Tractates on the Gospel of John 21.1–21.13

Latin text: Migne, PL 35 (Latin text: Migne, Patrologia Latina, digitized by Open Greek and Latin (patrologia_latina-dev, University of Leipzig), CC BY-SA 4.0).English: Claude (claude-opus-5-5), public domain (CC0). Compare: Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers, series 1, vol. 7 (1888).

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Chapter 21

21.1PL 35:1563

Hesterno die quantum Dominus donare dignatus est, qua potuimus facultate tractavimus, et qua po­ tuimus capacitate intelleximus, quomodo insepara­ bilia sunt opera Patris et Filii; nec alia facit Pater, alia Filius, sed omnia Pater facit per Filium, tan­ quam per Verbum suum, de quo scriptum est, Omnia per ipsum facta sunt, et sine ipso factum est nihil. Se­ quentia verba hodie videamus, et ab eodem Domino ejus misericordiam et deprecemur, et speremus, ut primum si dignum ipse judicat, intelligamus quod ve­ rum est: si autem hoc non potuerimus, non eamus in illud quod falsum est. Melius est enim nescire, quam errare: sed scire est melius quam nescire. Ita­ que ante omnia conari debemus ut sciamus: si potue­ rimus, Deo gratias; si autem non potuerimus interim pervenire ad veritatem, non eamus ad falsitatem. Quid enim simus, et quid tractemus, considerare debemus. Homines sumus carnem portantes, in hac vita ambulantes: et si jam de semine verbi Dei renati, ta­ men ita in Christo innovati, ut nondum penitus ab Adam exspoliati. Quod enim nostrum mortale et cor­ ruptibile aggravat animam, ex Adam esse apparet, et manifestum est: quod autem nostrum spirituale sublevat animam, de Dei dono et de mise­ ricordia ejus, qui Unicum suum misit communicare nobiscum mortem nostram, et ducere nos ad immor­ talitatem suam. Hunc habemus magistrum, ut non peccemus; et defensorem, si peccaverimus et confessi atque conversi fuerimus; et interpellatorem pro no­ bis, si quid boni a Domino desideraverimus; et da­ torem cum Patre, quia Deus unus est Pater et Filius. Sed loquebatur ista homo hominibus; Deus occultus, homo manifestus, ut manifestos homines faceret deos; et Filius Dei, factus hominis filius, ut hominum filios faceret filios Dei. Qua hoc arte sapientiæ suæ faciat, in ejus verbis agnoscimus. Loquitur enim parvulis parvus: sed ipse ita parvus ut et magnus; nos autem parvi, sed in illo magni: loquitur ergo tanquam fovens et nutriens lactentes, et amando crescentes.

Yesterday, as far as the Lord deigned to grant, we treated with what ability we could, and understood with what capacity we could, how the works of the Father and the Son are inseparable: the Father does not do some things and the Son others, but the Father does all things through the Son, as through his Word, of whom it is written, “All things were made through him, and without him nothing was made.” Let us look today at the words that follow, and let us both beg the same Lord for his mercy and hope in it, so that first, if he himself judges it fitting, we may understand what is true; but if we cannot do this, that we may not go into what is false. For it is better not to know than to err; but to know is better than not to know. So above all we ought to strive to know: if we can, thanks be to God; but if for the present we cannot reach the truth, let us not go toward falsehood. For we ought to consider what we are and what we are treating. We are men carrying flesh, walking in this life; and though already reborn of the seed of God's word, yet renewed in Christ in such a way that we are not yet entirely stripped of Adam. For that which in us is mortal and corruptible and weighs down the soul plainly comes from Adam, and this is evident; but that which in us is spiritual and lifts up the soul comes from the gift of God and from the mercy of him who sent his only Son to share our death with us and to lead us to his own immortality. We have him as teacher, that we may not sin; as defender, if we have sinned and have confessed and turned back; as intercessor for us, if we desire some good from the Lord; and as giver together with the Father, because the Father and the Son are one God. But he was speaking these things as a man to men: God hidden, man manifest, that he might make manifest men gods; and the Son of God, made a son of man, that he might make the sons of men sons of God. By what art of his wisdom he does this we recognize in his words. For he speaks as a little one to little ones; but he is little in such a way that he is also great; we are little, but great in him. He speaks, then, as one who cherishes and nourishes infants at the breast, and those who grow by loving.

John 1:3 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 John 2:1 (allusion, medium confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: Augustine prays to understand truly, or at least not to err, and recalls that Christ, God hidden and man manifest, speaks as a little one to little ones.

  • John 1:3 is quoted; “weighs down the soul” recalls Wis 9:15; Christ as defender and intercessor recalls 1 John 2:1.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR slip): dignatus cst → dignatus est; tuimns → tuimus; suntO → suum; Omnia pcr ipsum → Omnia per ipsum; non camus → non eamus; scire est mclius → scire est melius; inierim → interim; falsilatcm → falsitatem; debcmus → debemus; Dei ren ti → Dei renati; apparct → apparet; ducerc → ducere; habcmus magistrum, ut nou → habemus magistrum, ut non; dcfensorcm, si peccavcrimus → defensorem, si peccaverimus; Dens occultus → Deus occultus; faccret → faceret; arlc sapientiæ suæ faciat, in cjus → arte sapientiæ suæ faciat, in ejus.

Extrabiblical texts: Wis 9:15 (Wisdom of Solomon [in RC, EO, ETH canons]; allusion)

Topics: Christology

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Tract. Ev. Jo. 21.1 (PL 35:1563; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-tractatus-ioannem/21-1/#p-21-1). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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21.2PL 35:1563–1565

Dixerat, Non potest Filius a se facere quidquam, nisi quod viderit Patrem facientem. In­ telleximus autem quia non seorsum aliquid Pater facit, quod cum viderit Filius, faciat et ipse aliquid tale in­ specto opere Patris sui; sed quod dixit, Non potest Filius a se facere quidquam, nisi quod viderit Patrem facientem, quia de Patre est totus Filius, et tota sub­ stantia et potentia ejus ex illo est qui genuit eum. Modo autem cum dixisset se haec facere similiter quae facit Pater, ut non intelligamus alia facere Patrem. alia Filium, sed simili potentia facere Filium eadem ipsa quæ Pater facit, cum Pater facit per Filium; secu­ tus ait quod hodie lectum audivimus, Pater enim diligit Filium, et omnia demonstrat ei quæ ipse facit. Rursus mortalis cogitatio perturbatur. Demonstrat Pater Fi­ lio quæ ipse facit; ergo, ait aliquis, seorsum Pater facit, ut possit Filius videre quod facit. Rursus occur­ runt humanæ cogitationi tanquam artifices duo, velut si faber doceat filium suum artem suam, et demon­ stret ei quidquid facit, ut possit etiam ipse facere: Omnia; inquit, demonstrat ei quæ ipse facit. Cum ergo Pater facit, Filius non facit, ut possit videre Filius quod Pater facit? Certe omnia per ipsum facta sunt, et sine ipso factum est nihil. Hinc videmus quemad­ modum Pater demonstrat Filio quod facit; cum Pa­ ter nihil faciat, nisi quod per Filium facil. Quid fecit Pater? Mundum. Itane factum mundum demonstra­ vit Filio, ut et ipse tale aliquid faceret? Detur ergo mundus nobis quem fecit et Filius, Sed, et omnia per ipsum facta sunt, et sine ipso factum est nihil, et mun­ dus per eum factus est. Si factus per eum est mundus, et omnia per ipsum facta sunt, et nihil facit Pater quod non per Filium faciat; ubi demon­ strat Filio Pater quod facit, nisi in ipso Filio per quem facit? Quis enim locus ubi demonstretur opus Patris Filio, quasi extra faciat ct extra sedeat, et Fi­ lius attendat manum Patris quemadmodum faciat? Ubi est illa inseparabilis Trinitas? ubi est Verbum de quo dictum est quod ipse est Virtus et Sapientia Dei? ubi quod de ipsa Sapientia Scriptura dicit, Candor est enim lucis æternæ? ubi quod de illa iterum dicitur, Attingit a fine usque ad finem fortiter, et disponit omnia suaviter? Si quid facit Pater, per Filium facit; si per Sapien­ tiam suam, et Virtutem suam facit: non extra illi ostendit quod videat, sed in ipso illi ostendit quod facit.

He had said, “The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he sees the Father doing.” And we understood that the Father does not do something separately, so that when the Son has seen it, he too does something similar after looking at his Father's work; but that he said, “The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he sees the Father doing,” because the Son is wholly from the Father, and his whole substance and power are from him who begot him. But now, having said that he does likewise the things the Father does—so that we should not understand the Father to do some things and the Son others, but the Son to do with like power those very things that the Father does, since the Father does them through the Son—he went on to say what we heard read today: “For the Father loves the Son, and shows him all things that he himself does.” Again mortal thought is thrown into confusion. The Father shows the Son what he himself does; therefore, someone says, the Father does it separately, so that the Son can see what he does. Again two craftsmen, as it were, come to human thought, as if a smith were teaching his son his craft and showing him whatever he makes, so that he too can make it: “All things,” he says, “he shows him that he himself does.” When the Father makes, then, does the Son not make, so that the Son can see what the Father makes? Certainly “all things were made through him, and without him nothing was made.” Hence we see how the Father shows the Son what he does, when the Father does nothing except what he does through the Son. What did the Father make? The world. Did he show the Son the world already made, so that he too might make something similar? Then let the world be given us that the Son also made. But “all things were made through him, and without him nothing was made,” and “the world was made through him.” If the world was made through him, and all things were made through him, and the Father makes nothing that he does not make through the Son, where does the Father show the Son what he does, except in the Son himself, through whom he does it? For what place is there where the Father's work might be shown to the Son, as if he made it outside and sat outside, and the Son watched the Father's hand to see how he made it? Where is that inseparable Trinity? Where is the Word, of whom it was said that he is “the power and wisdom of God”? Where is what Scripture says of Wisdom itself: “For it is the radiance of eternal light”? Where is what is said of it again: “It reaches mightily from end to end, and orders all things sweetly”? If the Father does anything, he does it through the Son; if through his Wisdom and his Power, he does not show him outside something for him to see, but shows him in himself what he does.

John 5:19 (quotation, high confidence) · John 5:20 (quotation, high confidence) · John 1:3 (quotation, high confidence) · John 1:10 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Cor 1:24 (quotation, high confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: The Father does not show the Son works done outside him, as a smith shows his son, but shows them in the Son, his Wisdom and Power, through whom he makes all things.

  • John 5:19–20, John 1:3, 10, and 1 Cor 1:24 are quoted, with Wis 7:26 and 8:1.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR slip): non scorsum → non seorsum; tolus Filius, et lota → totus Filius, et tota; Filitun → Filium; Pater facil, cum → Pater facit, cum; faber docent → faber doceat; demon­ siret ci quidqnid → demon­ stret ei quidquid; Cnm ergo → Cum ergo; quod Patcr facit → quod Pater facit; jacta sunt → facta sunt; Hunc videmus quemdad­ modum → Hinc videmus quemad­ modum; cum Pi­ ter → cum Pa­ ter; Quid f cit Pater? Mundum. Itanc f.:ctum → Quid fecit Pater? Mundum. Itane factum; mudus nohis → mundus nobis; factum eat nihil, et mun­ dua per eum factus eat → factum est nihil, et mun­ dus per eum factus est; ulundus → mundus; nihil Jacit → nihil facit; nis! in ipso → nisi in ipso; Quis euim → Quis enim; Cui est illa → Ubi est illa; Sopieulia Dci → Sapientia Dei; Herum dicitur → iterum dicitur; Filium facil; si → Filium facit; si.

Extrabiblical texts: Wis 7:26 (Wisdom of Solomon [in RC, EO, ETH canons]; quotation); Wis 8:1 (Wisdom of Solomon [in RC, EO, ETH canons]; quotation)

Topics: Trinity

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Tract. Ev. Jo. 21.2 (PL 35:1563–1565; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-tractatus-ioannem/21-1/#p-21-2). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin of Migne PL 35 (digital text, Open Greek and Latin), then compared batch by batch with the public-domain English of NPNF¹ 7 (Gibb and Innes, 1888); differences checked against the Latin.

21.3PL 35:1565

Quid videt Pater, vel potius quid videt Filius in Patre ut faciat et ipse? Possim forte dicere; sed da qui possit capere: aut forte possim cogitare, nec di­ cere; aut forte nec cogitare. Excedit enim nos illa divinitas tanquam Deus homines, tanquam immortalis mortales, tanquam æternus temporales. Inspiret et do­ net, de fonte illo vitæ nunc aliquid irrorare dignetur et distillare in sitim nostram, ne in hac eremo are­ scamus. Dicamus ei, Domine, cui didicimus dicere, Pater. Audemus enim hoc, quia ipse voluit ut aude­ remus: si tamen sic vivamus, ut non nobis dicat, Si Pater sum, ubi est honor meus? si Dominus sum, ubi est timor meus? Dicamus ergo illi, Pater noster. Cui dicimus, Pater noster? Patri Christi. Qui ergo Patri Christi dicit, Pater noster, quid dicit Christo, nisi, Frater noster? Non tamen sicut Christi Pater, ita et noster Pater: nunquam enim Christus ita nos conjunxit, ut nullam distinctionem faceret in­ ter nos et se. Ille enim Filius aequalis Patri, ille æternus cum Patre, Patrique coæternus: nos autem facti per Filium, adoptati per Unicum. Proinde nun­ quam auditum est de ore Domini nostri Jesu Christi, cum ad discipulos loqueretur, dixisse illum de Deo summo Patre suo, Pater noster: sed aut, Pater meus, dixit; aut, Pater vester. Pater noster non dixit, us­ que adeo ut quodam loco poneret hæc duo: Vado ad Deum meum, inquit, et Deum vestrum. Quare non dixit, Deum nostrum? Et Patrem meum dixit, et Patrem vestrum; non dixit, Patrem no­ strum. Sic jungit ut distinguat, sic distinguit ut non sejungat. Unum nos vult esse in se, unum autem Pa­ trem et se.

What does the Father see—or rather, what does the Son see in the Father, so that he too may do it? Perhaps I could say it; but give me someone who can grasp it. Or perhaps I could think it but not say it; or perhaps not even think it. For that divinity surpasses us as God surpasses men, as the immortal surpasses mortals, as the eternal surpasses the temporal. May he inspire and grant; may he deign now to sprinkle something from that fountain of life and let it drip into our thirst, lest we dry up in this desert. Let us say to him “Lord,” to whom we have learned to say “Father.” For we dare this, because he himself willed that we should dare it; provided only that we live so that he does not say to us, “If I am a Father, where is my honor? If I am a Lord, where is my fear?” Let us say to him, then, “Our Father.” To whom do we say “Our Father”? To the Father of Christ. Whoever, then, says “Our Father” to the Father of Christ, what does he say to Christ but “Our brother”? Yet he is not our Father in the same way as he is Christ's Father; for Christ never joined us to himself in such a way as to make no distinction between us and himself. For he is the Son equal to the Father, he is eternal with the Father and coeternal with the Father; but we were made through the Son, adopted through the Only-begotten. Accordingly, it was never heard from the mouth of our Lord Jesus Christ, when he spoke to the disciples, that he said of the supreme God, his Father, “Our Father”; but he said either “my Father” or “your Father.” He did not say “Our Father,” so much so that in one place he set these two side by side: “I am going,” he says, “to my God and your God.” Why did he not say “our God”? He said both “my Father” and “your Father”; he did not say “our Father.” He so joins as to distinguish, and so distinguishes as not to disjoin. He wants us to be one in him, but the Father and himself to be one.

Mal 1:6 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 6:9 (allusion, high confidence) · John 20:17 (quotation, high confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: We may call Christ's Father “our Father,” but Christ always distinguished “my Father” from “your Father,” since he is Son by nature and we by adoption.

  • Mal 1:6 and John 20:17 are quoted; “Our Father” is Matt 6:9.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR slip): pot ius → potius; aut fortc → aut forte; nos ilia divinitas → nos illa divinitas; do­ nel → do­ net; dignetur ct distillare → dignetur et distillare; audQ­ remus → aude­ remus; coxternus: nos autem faeti → coæternus: nos autem facti; anditum → auditum; Deummeum, inquit, et Denm vestrum → Deum meum, inquit, et Deum vestrum; Dcum nostrum → Deum nostrum; Pa- I rent vestrum → Patrem vestrum.

Topics: Trinity, Prayer

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Tract. Ev. Jo. 21.3 (PL 35:1565; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-tractatus-ioannem/21-1/#p-21-3). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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21.4PL 35:1565

Quantumcumque ergo intelligamus et quantum. cumque videamus, etiam cum Angelis æquati fueri­ mus, non videbimus sicut videt Filius. Nos enim et quando non videmus, sumus aliquid. Et quid aliud su­ mus quando non videmus, nisi non videntes? Sumus tamen vel non videntes; et ut videamus, convertimus nos ad eum quem videamus; et fit in nobis visio quae non erat, quando nos tamen eramus. Est enim homo non videns, et idem ipse cum viderit, dicitur homo videns. Non ergo hoc est illi videre, quod esse homi­ nem: nam si hoc illi esset videre quod esse hominem, nunquam esset homo nisi videns. Cum vero est homo non videns, et quærit videre quod non videt; est qui quærat, et est qui se convertat ut videat: et cum se bene converterit et viderit, fit homo videns, qui prius erat homo non videns. Videre ergo accedit illi, et rece­ dit ab illo: accedit illi cum se converterit, recedit ab illo cum se averterit. Numquid ita Filius? Absit. Nunquam fuit Filius non videns, et postea factus est videns: sed videre Patrem, hoc illi est esse Filium. Nos enim avertendo ad peccatum, amittimus illumi­ nationem; et convertendo nos ad Deum, percipimus illuminationem. Aliud est enim lumen quo illumina­ mur, aliud nos qui illuminamur. Lumen autem ipsum quo illuminamur, nec avertitur a se, nec perdit lu­ cem, quia lux est. Sic ergo demonstrat Pater rem quam facit Filio, ut in Patre videat omnia Filius, ct in Patre sit omnia Filius. Videndo enim natus est, et nascendo videt. Sed non aliquando non erat natus, et postea natus est; sicut non aliquando non vidit, et postea vidit: sed in eo quod est illi videre, in eo est illi esse, in eo est illi natum esse, in eo est illi per­ manere, in eo cst illi non mutari, in eo cst illi sine initio ct sine fine persistere, Non ergo carnaliter ac­ cipiamus quia sedet Pater, ct facit opus, et demonstrat Filio; et videt Filius opus quod Pater facit, et facit illud in alio loco, aut ex alia materia. Omnia enim per ipsum facta sunt, et sine ipso factum est nihil. Verbum Patris est Filius, nihil dixit Deus quod non dixit in Filio. Dicendo enim in Filio quod facturus erat per Fi­ lium, ipsum Filium genuit per quem faceret omnia.

However much, then, we understand and however much we see, even when we have been made equal to the angels, we shall not see as the Son sees. For we, even when we do not see, are something. And what else are we when we do not see but non-seeing? Still we exist, even as non-seeing; and in order to see, we turn ourselves to him whom we are to see; and there comes to be in us a seeing that was not there when we nevertheless existed. For there is a man not seeing, and the same man, when he has seen, is called a man seeing. So for him, seeing is not the same as being a man; for if seeing were for him the same as being a man, he would never be a man unless seeing. But when there is a man not seeing, and he seeks to see what he does not see, there is someone who seeks, and someone who turns himself to see; and when he has turned himself well and has seen, he becomes a man seeing who was before a man not seeing. Seeing, then, comes to him and departs from him: it comes to him when he turns himself toward, it departs from him when he turns himself away. Is the Son like this? Far from it. The Son was never non-seeing and afterward became seeing; but to see the Father is for him to be the Son. For we, by turning away to sin, lose enlightenment, and by turning ourselves to God, receive enlightenment. For the light by which we are enlightened is one thing; we who are enlightened are another. But the light itself by which we are enlightened neither turns away from itself nor loses its light, because it is light. So, then, the Father shows the Son the thing he does in such a way that the Son sees all things in the Father, and the Son is all things in the Father. For by seeing he was born, and by being born he sees. But it is not that at some time he was not born and afterward was born, as it is not that at some time he did not see and afterward saw; but in that which is for him to see, in that is for him to be, in that is for him to have been born, in that is for him to abide, in that is for him not to be changed, in that is for him to persist without beginning and without end. Let us not, then, take it carnally, that the Father sits and does a work and shows it to the Son, and the Son sees the work that the Father does and makes it in another place or out of other material. For “all things were made through him, and without him nothing was made.” The Son is the Word of the Father; God has said nothing that he did not say in the Son. For by saying in the Son what he was going to make through the Son, he begot the Son himself, through whom he would make all things.

Luke 20:36 (allusion, high confidence) · John 1:3 (quotation, high confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: Unlike us, who sometimes see and sometimes do not, the Son's seeing the Father is his very being as Son; he is the Word in whom the Father says all he makes.

  • Luke 20:36 (“equal to the angels”) and John 1:3 are drawn on. A stray digit after lucem in the digital text is removed.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR slip; stray digit in the digital text): fucri­ nms → fueri­ mus; sicut vidct Filius → sicut videt Filius; tamcn vel non videntes; et ut videamus, convertimus nos ad cum → tamen vel non videntes; et ut videamus, convertimus nos ad eum; non crat → non erat; Est cnim homo non videns, ct idem ipse cutn viderit, dicilur → Est enim homo non videns, et idem ipse cum viderit, dicitur; hoc cst illi videre, quod esse homi­ nrm → hoc est illi videre, quod esse homi­ nem; viderequod non videt; e l qui → videre quod non videt; est qui; non videns, ct postea factus cst → non videns, et postea factus est; ad Dcum → ad Deum; Lumcn autem → Lumen autem; cem 1, → cem,; Pater rcm quam faciL Filio → Pater rem quam facit Filio; nascendo videl → nascendo videt; et postea natus cst → et postea natus est; in co quod cst illi → in eo quod est illi; sine nile persistere → sine fine persistere; ct dcmonstrat → et demonstrat; in Fi. lin. → in Filio.; Filium gcnuit → Filium genuit.

Topics: Trinity

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Tract. Ev. Jo. 21.4 (PL 35:1565; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-tractatus-ioannem/21-1/#p-21-4). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin of Migne PL 35 (digital text, Open Greek and Latin), then compared batch by batch with the public-domain English of NPNF¹ 7 (Gibb and Innes, 1888); differences checked against the Latin.

21.5PL 35:1565–1567

Et majora his demonstrabit ei opera, ut vos mire­ mini. Rursus hic turbat. Et quis est qui digne per­ scrutetur hoc tantum secretum? Sed jam quoniam nobis loqui dignatus est, ipse aperit. Neque enim vel­ let dicere quod nollet intelligi: quia dicere dignatus est, sine dubio excitavit audientiam; numquid quem excitavit ut audiret, excitatum deserit? Diximus, ut potuimus, non temporaliter scire Filium, nec aliud esse Filii scientiam, aliud ipsum Filium; et aliud esse Filii visionem, et aliud ipsum Filium: sed ipsam visionem esse Filium, et ipsam scientiam vel sapientiam Patris esse Filium, eamque sapientiam et eam visionem æter­ nam esse ab æterno, et ei a quo est coaeternam; nec ibi per tempus aliquid variari; nec aliquid nasci quod non erat; nec aliquid perire quod erat. Diximus, ut potuimus. Quid ergo hic modo facit tempus, ut di­ ceret, majora his demonstrabit ei opera? id est de­ monstraturus est, hoc est demonstrabit. Aliud est demonstravit, aliud est demonstrabit: demonstravit, de præterito dicimus; demonstrabit, de futuro dici­ mus. Quid ergo hic agimus, fratres? Ecce quem dixe­ ramus Patri coæternum, nihil in illo variari per tempus, nihil moveri per spatia vel momentorum vel locorum, manere semper cum Patre videntem, videntem Pa­ trem et videndo existentem, rursus nobis tempora no­ minans, demonstrabit ei, inquit, his majora. Ergo de­ monstraturus est adhuc aliquid Filio, quod non novit Filius? Quid ergo facimus? quomodo hoc intelligimus? Ecce Dominus noster Jesus Christus sursum erat, deor­ sum est. Quando sursum erat? Quando dixit, Quæcum­ que facit Pater, hæc eadem et Filius facit similiter. Unde modo deorsum? Majora his demonstrabit ei opera. O Domine Jesu Christe, salvator noster, Verbum Dei per quod facta sunt omnia, quid tibi Pater demonstraturus est quod adhuc nescis? quid te latet Patris? quid te latet in Patre, quem non latet Pater? quæ opera tibi majora demonstraturus est? aut quibus operibus ma­ jora sunt quæ demonstraturus est? Cum enim dixit, majora his, debemus prius intelligere quibus majora.

“And greater works than these will he show him, that you may marvel.” Here again he unsettles us. And who is there who can worthily search out so great a secret? But since he has deigned to speak to us, he himself opens it. For he would not want to say what he did not want to be understood; since he deigned to speak, he has without doubt roused our hearing; will he desert, once roused, the one he roused to hear? We said, as best we could, that the Son does not know in time, and that the Son's knowledge is not one thing and the Son himself another, and the Son's seeing one thing and the Son himself another; but that the seeing itself is the Son, and the knowledge or wisdom of the Father itself is the Son, and that this wisdom and this seeing are eternal from eternity, and coeternal with him from whom it is; and that nothing there varies through time, nothing is born that was not, nothing perishes that was. We said it as best we could. What, then, is time doing here now, that he should say, “Greater works than these will he show him”? That is, he is going to show; this is “he will show.” “He has shown” is one thing, “he will show” another: “he has shown” we say of the past, “he will show” we say of the future. What, then, are we doing here, brothers? See, the one whom we had called coeternal with the Father, in whom nothing varies through time, nothing moves through intervals either of moments or of places, who abides always with the Father seeing, seeing the Father and existing by seeing—again naming times to us, says, “He will show him greater things than these.” So he is going to show the Son something more that the Son does not know? What, then, do we do? How do we understand this? See, our Lord Jesus Christ was above; he is below. When was he above? When he said, “Whatever the Father does, these same things the Son also does likewise.” Why is he now below? “Greater works than these will he show him.” O Lord Jesus Christ, our Savior, Word of God through whom all things were made, what is the Father going to show you that you do not yet know? What of the Father is hidden from you? What is hidden from you in the Father, from whom the Father is not hidden? What greater works is he going to show you? Or than what works are the ones he is going to show greater? For when he said “greater than these,” we ought first to understand greater than what.

John 5:20 (quotation, high confidence) · John 5:19 (quotation, high confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: Since the Son's knowledge is eternal and is the Son himself, the future “he will show” raises the question how anything could be shown to him in time.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR slip; stray mark in the digital text; words run together in the digital text): scruLetur → scrutetur; Nequc enim → Neque enim; audicntiam → audientiam; nor temporaliter scire Filium, nee aliud → non temporaliter scire Filium, nec aliud; el ipsam scientiam vel sapicnliam → et ipsam scientiam vel sapientiam; cam visionem → eam visionem; ct ei a quo est coaeternam; nee ibi → et ei a quo est coaeternam; nec ibi; non erat;.nec aliquid perire quod crat → non erat; nec aliquid perire quod erat; hoc cst demonstrabit → hoc est demonstrabit; dcmonstrabit, de futuro → demonstrabit, de futuro; in illovariari → in illo variari; ■ Ecce → Ecce; Quandosursum → Quando sursum; demomtrabit → demonstrabit; Chrislc → Christe.

Topics: Trinity, Christology

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Tract. Ev. Jo. 21.5 (PL 35:1565–1567; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-tractatus-ioannem/21-1/#p-21-5). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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21.6PL 35:1567

Recordemur unde sermo iste processit. Quando curatus est ille qui triginta et octo annos habebat in infirmitate, et jussit eum salvum tollere grabatum suum, et ire in domum suam. Hinc enim Judæi com­ moti, cum quibus loquebatur: loquebatur verbis, et tacebat intellectu; quodammodo innuebat intelligen­ tibus, celabat irascentibus: hinc ergo cum essent commoti Judæi, quia hoc sabbato Dominus faceret, dederunt occasionem sermoni huic. Non ergo sic au­ diamus hæc tanquam obliti quæ supra dicta sunt, sed respiciamus illum languidum triginta et octo annorum subito factum sanum, admirantibus Judæis et ira­ scentibus. Quærebant tenebras magis de sabbato, quam lumen de miraculo. His ergo indignantibus lo­ quens, ait hoc, Majora his demonstrabit ei opera. His majora: quibus? Quod vidistis hominem factum sa­ num, cujus languor duraverat usque ad triginta et octo annos, his majora Pater demonstraturus est Fi­ lio. Quæ sunt majora? Sequitur, et dicit: Sicut enim Pater suscitat mortuos et vivificat, sic et Filius quos vult vivificat. Plane majora sunt ista. Valde enim plus est ut resurgat mortuus, quam ut convalescat ægrotus: majora sunt ista. Sed quando ea Pater demonstratu­ rus est Filio? Nescit enim ea Filius? et ille qui loque­ batur, non noverat mortuos suscitare? adhuc habebat discere resuscitare mortuos, per quem facta sunt omnia? qui fecit ut viveremus, qui non eramus, adhuc habebat discere ut resuscitaremur? Quid est ergo quod vult dicere?.

Let us recall where this discourse came from. It was when that man who had been thirty-eight years in his infirmity was cured, and he bade him, made whole, take up his bed and go to his house. For from this the Jews with whom he was speaking were stirred up. He was speaking in words and keeping silent in meaning; in a way he was hinting to those who understood and concealing from those who were angry. So from this, since the Jews were stirred up because the Lord did this on the sabbath, they gave occasion to this discourse. Let us not, then, hear these things as if we had forgotten what was said above, but let us look back at that man, sick for thirty-eight years, suddenly made whole, while the Jews marveled and were angry. They were seeking darkness from the sabbath rather than light from the miracle. Speaking, then, to these indignant men, he said this: “Greater works than these will he show him.” Greater than these: than which? Because you have seen a man made whole whose sickness had lasted thirty-eight years, the Father is going to show the Son greater things than these. What are the greater things? He goes on and says: “For as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, so the Son also gives life to whom he will.” These are plainly greater. For it is much more that the dead should rise than that the sick should recover: these are greater. But when is the Father going to show them to the Son? Does the Son not know them? And he who was speaking—did he not know how to raise the dead? Did he through whom all things were made still have to learn to raise the dead? Did he who caused us to live, when we did not exist, still have to learn how we are to be raised? What, then, does he mean?

John 5:5 (allusion, high confidence) · John 5:8 (allusion, high confidence) · John 5:20 (quotation, high confidence) · John 5:21 (quotation, high confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: The “greater works” are greater than the healing of the man sick for thirty-eight years, namely raising the dead; yet the Son did not need to learn this.

  • John 5:5–16 and 5:21 are drawn on.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR slip; stray mark in the digital text): cnralus → curatus; domum suain → domum suam; cominoli Judxi, quia hoc sabbato Dominus facercl → commoti Judæi, quia hoc sabbato Dominus faceret; dicta suut → dicta sunt; ti iginta ct octo annorum subito factum sanum, admirantibus Judxis → triginta et octo annorum subito factum sanum, admirantibus Judæis; Ilis ergo → His ergo; Uia majora → His majora; duravcrat → duraverat; Fi­ lia. Qua; sunt → Fi­ lio. Quæ sunt; varificat. Plane majora suut → vivificat. Plane majora sunt; loquo­ batur → loque­ batur; per quem. facta → per quem facta.

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Tract. Ev. Jo. 21.6 (PL 35:1567; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-tractatus-ioannem/21-1/#p-21-6). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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21.7PL 35:1567

Descendit enim ad nos, et qui paulo ante loque­ batur ut Deus, cœpit loqui ut homo. Ipse est tamen homo qui Deus, quia Deus factus est homo: sed fa­ ctus quod non erat, non amittens quod erat. Ergo accessit homo Deo, ut esset homo qui erat Deus, non ut jam homo esset, et non esset Deus. Audiamus ergo eum et fratrem, qui audiebamus conditorem: conditorem, quia Verbum in principio; fratrem, quia natum ex virgine Maria: conditorem ante Abraham, ante Adam, ante terram, ante coelum, ante omnia corporalia et spiritualia; fratrem autem ex se­ mine Abrahae, ex tribu Juda, ex Virgine Israeli­ tica. Si ergo novimus hunc, qui nobis loquitur, et Deum et hominem, intelligamus verba Dei et hominis: aliquando enim talia nobis dicit quæ pertineant ad majestatem, aliquando quae pertineant ad humilita­ tem. Ipse enim excelsus, qui humilis ut nos humiles. faciat excelsos. Quid ergo ait? Demonstrabit mihi Pater his majora, ut vos miremini. Ergo nobis est de­ monstraturus, non illi. Cum ergo nobis sit demon­ straturus Pater; propterea dixit, ut vos miremini. Exposuit enim quod voluit dicere, Demonstrabit mihi Pater. Quare non dixit, Demonstrabit vobis Pater; sed, demonstrabit Filio? Quia et nos membra sumus Filii; et nos membra tanquam quod discimus, ipse discit quodammodo in membris suis. Quomodo discit in nobis? Quomodo patitur in nobis. Unde probamus quia patitur in nobis? Ex illa voce de coelo: Saule, Saule, quid me persequeris? Nonne ipse est qui judex in fine sæculi residebit, et justos ad dexteram ponens, iniquos autem ad sinistram, dictu­ rus est, Venite, benedicti Patris mei, percipite regnum: esurivi enim, et dedistis mihi manducare? cumque illi responderint, Domine, quando te vidimus esurientem? dicturus est eis, Cum uni ex minimis meis dedistis mihi dedistis. Qui ergo dixit, Cum uni ex minimis meis dedistis, mihi dedistis; et nunc interrogetur a nobis, et dicamus illi, Domine, quando eris discens, cum tu doceas omnia? Statim enim nobis in fide nostra respondet, Cum unus ex minimis meis discit, ego disco.

For he came down to us, and he who a little before was speaking as God began to speak as man. Yet he who is man is the same who is God, because God became man; but he became what he was not without losing what he was. So man was added to God, that he might be man who was God, not so that he would now be man and not be God. Let us hear him, then, as a brother too, we who were hearing the Creator: Creator, because he is the Word in the beginning; brother, because he was born of the Virgin Mary; Creator before Abraham, before Adam, before the earth, before the heaven, before all things bodily and spiritual; but brother from the seed of Abraham, from the tribe of Judah, from an Israelite virgin. If, then, we know him who speaks to us to be both God and man, let us understand the words of God and of man; for sometimes he says things to us that belong to his majesty, sometimes things that belong to his humility. For he is exalted who is humble, so that he may make us, who are humble, exalted. What, then, does he say? “The Father will show me greater things than these, that you may marvel.” So he is going to show them to us, not to him. Since, then, the Father is going to show them to us, he therefore said, “that you may marvel.” For he explained what he meant by “The Father will show me.” Why did he not say, “The Father will show you,” but “he will show the Son”? Because we too are members of the Son; and what we, as members, learn, he himself in a way learns in his members. How does he learn in us? As he suffers in us. From where do we prove that he suffers in us? From that voice from heaven: “Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting me?” Is it not he who will sit as judge at the end of the world, and setting the righteous on the right and the wicked on the left, will say, “Come, blessed of my Father, receive the kingdom; for I was hungry and you gave me to eat”? And when they answer, “Lord, when did we see you hungry?” he will say to them, “When you gave to one of my least ones, you gave to me.” Let him, then, who said, “When you gave to one of my least ones, you gave to me,” be asked by us now, and let us say to him, “Lord, when will you be a learner, since you teach all things?” At once he answers us in our faith: “When one of my least ones learns, I learn.”

John 1:1 (allusion, high confidence) · John 8:58 (allusion, medium confidence) · John 5:20 (quotation, high confidence) · Acts 9:4 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 25:33 (allusion, high confidence) · Matt 25:34 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 25:35 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 25:37 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 25:40 (quotation, high confidence)

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Summary: Christ, God and man, speaks sometimes in majesty and sometimes in humility; the Father shows the greater works to Christ's members, in whom he learns as he suffers in them.

  • Augustine paraphrases John 5:20 in the first person (“will show me”). Acts 9:4 and Matt 25:34–40 are quoted; “before Abraham” recalls John 8:58.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR slip): loqtic­ batur → loque­ batur; accessit homo Dco → accessit homo Deo; ante coetum → ante coelum; peruneant → pertineant; qui bumilis → qui humilis; mihi l'ater → mihi Pater; ut vas miremini → ut vos miremini; Exposuit euim → Exposuit enim; sca, demonstrabit → sed, demonstrabit; Uude probamus → Unde probamus; csurivi enim, ct dedistis → esurivi enim, et dedistis; eris a discens → eris discens; uDus → unus.

Topics: Christology

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Tract. Ev. Jo. 21.7 (PL 35:1567; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-tractatus-ioannem/21-1/#p-21-7). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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21.8PL 35:1567–1569

Ergo gratulemur et agamus gratias, non solum nos christianos factos esse, sed Christum. Intelligitis, fratres, gratiam Dei super nos capitis? Admiramini, gaudete, Christus facti sumus. Si enim caput ille, nos membra; totus homo, ille et nos. Hoc est quod apo­ stolus dicit Paulus: Ut ultra jam non simus parvuli, jactati et circumdati omni vento doctrinæ. Superius au­ tem dixerat: Donec occurramus omnes in unitatem fidei, et in agnitionem Filii Dei, in virum perfectum in mensuram ætatis plenitudinis Christi. Plenitudo ergo Christi, caput et membra. Quid est, caput et membra? Christus et Ecclesia. Arrogaremus enim nobis hoc superbe, nisi ipse dignaretur hoc promittere, qui per apostolum eumdem dicit: Vos autem estis corpus Christi et membra.

Let us, then, rejoice and give thanks that we have been made not only Christians but Christ. Do you understand, brothers, do you grasp the grace of God upon us? Marvel, rejoice: we have been made Christ. For if he is the head, we are the members; the whole man is he and we. This is what the apostle Paul says: “That we may no longer be children, tossed about and carried around by every wind of doctrine.” But above he had said: “Until we all meet in the unity of faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God, in a perfect man, in the measure of the age of the fullness of Christ.” The fullness of Christ, then, is head and members. What is head and members? Christ and the church. For we would be arrogating this to ourselves proudly, unless he himself deigned to promise it, who says through the same apostle: “But you are the body of Christ and its members.”

Eph 4:14 (quotation, high confidence) · Eph 4:13 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Cor 12:27 (quotation, high confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: Believers have been made not only Christians but Christ: head and members together are the whole Christ.

  • Eph 4:14, 4:13, and 1 Cor 12:27 are quoted. This is Augustine's teaching on the whole Christ (Christus totus), head and body.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR slip): gratiam Dci → gratiam Dei; ille, nus membra; lotus homo → ille, nos membra; totus homo; Patilus: Ut ultra jam Mon simus parvuli. → Paulus: Ut ultra jam non simus parvuli,; doclrince → doctrinæ; Christi Pleuitudo → Christi. Plenitudo; Ecelesia → Ecclesia.

Topics: Christology

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Tract. Ev. Jo. 21.8 (PL 35:1567–1569; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-tractatus-ioannem/21-1/#p-21-8). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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21.9PL 35:1569

Cum ergo ostendit Pater membris Christi, Chri­ sto ostendit. Fit quoddam miraculum magnum, sed tamen verum: ostenditur Christo quod noverat Chri­ stus, et ostenditur Christo per Christum. Res mira est et magna, sed Scriptura sic loquitur. Contradicturi sumus divinis eloquiis, et non potius intellecturi, et ex ipsius dono ei qui donavit gratias acturi? Quid est quod dixi, demonstratur Christo per Christum? De­ monstratur membris per caput. Ecce vide illud in te: pone te clausis oculis velle aliquid tollere; nescit ma­ nus quo eat, et utique manus tua membrum tuum est, non enim a corpore tuo separata est; aperi ocu­ los, videt jam manus quo eat, demonstrante capite membrum secutum est. Si ergo in te potuit inveniri tale aliquid, ut corpus tuum ostenderet corpori tuo, et per corpus tuum demonstraretur aliquid corpori tuo; noli mirari quia dictum est, demonstratur Chri­ sto per Christum. Demonstrat enim caput ut membra videant, et docet caput ut membra discant: unus ta­ men homo caput et membra. Noluit se separare, sed dignatus est agglutinari. Longe a nobis erat, et mul­ tum longe: quid tam longe, quam conditum et con­ ditor? quid tam longe, quam Deus et homo? quid tam longe, quam justitia et iniquitas? quid tam longe, quam aeternitas et mortalitas? Ecce quam longe erat Verbum in principio Deus apud Deum, per quem facta sunt omnia. Quomodo ergo factus est prope, ut esset quod nos, et nos in illo? Verbum caro factum est, et habitavit in nobis.

When, then, the Father shows something to the members of Christ, he shows it to Christ. A kind of great miracle takes place, yet a true one: there is shown to Christ what Christ knew, and it is shown to Christ through Christ. It is a wonderful and great thing, but Scripture speaks this way. Are we going to contradict the divine utterances, and not rather understand them, and by his own gift give thanks to the one who gave it? What is it that I said: it is shown to Christ through Christ? It is shown to the members through the head. See it in yourself: suppose that with your eyes closed you want to pick something up; your hand does not know where to go, and yet your hand is your member, for it is not separated from your body; open your eyes, and now the hand sees where to go: the member has followed as the head showed the way. If, then, something like this could be found in you, that your body showed something to your body, and something was shown to your body through your body, do not marvel that it is said, it is shown to Christ through Christ. For the head shows, that the members may see; and the head teaches, that the members may learn; yet head and members are one man. He did not wish to separate himself, but deigned to be joined to us. He was far from us, very far: what is so far apart as the made and the Maker? What so far apart as God and man? What so far apart as justice and iniquity? What so far apart as eternity and mortality? See how far away was the Word, in the beginning God with God, through whom all things were made. How, then, did he come near, so as to be what we are, and we in him? “The Word was made flesh and dwelt among us.”

John 1:1 (allusion, high confidence) · John 1:3 (allusion, high confidence) · John 1:14 (quotation, high confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: What is shown to Christ's members is shown to Christ through Christ, as the head guides the hand; the distant Word came near by becoming flesh.

  • John 1:1–3 and 1:14 are quoted.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR slip; words run together in the digital text): sed tamen vcrum → sed tamen verum; Quid est qnod dixi → Quid est quod dixi; aper i ocu­ los, videt jam manus quo cat → aperi ocu­ los, videt jam manus quo eat; quid tamlonge → quid tam longe.

Topics: Christology

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Tract. Ev. Jo. 21.9 (PL 35:1569; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-tractatus-ioannem/21-1/#p-21-9). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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21.10PL 35:1569

Hoc ergo est nobis demonstraturus: hoc de­ monstravit discipulis suis, qui eum in carne viderunt. Quid est hoc? Sicut Pater suscitat mortuos et vivificat; sic et Filius quos vult vivificat. Aliosne Pater, aliosne Filius? Certe omnia per ipsum facta sunt. Quid dici­ mus, fratres mei? Lazarum suscitavit Christus: quem mortuum suscitavit Pater, ut videret Christus quem­ admodum Lazarum suscitaret? An quando resusci­ tavit Lazarum Christus, non eum resuscitavit Pater, et sine Patre fecit Filius solus? Legite ipsam lectio­ nem, et videte quia Patrem ibi invocat ut resurgat Lazarus. Sicut homo, invocat Patrem: sicut Deus, facit cum Patre. Ergo et Lazarus qui re­ surrexit, et a Patre et a Filio suscitatus est in dono et gratia Spiritus sancti; et illud mirabile opus Tri­ nitas fecit. Non ergo sic intelligamus, Sicut Pater sus­ citat mortuos et vivificat, sic et Filius quos vult vivifi­ cat, ut alios a Patre resuscitari et vivificari, alios a Filio existimemus: sed eosdem quos Pater suscitat et vivificat, ipsos et Filius suscitat et vivificat; quia omnia per ipsum facta sunt, et sine ipso factum est ni­ hil. Et ut ostenderet habere se quamvis a Patre da­ tam, tamen parem potestatem, ideo ait, Sic et Filius quos vult vivificat, ut ostenderet ibi voluntatem suam: et ne quis diceret, Suscitat Pater mortuos per Filium, sed ille tanquam potens, tanquam po­ testatem habens, iste tanquam ex aliena potestate, tanquam minister facit aliquid, sicut angelus; potesta­ tem significavit ubi ait, Sic et Filius quos vult vivificat. Non enim vult Pater aliud quam Filius; sed sicut illis una substantia, sic et una voluntas est.

This, then, is what he is going to show us; this he showed to his disciples, who saw him in the flesh. What is this? “As the Father raises the dead and gives them life, so the Son also gives life to whom he will.” Some, then, the Father, and others the Son? Certainly all things were made through him. What do we say, my brothers? Christ raised Lazarus: what dead man did the Father raise, that Christ might see how to raise Lazarus? Or when Christ raised Lazarus, did the Father not raise him, and did the Son act alone without the Father? Read the passage itself, and see that he calls upon the Father there so that Lazarus may rise. As man, he calls upon the Father; as God, he acts with the Father. So Lazarus too, who rose again, was raised both by the Father and by the Son, in the gift and grace of the Holy Spirit; and the Trinity did that wonderful work. Let us not, then, understand “As the Father raises the dead and gives them life, so the Son also gives life to whom he will” in such a way as to think that some are raised and given life by the Father, others by the Son; but the very same whom the Father raises and gives life, the Son also raises and gives life, because “all things were made through him, and without him nothing was made.” And to show that he has a power equal, though given by the Father, he therefore says, “So the Son also gives life to whom he will,” to show his will there; and so that no one should say, “The Father raises the dead through the Son, but the Father as the one who is mighty, as the one who has the power, the Son as acting by another's power, doing something as a minister, like an angel,” he signified his power when he said, “So the Son also gives life to whom he will.” For the Father does not will anything other than the Son does; but as they have one substance, so they have one will.

John 5:21 (quotation, high confidence) · John 1:3 (quotation, high confidence) · John 11:41 (allusion, high confidence) · John 11:43 (allusion, high confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: The raising of Lazarus was the work of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit together; “to whom he will” shows that the Son has equal power and one will with the Father.

  • John 5:21, John 1:3, and John 11:41–44 are drawn on.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR slip): boc de­ monstravit → hoc de­ monstravit; fraires mei? Lazarum suscitavit Christus: qucm mortuum suscitavit Pater, ut vidcret → fratres mei? Lazarum suscitavit Christus: quem mortuum suscitavit Pater, ut videret; rcsusci­ tavit → resusci­ tavit; vidcte → videte; imocat → invocat; factum eat ni­ hil → factum est ni­ hil; lameD → tamen; ubi ail, Sic et Filius quoa → ubi ait, Sic et Filius quos.

Topics: Trinity

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Tract. Ev. Jo. 21.10 (PL 35:1569; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-tractatus-ioannem/21-1/#p-21-10). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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21.11PL 35:1569

Et qui sunt isti mortui quos vivificat Pater et Filius? An ipsi sunt de quibus diximus, Lazarus, vel filius illius viduae, vel filia archi­ synagogi? novimus enim istos a Chri­ sto Domino suscitatos. Aliud aliquid nobis vult insi­ nuare, resurrectionem scilicet mortuorum, quam omnes exspectamus; non illam quam quidam habue­ runt, ut crederent cæteri. Resurrexit enim Lazarus moriturus, resurgemus nos semper victuri. Talem re­ surrectionem Pater facit, an Filius? imo vero Pater in Filio. Ergo Filius, et Pater in Filio. Unde proba­ mus quia de ista dicit resurrectione? Cum dixisset, Sicut enim Pater suscitat mortuos et vivificat, sic et Fi­ lius quos vult vivificat; ne intelligeremus illam mor­ tuorum resurrectionem quam facit ad miraculum, non ad vitam aeternam, secutus ait, Neque enim Pater ju­ dicat quemquam, sed omne judicium dedit Filio. Quid hoc est? De mortuorum resurrectione dicebat, quia sicut Pater suscitat mortuos et vivificat, sic et Filius quos vult vivificat: unde continuo tanquam rationem subje­ cit de judicio, dicens, Neque enim Pater judicat quem­ quam, sed omne judicium dedit Filio, nisi quia de illa resurrectione mortuorum dixerat, quae futura est in judicio?

And who are these dead whom the Father and the Son give life? Are they the ones we spoke of, Lazarus, or the widow's son, or the daughter of the ruler of the synagogue? For we know that these were raised by Christ the Lord. He wishes to make known to us something else, namely the resurrection of the dead that we all await; not the one that certain people had so that others might believe. For Lazarus rose to die again; we shall rise to live for ever. Does the Father bring about such a resurrection, or the Son? Rather, the Father in the Son. Therefore the Son, and the Father in the Son. How do we prove that he speaks of this resurrection? After saying, “For as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, so the Son also gives life to whom he will,” so that we should not understand the resurrection of the dead that he performs as a miracle, not for eternal life, he went on to say, “For the Father judges no one, but has given all judgment to the Son.” What is this? He was speaking of the resurrection of the dead, that “as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, so the Son also gives life to whom he will”: why did he at once add, as a reason, something about judgment, saying, “For the Father judges no one, but has given all judgment to the Son,” unless because he had spoken of that resurrection of the dead which is to take place at the judgment?

John 5:21 (quotation, high confidence) · John 5:22 (quotation, high confidence) · John 11:43 (allusion, high confidence) · Luke 7:15 (allusion, high confidence) · Mark 5:42 (allusion, high confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: The dead whom Father and Son give life are not those raised as miracles, but all who will rise to eternal life at the final judgment.

  • Lazarus (John 11), the widow's son (Luke 7:11–17), and Jairus's daughter (Mark 5:22–43) are recalled.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR slip): An ipsi suut → An ipsi sunt; illa rcsurrectione → illa resurrectione.

Topics: Eschatology, Trinity

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Tract. Ev. Jo. 21.11 (PL 35:1569; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-tractatus-ioannem/21-1/#p-21-11). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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21.12PL 35:1569–1571

Neque enim, ait, Pater judicat quemquam, sed omne judicium dedit Filio. Paulo ante putabamus ali­ quid facere Patrem, quod non facit Filius; quando di­ cebat, Pater enim diligit Filium, et omnia demonstrat ei quœ ipse facit: tanquam Pater faciebat, et Filius videbat. Sic erat subrepens menti nostrae intelle­ ctus carnalis, quasi Pater faceret quod Filius non faceret; Filius autem videret Patrem demonstrantem quod fieret a Patre. Ergo velut Pater faciebat quod Filius non faciebat; modo jam videmus aliquid facere Filium, quod non facit Pater. Quomodo nos versat, et mentem nostram pertractat; huc atque illuc ducit, uno carnis loco remanere non sinit, ut versando exer­ ceat, exercendo mundet, mundando capaces reddat, capaces factos impleat! Quid de nobis faciunt verba hæc? quid loquebatur? quid loquitur? Paulo ante di­ cebat quia demonstrat Filio Pater quidquid facit; vi­ debam quasi Patrem facientem, Filium exspectantem: modo rursus video Filium facientem, Patrem vacan­ tem: Non enim Pater judicat quemquam sed omne ju­ dicium dedit Filio. Quando ergo Filius judicaturus est, Pater vacabit et non judicabit? Quid est hoc? quid in­ telligam? Domine, quid dicis? Verbum Deus es, homo sum. Dicis quia Pater non judicat quemquam, sed omne judicium dedit Filio? Lego alio loco te dicentem, Ego non judico quemquam; est qui quærat et judicet: de quo dicis, Est qui quœrat et judicet, nisi de Patre? Ille quærit injurias tuas, ille judicat de injuriis tuis. Quomodo hic Pater non judicat quemquam, sed omne judicium dedit Filio? Interrogemus et Pe­ trum, audiamus eum loquentem in Epistola sua: Chri­ stus pro nobis passus est, inquit, relinquens nobis exem­ plum, ut sequamur vestigia ejus: qui peccatum non fe­ cit, nec dolus inventus est in ore ejus; qui cum maledice­ retur, non remaledicebat, cum injuriam acciperet, non minabatur, sed commendabat illi qui juste judicat, Quomodo verum est quia Pater non judicat quemquam, sed omne judicium dedit Filio? Turbamur hic, turbati desudemus, desudantes purgemur. Cone­ mur utcumque, donante ipso, penetrare alta secreta verborum istorum. Temere fortasse facimus, quia dis­ cutere et scrutari volumus verba Dei. Et quare dicta sunt, nisi ut sciantur? quare sonuerunt, nisi ut au­ diantur? quare audita sunt, nisi ut intelligantur? Con­ fortet ergo nos, et donet nobis aliquid quantum ipse dignatur; et si nondum penetramus ad fontem, de ri­ vulo bibamus. Ecce ipse Joannes nobis tanquam rivu­ lus emanavit, perduxit ad nos de alto Verbum, humi­ liavit, et quodammodo stravit, ut non horreamus al­ tum, sed accedamus ad humilem.

“For the Father,” he says, “judges no one, but has given all judgment to the Son.” A little before, we thought that the Father does something that the Son does not do, when he said, “For the Father loves the Son, and shows him all things that he himself does”—as if the Father were doing and the Son watching. So a carnal understanding was creeping into our minds, as though the Father did what the Son did not do, while the Son watched the Father showing what was done by the Father. So it was as if the Father did what the Son did not do; now we see the Son doing something that the Father does not do. How he turns us about and works over our minds! He leads us this way and that; he does not let us stay in one place of the flesh, so that by turning us he may exercise us, by exercising cleanse us, by cleansing make us capable, and when we are made capable, fill us. What do these words make of us? What was he saying? What is he saying? A little before, he was saying that the Father shows the Son whatever he does: I was seeing, as it were, the Father doing and the Son waiting. Now again I see the Son doing and the Father at leisure: “For the Father judges no one, but has given all judgment to the Son.” When the Son is going to judge, then, will the Father be at leisure and not judge? What is this? What am I to understand? Lord, what are you saying? You are the Word, God; I am a man. Do you say that the Father judges no one, but has given all judgment to the Son? I read in another place your saying, “I judge no one; there is one who seeks and judges.” Of whom do you say, “There is one who seeks and judges,” if not of the Father? He seeks out the wrongs done to you, he judges concerning the wrongs done to you. How is it, here, that the Father judges no one, but has given all judgment to the Son? Let us ask Peter too; let us hear him speaking in his letter: “Christ suffered for us,” he says, “leaving us an example, that we should follow in his steps; who committed no sin, nor was guile found in his mouth; who, when he was reviled, did not revile in return; when he suffered wrong, did not threaten, but committed himself to him who judges justly.” How is it true that the Father judges no one, but has given all judgment to the Son? We are troubled here; troubled, let us sweat; sweating, let us be cleansed. Let us try somehow, by his gift, to penetrate the deep secrets of these words. Perhaps we act rashly in wanting to discuss and examine the words of God. And why were they spoken, except to be known? Why did they sound, except to be heard? Why were they heard, except to be understood? Let him strengthen us, then, and give us something, as much as he deigns; and if we do not yet reach the fountain, let us drink from the stream. See, John himself has flowed out to us like a stream; he has brought the Word down to us from on high; he has lowered it and in a way laid it level, so that we may not dread the height but may approach the lowly one.

John 5:22 (quotation, high confidence) · John 5:20 (quotation, high confidence) · John 8:50 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Pet 2:21 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Pet 2:22 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Pet 2:23 (quotation, high confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: “The Father judges no one” seems to contradict texts where the Father judges; Augustine presses the difficulty and asks for understanding.

  • John 5:20, 22, John 8:50, and 1 Pet 2:21–23 are quoted. Augustine's text of John 8:50 is “I judge no one” where the standard Latin reads “I do not seek my own glory.”

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR slip): quemquam, scd omne → quemquam, sed omne; non f;lceret; Filius autem vidcret → non faceret; Filius autem videret; uno car nis loco → uno carnis loco; excr­ ceat → exer­ ceat; vacan­ lent; Nou enim → vacan­ tem: Non enim; quid iu­ telligam → quid in­ telligam; F'ilio → Filio; esi qui quærat → est qui quærat; et ludicet → et judicet; hic Valer non judicatquemquam → hic Pater non judicat quemquam; Epislota → Epistola; nee dolus → nec dolus; pcnetrarc → penetrare; dianlur? quare audita suut → diantur? quare audita sunt; nonduln → nondum; bihamus → bibamus.

Topics: Trinity

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Tract. Ev. Jo. 21.12 (PL 35:1569–1571; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-tractatus-ioannem/21-1/#p-21-12). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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21.13PL 35:1571

Omnino est quidam intellectus verus, fortis, si quo modo eum tenere possumus, quia Pater non judi­ cat quemquam, sed omne judicium dedit Filio. Hoc enim dictum est, quia hominibus in judicio non apparebit nisi Filius. Pater occultus erit, Filius manifestus. In quo erit Filius manifestus? In forma qua ascendit. Nam in forma Dei cum Patre occultus est, in forma servi hominibus manifestus. Non ergo Pater judicat quem­ quam, sed omne judicium dedit Filio, sed manifestum: in quo manifesto judicio Filius judicabit, quia ipse ju­ dicandis apparebit. Evidentius nobis ostendit Scri­ ptura quia ipse apparebit. Quadragesimo die post re­ surrectionem suam ascendit in coelum, videntibus di­ scipulis suis: et vox illis angelica, Viri, inquit, Galilæi, quid statis aspicientes in coelum? Iste qui assumptus est a vobis in caelum, sic veniet quemadmodum vidistis eum euntem in coelum. Quomodo eum videbant ire? In carne, quam tetigerunt, quam palpa­ verunt, cujus etiam cicatrices tangendo probaverunt, in illo corpore in quo cum eis intravit et exivit per quadraginta dies, manifestans se eis in veritate; non in aliqua falsitate: non phantasma, non umbra, non spiritus; sed quemadmodum ipse dixit non fallens, Palpate, et videte, quia spiritus carnem et ossa non ha­ bet, sicut me videtis habere. Est quidem illud jam corpus dignum cœlesti habitatione, non sub­ jacens morti, non mutabile per ætates. Non enim sic­ ut ad illam aetatem ab infantia creverat, sic ab aetate quæ juventus erat, vergit in senectutem: manet sicut ascendit, venturus ad eos quibus antequam veniat, verbum suum voluit prædicari. Sic ergo veniet in for­ ma humana: hanc videbunt et impii, videbunt et ad dexteram positi, videbunt et ad sinistram separati; sic­ ut scriptum est, Videbunt in quem pupugerunt. Si videbunt in quem pupuge­ runt, corpus ipsum videbunt, quod lancea percusse­ runt: lancea non percutitur Verbum: hoc ergo im­ pii videre poterunt, quod et vulnerare potuerunt. La­ tentem Deum in corpore non videbant: post judicium videbitur ab his qui ad dexteram erunt. Hoc est ergo quod ait, Pater non judicat quemquam, sed omne judi. cium dedit Filio: quia manifestus ad judicium veniet Filius, in humano corpore apparens hominibus, di­ cens dextris, Venite, benedicti Patris mei, percipite re­ gnum; dicens sinistris, Ite in ignem æternum, qui paratus est diabolo et angelis ejus.

There is indeed a true and firm meaning, if we can somehow hold it, of “The Father judges no one, but has given all judgment to the Son.” For this was said because at the judgment no one will appear to men but the Son. The Father will be hidden, the Son manifest. In what will the Son be manifest? In the form in which he ascended. For in the form of God he is hidden with the Father; in the form of a servant he is manifest to men. So the Father judges no one, but has given all judgment to the Son—that is, the manifest judgment; in this manifest judgment the Son will judge, because he himself will appear to those who are to be judged. Scripture shows us more clearly that he himself will appear. On the fortieth day after his resurrection he ascended into heaven while his disciples watched, and an angel's voice said to them, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into heaven? This one who has been taken up from you into heaven will come in the same way as you saw him going into heaven.” In what way did they see him go? In the flesh, which they touched, which they handled, whose very scars they verified by touching; in that body in which he went in and out with them for forty days, showing himself to them in truth, not in any falsehood: not a phantom, not a shadow, not a spirit; but as he himself said, without deceiving, “Handle me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones, as you see that I have.” That body is now indeed worthy of a heavenly dwelling, not subject to death, not changeable through the ages. For it does not, as it grew from infancy to that age, so verge from the age that was youth into old age: it remains as it ascended, to come to those to whom he willed that his word be preached before he comes. So he will come in human form: this the ungodly will see; those placed on the right will see it; those set apart on the left will see it; as it is written, “They will look on him whom they pierced.” If they will look on him whom they pierced, they will see the very body that they struck with the lance: the Word is not struck with a lance. This, then, the ungodly will be able to see, which they were able to wound. They did not see the God hidden in the body; after the judgment he will be seen by those who will be on the right. This, then, is what he says: “The Father judges no one, but has given all judgment to the Son”: because the Son will come manifest to the judgment, appearing to men in a human body, saying to those on the right, “Come, blessed of my Father, receive the kingdom,” and saying to those on the left, “Depart into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.”

John 5:22 (quotation, high confidence) · Acts 1:3 (allusion, high confidence) · Acts 1:9 (allusion, high confidence) · Acts 1:11 (quotation, high confidence) · John 20:27 (allusion, high confidence) · Luke 24:39 (quotation, high confidence) · John 19:37 (quotation, high confidence) · Zech 12:10 (quotation, medium confidence) · Matt 25:34 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 25:41 (quotation, high confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: The Father “judges no one” because only the Son will appear at the judgment, visibly, in the risen human body in which he ascended.

  • Acts 1:11, Luke 24:39, Zech 12:10 (as in John 19:37), and Matt 25:34, 41 are quoted; the scars recall John 20:27.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR slip): noM judi. cat → non judi­ cat; Hoc euim dictum → Hoc enim dictum; apparcbit → apparebit; Dei cnm Patre → Dei cum Patre; Galilcei → Galilæi; cum videbant ire? Iri carne → eum videbant ire? In carne; in qnem pupuge → in quem pupuge; in­ pii videre potcrunt, quod ct → im­ pii videre poterunt, quod et; qnod ait → quod ait; qui pa. ratus eat → qui paratus est.

Topics: Christology, Eschatology

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Tract. Ev. Jo. 21.13 (PL 35:1571; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-tractatus-ioannem/21-1/#p-21-13). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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