The Conferences 7.28–8.12

Latin text: Petschenig, CSEL 13 (Latin text: Michael Petschenig (CSEL 13, 1886), digitized by Open Greek and Latin, University of Leipzig (csel-dev), CC BY-SA 4.0).English: Claude (claude-opus-5-5), public domain (CC0). Compare: Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers, series 2, vol. 11 (1894).

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Chapter 7

7.28CSEL 13:207

Ex quo manifeste perpenditur non debere eos abominari uel despici, quos uidemus diuersis temptationibus siue istis nequitiae spiritibus tradi, quia duo haec credere inmobiliter nos oportet, primo quod sine dei permissu nullus ab eis omnino temptetur, secundo quod omnia quae a deo nobis inferuntur, siue tristia ad praesens seu laeta uideantur, uelut a piissimo patre clementissimoque medico pro nostris utilitatibus inrogentur, et idcirco eos uelut paedagogis traditos humiliari, ut discedentes ex hoc mundo uel purgatiores ad uitam aliam transferantur uel poena leuiore plectantur, qui secundum apostolum traditi sunt in praesenti Satanae in interitum carnis, ut spiritus saluus fiat in die domini nostri Iesu Christi.

“From this it is plainly judged that those whom we see handed over to various temptations or to these spirits of wickedness ought not to be abhorred or despised. For we must believe immovably these two things: first, that no one at all is tempted by them without God's permission; second, that everything brought upon us by God, whether it seems sad or joyful for the present, is inflicted for our benefit as by a most loving father and a most merciful physician. And therefore they are humbled as though handed over to tutors, so that when they depart this world they may either be transferred more purified to the other life or be punished with a lighter penalty, being, according to the apostle, handed over in the present to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that the spirit may be saved in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.”

1 Cor 5:5 (quotation, high confidence)

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Summary: The possessed must not be despised, since nothing happens without God's permission, and he hands some over to Satan to purify them for salvation.

  • 1 Cor 5:5.

Cite (SBL): Cassian, Conf. 7.28 (CSEL 13:207; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/cassian-conferences/7-28/#p-7-28). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude from Petschenig's Latin text (CSEL 13, 1886); compared afterwards with the NPNF² 11 translation (Gibson, 1894), which omits Conference 22 (checked against the Latin only).

7.29CSEL 13:207

GERMANVS: Et quomodo eos non solum despici ab omnibus uel horreri, sed etiam a communione dominica in nostris prouinciis perpetuo uidemus abstineri secundum illam euangelii sententiam: nolite dare sanctum canibus, neque mittatis margaritas uestras ante porcos, cum de illis quemadmodum dicis ita credendum sit, quod eis purgationis uel utilitatis obtentu huius temptationis humiliatio tribuatur?

Germanus: “And how is it that we see them not only despised and shunned by all, but even kept away permanently from the Lord's communion in our provinces, according to that saying of the Gospel, ‘Do not give what is holy to dogs, nor cast your pearls before swine,’ if we are to believe about them, as you say, that the humiliation of this temptation is given them for purification or benefit?”

Matt 7:6 (quotation, high confidence)

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Summary: Germanus asks why, if possession is purifying, the possessed are excluded from communion in his homeland.

  • Matt 7:6.

Topics: Eucharist

Cite (SBL): Cassian, Conf. 7.29 (CSEL 13:207; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/cassian-conferences/7-28/#p-7-29). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude from Petschenig's Latin text (CSEL 13, 1886); compared afterwards with the NPNF² 11 translation (Gibson, 1894), which omits Conference 22 (checked against the Latin only).

7.30CSEL 13:207–208

SERENVS: Si habuerimus hanc scientiam, immo fidem quam superius conprehendi, ut et omnia per deum fieri et pro utilitate animarum dispensari uniuersa credamus, non solum nequaquam despiciemus eos, sed etiam pro ipsis tamquam pro membris nostris incessanter orabimus eisque totis uisceribus ac pleno conpatiemur adfectu (cum enim patitur unum membrum, conpatiuntur omnia membra), scientes nos absque illis utpote membris nostris omnimodis consummari non posse, quemadmodum legimus ne anteriores quidem nostros sine nobis repromissionis summam consequi potuisse, ita de illis apostolo pronuntiante: et hi omnes testimonio fidei conprobati non acceperunt promissiones, deo pro nobis melius aliquid prouidente, ne sine nobis consummarentur. communionem uero eis sacrosanctam numquam meminimus interdictam: quin immo si possibile esset etiam cotidie eis inpertiri eam debere censebant. nec enim secundum sententiam euangelii, quam incongrue huic sensui coaptastis: nolite dare sanctum canibus, ad daemonis escam sacrosancta communio et non potius ad purgationem ac tutelam corporis animaeque peruenire credenda est. quae ab homine percepta eum qui membris eius insidet spiritum seu in ipsis latitare conatur uelut quodam exurens fugat incendio. hoc namque modo curatum et abbatem Andronicum nuper aspeximus aliosque conplures. magis enim ac magis inimicus insultabit obsesso, cum eum a caelesti medicina uiderit segregatum, tantoque dirius ac frequentius adtemptabit, quanto eum ab spiritali remedio longius senserit abdicatum.

Serenus: “If we have this knowledge, or rather faith, which I set out above, so as to believe that everything is done by God and all is arranged for the benefit of souls, we shall not only never despise them, but shall even pray unceasingly for them as for our own members, and suffer with them with our whole heart and full affection (for when one member suffers, all the members suffer with it), knowing that we cannot be made perfect in any way without them, since they are our members; just as we read that not even those before us could obtain the fullness of the promise without us, as the apostle declares of them: ‘And all these, approved by the testimony of faith, did not receive the promises, God providing something better for us, that they should not be made perfect without us.’ But we do not remember that holy communion was ever forbidden them; on the contrary, they judged that if it were possible it ought to be given them even daily. For, according to the saying of the Gospel which you have unsuitably applied to this meaning, ‘Do not give what is holy to dogs,’ holy communion must not be believed to become food for the demon, but rather to serve for the purification and protection of body and soul. Received by a man, it drives away, as by a kind of burning fire, the spirit that sits in his members or tries to hide in them. In this way we recently saw Abba Andronicus and many others cured. For the enemy will insult the possessed man more and more when he sees him separated from the heavenly medicine, and will attack him the more cruelly and frequently the farther he perceives him cut off from the spiritual remedy.”

1 Cor 12:26 (quotation, high confidence) · Heb 11:39 (quotation, high confidence) · Heb 11:40 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 7:6 (quotation, high confidence)

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Summary: The possessed should be prayed for as fellow members; the Egyptian elders never barred them from communion but would give it daily, since the sacrament drives out the demon.

  • 1 Cor 12:26; Heb 11:39–40. Serenus' teaching that the possessed should receive communion, even daily, contrasts with the practice Germanus describes; translated as written.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (words joined): peruenirecredenda → peruenire credenda.

Topics: Eucharist, Prayer

Cite (SBL): Cassian, Conf. 7.30 (CSEL 13:207–208; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/cassian-conferences/7-28/#p-7-30). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude from Petschenig's Latin text (CSEL 13, 1886); compared afterwards with the NPNF² 11 translation (Gibson, 1894), which omits Conference 22 (checked against the Latin only).

7.31CSEL 13:208–210

Ceterum illi sunt uere miseri ac miserabiles iudicandi, qui cum se uniuersis criminibus flagitiisque contaminent, non solum nullum uisibiliter in eis signum diabolicae subpletionis ostenditur, sed ne aliqua quidem operibus eorum condigna temptatio nec ullum flagellum correptionis infertur. non enim merentur celerem temporis istius expeditamque medicinam, quorum duritia et inpaenitens cor poenam uitae praesentis excedens thesaurizat sibi ipsi iram et indignationem in die irae et reuelationis iusti iudicii dei, in quo uermis eorum non morietur, et ignis eorum non extinguetur. contra quos propheta uelut anxius pro adflictione sanctorum, uidens eos aerumnis uariis ac temptationibus subiacere et e contra peccatores non solum absque ullo humiliationis flagello cursum mundi istius pertransire, sed etiam afluentia diuitiarum ac summa rerum omnium prosperitate gaudere, intolerabili zelo ac spiritus sui ardore succensus exclamat: mei autem paene moti sunt pedes: paulo minus effusi sunt gressus mei. quia zelaui super iniquos, pacem peccatorum uidens. quia non est respectus in morte eorum: nec firmamentum in plaga eorum. in laboribus hominum non sunt, et cum hominibus non flagellabuntur, scilicet in futuro cum daemonibus puniendi, qui in praesenti non meruerunt in sorte ac disciplina filiorum cum hominibus flagellari. Hieremias quoque cum deo super hac impiorum prosperitate disceptans, licet nequaquam dubitare se de iustitia domini profiteatur dicens: iustus quidem tu es domine, si disputem tecum, causas tamen huius tantae inaequalitatis inquirens subiungit et dicit: uerumtamen iusta loquar ad te: quare uia inpiorum prosperatur: bene est omnibus, qui praeuaricantur, et inique agunt? plantasti eos, et miserunt radicem: proficiunt et faciunt fructum. prope es tu ori eorum et longe a renibus eorum. quorum ruinam deflente domino per prophetam et ad eorum curationem medicos atque doctores sollicite dirigente et quodammodo eos ad planctum similem prouocante ac dicente: subito cecidit Babylon, contrita est: ululate super eam, tollite resinam ad dolorem eius, si forte sanetur, respondent desperantes angeli, quibus salutis humanae cura conmissa est, uel certe propheta ex persona apostolorum seu spiritalium uirorum atque doctorum uidentium duritiam mentis eorum et inpaenitens cor: curauimus Babylonem, et non est sanata: relinquamus eam, et eamus unusquisque in terram suam, quoniam peruenit usque ad caelos iudicium eius, et eleuatum est usque ad nubes. de istorum igitur desperato languore ex persona dei loquitur Esaias ad Hierusalem: a planta pedis usque ad uerticem non est in ea sanitas: uulnus, et liuor, et plaga tumens, non est circumligata, nec curata medicamine, nec fota oleo.

“But those are to be judged truly wretched and pitiable who, while they defile themselves with all crimes and sins, not only show no visible sign of diabolical possession, but have no temptation brought on them worthy of their works, nor any scourge of correction. For they do not deserve the quick and ready medicine of this time, whose hardness and impenitent heart, going beyond the punishment of the present life, ‘treasures up for itself wrath and indignation in the day of wrath and of the revelation of the just judgment of God,’ in which ‘their worm will not die, and their fire will not be quenched.’ The prophet, as though distressed at the affliction of the saints, seeing them subject to various hardships and temptations, and on the other hand sinners not only passing through the course of this world without any scourge of humiliation, but even rejoicing in an abundance of riches and the greatest prosperity in everything, is inflamed with unbearable zeal and the ardor of his spirit and cries out: ‘But my feet were almost moved; my steps had well-nigh slipped. For I was jealous of the wicked, seeing the peace of sinners. For there is no regard for their death, nor firmness in their plague. They are not in the labors of men, and they will not be scourged with men’; that is, they will be punished in the future with the demons, who in the present did not deserve to be scourged with men in the lot and discipline of sons. Jeremiah too, disputing with God about this prosperity of the wicked, though he professes that he does not doubt the Lord's justice at all, saying, ‘You are indeed just, O Lord, if I dispute with you,’ yet, asking the causes of so great an inequality, adds: ‘Yet I will speak just things to you: Why does the way of the wicked prosper? It is well with all who transgress and act wickedly. You planted them, and they took root; they grow and bear fruit. You are near their mouth and far from their reins.’ When the Lord laments their ruin through the prophet and anxiously sends physicians and teachers to heal them, and in a way calls them to a similar lament, saying, ‘Babylon has suddenly fallen and been crushed; wail over her, take balm for her pain, if perhaps she may be healed,’ the angels, to whom the care of human salvation has been entrusted, answer in despair, or else the prophet in the person of the apostles or spiritual men and teachers, seeing the hardness of their mind and their impenitent heart: ‘We have tried to heal Babylon, and she is not healed; let us leave her and let us go each to his own land, because her judgment has reached to the heavens and been lifted up to the clouds.’ Of their hopeless sickness Isaiah speaks to Jerusalem in the person of God: ‘From the sole of the foot to the top of the head there is no soundness in her: wounds and bruises and swelling sores; they are not bound up, nor treated with medicine, nor soothed with oil.’”

Rom 2:5 (quotation, high confidence) · Mark 9:48 (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 73:2 (72:2 LXX) (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 73:3 (72:3 LXX) (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 73:4 (72:4 LXX) (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 73:5 (72:5 LXX) (quotation, high confidence) · Jer 12:1 (quotation, high confidence) · Jer 12:2 (quotation, high confidence) · Jer 51:8 (28:8 LXX) (quotation, high confidence) · Jer 51:9 (28:9 LXX) (quotation, high confidence) · Isa 1:6 (quotation, high confidence)

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Summary: The truly wretched are sinners who suffer no chastisement in this life, for they are storing up wrath; the Psalms, Jeremiah, and Isaiah lament such incurable prosperity.

  • Rom 2:5; Mark 9:48 (Isa 66:24); Ps 73:2–5 (72:2–5 LXX); Jer 12:1–2; Jer 51:8–9 (28:8–9 LXX); Isa 1:6.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR slip; OCR slips): expeditamque medioinam → expeditamque medicinam; spiritus sui more succensus → spiritus sui ardore succensus; ad planctum similem pronocante → ad planctum similem prouocante; uel certe propheta ea persona → uel certe propheta ex persona; in terram suamrquoniam pernenit → in terram suam, quoniam peruenit.

Topics: Eschatology

Cite (SBL): Cassian, Conf. 7.31 (CSEL 13:208–210; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/cassian-conferences/7-28/#p-7-31). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude from Petschenig's Latin text (CSEL 13, 1886); compared afterwards with the NPNF² 11 translation (Gibson, 1894), which omits Conference 22 (checked against the Latin only).

7.32CSEL 13:210–213

Tot autem esse in inmundis spiritibus quot in hominibus studia non dubie conprobatur. nam nonnullos eorum, quos etiam Planos uulgus appellat, ita seductores et ioculares esse manifestum est, ut certa quaeque loca seu uias iugiter obsidentes nequaquam tormentis eorum quos praetereuntes potuerint decipere delectentur, sed derisu tantummodo et inlusione contenti fatigare eos potius studeant quam nocere: quosdam solummodo innocuis incubationibus hominum pernoctare, alios ita esse furori ac truculentiae deditos, ut non sint contenti illorum tantummodo corpora quos subpleuerint atroci dilaceratione uexare, sed etiam inruere super eminus transeuntes atque adficere illos saeuissima caede festinent: quales illi in euangelio describuntur, ob quorum metum per illam uiam transire iam nullus audebat. quos eorumque consimiles bellis quoque et sanguinis effusione pro insatiabili ferocitate gaudere non dubium est. alios ita eorum corda quos ceperant inani quodam tumore uidemus infecisse, quos etiam Bacuceos uulgus appellat, ut semet ipsos ultra proceritatem sui corporis erigentes nunc quidem se in quosdam fastus gestusque sustollerent, nunc uero uelut adclines ad quendam se tranquillitatis et adfabilitatis statum communes blandosque submitterent, seseque uelut inlustres et circumspectabiles omnibus aestimantes nunc quidem adorare se potestates sublimiores corporis inflexione monstrarent, nunc uero ab aliis se crederent adorari et omnes motus, quibus uera officia aut superbe aut humiliter peraguntur, explerent. alios repperimus non solum studere mendaciis, sed etiam blasphemias hominibus inspirare. cuius rei etiam nos testes sumus, qui audiuimus apertissime daemonem confitentem per Arrium et Eunomium se impietatem sacrilegi dogmatis edidisse. quod etiam in quarto Regnorum libro unum ex isdem ipsis manifeste legimus praedicantem: egrediar, inquit, et ero spiritus mendax in ore omnium prophetarum eius. de quibus apostolus, arguens illos qui ab ipsis decipiuntur, ita infert: adtendentes spiritibus seductoribus et doctrinis daemoniorum, in hypocrisi loquentium mendacium. esse autem et alia daemonum genera, id est mutorum atque surdorum, euangelia testantur. incentores etiam libidinis atque luxuriae quosdam spiritus esse propheta conmemorat spiritus, inquiens, fornicationis decepit eos, et fornicati sunt a deo suo. nocturnos quoque siue diurnos ac meridianos daemonas similiter scripturarum auctoritas docet. de quorum diuersitate perlongum est si uolumus omnia scripturarum uolumina perscrutantes singillatim percurrere, qui per prophetam onocentauri, qui pilosi, quae sirenae, quae lamiae, quae ululae, qui strathiones, qui hericii designentur, qui aspis, qui basiliscus in psalmo, qui leo, qui draco, quiue scorpios in euangelio nuncupetur, qui princeps mundi huius, qui rectores harum tenebrarum quaeue spiritalia nequitiae ab apostolo nominentur. quae uocabula non casu nec fortuito indita illis debemus accipere, sed significatione istarum ferarum, quae apud nos uel minus noxiae uel magis perniciosae sunt, illorum ferocitatem rabiesque distingui et ex similitudine nequitiae uirulentae seu principatus, quem istis inter ceteras feras siue serpentes quaedam excellentia malitiae suae confert, illos quoque eorum uocabulis nuncupari, ut scilicet alius quidem ob uehementiam furoris et rabiem ferocitatis suae leonis appellationem, alius basilisci ob illud mortiferum uirus quod priusquam sentiatur interimit, alius uero ob teporem malitiae suae onocentauri aut hericii nomen struthionisue sortitus sit.

“That there are as many pursuits among the unclean spirits as among men is proved without doubt. For it is plain that some of them, whom the people also call Plani, are such deceivers and jesters that, continually besetting particular places or roads, they take no delight at all in the torments of those passers-by whom they manage to deceive, but, content only with mockery and illusion, they try to tire them rather than harm them. Some only spend the night with men by harmless lying upon them. Others are so given to fury and savagery that they are not content to torment the bodies of those they have filled with cruel tearing, but hasten to rush upon those passing at a distance and inflict the most savage slaughter on them: such are those described in the Gospel, for fear of whom no one dared any longer to pass by that way. These, and those like them, no doubt rejoice in wars and the shedding of blood because of their insatiable ferocity. Others, whom the people also call Bacucei, we see have so infected the hearts of those they seized with a kind of empty swelling that, raising themselves beyond the height of their bodies, they now puffed themselves up in haughty airs and gestures, and now, as if bending down to a state of tranquillity and affability, they lowered themselves as friendly and flattering; and thinking themselves illustrious and admired by all, they now showed by bending their bodies that they were bowing to higher powers, and now believed themselves to be adored by others, and went through all the movements by which real duties are performed either proudly or humbly. Others we have found not only eager for lies but also inspiring blasphemies in men. We ourselves are witnesses of this, having heard a demon most openly confess that he had put forth the impiety of a sacrilegious doctrine through Arius and Eunomius. We plainly read one of these same spirits proclaiming this in the fourth book of Kingdoms too: ‘I will go out,’ he says, ‘and I will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets.’ Of them the apostle, rebuking those who are deceived by them, says: ‘Giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of demons, of those who speak lies in hypocrisy.’ The Gospels testify that there are also other kinds of demons, namely dumb and deaf ones. The prophet mentions that some spirits are instigators of lust and luxury: ‘The spirit of sexual immorality,’ he says, ‘deceived them, and they went whoring away from their God.’ The authority of the Scriptures likewise teaches that there are demons of the night, of the day, and of noon. It would take very long, if we wished to search all the volumes of the Scriptures and go through their variety one by one: what are meant by the prophet's onocentaurs, hairy ones, sirens, lamias, owls, ostriches, hedgehogs; what is called the asp and the basilisk in the psalm; what the lion, the dragon, and the scorpion in the Gospel; what the apostle names the prince of this world, the rulers of this darkness, and the spiritual forces of wickedness. We must not take these names as given to them by chance or accident, but understand that their ferocity and fury are distinguished by the meaning of these beasts, which among us are either less harmful or more deadly; and that they are called by their names from the likeness of their virulent wickedness or of the primacy which a certain excellence of malice gives these among other beasts or serpents. So one has received the name of lion for the violence of his fury and the rage of his ferocity; another that of basilisk for that deadly poison which kills before it is felt; another, for the lukewarmness of his malice, the name of onocentaur, hedgehog, or ostrich.”

Matt 8:28 (allusion, high confidence) · 1 Kgs 22:22 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Tim 4:1 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Tim 4:2 (quotation, high confidence) · Mark 9:25 (allusion, high confidence) · Hos 4:12 (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 91:6 (90:6 LXX) (allusion, high confidence) · Isa 13:21 (allusion, high confidence) · Isa 34:14 (allusion, high confidence) · Ps 91:13 (90:13 LXX) (allusion, high confidence) · Luke 10:19 (allusion, high confidence) · John 12:31 (allusion, high confidence) · Eph 6:12 (allusion, high confidence)

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Summary: Demons have as many pursuits as men: tricksters, night visitors, violent killers, spirits of vanity, inspirers of heresy such as that of Arius and Eunomius, and others signified by the beasts named in Scripture.

  • Plani (“wanderers, tricksters”) and Bacucei are popular names Cassian reports; their exact sense is uncertain. Matt 8:28; 1 Kgs 22:22 (Cassian says the fourth book of Kingdoms; it is the third); 1 Tim 4:1–2; Mark 9:25; Hos 4:12; Ps 91:5–6 (90:5–6 LXX, the noonday demon); Isa 13:21–22 and 34:11–15 (LXX creatures); Ps 91:13 (90:13 LXX); Luke 10:19; John 12:31; Eph 6:12. Arius (d. 336) and Eunomius (d. ca. 393) are named as heretics; the demon's confession is Cassian's report.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR slip; OCR slips; stray full stop): adteudentes → adtendentes; quae uooabula non casn neo fortuito → quae uocabula non casu nec fortuito; istarum ferarum, quae. apud → istarum ferarum, quae apud; illorum ferocitatee → illorum ferocitatem; nequitiae uirolentae → nequitiae uirulentae; onocentauri ant hericii → onocentauri aut hericii.

Topics: Heresy

Cite (SBL): Cassian, Conf. 7.32 (CSEL 13:210–213; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/cassian-conferences/7-28/#p-7-32). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude from Petschenig's Latin text (CSEL 13, 1886); compared afterwards with the NPNF² 11 translation (Gibson, 1894), which omits Conference 22 (checked against the Latin only).

7.33CSEL 13:213

GERMANVS: Non quidem ambigimus illos quoque ordines quos apostolus enumerat ad istos referri, quia non est nobis conluctatio aduersus carnem et sanguinem, sed aduersus principatus, aduersus potestates, aduersus mundi rectores tenebrarum harum, contra spiritalia nequitiae in caelestibus. uolumus tamen nosse unde haec sit tanta inter eos differentia, uel quemadmodum tanti nequitiae extiterint gradus? an ad hoc creati sint, ut hos ordines malitiae sortirentur et quodammodo huic nequitiae militarent?

Germanus: “We do not doubt that those orders which the apostle lists also refer to these: ‘For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the world of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.’ Yet we want to know where so great a difference among them comes from, or how such grades of wickedness came to exist. Were they created for this purpose, to be allotted these orders of malice and in a way to serve this wickedness?”

Eph 6:12 (quotation, high confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: Germanus asks where the ranks of evil spirits came from, and whether they were created evil.

  • Eph 6:12.

Cite (SBL): Cassian, Conf. 7.33 (CSEL 13:213; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/cassian-conferences/7-28/#p-7-33). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude from Petschenig's Latin text (CSEL 13, 1886); compared afterwards with the NPNF² 11 translation (Gibson, 1894), which omits Conference 22 (checked against the Latin only).

7.34CSEL 13:213–215

SERENVS: Quamquam propositiones uestrae totum tempus nocturnae quietis ita nostris furentur obtutibus, ut adpropinquantis aurorae nequaquam uiciniam sentiamus et usque ad ortum solis insatiabiliter conlationis huius uerba contexere prouocemur, tamen quoniam absolutio propositae quaestionis, cum coeperit indagari, in quoddam amplissimum ac profundissimum nos educit pelagus quaestionum, quod praesentis horae breuitas non sinit transmeari, commodius reor ut eam futurae noctis indagini reseruemus, quo et mihi sub huius quaestionis occasione de uestro propensiore conloquio laetitia spiritalis ac fructus uberior conferatur, et propositarum quaestionum sinus praebente nobis spiritu sancto prosperos flatus liberius penetrare possimus. quamobrem soporis modicum degustantes discutiamus obrepentem oculis nostris uicina iam luce torporem, ac deinceps pariter ad ecclesiam procedentes, quoniam nos hoc facere dominici diei sollemnitas commonet, reuersi post synaxin ea, quae dominus ad instructionem communem pro desiderio uestro largitus fuerit, duplicato gaudio conferemus.

Serenus: “Although your questions so steal the whole time of the night's rest from our eyes that we do not feel the nearness of the approaching dawn, and we are tempted to go on weaving the words of this conference insatiably until sunrise, yet since the answer to the question put forward, once it begins to be investigated, leads us out into a very wide and deep sea of questions, which the shortness of the present hour does not allow us to cross, I think it more convenient to keep it for the investigation of the coming night. So, on the occasion of this question, spiritual joy and a richer fruit may come to me from your more eager conversation, and we may be able to penetrate the bays of the questions proposed more freely, the Holy Spirit giving us favorable winds. Therefore, tasting a little sleep, let us shake off the drowsiness that creeps over our eyes now that the light is near; and then, going to church together, as the solemnity of the Lord's day reminds us to do, and returning after the synaxis, we shall share with doubled joy what the Lord gives for our common instruction, according to your desire.”

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Summary: Serenus postpones the question of the origin of evil spirits to the next night, as it is almost Sunday dawn and time for church.

  • synaxis: the gathering for common worship, here the Sunday liturgy.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR slip in the speaker's name; stray page number): SEBENVS → SERENVS; duplicato gaudio conferemus. 10 → duplicato gaudio conferemus..

Topics: Eucharist

Cite (SBL): Cassian, Conf. 7.34 (CSEL 13:213–215; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/cassian-conferences/7-28/#p-7-34). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Chapter 8

8.1CSEL 13:215–218

Consummatis quae diei sollemnitas exigebat et ecclesiae congregatione dimissa reuersi ad cellam senis refecti primum lautissime sumus. nam pro muria, quae superiecta olei gutta cotidianae refectioni solebat adponi, modicum liquaminis miscuit et olei quiddam solito propensius superfudit. nam illam olei guttam ob hoc unusquisque cotidie refecturus instillat, non ut eius ex hoc gustu quandam percipiat suauitatem (quippe cuius tantus est modus, ut uix ipsius gutturis ac faucium meatus non dicam linire, sed pertransire sufficiat), sed ut hoc usu iactantiam cordis, quae pro abstinentia districtiore blande solet ac latenter inrepere, et stimulos elationis obtundat, quia quanto abstinentia ipsa occultius exercetur nulloque hominum teste perficitur, tanto subtilius occultatorem suum temptare non desinit. deinde adposuit salem frictum, oliuas ternas: quibus post haec superintulit canistrum habens cicer frictum quod illi trogalia uocant, ex quibus quina tantum sumpsimus grana, myxaria bina, caricas singulas. hunc enim numerum in illa heremo quemquam excessisse culpabile est. qua refectione transacta repromissam quaestionis absolutionem cum reposcere coepissemus, proferte, inquit senex, interrogationem uestram, cuius in hanc horam distuleramus indaginem.

When the things the solemnity of the day required had been completed and the congregation of the church dismissed, we returned to the old man's cell and were first treated to a most lavish meal. For instead of the brine, with a drop of oil poured over it, which was usually served at the daily meal, he mixed in a little fish sauce and poured over it rather more oil than usual. For each one, when about to eat, lets fall that drop of oil every day, not in order to receive some pleasure from tasting it (for its amount is so small that it is scarcely enough, I will not say to coat, but even to pass through the passage of the throat and gullet), but so that by this practice he may blunt the boasting of heart, which usually creeps in smoothly and secretly because of a stricter abstinence, and the goads of elation; because the more secretly abstinence itself is practised, and without any human witness, the more subtly it does not cease to tempt the one who hides it. Then he set before us fried salt and three olives each; after these he brought a basket holding roasted chickpeas, which they call trogalia, of which we took only five grains each, two myxaria each, and one dried fig each. For it is blameworthy in that desert for anyone to exceed this number. When this meal was over and we began to ask again for the promised answer to the question, the old man said: “Put forward your question, the investigation of which we had postponed to this hour.”

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Summary: After the Sunday liturgy, Serenus serves a festive monastic meal, with a drop of oil taken to humble pride in abstinence, and invites their question.

  • liquamen: a fish sauce (garum); trogalia: roasted chickpeas or other nibbles; myxaria: probably the fruit of the sebesten plum (myxa).

Topics: Fasting

Cite (SBL): Cassian, Conf. 8.1 (CSEL 13:215–218; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/cassian-conferences/7-28/#p-8-1). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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8.2CSEL 13:218

Tum GERMANVS: Vnde, quaesumus, tanta uarietas aduersariarum potestatum contra hominem ac diuersitas ista processit, quam beatus apostolus ita dinumerat: non est nobis conluctatio aduersus carnem et sanguinem, sed aduersus principatus, aduersus potestates, aduersus mundi rectores tenebrarum harum, contra spiritalia nequitiae in caelestibus, et iterum: neque angeli neque principatus, neque uirtutes neque creatura alia poterit nos separare a caritate dei quae est in Christo Iesu domino nostro? unde ergo tantae malitiae aemula nobis emersit aduersitas? an ad hoc potestates istas a domino conditas esse credendum est, ut his contra hominem gradibus atque ordinibus militarent?

Then Germanus said: “Whence, we ask, has so great a variety of hostile powers against man arisen, and this diversity which the blessed apostle lists thus: ‘Our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the world of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places’; and again: ‘Neither angels nor principalities nor powers nor any other creature will be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord’? Whence, then, has so great a rival hostility of malice arisen against us? Or must we believe that these powers were made by the Lord for this purpose, to fight against man in these grades and orders?”

Eph 6:12 (quotation, high confidence) · Rom 8:38 (quotation, high confidence) · Rom 8:39 (quotation, high confidence)

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Summary: Germanus asks where the ranks of hostile powers came from, and whether God created them for this purpose.

  • Eph 6:12; Rom 8:38–39.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR slip in the speaker's name; line-break hyphen and stray mark): Tum GEBMANVS → Tum GERMANVS; aduer-. sariarum → aduersariarum.

Cite (SBL): Cassian, Conf. 8.2 (CSEL 13:218; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/cassian-conferences/7-28/#p-8-2). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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8.3CSEL 13:218–221

SERENVS: Diuinarum scripturarum auctoritas de his in quibus nos uoluit erudire quaedam etiam his qui acumine ingenii carent tam lucide et euidenter effata est, ut non solum nulla occultioris sensus obscuritate uelentur, sed ne ullo quidem patrocinio interpretationis indigeant et in superficie uocis ac litterae suos intellectus ac sententias praeferant: quaedam uero ita contecta et quibusdam sunt obscurata mysteriis, ut in eorum discussione et intellectu inmensum nobis exercitii campum ac sollicitudinis reseruaret. quam rem multas ob causas deum dispensasse manifestum est: primum ne sacramenta diuina nullum habentia spiritalis intellectus uelamen obductum cunctis hominibus, id est tam fidelibus quam profanis aequali scientia et notitia panderentur et per hoc inter inertes ac studiosos nulla esset uirtutis prudentiaeque distantia, tum ut etiam inter ipsos domesticos fidei, dum intellectuum spatia coram eis inmensa tenduntur, esset in quibus et desidiosorum argueretur inania et studiosorum alacritas atque industria probaretur. ideoque satis proprie scriptura diuina agro opimo ac fertili conparatur, qui cum multa gignat ac proferat quae ad hominum uictum sine aliqua ignis coctione proficiant, quaedam nisi prius flammae calore mitigata atque mollita omnem asperitatem suae deposuerint cruditatis, uel incongrua usibus humanis uel noxia sentientur. nonnulla uero ita utrique usui apta nascuntur, ut nec incocta sua cruditate displiceant uel offendant et tamen ignis calore decocta salubriora reddantur. plura quoque ad escam tantummodo inrationabilium iumentorum et animalium uel ferarum ac uolucrum proferuntur, cibis hominum minime profutura, quae etiam in sua asperitate manentia absque ulla ignis confectione uitalem iumentis conferunt sanitatem. quam rationem satis euidenter aspicimus in hoc uberrimo spiritalium scripturarum paradiso contineri, in quo ita quaedam significatione litterae plana ac luculenta resplendent, ut, cum sublimiore interpretatione non egeant, simplici tantum litterae sono abunde pascant ac nutriant audientes, ut est illud: audi, Israhel, dominus deus tuus dominus unus est, et: diliges dominum deum tuum ex toto corde tuo, et ex tota anima tua, et ex tota uirtute tua. quaedam autem si allegorica explanatione extenuata non fuerint et spiritalis ignis examinatione mollita, nullo modo ad salutarem interioris hominis cibum sine corruptionis labe peruenient magisque ex eorum perceptione laesio quam utilitas aliqua subsequetur, ut est illud: sint lumbi uestri praecincti et lucernae ardentes, et: qui non habet gladium, uendat tunicam suam et emat sibi gladium, et: qui non accipit crucem suam et sequitur me, non est me dignus. quod quidam districtissimi monachorum, habentes quidem zelum dei, sed non secundum scientiam, simpliciter intellegentes fecerunt sibi cruces ligneas easque iugiter umeris circumferentes non aedificationem, sed risum cunctis uidentibus intulerunt. nonnulla uero ad utramque perceptionem, id est tam historicam quam allegoricam ita conmode ac necessarie capiuntur, ut utraque explanatio uitales sucos animae subministret, ut est illud: si quis te percusserit in dextera maxilla tua, praebe illi et alteram, et: cum persequuntur uos in ciuitate ista, fugite in aliam, et: si uis perfectus esse, uade uende omnia quae habes et da pauperibus, et habebis thesaurum in caelo, et ueni sequere me. producit sane et faenum iumentis, quibus pabulis omnes scripturarum repleti sunt campi, simplicem scilicet puramque narrationem historicae lectionis, qua simpliciores quique ac minus capaces perfectae et integrae rationis, de quibus dicitur: homines et iumenta saluabis domine, secundum status ac mensurae suae condicionem ad opus tantum et laborem actualis uitae uegetiores robustioresque reddantur.

Serenus: “The authority of the divine Scriptures has declared some of the things in which it wished to instruct us so clearly and plainly, even for those who lack sharpness of mind, that not only are they not veiled by any obscurity of a more hidden sense, but they do not even need any help of interpretation, and show their meaning and sense on the surface of the word and letter. Others, however, are so covered and obscured by certain mysteries that in discussing and understanding them it has reserved for us an immense field of exercise and care. It is clear that God arranged this for many reasons. First, so that the divine mysteries, with no veil of spiritual understanding drawn over them, might not be laid open to all people, that is, to the faithful and the profane alike, with equal knowledge and acquaintance, and so there would be no difference of virtue and prudence between the idle and the studious. Then, so that even among the household of faith, while immense spaces of understanding stretch before them, there might be things in which the emptiness of the slothful might be exposed and the eagerness and diligence of the studious proved. And so the divine Scripture is quite properly compared to a rich and fertile field, which produces many things that serve for human food without any cooking by fire, while some, unless first softened and tempered by the heat of flame so that they lose all the harshness of their rawness, will be found either unsuitable for human use or harmful. Some grow fit for both uses, so that they neither displease nor offend when uncooked in their rawness, and yet become more wholesome when cooked by the heat of fire. Many are also produced only as food for irrational beasts of burden and animals, or wild beasts and birds, of no use for human food, which, remaining in their harshness without any preparation by fire, give healthy life to the beasts. We see this principle quite plainly contained in this most fruitful paradise of the spiritual Scriptures. In it some things shine so plain and bright in the meaning of the letter that, needing no higher interpretation, they abundantly feed and nourish the hearers by the simple sound of the letter alone, such as: ‘Hear, O Israel, the Lord your God is one Lord’; and: ‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your strength.’ But some, unless they have been refined by allegorical explanation and softened by the testing of spiritual fire, will in no way reach the wholesome food of the inner man without the stain of corruption, and harm rather than any benefit will follow from taking them, such as: ‘Let your loins be girded and your lamps burning’; and: ‘Let him who has no sword sell his tunic and buy himself a sword’; and: ‘Whoever does not take up his cross and follow me is not worthy of me.’ Some of the strictest monks, having indeed a zeal for God but not according to knowledge, understanding this simply, made themselves wooden crosses and, carrying them constantly on their shoulders, brought not edification but laughter to all who saw them. Some things, however, are taken so suitably and necessarily in both senses, that is, the historical and the allegorical, that both explanations supply life-giving juices to the soul, such as: ‘If anyone strikes you on your right cheek, offer him the other also’; and: ‘When they persecute you in this city, flee to another’; and: ‘If you want to be perfect, go, sell all that you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.’ It certainly produces hay for the beasts too, fodder with which all the fields of the Scriptures are filled: the simple and pure narrative of the historical reading, by which all the simpler people, and those less capable of perfect and complete understanding, of whom it is said, ‘Men and beasts you will save, O Lord,’ are made more vigorous and strong, according to the condition of their state and measure, only for the work and labor of the practical life.”

Deut 6:4 (quotation, high confidence) · Deut 6:5 (quotation, high confidence) · Luke 12:35 (quotation, high confidence) · Luke 22:36 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 10:38 (quotation, high confidence) · Rom 10:2 (allusion, high confidence) · Matt 5:39 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 10:23 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 19:21 (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 104:14 (103:14 LXX) (allusion, medium confidence) · Ps 36:6 (35:7 LXX) (quotation, high confidence)

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Summary: Scripture is like a field: some passages nourish plainly by the letter, some must be “cooked” by allegory, some serve in both senses, and the simple historical narrative feeds the simple; literal crosses carried by some monks show the danger of misreading.

  • Deut 6:4–5; Luke 12:35; Luke 22:36; Matt 10:38; Rom 10:2; Matt 5:39; Matt 10:23; Matt 19:21; Ps 104:14 (103:14 LXX); Ps 36:6 (35:7 LXX).

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR slip; OCR slip (l for i)): saoramenta → sacramenta; aequali sdentia → aequali scientia; scriptura dinina agro → scriptura diuina agro; inrationabilium inmentorum → inrationabilium iumentorum; faenum lumentis → faenum iumentis.

Topics: Scripture and canon

Cite (SBL): Cassian, Conf. 8.3 (CSEL 13:218–221; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/cassian-conferences/7-28/#p-8-3). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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8.4CSEL 13:221–222

Quamobrem de his, quae aperta explanatione prolata sunt, nos quoque constanter possumus definire audenterque nostram proferre sententiam. ea uero, quae meditationi et exercitio nostro reseruans obtecta sanctis scripturis spiritus diuinus inseruit, quibusdam ea uolens indiciis et opinionibus colligi, ita pedetemptim debent cauteque conferri, ut sit eorum adsertio uel confirmatio in disputantis uel suscipientis arbitrio conlocata. nonnumquam enim cum super una re diuersa promatur sententia, potest utraque rationabilis iudicari et sine detrimento fidei uel fixe uel medie suscipi, id est ut ei nec plena credulitas nec absoluta refutatio deputetur priorique sequens opinio derogare non debeat, cum neutra earum fidei inueniatur obsistere. quale est illud, quod Helias uenerit in Iohanne et iterum sit aduentum domini praecursurus, et de abominatione desolationis, quod steterit in loco sancto per illud simulacrum Iouis quod Hierosolymis in templo positum legimus et iterum stare habeat in ecclesia per aduentum Antichristi, illaque omnia quae in euangelio sequuntur, quae et inpleta ante captiuitatem Hierosolymorum et in fine mundi huius intelleguntur inplenda. e quibus neutra opinio inpugnat aliam nec sequentem prior intellectus euacuat.

“Therefore, about those things which have been set out with plain explanation, we too can define firmly and give our opinion boldly. But those which the divine Spirit has placed covered in the holy Scriptures, reserving them for our meditation and exercise, and wishing them to be gathered by certain signs and conjectures, must be brought forward step by step and cautiously, so that their assertion or confirmation is left to the judgment of the one discussing or receiving them. For sometimes, when different opinions are put forward on one matter, both can be judged reasonable and be accepted either firmly or provisionally without harm to the faith, that is, so that neither full belief nor absolute rejection is assigned to it, and the later opinion ought not to detract from the former, since neither of them is found to oppose the faith. Such is the view that Elijah came in John and will again be the forerunner of the Lord's coming; and that the abomination of desolation stood in the holy place through that image of Jupiter which we read was set up in the temple at Jerusalem, and will stand again in the church at the coming of the Antichrist; and all those things that follow in the Gospel, which are understood both to have been fulfilled before the captivity of Jerusalem and to be yet fulfilled at the end of this world. Of these neither opinion attacks the other, nor does the former understanding make the latter void.”

Matt 11:14 (allusion, high confidence) · Matt 17:11 (allusion, high confidence) · Mal 4:5 (allusion, medium confidence) · Matt 24:15 (allusion, high confidence) · Dan 9:27 (allusion, medium confidence)

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Summary: Plain teachings may be stated firmly, but obscure passages allow more than one reasonable interpretation, as with Elijah in John the Baptist and the abomination of desolation.

  • Matt 11:14 and 17:11–12 (Mal 4:5); Matt 24:15 (Dan 9:27; 1 Macc 1:54; 2 Macc 6:2, the image of Olympian Zeus in the temple).

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR slip): arbitrio eonlocata → arbitrio conlocata; super una re dinersa → super una re diuersa; uenerit in lohaune → uenerit in Iohanne.

Extrabiblical texts: 2 Macc 6:2 (2 Maccabees [in RC, EO canons]; allusion)

Topics: Scripture and canon, Eschatology

Cite (SBL): Cassian, Conf. 8.4 (CSEL 13:221–222; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/cassian-conferences/7-28/#p-8-4). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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8.5CSEL 13:222

Et idcirco proposita a uobis quaestio licet non satis uideatur nec frequenter inter homines uentilata nec apud plurimos pateat, et ex hoc ipso apud aliquos ea quae proferemus forsitan uideantur ambigua, ita debemus nostram temperare sententiam, quoniam fidei trinitatis nihil praeiudicat, ut inter illa habeatur quae medie sunt recipienda, quamquam non tali opinione qualis suspicionibus tantum et coniecturis colligi solet, sed manifestis scripturarum testimoniis omnia conprobentur.

“And therefore, although the question you have proposed seems not to have been discussed enough or often among men, and is not clear to most, and for that very reason what we shall say may perhaps seem doubtful to some, we ought so to temper our opinion, since it does not prejudice faith in the Trinity at all, that it may be counted among those things which are held provisionally; although it is not an opinion of the kind usually gathered only by guesses and conjectures, but everything is proved by clear testimonies of the Scriptures.”

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Summary: Serenus offers his answer on the origin of the demons as a provisional opinion, not touching faith in the Trinity, though grounded on Scripture.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR slip; OCR slip (garbled word; the sense requires “to be received”)): et ez hoc ipso → et ex hoc ipso; quae medie sunt tequoda → quae medie sunt recipienda.

Topics: Trinity

Cite (SBL): Cassian, Conf. 8.5 (CSEL 13:222; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/cassian-conferences/7-28/#p-8-5). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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8.6CSEL 13:222

Absit ergo ut deum quicquam creasse confiteamur quod substantialiter malum sit, dicente scriptura: omnia quae fecit deus, bona ualde. si enim a deo tales isti creati sunt uel ad hoc facti, ut hos malitiae gradus teneant ac semper deceptionibus et ruinis hominum uacent, contra praedictae scripturae sententiam infamabimus deum uelut creatorem atque inuentorem malorum, quod scilicet pessimas uoluntates ac naturas ipse condiderit, ad hoc eas creans, ut semper in nequitia perseuerantes numquam transire possint in bonae uoluntatis adfectum. hanc igitur rationem diuersitatis huius traditione patrum de sanctarum scripturarum fonte percepimus.

“Far be it from us, then, to confess that God created anything that is evil in substance, since Scripture says: ‘All the things that God made were very good.’ For if these were created such by God, or made for this purpose, to hold these grades of malice and always to be busy with the deception and ruin of men, then, against the saying of the Scripture above, we shall defame God as the creator and inventor of evils, as if he himself had made the worst wills and natures, creating them for this, that, always persisting in wickedness, they could never pass to the disposition of a good will. We have received this explanation of this diversity, then, from the tradition of the fathers, out of the fountain of the holy Scriptures.”

Gen 1:31 (quotation, high confidence)

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Summary: God created nothing evil by nature, as Genesis says all he made was very good; the demons were not created evil.

  • Gen 1:31.

Cite (SBL): Cassian, Conf. 8.6 (CSEL 13:222; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/cassian-conferences/7-28/#p-8-6). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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8.7CSEL 13:222–223

Ante conditionem huius uisibilis creaturae spiritales caelestesque uirtutes deum fecisse, quae pro hoc ipso quod scirent se ad tantam beatitudinis gloriam beneficio creatoris ex nihilo fuisse productas perpetuas ei gratias referentes indesinenter eius laudibus inhaererent, nemo fidelium dubitat. nec enim existimare debemus creationis et opificii sui principia ab huius mundi constitutione deum primitus inchoasse, quasi in illis anterioribus atque innumeris saeculis ab omni prouidentia et dispensatione diuina fuerit otiosus, ac tamquam non habens in quos bonitatis suae exerceret beneficia solitarius atque ab omni munificentia alienus fuisse credatur. quod de illa inmensa ac sine principio et inconprehensibili maiestate satis humile est incongruumque sentire, ipso domino de illis potestatibus haec dicente: quando facta sunt simul sidera, laudauerunt me uoce magna omnes angeli mei. qui ergo intersunt creationi siderum, ante istud principium in quo factum dicitur caelum et terra creati fuisse manifestissime conprobantur, quippe qui pro istis omnibus uisibilibus creaturis quas uidebant ex nihilo processisse creatorem magna uoce referuntur et admiratione laudasse. ante istud ergo temporale principium, quod a Moyse dicitur quodque mundi huius secundum historicum, immo Iudaicum sensum signat aetatem (saluo scilicet nostro sensu, quo nos interpretamur omnium rerum Christum esse principium, in quo omnia creauerit pater secundum illud: omnia per ipsum facta sunt, et sine ipso factum est nihil), ante istud, inquam, Geneseos temporale principium omnes illas potestates caelestesque uirtutes deum creasse non dubium est. quas apostolus per ordinem dinumerans ita describit: quia in Christo creata sunt omnia in caelis et in terra, uisibilia et inuisibilia, siue angeli siue archangeli, siue throni siue dominationes, siue principatus siue potestates. omnia per ipsum et in ipso creata sunt.

“No one of the faithful doubts that before the creation of this visible creation God made the spiritual and heavenly powers, who, precisely because they knew they had been brought forth from nothing to such glory of blessedness by the kindness of the Creator, gave him perpetual thanks and clung unceasingly to his praises. For we must not think that God first began the beginnings of his creation and handiwork with the founding of this world, as if in those earlier and countless ages he had been idle of all providence and divine dispensation, and is to be believed to have been solitary, as though having none on whom to exercise the benefits of his goodness, and a stranger to all generosity. To think this of that immense, beginningless, and incomprehensible majesty is quite mean and unfitting, since the Lord himself says of those powers: ‘When the stars were made together, all my angels praised me with a loud voice.’ Those, then, who were present at the creation of the stars are most plainly proved to have been created before that beginning in which heaven and earth are said to have been made; since they are recorded to have praised the Creator with a loud voice and with wonder for all these visible creatures, which they saw come forth from nothing. Before that temporal beginning, then, which is spoken of by Moses, and which, according to the historical or rather the Jewish sense, marks the age of this world (saving, of course, our own sense, by which we interpret Christ to be the beginning of all things, in whom the Father created all things, according to the words, ‘All things were made through him, and without him nothing was made’), before that temporal beginning of Genesis, I say, there is no doubt that God created all those powers and heavenly virtues. The apostle lists them in order and describes them thus: ‘For in Christ all things were created in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether angels or archangels, whether thrones or dominions, whether principalities or powers. All things were created through him and in him.’”

Job 38:7 (quotation, high confidence) · Gen 1:1 (allusion, high confidence) · John 1:3 (quotation, high confidence) · Col 1:16 (quotation, high confidence)

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Summary: God created the angels before the visible world, since they praised him at the creation of the stars; Christ is the true “beginning” in whom all things, including all ranks of angels, were made.

  • Job 38:7 (LXX form); Gen 1:1; John 1:3; Col 1:16 (Cassian's text adds “angels or archangels”). The view that angels were created before the visible world is Serenus'; his distinction between the “historical, or rather Jewish” reading of “the beginning” and the Christian reading of it as Christ is translated as written.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR slip; OCR slips (n for u)): creatoris ez nihilo → creatoris ex nihilo; siue angeli sine archangeli, sine throni siue dominationes, siue principatus sine potestates → siue angeli siue archangeli, siue throni siue dominationes, siue principatus siue potestates.

Topics: Christology

Cite (SBL): Cassian, Conf. 8.7 (CSEL 13:222–223; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/cassian-conferences/7-28/#p-8-7). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude from Petschenig's Latin text (CSEL 13, 1886); compared afterwards with the NPNF² 11 translation (Gibson, 1894), which omits Conference 22 (checked against the Latin only).

8.8CSEL 13:223–225

De istorum itaque numero nonnullos principes fuisse conlapsos lamentatio Ezechielis siue Esaiae manifestissime docent, in quibus principem Tyri uel illum Luciferum, qui mane oriebatur, flebili planctu cognoscimus lamentari. et de illo quidem ita dominus ad Ezechiel: fili hominis, leua planctum super principem Tyri: et dices ei: haec dicit dominus deus: tu signaculum similitudinis, plenus sapientia, perfectus decore, in deliciis paradisi dei fuisti: omnis lapis pretiosus operimentum tuum: sardius, topazius et iaspis, chrysolithus et onyx et beryllus, sapphirus et carbunculus et smaragdus: aurum opus decoris tui: et foramina tua in die, qua conditus es, praeparata sunt. tu cherub extentus et protegens, et posui te in monte sancto dei, in medio lapidum igneorum ambulasti. perfectus in uiis tuis a die conditionis tuae, donec inuenta est iniquitas in te. in multitudine negotiationis tuae repleta sunt interiora tua iniquitate, et peccasti: et eieci te de monte dei, et perdidi te o cherub protegens, in medio lapidum igneorum. eleuatum est cor tuum in decore tuo: perdidisti sapientiam tuam a decore tuo, in terram proieci te: ante faciem regum dedi te ut cernerent te. in multitudine iniquitatum tuarum, et iniquitate negotiationis tuae polluisti sanctificationem tuam. Esaias quoque de alio: quomodo cecidisti de caelo Lucifer, qui mane oriebaris? conruisti in terram, qui uulnerabas gentes? qui dicebas in corde tuo: in caelum conscendam, super astra dei ponam solium meum, sedebo in monte testamenti, in lateribus aquilonis. ascendam super altitudinem nubium, ero similis altissimo. quos tamen non solos ex illo beatissimae stationis apice conruisse scriptura conmemorat, dicens tertiam partem stellarum draconem illum secum pariter pertraxisse. unus quoque apostolorum euidentius dicit: angelos uero qui non seruauerunt suum principatum, sed reliquerunt domicilium suum, in iudicium magni diei uinculis aeternis sub caligine reseruauit. illud etiam quod ad nos dicitur: uos autem sicut homines moriemini: et sicut unus de principibus cadetis, quid aliud quam multos principes cecidisse significat? quibus indiciis ratio diuersitatis huius ista colligitur, has differentias ordinum, quas instar sanctarum caelestiumque uirtutum aduersae potestates habere dicuntur, uel ex illius anterioris ordinis gradu in quo unaquaeque creata fuerat nunc etiam retentare, uel certe de caelestibus deuolutas ad similitudinem illarum uirtutum, quae ibidem perseuerant, pro nequitiae suae merito, in qua unaquaeque in malum creuit, hos inter se gradus et ordinum uocabula in parte contraria uindicasse.

“That some princes of their number fell is most plainly taught by the laments of Ezekiel and Isaiah, in which we recognize that the prince of Tyre, or that Lucifer who rose in the morning, is lamented with a mournful dirge. Of the former the Lord speaks thus to Ezekiel: ‘Son of man, raise a lament over the prince of Tyre, and say to him: Thus says the Lord God: You were the seal of likeness, full of wisdom, perfect in beauty; you were in the delights of the paradise of God; every precious stone was your covering: sardius, topaz, and jasper, chrysolite and onyx and beryl, sapphire and carbuncle and emerald; gold was the work of your beauty, and your openings were prepared on the day you were created. You were a cherub stretched out and protecting, and I set you on the holy mountain of God; you walked in the midst of the stones of fire. You were perfect in your ways from the day of your creation, until iniquity was found in you. In the multitude of your trading your inner parts were filled with iniquity, and you sinned; and I cast you out from the mountain of God, and destroyed you, O protecting cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire. Your heart was lifted up in your beauty; you lost your wisdom through your beauty; I cast you to the earth; I set you before the face of kings, that they might look on you. In the multitude of your iniquities and in the iniquity of your trading you have defiled your sanctuary.’ Isaiah too says of another: ‘How you have fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, who rose in the morning! You who wounded the nations have fallen to the earth. You who said in your heart: I will ascend into heaven, I will set my throne above the stars of God, I will sit on the mountain of the covenant, in the sides of the north; I will ascend above the height of the clouds, I will be like the Most High.’ Yet Scripture records that these did not fall alone from that summit of most blessed station, saying that the dragon drew a third part of the stars with him. One of the apostles also says more plainly: ‘But the angels who did not keep their own principality, but left their own dwelling, he has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day.’ And what is said to us, ‘But you shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes,’ what else does it signify but that many princes have fallen? From these indications the reason for this diversity is gathered: the hostile powers are said to have these differences of orders, after the pattern of the holy and heavenly virtues, either because they still keep them now from the grade of that earlier order in which each had been created; or else because, having fallen from heaven, they have claimed for themselves these grades and titles of orders on the opposite side, in imitation of those virtues which remain there, according to the measure of the wickedness in which each grew in evil.”

Ezek 28:12 (quotation, high confidence) · Ezek 28:13 (quotation, high confidence) · Ezek 28:14 (quotation, high confidence) · Ezek 28:15 (quotation, high confidence) · Ezek 28:16 (quotation, high confidence) · Ezek 28:17 (quotation, high confidence) · Ezek 28:18 (quotation, high confidence) · Isa 14:12 (quotation, high confidence) · Isa 14:13 (quotation, high confidence) · Isa 14:14 (quotation, high confidence) · Rev 12:4 (allusion, high confidence) · Jude 1:6 (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 82:7 (81:7 LXX) (quotation, high confidence)

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Summary: Ezekiel's prince of Tyre and Isaiah's Lucifer describe the fall of angelic princes, who drew a third of the stars with them; the fallen powers either keep their former ranks or have formed rival ranks according to their wickedness.

  • Ezek 28:12–18 (LXX/Vulgate form); Isa 14:12–14; Rev 12:4; Jude 6; Ps 82:7 (81:7 LXX). The identification of the prince of Tyre and Lucifer with fallen angels follows a common patristic reading.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR slip; words joined and stray full stop): tu chernb extentus → tu cherub extentus; in uiis tuis adie conditionis tuae, donec inuenta. est → in uiis tuis a die conditionis tuae, donec inuenta est; o chernb protegens → o cherub protegens; conruieti in terram → conruisti in terram.

Cite (SBL): Cassian, Conf. 8.8 (CSEL 13:223–225; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/cassian-conferences/7-28/#p-8-8). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude from Petschenig's Latin text (CSEL 13, 1886); compared afterwards with the NPNF² 11 translation (Gibson, 1894), which omits Conference 22 (checked against the Latin only).

8.9CSEL 13:225–226

GERMANVS: Nos hactenus credebamus causam atque initium ruinae seu praeuaricationis diabolicae, qua de angelica statione deiectus est, inuidiam specialiter extitisse, quando Adam et Euam liuida calliditate decepit.

Germanus: “Until now we believed that the cause and beginning of the devil's ruin or transgression, by which he was cast down from his angelic station, was chiefly envy, when he deceived Adam and Eve with spiteful cunning.”

Notes and citation

Summary: Germanus says he thought the devil fell through envy when he deceived Adam and Eve.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR slip): illitium → initium.

Cite (SBL): Cassian, Conf. 8.9 (CSEL 13:225–226; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/cassian-conferences/7-28/#p-8-9). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude from Petschenig's Latin text (CSEL 13, 1886); compared afterwards with the NPNF² 11 translation (Gibson, 1894), which omits Conference 22 (checked against the Latin only).

8.10CSEL 13:226–227

SERENVS: Non esse istud praeuaricationis illius seu deiectionis initium Geneseos lectio manifestat, quae ante illorum deceptionem serpentini nominis nota eum credidit inurendum ita dicens: serpens autem erat sapientior siue, ut Hebraici exprimunt libri, callidior cunctis bestiis terrae quas fecit dominus deus. intellegitis ergo, quod ante illam circumuentionem primi hominis de angelica discesserat sanctitate, ita ut non solum nominis huius insigniri mereretur infamia, sed etiam in nequitiae tergiuersatione ceteris praeferretur bestiis terrae. non enim tali uocabulo scriptura bonum angelum designasset nec de his qui in illa beatitudine perseuerant diceret: serpens autem erat sapientior omnibus bestiis terrae. nam hoc cognomen non solum Gabriheli siue Michaeli nullo modo posset aptari, sed ne bono quidem cuiquam homini conueniret. apertissime itaque et serpentis uocabulum et conparatio bestiarum non sonat angeli dignitatem, sed praeuaricatoris infamiam. denique liuoris ac seductionis materia, qua ut hominem deciperet instigatus est, de anterioris ruinae extitit causa, quod scilicet de limo terrae nuperrime figuratum ad illam eum gloriam cerneret euocandum, unde, cum esset unus de principibus, se meminerat conruisse. et idcirco priorem eius lapsum quo superbiendo conruerat, quo etiam serpens meruerat nuncupari, secunda ruina per inuidiam subsecuta est. quae inueniens eum adhuc aliquid in sese erectum habentem, ita ut etiam cuiusdam conloquii atque consilii cum homine posset habere consortium, sententia domini utiliter in ima deiectus est, ut non iam sicut ante sublime aliquid intuens et excelsus incederet, sed ut solo cohaerens reperet et humiliatus super uentrem terrenis uitiorum escis et operibus pasceretur, occultum deinceps publicans inimicum ac ponens inter ipsum et hominem utiles inimicitias salutaremque discordiam, ut dum cauetur tamquam hostis noxius, amicitiis fraudulentis ulterius homini nocere non posset.

Serenus: “The reading of Genesis shows that this was not the beginning of his transgression or fall, since before their deception it thought him fit to be branded with the mark of the name ‘serpent,’ saying: ‘Now the serpent was wiser,’ or, as the Hebrew books express it, ‘more cunning, than all the beasts of the earth which the Lord God had made.’ You understand, then, that before that deceiving of the first man he had departed from angelic holiness, so that he not only deserved to be marked with the disgrace of this name but was even preferred to the other beasts of the earth in the evasiveness of wickedness. For Scripture would not have designated a good angel by such a word, nor said of those who remain in that blessedness: ‘Now the serpent was wiser than all the beasts of the earth.’ For this name could in no way be applied to Gabriel or Michael, nor would it even suit any good man. Most plainly, then, both the word ‘serpent’ and the comparison with beasts suggest not the dignity of an angel but the disgrace of a transgressor. In fact, the material of the envy and seduction by which he was urged to deceive man arose from the cause of his earlier fall: namely, that he saw one who had very recently been formed from the slime of the earth being called to that glory from which, being one of the princes, he remembered he had fallen. And therefore his first fall, by which he had fallen through pride and for which he had also deserved to be called a serpent, was followed by a second fall through envy. This second fall, finding him still having something upright in himself, so that he could even have a certain fellowship of conversation and counsel with man, cast him down, usefully, by the Lord's sentence into the depths, so that he would no longer go about lofty and looking up at anything high as before, but would crawl, cleaving to the ground, and, humbled, be fed on his belly with the earthly food and works of the vices. So the Lord made public an enemy who until then was hidden, and put between him and man a useful enmity and a saving discord, so that, while he is guarded against as a harmful enemy, he might no longer be able to harm man by deceitful friendships.”

Gen 3:1 (quotation, high confidence) · Gen 2:7 (allusion, high confidence) · Gen 3:14 (allusion, high confidence) · Gen 3:15 (allusion, high confidence)

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Summary: The devil had already fallen through pride before tempting Adam and Eve, since Genesis already calls him the serpent; envy of man's calling to the glory he had lost caused his second fall, after which God set enmity between him and humanity.

  • Gen 3:1 (Cassian notes that the Hebrew reads “more cunning” where his Latin has “wiser”); Gen 2:7; Gen 3:14–15.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR slip): eerpentini → serpentini.

Cite (SBL): Cassian, Conf. 8.10 (CSEL 13:226–227; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/cassian-conferences/7-28/#p-8-10). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude from Petschenig's Latin text (CSEL 13, 1886); compared afterwards with the NPNF² 11 translation (Gibson, 1894), which omits Conference 22 (checked against the Latin only).

8.11CSEL 13:227

In quo tamen et illud nos praecipue debet instruere, ut a malis consiliis declinemus, quod licet deceptionis auctor congrua poena et condemnatione plectatur, ne ille quidem qui seducitur supplicio careat, licet aliquantulo leuiore quam ille qui auctor deceptionis extiterit. quod hic expressum planissime cernimus. Adam namque qui seductus est, immo ut apostoli uerbis eloquar qui seductus non est, sed seductae adquiescens in exitiabilem uidetur accessisse consensum, sudore uultus ac labore tantummodo condemnatur, qui tamen illi non per suam, sed per terrae maledictionem sterilitatemque decernitur. mulier uero quae huius rei persuasor extitit multiplicationem gemituum ac dolorum atque tristitiae promeretur, perpetuo pariter iugo subiectionis addicta. serpens autem, qui primus incentor huius offensae est, perenni maledictione multatur. quamobrem summa sollicitudine et circumspectione cauendum est a consiliis prauis, quia sicut auctorem puniunt, ita deceptum nec peccato faciunt carere nec poena.

“In this, however, the following ought especially to teach us to turn away from evil counsels: that although the author of the deception is struck with fitting punishment and condemnation, not even the one who is seduced is free from penalty, though it is somewhat lighter than that of the one who was the author of the deception. We see this expressed very plainly here. For Adam, who was seduced, or rather, to speak in the words of the apostle, who was not seduced, but seems to have come to a deadly consent by yielding to the one who was seduced, is condemned only to the sweat of his face and labor, which is decreed for him not by a curse on himself but by the curse and barrenness of the earth. But the woman, who was the persuader in this matter, earns a multiplication of groans, pains, and sadness, and is also bound to a perpetual yoke of subjection. And the serpent, who was the first instigator of this offence, is punished with an everlasting curse. Therefore we must guard with the greatest care and watchfulness against evil counsels, because, just as they punish the author, so they do not let the one deceived go free either of sin or of punishment.”

1 Tim 2:14 (allusion, high confidence) · Gen 3:17 (allusion, high confidence) · Gen 3:19 (allusion, high confidence) · Gen 3:16 (allusion, high confidence) · Gen 3:14 (allusion, high confidence)

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Summary: In the fall, the serpent, the woman, and Adam were each punished in proportion to their part, showing that both the tempter and the one who yields to evil counsel incur punishment.

  • 1 Tim 2:14; Gen 3:14–19. Cassian's account of the relative guilt and punishment of Adam, Eve, and the serpent is translated as written.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR slips): mulier nero quae hmus rei persuasor extitit multiplicationem gemituum ae dolorum → mulier uero quae huius rei persuasor extitit multiplicationem gemituum ac dolorum.

Topics: Marriage

Cite (SBL): Cassian, Conf. 8.11 (CSEL 13:227; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/cassian-conferences/7-28/#p-8-11). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude from Petschenig's Latin text (CSEL 13, 1886); compared afterwards with the NPNF² 11 translation (Gibson, 1894), which omits Conference 22 (checked against the Latin only).

8.12CSEL 13:227–228

Tanta uero spirituum densitate constipatur aer iste qui inter caelum terramque diffunditur, in quo non quieti otiosique peruolitant, ut satis utiliter humanis aspectibus eos prouidentia diuina subtraxerit. aut enim terrore concursus eorum uel horrore uultuum, in quos se pro uoluntate sua cum libitum fuerit transformant atque conuertunt, intolerabili formidine homines consternarentur atque deficerent, nequaquam ualentes haec carnalibus oculis intueri, aut certe nequiores cotidie redderentur exemplis eorum iugibus et imitatione uitiati, et per hoc inter homines et inmundas atque aerias potestates fieret noxia quaedam familiaritas ac perniciosa coniunctio, quia haec flagitia quae nunc inter homines admittuntur uel parietum saeptis uel locorum interuallo et quadam uerecundiae confusione celantur. quae si aperta iugiter uisione conspicerent, ad maiorem furoris incitarentur insaniam, nullo scilicet interueniente temporis puncto quo ab istis sceleribus eas cernerent desinentes, quippe quas nulla lassitudo carnalis seu occupatio familiaris rei ac sollicitudo cotidiani uictus quemadmodum nos a coeptis intentionibus etiam inuitissimos nonnumquam cessare conpellunt.

“This air which is spread between heaven and earth is so thickly crowded with spirits, which do not fly about in it quietly and idly, that divine providence has very usefully withdrawn them from human sight. For either men would be struck down and faint with unbearable fear at the terror of their onrush or the horror of the faces into which they transform and change themselves at will whenever they please, being quite unable to look at these things with fleshly eyes; or else they would become more wicked every day, corrupted by their constant example and by imitation. And so a harmful familiarity and ruinous union would arise between men and the unclean powers of the air; because those crimes which are now committed among men are hidden by the enclosure of walls, or by distance of place, and by a certain confusion of shame. If they saw them with constant open vision, they would be roused to a greater madness of fury, since no moment of time would intervene in which they would see the spirits ceasing from these crimes; for no bodily weariness, or occupation with household affairs, or care for daily food compels them, as it sometimes compels us even against our will, to cease from what we have begun.”

Notes and citation

Summary: The air is thick with spirits, whom God hides from our sight lest we be terrified or corrupted by constantly seeing their unceasing wickedness.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR slip; stray letter): constipatur aår iste → constipatur aer iste; uerecundiae confusione I celantur → uerecundiae confusione celantur.

Cite (SBL): Cassian, Conf. 8.12 (CSEL 13:227–228; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/cassian-conferences/7-28/#p-8-12). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude from Petschenig's Latin text (CSEL 13, 1886); compared afterwards with the NPNF² 11 translation (Gibson, 1894), which omits Conference 22 (checked against the Latin only).