Letters 9.1–15.2

Latin text: Goldbacher, CSEL 34, 44, 57 (Latin text: Alois Goldbacher (CSEL 34, 44, 57, 1895–1911), digitized by Open Greek and Latin (csel-dev, University of Leipzig), CC BY-SA 4.0).English: Claude (claude-opus-5-5), public domain (CC0). Compare: Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers, series 1, vol. 1 (1886).

Show

Chapter 9

9.1CSEL 34.1:20

Quamquam mei animi cognitor sis, fortasse tamen ignoras, quantum uelim praesentia tua frui. uerum hoc tam magnum beneficium deus quandoque praestabit. legi recentissimam epistulam tuam, in qua de solitudine questus es et quadam desertione a familiaribus tuis, cum quibus uita dulcissima est. sed quid aliud hic tibi dicam, nisi quod te non dubito facere? confer te ad animum tuum et illum in deum leua, quantum potes. ibi enim certius habes et nos non per corporeas imagines, quibus nunc in nostra recordatione uti necesse est, sed per illam cogitationem, qua intellegis non loco esse nos simul.

Although you know my mind, perhaps you do not know how much I long to enjoy your presence. But God will grant this great benefit some day. I have read your latest letter, in which you complained of solitude and of being in a sense deserted by your intimate friends, with whom life is sweetest. But what else should I say to you here, except what I do not doubt you are doing? Withdraw into your mind and lift it up to God as far as you can. For there you possess us too more surely, not through bodily images, which we must now use in our remembering, but through that thought by which you understand that we are together, not by place.

Notes and citation

Summary: Augustine consoles Nebridius in his loneliness, telling him to turn to his own mind and to God, where friends are present without bodily images.

  • Augustine to Nebridius, answering letter 8.

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 9.1 (CSEL 34.1:20; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/9-1/#p-9-1).

BibTeX · RIS (whole work; this passage's key: sophiascriptura-augustine-epistulae-9-1) · Report an error

Translation: Translated by Claude (Opus) from the Latin of Goldbacher (CSEL 34, 44, 57; 1895–1911); each batch compared afterwards with the public-domain translation of J. G. Cunningham in NPNF¹ 1 (1886) where it exists; letters it lacks or summarizes were re-read against the Latin.

9.2CSEL 34.1:20

Epistulas tuas cum considerarem, quibus non dubium tibi quaerenti magna respondi, uehementer me illa terruit, qua percontaris, quomodo fiat, ut nobis a superioribus potestatibus uel a daemonibus et cogitationes quaedam inserantur et somnia. magna enim res est, cui tu quoque pro tua prudentia perspicis non epistula, sed aut praesenti conlocutione aut aliquo libello respondendum esse. temptabo tamen callens ingenium tuum quaedam quaestionis huius lumina praeseminare, ut aut cetera tecum ipse contexas aut posse ad rei tantae probabilem inuestigationem perueniri minime desperes.

As I was considering your letters, in which I have certainly answered great questions you asked, I was greatly alarmed by the one in which you ask how it comes about that certain thoughts and dreams are put into us by the higher powers or by demons. For it is a great matter, and you too, with your prudence, see that it must be answered not by a letter but either by conversation in person or by some book. Yet, knowing your gifts, I will try to sow beforehand some lights on this question, so that you may either weave the rest together yourself or at least not despair that a probable investigation of so great a matter can be reached.

Notes and citation

Summary: Augustine says the question how higher powers or demons put thoughts and dreams into us needs a book, but offers some hints.

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 9.2 (CSEL 34.1:20; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/9-1/#p-9-2).

BibTeX · RIS (whole work; this passage's key: sophiascriptura-augustine-epistulae-9-2) · Report an error

Translation: Translated by Claude (Opus) from the Latin of Goldbacher (CSEL 34, 44, 57; 1895–1911); each batch compared afterwards with the public-domain translation of J. G. Cunningham in NPNF¹ 1 (1886) where it exists; letters it lacks or summarizes were re-read against the Latin.

9.3CSEL 34.1:20–21

Arbitror enim omnem motum animi aliquid facere in corpore; id autem usque ad nostros exire sensus tam hebetes tamque tardos, cum sunt maiores animi motus, uelut cum irascimur aut tristes aut gaudentes sumus. ex quo licet conicere, cum etiam cogitamus aliquid neque id nobis in nostro corpore apparet, apparere tamen posse aeriis aetheriisue animantibus, quorum est sensus acerrimus et in cuius comparatione noster ne sensus quidem putandus est. igitur ea, quae, ut ita dicam, uestigia sui motus animus figit in corpore, possunt et manere et quendam quasi habitum facere; quae latenter cum agitata fuerint et contrectata, secundum agitantis et contrectantis uoluntatem ingerunt nobis cogitationes et somnia atque id fit mira facilitate. si enim nostrorum corporum terrenorum et tardissimorum excitationes agendis organis musicis seu in funiambulo ceterisque huiusce modi spectaculis innumerabilibus ad quaedam incredibilia peruenisse manifestum est, nequaquam est absurdum eos, qui aerio uel aetherio corpore aliquid in corporibus agunt, quae naturali ordine penetrant, longe maiore uti facilitate ad mouendum, quicquid uolunt, non sentientibus nobis et tamen inde aliquid perpetientibus. neque enim etiam, quomodo fellis abundantia nos ad iram crebriorem cogat, sentimus et tamen cogit, cum haec ipsa, quam dixi, abundantia facta sit irascentibus nobis.

For I think that every motion of the mind produces something in the body, and that this reaches our senses, dull and slow as they are, when the motions of the mind are greater, as when we are angry or sad or joyful. From this we may infer that, even when we think something and it does not appear to us in our body, it can nevertheless appear to living beings of air or ether, whose perception is extremely sharp, so that in comparison ours should not even be thought perception. So the traces, so to speak, of its motion which the mind fixes in the body can both remain and form a kind of habit; and when these are secretly stirred and handled, they bring thoughts and dreams to us according to the will of the one stirring and handling them; and this happens with wonderful ease. For if it is clear that the movements of our earthly and very slow bodies have achieved certain incredible feats in playing musical instruments, or in the tightrope walker and countless other spectacles of this kind, it is in no way absurd that those who act with an airy or ethereal body on bodies, which by the order of nature they penetrate, should have far greater ease in moving whatever they wish, without our perceiving it and yet with our undergoing something as a result. For neither do we perceive how an abundance of bile drives us to more frequent anger, and yet it does drive us, though this very abundance of which I spoke was produced by our being angry.

Notes and citation

Summary: Augustine suggests that motions of the mind leave traces in the body which beings of air or ether can perceive and stir, producing thoughts and dreams.

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 9.3 (CSEL 34.1:20–21; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/9-1/#p-9-3).

BibTeX · RIS (whole work; this passage's key: sophiascriptura-augustine-epistulae-9-3) · Report an error

Translation: Translated by Claude (Opus) from the Latin of Goldbacher (CSEL 34, 44, 57; 1895–1911); each batch compared afterwards with the public-domain translation of J. G. Cunningham in NPNF¹ 1 (1886) where it exists; letters it lacks or summarizes were re-read against the Latin.

9.4CSEL 34.1:21–22

Sed hoc autem si non uis simile nobis praetereunter accipere, uersa id cogitatione, quantum potes. nam si animo existat assidue aliqua difficultas agendi atque implendi, quod cupit, assidue irascitur. ira est autem, quantum mea fert opinio, turbulentus appetitus auferendi ea, quae facilitatem actionis impediunt. itaque plerumque non hominibus tantum, sed calamo irascimur in scribendo eumque conlidimus atque frangimus et aleatores tesseris et pictores penicillo et cuique instrumento quilibet, ex quo difficultatem se pati arbitratur. hac autem assiduitate irascendi fel crescere etiam medici adfirmant. cremento autem fellis rursus et facile ac prope nullis causis existentibus irascimur. ita quod suo motu animus fecit in corpore, ad eum rursus commouendum ualebit.

But if you do not want to accept this comparison of ours in passing, turn it over in your thought as much as you can. For if the mind constantly meets some difficulty in doing and accomplishing what it desires, it is constantly angry. Now anger, as far as my opinion goes, is a turbulent desire to remove the things that hinder ease of action. So very often in writing we are angry not only with people but with the pen, and crush and break it; and gamblers are angry with their dice, painters with their brush, and anyone with any instrument from which he thinks he is suffering difficulty. Physicians also affirm that bile increases through this constant anger. And with the increase of bile we again become angry easily and almost without cause. So what the mind has done in the body by its motion will have the power to move it again in turn.

Notes and citation

Summary: Augustine illustrates with anger and bile how what the mind produces in the body can in turn move the mind.

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 9.4 (CSEL 34.1:21–22; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/9-1/#p-9-4).

BibTeX · RIS (whole work; this passage's key: sophiascriptura-augustine-epistulae-9-4) · Report an error

Translation: Translated by Claude (Opus) from the Latin of Goldbacher (CSEL 34, 44, 57; 1895–1911); each batch compared afterwards with the public-domain translation of J. G. Cunningham in NPNF¹ 1 (1886) where it exists; letters it lacks or summarizes were re-read against the Latin.

9.5CSEL 34.1:22

Possunt latissime ista tractari et multis rerum testimoniis ad certiorem plenioremque perduci notitiam. sed huic epistulae adiunge illam, quam tibi nuper de imaginibus et de memoria misi, et eam diligentius pertracta; nam minus plene a te intellecta rescripto tuo mihi apparuit. huic ergo, quam nunc legis, cum adiunxeris de illa, quod ibi dictum est de naturali quadam facultate animi minuentis et augentis cogitatione quodlibet, fortasse te iam non mouebit, unde fiat, ut etiam formae corporum, quas numquam uidimus, uel cogitando apud nos uel somniando figurentur.

These things could be treated at great length and brought to more certain and fuller knowledge by many testimonies from the facts. But add to this letter the one I recently sent you about images and memory, and study it more carefully; for it seemed to me from your reply that you had understood it less than fully. So when you have added to this letter, which you are now reading, what was said there about a certain natural faculty of the mind that diminishes and increases anything in thought, perhaps it will no longer trouble you how it comes about that forms of bodies which we have never seen are pictured within us, whether in thinking or in dreaming.

Notes and citation

Summary: Augustine refers Nebridius back to his letter on images and memory to explain how we picture bodies we have never seen.

  • The earlier letter is letter 7.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR slip (y for u)): mouebit, ynde fiat → mouebit, unde fiat.

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 9.5 (CSEL 34.1:22; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/9-1/#p-9-5).

BibTeX · RIS (whole work; this passage's key: sophiascriptura-augustine-epistulae-9-5) · Report an error

Translation: Translated by Claude (Opus) from the Latin of Goldbacher (CSEL 34, 44, 57; 1895–1911); each batch compared afterwards with the public-domain translation of J. G. Cunningham in NPNF¹ 1 (1886) where it exists; letters it lacks or summarizes were re-read against the Latin.

Chapter 10

10.1CSEL 34.1:22–23

Numquam aeque quicquam tuarum inquisitionum me in cogitando tenuit aestuantem atque illud, quod recentissimis tuis litteris legi, ubi nos arguis, quod consulere neglegamus, ut una nobis uiuere liceat. magnum crimen et, nisi falsum esset, periculosissimum. sed cum perprobabilis ratio demonstrare uideatur hic nos potius quam Carthagini uel etiam in rure ex sententia posse degere, quid tecum agam, mi Nebridi, prorsus incertus sum. mittaturne ad te accommodissimum tibi uehiculum? nam basterna innoxie te uehi posse noster Lucinianus auctor est. at matrem cogito, ut quae absentiam sani non ferebat, inbecilli multo minus esse laturam. ueniamne ipse ad uos? at hic sunt, qui neque uenire mecum queant et quos deserere nefas putem. tu enim potes et apud tuam mentem suauiter habitare; hi uero ut idem possint, satagitur. eamne crebro et redeam et nunc tecum, nunc cum ipsis sim? at hoc neque simul neque ex sententia uiuere est. non enim breuis est uia, sed tanta omnino, cuius peragendae negotium saepe suscipere non sit ad optatum otium peruenisse. huc accedit infirmitas corporis, qua ego quoque, ut nosti, non ualeo, quod uolo, nisi omnino desinam quicquam plus uelle, quam non ualeo.

None of your questions has ever held me so agitated in thought as what I read in your latest letter, where you accuse us of neglecting to arrange that we may live together. A great charge, and, if it were not false, a most dangerous one. But since a very probable reason seems to show that we can live as we wish here rather than at Carthage or even in the country, I am quite uncertain what to do about you, my Nebridius. Should a carriage best suited to you be sent to you? For our Lucinianus assures me that you can travel without harm in a litter. But I think of your mother: as she could not bear your absence when you were well, she will much less bear it when you are ill. Should I come to you myself? But there are people here who cannot come with me and whom I would think it wrong to desert. For you can dwell pleasantly even within your own mind; but for them to be able to do the same, effort is still being made. Should I go and return often, and be now with you, now with them? But that is to live neither together nor as we wish. For the road is not short, but so long that to undertake the business of travelling it often would not be to reach the leisure we desire. Add to this the weakness of my body, by which I too, as you know, cannot do what I want unless I cease altogether to want more than I can.

Notes and citation

Summary: Augustine answers Nebridius's complaint that they do not live together, weighing the difficulties of travel, Nebridius's mother, and his own duties and poor health.

  • Augustine to Nebridius.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (stray dash in the digital text): otium peruenisse. - huc → otium peruenisse. huc.

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 10.1 (CSEL 34.1:22–23; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/9-1/#p-10-1).

BibTeX · RIS (whole work; this passage's key: sophiascriptura-augustine-epistulae-10-1) · Report an error

Translation: Translated by Claude (Opus) from the Latin of Goldbacher (CSEL 34, 44, 57; 1895–1911); each batch compared afterwards with the public-domain translation of J. G. Cunningham in NPNF¹ 1 (1886) where it exists; letters it lacks or summarizes were re-read against the Latin.

10.2CSEL 34.1:23–24

Profectiones ergo, quas quietas et faciles habere nequeas, per totam cogitare uitam non est hominis de illa una ultima, quae mors uocatur, cogitantis, de qua uel sola intellegis uere esse cogitandum. dedit quidem deus paucis quibusdam, quos ecclesiarum gubernatores esse uoluit, ut et illam non solum expectarent fortiter, sed alacriter etiam desiderarent et harum obeundarum labores sine ullo angore susciperent; sed neque his, qui ad huius modi administrationes temporalis honoris amore raptantur, neque rursum his, qui cum sunt priuati, negotiosam uitam appetunt, hoc tantum bonum concedi arbitror, ut inter strepitus inquietosque conuentus atque discursus cum morte familiaritatem, quam quaerimus, faciant; deificari enim utrisque in otio licebat. aut si hoc falsum est, ego sum omnium ne dicam stultissimus, certe ignauissimus, cui nisi proueniat quaedam secura cessatio, sincerum illud bonum gustare atque amare non possum. magna secessione a tumultu rerum labentium, mihi crede, opus est, ut non duritia, non audacia, non cupiditate inanis gloriae, non superstitiosa credulitate fiat in homine nihil timere. hinc enim fit illud etiam solidum gaudium nullis omnino laetitiis ulla ex particula conferendum.

To think throughout one's whole life, then, about journeys which cannot be made quietly and easily is not the part of a man who is thinking about that one last journey which is called death, the only one, as you understand, that truly deserves thought. God has indeed granted to a certain few, whom he has willed to be governors of churches, not only to await that journey bravely but even to desire it eagerly, and to take on the labours of these other journeys without any anguish. But I do not think so great a good is granted either to those who are swept into such offices by love of temporal honour, or again to those who, though private persons, seek a busy life, that amid noise and restless gatherings and running about they should achieve the familiarity with death that we seek; for both were free to become godlike in leisure. Or if this is false, I am, I will not say the most foolish, but certainly the most sluggish of all men, for unless some secure rest comes to me I cannot taste and love that pure good. Believe me, a great withdrawal from the tumult of passing things is needed so that a man may come to fear nothing, not through hardness, not through boldness, not through desire for empty glory, not through superstitious credulity. For from this comes that solid joy which cannot be compared in any part with any pleasures at all.

Notes and citation

Summary: Augustine argues that a life of constant travel and business is incompatible with the leisure needed to prepare for death and to reach a fearless joy.

  • 'To become godlike' renders deificari ('to be deified').

Topics: Church office

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 10.2 (CSEL 34.1:23–24; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/9-1/#p-10-2).

BibTeX · RIS (whole work; this passage's key: sophiascriptura-augustine-epistulae-10-2) · Report an error

Translation: Translated by Claude (Opus) from the Latin of Goldbacher (CSEL 34, 44, 57; 1895–1911); each batch compared afterwards with the public-domain translation of J. G. Cunningham in NPNF¹ 1 (1886) where it exists; letters it lacks or summarizes were re-read against the Latin.

10.3CSEL 34.1:24–25

Quod si in natura humana talis uita non cadit, cur aliquando euenit ista securitas? cur tanto euenit crebrius, quanto quisque in mentis penetralibus adorat deum? cur in actu etiam humano plerumque ista tranquillitas manet, si ex illo adyto ad agendum quisque procedat? cur interdum et cum loquimur, mortem non formidamus, cum autem non loquimur, etiam cupimus? tibi dico, non enim hoc cuilibet dicerem, tibi, inquam, dico, cuius itinera in superna bene noui, tune, cum expertus saepe sis, quam dulce uiuat, cum amori corporeo animus moritur, negabis tandem totam hominis uitam posse intrepidam fieri, ut rite sapiens nominetur? aut hanc affectionem, quam ratio nititur tibi accidisse umquam, nisi cum in intimis tuis ageris, asserere audebis? quae cum ita sint, restare unum uides, ut tu quoque in commune consulas, quo uiuamus simul. quid enim cum matre agendum sit, quam certe frater Victor non deserit, tu multo melius calles quam ego. alia scribere, ne te ab ista cogitatione auerterem, nolui.

But if such a life does not fall within human nature, why does that security sometimes come? Why does it come more often the more one worships God in the inner sanctuary of the mind? Why does that tranquillity usually remain even in human activity, if one goes out to act from that inner shrine? Why are we sometimes unafraid of death even while we are speaking, and, when we are not speaking, even desire it? I say to you (for I would not say this to just anyone), I say to you, whose journeys to the heights I know well: will you, who have often experienced how sweetly the mind lives when it dies to bodily love, deny after all that the whole of a person's life can become fearless, so that he may rightly be called wise? Or will you dare to assert that this state of mind, on which reason relies, has ever come to you except when you were occupied in your inmost self? Since this is so, you see that one thing remains: that you too take counsel for our common good, how we may live together. For what is to be done about your mother, whom your brother Victor certainly does not desert, you know much better than I. I did not want to write of other things, so as not to turn you away from this thought.

Notes and citation

Summary: Augustine appeals to Nebridius's own experience of inner peace in God and asks him to help plan how they can live together.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (stray plus sign in the digital text): agendum + sit → agendum sit.

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 10.3 (CSEL 34.1:24–25; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/9-1/#p-10-3).

BibTeX · RIS (whole work; this passage's key: sophiascriptura-augustine-epistulae-10-3) · Report an error

Translation: Translated by Claude (Opus) from the Latin of Goldbacher (CSEL 34, 44, 57; 1895–1911); each batch compared afterwards with the public-domain translation of J. G. Cunningham in NPNF¹ 1 (1886) where it exists; letters it lacks or summarizes were re-read against the Latin.

Chapter 11

11.1CSEL 34.1:25

Cum me uehementer agitaret quaestio a te dudum cum quadam etiam familiari obiurgatione proposita, quonam pacto una uiuere possemus, et de hoc solo statuissem et rescribere tibi et rescripta flagitare neque ad aliud aliquid, quod ad nostra studia pertinet, stilum auertere, donec inter nos istuc ipsum terminaretur, cito me securum fecit recentis epistulae tuae breuissima et uerissima ratio, propterea scilicet hinc non esse cogitandum, quia uel nos, cum potuerimus, ad te, uel tu, cum potueris, ad nos necessario uenturus sis. hinc ergo, ut dixi, securus effectus consideraui omnes epistulas tuas, ut uiderem, quarum responsionum debitor sim. in quibus tam multas quaestiones repperi, ut, etiam si facile dissolui possent, ipso aceruo cuiusuis ingenium otiumque superarent. tam uero difficiles sunt, ut, etiam si una earum mihi esset inposita, non dubitarem me onustissimum confiteri. hoc autem prooemium ad id ualet, ut tantisper desinas noua quaerere, donec toto aere alieno liberemur, et de solo iudicio tuo mihi rescribas. quamquam scio, quam sit aduersum me, qui tuarum diuinarum cogitationum uel tantisper particeps esse differo.

I was greatly troubled by the question you put to me some time ago, with a friendly rebuke as well, how we could live together; and I had decided to write back to you about this alone and to press you for a reply, and not to turn my pen to anything else belonging to our studies until this very matter was settled between us. But the very brief and very true argument of your latest letter quickly set me at ease: namely, that there is no need to think about it from here, because either we, when we can, will necessarily come to you, or you, when you can, to us. Set at ease on this point, then, as I said, I went over all your letters to see what answers I owe. In them I found so many questions that, even if they could be easily solved, by their very mass they would overwhelm anyone's talent and leisure. And they are so difficult that, even if only one of them were laid on me, I would not hesitate to confess myself heavily burdened. This preface serves to ask you to stop asking new questions for a while, until we are free of the whole debt, and to write back to me only your judgment. Yet I know how much against my own interest this is, since I put off sharing in your divine thoughts even for a while.

Notes and citation

Summary: Augustine, relieved by Nebridius's letter about living together, asks him to stop sending new questions until the old ones are answered.

  • Augustine to Nebridius.

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 11.1 (CSEL 34.1:25; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/9-1/#p-11-1).

BibTeX · RIS (whole work; this passage's key: sophiascriptura-augustine-epistulae-11-1) · Report an error

Translation: Translated by Claude (Opus) from the Latin of Goldbacher (CSEL 34, 44, 57; 1895–1911); each batch compared afterwards with the public-domain translation of J. G. Cunningham in NPNF¹ 1 (1886) where it exists; letters it lacks or summarizes were re-read against the Latin.

11.2CSEL 34.1:25–26

Accipe igitur, quid mihi uideatur de susceptione hominis mystica, quam propter salutem nostram factam esse religio, qua inbuti sumus, credendum cognoscendumque commendat. quam quaestionem non facillimam omnium elegi, cui potissimum responderem, sed ea mihi dignior ceteris uisa est, cui operam cogitationis inpenderem. illa namque, quae de hoc mundo quaeruntur, nec satis ad beatam uitam obtinendam mihi uidentur pertinere et, si aliquid adferunt uoluptatis, cum inuestigantur, metuendum est tamen, ne occupent tempus rebus inpendendum melioribus. quam ob rem quod ad hoc pertinet susceptum in praesentia, prius miror te esse commotum, cur non pater et filius dicatur hominem suscepisse, sed etiam spiritus sanctus. nam ista trinitas catholica fide ita inseparabilis commendatur et creditur, ita etiam a paucis sanctis beatisque intellegitur, ut, quicquid ab ea fit, simul fieri sit existimandum et a patre et a filio et ab spiritu sancto nec quicquam patrem facere, quod non et filius et spiritus sanctus faciat, nec quicquam filium, quod non et pater et spiritus sanctus, nec quicquam spiritum sanctum, quod non et pater et filius. ex quo uidetur esse consequens, ut hominem trinitas tota susceperit; nam si filius suscepit, pater autem et spiritus sanctus non susceperunt, aliquid praeter inuicem faciunt. cur ergo in mysteriis et sacris nostris hominis susceptio filio tributa celebratur? haec est plenissima quaestio ita difficilis et de re tam magna, ut nec sententia hic satis expedita nec eius probatio satis secura esse possit. audeo tamen, si quidem ad te scribo, significare potius, quid meus animus habeat, quam explicare, ut cetera pro ingenio tuo et familiaritate nostra, qua fit, ut me optime noueris, per te ipse coniectes.

Hear, then, what I think about the mystical assumption of a man, which the religion in which we have been instructed commends to us to be believed and known as done for our salvation. I chose this question to answer first, not as the easiest of all, but because it seemed to me more worthy than the others of the labour of thought. For the questions asked about this world do not seem to me to bear sufficiently on obtaining the happy life, and if they bring some pleasure when investigated, it is to be feared that they take up time that should be spent on better things. As to the matter now in hand, then, first I am surprised that you were troubled why it is not said that the Father along with the Son assumed a man, and were not troubled about the Holy Spirit as well. For this Trinity is commended and believed by the Catholic faith as so inseparable, and is also understood so by a few holy and blessed people, that whatever is done by it must be thought to be done at the same time by the Father and by the Son and by the Holy Spirit; and the Father does nothing that the Son and the Holy Spirit do not also do, nor the Son anything that the Father and the Holy Spirit do not, nor the Holy Spirit anything that the Father and the Son do not. From this it seems to follow that the whole Trinity assumed the man; for if the Son assumed him, but the Father and the Holy Spirit did not, they do something apart from one another. Why, then, in our mysteries and sacred rites is the assumption of a man celebrated as belonging to the Son? This is a very full question, so difficult and about so great a matter that neither can the answer here be clear enough nor its proof secure enough. Yet I dare, since I am writing to you, to indicate rather than unfold what my mind holds, so that you may yourself conjecture the rest, given your talent and our friendship, through which you know me very well.

Notes and citation

Summary: Augustine takes up Nebridius's question why, if the works of the Trinity are inseparable, the incarnation is attributed to the Son alone.

  • 'The assumption of a man' (susceptio hominis) is Augustine's term for the incarnation. The clause about the Father and the Holy Spirit is compressed in the Latin and is translated by sense.

Topics: Trinity, Christology

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 11.2 (CSEL 34.1:25–26; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/9-1/#p-11-2).

BibTeX · RIS (whole work; this passage's key: sophiascriptura-augustine-epistulae-11-2) · Report an error

Translation: Translated by Claude (Opus) from the Latin of Goldbacher (CSEL 34, 44, 57; 1895–1911); each batch compared afterwards with the public-domain translation of J. G. Cunningham in NPNF¹ 1 (1886) where it exists; letters it lacks or summarizes were re-read against the Latin.

11.3CSEL 34.1:26–27

Nulla natura est, Nebridi, et omnino nulla substantia, quae non in se habeat haec tria et prae se gerat: primo ut sit deinde ut hoc uel illud sit, tertio ut in eo ipso, quod est, maneat, quantum potest. primum illud causam ipsam naturae ostentat, ex qua sunt omnia; alterum speciem, per quam fabricantur et quodam modo....... formanturque omnia; tertium manentiam quandam, ut ita dicam, in qua sunt omnia. quod si fieri potest, ut aliquid sit et non hoc uel illud sit et tam diu sit atque id sit, quam diu in genere suo manet, aut hoc quidem aut illud sit, sed non sit neque in suo genere maneat, quantum potest, aut in suo genere quidem pro ipsius sui generis uiribus maneat, sed tamen nec sit neque hoc uel illud sit, fieri etiam potest, ut in illa trinitate aliqua persona praeter alias aliquid faciat. at si cernis necesse esse ut, quicquid sit, continuo et hoc uel illud sit et in suo genere maneat, quantum potest, nihil tria illa praeter inuicem faciunt. uideo adhuc partem me egisse huius quaestionis, qua fit difficilis solutio. sed breuiter tibi aperire uolui, si tamen egi, quod uolui, quam subtiliter et quanta ueritate in Catholica intellegatur huiusce inseparabilitas trinitatis.

There is no nature, Nebridius, and no substance at all, that does not have in itself and display these three things: first, that it is; second, that it is this or that; third, that it remains, as far as it can, in what it is. The first shows the very cause of nature, from which all things are; the second, the form through which all things are made and in a certain way formed; the third, a kind of abiding, so to speak, in which all things are. Now if it can happen that something is, and is not this or that, and does not remain in its kind; or that it is this or that, but is not and does not remain in its kind as far as it can; or that it remains in its kind according to the powers of that kind, but nevertheless neither is nor is this or that, then it can also happen that in that Trinity some person does something apart from the others. But if you see that whatever is must at once both be this or that and remain in its kind as far as it can, then those three do nothing apart from one another. I see that so far I have dealt with the part of this question that makes its solution difficult. But I wanted to show you briefly, if indeed I have done what I wanted, how subtly and with what truth the inseparability of this Trinity is understood in the Catholic Church.

Notes and citation

Summary: Augustine argues from the threefold structure of every being (existence, form, persistence) that the persons of the Trinity act inseparably.

  • The first of the three conditions is awkwardly phrased in the printed text and is translated by sense. A row of dots after 'quodam modo' in the digital text is passed over; the sense is complete.

Topics: Trinity

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 11.3 (CSEL 34.1:26–27; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/9-1/#p-11-3).

BibTeX · RIS (whole work; this passage's key: sophiascriptura-augustine-epistulae-11-3) · Report an error

Translation: Translated by Claude (Opus) from the Latin of Goldbacher (CSEL 34, 44, 57; 1895–1911); each batch compared afterwards with the public-domain translation of J. G. Cunningham in NPNF¹ 1 (1886) where it exists; letters it lacks or summarizes were re-read against the Latin.

11.4CSEL 34.1:27–29

Nunc accipe, quo modo possit non mouere animum illud, quod mouet. species, quae proprie filio tribuitur, ea pertinet etiam ad disciplinam et ad artem quandam, si bene hoc uocabulo in his rebus utimur, et ad intellegentiam, qua ipse animus rerum cogitatione formatur. itaque quoniam per illam susceptionem hominis id actum est, ut quaedam nobis disciplina uiuendi et exemplum praecepti sub quarundam sententiarum maiestate ac perspicuitate insinuaretur, non sine ratione hoc totum filio tribuitur. in multis enim rebus, quas cogitationi et prudentiae committo tuae, quamuis multa insint, aliquid tamen eminet et ideo sibi proprietatem quandam non absurde uindicat. uelut in illis tribus generibus quaestionum, etiam si quaeratur, an sit, ibi est et quid sit, esse enim non potest profecto, nisi aliquid sit; ibi etiam, probandum inprobandumne sit, quicquid enim est, nonnulla aestimatione dignum est; ita cum quaeritur, quid sit, necesse est, ut et sit et aliqua aestimatione pendatur; hoc modo etiam cum quaeritur, quale sit, et aliquid est utique. ita cum sibi inseparabiliter iuncta sunt omnia, nomen tamen quaestio non ex omnibus accipit, sed ut sese habuerit quaerentis intentio. ergo disciplina hominibus erat necessaria, qua inbuerentur et qua ad modum formarentur. num tamen id ipsum, quod per hanc disciplinam fit in hominibus, aut non esse possumus dicere aut non appetendum? sed scire prius intendimus, et per quod coniciamus aliquid et in quo maneamus. demonstranda igitur prius erat quaedam norma et regula disciplinae. quod factum est per illam suscepti hominis dispensationem, quae proprie filio tribuenda est, ut esset consequens et ipsius patris, id est unius principii, ex quo sunt omnia, cognitio per filium et quaedam interior et ineffabilis suauitas atque dulcedo in ista cognitione permanendi contemnendique omnia mortalia, quod donum et munus proprie spiritui sancto tribuitur. ergo cum agantur omnia summa communione et inseparabilitate, tamen distincte demonstranda erant propter inbecillitatem nostram, qui ab unitate in uarietatem lapsi sumus. nemo enim quemquam erigit ad id, in quo ipse est, nisi aliquantum ad id, in quo est ille, descendat. habes epistulam, non quae tuam curam de hac re finierit, sed quae cogitationes tuas certo fortasse aliquo fundamento inchoauerit, ut cetera ingenio, quod mihi notissimum est, persequaris et pietate, cui maxime standum est, consequaris.

Now hear how what troubles your mind need not trouble it. Form, which is properly attributed to the Son, pertains also to discipline and to a kind of art, if we use this word rightly in these matters, and to the understanding by which the mind itself is formed in thinking of things. So, since the aim of that assumption of a man was that a certain discipline of living and an example of what is commanded should be instilled in us under the majesty and clarity of certain teachings, it is not without reason that all this is attributed to the Son. For in many things, which I leave to your thought and prudence, although many things are present, something nevertheless stands out and therefore not absurdly claims a certain property for itself. So in those three kinds of questions: even if it is asked whether a thing is, there is involved also what it is, for it certainly cannot be unless it is something; and there is involved also whether it is to be approved or disapproved, for whatever is deserves some valuation. So when it is asked what a thing is, it must both be and be weighed by some valuation; in the same way also when it is asked of what sort it is, it certainly is something as well. So, though all are joined inseparably, the question takes its name not from all of them, but from the intention of the questioner. Discipline, then, was necessary for human beings, so that they might be instructed by it and formed according to a measure. Yet can we say that what is brought about in people through this discipline either does not exist or is not to be desired? But we aim first to know, both that through which we may infer something and that in which we may abide. So first a certain norm and rule of discipline had to be shown. This was done through that dispensation of the assumed man, which is to be attributed properly to the Son; so that there would follow both the knowledge of the Father himself, that is, of the one principle from which all things are, through the Son, and a certain inner and ineffable sweetness and delight in remaining in that knowledge and despising all mortal things, a gift and grace that is properly attributed to the Holy Spirit. Therefore, though all things are done in the highest communion and inseparability, they had nevertheless to be shown distinctly because of our weakness, since we have fallen from unity into variety. For no one raises anyone up to where he himself is unless he comes down somewhat to where the other is. Here you have a letter which has not ended your concern about this matter, but has perhaps begun your thoughts on some sure foundation, so that you may pursue the rest with your talent, which I know very well, and attain it by piety, on which one must above all stand.

Notes and citation

Summary: Augustine explains that the incarnation is attributed to the Son because it gave us a rule and example of life, form being proper to the Son, while the Father is known through the Son and the delight of abiding in that knowledge is the gift of the Spirit.

Topics: Trinity, Christology

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 11.4 (CSEL 34.1:27–29; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/9-1/#p-11-4).

BibTeX · RIS (whole work; this passage's key: sophiascriptura-augustine-epistulae-11-4) · Report an error

Translation: Translated by Claude (Opus) from the Latin of Goldbacher (CSEL 34, 44, 57; 1895–1911); each batch compared afterwards with the public-domain translation of J. G. Cunningham in NPNF¹ 1 (1886) where it exists; letters it lacks or summarizes were re-read against the Latin.

Chapter 12

12.1CSEL 34.1:29–30

Plures epistulas te scribis misisse, quam accepimus; sed neque tibi possum non credere neque mihi tu. tametsi enim rescribendo par esse non ualeo, tamen non minore a me diligentia seruantur litterae tuae, quam frequentantur abs te. prolixiores autem nostras non te amplius quam binas accepisse conuenit inter nos; non enim misimus tertias. sane recognitis exemplaribus animaduerti quinque fere tuis rogationibus esse responsum, nisi quod una ibi quaestio quasi transeunter perstricta, quamquam non temere ingenio tuo commissa sit, non tamen fortasse satisfecit auaritiae tuae. quam refrenes aliquantum opus est et nonnulla compendia libenter feras, ita plane ut, si quicquam fraudo intellegentiam, dum sum parcus in uerbis, nihil parcas mihi; sed tu iure, quo mihi ualentius esset forte aliquid, si quicquam posset esse iucundius, totum, quod debetur, efflagites: hanc igitur epistulam numerabis inter minores epistulas meas, quam tibi t non sibi nihil mihi de aceruo minuere. non enim et tu mittis minores, quae non eundem aceruum augeant. quare illud, quod de filio dei quaeris, cur ipse potius dicatur hominem suscepisse quam pater, cum simul uterque sit, dinosces facillime, si sermocinationum nostrarum, quibus, ut potuimus — nam ineffabile quiddam est —.......... qui sit dei filius, quo coniuncti simus, recorderis. quod ut hic breuiter adtingam, disciplina ipsa et forma dei, per quam facta sunt omnia, quae facta sunt, filius nuncupatur. quicquid autem per susceptum illum hominem gestum est, ad eruditionem informationemque nostram gestum est.

You write that you have sent more letters than we have received; but I cannot disbelieve you, nor can you disbelieve me. For although I cannot equal you in writing back, your letters are kept by me with no less care than they are sent often by you. As for our longer letters, we agree that you have received no more than two; for we did not send a third. Indeed, having gone over the copies, I noticed that about five of your questions have been answered, except that one question there was touched on in passing, as it were, and, though not rashly left to your talent, perhaps did not satisfy your avarice. You need to rein it in somewhat and gladly accept some abridgements, on the understanding that, if I cheat your understanding at all while I am sparing of words, you are not to spare me at all; but you may by right demand all that is owed … So you will count this letter among my shorter letters … For you too send no shorter letters that do not add to the same pile. Therefore, as to what you ask about the Son of God, why he rather than the Father is said to have assumed a man, though both are together, you will discern it very easily if you remember our conversations in which, as far as we could (for it is something ineffable), … who the Son of God is, to whom we are joined. To touch on it briefly here: the very discipline and form of God, through which all things that were made were made, is called the Son. And whatever was done through that assumed man was done for our instruction and formation.

Textual problem in this passage: see the notes.

John 1:3 (echo, medium confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: Augustine tells Nebridius which questions have been answered and recalls briefly why the incarnation is attributed to the Son.

  • Augustine to Nebridius; the letter survives only incompletely (NPNF omits it). Two passages are corrupt or defective in the printed text and are marked with '…': the clause 'quod mihi ualentius … efflagites' and the words 'quam tibi t non sibi nihil mihi de aceruo minuere'; and after 'ineffabile quiddam est' a verb (such as 'we discussed') is missing. 'Through which all things that were made were made' echoes John 1:3.

Topics: Christology

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 12.1 (CSEL 34.1:29–30; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/9-1/#p-12-1).

BibTeX · RIS (whole work; this passage's key: sophiascriptura-augustine-epistulae-12-1) · Report an error

Translation: Translated by Claude (Opus) from the Latin of Goldbacher (CSEL 34, 44, 57; 1895–1911); each batch compared afterwards with the public-domain translation of J. G. Cunningham in NPNF¹ 1 (1886) where it exists; letters it lacks or summarizes were re-read against the Latin.

Chapter 13

13.1CSEL 34.1:30

Usitata tibi scribere non libet, noua non licet. alterum enim uideo tibi non convenire, alterum mihi non uacare. nam ex quo abii abs te, nulla mihi opportunitas, nullum otium datum est ea, quae inter nos quaerere solemus, agitandi atque versandi. sunt quidem hiemales nimis longae noctes nec a me totae dormiuntur; sed sese obiciunt magis cogitanda, cum otium est, quae diffirmando sunt otio necessaria. quid ergo faciam? mutusne apud te, an tacitus sim? neutrum uis, neutrum uolo. quare age atque accipe, quod de me excudere potuit ultimum noctis, quam diu exequebatur, quo haec epistula scripta est.

I do not care to write you ordinary things, and I am not free to write new ones. For I see that the one does not suit you, and that for the other I have no leisure. For since I left you, no opportunity, no leisure has been given me to discuss and turn over the questions we used to investigate together. The winter nights are indeed very long, and I do not sleep through them all; but when I have leisure, other things present themselves to be thought about, things needed to make that leisure secure. What, then, shall I do? Shall I be dumb toward you, or silent? You want neither, and I want neither. So come and receive what the last part of the night was able to hammer out of me, for as long as it lasted while this letter was being written.

Notes and citation

Summary: Augustine tells Nebridius that he has had no leisure for their old questions, but sends what he worked out during the night.

  • Augustine to Nebridius. 'Diffirmando' in the printed text is obscure and is translated by sense.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (stray dash in the digital text): scripta est.- → scripta est..

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 13.1 (CSEL 34.1:30; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/9-1/#p-13-1).

BibTeX · RIS (whole work; this passage's key: sophiascriptura-augustine-epistulae-13-1) · Report an error

Translation: Translated by Claude (Opus) from the Latin of Goldbacher (CSEL 34, 44, 57; 1895–1911); each batch compared afterwards with the public-domain translation of J. G. Cunningham in NPNF¹ 1 (1886) where it exists; letters it lacks or summarizes were re-read against the Latin.

13.2CSEL 34.1:30–31

Necesse est te meminisse, quod crebro inter nos sermone iactatum est nosque iactauit anhelantes atque aestuantes, de animae scilicet ueluti perpetuo quodam corpore uel quasi corpore, quod a nonnullis etiam dici uehiculum recordaris. quam rem certe, si quidem loco mouetur, non esse intellegibilem clarum est. quicquid autem intellegibile non est, intellegi non potest. at quod intellectum fugit, si saltem sensum non fugit, aestimare inde aliquid uerisimiliter non usquequaque denegatur. quod uero neque intellegi neque sentiri potest, temerariam nimis et nugatoriam gignit opinionem. et hoc, de quo agimus, tale est, si tamen est. cur ergo, quaeso te, non nobis ad hanc quaestiunculam indicimus ferias et nos totos inprecato deo in summam serenitatem naturae summae uiuentis adtollimus?

You must remember the question often tossed about between us, which tossed us about as we panted and burned: namely, about a kind of perpetual body, or quasi-body, of the soul, which you remember some also call its vehicle. It is clear that this thing, if indeed it moves from place to place, is not intelligible. But whatever is not intelligible cannot be understood. Yet when something escapes the understanding, if at least it does not escape the senses, a probable estimate of it is not altogether ruled out. But what can be neither understood nor perceived gives rise to an opinion that is too rash and trifling. And the thing we are discussing is of this kind, if indeed it exists. Why, then, I ask you, do we not declare a holiday from this little question, and, having prayed to God, lift our whole selves to the supreme serenity of the supreme living nature?

Notes and citation

Summary: Augustine argues that the question of a subtle body or 'vehicle' of the soul cannot be settled, since it is neither intelligible nor perceptible to us.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR slip): loco moletur → loco mouetur.

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 13.2 (CSEL 34.1:30–31; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/9-1/#p-13-2).

BibTeX · RIS (whole work; this passage's key: sophiascriptura-augustine-epistulae-13-2) · Report an error

Translation: Translated by Claude (Opus) from the Latin of Goldbacher (CSEL 34, 44, 57; 1895–1911); each batch compared afterwards with the public-domain translation of J. G. Cunningham in NPNF¹ 1 (1886) where it exists; letters it lacks or summarizes were re-read against the Latin.

13.3CSEL 34.1:31

Hic forsitan dicas, quamquam corporea percipi nequeant, multa nos tamen ad corpus pertinentia intellegibiliter posse percipere, ut est, quod nouimus esse corpus. quis enim neget aut quis hoc uerisimile potius quam uerum esse fateatur? ita cum ipsum corpus uerisimile sit, esse tamen in natura tale quiddam uerissimum est. ergo corpus sensibile, esse autem corpus intellegibile iudicatur; non enim posset aliter percipi. ita nescio quid illud, de quo quaerimus, corpus, quo inniti anima, ut de loco in locum transeat, putatur, quamquam etiam si non sensibus nostris, tamen quibusdam longe uegetioribus sensibile sit, utrum tamen sit, intellegibiliter cognosci potest.

Here perhaps you may say that, though bodily things cannot be perceived by the understanding, we can nevertheless perceive intelligibly many things that pertain to body, such as our knowing that body exists. For who would deny this, or who would admit that it is probable rather than true? So, though body itself is a matter of probability, yet that there is such a thing in nature is most true. Therefore body is judged sensible, but that body exists is judged intelligible; for otherwise it could not be perceived. So that body, whatever it is, which we are asking about, on which the soul is thought to rely in passing from place to place: even if it is perceptible, not to our senses but to some far livelier ones, still whether it exists can be known intelligibly.

Notes and citation

Summary: Augustine raises the objection that the existence of a body can be known by the understanding even if the body itself is perceived only by sense.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR capital inside a sentence; OCR slip (H for u)): quam Herum esse → quam uerum esse; Uerissimum → uerissimum.

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 13.3 (CSEL 34.1:31; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/9-1/#p-13-3).

BibTeX · RIS (whole work; this passage's key: sophiascriptura-augustine-epistulae-13-3) · Report an error

Translation: Translated by Claude (Opus) from the Latin of Goldbacher (CSEL 34, 44, 57; 1895–1911); each batch compared afterwards with the public-domain translation of J. G. Cunningham in NPNF¹ 1 (1886) where it exists; letters it lacks or summarizes were re-read against the Latin.

13.4CSEL 34.1:31–32

Hoc si dices, ueniat in mentem illud, quod intellegere appellamus, duobus modis in nobis fieri: aut ipsa per se mente atque ratione intrinsecus, ut cum intellegimus esse ipsum intellectum; aut admonitione a sensibus, ut id quod iam dictum est, cum intellegimus esse corpus. in quibus duobus generibus illud primum per nos, id est de eo, quod apud nos est, deum consulendo; hoc autem secundum de eo, quod a corpore sensuque nuntiatur, nihilo minus deum consulendo intellegimus. quae si rata sunt, nemo de illo corpore, utrum sit, intellegere potest, nisi cui sensus quicquam de illo nuntiarit. in quo animantium numero, si ullus est, nos quoniam non esse perspicimus, illud etiam perfectum puto, quod supra dicere coeperam, non ad nos istam pertinere quaestionem. haec etiam atque etiam cogites velim et, quod cogitando genueris, ut nouerim cures.

If you say this, remember that what we call understanding takes place in us in two ways: either by the mind and reason itself within, as when we understand that understanding itself exists; or through a prompting from the senses, as in the case just mentioned, when we understand that body exists. Of these two kinds, we understand the first through ourselves, that is, about what is within us, by consulting God; and the second, about what is reported by the body and the senses, we understand no less by consulting God. If these things are settled, no one can understand whether that body exists unless the senses have reported something about it to him. And since we see that we are not in that class of living beings, if there is any, I think that what I began to say above is also established: that this question does not concern us. I would like you to think about these things again and again, and to make sure that I learn what your thinking has produced.

Notes and citation

Summary: Augustine concludes that, since we cannot perceive such a body, its existence cannot be known by us and the question does not concern us.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR capital inside a word; digitization slip (quotation-mark debris took the first letter)): Hoc si dices, ieniat → Hoc si dices, ueniat; ut noVerim → ut nouerim.

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 13.4 (CSEL 34.1:31–32; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/9-1/#p-13-4).

BibTeX · RIS (whole work; this passage's key: sophiascriptura-augustine-epistulae-13-4) · Report an error

Translation: Translated by Claude (Opus) from the Latin of Goldbacher (CSEL 34, 44, 57; 1895–1911); each batch compared afterwards with the public-domain translation of J. G. Cunningham in NPNF¹ 1 (1886) where it exists; letters it lacks or summarizes were re-read against the Latin.

Chapter 14

14.1CSEL 34.1:32

Recentissimis litteris tuis respondere malui, non quod contempserim praecedentia quaesita tua minusue me delectauerint, sed quod in respondendo maiora, quam opinaris, molior. quamquam enim longiorem, quam longissima est, epistulam tibi mittendam esse praescripseris, non tamen tantum habemus otii, quantum existimas et quantum nos semper optasse nosti et optamus. ne quaeras, cur ita sit; illa enim facilius, quibus impedior, quam cur impediar, exposuerim.

I have preferred to answer your latest letter, not because I despised your earlier questions or because they delighted me less, but because in answering them I am attempting greater things than you suppose. For although you have prescribed that I should send you a letter longer than the longest, we do not have as much leisure as you think, and as you know we have always wished for and still wish for. Do not ask why this is so; for I could more easily explain the things that hinder me than why I am hindered.

Notes and citation

Summary: Augustine tells Nebridius that he is answering his latest letter first, since he lacks the leisure for a long reply to the earlier ones.

  • Augustine to Nebridius.

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 14.1 (CSEL 34.1:32; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/9-1/#p-14-1).

BibTeX · RIS (whole work; this passage's key: sophiascriptura-augustine-epistulae-14-1) · Report an error

Translation: Translated by Claude (Opus) from the Latin of Goldbacher (CSEL 34, 44, 57; 1895–1911); each batch compared afterwards with the public-domain translation of J. G. Cunningham in NPNF¹ 1 (1886) where it exists; letters it lacks or summarizes were re-read against the Latin.

14.2CSEL 34.1:32–33

Scribis, cur ego et tu, cum simus singuli, eadem multa faciamus, sol autem non idem faciat quod cetera sidera cuius rei causam conarer. nam si eadem nos agimus, multa et ille cum ceteris agit; si non ille, nec nos. ambulo et ambulas, mouetur et mouentur; uigilo et uigilas, lucet et lucent; disputo et disputas, circuit et circumeunt. tametsi actus animi nullo modo est his, quae uidemus, comparandus. si autem animum, ita ut aequum est, animo conferas, magis idem uel cogitare uel contemplari uel si quid aliud commodius dicitur, si ullus eis inest animus, sidera quam homines consideranda sunt. ceterum in corporum motibus si, ut soles, diligenter adtendas, nihil omnino a duobus idem fieri potest. an tu, cum deambulamus simul, satis idem nos agere existimas? absit a prudentia tua. septentrioni namque uicinior nostrum qui deambulat, aut alterum pari motu antecedat aut tardius ingrediatur necesse est; neutrum tamen sentiri potest. sed tu, ni fallor, quid intellegamus, non quid sentiamus, expectas. quod si ab axe in meridiem tendamus, coniuncti nobis atque inhaerentes, quantum ualemus, innitamurque marmori leui et aequali uel etiam ebori, tam non potest esse amborum idem motus quam uenae pulsus, quam forma, quam facies. remoue nos et pone Glauciam prolem, nihil egeris. quippe his etiam simillimis geminis tanta est necessitas, ut proprie moueantur, quanta fuit, ut singuli nascerentur.

You write asking why you and I, though each of us is a single individual, do many of the same things, while the sun does not do the same as the other stars; and I am to attempt the cause of this. Now if we do the same things, the sun too does many things along with the others; if it does not, neither do we. I walk and you walk; it moves and they move. I am awake and you are awake; it shines and they shine. I discuss and you discuss; it goes round and they go round. And yet the action of the mind is in no way to be compared with these things that we see. But if you compare mind with mind, as is fair, the stars, if they have any mind in them, should be considered more alike than human beings in thinking or contemplating, or whatever else may be said more suitably. Moreover, in the movements of bodies, if you attend carefully, as you are accustomed to do, nothing at all can be done identically by two. Or do you think that when we walk together we are really doing the same thing? Far be that from your prudence. For whichever of us walks nearer the north must either get ahead of the other with an equal motion or step more slowly; yet neither can be perceived. But you, unless I am mistaken, are waiting to hear what we understand, not what we perceive. Now if we headed from the pole toward the south, joined to each other and clinging together as tightly as we can, and pressed on smooth, level marble or even ivory, the motion of the two of us could no more be the same than the beat of our pulses, our shape, or our face. Remove us and put in the offspring of Glaucia; you will have achieved nothing. For even for these most similar twins, it is as necessary that each be moved in his own way as it was that each be born as an individual.

Notes and citation

Summary: Augustine answers Nebridius that the sun shares many actions with the stars, and that no two bodies, not even twins walking together, can ever perform exactly the same movement.

  • 'The offspring of Glaucia': a pair of proverbially identical twins.

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 14.2 (CSEL 34.1:32–33; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/9-1/#p-14-2).

BibTeX · RIS (whole work; this passage's key: sophiascriptura-augustine-epistulae-14-2) · Report an error

Translation: Translated by Claude (Opus) from the Latin of Goldbacher (CSEL 34, 44, 57; 1895–1911); each batch compared afterwards with the public-domain translation of J. G. Cunningham in NPNF¹ 1 (1886) where it exists; letters it lacks or summarizes were re-read against the Latin.

14.3CSEL 34.1:33–34

At enim hoc, inquies, rationi tantum; quod autem sol ab astris differt, sensibus etiam clarum atque manifestum est. si magnitudinem me cogis dispicere, nosti de interuallis quam multa dicantur et ad quantum incertum perspicuitas ista reuocetur. sed ut concedam ita esse, ut apparet, sic enim et credo, cuius tandem et sensum fefellit illa proceritas Naeuii pede longioris, quam qui est sex longissimus? cui te credo nimium quaesisse hominem aequalem et, cum minime repperisses, usque in eius formam nostram epistulam tendere uoluisse. quare cum in terris quoque tale aliquid existat, nihil de caelo puto esse mirandum. si autem te monet, quod praeter solem nullius sideris lumen implet diem, quis, quaeso te, hominibus tantus apparuit quantus homo ille, quem deus suscepit longe aliter quam ceteros sanctos atque sapientes? quem si cum aliis hominibus conferas, maiore distantia continentur quam conlatione solis cetera sidera. quam sane similitudinem diligenter intuere. fieri enim potest mente, qua excellis, ut quandam quaestionem de homine Christo a te propositam transeuntes dissoluerimus.

'But,' you will say, 'this is only for reason; that the sun differs from the stars is clear and manifest even to the senses.' If you compel me to examine its size, you know how much is said about distances and to what uncertainty that apparent clarity is reduced. But granting that it is as it appears (and so I believe), whose senses, pray, did the tallness of Naevius ever escape, a foot taller than the tallest six-foot man? I believe you looked too hard for a man to match him, and when you could not find one, you wanted to stretch our letter to his length. So, since something like this exists on earth also, I think there is nothing to wonder at in the sky. But if it strikes you that the light of no star but the sun fills the day, who, I ask you, has appeared to human beings as great as that man whom God assumed, far otherwise than the other saints and wise men? If you compare him with other men, he is separated from them by a greater distance than the other stars when compared with the sun. Look carefully at this comparison. For it may be, with the mind in which you excel, that in passing we have solved a question you proposed about the man Christ.

Notes and citation

Summary: Augustine compares the sun's unique brightness among the stars with the unique greatness of the man Christ, whom God assumed in a way unlike any other saint.

  • Naevius: apparently a man of extraordinary height known to both correspondents.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (stray mark at the start of the section in the digital text): ! At enim → At enim.

Topics: Christology

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 14.3 (CSEL 34.1:33–34; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/9-1/#p-14-3).

BibTeX · RIS (whole work; this passage's key: sophiascriptura-augustine-epistulae-14-3) · Report an error

Translation: Translated by Claude (Opus) from the Latin of Goldbacher (CSEL 34, 44, 57; 1895–1911); each batch compared afterwards with the public-domain translation of J. G. Cunningham in NPNF¹ 1 (1886) where it exists; letters it lacks or summarizes were re-read against the Latin.

14.4CSEL 34.1:34–35

Item quaeris, utrum summa illa ueritas et summa sapientia, forma rerum, per quam facta sunt omnia, quem filium dei unicum sacra nostra profitentur, generaliter hominis, an etiam uniuscuiusque nostrum rationem contineat. magna quaestio. sed mihi uidetur, quod ad hominem faciendum adtinet, hominis quidem tantum, non meam uel tuam ibi esse rationem; quod autem ad orbem temporis, uarias hominum rationes in illa sinceritate uiuere. uerum hoc cum obscurissimum sit, qua similitudine inlustrari possit, ignoro, nisi forte ad artes illas, quae insunt animo nostro, confugiendum est. nam in disciplina metiendi una est anguli ratio, una quadrati. itaque quotiens demonstrare angulum uolo, non nisi una ratio anguli mihi occurrit; sed quadratum nequaquam scriberem, nisi quattuor simul angulorum rationem intuerer. ita quilibet homo una ratione, qua homo intellegitur, factus est; at ut populus fiat, quamuis et ipsa una ratio, non tamen hominis ratio, sed hominum. si igitur pars huius uniuersi est Nebridius, sicut est, et omne uniuersum partibus confit, non potuit uniuersi conditor deus rationem partium non habere. quam ob rem quod plurimorum hominum ibi ratio est, non ad ipsum hominem pertinet, quamquam miris rursum modis ad unum omnia redigantur. sed tu id commodius cogitabis. his contentus sis interim peto, quamquam iam excesserim Naeuium.

You also ask whether that supreme truth and supreme wisdom, the form of things, through which all things were made, whom our sacred rites confess as the only Son of God, contains the idea of man in general, or also of each one of us. A great question. But it seems to me that, as far as the making of man is concerned, the idea there is of man only, not of me or of you; but as far as the cycle of time is concerned, the various ideas of men live in that purity. But since this is very obscure, I do not know by what comparison it could be illustrated, unless perhaps we must take refuge in those arts which are present in our mind. For in the science of measurement there is one idea of an angle and one of a square. So whenever I want to show an angle, only one idea, that of an angle, comes to me; but I could never draw a square without looking at the idea of four angles together. So each man has been made by the one idea by which man is understood; but for a people to be made, although that too is one idea, it is not the idea of man but of men. If, then, Nebridius is a part of this universe, as he is, and every universe is made up of parts, God the founder of the universe could not fail to have the idea of the parts. Therefore, that the idea of very many men is there does not pertain to man as such, although in wonderful ways all things are again brought back to one. But you will think about this better. I ask you to be content with this meanwhile, although I have already outrun Naevius.

John 1:3 (echo, medium confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: Augustine suggests that the divine Wisdom, the Son, contains the idea of man in general for creation and the ideas of individual men in the order of time, as a square requires the idea of four angles.

  • 'I have already outrun Naevius': the letter is now longer than Naevius was tall (see 14.3). 'Through which all things were made' echoes John 1:3.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR slip): sinceritaie → sinceritate.

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 14.4 (CSEL 34.1:34–35; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/9-1/#p-14-4).

BibTeX · RIS (whole work; this passage's key: sophiascriptura-augustine-epistulae-14-4) · Report an error

Translation: Translated by Claude (Opus) from the Latin of Goldbacher (CSEL 34, 44, 57; 1895–1911); each batch compared afterwards with the public-domain translation of J. G. Cunningham in NPNF¹ 1 (1886) where it exists; letters it lacks or summarizes were re-read against the Latin.

Chapter 15

15.1CSEL 34.1:35–36

Non haec epistula sic inopiam chartae indicat, ut membranas saltem abundare testetur? tabellas eburneas, quas habeo, auunculo tuo cum litteris misi. tu enim huic pelliculae facilius ignosces, quia differri non potuit, quod ei scripsi, et tibi non scribere etiam ineptissimum existimaui. sed tabellas, si quae ibi nostrae sunt, propter huius modi necessitates mittas peto. scripsi quiddam de catholica religione, quantum dominus dare dignatus est, quod tibi uolo ante aduentum meum mittere, si charta interim non desit. tolerabis enim qualemcumque scripturam ex officina Maiorini. de codicibus praeter libros de Oratore totum mihi excidit. sed nihil amplius rescribere potui, quam ut ipse sumeres, quos liberet, et nunc in eadem maneo sententia. absens enim quid plus faciam, non inuenio.

Does this letter not show a shortage of paper in such a way as to testify at least that parchment is plentiful? The ivory tablets I have I sent with a letter to your uncle. You will more easily forgive this bit of skin, because what I wrote to him could not be put off, and I thought it most improper not to write to you as well. But please send any tablets of ours that are there, for necessities of this kind. I have written something about the Catholic religion, as far as the Lord has deigned to grant, which I want to send you before I come, if paper does not run short meanwhile. For you will put up with any sort of writing from Majorinus's workshop. As for the books, apart from the books On the Orator, it has all slipped my mind. But I could write back nothing more than that you should take whichever you liked yourself, and I remain of the same view now. For, being absent, I do not see what more I can do.

Notes and citation

Summary: Augustine writes to Romanianus on parchment for lack of paper, mentions a work he has written on the Catholic religion, and leaves him free to take the books he wants.

  • Addressed to Romanianus. The work on the Catholic religion is probably On True Religion. Majorinus is apparently the copyist or scriptorium that produced Augustine's copies.

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 15.1 (CSEL 34.1:35–36; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/9-1/#p-15-1).

BibTeX · RIS (whole work; this passage's key: sophiascriptura-augustine-epistulae-15-1) · Report an error

Translation: Translated by Claude (Opus) from the Latin of Goldbacher (CSEL 34, 44, 57; 1895–1911); each batch compared afterwards with the public-domain translation of J. G. Cunningham in NPNF¹ 1 (1886) where it exists; letters it lacks or summarizes were re-read against the Latin.

15.2CSEL 34.1:36–37

Gratissimum mihi est, quod in ultima epistula me participem domestici tui gaudii facere uoluisti. sed Mene salis placidi uultum fluctusque quietos ignorare iubes? quamquam nec me iubeas nec ipse ignores. quare si ad melius cogitandum quies aliqua data est, utere diuino beneficio. nec enim nobis debemus, cum ista proueniunt, sed illis, per quos proueniunt, gratulari, quoniam iusta et officiosa et pro suo genere pacatior atque tranquillior rerum temporalium administratio recipiendorum aeternorum meritum gignit, si non teneat, cum tenetur, non implicet, cum multiplicatur, si non, cum......... putatur, inuoluat. ipsius enim ueritatis ore dictum est: Si in alieno fideles non fuistis, uestrum quis dabit uobis? laxatis ergo curis mutabilium rerum bona stabilia et certa quaeramus, superuolemus terrenis opibus nostris. nam et in mellis copia non frustra pennas habet apicula; necat enim haerentem.

I am most grateful that in your last letter you wished to make me a sharer in your joy at home. But 'do you bid me be ignorant of the face of the calm sea and the quiet waves?' Though you do not bid me, nor are you yourself ignorant of them. So if some quiet has been given you for better thinking, make use of the divine gift. For when such things come, we should congratulate not ourselves but those through whom they come, since a just and dutiful administration of temporal things, more peaceful and tranquil for its kind, earns the receiving of eternal things, if it does not hold fast when it is held, does not entangle when it is multiplied, does not, when … is thought, wrap us up. For it was said by the mouth of Truth itself: 'If you have not been faithful in what belongs to another, who will give you what is yours?' So let us loosen our cares for changeable things and seek goods that are stable and certain; let us fly above our earthly wealth. For it is not for nothing that the bee has wings amid an abundance of honey; for honey kills the bee that sticks in it.

Luke 16:12 (quotation, high confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: Augustine warns Romanianus not to trust his present prosperity and urges him to use temporal goods faithfully while seeking eternal ones.

  • The verse is Virgil, Aeneid 5.848–849 (Palinurus). A word is missing in the printed text before 'putatur' (marked '…'). 'Truth itself': Christ, quoting Luke 16:12.

Extrabiblical texts: Virgil, Aen. 5.848–849 (Virgil; quotation)

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 15.2 (CSEL 34.1:36–37; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/9-1/#p-15-2).

BibTeX · RIS (whole work; this passage's key: sophiascriptura-augustine-epistulae-15-2) · Report an error

Translation: Translated by Claude (Opus) from the Latin of Goldbacher (CSEL 34, 44, 57; 1895–1911); each batch compared afterwards with the public-domain translation of J. G. Cunningham in NPNF¹ 1 (1886) where it exists; letters it lacks or summarizes were re-read against the Latin.