City of God 2.16–2.23
Latin text: Hoffmann, CSEL 40 (Latin text: Dombart and Hoffmann, De civitate dei (CSEL 40, 1899-1900), digitized by Open Greek and Latin (csel-dev, University of Leipzig), CC BY-SA 4.0).English: Claude (claude-opus-5-5), public domain (CC0). Compare: Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers, series 1, vol. 2 (1887).
Chapter 2
2.16CSEL 40:80–81
CAPUT XVI. Quod, si dis ulla esset cura iustitiae, ab eis Romani accipere debuerint praecepta uiuendi potius quam leges ab aliis hominibus mutuari. Si autem a dis suis Romani uiuendi leges accipere potuissent, non aliquot annos post Romam conditam ab Atheniensibus mutuarentur leges Solonis, quas tamen non ut acceperunt tenuerunt, sed meliores et emendatiores facere conati sunt, quamuis Lycurgus Lacedaemoniis leges ex Apollinis auctoritate se instituisse confinxerit, quod prudenter Romani credere noluerunt, propterea non inde acceperunt. Numa Pompilius, qui Romulo successit in regnum, quasdam leges, quae quidem regendae ciuitati nequaquam sufficerent, condidisse fertur, qui eis multa etiam sacra constituit; non tamen perhibetur easdem leges a numinibus accepisse. Mala igitur animi, mala uitae, mala morum, quae ita magna sunt, ut his doctissimi eorum uiri etiam stantibus urbibus res publicas perire confirment, di eorum, ne suis cultoribus acciderent, minime curarunt [immo uero ut augerentur, sicut supra disputatum est, omni modo curarunt].
Chapter 16. That if the gods had any care for justice, the Romans ought to have received precepts for living from them rather than borrowing laws from other men.
If the Romans could have received laws for living from their gods, they would not have borrowed the laws of Solon from the Athenians some years after Rome was founded; and even these they did not keep as they received them, but tried to make them better and more correct. Lycurgus, it is true, pretended that he had established laws for the Spartans on Apollo's authority, but the Romans wisely refused to believe this and therefore did not take their laws from there. Numa Pompilius, who succeeded Romulus as king, is said to have made certain laws, which were by no means sufficient to govern the city, and he also instituted many sacred rites for them; yet he is not reported to have received these laws from the deities. So the evils of the mind, of life, and of morals, which are so great that their most learned men affirm that states perish by them even while their cities stand, their gods took no care at all to keep from befalling their worshippers.
Textual problem in this passage: see the notes.
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Summary: Augustine observes that the Romans borrowed their laws from Solon's Athens and from their own kings, not from their gods, who took no care for their morals.
- The decemvirs' embassy to Athens is in Livy 3.31–32; Numa's institutions in Livy 1.19–21.
- The editor deletes, as a later addition, the closing words “indeed, as was argued above, they took every care that they should increase” (square brackets); left out.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (stray bracket marks): (tenuerunt> → tenuerunt.
Extrabiblical texts: Livy, 3.31–32 (Livy, History of Rome; allusion); Livy, 1.19–21 (Livy, History of Rome; allusion)
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Civ. 2.16 (CSEL 40:80–81; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-civitate-dei/2-16/#p-2-16). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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2.17CSEL 40:81–82
CAPUT XVII. De raptu Sabinarum aliisque iniquitatibus, quae in ciuitate Romana etiam laudatis uiguere temporibus. An forte populo Romano propterea leges non sunt a numinibus constitutae, quia, sicut Sallustius ait, ius bonumque aput eos non legibus magis quam natura ualebat? Ex hoc iure ac bono credo raptas Sabinas. Quid enim iustius et melius quam filias alienas fraude spectaculi inductas non a parentibus accipi, sed ui, ut quisque poterat, auferri? Nam si inique facerent Sabini negare postulatas, quanto fuit iniquius rapere non datas? Iustius autem bellum cum ea gente geri potuit, quae filias suas ad matrimonium conregionalibus et confinalibus suis negasset petitas, quam cum ea, quae repetebat ablatas. Illud ergo potius fieret; ibi Mars filium suum pugnantem iuuaret, ut coniugiorum negatorum armis ulcisceretur iniuriam, et eo modo ad feminas, quas uoluerat, perueniret. Aliquo enim fortasse iure belli iniuste negatas iuste uictor auferret; nullo autem iure pacis non datas rapuit et iniustum bellum cum earum parentibus iuste suscensentibus gessit. Hoc sane utilius feliciusque successit, quod, etsi ad memoriam fraudis illius circensium spectaculum mansit, facinoris tamen in illa ciuitate et imperio non placuit exemplum, faciliusque Romani in hoc errauerunt, ut post illam iniquitatem deum sibi Romulum consecrarent, quam ut in feminis rapiendis factum eius imitandum lege ulla uel more permitterent. Ex hoc iure ac bono post expulsum cum liberis suis regem Tarquinium, cuius filius Lucretiam stupro uiolenter obpresserat. Iunius Brutus consul L. Tarquinium Conlatinum, maritum eiusdem Lucretiae, collegam suum, bonum adque innocentem uirum, propter nomen et propinquitatem Tarquiniorum coegit magistratu se abdicare nec uiuere in ciuitate permisit. Quod scelus fauente uel patiente populo fecit, a quo populo consulatum idem Conlatinus sicut etiam ipse Brutus acceperat. Ex hoc iure ac bono M. Camillus, illius temporis uir egregius, qui Veientes, grauissimos hostes populi Romani, post decennale bellum, quo Romanus exercitus totiens male pugnando grauiter adflictus est, iam ipsa Roma de salute dubitante adque trepidante facillime superauit eorumque urbem opulentissimam cepit, obtrectatorum inuidia uirtutis suae et insolentia tribunorum plebis reus factus est tamque ingratam sensit quam liberauerat ciuitatem, ut de sua damnatione certissimus in exilium sponte discederet et decem milia aeris absens etiam damnaretur, mox iterum a Gallis uindex patriae futurus ingratae. Multa commemorare iam piget foeda et iniusta, quibus agitabatur illa ciuitas, cum potentes plebem sibi subdere conarentur plebsque illis subdi recusaret, et utriusque partis defensores magis studiis agerent amore uincendi, quam aequum et bonum quidquam cogitarent.
Chapter 17. On the rape of the Sabine women and other iniquities that flourished in the Roman state even in its praised times.
Or perhaps laws were not established by the deities for the Roman people because, as Sallust says, “right and good prevailed among them no more by laws than by nature”? It was from this “right and good,” I suppose, that the Sabine women were carried off. For what could be more right and good than that other men's daughters, lured by the trick of a show, should not be received from their parents but carried off by force, each as he could? For if the Sabines acted unjustly in refusing them when asked, how much more unjust was it to carry them off when not given? A war could more justly have been waged with a people that had refused its daughters in marriage to their neighbors and borderers when they asked for them than with one that was demanding them back after they had been taken. So that is what should rather have been done; then Mars would have helped his son in the fight, to avenge by arms the wrong of refused marriages, and in that way to obtain the women he wanted. For by some right of war, perhaps, a victor might justly carry off women unjustly refused; but by no right of peace did he seize women not given, and he waged an unjust war with their parents, who were justly angry. This, indeed, turned out more usefully and happily in that, although the circus show remained in memory of that trick, the example of the crime did not find favor in that city and empire; and the Romans more easily erred in consecrating Romulus as a god after that iniquity than in permitting by any law or custom that his deed in carrying off women should be imitated. It was from this “right and good” that, after King Tarquin had been expelled with his children, whose son had violently forced Lucretia, the consul Junius Brutus compelled his colleague Lucius Tarquinius Collatinus, the husband of that same Lucretia, a good and innocent man, to resign his office because of the name and kinship of the Tarquins, and did not allow him to live in the city. He committed this crime with the people's favor or acquiescence, the very people from whom Collatinus, like Brutus himself, had received the consulship. It was from this “right and good” that Marcus Camillus, an outstanding man of that time, who very easily overcame the Veians, the most dangerous enemies of the Roman people, after a ten-year war in which the Roman army was so often badly beaten and gravely afflicted, when Rome itself was already doubting and trembling for its safety, and who took their very wealthy city, was put on trial through the envy of those who disparaged his merit and the insolence of the tribunes of the people; and he found the city he had freed so ungrateful that, being quite certain of his condemnation, he went into exile of his own accord and was even condemned in his absence to a fine of ten thousand pounds of bronze, soon to be, once again, the avenger of his ungrateful country against the Gauls. It is wearisome now to recall the many foul and unjust things by which that city was shaken, when the powerful tried to subject the common people to themselves and the people refused to be subjected, and the champions of each side acted more from partisanship and love of winning than with any thought of what was fair and good.
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Summary: Augustine ironically tests Sallust's claim that the early Romans were just by nature against the rape of the Sabine women, the expulsion of Collatinus, and the exile of Camillus.
- Sallust, Catiline 9.1. The stories are in Livy 1.9 (the Sabine women), 2.2 (Collatinus), and 5.32 (Camillus).
Extrabiblical texts: Sallust, Cat. 9.1 (Sallust; quotation); Livy, 1.9 (Livy, History of Rome; allusion); Livy, 2.2 (Livy, History of Rome; allusion); Livy, 5.32 (Livy, History of Rome; allusion)
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Civ. 2.17 (CSEL 40:81–82; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-civitate-dei/2-16/#p-2-17). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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2.18CSEL 40:82–85
CAPUT XVIII. Quae de moribus Romanorum aut metu conpressis aut securitate resolutis Sallustii prodat historia. Itaque habebo modum et ipsum Sallustium testem potius adhibebo, qui cum in laude Romanorum dixisset, unde nobis iste sermo ortus est: Ius bonumque aput eos non legibus magis quam natura ualebat, praedicans illud tempus, quo expulsis regibus incredibiliter ciuitas breui aetatis spatio plurimum creuit, idem tamen in primo historiae suae libro adque ipso eius exordio fatetur etiam tunc, cum ad consules a regibus esset translata res publica, post paruum interuallum iniurias ualidiorum et ob eas discessionem plebis a patribus aliasque in Urbe dissensiones fuisse. Nam cum optimis moribus et maxima concordia populum Romanum inter secundum et postremum bellum Carthaginiense commemorasset egisse causamque huius boni non amorem iustitiae, sed stante Carthagine metum pacis infidae fuisse dixisset (unde et Nasica ille ad reprimendam nequitiam seruandosque istos mores optimos, ut metu uitia cohiberentur, Carthaginem nolebat euerti): continuo subiecit idem Sallustius et ait: (At discordia et auaritia adque ambitio et cetera secundis rebus oriri sueta mala post Carthaginis excidium maxime aucta sunt, ut intellegeremus etiam ante oriri solere et augeri: Unde subnectens quur hoc dixerit: *Nam iniuriae, inquit, ualidiorum et ob eas discessio plebis a patribus aliaeque dissensiones domi fuere iam inde a principio, neque amplius quam regibus exactis, dum metus a Tarquinio et bellum graue cum Etruria positum est, aequo et modesto iure agitatum. Vides quem ad modum etiam illo breui tempore, ut regibus exactis, id est eiectis, aliquantum aequo et modesto iure ageretur, metum dixit fuisse causam, quoniam metuebatur bellum, quod rex Tarquinius regno adque Urbe pulsus Etruscis sociatus contra Romanos gerebat. Adtende itaque quid deinde contexat: Dein, inquit, seruili imperio patres plebem exercere, de uita adque tergo regio more consulere, agro pellere et ceteris expertibus soli in imperio agere. Quibus saeuitiis et maxime faenore obpressa plebes cum adsiduis bellis tributum et militiam simul toleraret, armata montem sacrum adque Auentinum insedit, tumque tribunos plebis et alia iura sibi parauit. Discordiarum et certaminis utrimque finis fuit secundum Punicum bellum.) Cernis ex quo tempore, id est paruo interuallo post reges exactos, quales Romani fuerint, de quibus ait: (Ius bonumque aput eos non legibus magis quam natura ualebat. Porro si illa tempora talia reperiuntur, quibus pulcherrima adque optima fuisse praedicatur Romana res publica, quid iam de consequenti aetate dicendum aut cogitandum arbitramur, cum (paulatim mutata, ut eiusdem historici uerbis utar, ex pulcherrima adque optima pessima ac flagitiosissima facta est, post Carthaginis uidelicet, ut commemorauit, excidium? Quae tempora ipse Sallustius quem ad modum breuiter recolat et describat, in eius historia legi potest; quantis malis morum, quae secundis rebus exorta sunt, usque ad bella ciuilia demonstret esse peruentum. (Ex quo tempore, ut ait, maiorum mores non paulatim ut antea, sed torrentis modo praecipitati, adeo iuuentus luxu adque auaritia corrupta, ut merito dicatur genitos esse, qui neque ipsi habere possent res familiares neque alios pati. Dicit deinde plura Sallustius de Syllae uitiis ceteraque foeditate rei publicae, et alii scriptores in haec consentiunt, quamuis eloquio multum inpari. Cernis tamen, ut opinor, et quisquis aduerterit, facillime perspicit, conluuie morum pessimorum quo illa ciuitas prolapsa fuerit ante nostri superni regis aduentum. Haec enim gesta sunt non solum antequam Christus in carne praesens docere coepisset, uerum etiam antequam de uirgine natus esset. Cum igitur tot et tanta mala temporum illorum uel tolerabiliora superius, uel post euersam Carthaginem intoleranda et horrenda dis suis inputare non audeant, opiniones humanis mentibus, unde talia uitia siluescerent, astutia maligna inserentibus: quur mala praesentia Christo inputant, qui doctrina saluberrima et falsos ac fallaces deos coli uetat et istas hominum noxias flagitiosasque cupiditates diuina auctoritate detestans adque condemnans his malis tabescenti ac labenti mundo ubique familiam suam sensim subtrahit, qua condat aeternam et non plausu uanitatis, sed iudicio ueritatis gloriosissimam ciuitatem?
Chapter 18. What the history of Sallust reveals about the morals of the Romans, either restrained by fear or relaxed by security.
So I will keep within bounds and rather bring in Sallust himself as witness. Although he said in praise of the Romans, which is where this discussion of ours began, “Right and good prevailed among them no more by laws than by nature,” extolling that time when, after the kings had been expelled, the city grew incredibly in a short space of time, yet the same man admits in the first book of his History, at its very beginning, that even then, when the state had passed from kings to consuls, after a short interval there were wrongs done by the more powerful, and because of them a secession of the plebs from the patricians, and other dissensions in the City. For after he had recalled that the Roman people lived with the best morals and the greatest concord between the second and the last Carthaginian war, and had said that the cause of this good was not love of justice but, while Carthage stood, fear of an insecure peace (which is why that Nasica did not want Carthage destroyed, so as to check wickedness and preserve those excellent morals, that vices might be restrained by fear), the same Sallust at once added: “But discord, avarice, ambition, and the other evils that usually arise from prosperity increased greatly after the destruction of Carthage”; so that we should understand that they usually arose and increased even before. Then, adding why he said this: “For wrongs done by the more powerful,” he says, “and because of them the secession of the plebs from the patricians and other dissensions at home, existed from the very beginning; nor was there fair and moderate justice for longer than, after the kings were driven out, the fear of Tarquin and the heavy war with Etruria lasted.” You see how, even in that short time, when after the kings were driven out, that is, expelled, there was some fair and moderate justice, he said fear was the cause, because they feared the war which King Tarquin, driven from his throne and the City and allied with the Etruscans, was waging against the Romans. Notice then what he adds next: “Then the patricians began to treat the plebs as slaves, to dispose of their lives and backs in the manner of kings, to drive them from their land, and to rule alone, with the rest shut out. Oppressed by these cruelties, and above all by debt, the plebs, since it had to bear both taxes and military service in continual wars, took up arms and occupied the Sacred Mount and the Aventine, and then obtained for itself tribunes of the plebs and other rights. The end of discords and strife on both sides was the second Punic war.” You see from what time, that is, a short interval after the kings were driven out, what kind of men the Romans were of whom he says, “Right and good prevailed among them no more by laws than by nature.” Further, if those times are found to be such, in which the Roman state is proclaimed to have been most beautiful and best, what do we think must be said or thought of the following age, when, “gradually changed,” to use the words of the same historian, “from the most beautiful and best it became the worst and most shameful,” namely after the destruction of Carthage, as he recalled? How Sallust himself briefly recalls and describes those times can be read in his History: to what great evils of morals, which arose from prosperity, he shows that things came, right up to the civil wars. “From that time,” he says, “the morals of the ancestors were hurled headlong, not gradually as before, but like a torrent; the youth was so corrupted by luxury and avarice that it may rightly be said that men were born who could neither keep property themselves nor allow others to keep it.” Sallust then says more about the vices of Sulla and the other foulness of the state, and other writers agree with him, though far unequal in eloquence. Yet you see, I think, and whoever pays attention sees very easily, into what a sewer of the worst morals that city had sunk before the coming of our heavenly King. For these things happened not only before Christ, present in the flesh, had begun to teach, but even before he was born of the Virgin. Since, then, they do not dare to blame their gods for so many and such great evils of those times, whether the more tolerable earlier ones or the intolerable and horrible ones after Carthage was overthrown, gods who with malign cunning planted in human minds the opinions from which such vices grew like a forest, why do they blame the present evils on Christ, who by his most wholesome teaching forbids false and deceitful gods to be worshipped, and, detesting and condemning these harmful and shameful human desires by divine authority, is gradually withdrawing his household everywhere from this world, wasting away and sinking under these evils, so as to found with it an eternal city, most glorious not by the applause of vanity but by the judgment of truth?
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Summary: Augustine quotes Sallust's own History to show that Rome suffered oppression and discord even in its best period and sank into utter corruption after Carthage fell, long before Christ.
- Sallust, Catiline 9.1, 5.9; Histories 1.11–12 and 1.16 (fragments preserved largely by Augustine).
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR l for I): lus bonumque → Ius bonumque.
Extrabiblical texts: Sallust, Cat. 9.1 (Sallust; quotation); Sallust, Hist. 1.11–12 (Sallust; quotation); Sallust, Cat. 5.9 (Sallust; quotation); Sallust, Hist. 1.16 (Sallust; quotation)
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Civ. 2.18 (CSEL 40:82–85; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-civitate-dei/2-16/#p-2-18). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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2.19CSEL 40:85–87
CAPUT XVIIII. De corruptione Romanae rei publicae, priusquam cultum deorum Christus auferret. Ecce Romana res publica (quod non ego primus dico, sed auctores eorum, unde haec mercede didicimus, tanto ante dixerunt ante Christi aduentum) paulatim mutata ex pulcherrima adque optima pessima ac flagitiosissima facta est. Ecce ante Christi aduentum, post deletam Carthaginem maiorum mores non paulatim, ut antea, sed torrentis modo praecipitati, adeo iuuentus luxu adque auaritia corrupta est. Legant nobis contra luxum et auaritiam praecepta deorum suorum populo Romano data; cui utinam tantum casta et modesta reticerent, ac non etiam ab illo probrosa et ignominiosa deposcerent, quibus per falsam diuinitatem perniciosam conciliarent auctoritatem. Legant nostra et per prophetas et per sanctum euangelium, et per apostolicos actus et per epistulas tam multa contra auaritiam adque luxuriam ubique populis ad hoc congregatis quam excellenter, quam diuine non tamquam ex philosophorum concertationibus strepere, sed tamquam ex oraculis et Dei nubibus intonare. Et tamen luxu adque auaritia saeuisque ac turpibus moribus ante aduentum Christi rem publicam pessimam ac flagitiosissimam factam non inputant dis suis; adflictionem uero eius, quamcumque isto tempore superbia deliciaeque eorum perpessae fuerint, religioni increpitant Christianae. Cuius praecepta de iustis probisque moribus si simul audirent adque curarent reges terrae et omnes populi, principes et omnes iudices terrae, iuuenes et uirgines, seniores cum iunioribus, aetas omnis capax et uterque sexus, et quos baptista Iohannes adloquitur, exactores ipsi adque milites: et terras uitae praesentis ornaret sua felicitate res publica, et uitae aeternae culmen beatissime regnatura conscenderet. Sed quia iste audit, ille contemnit, pluresque uitiis male blandientibus quam utili uirtutum asperitati sunt amiciores: tolerare Christi famuli iubentur, siue sint reges siue principes siue iudices, siue milites siue prouinciales, siue diuites siue pauperes, siue liberi siue serui, utriuslibet sexus, etiam pessimam, si ita necesse est, flagitiosissimamque rem publicam et in illa angelorum quadam sanctissima adque augustissima curia caelestique re publica, ubi Dei uoluntas lex est, clarissimum sibi locum etiam ista conparare tolerantia.
Chapter 19. On the corruption of the Roman state before Christ took away the worship of the gods.
See, the Roman state (I am not the first to say it; their own authors, from whom we learned these things for a fee, said it so long ago, before the coming of Christ) “gradually changed from the most beautiful and best and became the worst and most shameful.” See, before the coming of Christ, after Carthage was destroyed, “the morals of the ancestors were hurled headlong, not gradually as before, but like a torrent; the youth was so corrupted by luxury and avarice.” Let them read to us the precepts of their gods against luxury and avarice given to the Roman people; would that the gods had merely been silent about chaste and modest things, and had not also demanded from that people disgraceful and ignominious things, to which they gave a pernicious authority through their false divinity! Let them read ours, how many precepts against avarice and luxury, through the prophets, through the holy gospel, through the Acts of the Apostles and the epistles, everywhere, to peoples gathered for this purpose, sound out, how excellently, how divinely, not as if clamoring from the disputes of philosophers, but thundering as if from the oracles and clouds of God. And yet they do not blame their gods for the state's having become the worst and most shameful before the coming of Christ through luxury and avarice and cruel and foul morals; but whatever affliction their pride and self-indulgence have suffered in this time, they lay to the charge of the Christian religion. If the kings of the earth and all peoples, princes and all judges of the earth, young men and maidens, old with young, every age capable of it and both sexes, and those whom John the Baptist addresses, the tax collectors themselves and the soldiers, were to hear and heed its precepts about just and upright morals together, the state would both adorn the lands of the present life with its happiness and ascend to the height of eternal life to reign in bliss. But because one hears and another despises, and more are friends to vices that flatter to harm than to the useful harshness of virtues, the servants of Christ, whether kings or princes or judges, soldiers or provincials, rich or poor, free or slave, of either sex, are commanded to bear with even the worst and most shameful state, if necessary, and by this very endurance to win for themselves a most glorious place in that most holy and majestic senate of angels, as it were, and heavenly commonwealth, where God's will is law.
Ps 148:11–12 (allusion, high confidence) · Luke 3:12–14 (allusion, high confidence) · Gal 3:28 (echo, low confidence)
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Summary: Augustine contrasts the silence of the gods on morals with the Christian Scriptures' constant teaching against avarice and luxury, and says Christians must bear even a corrupt state while aiming at the heavenly commonwealth.
- Sallust, Catiline 5.9 and Histories 1.16, as in 2.18. Psalm 148:11–12; Luke 3:12–14.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (leaked footnote number): corrupta est.3 → corrupta est..
Extrabiblical texts: Sallust, Cat. 5.9 (Sallust; quotation); Sallust, Hist. 1.16 (Sallust; quotation)
Topics: Ethics
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Civ. 2.19 (CSEL 40:85–87; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-civitate-dei/2-16/#p-2-19). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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2.20CSEL 40:87–88
CAPUT XX. Quali uelint felicitate gaudere et quibus moribus uiuere, qui tempora Christianae religionis incusant. Verum tales cultores et dilectores deorum istorum, quorum etiam imitatores in sceleribus et flagitiis se esse laetantur, nullo modo curant pessimam ac flagitiosissimam non esse rem publicam. Tantum stet, inquiunt, tantum floreat copiis referta, uictoriis gloriosa, uel, quod est felicius, pace secura sit. Et quid ad nos? Immo id ad nos magis pertinet, si diuitias quisque augeat semper, quae cottidianis effusionibus subpetant, per quas sibi etiam infirmiores subdat quisque potentior. Obsequantur diuitibus pauperes causa saturitatis adque ut eorum patrociniis quieta inertia perfruantur, diuites pauperibus ad clientelas et ad ministerium sui fastus abutantur. Populi plaudant non consultoribus utilitatum suarum, sed largitoribus uoluptatum. Non dura iubeantur, non prohibeantur inpura. Reges non curent quam bonis, sed quam subditis regnent. Prouinciae regibus non tamquam rectoribus morum, sed tamquam rerum dominatoribus et deliciarum suarum prouisoribus seruiant, eosque non sinceriter honorent, sed [nequiter ac] seruiliter timeant. Quid alienae uineae potius quam quid suae uitae quisque noceat, legibus aduertatur. Nullus ducatur ad iudicem, nisi qui alienae rei domui saluti uel cuiquam inuito fuerit inportunus aut noxius; ceterum de suis uel cum suis uel cum quibusque nolentibus faciat quisque quod libet. Abundent publica scorta uel propter omnes, quibus frui placuerit, uel propter eos maxime, qui habere priuata non possunt. Exstruantur amplissimae adque ornatissimae domus, opipara conuiuia frequententur, ubi cuique libuerit et potuerit, diu noctuque ludatur bibatur, uomatur diffluatur. Saltationes undique concrepent, theatra inhonestae laetitiae uocibus adque omni genere siue crudelissimae siue turpissimae uoluptatis exaestuent. Ille sit publicus inimicus, cui haec felicitas displicet; quisquis eam mutare uel auferre tentauerit, eum libera multitudo auertat ab auribus, euertat a sedibus, auferat a uiuentibus. Illi habeantur di ueri, qui hanc adipiscendam populis procurauerint adeptamque seruauerint. Colantur ut uoluerint, ludos exposcant quales uoluerint, quos cum suis uel de suis possint habere cultoribus: tantum efficiant, ut tali felicitati nihil ab hoste, nihil a peste, nihil ab ulla clade timeatur. — Quis hanc rem publicam sanus, non dicam Romano imperio, sed domui Sardanapali conparauerit? qui quondam rex ita fuit uoluptatibus deditus, ut in sepulcro suo scribi fecerit ea sola se habere mortuum, quae libido eius, etiam cum uiueret, hauriendo consumserat. Quem regem si isti haberent sibi in talibus indulgentem nec in eis cuiquam ulla seueritate aduersantem, huic libentius quam Romani ueteres Romulo templum et flaminem consecrarent.
Chapter 20. What kind of happiness those who accuse the times of the Christian religion want to enjoy, and by what morals they want to live.
But such worshippers and lovers of these gods, whose imitators in crimes and shameful deeds they are glad to be, do not care at all that the state should not be the worst and most shameful. “Only let it stand,” they say, “only let it flourish, full of resources, glorious with victories, or, what is happier, secure in peace. And what is it to us? Rather, what concerns us more is that everyone should keep increasing his riches, so that they may be enough for daily extravagance, and so that each more powerful man may subject the weaker to himself. Let the poor court the rich for the sake of a full belly and so as to enjoy quiet idleness under their patronage; let the rich misuse the poor as clients and as servants of their own pomp. Let the peoples applaud not those who look after their interests but those who lavish pleasures on them. Let nothing hard be commanded, nothing impure forbidden. Let kings care not how good but how subject their subjects are. Let the provinces serve the kings not as rulers of morals but as lords of property and providers of their pleasures, and let them honor them not sincerely but fear them slavishly. Let the laws take notice of the harm one does to another's vineyard rather than to one's own life. Let no one be brought before a judge except one who has been a nuisance or harm to another's property, house, or safety, or to anyone against his will; otherwise let each do as he likes with his own, or with his own people, or with anyone who is willing. Let there be plenty of public prostitutes, both for all who like to enjoy them and especially for those who cannot keep private ones. Let very large and richly adorned houses be built, let sumptuous banquets be thronged, where, as each likes and is able, there may be gambling, drinking, vomiting, and dissipation day and night. Let dancing resound everywhere; let the theaters seethe with shouts of indecent merriment and every kind of pleasure, whether most cruel or most foul. Let him be a public enemy who dislikes this happiness; whoever tries to change or take it away, let the free multitude turn him from its ears, turn him out of his home, and take him from among the living. Let those be held true gods who have procured this happiness for the peoples and preserved it once procured. Let them be worshipped as they wish, let them demand what games they wish, which they can have with their worshippers or at their worshippers' expense; only let them bring it about that such happiness fears nothing from the enemy, nothing from plague, nothing from any disaster.” What sane person would compare this state, I will not say with the Roman empire, but with the house of Sardanapalus? He was once a king so given to pleasures that he had it written on his tomb that in death he had only what his lust had consumed by swallowing it down while he lived. If these people had such a king, indulgent to them in such things and opposing no one in them with any severity, they would more gladly consecrate a temple and a flamen to him than the ancient Romans did to Romulus.
Textual problem in this passage: see the notes.
Notes and citation
Summary: Augustine satirizes the kind of state his opponents want, one devoted to wealth, pleasure, and license so long as it is safe, and compares it to the house of Sardanapalus.
- The epitaph of Sardanapalus is cited by Cicero, Tusculan Disputations 5.101.
- The editor deletes nequiter ac (“wickedly and”) before “slavishly” (square brackets); left out.
Extrabiblical texts: Cicero, Tusc. 5.101 (Cicero; allusion)
Topics: Ethics
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Civ. 2.20 (CSEL 40:87–88; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-civitate-dei/2-16/#p-2-20). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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2.21CSEL 40:88–93
CAPUT XXI.. Quae sententia fuerit Ciceronis de Romana re publica. Sed si contemnitur qui Romanam rem publicam pessimam ac flagitiosissimam dixit, nec curant isti quanta morum pessimorum ac flagitiosissimorum labe ac dedecore inpleatur, sed tantummodo ut consistat et maneat: audiant eam non, ut Sallustius narrat, pessimam ac flagitiosissimam factam, sed, sicut Cicero disputat, iam tunc prorsus perisse et nullam omnino remansisse rem publicam. Inducit enim Scipionem, eum ipsum qui Carthaginem extinxerat, de re publica disputantem, quando praesentiebatur ea corruptione, quam describit Sallustius, iam iamque peritura. Eo quippe tempore disputatur, quo iam unus Gracchorum occisus fuit, a quo scribit seditiones graues coepisse Sallustius. Nam mortis eius fit in eisdem libris commemoratio. Cum autem Scipio in secundi libri fine dixisset, ut in fidibus aut tibiis adque cantu ipso ac uocibus concentus est quidam tenendus ex distinctis sonis, quem inmutatum aut discrepantem aures eruditae ferre non possunt. isque concentus ex dissimillimarum uocum moderatione concors tamen efficitur et congruens: sic ex summis et infimis et mediis interiectis ordinibus, ut sonis, moderata ratione ciuitatem consensu dissimillimorum concinere, et quae harmonia a musicis dicitur in cantu, eam esse in ciuitate concordiam, artissimum adque optimum omni in re publica uinculum incolumitatis, eamque sine iustitia nullo pacto esse posse, ac deinde cum aliquanto latius et uberius disseruisset, quantum prodesset iustitia ciuitati quantumque obesset, si afuisset, suscepit deinde Philus, unus eorum qui disputationi aderant, et poposcit, ut haec ipsa quaestio diligentius tractaretur ac de iustitia plura dicerentur, propter illud, quod iam uulgo ferebatur rem publicam regi sine iniuria non posse. Hanc proinde quaestionem discutiendam et enodandam esse adsensus est Scipio responditque nihil esse, quod adhuc de re publica dictum putaret, quo possent longius progredi, nisi esset confirmatum non modo falsum esse illud, sine iniuria non posse, sed hoc uerissimum esse, sine summa iustitia rem publicam regi non posse. Cuius quaestionis explicatio cum in diem consequentem dilata esset, in tertio libro magna conflictione res acta est. Suscepit enim Philus ipse disputationem eorum, qui sentirent sine iniustitia geri non posse rem publicam, purgans praecipue, ne hoc ipse sentire crederetur, egitque sedulo pro iniustitia contra iustitiam, ut hanc esse utilem rei publicae, illam uero inutilem, ueri similibus rationibus et exemplis uelut conaretur ostendere. Tum Laelius rogantibus omnibus iustitiam defendere adgressus est adseruitque, quantum potuit, nihil tam inimicum quam iniustitiam ciuitati nec omnino nisi magna iustitia geri aut stare [posse] rem publicam., Qua quaestione, quantum satis uisum est, pertractata Scipio ad intermissa reuertitur recolitque suam adque commendat breuem rei publicae definitionem, qua dixerat eam esse rem populi. Populum autem non omnem coetum multitudinis, sed coetum iuris consensu et utilitatis communione sociatum esse determinat. Docet deinde quanta sit in disputando definitionis utilitas, adque ex illis suis definitionibus colligit tunc esse rem publicam, id est rem populi, cum bene ac iuste geritur siue ab uno rege siue a paucis optimatibus siue ab uniuerso populo. Cum uero iniustus est rex, quem tyrannum more Graeco appellauit, aut iniusti optimates, quorum consensum dixit esse factionem, aut iniustus ipse populus, cui nomen usitatum non repperit, nisi ut etiam ipsum tyrannum uocaret: non iam uitiosam, sicut pridie fuerat disputatum, sed, sicut ratio ex illis definitionibus conexa docuisset, omnino nullam esse rem publicam, quoniam non esset res populi, cum tyrannus eam factioue capesseret, nec ipse populus iam populus esset, si esset iniustus, quoniam non esset multitudo iuris consensu et utilitatis communione sociata, sicut populus fuerat definitus. Quando ergo res publica Romana talis erat, qualem illam describit Sallustius, non iam pessima ac flagitiosissima, sicut ipse ait, sed omnino nulla erat secundum istam rationem, quam disputatio de re publica inter magnos eius tum principes habita patefecit. Sicut etiam ipse Tullius non Scipionis nec cuiusquam alterius, sed suo sermone loquens in principio quinti libri commemorato prius Ennii poetae uersu, quo dixerat:. Moribus antiquis res stat Romana uirisque, quem quidem ille uersum, inquit, uel breuitate uel ueritate tamquam ex oraculo quodam mihi [ esse] effatus uidetur. Nam neque uiri, nisi ita morata ciuitas fuisset, neque mores. nisi hi uiri praefuissent, aut fundare aut tam diu tenere potuissent tantam et tam iuste longe lateque imperantem rem publicam. Itaque ante nostram memoriam et mos ipse patrius praestantes uiros adhibebat, et ueterem morem ac maiorum instituta retinebant excellentes uiri. Nostra uero aetas cum rem publicam sicut picturam accepisset egregiam, sed euanescentem uetustate, non modo eam coloribus isdem quibus fuerat renouare neglexit, sed ne id quidem curauit, ut formam saltem eius et extrema tamquam liniamenta seruaret. Quid enim manet ex antiquis moribus, quibus ille dixit rem stare Romanam, quos ita obliuione obsoletos uidemus, ut non modo non colantur, sed iam ignorentur? Nam de uiris quid dicam? Mores enim ipsi interierunt uirorum penuria, cuius tanti mali non modo reddenda ratio nobis, sed etiam tamquam reis capitis quodam modo dicenda causa est. Nostris enim uitiis, non casu aliquo, rem publicam uerbo retinemus, re ipsa uero iam pridem amisimus. Haec Cicero fatebatur, longe quidem post mortem Africani, quem in suis libris fecit de re publica disputare, adhuc tamen ante aduentum Christi; quae si diffamata et praeualescente religione Christiana sentirentur adque dicerentur, quis non istorum ea Christianis inputanda esse censeret? Quam ob rem quur non curarunt di eorum, ne tunc periret adque amitteretur illa res publica, quam Cicero longe, antequam Christus in carne uenisset, tam lugubriter deplorat amissam? Viderint laudatores eius etiam illis antiquis uiris et moribus qualis fuerit, utrum in ea uiguerit uera iustitia an forte nec tunc fuerit uiua moribus, sed picta coloribus; quod et ipse Cicero nesciens, cum eam praeferret, expressit. Sed alias, si Deus uoluerit, hoc uidebimus. Enitar enim suo loco, ut ostendam secundum definitiones ipsius Ciceronis, quibus quid sit res publica et quid sit populus loquente Scipione breuiter posuit (adtestantibus etiam multis siue ipsius siue eorum quos loqui fecit in eadem disputatione sententiis), numquam illam fuisse rem publicam, quia numquam in ea fuerit uera iustitia. Secundum probabiliores autem definitiones pro suo modo quodam res publica fuit, et melius ab antiquioribus Romanis quam a posterioribus administrata est; uera autem iustitia non est nisi in ea re publica, cuius conditor rectorque Christus est, si et ipsam rem publicam placet dicere, quoniam eam rem populi esse negare non possumus. Si autem hoc nomen, quod alibi aliterque uulgatum est, ab usu nostrae locutionis est forte remotius, in ea certe ciuitate est uera iustitia, de qua scriptura sancta dicit: Gloriosa dicta sunt de te, ciuitas Dei.
Chapter 21. What Cicero's opinion was of the Roman state.
But if the man who called the Roman state the worst and most shameful is disregarded, and these people do not care with what stain and disgrace of the worst and most shameful morals it is filled, but only that it should stand firm and last, let them hear that it had not, as Sallust relates, become the worst and most shameful, but, as Cicero argues, had even then utterly perished and no state at all remained. For he brings in Scipio, the very man who had destroyed Carthage, discussing the state at a time when it was foreseen that it would soon perish through the corruption Sallust describes. For the discussion is set at the time when one of the Gracchi had already been killed, from whom, Sallust writes, the serious seditions began; for his death is mentioned in the same books. Now at the end of the second book Scipio had said that, as with strings or pipes and in singing and voices themselves, a certain harmony must be kept among the different sounds, which trained ears cannot bear to hear altered or discordant, and this harmony is made concordant and consistent by the regulation of the most dissimilar voices, so from the highest, the lowest, and the intermediate orders, as from sounds, a city, by reasoned regulation, sounds in harmony through the agreement of the most dissimilar elements; and what musicians call harmony in singing is concord in a city, the closest and best bond of safety in every state, and this can by no means exist without justice. Then, when he had discussed at somewhat greater length and more fully how much justice benefits a city and how much it harms it if it is absent, Philus, one of those present at the discussion, took up the subject and asked that this very question be treated more carefully and more be said about justice, because of what was then commonly said, that a state cannot be governed without injustice. Scipio agreed that this question must be discussed and unraveled, and answered that nothing he thought had yet been said about the state would allow them to go further unless it were established not only that this saying, that it cannot be done without injustice, is false, but that this is most true: that a state cannot be governed without the highest justice. The treatment of this question was put off to the following day, and in the third book the matter was fought out in a great contest. For Philus himself took up the argument of those who held that a state cannot be run without injustice, protesting especially that he should not be thought to hold this himself; and he pleaded earnestly for injustice against justice, trying, as it were, to show by plausible reasons and examples that the one is useful to the state and the other useless. Then Laelius, at the request of all, undertook to defend justice, and asserted as far as he could that nothing is so hostile to a city as injustice, and that a state cannot be run or stand at all except by great justice. When this question had been treated as much as seemed sufficient, Scipio returns to what had been interrupted, recalls and commends his own brief definition of a state, in which he had said that it is the property of a people. And he defines a people not as every gathering of a multitude, but as a gathering united by agreement about right and by a partnership for the common good. He then teaches how great the usefulness of definition is in argument, and concludes from these definitions of his that a state, that is, the property of a people, exists when it is governed well and justly, whether by one king, or by a few nobles, or by the whole people. But when the king is unjust, whom he called a tyrant in the Greek fashion, or the nobles unjust, whose agreement he called a faction, or the people itself unjust, for which he found no customary name except to call it too a tyrant, then the state is no longer faulty, as had been argued the day before, but, as the reasoning connected with those definitions had taught, there is no state at all, since it is not the property of a people when a tyrant or a faction seizes it, nor is the people itself any longer a people if it is unjust, since it is no longer a multitude united by agreement about right and by a partnership for the common good, as a people had been defined. When, then, the Roman state was such as Sallust describes it, it was no longer the worst and most shameful, as he says, but no state at all, according to that reasoning which the discussion about the state held by its great leading men of that time made plain. So too Tullius himself, speaking not in the person of Scipio or anyone else but in his own words, at the beginning of the fifth book, first quotes the line of the poet Ennius in which he had said: “On ancient morals and on men the Roman state stands firm.” “This line,” he says, “seems to me to have been uttered as if by an oracle, for its brevity and its truth. For neither the men, unless the city had had such morals, nor the morals, unless these men had been in charge, could have founded or maintained for so long so great a state, ruling so justly far and wide. So before our time the ancestral custom itself brought forward outstanding men, and excellent men kept to the old custom and the institutions of their ancestors. But our age, having received the state like an excellent painting, though fading with age, not only neglected to restore it with the same colors it had had, but did not even take care to preserve at least its form and, as it were, its outlines. For what remains of the ancient morals on which he said the Roman state stands firm? We see them so worn out by forgetfulness that they are not only not practiced but no longer even known. And what shall I say of the men? For the morals themselves have perished through a lack of men, and for so great an evil we must not only give an account but even, in a way, plead our case as if accused on a capital charge. For it is by our own vices, not by some accident, that we keep the state in name but have long since lost it in reality.” Cicero admitted this long after the death of Africanus, whom he made a speaker on the state in his books, but still before the coming of Christ. If such things were thought and said when the Christian religion had been spread abroad and was prevailing, which of these people would not judge that they should be blamed on the Christians? Why then did their gods not take care that that state, whose loss Cicero laments so mournfully long before Christ came in the flesh, should not perish and be lost then? Let its praisers consider what it was like even with those ancient men and morals, whether true justice flourished in it, or whether perhaps even then it was not living in its morals but painted in colors; which Cicero himself expressed without knowing it, while extolling it. But we shall see this elsewhere, if God wills. For I shall try in its place to show, according to Cicero's own definitions, in which he briefly set out through Scipio's mouth what a state is and what a people is (supported also by many statements, whether his own or of those he made speak in the same discussion), that it never was a state, because there never was true justice in it. According to more acceptable definitions, however, it was a state in its own way, and it was better administered by the earlier Romans than by the later. But true justice exists only in that commonwealth whose founder and ruler is Christ, if we choose to call it a commonwealth too, since we cannot deny that it is the property of a people. But if this name, which is commonly used elsewhere and in other senses, is perhaps too far from our usual way of speaking, there is certainly true justice in that city of which holy Scripture says: “Glorious things are spoken of you, city of God.”
Textual problem in this passage: see the notes.
Ps 87:3 (86:3 LXX) (quotation, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: Augustine summarizes Cicero's argument in the Republic that without justice there is no true state, and Cicero's own admission that Rome had lost its state through vice before Christ, concluding that true justice exists only in the city of God.
- Cicero, On the Republic 2.42–44; 3 (the debate of Philus and Laelius); 1.39; 5.1–2, quoting Ennius, Annals 156 (Skutsch). Psalm 87:3 (LXX/Vulgate 86:3). Augustine returns to the definition of a people in Book 19.
- The editor deletes posse (after “stand”) and esse (in the Cicero quotation) (square brackets); left out.
Extrabiblical texts: Cicero, Rep. 2.42–44 (Cicero; quotation); Cicero, Rep. 3 (Cicero; allusion); Cicero, Rep. 1.39 (Cicero; allusion); Cicero, Rep. 5.1–2 (Cicero; quotation); Ennius, Ann. 156 (Ennius; quotation)
Topics: Ethics
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Civ. 2.21 (CSEL 40:88–93; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-civitate-dei/2-16/#p-2-21). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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2.22CSEL 40:93–95
CAPUT XXII. Quod dis Romanorum nulla umquam cura fuerit, ne malis moribus res publica deperiret. Sed quod pertinet ad praesentem quaestionem, quamlibet laudabilem dicant istam fuisse uel esse rem publicam, secundum eorum auctores doctissimos iam longe ante Christi aduentum pessima ac flagitiosissima facta erat; immo uero nulla erat adque omnino perierat perditissimis moribus. Ut ergo non periret, di custodes eius populo cultori suo dare praecipue uitae ac morum praecepta debuerunt, a quo tot templis, tot sacerdotibus et sacrificiorum generibus, tam multiplicibus uariisque sacris, tot festis sollemnitatibus, tot tantorumque ludorum celebritatibus colebantur; ubi nihil daemones nisi negotium suum egerunt, non curantes quem ad modum illi uiuerent, immo curantes ut etiam perdite uiuerent, dum tamen honori suo illa omnia metu subditi ministrarent. Aut si dederunt, proferatur ostendatur legatur, quas deorum leges illi ciuitati datas contemserint Gracchi, ut seditionibus cuncta turbarent, quas Marius et Cinna et Carbo, ut in bella etiam progrederentur ciuilia causis iniquissimis suscepta et crudeliter gesta crudeliusque finita, quas denique Sylla ipse, cuius uitam mores facta describente Sallustio aliisque scriptoribus historiae quis non exhorreat? quis illam rem publicam non tunc perisse fateatur? An forte propter huiusce modi ciuium mores Vergilianam illam sententiam, sicut solent, pro defensione deorum suorum obponere audebunt:. Discessere omnes adytis arisque relictis Di, quibus imperium hoc steterat? Primum si ita est, non habent quur querantur de religione Christiana, quod hac offensi eos di sui deseruerint, quoniam quidem maiores eorum iam pridem moribus suis ab Urbis altaribus tam multos ac minutos deos tamquam muscas abegerunt. Sed tamen haec numinum turba ubi erat, cum longe antequam mores corrumperentur antiqui a Gallis Roma capta et incensa est? An praesentes forte dormiebant? Tunc enim tota Urbe in hostium potestatem redacta collis solus Capitolinus remanserat, qui etiam ipse caperetur, nisi saltem anseres dis dormientibus uigilarent. Unde paene in superstitionem Aegyptiorum bestias auesque colentium Roma deciderat, cum anseri sollemnia celebrabant. Verum de his aduenticiis et corporis potius quam animi malis, quae uel ab hostibus uel alia clade accidunt, nondum interim disputo: nunc ago de labe morum, quibus primum paulatim decoloratis, deinde torrentis modo praecipitatis tanta quamuis integris tectis moenibusque facta est ruina rei publicae, ut magni auctores eorum eam tunc amissam non dubitent dicere. Recte autem abscesserant, ut amitteretur, omnes adytis arisque relictis di, si eorum de bona uita adque iustitia ciuitas praecepta contemserat. Nunc uero quales, quaeso, di fuerunt, si noluerunt cum populo cultore suo uiuere, quem male uiuentem non docuerant bene uiuere?
Chapter 22. That the gods of the Romans never took any care that the state should not perish through bad morals.
But as far as the present question is concerned, however praiseworthy they may say that state was or is, according to their most learned authors it had become the worst and most shameful long before the coming of Christ; indeed, it did not exist and had utterly perished through the most depraved morals. So that it might not perish, then, its guardian gods ought above all to have given precepts of life and morals to the people that worshipped them, by whom they were worshipped with so many temples, so many priests and kinds of sacrifices, such manifold and varied rites, so many festal solemnities, such crowded celebrations of so many great games; in all of which the demons did nothing but their own business, not caring how the people lived, but rather caring that they should live even depravedly, provided that, subject to them through fear, they performed all these things in their honor. Or if they did give them, let it be produced, shown, read: which laws of the gods given to that city did the Gracchi despise, so as to throw everything into confusion with seditions? Which did Marius and Cinna and Carbo despise, so as to go on even into civil wars undertaken for the most unjust causes, waged cruelly, and ended more cruelly still? Which, finally, did Sulla himself despise, at whose life, morals, and deeds, as Sallust and other historians describe them, who does not shudder? Who would not admit that that state perished then? Or perhaps, because of the morals of such citizens, they will dare to set against us, as they usually do in defense of their gods, that saying of Virgil: “All the gods by whom this empire had stood have departed, leaving their shrines and altars”? First, if this is so, they have no reason to complain of the Christian religion, that their gods were offended by it and deserted them, since their ancestors long ago by their morals drove away so many tiny gods, like flies, from the altars of the City. But where was this crowd of deities when, long before the ancient morals were corrupted, Rome was taken and burned by the Gauls? Perhaps they were present but asleep? For then, when the whole City had been brought into the enemy's power, only the Capitoline hill remained, and it too would have been taken had not at least the geese kept awake while the gods slept. Whence Rome nearly fell into the superstition of the Egyptians, who worship beasts and birds, when they celebrated a festival for the goose. But I am not yet discussing these external evils, which belong to the body rather than the mind and come either from enemies or from some other disaster. I am dealing now with the decay of morals, which, first gradually fading, then rushing headlong like a torrent, brought such ruin on the state, though its roofs and walls were intact, that their great authors do not hesitate to say that it was then lost. And the gods had rightly withdrawn, “all leaving their shrines and altars,” so that it might be lost, if the city had despised their precepts about a good life and justice. But now, I ask, what kind of gods were they, if they refused to live with the people that worshipped them, when they had not taught that people, living badly, to live well?
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Summary: Augustine argues that the gods gave no moral laws to prevent the civil strife of the Gracchi, Marius, and Sulla, and ridicules the claim that they had abandoned Rome, recalling that the geese, not the gods, saved the Capitol.
- Virgil, Aeneid 2.351–352; the geese of the Capitol: Livy 5.47.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR Y for V): Yergilianam → Vergilianam.
Extrabiblical texts: Virgil, Aen. 2.351–352 (Virgil; quotation); Livy, 5.47 (Livy, History of Rome; allusion)
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Civ. 2.22 (CSEL 40:93–95; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-civitate-dei/2-16/#p-2-22). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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2.23CSEL 40:95–97
CAPUT XXIII. Varietates rerum temporalium non ex fauore aut inpugnatione daemonum, sed ex ueri Dei pendere iudicio. Quid quod etiam uidentur eorum adfuisse cupiditatibus inplendis, et ostenduntur non praefuisse refrenandis, qui enim Marium nouum hominem et ignobilem, cruentissimum auctorem bellorum ciuilium adque gestorem, ut septiens consul fieret adiuuerunt adque ut in septimo suo consulatu moreretur senex nec in manus Syllae futuri mox uictoris inrueret. Si enim ad haec eum di eorum non iuuerunt, non parum est quod fatentur etiam non propitiis dis suis posse accidere homini istam temporalem, quam nimis diligunt, tantam felicitatem et posse homines, sicut fuit Marius, salute uiribus, opibus honoribus, dignitate longaeuitate cumulari et perfrui dis iratis; posse etiam homines, sicut fuit Regulus, captiuitate seruitute inopia, uigiliis doloribus excruciari et emori dis amicis. Quod si ita esse concedunt, conpendio nihil eos prodesse et coli superfluo confitentur. Nam si uirtutibus animi et probitati uitae, cuius praemia post mortem speranda sunt, magis contraria ut populus disceret institerunt; si nihil etiam in his transeuntibus et temporalibus bonis uel eis quos oderunt nocent, uel eis quos diligunt prosunt, ut quid coluntur, ut quid tanto studio colendi requiruntur? Quur laboriosis tristibusque temporibus, tamquam offensi abscesserint, murmuratur et propter eos Christiana religio conuiciis indignissimis laeditur? Si autem habent in his rebus uel beneficii uel maleficii potestatem, quur in eis adfuerunt pessimo uiro Mario, et optimo Regulo defuerunt? An ex hoc ipsi intelleguntur iniustissimi et pessimi? Quod si propterea magis timendi et colendi putantur, neque hoc putentur; neque enim minus eos inuenitur Regulus coluisse quam Marius. Nec ideo uita pessima eligenda uideatur, quia magis Mario quam Regulo di fauisse existimantur. Metellus enim Romanorum laudatissimus, qui habuit quinque filios consulares, etiam rerum temporalium felix fuit, et Catilina pessimus obpressus inopia et in bello sui sceleris prostratus infelix, et uerissima adque certissima felicitate praepollent boni Deum colentes, a quo solo conferri potest. Illa igitur res publica malis moribus cum periret, nihil di eorum pro dirigendis uel pro corrigendis egerunt moribus, ne periret; immo deprauandis et corrumpendis addiderunt moribus, ut periret. Nec se bonos fingant, quod uelut offensi ciuium iniquitate discesserint. Prorsus ibi erant; produntur, conuincuntur; nec subuenire praecipiendo nec latere tacendo potuerunt. Omitto quod Marius a miserantibus Minturnensibus Maricae deae in luco eius commendatus est, ut ei omnia prosperaret, et ex summa desperatione reuersus incolumis in Urbem duxit crudelem crudelis exercitum; ubi quam cruenta, quam inciuilis hostilique inmanior eius uictoria fuerit, eos qui scripserunt legant qui uolunt. Sed hoc, ut dixi, omitto, nec Maricae nescio cui tribuo Marii sanguineam felicitatem, sed occultae potius prouidentiae Dei ad istorum ora claudenda eosque ab errore liberandos, qui non studiis agunt, sed haec prudenter aduertunt, quia, etsi aliquid in his rebus daemones possunt, tantum possunt, quantum secreto omnipotentis arbitrio permittuntur, ne magnipendamus terrenam felicitatem, quae sicut Mario malis etiam plerumque conceditur, nec eam rursus quasi malam arbitremur, cum ea multos etiam pios ac bonos unius ueri Dei cultores inuitis daemonibus praepolluisse uideamus, nec eosdem inmundissimos spiritus uel propter haec ipsa bona malaue terrena propitiandos aut timendos existimemus, quia, sicut ipsi mali homines in terra, sic etiam illi non omnia quae uolunt facere possunt, nisi quantum illius ordinatione sinitur, cuius plene iudicia nemo conprehendit, iuste nemo reprehendit.
Chapter 23. That the changes of temporal things depend not on the favor or hostility of demons but on the judgment of the true God.
What of the fact that they even seem to have been present to fulfill men's desires, while they are shown not to have presided over restraining them? For it was they who helped Marius, a new man of low birth, the bloodiest instigator and conductor of civil wars, to become consul seven times and to die an old man in his seventh consulship, without falling into the hands of Sulla, who was soon to be victor. For if their gods did not help him to these things, it is no small admission that even without the favor of their gods such great temporal happiness, which they love too much, can come to a man; and that men such as Marius can be heaped with health, strength, wealth, honors, rank, and long life, and enjoy them, while the gods are angry; and that men such as Regulus can be tormented with captivity, slavery, want, sleeplessness, and pain, and die, while the gods are friendly. If they grant this, they admit in short that the gods are of no use and are worshipped to no purpose. For if they insisted rather that the people should learn what is contrary to virtues of the mind and uprightness of life, whose rewards are to be hoped for after death; if even in these passing and temporal goods they neither harm those they hate nor help those they love, why are they worshipped, why are they sought with such zeal to be worshipped? Why is there murmuring in hard and sad times, as if they had gone away offended, and why is the Christian religion wounded with most unworthy insults on their account? But if they have power in these matters either to benefit or to harm, why did they stand by the worst of men, Marius, and fail the best, Regulus? Or are they understood from this to be most unjust and wicked themselves? But if for that reason they are thought all the more to be feared and worshipped, let them not be thought so either; for Regulus is found to have worshipped them no less than Marius. Nor should the worst life seem worth choosing because the gods are thought to have favored Marius more than Regulus. For Metellus, the most praised of the Romans, who had five sons of consular rank, was fortunate even in temporal things, and Catiline, the worst of men, oppressed by poverty and laid low in the war of his own crime, was unfortunate; and the good who worship God, by whom alone it can be conferred, excel in the truest and surest happiness. So when that state was perishing through bad morals, their gods did nothing to direct or correct its morals so that it would not perish; rather they added to the depravity and corruption of its morals so that it would perish. And let them not pretend to be good, as if they had gone away offended by the wickedness of the citizens. They were certainly there; they are exposed, convicted; they could neither help by teaching nor hide by keeping silent. I pass over the fact that Marius was commended by the Minturnians, who took pity on him, to the goddess Marica in her grove, that she might prosper all things for him, and that, returning safe from the depths of despair, he led a cruel army, cruel himself, into the City; how bloody, how uncivil, and more savage than an enemy's his victory was there, let those who wish read those who have written of it. But this, as I said, I pass over; and I do not attribute the bloody good fortune of Marius to some Marica or other, but rather to the hidden providence of God, to shut the mouths of these people and free from error those who do not act from partisanship but consider these things prudently: that even if demons have some power in these matters, they have only as much as they are permitted by the secret decision of the Almighty; so that we may not set great value on earthly happiness, which is often granted even to the wicked, as it was to Marius, nor again think it evil, since we see that many godly and good worshippers of the one true God have excelled in it in spite of the demons; nor think that these most unclean spirits must be propitiated or feared for the sake of these earthly goods or evils, because, just as wicked men on earth cannot do everything they want, so neither can they, except as far as is allowed by the ordering of him whose judgments no one fully comprehends and no one justly finds fault with.
Rom 11:33 (echo, low confidence)
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Summary: Augustine argues from the careers of Marius, Regulus, Metellus, and Catiline that temporal good fortune does not depend on the gods but on the hidden providence of the true God.
- Marius's flight to Minturnae and the grove of Marica: Plutarch, Marius 39. Quintus Caecilius Metellus Macedonicus had four sons who were consuls (Valerius Maximus 7.1.1); Augustine's “five” follows his source.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR garbling): in ten a → in terra.
Extrabiblical texts: Plutarch, Mar. 39 (Plutarch; allusion)
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Civ. 2.23 (CSEL 40:95–97; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-civitate-dei/2-16/#p-2-23). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Translation: Translated by Claude from Hoffmann's Latin text (CSEL 40, 1899–1900); compared afterwards with the NPNF¹ 2 translation (Dods, 1887).