruit of the Spirit, Gal 5:22–23.
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 147.43 (CSEL 44:317–318; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/147-34/#p-147-43).
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147.44CSEL 44:318–319
Ecce etiam caritas, quantulacumque in nostra uoluntate consistit nobisque conspicua est, nec in loco uidetur nec corporalibus oculis quaeritur nec circumscribitur uisu nec tactu tenetur nec auditur affatu nec sentitur incessu. quanto magis deus ipse, cuius hoc pignus in nobis est! nam si interior homo noster, quantulacumque imago eius non de illo genita sed ab illo creata, quamuis adhuc renouetur de die in diem, iam tamen in tali luce habitat, quo nullus oculorum corporalium sensus accedit, si ea, quae in illa luce cordis oculis intuemur, et discernuntur inter se et nullis locorum spatiis separantur, quanto magis deus, qui lucem habitat inaccessibilem corporis sensibus, quo nec ipsius nisi mundi potest esse cordis accessus! cum igitur lucem istam omni corporali luci non solum iudicio rationis sed amoris quoque appetitu praeposuerimus, quanto id magis ualebimus, tanto melius ualebimus, donec sanentur omnes languores animae nostrae ab illo, qui propitius fit omnibus iniquitatibus nostris. in hac enim uiuaciore uita facti spiritales poterimus omnia diiudicare, ipsi uero a nemine diiudicari. animalis autem homo non percipit, quae sunt spiritus dei; stultitia est enim illi et non potest scire, quoniam spiritaliter diiudicatur.
See, even love, however small it is in our will and visible to us, “is not seen in a place, nor sought with bodily eyes, nor bounded by sight, nor held by touch, nor heard by speech, nor perceived by gait.” How much more God himself, of whom this is the pledge in us! For if our inner man, however small an image of him, not begotten of him but created by him, though still being renewed from day to day, already dwells in such a light that no sense of the bodily eyes reaches it; if the things we behold with the eyes of the heart in that light are both distinguished from one another and separated by no spaces of places; how much more God, who dwells in light unapproachable to the bodily senses, to which there can be no approach except by a pure heart! When, therefore, we have set this light above all bodily light, not only by the judgment of reason but also by the longing of love, the more strongly we do this, the better we shall be, until all the sicknesses of our soul are healed by him who is gracious to all our iniquities. For in that more living life, made spiritual, we shall be able to judge all things and ourselves be judged by no one. But the natural man does not perceive the things of the Spirit of God; for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot know them, because they are spiritually judged.
2 Cor 4:16 (allusion, high confidence) · 1 Tim 6:16 (allusion, high confidence) · Ps 103:3 (102:3 LXX) (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Cor 2:15 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Cor 2:14 (quotation, high confidence)
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Summary: If love and the inner man are seen without place, much more is God, who dwells in light approachable only by a pure heart; the soul must be healed to become spiritual.
- The words quoted are Ambrose’s (Exposition of Luke 1.27), here applied to love. The inner man renewed: 2 Cor 4:16; unapproachable light: 1 Tim 6:16; “gracious to all our iniquities … heals all our sicknesses”: Ps 103:3 (LXX 102:3); the spiritual man judges all things: 1 Cor 2:15; the natural man: 1 Cor 2:14.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR slip; stray comma; stray letter; stray marks): Ecce etiam cantas → Ecce etiam caritas; incessu.. quanto u magis → incessu. quanto magis; non de, illo → non de illo; luce M cordis → luce cordis.
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 147.44 (CSEL 44:318–319; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/147-34/#p-147-44).
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147.45CSEL 44:319–320
Quod si nondum possumus praeferre lucem iudicantem ei luci, de qua iudicatur, praeferre uitam intellegentem uitae tantum modo sentienti, praeferre naturam non alibi hoc et alibi aliud sed omnia, quae habet, in uno simul habentem, sicuti est ipsa nostra intellegentia, ei naturae, quae ita partibus constat, ut minor sit dimidia quam tota, sicuti est omne corpus, superfluo de rebus tantis ac talibus disputamus. si autem hoc iam possumus, aliquid melius quam intellectum nostrum deum esse credamus, ut pax eius, quae praecellit omnem intellectum, custodiat corda nostra et intellegentias nostras in Christo Iesu. ipsa enim pax, quae praecellit omnem intellectum, non est utique minor nostro intellectu, ut, cum iste sit oculis corporalibus inuisibilis, illa putetur esse uisibilis. an aliud pax dei aliud splendor dei, cum idem ipse sit unigenitus filius, cuius et illa caritas, quae supereminet scientiae, cuius cognitione implebimur in omnem plenitudinem dei, non est luce nostrae mentis inferior, quae illa inluminante tribuitur? porro si ista inaccessibilis est oculis carnis, quanto magis illa huic incomparabiliter supereminens! ac per hoc, cum sit aliquid nostrum uisibile sicut hoc corpus aliquid uero inuisibile sicut homo interior et cum optimum nostrum, hoc est mens atque intellegentia, inuisibile sit oculis corporis, quo modo id, quod est melius optimo nostro, uisibile erit inferiori nostro?
But if we cannot yet prefer the light that judges to the light that is judged, prefer the life that understands to the life that only perceives by sense, prefer a nature that has not one thing here and another there but everything it has together in one, as our very understanding is, to a nature made of parts, so that a half is less than the whole, as every body is, then we are discussing such great matters to no purpose. But if we can do this already, let us believe that God is something better than our understanding, so that his peace, which surpasses all understanding, may guard our hearts and our minds in Christ Jesus. For that peace which surpasses all understanding is certainly not less than our understanding, so that, while our understanding is invisible to bodily eyes, that peace should be thought visible. Or is the peace of God one thing and the splendor of God another, when the only-begotten Son is both? And is not his love too, which surpasses knowledge, by the knowledge of which we shall be filled with all the fullness of God, not inferior to the light of our mind, which is given by its enlightening? Further, if this light is inaccessible to the eyes of the flesh, how much more that which surpasses it beyond comparison! And so, since something of ours is visible, like this body, and something invisible, like the inner man, and since the best part of us, that is, mind and understanding, is invisible to the eyes of the body, how will what is better than our best be visible to our lower part?
Phil 4:7 (quotation, high confidence) · Heb 1:3 (allusion, medium confidence) · Eph 3:19 (allusion, high confidence)
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Summary: Since our mind, the best part of us, is invisible to bodily eyes, God, whose peace surpasses all understanding, cannot be visible to them.
- “The peace of God, which surpasses all understanding …”: Phil 4:7. The splendor of God: Heb 1:3 (cf. Wis 7:26). The love that surpasses knowledge and the fullness of God: Eph 3:19.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (stray period): mens atque. intellegentia → mens atque intellegentia.
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 147.45 (CSEL 44:319–320; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/147-34/#p-147-45).
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147.46CSEL 44:320–322
Arbitror iam te concedere his omnibus consideratis recte dictum esse, quod deus nec in loco uidetur sed mundo corde nec corporalibus oculis quaeritur nec circumscribitur uisu nec tactu tenetur nec auditur affatu nec sentitur incessu). et si quid in his minus intellegimus uel aliter sapimus, id quoque nobis deus reuelabit, si, in quod peruenimus, in eo ambulemus. peruenimus autem, ut credamus deum non corpus esse sed spiritum; peruenimus etiam, ut credamus, quod deum nemo uidit umquam et quod deus lux est et tenebrae in eo non sunt ullae et quod apud eum non est commutatio nec momenti obumbratio et quod lucem habitat inaccessibilem, quem nemo hominum uidit nec uidere potest, et quod pater et filius et spiritus sanctus unus deus est sine ulla diuersitate et separatione naturae et quod mundi corde eum uidebunt et quod similes ei erimus, quoniam uidebimus eum, sicuti est, et quod deus caritas est et, qui manet in caritate, in deo manet et deus in illo manet et quod pacem et sanctificationem sectari debemus, sine qua nemo poterit uidere deum, et quod corruptibile hoc ac mortale corpus nostrum in resurrectione commutabitur et induet incorruptionem atque inmortalitatem et quia seminatur corpus animale, resurget corpus spiritale transfigurante domino corpus humilitatis nostrae, ut conforme faciat corpori gloriae suae, et quod deus fecit hominem ad imaginem et similitudinem suam et quod spiritu mentis nostrae renouamur in agnitionem dei secundum imaginem eius, qui creauit nos. in his atque huius modi scripturarum sanctarum auctoritatibus per fidem ambulantes qui dato uel adiuto diuinitus intellectu spiritaliter profecerunt et spiritalia spiritalibus comparare potuerunt, uiderunt melius uideri mente quam corpore et ea uideri mente, quae non continerentur locis nec inter se locorum interuallis separarentur nec minora essent in parte quam in toto.
I think that, having considered all these things, you now grant that it was rightly said that “God is not seen in a place, but by a pure heart; nor is he sought with bodily eyes, nor bounded by sight, nor held by touch, nor heard by speech, nor perceived by gait.” And if in these matters we understand anything less well or think otherwise, God will reveal that also to us, if we walk in what we have attained. And we have attained this: to believe that God is not a body but spirit. We have attained also to believe that no one has ever seen God; that God is light and in him there is no darkness at all; that with him there is no change nor shadow of a moment; that he dwells in unapproachable light, whom no one of men has seen or can see; that the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit are one God without any difference or separation of nature; that the pure in heart will see him; that we shall be like him, because we shall see him as he is; that God is love, and he who abides in love abides in God and God abides in him; that we must pursue peace and holiness, without which no one will be able to see God; that this corruptible and mortal body of ours will be changed in the resurrection and will put on incorruption and immortality; that it is sown a natural body and will rise a spiritual body, the Lord transfiguring the body of our lowliness to conform it to the body of his glory; that God made man in his image and likeness; and that we are renewed in the spirit of our mind to the knowledge of God according to the image of him who created us. Walking by faith in these and similar authorities of the holy Scriptures, those who, by an understanding given or helped by God, have made spiritual progress and have been able to compare spiritual things with spiritual have seen that seeing with the mind is better than seeing with the body, and that those things are seen with the mind which are not contained in places, nor separated from one another by distances of places, nor less in part than in the whole.
Phil 3:15 (allusion, high confidence) · Phil 3:16 (allusion, high confidence) · John 4:24 (allusion, high confidence) · John 1:18 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 John 1:5 (quotation, high confidence) · Jas 1:17 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Tim 6:16 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 5:8 (allusion, high confidence) · 1 John 3:2 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 John 4:16 (quotation, high confidence) · Heb 12:14 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Cor 15:53 (allusion, high confidence) · 1 Cor 15:44 (quotation, high confidence) · Phil 3:21 (quotation, high confidence) · Gen 1:26 (quotation, high confidence) · Eph 4:23 (allusion, high confidence) · Col 3:10 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Cor 2:13 (allusion, high confidence)
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Summary: Augustine lists the truths of faith about God's invisibility, the Trinity, and the resurrection body, from which the spiritually mature have learned that mental sight surpasses bodily sight.
- Phil 3:15–16; John 4:24; John 1:18; 1 John 1:5; Jas 1:17; 1 Tim 6:16; Matt 5:8; 1 John 3:2; 1 John 4:16; Heb 12:14; 1 Cor 15:53, 44; Phil 3:21; Gen 1:26; Eph 4:23; Col 3:10; 1 Cor 2:13.
- Trinitarian passage: translated as written.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (stray letter): quod i lucem → quod lucem.
Topics: Trinity, Eschatology
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 147.46 (CSEL 44:320–322; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/147-34/#p-147-46).
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147.47CSEL 44:322–323
Hinc est, quod fiducialiter ille dixit, quod Cnec in loco deus uidetur sed mundo corde nec corporalibus oculis quaeritur nec circumscribitur uisu nec tactu tenetur nec auditur affatu nec sentitur incessu. unde quia et inuisibilis in scripturis sanctis eius substantia commendatur et uisus esse a plurimis per corpus et corporalibus locis in eisdem auctoritatibus inuenitur aut spiritu, quo corporales cernuntur imagines, per aliquam licet incorpoream tamen similitudinem corporis sicut in somnis uel in extasi, secreuit ille uir sanctus a dei natura huius modi uisiones easque dixit esse, quas dei uoluntas elegisset, non quas natura formasset. facit enim istas deus, quibus, ut uult, cui uult, quando uult, appareat sua latente atque in se incommutabiliter manente substantia. si enim uoluntas nostra apud se manens et latens sine ulla sui commutatione, per quas se utcumque ostendat, exprimit uoces, quanto facilius deus omnipotens sua latente atque incommutabiliter manente natura, in qua uoluerit specie, potest, cui uoluerit, apparere, qui ex nihilo creauit omnia atque in se manens innouat omnia!
That is why he said confidently that “God is not seen in a place, but by a pure heart; nor is he sought with bodily eyes, nor bounded by sight, nor held by touch, nor heard by speech, nor perceived by gait.” Hence, since in the holy Scriptures his substance is declared invisible, and yet in the same authorities he is found to have been seen by very many, either through the body and in bodily places, or by the spirit, by which bodily images are discerned, through some likeness of a body, incorporeal though it is, as in sleep or in ecstasy, that holy man separated visions of this kind from the nature of God and said that they were those which God’s will had chosen, not those which nature had formed. For God makes these, by which he appears as he wills, to whom he wills, when he wills, while his substance remains hidden and unchangeable in itself. For if our will, remaining in itself and hidden without any change of itself, utters words by which it shows itself in some fashion, how much more easily can almighty God, while his nature remains hidden and unchangeable, appear in whatever form he wills to whomever he wills, he who created all things from nothing and, remaining in himself, renews all things!
Notes and citation
Summary: God's appearances in Scripture, bodily or in dreams and ecstasy, are forms chosen by his will, as our hidden will expresses itself in words without changing.
- “Remaining in himself, he renews all things”: Wis 7:27.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR slip; stray colon; stray marks; stray period): Hinc est. quod → Hinc est, quod; a. plurimis → a plurimis; inuenitur ant spiritu → inuenitur aut spiritu; sicut »I in somnis → sicut in somnis; uoluntas: elegisset → uoluntas elegisset; facit enim istas deus. quibus → facit enim istas deus, quibus.
Extrabiblical texts: Wis 7:27 (Wisdom of Solomon [in RC, EO, ETH canons]; quotation)
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 147.47 (CSEL 44:322–323; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/147-34/#p-147-47).
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147.48CSEL 44:323–324
Ad eam uero uisionem, qua uidebimus deum, sicuti est, mundanda corda commonuit. quia enim corpora consuetudine loquendi uisibilia nominantur, propterea deus inuisibilis dicitur, ne corpus esse credatur, non quia corda munda suae substantiae contemplatione fraudabit, cum haec magna et summa merces deum colentibus et diligentibus promittatur dicente ipso domino, quando corporalibus oculis uisibiliter apparebat et inuisibilem se contuendum mundis cordibus promittebat: Qui diligit me, diligetur a patre meo et ego diligam eum et ostendam me ipsum illi. haec quippe natura eius aequaliter cum patre inuisibilis sicut aequaliter incorruptibilis est, quae, sicut supra dictum est, continuatim apostolus posuit diuinam substantiam, qua potuit, hominibus praedicatione commendans. quam si oculi corporales in resurrectione mutata corporum qualitate conspicient, uiderint, qui hoc possunt adstruere; me plus mouet illius sententia, qui nec in ipsa resurrectione hoc corporalibus oculis sed mundis cordibus tribuit.
But for that vision by which we shall see God as he is, he urged that hearts be cleansed. For since in common speech bodies are called visible, God is called invisible so that he may not be believed to be a body, not because he will cheat pure hearts of the contemplation of his substance, since this great and highest reward is promised to those who worship and love God, the Lord himself saying, when he appeared visibly to bodily eyes and promised himself, invisible, to be beheld by pure hearts: “He who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I will love him and show myself to him.” For this nature of his is invisible equally with the Father, as it is equally incorruptible; and the apostle, as was said above, put these together, declaring the divine substance to men as far as he could by his preaching. Whether bodily eyes will behold it in the resurrection, when the quality of bodies has been changed, let those see to it who can establish this; I am more moved by the opinion of him who attributes this, even in the resurrection, not to bodily eyes but to pure hearts.
Textual problem in this passage: see the notes.
John 14:21 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Tim 1:17 (allusion, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: God is called invisible so that he will not be thought a body; pure hearts will contemplate his substance, and Augustine follows Ambrose in denying this to bodily eyes even after the resurrection.
- John 14:21; “invisible, incorruptible”: 1 Tim 1:17 (see 147.37).
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (stray period): uidebimus. deum → uidebimus deum.
Topics: Eschatology
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 147.48 (CSEL 44:323–324; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/147-34/#p-147-48).
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147.49CSEL 44:324–325
Et de spiritalis quidem corporis qualitate, quod resurrecturis promittitur, uel discere aliquid adhuc uel quaerere non recuso, si tamen de hac re disputantes illis uitiis carere possimus, quae plerumque studiis humanis et concertationibus excitantur, dum supra, quam scriptum est, unus pro altero infletur aduersus alterum, ne, dum altercando quaerimus uestigare, quo modo possit uideri deus, ipsam pacem sanctificationemque perdamus, sine qua nemo poterit uidere deum; quod ipse auertat a cordibus nostris, ut ea suae contemplationi munda reddat atque custodiat. illud tamen quia non dubito, non requiro, quod dei natura numquam uideatur in loco. iam utrum possit huius corporis oculis uideri aliquid, quod in loco non uidetur, ab eis, qui hoc ualent disserendo monstrare, cum pace dilectionis audire paratus sum et, quod me monet, in commune conferre. sunt enim quidam, qui deum ipsum omnino corpus esse praesumunt putantes, quicquid corpus non est, nullam prorsus esse substantiam. istos omni modo auersandos censeo. sunt autem alii deum quidem ipsum corpus non esse minime dubitantes, sed ideo eos, qui ad uitam aeternam resurgent, etiam per corpus deum uisuros putant, quoniam talem sperant spiritalis corporis qualitatem, ut etiam ipsa, quae caro fuerat, spiritus fiat. quod si ita est, quantum distet a superiore opinione et quam hoc sit tolerabilius, etiam si uerum non sit, puto facillime iudicari: primo, quia multum interest, utrum de creatore an de creatura aliter aliquid sentiatur, quam ueritas habet; deinde, quia conatus mentis utcumque ferendus est uolentis corpus conuertere in spiritum, non in corpus deum; postremo, quia id, quod ego in illa epistula mea dixi de istis nostrae carnis oculis, quia neque nunc possunt neque tunc poterunt deum uidere, etiam sic uerum est; non enim dictum est nisi de oculis corporalibus, quod tunc non erunt, si corpus ipsum spiritus erit, ac per hoc corporei oculi numquam deum uidebunt, quia, cum uidebitur, spiritus eum, non corpus uidebit.
As for the quality of the spiritual body promised to those who will rise, I do not refuse either to learn or to inquire further, provided that in discussing this matter we can be free of those faults which are usually stirred up by human zeal and contention, when one is puffed up for one against another beyond what is written; lest, while by wrangling we seek to trace how God can be seen, we lose the very peace and holiness without which no one will be able to see God. May he himself turn this away from our hearts, so as to make them pure for his contemplation and keep them so. But this I do not doubt, and so I do not inquire: that the nature of God is never seen in a place. Whether, further, something that is not seen in a place can be seen by the eyes of this body, I am ready to hear, in the peace of love, from those who can show it by argument, and to share with others what convinces me. For there are some who presume that God himself is altogether a body, thinking that whatever is not a body is no substance at all. Such people I judge must be turned away from in every way. But there are others who have no doubt that God himself is not a body, but think that those who rise to eternal life will see God even through the body, because they hope for such a quality of the spiritual body that what was flesh will itself become spirit. If this is so, I think it is very easily judged how far it differs from the former opinion, and how much more tolerable it is, even if it is not true: first, because it makes a great difference whether one thinks otherwise than the truth about the Creator or about the creature; second, because the effort of a mind that wishes to turn the body into spirit, not God into a body, is somehow to be borne; finally, because what I said in that letter of mine about these eyes of our flesh, that neither now can they nor then will they be able to see God, is true even so. For it was said only of bodily eyes, which will not exist then if the body itself is to be spirit; and so bodily eyes will never see God, since, when he is seen, it will be spirit, not body, that sees him.
1 Cor 4:6 (quotation, high confidence) · Heb 12:14 (quotation, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: Augustine is open to discussion of the resurrection body but rejects those who think God a body; the view that the risen body becomes spirit is more tolerable and still leaves bodily eyes unable to see God.
- “Puffed up for one against another beyond what is written”: 1 Cor 4:6. Heb 12:14. “That letter” is Letter 92.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR slip; stray character; stray period): t xcitantur → excitantur; monstrare. cum pace → monstrare, cum pace; sentiatur. quam → sentiatur, quam; mentis � utcumque → mentis utcumque.
Topics: Eschatology
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 147.49 (CSEL 44:324–325; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/147-34/#p-147-49).
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147.50CSEL 44:325–326
Tota igitur quaestio iam remansit de corpore spiritali, quatenus induat incorruptionem et inmortalitatem hoc corruptibile atque mortale et quatenus ex animali in spiritale mutetur. quae diligentius sollicitiusque tractanda est maxime propter corpus ipsius domini, qui transfigurat corpus humilitatis nostrae conforme corpori gloriae suae, ut possit sibi subicere omnia. cum enim et deus pater uideat filium et filius patrem, procul dubio non sunt audiendi, qui uisionem nolunt tribuere nisi corporibus. neque enim dici fas est, quod filium pater non uideat, aut, et ipse ut uideat, corpore indutus est, si nonnisi ad corpus pertinet uisus. quid, quod in ipso mundi exordio, antequam a filio esset ulla forma serui suscepta, uidit deus lucem, quia bona est, et firmamentum et mare et aridam et omne faenum atque omne lignum, solem, lunam, stellas, reptilia animarum uiuarum, uolatilia caeli, animam uiuam? postremo uidit deus omnia, quae fecit, et ecce bona ualde. quod cum per quasque creaturas totiens scriptura repetisset, miror, unde nata fuerit illa opinio, qua putatum est tantum ad corpora pertinere uisionem. quae opinio de quocumque loquendi more orta sit, scripturae tamen sanctae non sic loqui solent, quae nisi non tantum corpori uerum etiam spiritui magisque spiritui quam corpori uisionem tribuerent, non prophetas proprie uidentes) appellauissent, qui non corpore sed spiritu etiam futura uiderunt.
The whole question, then, now remains about the spiritual body: how far this corruptible and mortal puts on incorruption and immortality, and how far it is changed from natural to spiritual. This must be treated with special care and concern, above all because of the body of the Lord himself, who transfigures the body of our lowliness to conform it to the body of his glory, so that he can subject all things to himself. For since God the Father sees the Son and the Son the Father, those are certainly not to be listened to who will attribute vision only to bodies. For it is not lawful to say that the Father does not see the Son, or that he too, in order to see, has put on a body, if sight belongs only to a body. What of the fact that at the very beginning of the world, before any form of a servant had been taken by the Son, God saw the light, that it was good, and the firmament and the sea and the dry land and every plant and every tree, the sun, the moon, the stars, the creeping things of living souls, the birds of the sky, the living soul? Finally, God saw all that he had made, and behold, it was very good. Since Scripture repeated this so many times through each of the creatures, I wonder where that opinion arose by which it was thought that vision belongs only to bodies. From whatever manner of speaking that opinion arose, the holy Scriptures do not usually speak so; if they did not attribute vision not only to the body but also to the spirit, and to the spirit more than to the body, they would not have called the prophets, in the proper sense, “seers,” who saw even future things, not with the body but with the spirit.
1 Cor 15:53 (allusion, high confidence) · Phil 3:21 (quotation, high confidence) · Phil 2:7 (allusion, high confidence) · Gen 1:4 (allusion, high confidence) · Gen 1:31 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Sam 9:9 (allusion, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: The question of the spiritual body remains, but vision cannot belong only to bodies, since the Father sees the Son, God saw creation before the incarnation, and prophets are called seers.
- 1 Cor 15:53–54, 44; Phil 3:21; the form of a servant: Phil 2:7; God saw: Gen 1:4–31; prophets called seers: 1 Sam 9:9.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (stray period): quod filium. pater → quod filium pater.
Topics: Eschatology, Trinity
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 147.50 (CSEL 44:325–326; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/147-34/#p-147-50).
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147.51CSEL 44:326–328
Sed cogitandum est, ne quid insolenter audeamus. si dixerimus corpus non solum mortalitatem et corruptibilitatem uerum etiam hoc ipsum, quod corpus est, per gloriam resurrectionis amittere et spiritum fieri. eo modo quippe aut conduplicabitur substantia spiritus, si et corpus spiritus erit, aut, si unus erit spiritus hominis, ita ut commutato et conuerso in spiritum corpore neque geminatione neque incremento conduplicetur nec omnino ullius accessu quantitatis augeatur, metuendum est, ne nihil aliud dici uideatur quam corpora non illa mutatione inmortalia mansura, sed nulla potius futura et omnino peritura. quapropter donec diligenti inquisitione, si dominus adiuuerit, reperiatur, quid secundum scripturas de spiritali corpore, quod in resurrectione promittitur, probabilius sentiendum sit, interim nobis sufficiat, quod unigenitus filius idemque mediator dei et hominum homo Christus Iesus ita uidet patrem, sicut uidetur a patre. nos autem ad illam uisionem dei, quae nobis in resurrectione promittitur, non ex hoc mundo istam concupiscentiam oculorum transferre conemur, sed mundandis cordibus pio studeamus affectu, nec corporalem faciem cogitemus, cum dicit apostolus: Videmus nunc per speculum in aenigmate tunc autem facie ad faciem, praesertim quia apostolus expressius dixit: Nunc scio ex parte, tunc autem cognoscam, sicut et cognitus sum. si ergo tunc corporali deum facie cognoscemus, corporali nunc eius facie cogniti sumus; tunc enim cognoscam, inquit, sicut et cognitus sum. unde quis eum non intellegat eo loco etiam nostram faciem illam significare uoluisse, de qua dicit alio loco: Nos autem reuelata facie gloriam domini speculantes in eandem imaginem transformamur de gloria in gloriam tamquam a domini spiritu, de gloria scilicet fidei in gloriam contemplationis aeternae? hoc quippe agit haec transformatio, qua interior homo renouatur de die in diem, de quo et apostolus Petrus, cum eum moneret ornari: Non quae aforis, inquit, ornantur capillorum incrispationibus aut auro et margaritis uel ueste pretiosa, sed ille absconditus cordis homo, qui est ante deum diues. in qua enim facie uelamen habent Iudaei non transeundo ad Christum, quoniam, cum transierit quisque ad Christum, auferetur uelamen, ea nos facie reuelata in eandem imaginem transformamur. apertissime autem dicit: Velamen super corda eorum positum est. ibi est igitur facies, qua reuelata nunc in fide quamuis per speculum et in aenigmate contuemur tunc autem facie ad faciem.
But we must take care not to venture anything presumptuous, if we say that the body loses through the glory of the resurrection not only mortality and corruptibility but also its very being a body, and becomes spirit. For in that way either the substance of spirit will be doubled, if the body too is to be spirit; or, if a man’s spirit is to be one, so that when the body has been changed and turned into spirit it is neither doubled by duplication nor by increase, nor augmented at all by the addition of any quantity, it is to be feared that nothing else would seem to be said than that bodies will not remain immortal by that change, but will rather be nothing and perish altogether. Therefore, until by careful inquiry, if the Lord helps, it is found what is more probably to be thought according to the Scriptures about the spiritual body promised in the resurrection, let it suffice us meanwhile that the only-begotten Son, who is also the mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, sees the Father as he is seen by the Father. As for us, let us not try to carry this lust of the eyes over from this world to that vision of God promised to us in the resurrection, but let us strive with pious affection to cleanse our hearts; and let us not think of a bodily face when the apostle says, “We see now through a mirror in an enigma, but then face to face,” especially since the apostle said more expressly, “Now I know in part, but then I shall know even as I have been known.” If, then, we shall then know God by a bodily face, we are now known by his bodily face; for “then I shall know,” he says, “even as I have been known.” Hence who would not understand that in that place he meant our face too, of which he says in another place: “But we, with unveiled face beholding the glory of the Lord, are transformed into the same image from glory to glory, as by the Spirit of the Lord,” that is, from the glory of faith to the glory of eternal contemplation? For this is what this transformation does, by which the inner man is renewed from day to day; of whom the apostle Peter also speaks, when he urged that he be adorned: “not with outward adornment of braided hair or gold and pearls or costly clothing, but the hidden man of the heart, which is rich before God.” For in that face on which the Jews have a veil because they do not pass over to Christ (since, when anyone passes over to Christ, the veil will be taken away), we, with that face unveiled, are transformed into the same image. And he says most plainly: “A veil is laid over their hearts.” There, then, is the face with which, unveiled, we now behold in faith, though through a mirror and in an enigma, but then face to face.
1 Tim 2:5 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 John 2:16 (allusion, high confidence) · 1 Cor 13:12 (quotation, high confidence) · 2 Cor 3:18 (quotation, high confidence) · 2 Cor 4:16 (allusion, high confidence) · 1 Pet 3:3 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Pet 3:4 (quotation, high confidence) · 2 Cor 3:15 (quotation, high confidence) · 2 Cor 3:16 (allusion, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: Augustine leaves open the nature of the spiritual body but holds that 'face to face' refers to the inner face of the heart, unveiled in Christ, not a bodily face.
- 1 Tim 2:5; lust of the eyes: 1 John 2:16; 1 Cor 13:12; 2 Cor 3:18; 2 Cor 4:16; 1 Pet 3:3–4 (as quoted, with 1 Tim 2:9); the veil: 2 Cor 3:14–16. The reference to the Jews follows Paul and is translated as written.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR slip; stray character; stray letter): illam i uisionem → illam uisionem; unde quia eum non intellegat → unde quis eum non intellegat; ueste{ → ueste.
Topics: Eschatology
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 147.51 (CSEL 44:326–328; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/147-34/#p-147-51).
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