On the Soul and Its Origin 1.1–1.17

Latin text: Urba–Zycha, CSEL 60 (Latin text: Urba–Zycha, De natura et origine animae (CSEL 60), digitized by Open Greek and Latin (csel-dev, University of Leipzig), CC BY-SA 4.0).English: Claude (claude-opus-5-5), public domain (CC0). Compare: Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers, series 1, vol. 5 (1887), "A Treatise on the Soul and its Origin.".

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Chapter 1

1.1CSEL 60:303–304

Sinceritatem tuam erga nos, Renate frater carissime, et fraternam beniuolentiam ac mutuae dilectionis affectum probatum quidem et antea tenebamus, uerum nunc probatiorem nobis amica diligentia diligentia, quod mihi duos libros eius quidem hominis, quem penitus ignorabam. nec tamen ideo contemnendi, Vincentii Victoris — sic enim praenotatum ibi nomen eius inueni — proxime praeterita aestate misisti, quamuis mihi eo quod absens fuissem in autumni fine sint redditi. quomodo enim tu carissimus meus posses uel deberes in meam non perferre notitiam, cum in manus tuas uenissent cuiuslibet hominis qualescumque litterae licet ad alium scribentis, ubi tamen nomen commemoraretur et legeretur meum, ita ut contradiceretur uerbis meis quae in quibusdam opusculis edidissem? hoc itaque fecisti, quod sincerissimus et dilectissimus amicus meus facere debuisti.

Your sincerity toward us, dearest brother Renatus, and your brotherly goodwill and the affection of our mutual love, we already held as proven before; but now your friendly care has proved them still more to us, in that last summer you sent me two books of a man who was wholly unknown to me, though not for that reason to be despised, Vincentius Victor (for that is the name I found written at their head), although, because I had been away, they were delivered to me only at the end of autumn. For how could you, my dearest friend, or how ought you to fail to bring to my knowledge any writing of any man whatever, even though he was writing to someone else, once it had come into your hands, when my name was mentioned and read in it, so that words of mine which I had published in certain small works were contradicted? You have therefore done what you, my most sincere and most beloved friend, ought to have done.

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Summary: Augustine thanks Renatus for sending him the two books of Vincentius Victor that criticize his writings.

  • The digital text repeats “diligentia diligentia” and has no main verb in the first sentence (a verb such as “reddidisti”, “you have made”, appears to have been lost); translated by sense.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR: ucl for uel): posses ucl deberes → posses uel deberes.

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Nat. orig. 1.1 (CSEL 60:303–304; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-natura-origine-animae/1-1/#p-1-1). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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1.2CSEL 60:304–305

Sed hinc angor paululum, quod adhuc tuae sanctitati minus quam uellem cognitus sum, quando quidem putasti me sic accepturum, quasi tu mihi iniuriam feceris notum faciendo quod alius fecit. quantum autem hoc absit ab animo meo, uide, ut ne ab illo quidem me passum iniuriam conquerar. cum enim aliter quaedam quam ego saperet, numquidnam debuit reticere? unde mihi gratum esse debet, quod ita non tacuit, ut id etiam legere possimus. debuisse quis dixerit eum scribere potius ad me quam ad alterum de me; sed quod mihi esset ignotus, non est ausus se mihi ingerere in meorum refutatione dictorum. nec consulendum me putauit, ubi sibi uidetur minime dubitandam, sed plane cognitam et certam tenere sententiam. obtemperauit autem amico suo, a quo se, ut scriberet, dicit esse conpulsum. et si quid inter disputandum, quod in meam contumeliam redundaret, expressit, non eum conuiciantis uoluntate crediderim, sed diuersa sentientis necessitate fecisse. ubi enim mihi animus erga me hominis ignotus est et incertus, melius arbitror meliora sentire quam inexplorata culpare. fortassis enim amore mei fecit sciens ad me peruenire posse quod scripsit, dum in eis rebus errare me non uult, in quibus se potius errare non putat. et ideo debeo etiam eius habere gratam beniuolentiam, cuius me necesse est inprobare sententiam. ac per hoc in eis quae non recte sapit adhuc leniter corrigendus mihi uidetur, non aspere detestandus, praesertim quia, sicut audio, nuper catholicus factus est, quod ei gratulandum est. caruit enim Donatistarum uel potius Rogatistarum diuisione et errore, quo antea tenebatur, si tamen catholicam ueritatem sicut oportet intellegat, ut uere de illius conuersione gaudeamus.

But this grieves me a little: that I am still less known to your holiness than I should wish, since you thought I would take it as though you had done me an injury by making known what another had done. How far this is from my mind, see: I do not complain that I have suffered an injury even from him. For since he held certain views different from mine, ought he to have kept silent? So I ought to be grateful that he did not keep silent, and in such a way that we can even read it. Someone might say that he ought to have written to me rather than to another about me; but since I was unknown to him, he did not dare to thrust himself upon me in refuting what I had said. Nor did he think I needed to be consulted on a matter in which he believes he holds an opinion not at all to be doubted, but plainly known and certain. He obeyed, moreover, a friend of his, by whom he says he was compelled to write. And if in the course of the argument he expressed anything that would reflect insult on me, I would believe that he did it not with the will of one who reviles, but from the necessity of one who thinks differently. For where a man’s mind toward me is unknown and uncertain, I judge it better to think the better of him than to blame what has not been examined. Perhaps he did it out of love for me, knowing that what he wrote could reach me, since he does not want me to err in matters in which he thinks it is rather he who does not err. And so I ought even to be grateful for the goodwill of a man whose opinion I must reject. For this reason, in the things in which he thinks wrongly, he seems to me as yet to be corrected gently, not harshly abhorred, especially since, as I hear, he has lately become a catholic, on which he is to be congratulated. For he has left the division and error of the Donatists, or rather the Rogatists, by which he was formerly held—provided that he understands catholic truth as he ought, so that we may truly rejoice at his conversion.

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Summary: Augustine takes no offence at Victor’s criticism, excuses his motives, and says the recent convert from the Rogatists should be corrected gently.

  • The Rogatists were a small Mauretanian splinter group of the Donatists.

Topics: Heresy

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Nat. orig. 1.2 (CSEL 60:304–305; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-natura-origine-animae/1-1/#p-1-2). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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1.3CSEL 60:305

Habet enim eloquium, quo possit explicare quae sentit. unde cum illo agendum est eique optandum, ut recta sentiat. ne faciat esse delectabilia, quae sunt inutilia et quae diserta dixerit uera dixisse uideatur; quamuis et in ipso eloquio habeat multa emendanda et a nimia exundantia reprimenda, quod in illo tibi quoque ut uiro graui, sicut tua indicant scripta, displicuit. sed hoc uel facile corrigitur uel sine detrimento fidei a lenibus mentibus amatur, toleratur a grauibus; habemus enim iam quosdam spumeos in sermone, sed in fide sanos. non itaque desperandum est etiam hoc in isto, quamuis sit tolerabile, si permanserit posse tamen expurgari et temperari atque ad integrum et solidum uel perduci uel reuocari modum. praesertim quia iuuenis esse perhibetur, ut quod minus habet peritia suppleat diligentia et quod cruditas loquacitatis eructat, aetatis maturitas decoquat. illud molestum est et periculosum uel perniciosum, si, cum laudatur eloquentia persuadeatur insipientia et in pretioso poculo bibatur pestifera potio.

For he has eloquence by which he can set out what he thinks. So we must deal with him and pray for him that he may think rightly, so that he may not make useless things delightful, nor seem to have spoken truly what he has spoken eloquently—although even in his eloquence itself he has much to amend and to restrain from excessive overflow, which displeased you too in him, as a serious man, as your own writings show. But this is either easily corrected or, without harm to the faith, is loved by light minds and tolerated by serious ones; for we already have some who are frothy in speech but sound in faith. So we need not despair that even this in him, although it would be tolerable if it remained, can nevertheless be purged and tempered and either brought or recalled to a sound and solid measure; especially since he is said to be young, so that diligence may supply what experience lacks, and the maturity of age may boil down what the rawness of talkativeness belches out. What is troublesome and dangerous, or rather pernicious, is if, while eloquence is praised, folly is instilled, and a pestilent drink is drunk from a precious cup.

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Summary: Victor is eloquent but verbose and young; the danger is that his eloquence may make error attractive.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR: e for c; OCR: n for u; stray bracket; stray full stop inside the sentence; stray letter at the start of the section): I Habet enim → Habet enim; toleratur a granibus → toleratur a grauibus; eructat. aetatis → eructat, aetatis; deeoquat → decoquat; uel] perniciosum → uel perniciosum.

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Nat. orig. 1.3 (CSEL 60:305; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-natura-origine-animae/1-1/#p-1-3). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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1.4CSEL 60:305–306

Vt enim iam incipiam demonstrare, quae praecipue sint in eius disputatione uitanda, animam dicit a deo quidem factam nec dei esse partem siue naturam, quod omnino uerum est. sed cum eam non uult ex nihilo factam fateri et aliam nullam creaturam unde sit facta commemorat atque ita illi dat auctorem deum, ut neque ex nullis exstantibus, id est ex nihilo, neque ex aliqua re, quae non est quod deus est. sed de se ipso eam fecisse credatur, nescit eo se reuolui, quod declinasse se putat, ut scilicet nihil aliud anima quam dei natura sit ac sic consequenter et de dei natura fiat aliquid ab eodem deo, cui faciendo materia, de qua facit, sit ipse qui facit, ac per hoc et dei sit natura mutabilis et mutata in deterius eiusdem ipsius dei ab eodem ipso deo natura damnetur. quod pro tua fideli intellegentia quam non sit opinandum et quam sit a corde catholico secludendum longeque fugiendum uides. ita quippe anima uel de flatu facta uel dei flatus factus est ipsa, ut non de ipso sit, sed ab ipso de nihilo creata sit. neque enim sicut homo, quando sufflat, non potest de nihilo flatum facere, sed quem de isto aere ducit, hunc reddit, ita deo putandum est auras aliquas circumfusas iam fuisse, quarum exiguam quandam particulam spirando traheret et respirando refunderet, quando in hominis faciem sufflauit eique illo modo animam fecit. quod et si ita esset, nec sic de ipso, sed de subiacenti re aliqua flabili posset esse quod flauit. sed absit, ut negemus omnipotentem de nihilo flatum uitae facere potuisse, quo fieret homo in animam uiuam. atque in eas contrudamur angustias, ut uel iam fuisse aliquid, quod ipse non esset, unde flatum faceret, opinemur uel quod mutabile factum uidemus de se ipso eum fecisse credamus. quod enim de ipso est, necesse est ut eiusdem naturae sit, cuius ipse est, ac per hoc etiam inmutabile sit; anima uero, quod omnes fatentur, mutabilis est: non ergo de ipso, quia non est inmutabilis sicut ipse. si autem de nulla alia re facta est, de nihilo facta est procul dubio, sed ab ipso.

To begin now to show what above all is to be avoided in his argument: he says that the soul was indeed made by God and is not a part or nature of God, which is entirely true. But since he will not admit that it was made from nothing, and mentions no other creature from which it was made, and so gives it God as its author in such a way that God is believed to have made it neither from things non-existent, that is, from nothing, nor from anything that is not what God is, but from himself, he does not realize that he is turning back to the very thing he thinks he has avoided: namely, that the soul is nothing other than the nature of God, and consequently that something is made out of the nature of God by the same God, the material from which he makes it being the very one who makes it; and so that the nature of God is changeable, and that the nature of this same God, when changed for the worse, is condemned by this same God. How far this is from being something to be held, and how it must be shut out of a catholic heart and fled far away, you see by your faithful understanding. For the soul was either made from the breath or was itself made the breath of God in such a way that it is not from him, but created by him from nothing. For we must not think of God as we think of a man, who, when he blows, cannot make breath from nothing but gives back what he draws from this air—as if some breezes were already spread around God, a tiny particle of which he drew in by breathing and poured out by breathing back when he breathed into the man’s face and so made a soul for him. Even if that were so, what he breathed would not be from himself even then, but from some underlying breathable thing. But far be it from us to deny that the Almighty could make from nothing the breath of life by which man became a living soul, and to be pushed into such straits that we either suppose there already was something which he himself was not, from which he made the breath, or believe that he made from himself what we see was made changeable. For what is from him must be of the same nature as he is, and therefore also unchangeable; but the soul, as all admit, is changeable: therefore it is not from him, because it is not unchangeable as he is. And if it was made from no other thing, then it was undoubtedly made from nothing, but by him.

Gen 2:7 (allusion, high confidence)

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Summary: Augustine argues that if the soul is made from God himself, it would be God’s changeable nature; it was made by God from nothing.

  • The breathing refers to Gen 2:7.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR: c for e; OCR: dc for de; OCR: n for u): partem sine naturam → partem siue naturam; quod dens est → quod deus est; longcque → longeque; isto acre ducit → isto aere ducit; nec sic dc ipso → nec sic de ipso; omnipotentem dc nihilo → omnipotentem de nihilo; uidemus dc se ipso → uidemus de se ipso.

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Nat. orig. 1.4 (CSEL 60:305–306; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-natura-origine-animae/1-1/#p-1-4). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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1.5CSEL 60:306–307

Quod uero eam non spiritum, sed corpus esse contendit, quid aliud uult efficere quam nos non ex anima et corpore, sed ex duobus uel etiam tribus constare corporibus? cum enim spiritu, anima et corpore constare nos dicit et omnia haec tria corpora esse asserit, profecto ex tribus corporibus nos putat esse conpactos. in qua opinione quanta eum sequatur absurditas, illi potius quam tibi demonstrandum puto. uerum iste tolerabilis error est hominis, qui nondum cognouit esse aliquid, quod cum corpus non sit corporis tamen quandam similitudinem gerere possit.

And as for his contending that the soul is not a spirit but a body, what else does he wish to bring about than that we consist not of soul and body but of two, or even three, bodies? For when he says that we consist of spirit, soul, and body, and asserts that all three are bodies, he certainly thinks we are compacted of three bodies. How great an absurdity follows him in this opinion I think should be shown to him rather than to you. But this is a tolerable error in a man who has not yet learned that there is something which, though it is not a body, can yet bear a certain likeness of a body.

1 Thess 5:23 (echo, low confidence)

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Summary: Victor’s view that soul and spirit are bodies would make man three bodies, a tolerable error of one who does not know incorporeal likenesses of bodies.

  • The triad spirit, soul, and body echoes 1 Thess 5:23.

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Nat. orig. 1.5 (CSEL 60:306–307; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-natura-origine-animae/1-1/#p-1-5). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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1.6CSEL 60:307–308

Illud plane quis ferat, quod in secundo libro, cum quaestionem difficillimam soluere conaretur de originali peccato, quatenus ad corpus animamque pertineat, si anima non de parentibus trahitur, sed a deo noua insufflatur, hanc ergo tam molestam et tam profundam enitens enodare quaestionem: merito, inquit, per carnem priscam reparat habitudinem, quam uisa fuerat paulisper amisisse per carnem, ut per eam incipiat renasci, per quam meruerat inquinari. cernis nempe hominem ausum suscipere quod uires eius excedit in tam immane praecipitium decidisse, ut diceret inquinari animam meruisse per carnem, cum dicere nullo modo possit, unde hoc meritum traxerit ante carnem. si enim a carne incipit meritum habere peccati, dicat, si potest, unde ante peccatum suum carne meruerit inquinari. nam hoc meritum, quo in carnem peccatricem missa est, ut inquinaretur ex illa, profecto aut ex semet ipsa habuit aut — quod a uero multo amplius abhorret — ex deo. ex carne quippe meritum non potuit habere ante carnem, quo merito inquinanda mitteretur in carnem. si ergo a semet ipsa hoc meritum habuit, quomodo habuit, quae ante carnem nihil mali fecit? si autem hoc meritum ex deo dicitur habuisse, quis hoc audiat, quis ferat, quis dici inpune permittat? non enim hoc loco quaeritur, quid meruerit, ut iudicaretur damnanda post carnem. sed quid meruerit ante carnem ita damnari, ut inquinanda mitteretur in carnem. explicet hoc, si potest, qui est ausus dicere inquinari animam meruisse per carnem.

But who could bear what he says in his second book, when he was trying to solve the most difficult question about original sin—how far it concerns body and soul, if the soul is not derived from the parents but is newly breathed in by God? Straining to untie this so troublesome and so deep question, he says: “Deservedly it regains through the flesh the ancient condition which it had seemed to lose for a little while through the flesh, so that it begins to be reborn through that by which it had deserved to be defiled.” You see, surely, that the man, daring to undertake what exceeds his strength, has fallen into so enormous a precipice that he said the soul deserved to be defiled through the flesh, when he can in no way say whence it drew this desert before the flesh. For if it begins to have the desert of sin from the flesh, let him say, if he can, whence before its own sin it deserved to be defiled by the flesh. For this desert, by which it was sent into sinful flesh to be defiled by it, it certainly had either from itself or—which is much further from the truth—from God. From the flesh it could not have, before the flesh, a desert for which it was sent into the flesh to be defiled. If, then, it had this desert from itself, how did it have it, when before the flesh it had done no evil? But if it is said to have had this desert from God, who would listen to that, who would bear it, who would let it be said with impunity? For the question here is not what it deserved so as to be judged worthy of condemnation after the flesh, but what it deserved before the flesh so as to be condemned to be sent into the flesh to be defiled. Let him explain this, if he can, who dared to say that the soul deserved to be defiled through the flesh.

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Summary: Victor’s claim that the soul “deserved to be defiled through the flesh” cannot say what the soul deserved before it had flesh.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR: e for c; OCR: transposed letters): peceatricem → peccatricem; danmanda → damnanda.

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Nat. orig. 1.6 (CSEL 60:307–308; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-natura-origine-animae/1-1/#p-1-6). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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1.7CSEL 60:308

Item alio loco, cum eandem, qua se ipse inplicuerat, uelut explicandam proponeret quaestionem, tamquam ex persona aduersariorum ait: cur, inquiunt, deus animam tam iniusta animaduersione multauit, ut in corpus eam peccati relegare uoluerit, cum consortio carnis peccatrix esse incipit, quae peccatrix esse non potuit? in huius quaestionis tamquam scopuloso gurgite debuit utique cauere naufragium nec eo se committere, unde se non erueret transeundo, sed forte redeundo, id est paenitendo. nam de praescientia dei se nititur liberare, sed frustra. praescientia quippe dei eos quos sanaturus est peccatores praenoscit, non facit. nam si eas animas liberat a peccato, quas innocentes et mundas inplicuit ipse peccato, uulnus sanat quod intulit nobis, non quod inuenit in nobis. auertat autem deus et omnino absit, ut dicamus, quando lauacro regenerationis deus mundat animas paruulorum, tunc eum mala sua corrigere, quae illis ipse fecit, cum eas nullum habentes peccatum peccatrici carni, cuius originali peccato contaminarentur, ammiscuit. quas tamen iste accusans dicit inquinari meruisse per carnem nec potest dicere, unde tantum mali meruerint ante carnem.

Again in another place, when he put forward as if to be unravelled the same question in which he had entangled himself, he says, as if in the person of his opponents: “Why, they say, did God punish the soul with so unjust a penalty as to be willing to banish it into a body of sin, when by fellowship with the flesh it begins to be sinful, which could not have been sinful?” In this rocky whirlpool, as it were, of a question he ought to have taken care to avoid shipwreck, and not to commit himself to a place from which he could not get out by going across, but perhaps only by going back, that is, by repenting. For he tries to free himself by the foreknowledge of God, but in vain. For the foreknowledge of God foreknows the sinners whom he will heal; it does not make them. For if he frees from sin those souls which, innocent and clean, he himself entangled in sin, he heals a wound that he inflicted on us, not one that he found in us. God forbid, and far be it from us to say, that when God cleanses the souls of little children by the washing of regeneration, he is then correcting his own evils, which he himself did to them when he mingled them, having no sin, with sinful flesh, to be contaminated by its original sin. Yet this man, accusing them, says that they deserved to be defiled through the flesh, and cannot say how they deserved so great an evil before the flesh.

Titus 3:5 (allusion, high confidence)

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Summary: Appeal to God’s foreknowledge cannot explain why God would plunge innocent souls into sinful flesh.

  • “Washing of regeneration”: Titus 3:5.

Topics: Baptism

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Nat. orig. 1.7 (CSEL 60:308; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-natura-origine-animae/1-1/#p-1-7). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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1.8CSEL 60:308–309

Hanc ergo quaestionem frustra se putans de praescientia dei posse dissoluere adhuc sese inuoluit et dicit: anima si peccatrix esse meruit, quae peccatrix esse non potuit, tamen neque in peccato remansit, quia in Christo praefigurata in peccato esse non debuit, sicut esse non potuit. quid est quod dicit peccatrix esse non potuit uel in peccato esse non potuit nisi, credo, si non ueniret in carnem? neque enim potuit originali peccato esse peccatrix aut quoquo modo in originali peccato esse nisi per carnem, si de parente non trahitur. uidemus ergo eam per gratiam liberari a peccato, sed non uidemus unde meruerit haerere peccato. quid est ergo quod dicit: si peccatrix esse meruit, non tamen in peccato remansit? si enim ab illo quaeram, cur non in peccato remanserit, rectissime respondebit: quod eam Christi gratia liberauit. sicut ergo dicit. unde anima paruuli fuerit liberata peccatrix, sic etiam dicat, unde meruerit esse peccatrix.

Thinking in vain, then, that he can dissolve this question by the foreknowledge of God, he entangles himself further and says: “If the soul deserved to be sinful, which could not have been sinful, yet it did not remain in sin, because, prefigured in Christ, it ought not to be in sin, just as it could not be.” What does he mean by “could not have been sinful” or “could not be in sin”, except, I suppose, if it had not come into the flesh? For it could not be sinful by original sin, or in any way be in original sin, except through the flesh, if it is not derived from a parent. We see, then, that it is freed from sin by grace, but we do not see how it deserved to cling to sin. What does he mean, then, by saying, “If it deserved to be sinful, yet it did not remain in sin”? For if I ask him why it did not remain in sin, he will answer quite rightly: because the grace of Christ freed it. So then, just as he says how the soul of the little child was freed when sinful, let him also say how it deserved to be sinful.

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Summary: Victor explains how the infant’s soul is freed from sin but not how it deserved to become sinful.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR: cani for eam): cani per gratiam → eam per gratiam; quod cani Christi → quod eam Christi.

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Nat. orig. 1.8 (CSEL 60:308–309; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-natura-origine-animae/1-1/#p-1-8). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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1.9CSEL 60:309–310

Sed quid dicit, cui hoc quod praelocutus est contigit? namque, ut istam quaestionem sibi proponeret, ait: alia substruuntur obprobria querulis murmurationibus oblatrantum et excussi quasi quodam turbine identidem inter immania saxa conlidimur — hoc si ego de illo dicerem forsitan succenseret; uerba sunt eius—: quibus praemissis proposuit quaestionem, in qua ipsa saxa, quibus conlisus naufragauit, ostenderet. ad hoc enim perductus est et tam horrendis cautibus inlatus, inpulsus, infixus, ut eruere se nisi emendando quod dixit omnino non possit non ualens ostendere, quo merito anima sit facta peccatrix, quam dicere non timuit ante omne suum peccatum meruisse fieri peccatricem. quis tam immane supplicium meretur sine peccato, ut in aliena iniquitate conceptus, antequam exeat de uisceribus matris, iam non sit sine peccato? de hac autem poena paruulorum animas, qui regenerantur in Christo, nullis eorum praecedentibus meritis gratuita liberat gratia; alioquin gratia iam non est gratia. proinde iste homo ualde intellegens, cui displicet in tanta profunditate etsi non docta, tamen cauta nostra cunctatio. dicat, si potest, in hanc poenam quo peruenerit anima merito, de qua poena liberat gratia sine merito; dicat, ut quod dixit aliqua, si ualuerit, ratione defendat. non enim hoc exigerem, nisi ipse dixisset. quod anima meruerit esse peccatrix. dicat meritum eius utrum bonum fuerit anne malum. si bonum, quo merito bono uenit in malum? si malum, unde aliquod malum meritum ante omne peccatum? item dico: si bonum, non ergo eam gratis, sed secundum debitum liberat gratia, cuius praecessit meritum bonum, ac sic gratia iam non erit gratia; si autem malum, quaero quod sit. an quod uenit in carnem, quo non uenisset, nisi apud quem non est iniquitas ipse misisset? numquam igitur nisi se in peiora praecipitans hanc suam sententiam molietur astruere, qua dixit, quod anima meruerit esse peccatrix. et de his quidem paruulis, quorum in baptismo diluitur originale peccatum, inuenit qualitercumque quod diceret, quoniam praescientia dei praedestinatis in uitam aeternam nihil obesse potuisset paulisper alieno inhaerere peccato. quod tolerabiliter diceretur, si non iste uerbis suis inplicaretur dicens quod meruerit anima esse peccatrix. unde se omnino non liberat, nisi hoc eum dixisse paeniteat.

But what does he say, to whom what he said beforehand has happened? For, in order to put this question to himself, he says: “Other reproaches are laid beneath us by the complaining murmurs of those who bark against us, and, shaken out as if by a whirlwind, we are dashed again and again among enormous rocks”—if I said this of him he might perhaps be angry; these are his own words. Having said this beforehand, he put forward the question in which he was to show the very rocks against which he was dashed and shipwrecked. For he has been brought to this point, and has been borne on, driven against, and fixed upon such dreadful crags, that he cannot get himself out at all except by amending what he said, since he cannot show by what desert the soul was made sinful, which he was not afraid to say deserved to be made sinful before any sin of its own. Who deserves so enormous a punishment without sin as that, conceived in another’s iniquity, it is not without sin even before it comes out of its mother’s womb? From this punishment grace freely frees the souls of little children who are reborn in Christ, with no merits of theirs going before; otherwise grace is no longer grace. So let this very intelligent man, who is displeased by our hesitation in so great a depth—not learned, perhaps, but cautious—say, if he can, by what desert the soul came into this punishment from which grace frees it without desert; let him say, so that he may defend with some reason, if he is able, what he has said. For I would not demand this if he had not said that the soul deserved to be sinful. Let him say whether its desert was good or bad. If good, by what good desert did it come into evil? If bad, whence is there any bad desert before all sin? I say again: if good, then grace frees it not freely but according to what is owed, since a good desert went before, and so grace will no longer be grace; but if bad, I ask what it is. Is it that it came into the flesh, into which it would not have come unless he, with whom there is no iniquity, had himself sent it? He will never, then, contrive to establish this opinion of his, in which he said that the soul deserved to be sinful, except by throwing himself headlong into worse. And concerning those little children whose original sin is washed away in baptism, he found something or other to say: that by the foreknowledge of God it could do no harm to those predestined to eternal life to cling for a little while to another’s sin. This could be said tolerably if he were not entangled in his own words, saying that the soul deserved to be sinful. From this he does not free himself at all, unless he repents of having said it.

Ps 51:5 (50:7 LXX) (allusion, medium confidence) · Rom 11:6 (quotation, high confidence) · Rom 9:14 (allusion, medium confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: If the soul’s desert was good, grace is not grace; if bad, there was evil desert before sin; Victor must retract.

  • “Conceived in another’s iniquity” echoes Ps 51:5 (LXX 50:7); “otherwise grace is no longer grace” is Rom 11:6; “with whom there is no iniquity” echoes Rom 9:14.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR: c for e; OCR: cani for eam; OCR: e for c; OCR: sc for se): eruere sc nisi → eruere se nisi; cunetatio → cunctatio; si ualucrit → si ualuerit; meritum cius → meritum eius; non ergo cani gratis → non ergo eam gratis.

Topics: Baptism

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Nat. orig. 1.9 (CSEL 60:309–310; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-natura-origine-animae/1-1/#p-1-9). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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1.10CSEL 60:310–311

De illis autem paruulis qui morte praeueniuntur, priusquam baptizentur in Christo, cum respondere uoluisset, ausus est eis promittere non solum paradisum, uerum etiam regnum caelorum non inueniens, qua exiret, ne deum animas innocentes dicere cogeretur aeterna morte damnare, quas nullo merito praecedente peccati carni inserit peccatrici. sed utcumque sentiens quid mali dixerit sine ulla Christi gratia redimi animas paruulorum in aeternam uitam regnumque caelorum et in eis posse solui originale peccatum sine Christi baptismo, in quo fit remissio peccatorum, uidens ergo, in quam se profunditatem naufragosi gurgitis iecerit: sane, inquit, pro eis oblationes assiduas et offerenda iugiter sanctorum censeo sacrificia sacerdotum. ecce aliud, unde numquam exiturus est, nisi eum dixisse paeniteat. quis enim offerat corpus Christi nisi pro eis, qui membra sunt Christi? ex quo autem ab illo dictum est: nisi quis renatus fuerit ex aqua et spiritu, non potest intrare in regnum d e i, et alio loco: qui perdiderit animam suam propter m e, inueniet e a m, nemo fit membrum Christi nisi aut baptismate in Christo aut morte pro Christo.

But concerning those little children who are overtaken by death before they are baptized in Christ, when he wished to answer, he dared to promise them not only paradise but even the kingdom of heaven, finding no way out so as not to be forced to say that God condemns to eternal death innocent souls which, with no desert of sin going before, he inserts into sinful flesh. But sensing in some way what an evil thing he had said—that the souls of little children are redeemed into eternal life and the kingdom of heaven without any grace of Christ, and that original sin can be loosed in them without the baptism of Christ, in which the remission of sins takes place—seeing, then, into what a depth of shipwrecking whirlpool he had thrown himself, he says: “Certainly I hold that constant offerings and the sacrifices of holy priests should continually be offered for them.” Here is another thing from which he will never get out unless he repents of having said it. For who would offer the body of Christ except for those who are members of Christ? And since he said, “Unless one has been reborn of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God”, and in another place, “Whoever loses his life for my sake will find it”, no one becomes a member of Christ except either by baptism in Christ or by death for Christ.

John 3:5 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 10:39 (quotation, high confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: Victor promises heaven to unbaptized infants and prescribes eucharistic offerings for them; Augustine replies that only baptism or martyrdom makes a member of Christ.

  • John 3:5; Matt 10:39 (cf. 16:25). The word “animam” in the second quotation is also the word for “soul”.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR: c for e; OCR: li for h): uoluissct → uoluisset; ausus est cis → ausus est eis; pro Cliristo → pro Christo.

Topics: Baptism, Eucharist, Martyrdom

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Nat. orig. 1.10 (CSEL 60:310–311; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-natura-origine-animae/1-1/#p-1-10). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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1.11CSEL 60:311–312

Vnde et latro ille non ante crucem domini sectator, sed in cruce confessor, de quo nonnumquam praeiudicium captatur siue temptatur contra baptismatis sacramentum, a Cypriano sancto inter martyres computatur, qui suo sanguine baptizantur, quod plerisque non baptizatis feruente persecutione prouenit. tanto namque pondere appensum est tantumque ualuit apud eum, qui haec nouit appendere, quod confessus est dominum crucifixum, quantum si fuisset pro domino crucifixus. tunc enim fides eius de ligno floruit, quando discipulorum marcuit, nisi, cuius mortis terrore marcuerat, eius resurrectione reuiresceret. illi enim desperauerunt de moriente, ille sperauit in commoriente; refugerunt illi auctorem uitae, rogauit ille consortem poenae; doluerunt illi tamquam hominis mortem, credidit ille regnaturum esse post mortem; deseruerunt illi sponsorem salutis, honorauit ille socium crucis. inuenta est in eo mensura martyris, qui tunc in Christum credidit, quando defecerunt qui futuri erant martyres. et hoc quidem oculis domini clarum fuit, qui non baptizato tamquam martyrii sanguine abluto tantam felicitatem statim contulit. sed etiam nostrum quis non consideret, quanta fide, quanta spe, quanta caritate mortem pro Christo uiuente suscipere potuit, qui uitam in moriente quaesiuit? huc accedit, quia non incredibiliter dicitur latronem qui tunc credidit iuxta dominum crucifixum aqua illa, quae de uulnere lateris eius emicuit, tamquam sacratissimo baptismo fuisse perfusum, ut omittam quod eum, antequam damnaretur, baptizatum non fuisse, quoniam nemo nostrum nouit, nemo conuincit. uerum haec ut uolet quisque accipiat, dum tamen de baptismo non praescribatur saluatoris praecepto huius latronis exemplo et non baptizatis paruulis nemo promittat inter damnationem regnumque caelorum quietis uel felicitatis cuiuslibet atque ubilibet quasi medium locum. hoc enim eis etiam heresis Pelagiana promisit, quia nec damnationem metuit paruulis, quos nullum putat habere originale peccatum, nec sperat eis regnum caelorum, si non perueniunt ad baptismatis sacramentum. iste autem cum confiteatur paruulos originali obstrictos esse peccato, eis etiam regnum caelorum non baptizatis ausus est polliceri, quod nec illi ausi sunt, qui eos asserunt sine ullo prorsus esse peccato. ecce qualibus se laqueis praesumptionis innectat, nisi eum talia scripsisse paeniteat!

Hence also that thief, who was not a follower of the Lord before the cross but a confessor on the cross—from whom a precedent is sometimes sought, or attempted, against the sacrament of baptism—is counted by the holy Cyprian among the martyrs, who are baptized in their own blood, as has happened to many who were not baptized when persecution was raging. For so great a weight was given to it, and it counted for so much with him who knows how to weigh such things, that he confessed the crucified Lord, as much as if he had been crucified for the Lord. For his faith flowered from the tree at the moment when that of the disciples withered, unless it revived at the resurrection of him through the terror of whose death it had withered. They despaired of him as he was dying; he hoped in him who was dying with him. They fled the author of life; he asked the partner of his punishment. They grieved at his death as at a man’s; he believed he would reign after death. They deserted the guarantor of salvation; he honoured the companion of his cross. The measure of a martyr was found in him, who then believed in Christ when those who were to be martyrs failed. And this indeed was clear to the eyes of the Lord, who at once bestowed such great happiness on one unbaptized, as if washed by the blood of martyrdom. But which of us too would not consider with how great faith, how great hope, how great love he could have undergone death for the living Christ, who sought life in him as he was dying? Add to this that it is said, not incredibly, that the thief who then believed, crucified beside the Lord, was drenched, as if by a most holy baptism, with that water which gushed from the wound in his side—not to mention that no one of us knows, no one can prove, that he had not been baptized before he was condemned. But let each take these things as he will, provided that no rule is laid down about baptism against the Saviour’s command on the example of this thief, and that no one promises to unbaptized little children, between damnation and the kingdom of heaven, a sort of middle place of rest or happiness of whatever kind and wherever. For even the Pelagian heresy promised them this, since it neither fears damnation for little children, whom it thinks have no original sin, nor hopes for the kingdom of heaven for them if they do not come to the sacrament of baptism. But this man, though he confesses that little children are bound by original sin, has dared to promise them even the kingdom of heaven without baptism, which even those did not dare who assert that they are wholly without any sin. See in what snares of presumption he entangles himself, unless he repents of having written such things!

Luke 23:40 (allusion, high confidence) · John 19:34 (allusion, high confidence)

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Summary: The penitent thief counts as a martyr baptized in blood (or perhaps by the water from Christ’s side); his case gives no ground for promising heaven or a middle place to unbaptized infants.

  • The thief: Luke 23:39–43. Cyprian counts him among the martyrs in Ep. 73.22 (Hartel). The water from Christ’s side: John 19:34. Augustine reports the Pelagians as promising unbaptized infants a middle state short of the kingdom.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR garble; OCR: e for c; OCR: nl for ul; OCR: nl for uu): niartj-rii → martyrii; hue accedit → huc accedit; unlnere → uulnere; parunlis → paruulis.

Extrabiblical texts: Cyprian, Ep. 73.22 (Letters; allusion)

Topics: Baptism, Martyrdom, Heresy

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Nat. orig. 1.11 (CSEL 60:311–312; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-natura-origine-animae/1-1/#p-1-11). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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1.12CSEL 60:312–313

De fratre autem sanctae Perpetuae Dinocrate nec scriptura ipsa canonica est nec illa sic scripsit uel quicumque illud scripsit, ut illum puerum, qui septennis mortuus fuit, sine baptismo diceret fuisse defunctum, pro quo illa imminente martyrio creditur exaudita, ut a poenis transferretur ad requiem. nam illius aetatis pueri et mentiri et uerum loqui et confiteri et negare iam possunt. et ideo cum baptizantur, iam et symbolum reddunt et ipsi pro se ad interrogata respondent. quis igitur scit, utrum puer ille post baptismum persecutionis tempore a patre impio per idololatriam fuerit alienatus a Christo, propter quod in damnationem mortuus ierit nec inde nisi pro Christo moriturae sororis precibus donatus exierit?

As for Dinocrates, the brother of Saint Perpetua, that writing itself is not canonical, nor did she—or whoever wrote it—write in such a way as to say that the boy, who died at seven years of age, died without baptism; she is believed to have been heard for him, when martyrdom was imminent, so that he was transferred from punishment to rest. For boys of that age can already lie and speak the truth, confess and deny. And so, when they are baptized, they already recite the creed and answer for themselves the questions put to them. Who knows, then, whether that boy, after baptism, in a time of persecution, was estranged from Christ by an impious father through idolatry, for which reason he died and went into condemnation, and came out of it only as a gift to the prayers of his sister who was about to die for Christ?

Notes and citation

Summary: The Dinocrates story is not canonical and does not say the boy was unbaptized; he may have lapsed after baptism.

  • The vision of Dinocrates is in the Passion of Perpetua and Felicity (ch. 7–8 in modern editions).

Extrabiblical texts: Mart. Perp. 3 (The Passion of Saints Perpetua and Felicity; allusion)

Topics: Baptism, Scripture and canon

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Nat. orig. 1.12 (CSEL 60:312–313; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-natura-origine-animae/1-1/#p-1-12). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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1.13CSEL 60:313–314

Sed etiamsi hoc isti concedatur, quod salua fide catholica et ecclesiastica regula nulla ratione conceditur. ut pro non baptizatis cuiuslibet aetatis hominibus offeratur sacrificium corporis et sanguinis Christi, tamquam per huiusmodi pietatem suorum ad regnum caelorum quo perueniant adiuuentur, quid responsurus est de tot milibus infantum, qui nascuntur ex impiis nec in manus piorum aliqua uel diuina uel humana miseratione perueniunt et de ista uita in illa tenerrima aetate sine lauacro regenerationis abscedunt? dicat, si potest, unde istae animae sic peccatrices fieri meruerunt, ut a peccato saltem nec postea liberentur. si enim quaeram, quare damnari mereantur, si non baptizantur, recte mihi respondetur: propter originale peccatum; item si quaeram, unde traxerint originale peccatum. iste respondebit: Ex carne utique peccatrice. si ergo quaeram, unde damnari meruerint in peccatricem carnem, quae nihil mali fecerant ante carnem — hic inueniat quid respondeat, et sic damnari ad alienorum peccatorum subeunda contagia, ut nec baptisma regeneret male generatos nec sacrificia expient inquinatos —ibi enim et de talibus hii paruuli nati sunt siue adhuc usque nascuntur, ut, eis nullo tali possit adiutorio subueniri —, hic certe omnis argumentatio deficit. non enim quaerimus, unde animae damnari meruerint post carnis consortium peccatricis, sed quaerimus, unde animae damnari meruerint ad subeundum carnis consortium peccatricis nullum peccatum habentes ante carnis consortium peccatricis. non est, ut dicatur: nihil eis offuit alieni peccati paulisper communicata contagio, quibus in dei praescientia fuerat parata redemptio. de his enim nunc loquimur, quibus ante baptismum de corpore exeuntibus redemptio nulla succurrit. non est, ut dicatur: eas, quas baptisma non abluit, sacrificia pro eis crebra mundabunt, quod praesciens deus paululum illas uoluit alienis haerere peccatis sine ullo exitio damnationis aeternae et cum spe felicitatis aeternae. de his enim nunc loquimur, quarum natiuitas apud impios et ex impiis nulla talia poterit inuenire praesidia. quae quidem si adhiberi possent, procul dubio non baptizatis prodesse non possent, sicut nec illa quae de libro Machabeorum commemorauit sacrificia facta pro peccatoribus mortuis eis aliquid profuissent, si circumcisi non fuissent.

But even if this were granted him—which, with the catholic faith and the rule of the church kept safe, can by no means be granted—that the sacrifice of the body and blood of Christ may be offered for unbaptized people of any age, as though by such devotion of their own people they were helped to reach the kingdom of heaven, what will he answer about the many thousands of infants who are born of the ungodly and do not come into the hands of the godly by any compassion, divine or human, and depart from this life at that most tender age without the washing of regeneration? Let him say, if he can, how these souls deserved to be made so sinful that they are not freed from sin even afterward. For if I ask why they deserve to be condemned if they are not baptized, the right answer is given me: because of original sin. Likewise, if I ask whence they contracted original sin, he will answer: from sinful flesh, of course. If, then, I ask how they deserved to be condemned into sinful flesh, having done no evil before the flesh—let him find here what to answer—and to be condemned to undergo the contagion of others’ sins in such a way that neither does baptism regenerate those who were badly generated, nor do sacrifices expiate those who were defiled (for these little children were born, or are still being born, in such a place and of such people that no such help can come to their aid), here certainly all argument fails. For we are not asking how souls deserved to be condemned after their fellowship with sinful flesh, but how souls deserved to be condemned to undergo fellowship with sinful flesh when they had no sin before that fellowship. It is no use saying: the contagion of another’s sin, shared for a little while, did them no harm, since redemption had been prepared for them in the foreknowledge of God. For we are now speaking of those to whom no redemption comes to aid, since they leave the body before baptism. It is no use saying: those whom baptism has not washed, frequent sacrifices offered for them will cleanse, because God, foreknowing this, willed them to cling for a little while to others’ sins without any ruin of eternal damnation and with hope of eternal happiness. For we are now speaking of those whose birth among the ungodly and of the ungodly can find no such protections. And even if these could be applied, they could undoubtedly not profit the unbaptized, just as the sacrifices offered for dead sinners which he cited from the book of Maccabees would have profited them nothing if they had not been circumcised.

Titus 3:5 (allusion, medium confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: Even granting offerings for the unbaptized, Victor cannot account for the countless infants of unbelievers who die unbaptized with no one to offer for them.

  • The sacrifice for the dead is 2 Macc 12:43–45, which Victor had cited.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR: I X for Ex; OCR: broken word; OCR: e for c): I X carne → Ex carne; nee sacrificia → nec sacrificia; sed qua. rimus → sed quaerimus.

Extrabiblical texts: 2 Macc 12:43 (2 Maccabees [in RC, EO canons]; allusion)

Topics: Baptism, Eucharist

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Nat. orig. 1.13 (CSEL 60:313–314; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-natura-origine-animae/1-1/#p-1-13). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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1.14CSEL 60:314

Inueniat ergo, si potest, iste quid dicat, cum ab illo quaeritur, quid meruerit anima sine ullo peccato uel originali uel proprio sic ad subeundum alienum peccatum originale damnari, ut non ab illo ualeat liberari, et uideat quid eligat e duobus, utrum dicat etiam eas animas morientium paruulorum, quae hinc sine lauacro regenerationis abscedunt et pro quibus nullum sacrificium corporis dominici offertur, a nexu peccati originalis absolui, cum apostolus doceat ex uno ire omnes in condemnationem, quibus utique non subuenit gratia, ut per unum eruantur in redemptionem, an dicat animas non habentes ullum uel proprium uel originale peccatum et omni modo innocentes, simplices, puras a iusto deo, cum eas ipse non liberandas carni inserit peccatrici, aeterna damnatione puniri.

Let him find, then, if he can, what to say when he is asked what a soul without any sin, whether original or its own, deserved, to be condemned to undergo another’s original sin in such a way that it cannot be freed from it; and let him see which of two things he chooses: whether he will say that even those souls of dying little children who depart from here without the washing of regeneration, and for whom no sacrifice of the Lord’s body is offered, are released from the bond of original sin—when the apostle teaches that from one man all go into condemnation, namely all whom grace has not aided so that through one man they may be rescued into redemption—or whether he will say that souls which have no sin whatever, either their own or original, and are in every way innocent, simple, and pure, are punished with eternal damnation by a just God, when he himself inserts them into sinful flesh not to be freed.

Rom 5:18 (allusion, high confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: Victor must choose between saying unbaptized infants are freed from original sin or that a just God damns wholly innocent souls.

  • Rom 5:16–18.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR: c for e): eligat c duobus → eligat e duobus; subucnit → subuenit.

Topics: Baptism

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Nat. orig. 1.14 (CSEL 60:314; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-natura-origine-animae/1-1/#p-1-14). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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1.15CSEL 60:314–316

Ego nihil istorum duorum dicendum esse confirmo nec illud tertium alibi peccasse animas ante carnem, ut damnari mererentur in carnem — apostolus quippe apertissime definiuit nondum in carne natos nihil egisse boni seu mali; unde constat paruulos, ut remissione indigeant peccatorum. non nisi originale contraxisse peccatum — nec illud quartum eas animas paruulorum sine baptismate moriturorum a iusto deo in carnem peccatricem relegari atque damnari, quas praesciuit, si ad aetatem peruenissent. in qua libero uterentur arbitrio, male fuisse uicturas. hoc namque nec iste ausus est dicere in tantis angustiis constitutus, immo etiam contra istam uanitatem iam satis manifeste ac breuiter est locutus, ubi ait iniustum deum futurum fuisse, si non perfectis propriae uoluntatis operibus uellet hominem iudicare non natum. hoc enim respondit. cum tractaret quaestionem aduersus eos qui dicunt: cur deus hominem faciebat, quem utpote praescius sciebat futurum non bonum? non natum enim iudicaret, si propterea creare noluisset, quia non bonum futurum esse praescisset. et utique, sicut et huic uisum est, de perfectis eius operibus debuisset hominem iudicare, non de praecognitis nec fieri aliquando permissis. nam si peccata, quae si homo uiueret commissurus esset. etiam non commissa damnantur in mortuo, nullum beneficium conlatum est illi, qui raptus est, ne malitia mutaret intellectum eius, quando quidem iudicabitur secundum eam, quae in illo fuerat futura, malitiam, non secundum eam, quae in illo inuenta est, innocentiam et de nullo mortuo baptizato poterit esse securitas, quia et post baptismum non qualitercumque peccare, uerum etiam apostatare homines possunt. quid? si ergo qui baptizatus hinc raptus est, apostata erat futurus, si uiueret, nullumne illi beneficium putabimus esse conlatum, quod raptus est, ne malitia mutaret intellectum eius, et propter dei praescientiam non sicut fidele membrum Christi, sed sicut apostatam iudicandum esse censebimus? quanto enim melius, si peccata nondum facta, nondum cogitata, sed praecognita et futura puniuntur, proicerentur illi duo de paradiso ante peccatum, ne in loco tam sancto et beatifico peccaretur! quid quod ipsa exinanitur omnino praescientia, si quod praescitur non erit? quomodo enim recte dicitur praesciri futurum, quod non est futurum? quomodo ergo puniuntur peccata, quae nulla sunt, id est quae nec uita ista nondum incipiente commissa sunt ante carnem nec morte praeueniente post carnem?

I affirm that neither of these two is to be said; nor that third thing, that souls sinned elsewhere before the flesh, so that they deserved to be condemned into the flesh—for the apostle most plainly laid down that those not yet born in the flesh had done nothing good or bad; hence it is established that little children, if they need remission of sins, have contracted only original sin—nor that fourth thing, that the souls of little children who are to die without baptism are banished into sinful flesh and condemned by a just God because he foreknew that, if they had reached the age at which they would use free choice, they would have lived badly. For not even this man dared to say that, placed as he was in such great straits; indeed, he has already spoken clearly and briefly enough against this vanity, when he says that God would have been unjust if he had wished to judge a man not yet born, when the works of his own will had not been done. For this is how he answered when he dealt with the question against those who say, “Why did God make a man whom, being foreknowing, he knew would not be good?” For he would be judging him unborn if he had refused to create him because he foreknew that he would not be good. And certainly, as this man too thought, he ought to judge a man by his completed works, not by works foreknown and never permitted to take place. For if sins which a man would have committed if he had lived are condemned in the dead man even though they were not committed, then no benefit was conferred on him who was snatched away lest wickedness should alter his understanding, since he will be judged according to the wickedness that would have been in him, not according to the innocence that was found in him; and there could be no security about any baptized person who has died, because even after baptism people can not only sin in some way but even apostatize. What then? If one who was baptized and snatched away from here would have become an apostate had he lived, shall we think no benefit was conferred on him in being snatched away lest wickedness should alter his understanding, and shall we hold that because of God’s foreknowledge he is to be judged not as a faithful member of Christ but as an apostate? How much better, if sins not yet done, not yet thought, but foreknown and future are punished, would it have been for those two to be cast out of paradise before the sin, so that sin should not be committed in so holy and blessed a place! And what of the fact that foreknowledge itself is emptied altogether if what is foreknown will not be? For how is something rightly said to be foreknown as future which is not future? How, then, are sins punished which are no sins at all, that is, which were neither committed before the flesh, when this life had not yet begun, nor after the flesh, since death came first?

Rom 9:11 (allusion, high confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: Augustine rejects four explanations, including pre-existent sin and condemnation for sins God foresaw but that were never committed.

  • Rom 9:11. “Snatched away lest wickedness should alter his understanding” is Wis 4:11. “Those two” are Adam and Eve.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR: c for e; OCR: e for c; OCR: n for u): aduersus cos qui → aduersus eos qui; hominem indicare → hominem iudicare; ante peceatum → ante peccatum.

Extrabiblical texts: Wis 4:11 (Wisdom of Solomon [in RC, EO, ETH canons]; quotation)

Topics: Baptism

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Nat. orig. 1.15 (CSEL 60:314–316; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-natura-origine-animae/1-1/#p-1-15). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude (Opus) from the Latin of Urba and Zycha (CSEL 60, 1913); each batch compared afterwards with the public-domain translation in NPNF¹ 5 (1887).

1.16CSEL 60:316–317

Hoc itaque medium, ex quo anima missa est in carnem, quo usque solueretur a carne, quoniam paruuli anima est nec liberi arbitrii gessit aetatem, non inuenit unde damnaretur non percepto baptismo nisi originale peccatum. ex hoc peccato iuste damnari animam non negamus, quia peccato supplicium lex iusta constituit; sed ad hoc peccatum subeundum cur damnata sit quaerimus, si non ex illa una trahitur, quae in generis humani primo patre peccauit. quamobrem si deus non damnat innocentes nec facit nocentes, quos perspicit innocentes, et si animas non liberat siue ab originalibus siue a propriis peccatis nisi in ecclesia Christi baptismus Christi et si animae ante carnem nullum habuerunt omnino peccatum et si peccata antequam committantur et multo magis quae numquam commissa sunt damnari iusta lege non possunt, nihil horum quattuor iste dicat et, si potest, explicet, paruulorum animae, quae sine baptismo exeuntes in damnationem mittuntur, quo merito in carnem peccatricem, quae nihil peccauerunt, missae sunt, ut illic inuenirent peccatum, propter quod merito damnarentur. porro si quattuor ista deuitans, quae sana doctrina condemnat, id est si non audens dicere uel sine ullo peccato exsistentes a deo fieri animas peccatrices aut sine Christi sacramento in eis solui originale peccatum aut eas alicubi peccasse, antequam mitterentur in carnem, aut ea quae numquam habuerunt in eis peccata damnari, si haec nolens dicere, quoniam non sunt utique dicenda, dixerit paruulos non trahere originale peccatum nec habere unde damnentur, si non accepto sacramento regenerationis hinc exeant, in heresim Pelagianam sine dubitatione damnabilem damnandus incurret. quod ei ne contingat, quanto melius tenet de origine animae cunctationem meam ne audeat affirmare, quod nec humana ratione conprehendit nec diuina auctoritate defendit, ne cogatur insipientiam profiteri, dum ueretur ignorantiam confiteri!

This middle period, then, from the time the soul was sent into the flesh until it should be released from the flesh, since it is the soul of a little child and has not lived through the age of free choice, finds nothing for which it should be condemned, if baptism has not been received, except original sin. We do not deny that the soul is justly condemned for this sin, because a just law has appointed punishment for sin; but we ask why it was condemned to undergo this sin, if it is not derived from that one soul which sinned in the first father of the human race. Therefore, if God does not condemn the innocent, nor make guilty those whom he sees to be innocent; and if nothing frees souls from either original or personal sins except the baptism of Christ in the church of Christ; and if souls had no sin at all before the flesh; and if sins cannot be condemned by a just law before they are committed, much less those that are never committed—let this man say none of these four things, and let him explain, if he can, by what desert the souls of little children who depart without baptism and are sent into damnation were sent, having committed no sin, into sinful flesh, to find sin there, for which they would be deservedly condemned. Moreover, if, avoiding these four things, which sound doctrine condemns—that is, if not daring to say either that souls existing without any sin are made sinful by God, or that original sin is loosed in them without the sacrament of Christ, or that they sinned somewhere before they were sent into the flesh, or that sins they never had are condemned in them—if, unwilling to say these things, since they certainly ought not to be said, he says that little children do not contract original sin and have nothing for which to be condemned if they depart from here without receiving the sacrament of regeneration, he will run, deserving condemnation himself, into the Pelagian heresy, which is beyond doubt to be condemned. So that this may not befall him, how much better it would be for him to hold my hesitation about the origin of the soul, and not dare to affirm what he neither grasps by human reason nor defends by divine authority, lest he be compelled to profess folly while he fears to confess ignorance!

Notes and citation

Summary: Excluding four false answers leaves Victor only Pelagianism; better to share Augustine’s hesitation about the soul’s origin.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR garble; OCR: c for e; OCR: e for c; OCR: n for u): nee liberi → nec liberi; cx hoc peccato → ex hoc peccato; peccanerunt → peccauerunt; inucnirent → inuenirent; a di o fieri → a deo fieri.

Topics: Baptism, Heresy

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Nat. orig. 1.16 (CSEL 60:316–317; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-natura-origine-animae/1-1/#p-1-16). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude (Opus) from the Latin of Urba and Zycha (CSEL 60, 1913); each batch compared afterwards with the public-domain translation in NPNF¹ 5 (1887).

1.17CSEL 60:317–318

Hic forte dicat sententiam suam diuina auctoritate defendi, quoniam sanctarum scripturarum testimoniis probare se existimat animas a deo non ex propagine fieri, sed nouas singulis insufflari. probet, si potest, et fatebor me didicisse ab illo quod magna intentione quaerebam. sed quaerat, aliane fortassis inueniat; nam hoc istis testimoniis, quae iam posuit. non probauit. omnia quippe quae hic adhibuit ad aliquid certa sunt; ad hoc uero, quod de animae origine quaeritur. demonstrantur ambigua. certum est enim deum dedisse hominibus flatum et spiritum dicente propheta: sic dicit d ominus, qui fecit caelum et fundauit terram et quae sunt in ea, qui dat flatum populo super eam et spiritum calcantibus eam. hoc testimonium iste in eam sententiam uult accipi, quam defendit, ut, quod ait, dat flatum populo, non ex propagine facere animas populo, sed nouas insufflare credatur. audeat ergo dicere non ipsum nobis dedisse carnem, quia de parentibus origo carnis adtracta est, et, ulli ait apostolus de frumenti grano: deus illi dat corpus quomodo uoluerit, neget, si audet, de tritico triticum nasci et herbam eius ex semine secundum genus. quod si negare non audet, unde igitur scit quomodo dictum sit dat flatum populo, utrum eum trahens de parentibus an insufflans nouum?

Here perhaps he may say that his opinion is defended by divine authority, since he thinks he proves by testimonies of the holy Scriptures that souls are made by God not by propagation, but are breathed in new into each person. Let him prove it, if he can, and I will confess that I have learned from him what I was seeking with great effort. But let him search, in case he may find other texts; for by these testimonies which he has already set down he has not proved it. For everything he has adduced here is certain for some point, but for the question about the origin of the soul it is shown to be ambiguous. For it is certain that God has given breath and spirit to men, as the prophet says: “Thus says the Lord, who made heaven and founded the earth and the things that are in it, who gives breath to the people upon it and spirit to those who tread on it.” This testimony he wants taken in the sense he defends, so that when it says, “he gives breath to the people”, it is believed that he does not make souls for the people by propagation but breathes in new ones. Let him dare, then, to say that God did not give us flesh, because the origin of the flesh was derived from the parents; and, where the apostle says of a grain of wheat, “God gives it a body as he wills”, let him deny, if he dares, that wheat is born of wheat and its plant from the seed according to its kind. But if he does not dare deny this, how then does he know in what way it was said, “he gives breath to the people”—whether by deriving it from the parents or by breathing it in new?

Isa 42:5 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Cor 15:38 (quotation, high confidence) · Gen 1:11 (allusion, medium confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: Isaiah 42:5 shows God gives breath, but not whether by propagation or new inbreathing, just as God gives bodies that come from seed.

  • Isa 42:5; 1 Cor 15:38; cf. Gen 1:11–12. The clause “et, ulli ait apostolus” appears garbled in the digital text (probably “ubi ait”); translated by sense.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR: c for e; joined words): sunt inea, → sunt in ea,; calcantibus cam → calcantibus eam.

Topics: Scripture and canon

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Nat. orig. 1.17 (CSEL 60:317–318; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-natura-origine-animae/1-1/#p-1-17). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude (Opus) from the Latin of Urba and Zycha (CSEL 60, 1913); each batch compared afterwards with the public-domain translation in NPNF¹ 5 (1887).