Letters 235.1–238.8
Latin text: Goldbacher, CSEL 34, 44, 57 (Latin text: Alois Goldbacher (CSEL 34, 44, 57, 1895–1911), digitized by Open Greek and Latin (csel-dev, University of Leipzig), CC BY-SA 4.0).English: Claude (claude-opus-5-5), public domain (CC0). Compare: Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers, series 1, vol. 1 (1886).
Chapter 235
235.1CSEL 57:521–522
Cepi fructum scripti mei, rescriptum scilicet beniuolentiae tuae. unde iam uideo exortum et exorsum inter nos magnae ac de re magna disputationis quasi sementum. hoc est, quod uolebam prius; deinde quod adhuc uolo, deus adiuuabit; id autem est, ut hoc coeptum debito ac salubri fine claudatur. proinde, quod de Christo nihil temere tibi uel negandum uel adfirmandum putasti, hoc in pagani animo temperamentum non inuitus acceperim. quod uero etiam scriptis meis de hac re doceri te cupis, nequaquam abnuam neque desistam huic tam bonae mihique carissimae seruire uoluntati tuae. sed prius opus est eliquare quodam modo perspicuamque sumere sententiam tuam de antiquis sacris. cum enim dixisses eam uiam in deum esse meliorem, qua uir bonus piis, iustis. puris, castis. ueris dictis factisque sine ulla temporum mutatorum captata iactatione probatus et deorum comitatu uallatus dei utique potestatibus emeritis, id est eius unius et uniuersi et incomprehensibilis et infatigabilis infatigabilisque creatoris impletis uirtutibus, quod, ut uestrum est, angelos dicitis uel quid alterum post deum uel cum deo, aut a deo aut in deum intentione animi mentisque ire festinat, quae uerba ex epistula tua recognoscis, tum addidisti et aisti: Via est, inquam, qua purgati antiquorum sacrorum piis praeceptis expiationibusque purissimis et abstemiis obseruationibus decocti anima et corpore constantes deproperant.
I have gained the fruit of my letter, namely the reply of your goodwill. From it I now see that there has arisen and begun between us something like the seed of a great discussion about a great matter. This is what I wanted first; what I still want, God will help with: that is, that what has been begun may be brought to its due and wholesome end. So I accept, not unwillingly, this restraint in a pagan's mind, that you thought you should neither rashly deny nor affirm anything about Christ. And as for your wish to be taught by my writings about this, I will by no means refuse, nor will I cease to serve this good will of yours, very dear to me. But first it is necessary in some way to clarify and grasp plainly your view of the ancient rites. For when you had said that the better way to God is that by which a good man, “proved by pious, just, pure, chaste, true words and deeds without any boasting sought from changing times, and surrounded by the company of the gods, the powers of God having been earned, that is, the virtues of that one, universal, incomprehensible, untiring Creator having been fulfilled, whom, as is your custom, you call angels, or something else after God or with God, either from God or toward God, hastens to go with the intention of soul and mind” (you recognize these words from your letter), you then added: “It is the way, I say, by which those who are purified by the pious precepts of the ancient rites and by most pure expiations, and refined by abstinent observances, hasten on, steadfast in soul and body.”
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Summary: Augustine welcomes Longinianus's reserve about Christ and asks him first to clarify his view of the ancient rites, quoting his letter back to him.
- Augustine to Longinianus.
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 235.1 (CSEL 57:521–522; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/235-1/#p-235-1).
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235.2CSEL 57:522–523
In his uerbis sentio. ni fallor, uideri tibi non sufficere ad uiam, qua itur in deum, ut uir bonus piis, iustis, puris, castis, ueris dictis factisque promereatur deos. quorum comitatu uallatus in illum summum deum omnium creatorem ire festinet, nisi etiam sacrorum antiquorum piis praeceptis expiationibusque purgetur. quam ob rem uelim scire, quid arbitreris esse per sacra purgandum in eo, qui pie, iuste, pure ueraciterque uiuendo promeretur deos et per eos unum illum deorum deum. si enim adhuc sacris purgandus est, utique mundus non est et, si mundus non est, pie, iuste, pure casteque non uiuit. si autem iam ita uiuit, iam mundus est. porro iam mundum atque purum quid opus est sacris expiando purgari? itaque hic nodus est disputationis nostrae, quo soluto consequentia uidebimus: uiuatne homo bene, ut sacris purgetur, an sacris purgetur, ut bene uiuat, an ipse quantuscumque bene uiuendi in homine modus nondum sit idoneus ad beatam uitam, quae ex deo capitur, nisi accedant adiumenta sacrorum, an bene uiuendi quaedam uelut portio sit etiam sacra percipere. ut scilicet non aliud sit bene uiuere aliud sacrate uiuere, sed bene uiuendi terminis etiam sacrata uita claudatur. horum quattuor, quae proposui, quid potissimum probes, quaeso te litteris aperire non pigeat. plurimum quippe interest ad id, quod suscepimus inter nos conloquendo peragere, ne, cum multa non necessaria, tamquam ea sentias, quae forte non sentis, refellere molior, tempus necessarium in superfluis insumatur. onerare itaque epistulam nolui, ut te cito rescribente cetera contexamus.
In these words I sense, unless I am mistaken, that you think it is not enough for the way by which one goes to God that a good man, by pious, just, pure, chaste, true words and deeds, should earn the favor of the gods, so that, surrounded by their company, he may hasten to go to that highest God, Creator of all, unless he is also purified by the pious precepts and expiations of the ancient rites. Therefore I would like to know what you think must be purified by rites in one who, by living piously, justly, purely and truthfully, earns the favor of the gods and through them of that one God of gods. For if he still has to be purified by rites, he is certainly not clean; and if he is not clean, he does not live piously, justly, purely and chastely. But if he already lives so, he is already clean. And what need is there for one already clean and pure to be purified by expiating rites? So here is the knot of our discussion; when it is untied, we will see what follows: whether a man lives well in order to be purified by rites, or is purified by rites in order to live well; or whether the measure of good living in a man, however great, is not yet fit for the happy life that is received from God unless the aids of the rites are added; or whether receiving the rites is itself, as it were, a part of living well, so that living well is not one thing and living by the rites another, but the life of the rites is included within the bounds of good living. Which of these four I have proposed you most approve, please do not mind disclosing by letter. For it matters greatly for what we have undertaken to carry through in conversation with each other that, while I try to refute many unnecessary things as if you held views you perhaps do not hold, necessary time should not be spent on superfluous things. So I did not want to burden the letter, so that when you reply quickly we may weave together the rest.
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Summary: Augustine asks Longinianus whether the ancient rites purify the good life, produce it, complete it, or form part of it.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR misread): pnrgandum → purgandum; saciis → sacris.
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 235.2 (CSEL 57:522–523; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/235-1/#p-235-2).
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Chapter 236
236.1CSEL 57:523–524
Nihil melius me facere posse arbitratus sum. quam ut tuae sanctitati potissimum scriberem, ne per neglegentiam in uestra prouincia domini nostri Iesu Christi ouile uastet inimicus, qui non desinit insidiari, ut perdat animas tam magno pretio comparatas. Mallianensem quendam subdiaconum Victorinum apud nos constitit esse Manichaeum et in tam sacrilego errore sub nomine clerici latitabat; nam est etiam aetate iam senex. ita est autem manifestatus, ut etiam ipse a me interrogatus. antequam a testibus coargueretur, negare non posset. tot enim et tales iam esse sciebat, quibus se incautus effuderat. ut nihil aliud, si negare temptaret, quam non dico inpudentissimus sed insanissimus appareret. auditorem sane Manichaeorum, non electum se esse confessus est.
I thought I could do nothing better than to write to Your Holiness above all, so that the enemy, who never stops lying in wait to destroy souls bought at so great a price, may not through negligence lay waste the sheepfold of our Lord Jesus Christ in your province. A certain subdeacon of Malliana, Victorinus, has been proved among us to be a Manichee, and in so sacrilegious an error he was hiding under the name of a cleric; and he is already an old man in age. He was so exposed that, when questioned by me, even before he was convicted by witnesses, he could not deny it; for he knew there were already so many, and such people, to whom he had incautiously poured himself out, that if he tried to deny it he would appear, I will not say most shameless, but quite insane. He confessed, however, that he was a Hearer of the Manichees, not one of the Elect.
1 Cor 6:20 (allusion, medium confidence)
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Summary: Augustine informs Bishop Deuterius that Victorinus, an aged subdeacon of Malliana, has confessed to being a Manichaean Hearer.
- To Deuterius, bishop of Caesarea in Mauretania. Allusion: 1 Cor 6:20.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR misread): eftuderat → effuderat.
Topics: Heresy, Church office
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 236.1 (CSEL 57:523–524; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/235-1/#p-236-1).
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236.2CSEL 57:524–525
Auditores autem qui appellantur apud eos, et carnibus uescuntur et agros colunt et, si uoluerint, uxores habent. quorum nihil faciunt, qui electi uocantur. sed ipsi auditores ante electos genua figunt, ut eis manus supplicibus inponatur non a solis presbyteris uel episcopis aut diaconis eorum sed a quibuslibet electis. solem etiam et lunam cum eis adorant et orant. die quoque dominico cum illis ieiunant et omnes blasphemias cum illis credunt, quibus Manichaeorum haeresis detestanda est, negantes scilicet Christum natum esse de uirgine nec eius carnem ueram confitentes fuisse sed falsam ac per hoc et falsam eius passionem et nullam resurrectionem fuisse contendunt. patriarchas prophetasque blasphemant. legem per famulum dei Moysen datam non a uero deo dicunt sed a principe tenebrarum. animas non solum hominum sed etiam pecorum de dei esse substantia et omnino partes dei esse arbitrantur. deum denique bonum et uerum dicunt cum tenebrarum gente pugnasse et partem suam tenebrarum principibus miscuisse eamque toto mundo inquinatam et ligatam per cibos electorum suorum et per solem ac lunam purgari adseuerant et, quod purgari de ipsa dei parte non potuerit, in fine saeculi aeterno ac poenali uinculo conligari, ut non solum uiolabilis et corruptibilis et contaminabilis credatur deus, cuius pars potuit ad mala tanta perduci, sed non possit saltem totus a tanta coinquinatione et inmunditia et miseria uel in saeculi fine purgari.
Those who among them are called Hearers both eat meat and till the fields and, if they wish, have wives; none of which those called the Elect do. But the Hearers themselves kneel before the Elect, so that hands may be laid on them as suppliants, not only by their presbyters or bishops or deacons but by any of the Elect. They also worship and pray to the sun and moon with them. They fast with them on the Lord's day too, and believe with them all the blasphemies for which the Manichaean heresy is to be detested: denying that Christ was born of a virgin, not confessing that his flesh was real but false, and therefore contending that his passion too was false and that there was no resurrection. They blaspheme the patriarchs and prophets. They say the law given through God's servant Moses was not from the true God but from the prince of darkness. They think that the souls not only of men but even of beasts are of God's substance and altogether parts of God. Finally they say that the good and true God fought with the race of darkness and mixed part of himself with the princes of darkness, and they assert that this part, defiled and bound throughout the whole world, is purified by the food of their Elect and by the sun and moon; and that what of this very part of God could not be purified is bound at the end of the world in an eternal and penal bond: so that God is believed not only to be violable, corruptible and capable of defilement, since part of him could be brought to such evils, but also unable to be purified wholly from such defilement, uncleanness and misery even at the end of the world.
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Summary: Augustine describes Manichaean Hearers and Elect and their doctrines: docetism, rejection of the Old Testament, the soul as part of God, and God's mixture with darkness.
- Augustine's description of Manichaean teaching, as he understood it.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR misread): ueacuntur → uescuntur; resun-ectionem → resurrectionem.
Topics: Heresy, Christology
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 236.2 (CSEL 57:524–525; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/235-1/#p-236-2).
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236.3CSEL 57:525–526
Has cum illis intolerabiles blasphemias subdiaconus iste quasi catholicus non solum credebat, sed, quibus uiribus poterat, et docebat. nam docens patefactus est, cum se quasi discentibus credidit. rogauit me quidem, postea quam se Manichaeorum auditorem esse confessus est, ut eum in uiam ueritatis doctrinae catholicae reuocarem, sed, fateor, eius fictionem sub clerici specie uehementer exhorrui eumque coercitum pellendum de ciuitate curaui. nec mihi hoc satis fuit, nisi et tuae sanctitati t etenim meis litteris intimarem, ut a clericorum gradu congrue ecclesiastica seueritate deiectus cauendus omnibus innotescat. petenti autem paenitentiae locum tunc credatur, si et alios, quos illic nouit esse, manifestauerit nobis non solum Mallianae sed in ipsa omnino prouincia.
These intolerable blasphemies this subdeacon, as though a Catholic, not only believed with them but also taught with what strength he could; for he was discovered while teaching, when he trusted himself to people he took for learners. After he confessed that he was a Hearer of the Manichees, he did ask me to call him back to the way of the truth of Catholic doctrine; but, I confess, I was deeply horrified at his pretense under the guise of a cleric, and I had him restrained and arranged for him to be expelled from the city. Nor was this enough for me unless I also informed Your Holiness by my letter, so that, deposed from the clerical rank with fitting church severity, he may become known to all as one to be avoided. But when he asks for a place of penance, let him be believed then, if he also discloses to us the others he knows to be there, not only at Malliana but in the whole province.
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Summary: Augustine asks Deuterius to depose Victorinus from clerical rank and to admit him to penance only if he names other Manichees in the province.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR misread; split word): Mani. chaeorum → Manichaeorum; finctionem → fictionem.
Topics: Heresy, Church office
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 236.3 (CSEL 57:525–526; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/235-1/#p-236-3).
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Chapter 237
237.1CSEL 57:526
Lectis his, quae misit sanctitas tua, uidetur mihi Argyrius in Priscillianistas aut nesciens inruisse. ita ut omnino, utrum ipsi essent Priscillianistae, ignoraret, aut iam eiusdem haeresis retibus implicatus. nam scripturas illas Priscillianistarum esse non dubito. uix autem mihi uacare utcumque potuit aliis atque aliis sine intermissione necessitatibus superantibus, ut unus mihi saltem totus ex duobus ipsis codicibus legeretur. nescio quo enim modo alius aberrauit et diligentissime inter nostros requisitus nullo modo potuit inueniri, domine beatissime et merito uenerabilis pater.
Having read what Your Holiness sent, it seems to me that Argyrius either fell upon the Priscillianists unawares, so that he did not know at all whether they were Priscillianists, or is already entangled in the nets of that heresy. For I do not doubt that those writings are the Priscillianists'. But, with one necessity after another pressing on me without a break, I could barely find leisure to have even one of the two volumes read through to me entire; for somehow the other went astray and, though searched for most diligently among our people, could in no way be found, my most blessed lord and justly venerable father.
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Summary: Augustine tells Bishop Ceretius that the writings he sent are Priscillianist and that Argyrius either met them unawares or is caught in the heresy.
- To Ceretius, a bishop (probably of Grenoble).
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR misread): intermissioue → intermissione.
Topics: Heresy
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 237.1 (CSEL 57:526; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/235-1/#p-237-1).
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237.2CSEL 57:526–527
Hymnus sane, quem dicunt esse domini nostri Iesu Christi, qui maxime permouit uenerationem tuam, in scripturis solet apocryphis inueniri. quae non propriae Priscillianistarum sunt. sed alii quoque haeretici eis nonnullarum sectarum impietate uanitatis utuntur inter se quidem diuersa sentientes. unde suas quisque uarias haereses sunt secuti, sed scripturas istas habent in sua diuersitate communes easque illi praecipue frequentare adsolent, qui legem ueterem et prophetas canonicos non accipiunt. negant enim haec ad deum bonum et ad Christum eius filium pertinere sicut Manichaei. sicut Marcionistae et ceteri, quibus haec blasphemia damnabilis placuit. qui etiam in scripturis canonicis testamenti noui, hoc est in ueris euangelicis et apostolicis litteris non accipiunt omnia, sed quod uolunt, et libros eligunt, quos accipiant. aliis inprobatis. sed et in singulis quibusque libris loca distinguunt, quae putantur suis erroribus conuenire: cetera in eis pro falsis habent. nam quidam Manichaei canonicum librum, cuius titulus est actus apostolorum, repudiant. timent enim euidentissimam ueritatem. ubi apparet sanctus spiritus missus, qui est a domino Iesu Christo in euangelica ueritate promissus. sub eius quippe spiritus nomine. a quo penitus alieni sunt, indocta hominum corda decipiunt mira caecitate adserentes eandem domini promissionem in suo haeresiarcha Manichaeo esse completam. quod et illi haeretici faciunt, qui uocantur Cataphryges, dicentes per nescio quos insanos, Montanum scilicet et Priscillam, quos et proprios suos prophetas habent, uenisse spiritum sanctum, quem dominus missurum se esse promisit.
The hymn which they say is our Lord Jesus Christ's, which most disturbed Your Reverence, is usually found in apocryphal writings, which are not peculiar to the Priscillianists; other heretics too use them with the impious vanity of several sects, although they differ among themselves. So each followed his own different heresy, but they hold these writings in common amid their diversity, and those who do not accept the Old Law and the canonical prophets are especially accustomed to use them. For they deny that these belong to the good God and to Christ his Son, like the Manichees, like the Marcionites and the others who have favored this damnable blasphemy. Even in the canonical Scriptures of the New Testament, that is, in the true Gospel and apostolic writings, they do not accept everything, but what they wish; they choose which books to accept and reject others. And in each book they mark off the passages they think agree with their errors and hold the rest as false. For some Manichees reject the canonical book entitled the Acts of the Apostles. They fear its most evident truth, where the Holy Spirit appears sent, who was promised by the Lord Jesus Christ in the truth of the Gospel. For under the name of this Spirit, from whom they are utterly estranged, they deceive untaught human hearts, asserting with wonderful blindness that this promise of the Lord was fulfilled in their heresiarch Mani. The heretics called Cataphrygians do the same, saying that through some madmen, Montanus and Priscilla, whom they hold as their own prophets, the Holy Spirit came whom the Lord promised to send.
John 14:16 (allusion, medium confidence)
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Summary: Augustine explains that the hymn ascribed to Christ comes from apocrypha shared by several heresies, which reject the Old Testament and parts of the New, as Manichees reject Acts.
- The hymn is the Hymn of Jesus found in the Acts of John (94–96). Allusion: John 14:16, 26.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR misread): lesu Christi → Iesu Christi; neris euangelicis → ueris euangelicis.
Topics: Heresy, Scripture and canon
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 237.2 (CSEL 57:526–527; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/235-1/#p-237-2).
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237.3CSEL 57:527–528
Priscillianistae uero accipiunt omnia et canonica et apocrypha simul; sed quaecumque, quae contra eos sunt, in suae peruersitatis sensus aliquando callida et astuta aliquando ridicula et hebeti expositione peruertunt nec saltem ita, ut ea ipsa, quae exponunt ab suae sectae hominibus alienis, uera esse credant. alioquin aut catholici essent aut non multum a ueritate alieni. qui et in ipsis scripturis apocryphis sensus catholicos inuenirent aut inuenire uelle uiderentur, sed, cum ipsi alia cum suis sentiant atque inter suos doceant siue discant, quae non audent prodere, quoniam re uera nefaria sunt et detestanda, tamen fidem catholicam eis, quos timent, praedicant, non quam teneant, sed sub qua lateant. possunt enim aliqui haeretici reperiri fortasse inmundiores, sed nullus istis fallacia comparatur. alii quippe, ut sunt hominum uitia, de huius uitae consuetudine uel infirmitate men an autem in ipsa nefaria doctrina haeresis suae praeceptum habere perhibentur. ut occultandorum dogmatum suorum causa etiam cum falsa iuratione mentiantur. hi, qui eos experti sunt et ipsorum fuerant atque ab eis dei misericordia liberati sunt, etiam uerba ipsa praecepti huius ista commemorant: Iura, periura, secretum prodere noli.
The Priscillianists, however, accept everything, canonical and apocryphal alike; but whatever is against them they twist into the sense of their perversity, sometimes by a cunning and crafty interpretation, sometimes by a ridiculous and dull one; and not even so that they themselves believe true the very interpretations they give to people outside their sect. Otherwise they would either be Catholics or not far from the truth, if they found Catholic meanings even in the apocryphal writings, or seemed to wish to find them. But since they think other things with their own people and teach or learn among themselves things they do not dare to divulge, because they are truly wicked and detestable, they nevertheless preach the Catholic faith to those they fear, not a faith they hold but one under which they hide. For perhaps some more unclean heretics can be found, but none is comparable to these in deceit. For other heretics, as human failings go, lie out of the habit or weakness of this life; but these are said to have, in the wicked doctrine of their heresy itself, a precept to lie even with false oaths in order to conceal their tenets. Those who have had experience of them, who were once their members and were freed from them by God's mercy, even recall the very words of this precept: “Swear, forswear, do not betray the secret.”
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Summary: Augustine says the Priscillianists accept all scriptures but twist them, hide their real teaching, and even have a precept permitting perjury to keep it secret.
- The digital text is defective at “men an autem”; translated by the evident sense (“lie …; but these”). The Priscillianist maxim is reported by Augustine from former members.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR misread): apacrypha → apocrypha.
Topics: Heresy
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 237.3 (CSEL 57:527–528; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/235-1/#p-237-3).
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237.4CSEL 57:528
Proinde, ut sine ulla difficultate uideatur, quam non hoc sentiunt de scripturis apocryphis, quod se exponere simulant, ratio consideranda est, quam reddere uidentur. ut eisdem scripturis tamquam diuina tribuatur auctoritas, ut, quod scelestius est, etiam canonicis praeferant. habes uerba eorum in illo codice ita posita: Hymnus domini, quem dixit secrete sanctis apostolis discipulis suis, quia scriptum est in euangelio: Hymno dicto ascendit in montem, et quod in canone non est positus propter eos. qui secundum se sentiunt et non secundum spiritum et ueritatem dei. et quia scriptum est: Sacramentum regis bonum est abscondere, opera autem dei reuelare honorificum est. ista est magna eorum ratio, cur iste hymnus non sit in canone, quia uelut sacramentum regis abscondendum fuit his, qui secundum carnem sentiunt et non secundum spiritum et ueritatem dei. ergo scripturae canonicae non pertinent ad sacramentum regis, quod istis abscondendum uidetur, et eis conscriptae sunt. qui secundum carnem sentiunt et non secundum spiritum et ueritatem dei. quod quid est aliud quam dicere scripturas sanctas canonicas nec secundum spiritum dei sapere nec pertinere ad ueritatem dei? quis hoc audiat? quis ualeat sustinere tantae impietatis horrorem? aut si scripturae canonicae spiritaliter a spiritalibus carnaliter a carnalibus sentiuntur, cur non est et iste hymnus in canone, si et ipsum spiritales spiritaliter carnales carnaliter sentiunt?
Therefore, so that it may be seen without any difficulty that they do not think about the apocryphal writings what they pretend to set forth, we must consider the reason they seem to give for ascribing divine authority to those writings, and, what is more wicked, even preferring them to the canonical ones. You have their words set down in that volume as follows: “The hymn of the Lord, which he spoke in secret to the holy apostles his disciples, because it is written in the Gospel, ‘When the hymn had been said, he went up the mountain’; and it was not placed in the canon because of those who think according to themselves and not according to the Spirit and the truth of God; and because it is written, ‘It is good to hide the sacrament of a king, but it is honorable to reveal the works of God.’” This is their great reason why this hymn is not in the canon: that, as the sacrament of the king, it had to be hidden from those who think according to the flesh and not according to the Spirit and the truth of God. Therefore the canonical Scriptures do not concern the sacrament of the king, which they think must be hidden, and were written for those who think according to the flesh and not according to the Spirit and the truth of God. What is this but to say that the holy canonical Scriptures neither savor according to the Spirit of God nor belong to the truth of God? Who would listen to this? Who could bear the horror of such impiety? Or, if the canonical Scriptures are understood spiritually by the spiritual and carnally by the carnal, why is this hymn not also in the canon, if the spiritual understand it too spiritually and the carnal carnally?
Matt 26:30 (quotation, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: Augustine refutes the Priscillianist claim that the hymn was kept out of the canon to hide it from carnal men, which implies the canon itself is unspiritual.
- Quoted within the Priscillianist text: Matt 26:30 (Mark 14:26); Tob 12:7.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR misread; stray mark): <in canone → in canone; ho« audiat → hoc audiat.
Extrabiblical texts: Tob 12:7 (Tobit [in RC, EO, ETH canons]; quotation)
Topics: Heresy, Scripture and canon
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 237.4 (CSEL 57:528; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/235-1/#p-237-4).
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237.5CSEL 57:528–529
Deinde quid causae est, ut eundem hymnum isti secundum scripturas canonicas conentur exponere? si enim propterea non est in scripturis canonicis. quia illae scripturae carnalibus hymnus autem iste spiritalibus scriptus est, quo modo de scripturis ad carnales homines pertinentibus exponitur hymnus, qui non pertinet ad carnales? si enim uerbi gratia propterea in isto hymno cantatur et dicitur: Soluere uolo et solui uolo’. quia, sicut isti haec uerba exponunt, soluit nos dominus Christus a conuersatione saeculi. ut non iterum ligemur in eo, haec in scripturis canonicis utique didicimus, quod soluat nos dominus a conuersatione saeculi et quia in eo non debemus iterum conligari. nam quid est aliud: Dirupisti uincula mea? quid est aliud: Dominus soluit compeditos? iam solutos autem apostolus admonet dicens: State ergo et ne iterum seruitutis iugo detineamini et apostolus Petrus dicit: Si enim refugientes coinquinationes mundi in cognitione domini nostri et saluatoris Iesu Christi his rursus impliciti superantur, facta sunt eis posteriora deteriora prioribus sic ostendens, cum soluti fuerimus, alligari nos mundo iterum non debere. cum itaque ista in canone sine ex his testimoniis. quae commemoraui. siue ex aliis plurimis manifesta sint et legi et praedicari non cessent, quid est, quod isti hunc hymnum, ubi ‛uerba’, ut secundum ipsos loquar. uerba obscurissime sunt posita, propterea dicunt in canone non esse, ne reuelarentur carnalibus, cum potius et uideamus in canone reuelata, in hoc autem hymno omnino uelata, sicut ipsi adserunt? nam, sicut magis credendum est, prorsus non sunt ipsa sed nescio quae alia. quae tali expositione multo amplius uelant et reuelare formidant..
Then what reason is there for them to try to explain this same hymn according to the canonical Scriptures? For if it is not in the canonical Scriptures because those Scriptures were written for the carnal and this hymn for the spiritual, how is a hymn that does not concern the carnal explained from Scriptures that concern carnal men? For if, for example, it is sung and said in this hymn, “I wish to loose and I wish to be loosed,” because, as they explain these words, the Lord Christ looses us from the way of life of the world, so that we are not bound in it again, this we have certainly learned in the canonical Scriptures: that the Lord looses us from the way of life of the world and that we ought not to be bound in it again. For what else is “You have broken my bonds”? What else is “The Lord looses the fettered”? And the apostle admonishes those already loosed, saying, “Stand fast, therefore, and do not be held again by the yoke of slavery”; and the apostle Peter says, “For if, having fled the defilements of the world in the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first,” showing thus that, once loosed, we ought not to be bound to the world again. Since, then, these things are plain in the canon, from the testimonies I have mentioned and from very many others, and never cease to be read and preached, why do they say that this hymn, where, to speak as they do, the words are set down very obscurely, is not in the canon so that it might not be revealed to the carnal, when rather we see things revealed in the canon and in this hymn altogether veiled, as they themselves assert? For, as is more to be believed, the meanings are not these at all but some others, which by such an explanation they veil far more and are afraid to reveal.
Ps 116:16 (115:7 LXX) (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 146:7 (145:7 LXX) (quotation, high confidence) · Gal 5:1 (quotation, high confidence) · 2 Pet 2:20 (quotation, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: Augustine argues that the Priscillianists explain the hymn's “I wish to loose and be loosed” from canonical texts, so the hymn's supposed secret is already open in the canon.
- The hymn line is from the Acts of John 95. Quotations: Ps 116:16 (LXX 115:7); Ps 146:7 (LXX 145:7); Gal 5:1; 2 Pet 2:20.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR misread; repeated syllable and stray hyphens; split word): Dein le → Deinde; nt eundem → ut eundem; scr ipturis → scripturis; Solnere → Soluere; DOS mundo → nos mundo; obscurissime- - sime → obscurissime; De reuelarentur → ne reuelarentur.
Topics: Heresy
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 237.5 (CSEL 57:528–529; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/235-1/#p-237-5).
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237.6CSEL 57:529–530
Nam utique. si hoc illis uerbis significatur, quod nos soluit dominus a conuersatione saeculi et ut non iterum eo, non diceretur: Soluere uolo et solui uolo sed: Soluere uolo et eos. quos soluero, ligari uolo. aut si membra sua, id est fideles suos in se transfigurat, quem ad modum ait: Esuriui et dedistis mihi manducare, diceret potius: Solui uolo et ligari nolo’. aut si propterea ipse soluit et ipse soluitur, quia soluit caput, membra soluuntur, quae persequebatur, cui clamauit de caelo: Saule, Saule, quid me persequeris? — hoc quidem uerborum istorum expositor iste non dixit, sed etiam si dixisset, id ei respondemus, quod paulo ante respondimus, quoniam haec in scripturis canonicis legimus. ibi intellegimus, inde firmamus, inde cotidie praedicamus. quid est igitur, quod iste hymnus dicitur carnalibus fuisse subtractus, ut non poneretur in canone, cum, quod in illo opertum est, in canone apertum sit? an usque adeo desipiunt. immo insaniunt, ut audeant dicere sacramentum regis in hoc hymno absconditum esse spiritalibus, in canone autem manifestum esse carnalibus?
For surely, if what is meant by those words is that the Lord looses us from the way of life of the world, and that we are not bound in it again, it would not be said, “I wish to loose and I wish to be loosed,” but, “I wish to loose, and I wish those whom I have loosed not to be bound.” Or if he transfers his members, that is, his faithful, into himself, as when he says, “I was hungry and you gave me to eat,” he would rather say, “I wish to be loosed and not to be bound.” Or if he both looses and is loosed because the head looses and the members are loosed, the members that the one persecuted to whom he cried from heaven, “Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me?”, this indeed the interpreter of these words did not say; but even if he had said it, we answer him what we answered a little before: that we read these things in the canonical Scriptures, understand them there, confirm them from there, and preach them from there daily. Why then is this hymn said to have been withheld from the carnal, so as not to be placed in the canon, when what is covered in it is uncovered in the canon? Or are they so foolish, or rather mad, as to dare to say that the sacrament of the king is hidden from the spiritual in this hymn but manifest to the carnal in the canon?
Matt 25:35 (quotation, high confidence) · Acts 9:4 (quotation, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: Augustine continues that the Priscillianist interpretations of the hymn do not fit its words and are in any case already plain in Scripture.
- A word is missing in the digital text (“that we are not [bound in it] again”); supplied by sense. Quotations: Matt 25:35; Acts 9:4.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR garble): SOJW1i → soluit.
Topics: Heresy
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 237.6 (CSEL 57:529–530; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/235-1/#p-237-6).
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237.7CSEL 57:530–531
Hoc et de superioribus eiusdem hymni uerbis dici potest. ubi ait: ‛Saluare uolo et saluari uolo. si enim, sicut ipsi exponunt, hoc ista uerba significant, quod saluamur a domino per baptismum et saluamus, id est custodimus in nobis spiritum datum nobis per baptismum, nonne istum sensum scriptura canonica clamat, ubi legimus: Saluos nos fecit per lauacrum regenerationis et ubi nobis dicitur: Spiritum nolite extinguere? quo modo ergo iste hymnus in canone ideo non est, ne carnalibus innotescat, cum id, quod in illo obscurum est, in canone luceat. nisi quia sub hac qualicumque expositione, quam quibuslibet aliis obtendunt, illud, quod hic ipsi sapiunt, occultare conantur? qui tamen usque adeo caeci sunt, ut etiam quaedam uerba de ipso canone adhibeant ad exponendum hymnum, quem propterea dicunt in canone non esse, ne sacramentum regis carnalibus proderetur. quid ergo faciunt in canone clarius posita, per quae in isto hymno aperiantur obscura?
The same can be said of the earlier words of the same hymn, where it says, “I wish to save and I wish to be saved.” For if, as they explain, these words mean that we are saved by the Lord through baptism and that we save, that is, keep in ourselves, the Spirit given us through baptism, does not canonical Scripture proclaim this sense, where we read, “He saved us by the washing of regeneration,” and where we are told, “Do not quench the Spirit”? How, then, is this hymn not in the canon so that it may not become known to the carnal, when what is obscure in it shines in the canon, unless it is that under this explanation, such as it is, which they hold out to any outsiders, they try to hide what they themselves understand here? Yet they are so blind that they even bring in certain words from the canon itself to explain the hymn, which they say is not in the canon lest the sacrament of the king be betrayed to the carnal. What, then, are they doing with things set more clearly in the canon, through which the obscure things in this hymn are opened?
Titus 3:5 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Thess 5:19 (quotation, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: Augustine shows that the hymn's “I wish to save and be saved,” as the Priscillianists explain it of baptism, is clearly taught in canonical Scripture.
- Quotations: Titus 3:5; 1 Thess 5:19.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR misread; split word): hvmni → hymni; ex ponunt → exponunt.
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 237.7 (CSEL 57:530–531; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/235-1/#p-237-7).
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237.8CSEL 57:531–532
Nam si hoc, ut dicunt, intellegendum est in isto hymno, ubi ait: ‛Generari uolo’, quod in canonica epistula Pauli apostoli scriptum est: Quos iterum parturio, donec Christus formetur in uobis; si hoc intellegendum est in isto hymno, ubi ait: Cantare uolo quod in psalmo canonico scriptum est: Cantate domino canticum nouum; si hoc intellegendum est in isto hymno, ubi ait: Saltate cuncti. quod scriptum est in cantico euangelico: Cantauimus uobis et non saltastis: si hoc intellegendum est in isto hymno: Plangere uolo, tundite uos omnes, quod scriptum in cantico euangelico: Planximus uobis et non luxistis; si ‛ornare uolo et ornari uolo hoc significat in isto hymno, quod scriptum est in canone: Habitare Christum per fidem in cordibus uestris et: Vos estis templum dei et spiritus dei habitat in uobis; si, quod ait in isto hymno: Lucerna sum tibi, ille qui me uides, hoc significat, quod scriptum est in psalmo canonico: In lumine tuo uidebimus lumen; si, quod ait in isto hymno: Ianua sum tibi, quicumque me pulsas, hoc significat, quod in psalmo canonico legitur: Aperite mihi portas iustitiae, ingressus in eis confitebor domino et in alio psalmo: Tollite portas principes uestri et eleuamini portae aeternales et introibit rex gloriae; si, quod ait in isto hymno: ‛Qui uides, quod ago, tace opera mea, hoc significat, quod scriptum est in libro Tobiae: Sacramentum regis bonum est abscondere. cur iste hymnus non esse in canone propterea dicitur, ut sacramentum regis abscondatur carnalibus, cum ea, quae in isto hymno exponuntur, etiam in canone legantur et sic ibi reperiantur manifesta, ut per haec illa exponantur obscura, nisi quia istas expositiones habent, in quibus lateant, in uerbis uero illius hymni. quem exponere se simulant, hoc sapiunt, quod alienis exponere timeant?
For if, as they say, where the hymn says, “I wish to be begotten,” we are to understand what is written in the canonical letter of the apostle Paul, “whom I am again in labor with until Christ is formed in you”; if, where the hymn says, “I wish to sing,” we are to understand what is written in a canonical psalm, “Sing to the Lord a new song”; if, where it says, “Dance, all of you,” we are to understand what is written in the Gospel canticle, “We sang to you and you did not dance”; if, by “I wish to lament; beat your breasts, all of you,” we are to understand what is written in the Gospel canticle, “We lamented to you and you did not mourn”; if “I wish to adorn and I wish to be adorned” means in this hymn what is written in the canon, “that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith,” and, “You are the temple of God and the Spirit of God dwells in you”; if what it says in this hymn, “I am a lamp to you who see me,” means what is written in a canonical psalm, “In your light we shall see light”; if what it says in this hymn, “I am a door to you, whoever knocks at me,” means what is read in a canonical psalm, “Open to me the gates of righteousness; I will go in through them and give thanks to the Lord,” and in another psalm, “Lift up your gates, you princes, and be lifted up, eternal gates, and the King of glory shall come in”; if what it says in this hymn, “You who see what I do, keep silent about my works,” means what is written in the book of Tobit, “It is good to hide the sacrament of a king”: why is this hymn said not to be in the canon so that the sacrament of the king may be hidden from the carnal, when the things explained in this hymn are also read in the canon, and are found so manifest there that by them those obscure things are explained, unless it is that they have these explanations to hide in, while in the words of that hymn, which they pretend to explain, they understand something they fear to explain to outsiders?
Gal 4:19 (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 96:1 (95:1 LXX) (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 11:17 (quotation, high confidence) · Eph 3:17 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Cor 3:16 (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 36:9 (35:10 LXX) (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 118:19 (117:19 LXX) (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 24:7 (23:7 LXX) (quotation, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: Augustine lists further lines of the hymn and the canonical texts the Priscillianists use to explain them, concluding that their explanations are a cover for hidden doctrines.
- Hymn lines from the Acts of John 95. Quotations: Gal 4:19; Ps 96:1 (LXX 95:1); Matt 11:17; Eph 3:17; 1 Cor 3:16; Ps 36:9 (LXX 35:10); Ps 118:19 (LXX 117:19); Ps 24:7 (LXX 23:7); Tob 12:7.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR dropped a letter; OCR misread; split word; words run together): e t non → et non; etin alio → et in alio; aeternales e introibit → aeternales et introibit; hymuus → hymnus.
Extrabiblical texts: Tob 12:7 (Tobit [in RC, EO, ETH canons]; quotation)
Topics: Heresy
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 237.8 (CSEL 57:531–532; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/235-1/#p-237-8).
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237.9CSEL 57:532–533
Longum est cuncta disputando monstrare. uerum ex his, quae diximus, cetera considerare facillimum est et uidere ea, quae in expositione huius hymni bona et honesta dicunt. etiam in canone reperiri. unde illa eorum non ratio sed tergiuersatio est, ideo illum esse a canone separatum, quia carnalibus hominibus abscondendum regis fuerat sacramentum. unde non inmerito creduntur istis expositionibus non aperire uelle, quod legunt, sed potius operire, quod sentiunt. nec mirum, quando quidem ipsum dominum Iesum loquentem non per ora prophetarum uel apostolorum uel angelorum sed per os proprium illusorem potius quam ueritatis doctorem fuisse crediderunt. huic utique hymno diuinam tribuentes auctoritatem, ubi eum dixisse nescio quis eiusdem hymni conditor finxit: Verbo inlusi cuncta et non sum lusus in totum, respondeant, si possunt, egregii spiritales, quo eamus, cui aures aperiamus, cui loquenti utcumque credamus, in cuius promissione spem ponamus, si uerbo cuncta Christus inlusit, si uerbo cuncta omnipotens magister inlusit, si uerbo cuncta ille, qui est unigenitus. uerbum dei patris inlusit. quid ulterius loquar de perditis. uaniloquis et mentis seductoribus primum suae deinde ceterorum, quos sibi ad interitum praedestinatos aeternum consociare potuerunt? rescripsi uenerationi tuae et multo serius, quam uolueram, et plura, quam disposueram. optime facitis uigilanter lupos cauere; sed etiam pro sanandis ouibus, si quas forte uiolauerint siue iam uulnerauerint, pastorali diligentia ipso adiuuante pastorum domino laborate.
It would take long to show everything by argument. But from what we have said it is very easy to consider the rest and to see that the good and honorable things they say in explaining this hymn are also found in the canon. So that claim of theirs is not a reason but an evasion: that the hymn was separated from the canon because the sacrament of the king had to be hidden from carnal men. Hence they are rightly believed not to wish by these explanations to open what they read, but rather to cover what they think. Nor is it surprising, since they have believed that the Lord Jesus himself, speaking not through the mouths of prophets or apostles or angels but through his own mouth, was a mocker rather than a teacher of truth, ascribing divine authority to this hymn, where some author of the hymn invented his saying, “By a word I mocked all things, and I was not mocked at all.” Let these distinguished spiritual men answer, if they can: where shall we go, to whom shall we open our ears, whom shall we believe when he speaks, in whose promise shall we place our hope, if Christ mocked all things by a word, if the almighty Teacher mocked all things by a word, if he who is the only-begotten Word of God the Father mocked all things by a word? What more shall I say of these lost men, these vain talkers and deceivers, first of their own minds and then of others whom they have been able to join to themselves, predestined to eternal destruction? I have written back to Your Reverence both much later than I wished and at greater length than I had planned. You do very well to guard vigilantly against wolves; but labor also with pastoral diligence, with the help of the Lord of shepherds himself, to heal the sheep, if they have perhaps violated or already wounded any.
John 6:68 (allusion, medium confidence) · Titus 1:10 (allusion, medium confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: Augustine concludes that the Priscillianist explanations are an evasion, condemns the hymn's line making Christ a mocker, and urges Ceretius to heal the sheep they have wounded.
- The hymn line is from the Acts of John 96. Allusions: John 6:68; Titus 1:10.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR misread): 81 uerbo → si uerbo; multo senas → multo serius; sine iam → siue iam.
Topics: Heresy, Church office
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 237.9 (CSEL 57:532–533; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/235-1/#p-237-9).
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Chapter 238
238.1CSEL 57:533
Volueram quidem petente te atque instante, ut meminisse dignaris, immo uero pro merito aetatis ac dignitatis tuae iubente te de fide Christiana etiam praesens cum praesente, in quantum mihi facultatem dominus largiretur, conferre sermonem; sed quia tibi post prandium displicuit, quod inter nos mane placuerat. ut a notariis uerba nostra exciperentur, ne ulterius dicas, quod te audio non tacere, non me fuisse ausum tibi dicere fidem meam, his litteris accipe, quod et tu legas et, cui uolueris, legendum tradas et, quod nolueris, uicissim scribendo ipse respondeas. iniquum est enim, ut quisque iudicare de alio uelit et iudicari de se nolit.
I had wished, at your request and insistence, as you will remember, or rather at your command, as befits your age and rank, to confer with you in person about the Christian faith, as far as the Lord gave me ability. But since after lunch you were displeased with what had pleased us both in the morning, namely that our words should be taken down by stenographers, so that you may no longer say, as I hear you do not stop saying, that I did not dare to tell you my faith, receive it in this letter, which you may read and give to whomever you wish to read, and to which, if you disagree, you may reply in writing in turn. For it is unjust for anyone to wish to judge another and not wish to be judged himself.
Notes and citation
Summary: Augustine writes to the Arian count Pascentius, setting out his faith in writing since Pascentius refused to have their debate recorded.
- To Pascentius, an Arian count and imperial official in Africa.
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 238.1 (CSEL 57:533; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/235-1/#p-238-1).
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238.2CSEL 57:533–534
Et de praeterito quidem placito nostro, quod condicto meridiano implere noluisti, facile existimari potest, quis nostrum fidei suae fiduciam non habuerit, utrum qui uolebat, ut diceretur, et timebat, ne teneretur, an qui usque adeo nolebat eam disceptantium iudicio subtrahi, ut mandata litteris uellet etiam legentium memoriae commendari, ne quisquam uel obliuione opinatus uel dissensione inritatus diceret ab aliquo nostrum aut non esse dictum, quod dictum erat, aut dictum esse, quod dictum non erat. in his enim solent latebras suae malae defensionis inquirere, qui contentionis sunt cupidiores quam ueritatis. hoc autem nec a te nec a me nec de te nec de me dici posset, si in fide condicti permaneres, ut uerba nostra exciperentur et scriberentur, praesertim quia tu ipse in his uerbis, quibus fidem tuam pronuntiasti, quotiens ea repetisti, totiens uariasti, quod nulla credo fraude sed obliuione factum esse.
As for our earlier agreement, which you refused to keep at the arranged noon meeting, it can easily be judged which of us lacked confidence in his faith: the one who wished it to be spoken and feared that it would be held to, or the one who was so unwilling to withdraw it from the judgment of those in debate that he wished it committed to writing and so entrusted to the memory of readers too, so that no one, either imagining through forgetfulness or provoked by disagreement, might say that one of us had not said what had been said, or had said what had not. For in such things those who are more eager for contention than for truth usually look for hiding places for their bad defense. But this could not have been said by you or by me, of you or of me, if you had kept faith with the agreement that our words should be taken down and written. Especially since you yourself, in the words in which you pronounced your faith, varied them as often as you repeated them; which I believe was done not by any fraud but through forgetfulness.
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Summary: Augustine reproaches Pascentius for breaking their agreement to have the debate recorded and notes that Pascentius varied his creed each time he repeated it.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR misread): mendiano → meridiano.
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 238.2 (CSEL 57:533–534; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/235-1/#p-238-2).
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238.3CSEL 57:534–535
Nam primo dixisti credere te in deum patrem omnipotentem, inuisibilem, ingenitum, incapabilem et in Iesum Christum filium eius deum natum ante saecula, per quem facta sunt omnia. et in spiritum sanctum. quibus ego auditis cum respondissem nondum a te quicquam dictum, quod meae fidei repugnaret, et ideo, si ea scripsisses, me his etiam posse subscribere, ad hoc nescio quo modo res perducta est, ut accepta charta ea ipsa, quae dixeras, uelles etiam litteris tua manu exprimere. quod cum mihi ad legendum dedisses, animaduerti minus te scripsisse patrem, cum scripsisses deum omnipotentem, inuisibilem, ingenitum, innatum). quod ubi commemoraui, non post multam altercationem addidisti patrem; et incapabilem quidem, quod uerbis dixeras, scripto praetermiseras, sed nulla hinc a me facta commemoratio est.
For first you said that you believed “in God the Father almighty, invisible, unbegotten, incomprehensible, and in Jesus Christ his Son, God born before the ages, through whom all things were made, and in the Holy Spirit.” When I heard this and answered that nothing had yet been said by you that contradicted my faith, and that therefore, if you wrote it down, I could also subscribe to it, the matter somehow came to this, that you took a sheet and wished to set down in writing with your own hand the very words you had spoken. When you had given it to me to read, I noticed that you had not written “Father,” since you had written “God almighty, invisible, unbegotten, unborn.” When I pointed this out, you added “Father” after not much argument; and “incomprehensible,” which you had said in speech, you had left out in writing, but I made no mention of that.
John 1:3 (allusion, medium confidence)
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Summary: Augustine recounts that Pascentius's creed, when written, omitted “Father” and “incomprehensible.”
Topics: Trinity
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 238.3 (CSEL 57:534–535; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/235-1/#p-238-3).
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238.4CSEL 57:535–536
Deinde cum dixissem me paratum esse subscribere, adhuc illa uerba etiam mea esse posse, prius quaesiui, ne, quod in mentem uenerat. laberetur, utrum alicubi scripturarum diuinarum legeretur pater ingenitus; hoc autem feci, quia in exordio sermonis nostri, cum Arrius et Eunomius commemorati essent non a me sed a fratre meo Alypio requirente, quemnam eorum secutus esset Auxentius, qui abs te paulo ante fuerat non parua praedicatione laudatus, exclamando anathemasti et Arrium et Eunomium. tum continuo flagitasti, ut et nos anathemaremus όμοούσιον. quasi quisquam homo esset, qui hoc uocaretur. sicut Arrius et Eunomius. deinde uehementer exigebas, ut hoc uerbum tibi in scripturis ostenderemus, et statim nobis communicares. respondebatur a nobis, quia nos Latine loqueremur et illud Graecum esset, prius quaerendum esse, quid sit όμοούσιον, et tunc exigendum, ut in libris sanctis ostenderetur. tu contra uerbum ipsum crebro repetens et inuidiose uentilans atque in conciliis maiorum nostrorum conscriptum commemorans uehementer urguebas, ut ipsum omnino uerbum, quod est όμοούσιον, in sanctis libris ostenderemus, nobis etiam atque etiam reuocantibus. quia lingua nostra Graeca non esset, prius interpretandum et exponendum esse. quid sit όμοούσιον, tum demum in diuinis litteris requirendum, quia, etsi fortasse nomen ipsum non inueniretur, res ipsa tamen inueniretur; quid est enim contentiosius quam, ubi de re constat, certare de nomine?
Then, when I had said I was ready to subscribe, since those words could also be mine, I first asked, so that what had come to mind would not slip away, whether “the Father unbegotten” was read anywhere in the divine Scriptures. I did this because at the beginning of our conversation, when Arius and Eunomius had been mentioned, not by me but by my brother Alypius, who asked which of them Auxentius had followed (Auxentius having shortly before been praised by you with no small commendation), you cried out and anathematized both Arius and Eunomius. Then you at once demanded that we too anathematize homoousios, as though there were some man called that, like Arius and Eunomius. Then you insisted vehemently that we show you this word in the Scriptures, and you would immediately enter into communion with us. We answered that, since we spoke Latin and that was Greek, we must first ask what homoousios is, and then demand that it be shown in the holy books. You, on the contrary, repeating the word itself often and tossing it about invidiously, and recalling that it was written in the councils of our forebears, pressed vehemently that we show that very word, homoousios, in the holy books, while we again and again recalled that, since our language was not Greek, we must first translate and explain what homoousios is, and only then look for it in the divine writings; because, even if the name itself was perhaps not found, the thing itself would be found. For what is more contentious than to fight about a name when the thing is agreed?
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Summary: Augustine recounts that Pascentius anathematized Arius and Eunomius but demanded that the word homoousios be shown in Scripture, while Augustine insisted the thing matters more than the word.
- Homoousios (“of the same substance”), the term of the Creed of Nicaea. Auxentius: the Arian bishop of Milan before Ambrose (or Auxentius of Durostorum); uncertain.
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 238.4 (CSEL 57:535–536; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/235-1/#p-238-4).
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238.5CSEL 57:536
Haec ergo quia inter nos iam conlocuti fueramus, posteaquam ad id uentum est, ut fidem tuam, sicut commemoraui, scriberes, quamquam nihil in eis uerbis uiderem nostrae fidei esse contrarium et propterea me dicerem paratum esse subscribere, quaesiui, ut dixi, utrum scriptura dei contineret hoc uerbum, quod pater esset ingenitus, et, cum scriptum esse respondisses, instantius quaerebam, ut ostenderes. tunc unus ex eis, qui aderant, quantum intellegi datur, fidei tuae socius ait mihi: Quid ergo? tu patrem genitum dicis? respondi: Non dico. et ille: Si ergo genitus non est, inquit, utique ingenitus est. cui ego: Vides. inquam, posse fieri, ut etiam de uerbo, quod in scriptura dei non est, reddatur tamen ratio, unde recte dici ostendatur. sic ergo et όμοούσιον, quod in auctoritate diuinorum librorum cogebamur ostendere, etiamsi uocabulum ipsum non ibi inueniamus, fieri posse, ut illud inueniamus, cui hoc uocabulum recte adhibitum iudicetur.
Since, then, we had already discussed these things, when it came to your writing down your faith, as I have related, although I saw nothing in those words contrary to our faith and therefore said I was ready to subscribe, I asked, as I said, whether the Scripture of God contained this word, that the Father is unbegotten; and when you answered that it was written, I pressed you more urgently to show it. Then one of those present, a partner in your faith as far as one can tell, said to me: “What then? Do you call the Father begotten?” I answered: “I do not.” And he said: “If, then, he is not begotten, he is certainly unbegotten.” I said to him: “You see that it can happen that even for a word that is not in the Scripture of God a reason can be given showing that it is rightly said. So also with homoousios, which we were being forced to show on the authority of the divine books: even if we do not find the term itself there, it can happen that we find that to which this term is judged rightly applied.”
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Summary: Augustine recounts how an Arian admitted “unbegotten” is not in Scripture yet rightly said, which Augustine applied to homoousios.
Topics: Trinity
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 238.5 (CSEL 57:536; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/235-1/#p-238-5).
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238.6CSEL 57:536–537
Quibus dictis, quid hinc tibi uideretur, adtendi, ut audirem, et aisti recte factum esse, ut ingenitus pater in scripturis sanctis non diceretur, ne illi uel tali uerbo fieret iniuria. ergo inquam, modo facta est iniuria deo et hoc manu tua. quo audito fateri iam coeperas nec te hoc dicere debuisse. sed cum admonerem. ut, si tibi tale uideretur hoc uerbum, ut ad dei pertineret iniuriam, deleres illud inde, ubi scripseras, considerasti, credo. posse id recte dici et posse defendi et rursus aisti: Prorsus ego hoc dico. tum ego illud, quod iam dixeram. repetiui ita fieri posse, ut etiam όμοούσιον neque scriptum in sanctis paginis inueniatur et tamen dictum in assertione fidei defendatur. sicut patrem in illis libris nusquam ingenitum legimus et tamen dicendum esse defenditur. tunc a me chartam, quam dederas. abstulisti et conscidisti. et constituimus, post meridianum tempus ut adessent notarii ad excipienda uerba nostra atque inter nos ista, quantum possemus, diligentius tractaremus.
When this had been said, I waited to hear what you thought of it, and you said it was rightly done that the Father was not called unbegotten in the holy Scriptures, so that no injury might be done to him by such a word. “Then,” I said, “injury has just been done to God, and by your hand.” On hearing this you had begun to admit that you ought not to have said it either. But when I advised you that, if this word seemed to you such as to injure God, you should delete it from where you had written it, you considered, I believe, that it could rightly be said and defended, and said again: “I certainly say it.” Then I repeated what I had already said, that it could happen that homoousios too is not found written in the holy pages and yet is defended as said in the assertion of the faith, just as we nowhere read in those books that the Father is unbegotten, and yet it is defended as something that must be said. Then you took from me the sheet you had given me and tore it up. And we agreed that in the afternoon stenographers should be present to take down our words, and that we should treat these matters between us more carefully, as far as we could.
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Summary: Augustine recounts that Pascentius first said “unbegotten” would injure God, then defended it, tore up his written creed, and agreed to a recorded afternoon debate.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR misread; stray mark): <ergo → ergo; iuiuria → iniuria.
Topics: Trinity
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 238.6 (CSEL 57:536–537; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/235-1/#p-238-6).
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238.7CSEL 57:537–538
Venimus, ut nosti, ad horam condictam; notarios adduximus, ut et tui adessent: consedimus. dixisti rursus fidem tuam atque in uerbis tuis non audiui ingenitum patrem, credo, quod cogitaueris, quid inde mane dictum fuerit, et praecauere uolueris. deinde poposcisti. ut etiam ego dicerem fidem meam. ubi cum postulassem commemorans antemeridianum placitum nostrum, ut ea. quae dixeras, dictare potius dignareris, tunc exclamasti calumniam parare nos tibi et ideo uerba tua conscripta uelle retinere. ibi quid responderim, recordari non libet atque utinam nec tu memineris. seruaui tamen debitam honorificentiam honori tuo nec maledictum deputaui, quod non a ueritate sed a potestate audire meruissem. tamen. quia uel ipsa uerba repetiui, ut pressa uoce dicerem: Itane calumniam paramus nos tibi? ut ignoscas, peto.
We came, as you know, at the agreed hour; we brought stenographers, and yours too were to be present; we sat down. You stated your faith again, and in your words I did not hear “the Father unbegotten,” I suppose because you had thought about what had been said about it in the morning and wished to be on guard. Then you asked me to state my faith too. When I asked, recalling our morning agreement, that you rather deign to dictate what you had said, you cried out that we were preparing a false charge against you and therefore wanted to keep your words in writing. What I answered then I do not like to recall, and I wish you did not remember it either. Yet I kept the respect due to your rank, and did not count as an insult what I had deserved to hear not from truth but from power. Still, because I did repeat those very words, saying in a low voice, “Are we really preparing a false charge against you?”, I ask your pardon.
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Summary: Augustine recounts that at the afternoon meeting Pascentius refused to dictate his words, accusing the bishops of preparing a false charge.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR misread; stray mark): Fursus → rursus; etiam.ego → etiam ego.
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 238.7 (CSEL 57:537–538; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/235-1/#p-238-7).
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238.8CSEL 57:538–539
Sed tu his auditis rursus fidem tuam sono clariore repetisti atque in uerbis tuis non audiui deum filium quod numquam, quotiens eam dixisti, tacueras. hic ego cum modeste, ut poteram, postularem, ut de excipiendis uerbis nostris. quod inter nos placuerat, impleretur, etiam ipsam utilitatem de praesenti experimento suggessi dicens te ipsum non potuisse in memoria uerba tua tibi usitatissima retinere, quando numquam ea repetere ualuisti, ubi non aliquid et maxime necessarium praeterires; quanto minus posse illos, qui nos audirent, ita nostrorum meminisse uerborum, ut, si quid forte uel tu de meis uel ego de tuis uerbis uellem retractare atque discutere, ualerent seu dictum seu non dictum liquido recordari, in qua nobis difficultate facillime notariorum recitatio subueniret! tunc indignanter dixisti melius fuisse, ut famam meam semper audires, eo quod longe inferiorem me expertus esses, quam tibi illa iactasset. tunc ego commemoraui, cum te ante prandium salutaremus et eam nobis famam praedicasses. hoc me dixisse, quod de me illa mentita sit. hic sane aisti uerum me dixisse. proinde cum duo tibi de me diuersa locuti sint. aliud fama mea et aliud ego, magis utique gaudere debeo me potius quam illam repertum esse ueracem. sed quia scriptum est: Solus deus uerax, omnis autem homo mendax, uereor, ne hoc quoque de me temere dixerim; neque enim in nobis ipsis uel per nos ipsos ueraces sumus, cum sumus, sed cum ille in seruis suis loquitur, qui solus est uerax.
But when you heard this, you repeated your faith again in a louder voice, and in your words I did not hear “God the Son,” which you had never left out whenever you stated it. Here, when I asked as modestly as I could that our agreement about taking down our words be kept, I also pointed out its usefulness from the present experience, saying that you yourself had not been able to keep in memory your own most familiar words, since you could never repeat them without leaving out something, and something most necessary; how much less could those listening to us remember our words so well that, if either you wished to reconsider and discuss something of mine or I of yours, they could clearly recall whether it was said or not; in which difficulty the stenographers' reading back would most easily help us! Then you said indignantly that it would have been better for you always to hear my reputation, because you had found me far inferior to what it had boasted to you. Then I recalled that when we greeted you before lunch and you had spoken of that reputation to us, I had said that it had lied about me. Here indeed you said I had spoken the truth. So since two things have told you different things about me, my reputation one thing and I another, I ought surely to rejoice that I rather than it was found truthful. But since it is written, “God alone is true, but every man is a liar,” I fear I may have said this too rashly of myself; for we are not truthful in ourselves or by ourselves, when we are, but when he speaks in his servants who alone is true.
Rom 3:4 (quotation, high confidence)
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Summary: Augustine recounts that Pascentius omitted “God the Son,” refused to have the words recorded, and mocked Augustine's reputation.
- Quotation: Rom 3:4 (Ps 116:11).
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR misread): ue hoc quoque → ne hoc quoque.
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 238.8 (CSEL 57:538–539; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/235-1/#p-238-8).
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