Letters 238.9–238.29
Latin text: Goldbacher, CSEL 34, 44, 57 (Latin text: Alois Goldbacher (CSEL 34, 44, 57, 1895–1911), digitized by Open Greek and Latin (csel-dev, University of Leipzig), CC BY-SA 4.0).English: Claude (claude-opus-5-5), public domain (CC0). Compare: Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers, series 1, vol. 1 (1886).
Chapter 238
238.9CSEL 57:539–540
Haec si, ut narraui, gesta esse recolis, uides, quam non debeas iactare apud homines, quod non ausus sim tibi adserere fidem meam. quando quidem in fide nostri placiti stare noluisti et uir tantus, qui pro fide. quam rei publicae debes. non times maledicta prouincialium, pro fide, quam Christo debes, times calumnias episcoporum. deinde, cum disputationi nostrae etiam honoratos uiros interesse cupiueris, miror, quo modo in ipsa deuitatione calumniae uerba tua times a notariis conscribi et ex ore tuo a clarissimis testibus non times audiri. nonne consideras difficile esse, ut homines suspicentur te a nobis ullam formidasse calumniam, ut uerba tua excipi nolles, sed, cum cogitasses retentum te fuisse in uerbo ante prandium manu tua conscripto, simul etiam cogitasse non tam facile te notariorum tabulas delere potuisse, quam facile illam chartulam conscidisti? si autem dicis non illa ita gesta esse, ut a me narrata sunt, aut tu obliuione falleris - non enim audeo dicere mentiris - aut ego uel similiter fallor uel mentior. uides ergo. quam recte dicam ea, quae de his maxime rebus geruntur, excipi atque conscribi oportere et quam tibi quoque hoc ipsum recte placuerat, nisi postmeridianus timor antemeridianum placitum frangeret.
If you remember that these things happened as I have told them, you see how wrong it is for you to boast among men that I did not dare to state my faith to you, since you would not keep faith with our agreement; and that so great a man, who for the loyalty you owe the state do not fear the curses of provincials, for the faith you owe Christ fear false charges from bishops. Then, since you wanted men of rank to be present at our debate, I wonder how, in the very avoidance of false charges, you fear having your words written down by stenographers and do not fear their being heard from your mouth by most distinguished witnesses. Do you not see that people will hardly suspect that you feared any false charge from us, so that you would not let your words be taken down, but rather that, when you thought you had been held to a word written by your own hand before lunch, you also thought that you could not delete the stenographers' tablets as easily as you tore up that sheet? But if you say these things did not happen as I have told them, either you are deceived by forgetfulness (for I do not dare to say you are lying), or I am likewise deceived or lying. You see, then, how rightly I say that what is done above all in these matters ought to be taken down and written, and how rightly this had pleased you too, had not your afternoon fear broken your morning agreement.
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Summary: Augustine argues that Pascentius's refusal of stenographers shows his own fear, not Augustine's, and that such debates should be recorded.
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 238.9 (CSEL 57:539–540; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/238-9/#p-238-9).
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238.10CSEL 57:540
Audi ergo iam fidem meam. potens est misericordia domini dei nostri, quae praestet me, quod credidi. sic loqui, ut nec eius offendam ueritatem nec humanitatem tuam. in omnipotentem deum patrem me credere profiteor eumque aeternum ea aeternitate, hoc est inmortalitate dico, quam solus deus habet; hoc et de filio eius unigenito credo in forma dei, hoc et de spiritu dei sancto, qui spiritus est dei patris et filii eius unigeniti. sed quia ipse dei patris unigenitus filius, dominus et deus noster Iesus Christus, postquam uenit plenitudo temporis, opportune ad diem salutis nostrae formam serui accepit, multa de illo in scripturis secundum formam dei dicuntur, multa secundum formam serui. quorum exempli gratia duo quaedam commemoro, ut singula ad singula referantur. secundum formam dei de se ipse dixit: Ego et pater unum sumus, secundum formam serui: Quoniam pater maior me est.
Hear now, then, my faith. The mercy of the Lord our God is able to grant me to speak what I have believed in such a way as to offend neither his truth nor your courtesy. I profess that I believe in God the Father almighty, and that he is eternal with that eternity, that is, I mean immortality, which God alone has. This I believe also of his only-begotten Son in the form of God; this also of the Holy Spirit of God, who is the Spirit of God the Father and of his only-begotten Son. But since the only-begotten Son of God the Father himself, our Lord and God Jesus Christ, after the fullness of time came, fittingly for the day of our salvation took the form of a servant, many things are said of him in the Scriptures according to the form of God and many according to the form of a servant. Of these I mention two for example, so that each may be referred to its own. According to the form of God he said of himself, “I and the Father are one”; according to the form of a servant, “For the Father is greater than I.”
Gal 4:4 (allusion, medium confidence) · Phil 2:6–7 (allusion, high confidence) · John 10:30 (quotation, high confidence) · John 14:28 (quotation, high confidence)
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Summary: Augustine states his faith in the eternal Father, Son and Holy Spirit, and the rule of reading texts about Christ according to the form of God or the form of a servant.
- Allusions: Gal 4:4; 2 Cor 6:2; Phil 2:6–7. Quotations: John 10:30; John 14:28.
Topics: Trinity, Christology
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 238.10 (CSEL 57:540; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/238-9/#p-238-10).
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238.11CSEL 57:540–541
Quod autem de deo scriptum est: Qui solus habet inmortalitatem et: Inuisibili soli deo honor et gloria et cetera huius modi, non de patre tantum accipimus sed etiam de filio, quod ad formam dei adtinet, et de spiritu sancto. pater enim. et filius et spiritus sanctus unus deus est et solus uerus deus et solus inmortalis secundum incommutabilem omnino substantiam. si enim de carne diuersi sexus dictum est: Qui adhaeret meretrici, unum corpus est et de spiritu hominis. qui non est, quod dominus, consequenter scriptum est: Qui autem adhaeret domino, unus spiritus est. quanto magis deus pater in filio et deus filius in patre et spiritus patris et filii unus deus est, ubi nulla est diuersa natura. cum ex diuersis modo quodam sibi cohaerentibus dicatur uel spiritus unus uel corpus unum!
What is written of God, “who alone has immortality,” and, “To the invisible, only God be honor and glory,” and other things of this kind, we take not of the Father only but also of the Son, as regards the form of God, and of the Holy Spirit. For the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit are one God, and the only true God, and the only immortal one, according to their altogether unchangeable substance. For if it is said of flesh of different sexes, “He who joins himself to a harlot is one body,” and of the spirit of man, which is not what the Lord is, it is consequently written, “But he who joins himself to the Lord is one spirit,” how much more are God the Father in the Son and God the Son in the Father and the Spirit of the Father and the Son one God, where there is no different nature, since even of different things joined in some way to each other it is said “one spirit” or “one body”!
1 Tim 6:16 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Tim 1:17 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Cor 6:16–17 (quotation, high confidence)
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Summary: Augustine argues that texts on God's sole immortality apply to the whole Trinity, and that if those joined are called one body or one spirit, Father, Son and Spirit are much more one God.
- Quotations: 1 Tim 6:16; 1 Tim 1:17; 1 Cor 6:16–17.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR dropped a letter): mmortalitatem → inmortalitatem.
Topics: Trinity
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 238.11 (CSEL 57:540–541; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/238-9/#p-238-11).
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238.12CSEL 57:541–542
Et cum ex anima et corpore sibi cohaerentibus dicatur unus homo, cur non multo maxime patre et filio sibi cohaerentibus dicatur unus deus, cum sibimet inseparabiliter cohaereant, quo modo non corpus et anima? et cum corpus et anima sit unus homo, quamuis corpus et anima non sint unum cur non multo magis sit pater et filius unus deus, cum pater et filius unum sint secundum illam ueritatis uocem: Ego et Pater unum sumus? item cum homo interior et homo exterior non sint unum — neque enim eiusdem naturae est exterior cuius interior. quia exterior cum nuncupato corpore dicitur homo. interior autem in sola rationali anima intellegitur — utrumque tamen simul non homines duo sed unus dicitur, quanto magis pater et filius unus deus est, cum pater et filius unum sint, quia eiusdem naturae uel substantiae sunt uel si quo alio uocabulo congruentius dicitur id, quod deus est, unde dictum est: Ego et pater unum sumus! itaque unus spiritus domini et unus spiritus hominis et non sunt unum et tamen, ille cum cohaeret domino. non sunt duo sed unus spiritus; et unus homo interior et unus homo exterior et non sunt unum et tamen propter conexionem uinculi naturalis simul utrumque non duo sed unus homo; multo magis, cum filius dei dicat: Ego et pater unum sumus, unus est deus pater et unus deus filius et tamen simul utrumque non duo dii sed unus deus.
And if from soul and body joined to each other one man is spoken of, why should not one God be spoken of all the more from Father and Son joined to each other, since they are joined inseparably, as body and soul are not? And if body and soul are one man, though body and soul are not one, why are not the Father and Son much more one God, since the Father and the Son are one, according to that voice of truth, “I and the Father are one”? Again, although the inner man and the outer man are not one (for the outer is not of the same nature as the inner, since the outer is called man together with the body, while the inner is understood in the rational soul alone), yet the two together are called not two men but one; how much more are the Father and Son one God, since the Father and the Son are one, because they are of the same nature or substance, or whatever other word more fittingly expresses what God is, whence it was said, “I and the Father are one”! So the one spirit of the Lord and the one spirit of a man are not one, and yet, when the latter is joined to the Lord, they are not two but one spirit; and the one inner man and the one outer man are not one, and yet, because of the connection of the natural bond, both together are not two but one man; much more, since the Son of God says, “I and the Father are one,” is the Father one God and the Son one God, and yet both together not two gods but one God.
John 10:30 (quotation, high confidence) · 2 Cor 4:16 (allusion, medium confidence)
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Summary: Augustine argues by analogy with soul and body and the inner and outer man that Father and Son, being one in nature, are not two gods but one God.
- Quotation: John 10:30 (three times). Allusion: 2 Cor 4:16.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (stray letter; words run together): pateret filius → pater et filius; —f utrumque → — utrumque.
Topics: Trinity
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 238.12 (CSEL 57:541–542; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/238-9/#p-238-12).
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238.13CSEL 57:542–543
Quod enim fecit in multis sanctis in adoptionem filiorum uocatis coheredibus Christi una fides et una spes et una caritas, ut esset eis anima una et cor unum in deum, hoc praecipue cogit intellegi una eademque patris et filii natura. si ita dicendum est, deitatis, ut pater et filius, qui unum sunt et inseparabiliter unum sunt et sempiterne unum sunt, non sint duo dii sed unus deus. illi enim homines per consortium et communionem unius eiusdemque naturae, qua omnes homines erant, unum erant, etsi aliquando secundum diuersitates uoluntatum et sententiarum et opinionum morumque dissimilitudines non erant unum; erunt autem plene perfecteque unum. cum peruentum fuerit ad eum finem, ut sit deus omnia. in omnibus. deus autem pater et filius eius, uerbum eius, deus apud deum, semper atque ineffabiliter unum sunt, unde magis non duo dii sed unus deus.
For what one faith, one hope and one love did in many saints called to the adoption of sons and fellow heirs with Christ, so that they had one soul and one heart toward God, compels us above all to understand the one and the same nature, or, if it should be so said, deity, of the Father and the Son, so that the Father and the Son, who are one, and inseparably one, and eternally one, are not two gods but one God. For those men were one through sharing and communion in the one and the same nature by which they were all men, though at times, because of differences of will and opinion and dissimilarity of character, they were not one; but they will be fully and perfectly one when that end is reached in which God will be all in all. But God the Father and his Son, his Word, God with God, are always and ineffably one; hence all the more not two gods but one God.
Rom 8:17 (allusion, medium confidence) · Acts 4:32 (allusion, high confidence) · 1 Cor 15:28 (allusion, high confidence) · John 1:1 (allusion, high confidence)
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Summary: Augustine argues that if the unity of the first believers made them one soul and heart, the Father and Son, eternally one in nature, are all the more one God.
- Allusions: Rom 8:15–17; Acts 4:32; 1 Cor 15:28; John 1:1.
Topics: Trinity
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 238.13 (CSEL 57:542–543; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/238-9/#p-238-13).
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238.14CSEL 57:543
Homines autem minus intellegentes, quid propter quid dicatur, praecipites uolunt habere sententias et scripturis non diligenter scrutatis arripiunt defensionem cuiusque opinionis et ab ea uel numquam uel difficile deflectuntur, dum docti atque sapientes magis putari quam esse concupiscunt; ea quippe, quae propter formam serui dicta sunt. uolunt transferre ad formam dei et rursus. quae dicta sunt, ut ad se inuicem personae referantur, uolunt nomina esse naturae atque substantiae. fides autem nostra est patrem et filium et spiritum sanctum unum deum credere et confiteri nec tamen eum, qui filius est, patrem dicere nec eum, qui pater est, filium nec eum, qui spiritus patris et filii est, aut patrem aut filium nuncupare. his enim appellationibus hoc significatur, quod ad se inuicem referuntur, non ipsa substantia, qua unum sunt. nam et pater cum dicitur, nonnisi alicuius filii dicitur et filius nonnisi alicuius patris intellegitur et spiritus secundum id, quod ad aliquid refertur, spirantis alicuius est et spirans utique spiritum spirans est.
But men who do not understand well what is said on account of what, want to have hasty opinions, and, without searching the Scriptures diligently, seize on a defense of whatever opinion they hold, and from it are turned either never or with difficulty, as long as they desire to be thought learned and wise rather than to be so. For they want to transfer to the form of God what was said on account of the form of a servant; and again, what was said so that the persons are related to one another, they want to be names of nature and substance. But our faith is to believe and confess that the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit are one God, and yet not to call him who is the Son the Father, nor him who is the Father the Son, nor to name him who is the Spirit of the Father and the Son either Father or Son. For these names signify that they are related to one another, not the substance itself by which they are one. For when “Father” is said, it is said only of some son, and “Son” is understood only of some father, and “Spirit,” insofar as it is related to something, is of someone who breathes, and the one who breathes certainly breathes a spirit.
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Summary: Augustine explains that the names Father, Son and Spirit signify relations, not different substances, and that confusing the form of a servant with the form of God leads to error.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR misread): uoluut → uolunt.
Topics: Trinity, Christology
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 238.14 (CSEL 57:543; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/238-9/#p-238-14).
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238.15CSEL 57:543–545
Non autem ista corporaliter sentiuntur nec usitato modo intelleguntur in deo, qui potens est facere, sicut apostolus dicit, supra, quam petimus et intellegimus; si autem facere. quanto magis esse! nam hoc nomen, quod spiritus dicitur, non secundum id, quod refertur ad aliquid. sed secundum id, quod aliquam naturam significat. omnis incorporea natura spiritus in scripturis appellatur: unde non tantum patri et filio et spiritui sancto sed omni rationali creaturae et animae hoc uocabulum congruit. unde dominus dicit: Spiritus est deus et ideo, qui adorant deum, in spiritu et ueritate oportet adorare; scriptum est etiam: Qui facit angelos suos spiritus; dictum est et de hominibus quibusdam: Quoniam caro sunt et spiritus ambulans et non reuertens; et apostolus ait: Nemo scit. quid agatur in homine, nisi spiritus hominis, qui in ipso est: item scriptum est: Quis scit. spiritus filiorum hominis si ascendat ipse sursum et spiritus pecoris si descendat ipse deorsum in terram? dicitur etiam spiritus in scripturis secundum quandam distinctionem in ipsa una unius hominis anima, unde apostolus dicit: Et integer spiritus uester et anima et corpus in die domini nostri Iesu Christi seruetur; item alio loco: Si orauero lingua. spiritus meus orat; mens autem mea infructuosa est. quid ergo est? orabo spiritu, orabo et mente. proprio autem modo quodam dicitur spiritus sanctus, secundum quod refertur ad patrem et filium, quod eorum spiritus sit nam secundum substantiam, quoniam semel dictum est: Spiritus est deus, et pater spiritus est et filius et ipse spiritus sanctus nec tamen tres sed unus spiritus sicut non tres dii sed unus. deus.
But these things are not perceived bodily nor understood in the usual way in God, who is able to do, as the apostle says, beyond what we ask and understand; and if to do, how much more to be! For the name “spirit” is used not according to relation to something but as signifying a certain nature. Every incorporeal nature is called spirit in the Scriptures; hence this word fits not only the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit but every rational creature and soul. So the Lord says, “God is spirit, and therefore those who worship God must worship in spirit and truth”; it is also written, “who makes his angels spirits”; and it is said of certain men, “for they are flesh and a spirit that goes and does not return”; and the apostle says, “No one knows what goes on in a man except the spirit of the man that is in him”; again it is written, “Who knows whether the spirit of the sons of men goes upward, and the spirit of the beast goes down to the earth?” In the Scriptures “spirit” is also used by a certain distinction within the one soul of one man, so that the apostle says, “and may your spirit and soul and body be kept whole in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ”; and again elsewhere, “If I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful. What then? I will pray with the spirit, I will pray with the mind also.” But the Holy Spirit is so called in a particular way insofar as he is related to the Father and the Son, being their Spirit. For as to substance, since it has once been said, “God is spirit,” the Father is spirit and the Son and the Holy Spirit himself, and yet not three spirits but one spirit, just as not three gods but one God.
Eph 3:20 (allusion, high confidence) · John 4:24 (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 104:4 (103:4 LXX) (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 78:39 (77:39 LXX) (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Cor 2:11 (quotation, high confidence) · Eccl 3:21 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Thess 5:23 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Cor 14:14–15 (quotation, high confidence)
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Summary: Augustine explains that “spirit” as a name of nature applies to Father, Son and Spirit alike, and to all incorporeal natures, while “Holy Spirit” names the relation to Father and Son.
- Quotations: Eph 3:20 (adapted); John 4:24; Ps 104:4 (LXX 103:4); Ps 78:39 (LXX 77:39); 1 Cor 2:11; Eccl 3:21; 1 Thess 5:23; 1 Cor 14:14–15.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR misread; split word; words run together): q uid agatur → quid agatur; apostolusdicit:Et → apostolus dicit: Et; indie domini → in die domini; oranero → orauero.
Topics: Trinity
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 238.15 (CSEL 57:543–545; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/238-9/#p-238-15).
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238.16CSEL 57:545–546
Quid miraris? tantum ualet pax non qualiscumque, ut solet intellegi, nec talis. qualis laudatur in hac uita per concordiam caritatemque fidelium, sed illa pax dei, quae, sicut dicit apostolus, supergreditur omnem intellectum; quem, nisi nostrum, id est omnis rationalis creaturae? quapropter considerantes, infirmitatem nostram et audientes apostolum confitentem et dicentem: Fratres, ego me non arbitror adprehendisse et: Qui se putat aliquid scire, nondum scit, quem ad modum oportet scire, cum diuinis scripturis, quantum possumus, conloquamur sine contentione pacati. non inani ac puerili animositate studentes alterutrum uincere, ut pax Christi potius uincat in cordibus nostris, quantum eam nobis et in hac uita percipere posse donauit, ut cogitantes, quid eadem pax inter fratres egerit, quorum ex tam multis animabus et multis cordibus fecit animam unam et cor unum in deum, debita pietate credamus multo maxime in illa pace dei. quae superat omnem intellectum, et patrem et filium et spiritum sanctum non esse tres deos sed unum deum tanto excellentius. quam istorum erat anima et cor unum. quanto illa pax. quae superat omnem intellectum, excellentior est ista pace, quam tenebat omnium illorum cor unum et una anima in deum.
Why are you surprised? Such is the power of peace, not of any kind, as it is usually understood, nor such as is praised in this life through the harmony and love of believers, but that peace of God which, as the apostle says, surpasses all understanding: whose understanding, if not ours, that is, of every rational creature? Therefore, considering our weakness and hearing the apostle confess and say, “Brothers, I do not consider that I have laid hold of it,” and, “Whoever thinks he knows something does not yet know as he ought to know,” let us converse with the divine Scriptures as far as we can, peacefully, without contention, not striving with empty and childish animosity to defeat each other, so that rather the peace of Christ may conquer in our hearts, as far as he has granted us to receive it even in this life. And considering what that same peace did among the brothers, making of so many souls and many hearts one soul and one heart toward God, let us believe with due piety that much more in that peace of God which surpasses all understanding the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit are not three gods but one God, as much more excellently than those men's soul and heart were one, as that peace which surpasses all understanding is more excellent than this peace which held the one heart and one soul of all of them toward God.
Phil 4:7 (quotation, high confidence) · Phil 3:13 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Cor 8:2 (quotation, high confidence) · Col 3:15 (allusion, high confidence) · Acts 4:32 (allusion, high confidence)
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Summary: Augustine appeals to the peace of God that surpasses understanding, which unites Father, Son and Spirit far more than it united the first believers, and urges a peaceful search of Scripture.
- Quotations and allusions: Phil 4:7; Phil 3:13; 1 Cor 8:2; Col 3:15; Acts 4:32.
Topics: Trinity
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 238.16 (CSEL 57:545–546; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/238-9/#p-238-16).
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238.17CSEL 57:546
Filium autem hominis eundem dicimus, quem filium dei, non tamen propter formam dei, in qua est aequalis deo patri. sed propter acceptam formam serui, qua maior est pater. et quia eundem filium hominis dicimus, propter hoc et filium dei crucifixum fatemur non ex uirtute diuinitatis sed ex infirmitate humanitatis, non ex suae naturae permansione sed ex nostrae susceptione.
We call the same one the Son of Man whom we call the Son of God, not, however, on account of the form of God, in which he is equal to God the Father, but on account of the form of a servant that he took, in which the Father is greater. And because we call the same one the Son of Man, for this reason we also confess that the Son of God was crucified, not from the power of his divinity but from the weakness of his humanity, not by the abiding of his own nature but by his taking up of ours.
Phil 2:6–7 (allusion, high confidence) · 2 Cor 13:4 (allusion, medium confidence)
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Summary: Augustine explains that the one Christ is both Son of God and Son of Man, so the Son of God is said to be crucified in his human weakness.
- Allusions: Phil 2:6–7; 2 Cor 13:4.
Topics: Christology
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 238.17 (CSEL 57:546; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/238-9/#p-238-17).
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238.18CSEL 57:546–547
Iam nunc paululum intuere, quae scripturarum eloquia nos cogant unum dominum deum confiteri, siue tantum de patre siue tantum de filio siue tantum de spiritu sancto siue simul de patre et filio et spiritu sancto interrogemur. certe scriptum est: Audi, Israhel, dominus deus tuus dominus unus est. de quo putas dictum? si tantum de patre, non est dominus deus noster Iesus Christus; et ubi Thomae uox illa tangentis et clamantis: Dominus meus et deus meus, quam Christus ipse non reprehendit, sed adprobauit dicens: Quia uidisti, credidisti? porro si et filius dominus deus est et pater dominus deus et ambo iam duo domini et duo dii, quo modo erit uerum: Dominus deus tuus dominus unus est? an forte pater est unus dominus, filius autem non unus dominus sed tantum dominus, sicut sunt dii multi et domini multi, non sicut ille unus, de quo scriptum est: Dominus deus tuus dominus unus est? quid ergo apostolo respondebimus dicenti: Nam etsi sunt, qui dicuntur dii, siue in caelo siue in terra, sicut sunt dii multi et domini multi, nobis tamen unus deus pater. ex quo omnia et nos in ipso, et unus dominus noster Iesus Christus, per quem omnia et nos per ipsum? porro si, quod de uno deo patre dicitur, cogit inde filium separari, dicant, qui audent, non posse iam intellegi dominum patrem, quia unus, inquit, dominus noster Iesus Christus. nam si unus, utique solus; si solus, quo modo et pater, nisi quia et ipse et pater unus deus et solus deus non separato spiritu sancto? unus ergo deus pater et cum illo filius unus deus, quamuis non cum illo unus pater, itemque unus dominus Iesus Christus et cum illo unus dominus pater, quamuis non cum illo unus Iesus Christus, tamquam et pater sit Iesus Christus; hoc enim nomen ex dispensatione misericordiae susceptaeque humanitatis adsumptum est.
Now consider for a little which words of the Scriptures compel us to confess one Lord God, whether we are asked about the Father alone, or the Son alone, or the Holy Spirit alone, or about the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit together. Certainly it is written: “Hear, O Israel, the Lord your God is one Lord.” Of whom do you think this was said? If of the Father only, then our Lord Jesus Christ is not Lord God; and where is that cry of Thomas as he touched him, “My Lord and my God,” which Christ himself did not rebuke but approved, saying, “Because you have seen, you have believed”? Further, if the Son is Lord God and the Father is Lord God, and both are now two lords and two gods, how will it be true that “the Lord your God is one Lord”? Or perhaps the Father is one Lord, but the Son is not one Lord but only a lord, as there are many gods and many lords, not as that one of whom it is written, “The Lord your God is one Lord”? What then shall we answer the apostle when he says, “For although there are those called gods, whether in heaven or on earth, as there are many gods and many lords, yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and we in him, and one Lord, our Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and we through him”? Further, if what is said of one God the Father forces the Son to be separated from it, let those who dare say that the Father can no longer be understood as Lord, because, it says, “one Lord, our Jesus Christ.” For if one, certainly alone; if alone, how is the Father Lord too, unless because he and the Father are one God and God alone, the Holy Spirit not being separated? So the Father is one God, and with him the Son is one God, though not with him one Father; and likewise Jesus Christ is one Lord, and with him the Father is one Lord, though not with him one Jesus Christ, as if the Father too were Jesus Christ; for this name was taken from the dispensation of mercy and the humanity assumed.
Deut 6:4 (quotation, high confidence) · John 20:28–29 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Cor 8:5–6 (quotation, high confidence)
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Summary: Augustine argues from Deut 6:4, Thomas's confession and 1 Cor 8:5–6 that Father and Son are together the one Lord God.
- Quotations: Deut 6:4; John 20:28–29; 1 Cor 8:5–6.
Topics: Trinity
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 238.18 (CSEL 57:546–547; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/238-9/#p-238-18).
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238.19CSEL 57:547–548
An forte. quod ait apostolus: Unus dominus noster Iesus Christus, per quem omnia, non uultis adiungi. quod dictum est unus, ad id, quod est dominus. sed ad id, quod ait per quem omnia, ut non unus dominus sed unus, per quem omnia: intellegatur, ut non sit pater. per quem omnia. sed pater solus, ex quo omnia, et filius solus. per quem omnia? si ita est, iam tandem fatemini unum dominum et deum nostrum esse patrem et filium. quis enim cognouit sensum domini? aut quis consiliarius eius fuit? aut quis prior dedit ei et retribuetur ei? quoniam ex ipso et per ipsum et in ipso sunt omnia, ipsi gloria. neque enim dixit ex patre omnia et per filium omnia sed ex ipso et per ipsum et in ipso. quo? nisi domino. de quo ait: Quis enim cognouit sensum domini? ex domino ergo et per dominum et in domino omnia non alio illo et alio isto sed uno domino, quia non dixit ipsis gloria sed ipsi gloria.
Or perhaps in what the apostle says, “one Lord, our Jesus Christ, through whom are all things,” you do not want “one” to be joined to “Lord” but to “through whom are all things,” so that it is understood not as one Lord but as the one through whom are all things, so that the Father is not the one through whom are all things, but the Father alone is the one from whom are all things, and the Son alone the one through whom are all things? If so, then at last confess that the Father and the Son are our one Lord and God. For “who has known the mind of the Lord? Or who has been his counselor? Or who has first given to him, that it should be repaid him? For from him and through him and in him are all things; to him be glory.” For he did not say “from the Father all things and through the Son all things,” but “from him and through him and in him.” From whom, but the Lord of whom he says, “For who has known the mind of the Lord?” So all things are from the Lord and through the Lord and in the Lord, not from one and through another, but from one Lord, because he did not say “to them be glory” but “to him be glory.”
1 Cor 8:6 (quotation, high confidence) · Rom 11:34–36 (quotation, high confidence)
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Summary: Augustine argues from Rom 11:34–36 that “from him, through him and in him are all things” refers to one Lord, Father and Son together.
- Quotations: 1 Cor 8:6; Rom 11:34–36.
Topics: Trinity
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 238.19 (CSEL 57:547–548; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/238-9/#p-238-19).
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238.20CSEL 57:548–549
Quod si quisquam dicit id. quod ait apostolus unus dominus Iesus Christus, per quem omnia, non intellegi unus dominus nec unus. per quem omnia. sed unus Iesus Christus. qui unus Iesus Christus etiam dominus dicitur. non tamen ut unus dominus sit sed unus Iesus Christus. quid dicturus est. cum audierit eundem apostolum clamantem: Unus dominus, una fides, unum baptisma. unus deus et pater omnium? cum enim deum patrem hic commemoret. ubi ait: Unus deus et pater omnium. procul dubio superius. ubi dixit: Unus dominus. quem nisi dominum Iesum Christum uoluit intellegi? si ergo eis placet. desinat esse dominus pater, quia unus est dominus Iesus Christus. quod si absurdum et impium est opinari, discamus intellegere unitatem patris et filii et spiritus sancti, ut, quod de uno solo deo dictum fuerit, non continuo prohibeamur de filio uel de spiritu sancto intellegere, quia pater quidem non est filius et filius non est pater et spiritus utriusque non est pater aut filius, sed tamen et pater et filius et spiritus sanctus unus, qui solus et uerus est dominus deus.
But if anyone says that in the apostle's words, “one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things,” we are to understand not one Lord, nor the one through whom are all things, but one Jesus Christ, who, being one Jesus Christ, is also called Lord, yet not so as to be one Lord but one Jesus Christ, what will he say when he hears the same apostle proclaim, “One Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all”? For since he mentions God the Father here, where he says, “one God and Father of all,” without doubt above, where he said “one Lord,” whom did he wish to be understood but the Lord Jesus Christ? If, then, it pleases them, let the Father cease to be Lord, because there is one Lord, Jesus Christ. But if it is absurd and impious to think so, let us learn to understand the unity of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, so that what has been said of one God alone we are not at once forbidden to understand of the Son or of the Holy Spirit; because the Father indeed is not the Son, and the Son is not the Father, and the Spirit of both is neither Father nor Son, but yet the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit are one, who alone is the true Lord God.
Eph 4:5–6 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Cor 8:6 (quotation, high confidence)
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Summary: Augustine argues from Eph 4:5–6 that “one Lord” refers to Christ without excluding the Father, so that Father, Son and Spirit, though distinct, are the one true Lord God.
- Quotation: Eph 4:5–6.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR misread; stray mark): omnia.> non → omnia, non; dominum Iesum Christus → dominum Iesum Christum; uttiusque → utriusque.
Topics: Trinity
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 238.20 (CSEL 57:548–549; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/238-9/#p-238-20).
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238.21CSEL 57:549–550
Neque enim, spiritus sanctus si aut deus aut uerus deus non esset, templum eius essent corpora nostra. nescitis, inquit, quia corpora uestra templum in uobis est spiritus sancti, quem habetis a deo? et ne quisquam ipsum spiritum negaret deum, continuo secutus ait: Et non estis uestri; empti enim estis pretio. glorificate ergo deum in corpore uestro, eum scilicet, cuius templum corpora nostra esse praedixerat. iam hoc mirabile est, si uerum est, quod uos audio dicere, ita esse spiritum sanctum minorem filio, sicut patre minor est filius. cum enim corpora nostra membra sint Christi, sicut dicit apostolus. itemque corpora nostra templum sint spiritus sancti, sicut idem dicit apostolus, nimium miror, quo modo sint membra maioris templum minoris. an forte iam placet dicere spiritum sanctum domino Iesu Christo esse maiorem? uidetur enim suffragari huic opinioni etiam illa sententia. quoniam, qui dixerit uerbum aduersus filium hominis, remittetur ei; qui autem dixerit aduersus spiritum sanctum. non remittetur ei neque in hoc saeculo neque in futuro. periculosius enim peccatur in maiorem quam in minorem; nec separari fas est filium hominis a filio dei, quia ipse filius dei factus est filius hominis non mutando, quod erat, sed adsumendo, quod non erat. sed absit etiam talis impietas, ut spiritus sanctus maior filio esse credatur. non ergo facile in peruersum moueant. quae ita dicuntur. quasi ostendant alterum altero esse maiorem.
For if the Holy Spirit were not God or true God, our bodies would not be his temple. “Do you not know,” he says, “that your bodies are a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God?” And so that no one would deny that the Spirit himself is God, he went on at once: “And you are not your own; for you were bought with a price. Glorify God, then, in your body,” that is, him whose temple he had just said our bodies are. Now this is a wonder, if what I hear you say is true, that the Holy Spirit is less than the Son just as the Son is less than the Father. For since our bodies are members of Christ, as the apostle says, and likewise our bodies are a temple of the Holy Spirit, as the same apostle says, I am greatly astonished how the members of the greater can be the temple of the lesser. Or perhaps you now wish to say that the Holy Spirit is greater than the Lord Jesus Christ? For that saying too seems to support this opinion: “Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.” For it is more dangerous to sin against the greater than against the lesser; and it is not right to separate the Son of Man from the Son of God, since the Son of God himself became the Son of Man, not by changing what he was but by taking what he was not. But far be such impiety too, that the Holy Spirit should be believed greater than the Son. So let not sayings that seem to show one greater than another easily move anyone to perversity.
1 Cor 6:19–20 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Cor 6:15 (allusion, high confidence) · Matt 12:32 (quotation, high confidence)
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Summary: Augustine argues from 1 Cor 6:19–20 that the Holy Spirit is God, and shows that texts seeming to rank the persons would prove too much.
- Quotations: 1 Cor 6:19–20; Matt 12:32. Allusion: 1 Cor 6:15. The Arian view that the Spirit is less than the Son is reported by Augustine.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (split word): E t non → Et non.
Topics: Trinity
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 238.21 (CSEL 57:549–550; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/238-9/#p-238-21).
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238.22CSEL 57:550–551
Nam quaedam etiam sic dicuntur, hominibus parum intellegentibus ut et ipse filius maior patre uideatur. quis enim. cum fuerit interrogatus, quid sit maius uerus aut ueritas. non potius respondeat ueritatem esse maiorem? ab illa enim uera sunt, quaecumque uera sunt. non autem ita est in deo. nam filium maiorem patre utrique non dicimus et tamen filius dictus est ueritas: Ego sum, inquit. uia et ueritas et uita. de patre autem tantum modo uos uultis intellegi, quod ait: Ut cognoscant te unum uerum deum et, quem misisti, Iesum Christum, ubi nos subaudimus etiam Iesum Christum uerum deum, ut haec sit sententia: te et, quem misisti. Iesum Christum cognoscant unum uerum deum ne illa consequatur absurditas, ut, si propterea non est uerus deus Iesus Christus, quia dictum est patri: Te unum uerum deum, propterea non sit dominus pater, quia dictum est de Christo: Unus dominus. uerum tamen secundum prauum intellectum uel potius errorem maior est deus ueritas quam deus uerus. quia uerus a ueritate est; maior ergo patre filius, quia iste est ueritas, ille uerus. hanc peruersitatem pellit ex animo, qui didicerit patrem deum uerum esse gignendo ueritatem, non participando; non est autem alia substantia ueri gignentis et alia genitae ueritatis.
For some things are said in such a way that, to people of little understanding, even the Son seems greater than the Father. For who, asked which is greater, the true or truth, would not rather answer that truth is greater? For whatever things are true are true by it. But it is not so in God. For neither of us says the Son is greater than the Father, and yet the Son is called the Truth: “I am,” he says, “the way and the truth and the life.” But you wish the saying, “that they may know you, the one true God, and Jesus Christ whom you sent,” to be understood of the Father only, where we understand Jesus Christ also as true God, so that the sense is: “that they may know you and Jesus Christ whom you sent as the one true God”; lest that absurdity follow that, if Jesus Christ is not true God because it was said to the Father, “you, the one true God,” then the Father is not Lord because it was said of Christ, “one Lord.” Yet by a perverse understanding, or rather error, God the Truth is greater than the true God, since the true is from the truth; so the Son would be greater than the Father, because he is the Truth and the Father is true. This perversity is driven from the mind of one who has learned that the Father is true God by begetting the Truth, not by participating in it; and the substance of the true one who begets is not other than that of the Truth begotten.
John 14:6 (quotation, high confidence) · John 17:3 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Cor 8:6 (allusion, high confidence)
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Summary: Augustine argues that John 17:3 should be read as including Christ as the one true God, and that the Father is true by begetting the Truth, not by sharing in it.
- Quotations: John 14:6; John 17:3; 1 Cor 8:6.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR misread): nerum deum → uerum deum.
Topics: Trinity
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 238.22 (CSEL 57:550–551; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/238-9/#p-238-22).
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238.23CSEL 57:551–552
Sed cum ad haec contemplanda infirmus sit oculus cordis humani, accedit, ut de contentione etiam turbulentus sit. et quando ista conspiciet? dicit scriptura filium dei, dominum et saluatorem nostrum Iesum Christum, uerbum dei esse et ueritatem et sapientiam et homines eum ante incarnationem, quam de Maria uirgine accepit, sine ulla omnino susceptione corporeae creaturae per ipsam naturam et substantiam suam, qua uerbum dei est et sapientia dei, uisibilem et corruptibilem dicunt, dum sibi nolunt constare, quod sentiunt. de patre tantum modo esse dictum: Inuisibili. incorruptibili soli deo! rogo te: uerbum hominis non est uisibile, nedum uerbum dei: iam uero sapientia illa, de qua dictum est: Adtingit ubique propter suam munditiam et: Nihil inquinatum in eam incurrit et: In se ipsa manens innouat omnia et si qua similia, quae numerari non possunt, si corruptibilis est. nescio quid dicam. nisi ut doleam praesumptionem humanam et mirer patientiam diuinam.
But since the eye of the human heart is weak for contemplating these things, it happens besides that it is also troubled by contention. And when will it behold them? Scripture says that the Son of God, our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, is the Word of God and the Truth and the Wisdom; and men say that before the incarnation, which he received from the Virgin Mary, without taking up any bodily creature at all, by his very nature and substance, by which he is the Word of God and the Wisdom of God, he was visible and corruptible, while they want to hold, as they think, that “to the invisible, incorruptible, only God” was said of the Father alone! I ask you: a man's word is not visible, much less the Word of God. And as for that Wisdom of which it was said, “She reaches everywhere because of her purity,” and, “Nothing defiled enters into her,” and, “Remaining in herself she renews all things,” and other such things that cannot be counted, if she is corruptible, I do not know what to say, except to grieve at human presumption and wonder at divine patience.
1 Tim 1:17 (quotation, high confidence)
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Summary: Augustine rejects the Arian claim that the Son before the incarnation was visible and corruptible, citing the Wisdom of Solomon on divine Wisdom.
- Quotations: 1 Tim 1:17; Wis 7:24, 25, 27. The Arian view is reported by Augustine.
Extrabiblical texts: Wis 7:24 (Wisdom of Solomon [in RC, EO, ETH canons]; quotation); Wis 7:25 (Wisdom of Solomon [in RC, EO, ETH canons]; quotation); Wis 7:27 (Wisdom of Solomon [in RC, EO, ETH canons]; quotation)
Topics: Trinity, Christology
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 238.23 (CSEL 57:551–552; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/238-9/#p-238-23).
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238.24CSEL 57:552
Cum uero de illa dictum sit: Candor est enim lucis aeternae, nec uestri, ut arbitror, iam dicunt lucem patris. quae quid est nisi eius substantia, fuisse aliquando sine candore a se genito, sicut ista in diuinis et spiritalibus et incorporeis et incommutabilibus credi et utcumque intellegi possunt; audio enim iam eos emendasse. an forte falsum est hoc eos aliquando dixisse, quod fuerit aliquando pater sine filio, tamquam fuerit lux aeterna sine candore, quem genuit? quid ergo dicimus? si natus est filius dei de patre, iam pater destitit gignere; et si destitit, coepit; si autem coepit gignere. fuit aliquando sine filio; sed numquam fuit sine filio, quia filius eius sapientia eius est, quae candor est lucis aeternae: ergo semper gignit pater et semper nascitur filius. hic rursus timendum est, ne putetur inperfecta generatio, si non dicimus natum esse sed nasci. compatere mecum, obsecro, in his angustiis humanae cogitationis et linguae et pariter confugiamus ad spiritum dei per prophetam dicentem: Generationem eius quis enarrabit?
But since it is said of her, “For she is the brightness of eternal light,” not even your people, I think, now say that the light of the Father, which is nothing but his substance, was ever without the brightness begotten from it, as such things can be believed and somehow understood in divine, spiritual, incorporeal and unchangeable matters; for I hear they have now corrected this. Or is it perhaps false that they once said that the Father was once without the Son, as if eternal light had been without the brightness it begot? What, then, do we say? If the Son of God has been born of the Father, the Father has ceased begetting; and if he ceased, he began; but if he began to beget, he was once without a Son. But he was never without a Son, because his Son is his Wisdom, which is the brightness of eternal light; therefore the Father always begets and the Son is always born. Here again we must fear lest the generation be thought imperfect if we say not that he has been born but that he is being born. Have compassion on me, I beg you, in these straits of human thought and speech, and let us take refuge together in the Spirit of God, who says through the prophet: “Who shall declare his generation?”
Isa 53:8 (quotation, high confidence)
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Summary: Augustine argues from Wis 7:26 that the Father was never without the Son, who is eternally begotten, and confesses the limits of language before Isa 53:8.
- Quotations: Wis 7:26; Isa 53:8 (Old Latin/LXX).
Extrabiblical texts: Wis 7:26 (Wisdom of Solomon [in RC, EO, ETH canons]; quotation)
Topics: Trinity
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 238.24 (CSEL 57:552; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/238-9/#p-238-24).
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238.25CSEL 57:552–553
Hoc unum interim peto ut diligenter exquiras, utrum alicubi scriptura diuina de diuersis substantiis dixerit, quod unum sint. si enim non inuenitur dictum nisi de his rebus, quas constat esse unius eiusdemque substantiae, quid opus est, ut rebellemus aduersus ueram et catholicam fidem? si autem inueneris alicubi hoc scriptum etiam de diuersis substantiis, tunc aliud cogar inquirere, unde ostendam recte ὁμοούσιον dictum patrem et filium. nam si illi, qui scripturas nostras aut nesciunt aut non laboriose scrutantur et tamen filium eiusdem substantiae et aequalem patri credunt, dicant eis, qui hoc nolunt credere, cum tamen deum patrem filium habere unigenitum credant: Noluit deus habere aequalem filium, an non potuit? si noluit, inuidus est; si non potuit, infirmus est; utrumuis autem horum de deo sentire sacrilegum est nescio. utrum possint inuenire, quid dicant, si nolint res absurdissimas et stultissimas dicere.
For now I ask this one thing: that you diligently inquire whether divine Scripture anywhere says of different substances that they are one. For if it is not found said except of things that are agreed to be of one and the same substance, what need is there for us to rebel against the true and Catholic faith? But if you find this written somewhere even of different substances, then I will be forced to look for something else by which to show that the Father and the Son are rightly called homoousios. For if those who either do not know our Scriptures or do not search them laboriously, and yet believe that the Son is of the same substance as the Father and equal to him, say to those who will not believe this, although they believe that God the Father has an only-begotten Son, “Did God not wish to have an equal Son, or was he unable? If he did not wish it, he is envious; if he was unable, he is weak; and to think either of these of God is sacrilege,” I do not know whether they can find anything to say, unless they want to say the most absurd and foolish things.
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Summary: Augustine challenges Pascentius to find Scripture calling different substances “one,” and cites the argument that God either would not or could not beget an equal Son.
Topics: Trinity
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 238.25 (CSEL 57:552–553; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/238-9/#p-238-25).
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238.26CSEL 57:553–554
Ecce, quantum potui, exposui tibi fidem meam. et plura quidem dici possunt et diligentius disputari, sed uereor, ne ista ipsa, quae dixi, oneri sint occupationibus tuis. tamen ea non solum dictata conscribi uolui, sed etiam manu mea subscribenda curaui, quod quidem et antea uolueram, si, quod inter nos placuerat, seruaretur. sed modo certe puto iam non a te debere dici timuisse me tibi dicere fidem meam, quando non solum dixi. sed scriptam subscripsi, ne me quisquam dicat aut dixisse, quod non dixi, aut non dixisse, quod dixi. hoc fac et tu, si iudices quaeris. non qui in ore tuo reuereantur personam tuam, sed qui in litteris tuis exerant libertatem suam. si enim calumniam times, quod nullo modo auderem dicere, nisi hoc ipse dixisses, licet tibi non subscribere; nam et ego propterea nolui scribi nomen tuum in his meis litteris, ne hoc forte noluisses.
There, as best I could, I have set out my faith to you. More could indeed be said and argued more carefully, but I fear that even what I have said may be a burden to your busy life. Yet I wished it not only dictated and written down, but I also took care to sign it with my own hand, which indeed I had wished before too, if what we had agreed had been kept. But now surely I think it can no longer be said by you that I was afraid to tell you my faith, since I have not only told it but signed it in writing, so that no one may say that I said what I did not say or did not say what I said. Do the same yourself, if you seek judges, not ones who would revere your person in your presence, but ones who exercise their freedom over your writing. For if you fear a false charge, which I would in no way dare to say had you not said it yourself, you may refrain from signing; for I too did not want your name written in this letter of mine, in case you perhaps did not wish it.
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Summary: Augustine says he has signed his statement of faith and invites Pascentius to reply in writing, signed or unsigned.
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 238.26 (CSEL 57:553–554; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/238-9/#p-238-26).
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238.27CSEL 57:554
Facile est. ut quisque Augustinum uincat. uidens, utrum ueritate an clamore; non est meum dicere, nisi quia facile est, ut quisque Augustinum uincat, quanto magis, ut uicisse uideatur aut, etsi non uideatur uicisse, dicatur! facile est hoc: nolo magnum putes, nolo pro magno appetas. nam cum aduerterint homines in hac re tam ingentem flammam cordis tui, multi gaudebunt se inuenisse occasionem, ut ad pauca euge, euge tam potentem uirum faciant amicum, nolo dicere, quia, si non foueant uel si contrariam sententiam proferant, etiam formidare poterunt inimicum inepte quidem et stulte. sed tamen plerique homines ita sunt.
It is easy for anyone to defeat Augustine; let others see whether by truth or by shouting. It is not for me to say, except that it is easy for anyone to defeat Augustine, how much more to seem to have won, or, even if he does not seem to have won, to be said to have won! This is easy: I do not want you to think it great, I do not want you to seek it as something great. For when people notice so great a flame in your heart on this matter, many will rejoice to have found an occasion, with a few cries of “Bravo, bravo,” to make so powerful a man their friend; I do not like to say that, if they do not support you or if they put forward the contrary view, they may even fear you as an enemy, foolishly and stupidly indeed, but most people are like that.
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Summary: Augustine warns Pascentius that to defeat or seem to defeat him is easy and that flatterers will applaud a powerful man.
- “Let others see”: the digital text reads uidens, evidently a slip (probably for uiderit); translated by sense.
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 238.27 (CSEL 57:554; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/238-9/#p-238-27).
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238.28CSEL 57:554–555
Noli ergo adtendere, quo modo uincatur Augustinus qualiscumque unus homo, sed adtende potius, utrum uinci possit όμοούσιον, non ipsum uerbum Graecum, quod facile est non intellegentibus inridere, sed illud, quod scriptum est: Ego et pater unum sumus et: Pater sancte, serua eos in nomine tuo, quos dedisti mihi, ut sint unum sicut et nos. item paulo post: Non pro his autem rogo tantum, inquit, sed et pro eis, qui credituri sunt per uerbum eorum in me, ut omnes unum sint sicut tu, pater, in me et ego in te. ut et ipsi in nobis unum sint, ut mundus credat, quia tu me misisti. et ego claritatem, quam dedisti mihi, dedi illis, ut sint unum, sicut nos unum sumus ego in eis et tu in me. ut sint consummati in unum. uide, quotiens dixit sint unum, sicut et nos unum sumus. nusquam tamen dixit ipsi et nos sumus unum sed sicut ego et tu sumus unum. sic et ipsi in nobis sint unum, quia, sicut illi erant unius eiusdemque substantiae, quos etiam unius participationis uitae aeternae facere uolebat, ita de patre et filio propterea dictum est: Unum sumus. quia unius sunt eiusdemque substantiae et non participes uitae aeternae sed ipsa principaliter uita aeterna. et poterat dicere secundum formam serui ego et ipsi unum sumus aut unum simus; nec hoc tamen dixit, quia unam substantiam patris et suam et unam illorum uolebat ostendere. si autem dixisset et tu et ipsi unum sitis, sicut et ego et tu unum sumus aut et tu et ego et ipsi unum simus. sicut et ego et tu unum sumus, nemo nostrum recusaret posse dici unum sunt etiam diuersas substantias. nunc autem uides, quam non ita sit, quia non ita dixit et saepe. dicendo uehementer commendauit, quod dixit.
So do not pay attention to how Augustine, a single man of whatever worth, may be defeated, but rather to whether homoousios can be defeated: not the Greek word itself, which is easy for those who do not understand it to mock, but what is written, “I and the Father are one,” and, “Holy Father, keep in your name those whom you have given me, that they may be one, as we are.” And again a little later: “I do not pray for these only,” he says, “but also for those who will believe in me through their word, that they all may be one, as you, Father, are in me and I in you, that they also may be one in us, that the world may believe that you sent me. And the glory you gave me I have given them, that they may be one, as we are one, I in them and you in me, that they may be made perfect in one.” See how often he said “that they may be one, as we also are one”; yet nowhere did he say “that they and we are one,” but “as I and you are one, so they too may be one in us”; because, as they were of one and the same substance, whom he also wished to make sharers in one eternal life, so it was said of the Father and the Son, “We are one,” because they are of one and the same substance, and are not sharers in eternal life but are themselves, originally, eternal life. And he could have said, according to the form of a servant, “I and they are one,” or “let us be one”; yet he did not say it, because he wished to show the one substance of the Father and himself, and the one substance of the disciples. But if he had said, “that you and they may be one, as I and you are one,” or, “that you and I and they may be one, as I and you are one,” none of us would refuse to grant that even different substances can be said to be one. But now you see how it is not so, because he did not say so, and by saying it often he strongly emphasized what he did say.
John 10:30 (quotation, high confidence) · John 17:11 (quotation, high confidence) · John 17:20–23 (quotation, high confidence)
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Summary: Augustine argues from John 10:30 and 17:11, 20–23 that “one” is said only of those of the same substance, so the Father and Son are homoousios.
- Quotations: John 10:30; John 17:11; John 17:20–23.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (stray letter; stray marks): ego I claritatem → ego claritatem; sint r unum → sint unum; >-dicendo → dicendo.
Topics: Trinity
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 238.28 (CSEL 57:554–555; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/238-9/#p-238-28).
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238.29CSEL 57:555–556
Inuenis ergo in scripturis aliquid unum de diuersis naturis. sicut supra ostendimus, sed additur uel subauditur quid unum. sicut ex anima et corpore dicimus unum animal et una persona et unus homo uel est uel sunt. sine aliqua uero adiunctione dici unum sunt si inueneris in scripturis nisi de his, qui unius substantiae sunt, iustissime flagitabis. ut alia proferamus, unde ὁμοούσιον demonstremus. sunt enim et alia multa; sed interim de hoc uno cogita deposito studio contentionis, ut habeas propitium deum. non enim bonum hominis est hominem uincere, sed bonum est homini. ut eum ueritas uincat uolentem, quia malum est homini, ut eum ueritas uincat inuitum. nam ipsa uincat necesse est siue negantem siue confitentem. da ueniam, si quid liberius dixi non ad contumeliam tuam sed ad defensionem meam. praesumpsi enim de grauitate et prudentia tua, quia potes considerare, quantam mihi respondendi necessitatem inposueris, aut. si et hoc non recte feci, et hinc da ueniam. Huic scripturae a me dictatae et relectae Augustinus subscripsi.
You do find in the Scriptures something called one from different natures, as we showed above, but something is added or understood: “one” what, as from soul and body we say that there is, or they are, one animal, one person, one man. But if you find in the Scriptures “they are one” said without any addition except of those who are of one substance, you will most justly demand that we bring forward other things by which to demonstrate homoousios. For there are many others; but for now think about this one, putting aside the zeal for contention, so that you may have God favorable. For it is not good for a man to conquer a man; but it is good for a man that the truth conquer him willing, because it is bad for a man that the truth conquer him unwilling. For it must conquer, whether he denies or confesses. Pardon me if I have said anything rather freely, not to insult you but to defend myself. For I presumed on your gravity and prudence, since you can consider how great a necessity of replying you laid on me; or, if I did not do right in this either, pardon me for this too. I, Augustine, have signed this writing, dictated and reread by me.
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Summary: Augustine concludes that Scripture calls things simply “one” only when they share one substance, urges Pascentius to let the truth conquer him willingly, and signs the letter.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR misread; stray hyphen): aliquid -unum → aliquid unum; sine negantem → siue negantem.
Topics: Trinity
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 238.29 (CSEL 57:555–556; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/238-9/#p-238-29).
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