Miscellanies 5.13.84

Summary: Plato said we must believe the children of the gods even without proof; Clement applies this to the prophets and to Christ, the true Son, through whom God proclaimed the Scriptures.

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Greek text · Stählin 2:381–382

καὶ δὴ αὐτόν σοι Πλάτωνα παραστήσω ἄντικρυς ἤδη θεοῦ παισὶ πιστεύειν ἀξιοῦντα· περὶ γὰρ θεῶν ὁρατῶν τε καὶ γενητῶν ποιησάμενος τὸν λόγον ἐν τῷ Τιμαίῳ περὶ δὲ τῶν ἄλλων δαιμόνων εἰπεῖν καὶ γνῶναι τὴν γένεσιν φησὶ μεῖζον ἢ καθʼ ἡμᾶς, πειστέον δὲ τοῖς εἰρηκόσιν ἔμπροσθεν, ἐκγόνοις μὲν θεῶν οὖσιν, ὡς ἔφασαν, σαφῶς δέ πως τοὺς ἑαυτῶν προγόνους εἰδότων. ἀδύνατον οὖν θεῶν παισὶν ἀπιστεῖν, καίπερ ἄνευ εἰκότων καὶ ἀναγκαίων ἀποδείξεων λέγουσιν. οὐκ οἶμαι δύνασθαι σαφέστερον ὑπὸ Ἑλλήνων προσμαρτυρήσεσθαι τὸν σωτῆρα ἡμῶν καὶ τοὺς εἰς προφητείαν κεχρισμένους, τοὺς μὲν παῖδας θεοῦ ἀνηγορευμένους, τὸν δὲ κύριον υἱὸν ὄντα γνήσιον, ἀληθεῖς εἶναι περὶ τῶν θείων μάρτυρας· διὸ καὶ δεῖν πιστεύειν αὐτοῖς ἐνθέοις οὖσι προσέθηκε. κἂν τραγικώτερον εἴπῃ τις μὴ πιστεύειν· οὐ γάρ τί μοι Ζεὺς ἦν ὁ κηρύξας τάδε, ἀλλʼ ἴστω αὐτὸν τὸν θεὸν διὰ τοῦ υἱοῦ τὰς γραφὰς κηρύξαντα. πιστὸς δὲ ὁ τὰ οἰκεῖα καταγγέλλων, ἐπεὶ μηδεὶς φησὶν ὁ κύριος τὸν πατέρα ἔγνω, εἰ μὴ ὁ υἱὸς καὶ ᾧ ἂν ὁ υἱὸς ἀποκαλύψῃ.

English · Claude translation

And now I will present Plato himself to you, plainly requiring belief in the children of God. For after discussing the visible and generated gods in the Timaeus, he says: “To speak about the other daemons and to know their origin is beyond us; but we must trust those who have spoken before, who were, as they said, offspring of gods, and surely knew their own ancestors. It is impossible, then, to disbelieve the children of gods, even though they speak without probable or necessary demonstrations.” I do not think that the Greeks could more clearly bear witness to our Savior, and to those anointed for prophecy (these proclaimed children of God, and the Lord being his true Son), that they are true witnesses about divine things; that is why he added that we must believe them, as being inspired. And if someone should say, rather in the manner of tragedy, that he does not believe (“for it was not Zeus who proclaimed these things to me”), let him know that it was God himself who proclaimed the Scriptures through the Son. And the one who announces what is his own is trustworthy, since “no one,” says the Lord, “has known the Father except the Son, and the one to whom the Son reveals him.”

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Source
Stählin 2:381–382 · Otto Stählin, ed., Clemens Alexandrinus, vol. 2, Stromata Buch I–VI, GCS 15 (Leipzig: Hinrichs, 1906); vol. 3, Stromata Buch VII und VIII, GCS 17 (Leipzig: Hinrichs, 1909) · Greek text: Otto Stählin, Clemens Alexandrinus 2–3 (GCS 15, 17, 1906–1909), digitized by the Perseus Digital Library, CC BY-SA 4.0
Text
As printed in Stählin, GCS 15, 17. Manuscript variants and the editor's apparatus are not reproduced; no textual problem is noted in this passage.
Translation
Claude translation (claude-opus-5-5), 2026-09-27 · Translated by Claude from the Greek text of Stählin (1906–1909); made independently of existing English translations.
Compare
Ante-Nicene Fathers, vol. 2 (1885) (an older public-domain English translation, whole volume at CCEL; checked against ours only after ours was made) · Book 3 is left partly untranslated (in Latin) there.
Scripture
Extrabiblical texts
  • Plato, Tim. 40d–e (Plato (works)) · quotation, high confidence
  • Sophocles, Ant. 450 (Sophocles (plays and fragments)) · quotation, high confidence
Topics
Scripture and canon, Christology

Notes

Translation notes

  • The quotations are Plato, Timaeus 40d–e, Sophocles, Antigone 450 (spoken by Antigone of Creon's decree), and Matt 11:27 (compare Luke 10:22).

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Clement of Alexandria, Strom. 5.13.84 (trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/clement-stromata/5/13/84/).

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Clement of Alexandria, Strom. 5.13.84 (trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/clement-stromata/5/13/84/).

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