Sermons to the People 240.1–241.8
Latin text: PL 38 (Latin text: Migne, PL 38, digitized by Open Greek and Latin (patrologia_latina-dev, University of Leipzig), CC BY-SA 4.0).English: Claude (claude-opus-5-5), public domain (CC0). Compare: NPNF 1/6: Sermons on Selected Lessons of the New Testament (R. G. MacMullen, ed., 1888).
Chapter 240
240.1PL 38:1112–1113
Per hos dies, sicut recolit Charitas vestra, solemniter leguntur cvangelicæ lectiones ad resurrectionem Domini pertinentes. Omnes enim Evangelistæ quatuor, neque dc passione, ncquc de resurrectione ejus tacere potucrunt. Nam quia multa fecit Dominus Jesus, non omnes omnia conscripserunt: sed alius ista, alius illa; summa tamen concordia veritatis. Multa etiam commemorat Joannes evangelista facta esse a Domino Jesu Christo, quæ a nullo eorum conscripta suit. Tanta facta sunt, quanta tunc fieri debuerunt: tanta scripta sunt, quanta nunc Icgi debuerunt. Ut autem ostendantur Evangelistæ omnes quatuor, in co quod simul omnes dicunt et non prætermittunt, id est, vel de passione, vel de resurrectione Christi, non inter se dixisse contraria, valde opcrosus est labor- Nonnulli enim putaverunt eos inter se esse contrarios, cum ipsi essent contrarii animæ suae. Et ideo data est opera ab eis qui potuerunt, adjuvante Domino, ut ostenderentur iuter se non esse contrarii. Sed, sicut dixi, si hoc vobis ostendam, et in populo velim ista tractare, multitudo audientium prius obruitur tædio, quam reveletur scientia veritatis. Sed scio fidem vestram, id est, fidem hujus totius multitudinis, ct eorum qui hodie hic non sunt, et tamen fideles sunt; novi fidem corum sic esse certam de vcritatc Evangelistarum, ut expositione mea non indigeant. Qui novit quomodo ista defendat, doctior est, non fidelior. Habet fidem, habet facultatem defendendi fidem. Alius non habet facultatem et copiam et doctrinam defendendi fidem, sed habet ipsam fidem. Ille autem qui novit defendere fidem, titubantibus cst necessarius, non credentibus. In defensione enim fidei, curantur vulnera dubitationis vel infidelitatis. Qui ergo defendit fidem, bonus est medicus: sec! in te non est infidelitatis morbus. Quando illc novit curare quod tu non habes? Novit ille poncic medicamentum, sed in Ie non est vitium. Non est opus sanis medicus, sed male habentibus.
During these days, as Your Love recalls, the Gospel readings concerning the Lord's resurrection are solemnly read. For all four evangelists could keep silent neither about his passion nor about his resurrection. For since the Lord Jesus did many things, not all wrote everything; but one wrote these things, another those; yet in the fullest agreement of truth. The evangelist John even mentions that many things were done by the Lord Jesus Christ which none of them wrote down. As many things were done as had to be done then; as many were written as had to be read now. But to show that all four evangelists, in what they all say together and do not pass over, that is, about the passion or the resurrection of Christ, did not say things contrary to one another, is a very laborious task. For some have thought them contrary to one another, when they themselves were contrary to their own souls. And so those who were able, with the Lord's help, took pains to show that they are not contrary to one another. But, as I said, if I were to show you this and wanted to treat these matters before the people, the multitude of hearers would be overwhelmed with weariness before the knowledge of the truth was revealed. But I know your faith, that is, the faith of this whole multitude, and of those who are not here today and yet are faithful; I know that their faith is so certain of the truthfulness of the evangelists that they do not need my exposition. Whoever knows how to defend these things is more learned, not more faithful. He has faith, and he has the ability to defend the faith. Another does not have the ability, the resources, and the learning to defend the faith, but has the faith itself. But he who knows how to defend the faith is needed by those who waver, not by those who believe. For in the defense of faith the wounds of doubt or unbelief are healed. Whoever defends the faith, then, is a good physician; but in you there is no disease of unbelief. Why should it matter that he knows how to cure what you do not have? He knows how to apply the remedy, but in you there is no fault. “Those who are well do not need a physician, but those who are sick.”
John 20:30 (allusion, high confidence) · John 21:25 (allusion, medium confidence) · Matt 9:12 (quotation, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: The four Gospels agree in truth though each tells different things; showing their harmony is laborious and needed only by those who waver, not by believers.
- Augustine had treated the question at length in his Harmony of the Gospels. Allusions and quotation: John 20:30; John 21:25; Matt 9:12.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (Migne's paragraph number and marginal headings left in the text; footnote digit): NUM. i. Evangelistarum in historia resurrectionis varietas sine discordia. Defensio fidei titubantibus necessaria. Per hos dies → Per hos dies; reveletur 1 scientia → reveletur scientia.
Topics: Scripture and canon
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Serm. 240.1 (PL 38:1112–1113; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-sermones/240-1). (abbreviation not yet checked)
Permanent link: https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-sermones/240-1
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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin of Migne's Patrologia Latina 38 (Maurist text; digital text, Open Greek and Latin; corrections logged). Sermons outside 51–147 have no public-domain English and were re-read against the Latin; sermons 51–147 were compared section by section with NPNF¹ 6 (MacMullen, 1888).
240.2PL 38:1113
Tamen quæ possunt expeditius dici pro tempore, ct commodius audiri, subticere' vobis non est consilii. De ipsa resurrectione, cujus in sc ipso Dominus præmisit exemplum, ut sciremus quid etiam in corporibus nostris in fine sæculi sperare debeamus, multi multa disputant; aliqui fidelitcr, aliqui infideliter. Qui fideliter disputant, scire volunt diligentius quid respondeant infidelibus: qui autem infideliter disputant, argumentantur contra animas suas, disputando contra potentiam Omnipotentis, dicentes: Unde fieri potest ut mortuus rcsurgat? Dico ego, Detis est qui facit, et tu dicis, Fieri non potest? Non dico, Da mihi Christianum, da mihi Judxum: sed. da mihi Paganum, idolorum cultorem, dæmonum servum, qui non dicat Deum esse omnipotentem. Negare Christum potest, negare omnipotentem Deum non potest. Quem u ergo credis; quasi Pagano loquor; quem tu credis Dcurn omnipotentem, ipsum ego dico mortuorum sascitatorem. Si dixcris, Non potest fieri, derogas Omnipotenti. Si autem credis illum omnipotentem, me quare respuis ista dicentem?
Yet it is not my plan to keep silent with you about what can be said rather readily in the time available and heard rather conveniently. About the resurrection itself, of which the Lord gave an example beforehand in himself so that we might know what we ought to hope for also in our bodies at the end of the world, many people argue many things; some faithfully, some unfaithfully. Those who argue faithfully want to know more carefully what to answer unbelievers; but those who argue unfaithfully argue against their own souls, disputing against the power of the Almighty and saying: How can it come about that a dead man rises? I say, God is the one who does it; and you say, It cannot come about? I do not say, Give me a Christian, give me a Jew; but give me a pagan, a worshipper of idols, a slave of demons, who does not say that God is almighty. He can deny Christ; he cannot deny God almighty. Him, then, whom you believe (I speak as if to a pagan), him whom you believe to be God almighty, I say is the raiser of the dead. If you say, It cannot come about, you detract from the Almighty. But if you believe him almighty, why do you reject me when I say these things?
Notes and citation
Summary: Even pagans admit that God is almighty; to deny that he can raise the dead is to detract from his almightiness.
Topics: Eschatology, Resurrection of the body
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Serm. 240.2 (PL 38:1113; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-sermones/240-2). (abbreviation not yet checked)
Permanent link: https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-sermones/240-2
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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin of Migne's Patrologia Latina 38 (Maurist text; digital text, Open Greek and Latin; corrections logged). Sermons outside 51–147 have no public-domain English and were re-read against the Latin; sermons 51–147 were compared section by section with NPNF¹ 6 (MacMullen, 1888).
240.3PL 38:1113
Si diceremus carnem resurrecturam, ut esuriat, ut sitiat, ut ægrotet, ut laboret; ut corruptionibus subjiciatur; merito credere non deberes. Habel enim modo caro isja has vul necessitates vel calamitates. Et hoc unde? Causa peci catum est. In uno peccavimus, et omnes ad corruptionem nati sumus. Malorum omnium nostrorum causa peccatum est. Non enim sine causa homincs mala ista patiuntur. Justus est Deus, omnipotens cst Deus: nullo modo ista pateremur, si non mereremur. Sed cum essemus in poenis, ad quas venimus de peccatis, Dominus noster Jesus Christus voluit esse in poenis nostris sine peccatis suis. Sustinendo sine culpa paenam, et culpam solvit et panam. Culpam solvit, peccata donando: pœnam solvit, a morluis resurgendo. Hoc promisit, ct nos in spe ambulare voluit: perseveremus, ct ad rem perveniemus. Caro resurget incorruptibilis, caro resurget sine vitio, sine deformitate, sine mortalitate, sine onere, siue pondere. Quæ nune tibi facit tormentum, postca tibi crit ornamentum. Ergo si bonum est habere corpus incorruptibile, quare hoc facturum Deum volumus desperare?
If we said that the flesh will rise so as to hunger, thirst, fall sick, toil, and be subject to corruption, you would rightly not believe it. For this flesh now has these necessities or calamities. And whence this? The cause is sin. In one we sinned, and we have all been born to corruption. The cause of all our evils is sin. For not without cause do men suffer these evils. God is just, God is almighty: we would in no way suffer these things if we did not deserve them. But since we were in punishments, to which we came from our sins, our Lord Jesus Christ willed to be in our punishments without sins of his own. By bearing punishment without fault, he cancelled both fault and punishment. He cancelled the fault by forgiving sins; he cancelled the punishment by rising from the dead. This he has promised, and he has willed us to walk in hope: let us persevere, and we shall come to the reality. The flesh will rise incorruptible; the flesh will rise without defect, without deformity, without mortality, without burden, without weight. What now torments you will afterwards be your adornment. If, then, it is good to have an incorruptible body, why do we want to despair that God will do this?
Rom 5:12 (allusion, high confidence) · Rom 8:25 (allusion, medium confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: Our bodily miseries come from sin; Christ shared the punishment without the sin and will raise the flesh incorruptible and free of every defect.
- Allusion: Rom 5:12; Rom 8:24–25.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (Migne's marginal heading left in the text): Calamitatum omnium causa peccatum. Si diceremus → Si diceremus.
Topics: Eschatology, Resurrection of the body
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Serm. 240.3 (PL 38:1113; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-sermones/240-3). (abbreviation not yet checked)
Permanent link: https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-sermones/240-3
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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin of Migne's Patrologia Latina 38 (Maurist text; digital text, Open Greek and Latin; corrections logged). Sermons outside 51–147 have no public-domain English and were re-read against the Latin; sermons 51–147 were compared section by section with NPNF¹ 6 (MacMullen, 1888).
240.4PL 38:1113–1114
Philosophi sæculi hujus, qui magni fuerunt et docti, et caeteris meliores, animam humanam immortalem esse senserunt: nac solum senserunt, sed quantis potuerunt argumentationibus defenderunt, et ipsas defensiones suns conscriptas posteris reliquerunt. Sunt libri, leguntur. Ideo istos philosophos dixi aliis fuisse meliores in comparatione pejorum; quia fuerunt philosophi qui diccrent homini, cum mortuus fuerit, nullam vi. tam postea remanere. Talibus illi utique praeponendi sunt. Et in quo erant itli meliorcs, quamvis in multis a veritate deviantes, tamen in quo erant isti superiores, veritati fucrant propinquantes. Ili ergo qui senserunt atque dixerunt animas humanas immortales, de malis hominum, de ærumnis erroribusque mortalium quaesierunt causas, quantum homincs potucrunt; ct dixerunt, sicut potuerunt, pracessisse nescio quæ in alia vita peccata, quorum peccatorum merito isla corpora velut carcerem animæ mereren. tur. Deinde quæsitum est ab eis, quid postea cum fuerit homo mortuus, quid erit. Et hic contriverunt ingenia sua; et laboraverunt, quantum potuerunt, reddere hominibus rationem, vel sibi, vel aliis: et dixerunt, animas hominum male viventium immundas pessimis moribus, cum exierint de corporibus, rursus continuo revolvi ad alia corpora, et pœnas hic luere quas videmus; eas vcro animas quae bene vixerunt, cum exierint de corporibus, ire ad superna coelorum, requiescere ibi in stellis et luminibus istis conspicuis, vel quibuscumque coelestibus abditisque secretis, oblivisci omnium præteritorum malorum, et rursus dcleciari redire ad corpora, et venire iterum ad ista patienda. Hoc ergo interesse voluerunt muter animas peccatorum et animas justorum, quia peccatorum animas de proximo statim cum exierint de corporibus, dicunt revolvi ad altera corpora; justorum autem animas diu esse in requie; non tamrn semper, sed rursus delectari corporibus, et de summis caelis post tantam justitiam ad ista mala facere ruinam. Hoc dixerunt valde magni philosophi. Isto plus invenire nihil potuerunt philosophi mundi hnjus, de quibus dicit Scriptura nostra: Stultam fecit Deus sapientiam hujus mundi. Si sapientiam, quanto magis slullitiam? Si sapientia mundi stultitia est apud Deum, vera stultilia mundi quam fonge est a Deo? Est tamen quædam stultitia mundi hujus, quæ pervenit ad Deum, de qua dicit Apostolus: Quoniam in sapientia Dei non cognovit mundus per sapientiam Deum, placuit Deo per stultitiam prædicationis salvos facere credentes. Et dicit: < Quoniam Judæi signa petunt. et Græc sapientiam quarunt: nos autem prædicamus Christum criitifixum; Judæis quidcm scandalnm, Gentibus stultitiam; ipsis autem vocalis Judæis ct Græcis Christum Dei virtutem et Dei sapientiam i ( I Cor. I, 20-24). Venit Dominus Christus, sapientia Dci: coolum tonat: ranæ taceant. Quod dixit veritos, boc est verum. Quod dixit, in malo quidem esse genus humanum causa peccati, manifestum est. Sed qui crediderit in Mediatorem, qui constitutus cst mcdius inter Deum ct homines (inter Deum justum et homin s injustos, medius homo justus, humanilatcm habens de imo, justitiam de summo; et ideo medius: hinc unum, et indc unmn: quia si utrumque inde, ibi esset; si utrumque hinc, nobiscum jaceret, ct medius non esset): qui ergo crediderit in Mediatorem, et fideliter ac bene vixerit, exiet quidem de corpore, et erit in requie; postea vero recipiet corpus non ad tormentum, sed ad ornamentum, et vivet cum Deo in æternum. Non est quod eum delectet ut redeat: quia sccum habet corpus. Ergo, charissimi, quoniam proposui vobis hodie quid dicant ctiam philosophi mundi hujus, quorum Dens sapientiam tanquam veram stulliliim reprobavit, crastino, adju- Tante Dommo, exponere poterimus.
The philosophers of this world, who were great and learned and better than the rest, held that the human soul is immortal; and not only held it, but defended it with all the arguments they could, and left their defenses written for posterity. The books exist; they are read. I said that these philosophers were better than others in comparison with worse ones, because there were philosophers who said that when a man has died no life remains for him afterwards. These first are certainly to be preferred to such. And in the point in which they were better, though straying from the truth in many things, yet in the point in which they were superior, they had drawn near to the truth. These, then, who held and said that human souls are immortal, sought the causes of men's evils, of the miseries and errors of mortals, as far as men could; and they said, as best they could, that certain sins had gone before in another life, by the merit of which sins these bodies were deserved as a prison for the soul. Then they were asked what will be afterwards, when a man has died. And here they wore out their wits; and they labored as much as they could to give men an account, either for themselves or for others: and they said that the souls of men who live badly, defiled by the worst morals, when they leave their bodies, are at once rolled back into other bodies and pay here the penalties that we see; but that the souls which have lived well, when they leave their bodies, go to the heights of the heavens, rest there in the stars and these conspicuous lights, or in some heavenly and hidden recesses, forget all past evils, and are again delighted to return to bodies and come back to suffer these things. This, then, is the difference they wanted between the souls of sinners and the souls of the righteous: that the souls of sinners, they say, are rolled back into other bodies immediately, as soon as they leave their bodies; but that the souls of the righteous are long at rest, yet not forever, but are again delighted by bodies, and after so much righteousness fall from the highest heavens into these evils. This is what very great philosophers said. More than this the philosophers of this world could find nothing; of whom our Scripture says: “God has made foolish the wisdom of this world.” If its wisdom, how much more its folly? If the wisdom of the world is folly with God, how far from God is the true folly of the world? Yet there is a certain folly of this world which reaches God, of which the Apostle says: “Since in the wisdom of God the world did not know God through wisdom, it pleased God through the folly of preaching to save those who believe.” And he says: “For Jews ask for signs and Greeks seek wisdom; but we preach Christ crucified, to Jews a stumbling block, to Gentiles folly, but to those called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.” The Lord Christ came, the wisdom of God: heaven thunders; let the frogs be silent. What the Truth said, that is true. What it said, that the human race is in evil because of sin, is plain. But whoever believes in the Mediator, who was established in the middle between God and men (between the just God and unjust men, the just man in the middle, having humanity from below and righteousness from above, and therefore in the middle, one thing from here and one from there: for if he had both from there he would be there, and if both from here he would lie with us and not be in the middle), whoever, then, believes in the Mediator and lives faithfully and well will indeed leave the body and be at rest; but afterwards he will receive the body back, not for torment but for adornment, and will live with God forever. There is nothing to delight him to return, because he has his body with him. So, dearly beloved, since today I have set before you what even the philosophers of this world say, whose wisdom God has rejected as true folly, tomorrow, with the Lord's help, we shall be able to set out the rest.
1 Cor 1:20 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Cor 1:21 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Cor 1:22 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Cor 1:23 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Cor 1:24 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Tim 2:5 (allusion, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: The Platonist philosophers taught the soul's immortality but also its endless return into bodies; God has made such wisdom foolish, and believers in the Mediator will receive their bodies back for glory.
- The philosophers are Platonists teaching the transmigration of souls. Quotations: 1 Cor 1:20–24. Allusion: 1 Tim 2:5.
Topics: Eschatology, Philosophy, The soul
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Serm. 240.4 (PL 38:1113–1114; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-sermones/240-4). (abbreviation not yet checked)
Permanent link: https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-sermones/240-4
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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin of Migne's Patrologia Latina 38 (Maurist text; digital text, Open Greek and Latin; corrections logged). Sermons outside 51–147 have no public-domain English and were re-read against the Latin; sermons 51–147 were compared section by section with NPNF¹ 6 (MacMullen, 1888).
Chapter 241
241.1PL 38:1114
Propria fides est Christianorum, resurrectio mortuorum. Hanc in se ipso, id est, resurrectionem mortuorum, caput nostrum Christus ostendit, et exemplum fidei nobis præstitit; ut hoc sperent membra in se, quod præcessit in capite. Hesterno die vobis insinuavimus, sapientes Gentium, qnos philosophos dicunt, ipsos qui in eis excellentissimi fuerunt, scrutatos fuisse naturam, et de operibus artificem cognovisse. Prophetas non audierunt, legem Dei non acceperunt: sed eis Deus quodam modo silens ipsius mundi operibus loquebatur, et eos ad quærendum artificem rerum, mundi species invitabat: nec potuerunt in animum inducere, coelum et terram sine auctore constare. De his beatus Paulus apostolus ita loquitur: Revelatur, inquit, ira Dei de cœlo super omnem impietatem. Quid est, super omnem impictatem? Non solum super Judæos, qui Dei legem acceperunt, et legis datorem offenderunt; verum etiam super omnem impietatem Gentium revelatur ira Dei de coelo. Et ne quisquam diceret, Quare, cum ipsi legem non acceperint? secutus adjunxit: Et injustitiam eorum qui veritatem in iniquitate detinent. Jam tu responde: Quam veritatem? Non enim acceperunt Legem, non enim audierunt Prophetam. Audi quam veritatem: Quoniam quod notum est, inquit, Dei, manifestum eat in illis. Unde manifestum? Adhuc audi: Deus enim illis manifestavit. Si adhuc quæris, Quomodo manifestavit, quibus tegem non dedit? audi quomodo: Invisibilia enim ejus, a constitutione mundi, per ea quae facta sunt, intellecta conspiciuntur. Invisibilia enim ejus, hoc est, invisibilia Dei: a constitutione mundi, id est, ex quo constituit mundum: per ea quæ facta sunt intellecta conspiciunfur, illa per hæc intellecta conspiciuntur. Sempiterna quoque; verba Apostoli dico, ipsa attexo: Sempiterna quoque virtus ejus et divinitas, subaudis, Intellecta conspiciuntur. Ut sint inexcusabiles. Quare inexcusabiles? Quia cognoscentes Deum, non sicut Deum glorificaverunt, aut gratis. cgerunt. Non dixit, Nescientes Dcum; sed, cognoscentes.
The resurrection of the dead is the faith proper to Christians. This, that is, the resurrection of the dead, Christ our head showed in himself and gave us as an example of faith, so that the members might hope for in themselves what went before in the head. Yesterday we pointed out to you that the wise men of the Gentiles, whom they call philosophers, the most excellent among them, examined nature and came to know the maker from his works. They did not hear the prophets, they did not receive the law of God; but God, as it were in silence, spoke to them by the works of the world itself, and the beauty of the world invited them to seek the maker of things; nor could they bring their minds to think that heaven and earth stand without an author. Of these the blessed apostle Paul speaks thus: “The wrath of God,” he says, “is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness.” What is “against all ungodliness”? Not only against the Jews, who received God's law and offended the lawgiver; but against all the ungodliness of the Gentiles too the wrath of God is revealed from heaven. And lest anyone say, Why, since they did not receive the law? he went on to add: “And unrighteousness of those who hold down the truth in iniquity.” Now you answer: What truth? For they did not receive the Law, they did not hear a prophet. Hear what truth: “Because what is known of God,” he says, “is manifest among them.” Whence manifest? Hear further: “For God has manifested it to them.” If you still ask, How did he manifest it to those to whom he did not give the law? hear how: “For his invisible things, from the founding of the world, are clearly seen, being understood through the things that are made.” “His invisible things,” that is, the invisible things of God; “from the founding of the world,” that is, from when he founded the world; “are clearly seen, being understood through the things that are made”: those are clearly seen, being understood through these. “His eternal also”: I say the Apostle's words, I weave them in: “his eternal power also and divinity”; understand: are clearly seen, being understood. “So that they are without excuse.” Why without excuse? “Because, knowing God, they did not glorify him as God or give thanks.” He did not say, not knowing God, but knowing.
Rom 1:18 (quotation, high confidence) · Rom 1:19 (quotation, high confidence) · Rom 1:20 (quotation, high confidence) · Rom 1:21 (quotation, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: The philosophers came to know the Creator from his works, as Romans 1 teaches, and so are without excuse for not glorifying him.
- Migne's cross-reference to the previous sermon, printed in the text, has been removed. Quotations: Rom 1:18–21.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (Migne's cross-reference left in the text; Migne's marginal heading left in the text): Deus a philosophis cognitus ex operibus mundi. Propria fides → Propria fides; cognovisse (In superiore sermone). → cognovisse..
Topics: Eschatology, Philosophy, God
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Serm. 241.1 (PL 38:1114; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-sermones/241-1). (abbreviation not yet checked)
Permanent link: https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-sermones/241-1
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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin of Migne's Patrologia Latina 38 (Maurist text; digital text, Open Greek and Latin; corrections logged). Sermons outside 51–147 have no public-domain English and were re-read against the Latin; sermons 51–147 were compared section by section with NPNF¹ 6 (MacMullen, 1888).
241.2PL 38:1114
Unde cognoscentes? Ex liis quæ fecit. Interroga pulchritudinem terræ, interroga pulchritudinem maris, interroga pulchritudinem di!alati et diflusi aeris, interroga pulchritudinem caeli, interroga ordincm siderum, interroga solcm fulgorc suo diem clarificantem, interroga lunam splendore subscquentis noctis tenebras temperantem, interroga animalia quæ moventur in aquis, quæ morantur in terris, quæ volitant in aere; latentes animas, perspicua corpora; visibilia regenda, invisibilcs regentes: interroga ista, Respondent tibi omnia: Ecce vide, pulchra sumus. Pulchritudo eorum, confessio eorum. Ista pul- ' chra mutabilia quis fecit, nisi incommutabilis pulcher? In ipso denique homine, ut possent intelligere et cognoscere Deum universi mundi creatorem; in ipso, inquam, homine interrogaverunt haec duo, corpus et animam. Hoc interrogabant quod et ipsi gestabant: videbant corpus, animam non videbant. Sed corpus nisi de anima non videbant. Videbant enim per oculum, sed intus erat qui per fenestras aspiciebat. Denique discedente habitatore, jacet domus: discedente qui regebat, cadit quod regebatur: et quoniam cadit, cadaver vocatur. Nonne ibi oculi integri? Etsi pateant, nihil vident. Aures adsunt; sed migravit auditor: linguæ organum manet; sed abscessit musicus qui movebat. interrogaverunt ergo ista duo, corpus quod videtur, animam quæ noH videtur: ct invenerunt melius esse illud quod non videtur, quam illud quod vidctur; mcliorem animam latentem, deteriorem carnem apparentem. Viderunt ista, intuiti sunt, discusserunt utrumque, et invenerunt utrumque, mutabile in ipso homine. Mutabile corpus per aetates, per corruptiones, per alimenta, per refectiones, pcr defectiones, per vitam, per mortem. Transierunt ad animam, quam utique comprehenderant meliorem, ct etiam invisibilem mirabantur: invenerunt ct ipsam mutabilem; modo velle, modo nolle; modo scire, modo nescire; modo meminisse, modo oblivisci; modo timere, modo audere; modo ire in sapientiam, modo in stultitiam deficere. Viderunt ct ipsam mutabilem, transierunt et ipsam; quæsierunt enim aliquid immutabile.
Knowing from what? From the things he made. Question the beauty of the earth, question the beauty of the sea, question the beauty of the air spread out and diffused, question the beauty of the sky, question the order of the stars, question the sun brightening the day with its radiance, question the moon tempering the darkness of the following night with its splendor, question the animals that move in the waters, that stay on the land, that fly in the air; souls hidden, bodies visible; visible things to be ruled, invisible things ruling: question these. They all answer you: See, look, we are beautiful. Their beauty is their confession. Who made these beautiful changeable things, if not the unchangeable Beautiful? Finally, in man himself, so that they might be able to understand and know God, creator of the whole world: in man himself, I say, they questioned these two, body and soul. They questioned what they themselves bore: they saw the body, they did not see the soul. But they saw the body only by means of the soul. For they saw through the eye, but within was the one who looked through the windows. Finally, when the dweller departs, the house lies fallen; when the one who ruled departs, what was ruled falls (cadit); and because it falls, it is called a cadaver. Are not the eyes there intact? Even if they are open, they see nothing. The ears are there, but the hearer has moved out. The instrument of the tongue remains, but the musician who moved it has gone away. They questioned, then, these two: the body that is seen and the soul that is not seen; and they found that what is not seen is better than what is seen: the hidden soul better, the visible flesh worse. They saw these things, they looked at them, they examined both, and they found both changeable in man himself. The body is changeable through the ages of life, through decay, through nourishment, through refreshment, through failing, through life, through death. They passed on to the soul, which they had surely grasped as better, and they marveled that it was invisible: they found it too changeable: now willing, now unwilling; now knowing, now not knowing; now remembering, now forgetting; now fearing, now daring; now advancing into wisdom, now falling away into folly. They saw it too to be changeable, and they passed beyond it too; for they were seeking something unchangeable.
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Summary: The beauty of creatures confesses their Creator; the philosophers, finding both body and soul changeable, rose beyond them to seek the unchangeable God.
- “Cadaver” is derived from cadit, “it falls.”
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (Migne's marginal heading left in the text): Ab hominis cognitione ad cognitionem Dei quomodo pervenerunt philosophi. Unde → Unde.
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Serm. 241.2 (PL 38:1114; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-sermones/241-2). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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241.3PL 38:1114–1115
Sic crgo pervenerunt ad cognoscendum Ocum qui fecit, per ista quæ fecit. Sed non sicut Deum honorificaverunt, aut gratias egerunt: ipse dicit Apostolus. Sed evanuerunt in cogitationibus suis, et obscuratum est insipiens cor eorum. Dicentes se esse sapientes, stulti facti sunt. Sibi arrogando quod acceperant, perdiderunt quod tenebant. Dicentes se quasi magnos esse, stulti facti sunt. Et quo pervenerunt? Et immutaverunt, inquit, gloriam incorruptibilis Dei, in similitudinem iMaginis corruptibilis hominis. Idola dicit. Et parum erat facere idolum ad speciem hominis, et ad sui operis similitudinem addicere artificem: parum fuit hoc. Sed insupcr quid? Et volucrum, et quadrupedum, et serpentium. Omnia quippe ista mula animalia et irrationabilia, illi quasi magni sapientes, deos sibi fecerunt. Reprehendebam, quando adorabas imaginem hominis: quid tibi faciam, quando adoras imagincm canis, imaginem colubri, imaginem crocodili? Pervenerunt usque ad isia. Quantum quærentes in superna evecti sunt, tantum cadentes in profunda demersi sunt. Altius enim mergitur, quod de alto cadit.
So, then, they came to know God who made, through the things that he made. “But they did not honor him as God or give thanks”: the Apostle himself says it. “But they became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish heart was darkened. Claiming to be wise, they became fools.” By claiming for themselves what they had received, they lost what they held. Calling themselves great, as it were, they became fools. And to what did they come? “And they changed,” he says, “the glory of the incorruptible God into the likeness of an image of corruptible man.” He means idols. And it was a small thing to make an idol in the form of a man and to bind the craftsman to the likeness of his own work: that was a small thing. But beyond that, what? “And of birds, and of four-footed beasts, and of serpents.” For all these dumb and irrational animals they, great sages as it were, made gods for themselves. I used to rebuke you when you worshipped the image of a man: what shall I do to you when you worship the image of a dog, the image of a snake, the image of a crocodile? They came even to these things. As high as they were carried up in seeking, so deep were they sunk in falling. For what falls from a height is plunged the deeper.
Rom 1:21 (quotation, high confidence) · Rom 1:22 (quotation, high confidence) · Rom 1:23 (quotation, high confidence)
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Summary: Having known God, the philosophers did not glorify him and fell into idolatry, even of animals, sinking as low as they had risen high.
- Quotations: Rom 1:21–23.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (footnote digit): imaginem crocodili1? → imaginem crocodili?.
Topics: Idolatry, Philosophy
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Serm. 241.3 (PL 38:1114–1115; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-sermones/241-3). (abbreviation not yet checked)
Permanent link: https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-sermones/241-3
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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin of Migne's Patrologia Latina 38 (Maurist text; digital text, Open Greek and Latin; corrections logged). Sermons outside 51–147 have no public-domain English and were re-read against the Latin; sermons 51–147 were compared section by section with NPNF¹ 6 (MacMullen, 1888).
241.4PL 38:1115
Ili ergo, sicut hesterno die vos commonui, quæsierunt quid postea, id est, quid post hanc vitam. Quæsierunt sicut homines: sed quando invenirent, cum homines essent? Doctrinam Dei non habuerunt, Prophetas non audierunt: non potuerunt invenire, suspicati sunt. Retuli vobis beri suspiciones illorum. Exeunt animæ malæ, Inquiunt; et quia immundæ sunt, continuo in alia corpora revolvuntur: exeunt animx sapientium atque justorum; ct quia bene vixeruntvolant ad cœlum. Age belle,belle illis invenisti locum: volantes ad cœlum perveniunt. Et quid ibi! Ibi erunl, inquiunt, et requiescent cum diis: sedes eorum erint stellae. Non malum habitaculum illis invenistis: vel ibi illas dimittite, noiitc illas dejicere. Sed, inquiunt, tpost longa tempora, facta penitus oblivione veterum miseriarum, incipiunt velle reverti in corpora; et delectabit casvenirc, et rursus veniunt ad ista patienda, ad ista toleranda, ad obliviscendum Deum, ad blasphemandum Deum, ad sequendas corporis voluptates, ad pugnas contra libidines. Veniunt ad istas miserias, unde, et quo? Dic mihi, quare! Quia obliviscuntur. Si omnia mala obliviscuntur, obliviscantur ct delectationcm camis. Hoc solum malo suo meminerant, unde ruerunt. Veniunt: quare? Quia dclectat eas rursus in corporibus habitare. Unde delectat, nisi per memoriam, quia ibi aliquando habita verunt? Dele totam memoriam, et forte rcsiduam facies sapientiam: nibil remaneat quod rcvocct.
These, then, as I reminded you yesterday, inquired what comes afterwards, that is, what comes after this life. They inquired as men: but how would they find it, since they were men? They did not have God's teaching; they did not hear the prophets: they could not find it; they conjectured. I reported their conjectures to you yesterday. Bad souls go out, they say, and because they are unclean they are at once rolled back into other bodies; the souls of the wise and righteous go out, and because they have lived well they fly to heaven. Well done, well done: you have found them a fine place: flying, they reach heaven. And what there? There they will be, they say, and they will rest with the gods: their seats will be the stars. You have found them no bad dwelling: at least leave them there; do not throw them down. But, they say, after long ages, having utterly forgotten their old miseries, they begin to want to return to bodies; and it will delight them to come, and they come again to suffer these things, to endure these things, to forget God, to blaspheme God, to follow the pleasures of the body, to fight against lusts. They come to these miseries: from where, and to where? Tell me why! Because they forget. If they forget all evils, let them forget also the delight of the flesh. This alone they remembered, to their harm, from which they fell. They come: why? Because it delights them to dwell again in bodies. How does it delight them, except through memory, because they once dwelt there? Wipe out the whole memory, and perhaps you will leave wisdom remaining: let nothing remain that calls them back.
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Summary: Augustine mocks the Platonist notion that purified souls in the stars forget their past miseries and yet desire to return to bodies.
Topics: Eschatology, Philosophy
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Serm. 241.4 (PL 38:1115; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-sermones/241-4). (abbreviation not yet checked)
Permanent link: https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-sermones/241-4
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241.5PL 38:1115
Exhorruit quidam auctor ipsorum, cui demonstrabatur, vel qui inducebat apud inferos demonstrantem patrem filio suo. Nostis enim hoc prope o:nues; atquc utinam pauci nossetis. Sed pauci nostis in libris, multi in theatris, quia Æneas descendit ad inferos, et ostendit illi pater suus animas Romanorum magnorum venturas in corpora: expavit ipse iEncas, et ait: o pater, anne aliquas ad cœlum hinc ire rutandum est Sublimes animas, iterumque ad tarda reverti Corpora? Credendumne est, inquit, quod eant ad coelum, et iterum redeant? Melius filius intelligebat, quam pater exponebat. Reprehendilcupiditatem animarum rursus in corpora redire volentium. Dixit diram cupiditatem, dixit eas miseras; nec erubuit eas. Ad hoc, philosophi, perduxistis, ut purgentur animæ, perveniant ad summam munditiam, et per ipsam munditiam obliviscantur omnia, et per obliviones miscriarum redeant ad miserias corporum. Dicite, obsecro: nonne haec etiam si vera essent, melius nescirentur? Etiam si vera essent, inquam, quæ siue dubio falsa, quia foeda sunt; nonne mclius nescirentur? An forte dicturus es mihi: Non eris sapiens, si ista nescieris? Utquid illa sciam? Possumne essemodo melior, quam tunc ero in cœlo? Si in cœlo, quando ero melior et perfectior, obliviscar omnia quas hic didici, et hæc ibi melior nesciturus sum; sine me modo illa nescire. In coelo habitantem dicis omnia obliviscentem: sine in terra esse horum omnium nescientem. Deinde, rogo te, sciunt se istæ animæ in cœlo, passuras esse rursus hujus vitae miserias, an nesciunt? Elige quod volueris. Si sciunt se passuras esse tantas miserias, quomodo sunt beatæ, miscrias suas futuras cogitantes? quomodo sunt beatæ, ubi sunt sine sccurilate? Sed video quid eligas: dicturus es, Nesciunt. Laudas ergo ibi hanc ignorantiam, quam me nunc habere non sinis, docendo me in terra, quod me nesciturum dicis in cælo. Nesciunt, inquis. Si nesciunt, et non se putant esse passuras, errando sunt beatæ. Quod enim passurac sunt, putant se non passuras: quod falsum putare, quid cst aliud quam errare? Erunt ergo errore felices; erunt beatae; non aeternitate, sed falsitate. Liberet nos,critas, ut vere beati esse possimus: quoniam no i vacat sermo Redemptoris nostri, Si vos Filius liberaverit, tunc vere Uberi eritis. Ipse enim dixit: Si manseritis in verbo meo, vere discipuli mei eritis; et cognoscetis veritatem, et veritas liberabit vos.
One of their own authors shuddered at this, the one to whom it was shown, or rather who brought in a father in the underworld showing it to his son. For nearly all of you know it; and would that few of you knew it. But few of you know it from books, many from the theaters: that Aeneas descended to the underworld, and his father showed him the souls of great Romans who were to come into bodies; Aeneas himself was terrified and said: “O father, are we to think that some souls go from here up to the sky, sublime, and return again to sluggish bodies?” Are we to believe, he says, that they go to heaven and come back again? The son understood better than the father explained. He rebuked the desire of souls wanting to return again to bodies. He called it a dread desire, he called them wretched; and he did not blush to say so. To this, philosophers, you have brought it: that souls are purified, reach the highest purity, and through that very purity forget everything, and through forgetting their miseries return to the miseries of bodies. Tell me, I beg you: even if these things were true, would it not be better not to know them? Even if they were true, I say, though without doubt they are false, because they are foul: would it not be better not to know them? Or will you perhaps tell me: You will not be wise if you do not know these things? Why should I know them? Can I be better now than I shall be then in heaven? If in heaven, when I shall be better and more perfect, I shall forget all that I have learned here, and being better there I shall not know these things, let me not know them now. You say that one dwelling in heaven forgets everything: let me be ignorant of all these things on earth. Then, I ask you, do these souls in heaven know that they will suffer again the miseries of this life, or do they not know? Choose what you will. If they know that they will suffer such great miseries, how are they happy while thinking of their miseries to come? How are they happy where they are without security? But I see what you choose: you will say, They do not know. So you praise this ignorance there, which you do not let me have now, teaching me on earth what you say I shall not know in heaven. They do not know, you say. If they do not know and do not think they will suffer, they are happy by erring. For what they will suffer, they think they will not suffer: and what is thinking falsely but erring? They will be happy, then, by error; they will be blessed, not by eternity but by falsity. May the Truth free us, so that we may be truly happy: for the word of our Redeemer is not idle: “If the Son sets you free, then you will be truly free.” For he himself said: “If you remain in my word, you will truly be my disciples; and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”
John 8:36 (quotation, high confidence) · John 8:31 (quotation, high confidence) · John 8:32 (quotation, high confidence)
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Summary: Even Virgil's Aeneas recoiled from the doctrine of souls returning to bodies; such souls would be happy only by error, whereas the Truth gives true freedom.
- Quotation: Virgil, Aen. 6.719–721 (6.721 calls it a “dread desire”). Quotations: John 8:36, 31–32.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (Migne's marginal headings left in the text; footnote digit): Virgilio non placet doctrina de animar um reditu in corpora. Animas in ea opinione beatas esse non posse. Exhorruit → Exhorruit; no i vacat sermo 1Redemptoris → no i vacat sermo Redemptoris.
Extrabiblical texts: Virgil, Aen. 6.719–721 (Virgil; quotation)
Topics: Eschatology, Philosophy, The soul
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Serm. 241.5 (PL 38:1115; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-sermones/241-5). (abbreviation not yet checked)
Permanent link: https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-sermones/241-5
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241.6PL 38:1115–1116
Deinde audite aliud pejus, aHud dolendum vel potius irridendum. Hic sapiens, hic philosojbe, hoc est, in terra (verbi gratia, Pythagoras, Plato, Porphyrius, et nescio quis alius ipsorum), quare philosopharis? Propter vitam, inquit, beatam. Quando babebis istam vitam beatam? Cnm hoc corpos, inquit, reliquero in terra. Modo ergo misera vita grrilur, sed spes est beatne vitae: ibi beata vita geritur, sed spes est miseræ vitæ. Ergo spes nostræ infelici-. tatis est felix, ot felicitatis infelix. Abjiciamus hæc, et vel rideamus quia falsa sunt, vel doleamus quia magna existimantur. Sunt enim ista, fratres mei t magna magnorum deliramenta doctorum. Quanto melius tenemus magna magnorum sacramenta sanctorum? Amore corporum dicunt redire animas purgatas, mundatas, sapientes, purgatas animas amore corporum redire ad corpora. Ergo anima purgata sic amat? Nonne amor iste magnæ sunt sordes?
Then hear something worse, something to be lamented or rather laughed at. Here, wise man, here, philosopher, that is, on earth (for example Pythagoras, Plato, Porphyry, and I know not who else of them), why do you philosophize? For the happy life, he says. When will you have this happy life? When I have left this body on earth, he says. So now a miserable life is led, but there is hope of a happy life; there a happy life is led, but there is hope of a miserable life. So the hope of our unhappiness is happy, and the hope of our happiness unhappy. Let us cast these things away, and either laugh because they are false or grieve because they are thought great. For these, my brothers, are the great ravings of great doctors. How much better do we hold the great mysteries of great saints! They say that souls purified, cleansed, and wise return out of love of bodies; that purified souls return to bodies out of love of bodies. Does a purified soul love like that? Is not that love a great filth?
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Summary: If souls return from heavenly happiness to bodily misery, the philosophers' hope makes present misery hopeful and future happiness hopeless; and love of bodies would be a stain in purified souls.
Topics: Eschatology, Philosophy
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Serm. 241.6 (PL 38:1115–1116; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-sermones/241-6). (abbreviation not yet checked)
Permanent link: https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-sermones/241-6
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241.7PL 38:1116
Sed corpus est omne fugiendum. Magnus eorum philosophus posterius Porphyrins, fidei christianæ acerrimus inimicus, qui jam christianis temporibus fuit; sed tamen ab ipsis deliramentis crubescendo, a Christianis ex aliqua parte correptus, dixit, scripsit: Corpus est omne fugiendum. Omne dixit, quasi omne corpus vinculum ærumnosum sit animæ. Et prorsus si corpus qualecumque est fugiendum, non est ut laudes ei corpus It ct dicas quomodo Deo docente fides nostra laudat corpus: quia et corpus quod modo habemus, quamvis habeamus hine poenam de peccato, et corpus quod corrumpitur, aggravet animam; tamen habet corpus istud speciem suam, dispositionem membrorum, distinctionem sensuum, erectam staturam, et cætera quae bene considerantes stupent. Verumtamen illud omnino incorruptibile, omnino immortale, omnino ad movendum agile et facile erit. Sed ait Porphyrius: Sine causa mihi laudas corpus; qualecumque sit corpus, si vult esse beata anima, corpus est omne fugiendum. Hoc dicunt philosophi: sed errant, sed delirant. Cito probo: nolo diutius disputare; quia illa quæ praedicata est debet babere subditum. Duo enim sunt invicem sibi connexa, praedicata et subdita. Superat omnia Dens: huic cuncta sunt subdita. Et anima si habet aliquem honorem apud Deum, debet habere aliquid subditum. Sed nolo hinc diutius disputare, libros vestros lego: mundum istum animal dicitis, id est, cælum, terram, maria, omnia quæ sunt ingentia corpora, immensa usque.. quaque elementa; totum hoc, universumque corpus, quod ex his elementis omnibus constat, dicitis esse animal magnum, id est, habere animam suam, sed sensus corporis non habere; quia extrinsecus nihil est quod sentiri possit: habere tamen intellectum, hærere Deo: et ipsam animam mundi vocari Jovem, vel vocari Hecatem, id est, quasi animam universalem mundum regentem, et unum quoddam animal facientem. Eumdemque mundum æternum esse dicitis, semper futurum, finem non habiturum. Si ergo æternus est mundus, et sine fine manet mundus, et animal est mundus; anima ista semper tenetur in mundo: certe corpus est omne fugiendum? Quid est qnod dicebas, Corpus est omne fugiendum? Ego dico beatas animas incorruptibilia corpora semper habituras. Tu qui dicis, Corpus est omne fugiendum, occide mundum. Tu dicis ut fugiam de carne mea:. fugiat Jupiter tuus de coelo et terra.
But “all body is to be fled.” Their great later philosopher Porphyry, the fiercest enemy of the Christian faith, who lived already in Christian times, yet blushing at those very ravings and corrected in some part by Christians, said and wrote: “All body is to be fled.” “All,” he said, as if every body were a wretched chain on the soul. And certainly, if any body whatever is to be fled, there is no point in your praising the body to him and telling how, by God's teaching, our faith praises the body: since even the body we now have, though we have it as a punishment of sin, and “the body that decays weighs down the soul,” yet this body has its beauty, the arrangement of its members, the distinction of its senses, its upright stature, and other things at which those who consider them well are amazed. But that future body will be altogether incorruptible, altogether immortal, altogether agile and easy in moving. But Porphyry says: In vain do you praise the body to me; whatever the body may be, if the soul wants to be happy, all body is to be fled. This the philosophers say: but they err, they rave. I prove it quickly; I do not want to argue longer: because that which is set over must have something subject to it. For there are two things connected with each other, what is set over and what is subject. God is above all: to him all things are subject. And the soul, if it has some honor with God, must have something subject to it. But I do not want to argue longer on this: I read your books. You say that this world is a living being, that is, heaven, earth, seas, all the things that are huge bodies, elements immense on every side: all this, and the universal body that consists of all these elements, you say is a great living being, that is, it has its own soul, but does not have bodily senses, because there is nothing outside it that could be sensed; yet it has understanding, it cleaves to God; and the soul of the world itself is called Jupiter, or is called Hecate, that is, as it were the universal soul ruling the world and making it one living being. And you say that this same world is eternal, will always be, will have no end. If, then, the world is eternal, and the world remains without end, and the world is a living being, that soul is always held in the world: is all body, then, to be fled? What is it you were saying, “All body is to be fled”? I say that blessed souls will always have incorruptible bodies. You who say, “All body is to be fled,” kill the world. You tell me to flee from my flesh: let your Jupiter flee from heaven and earth.
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Summary: Against Porphyry's maxim that all body is to be fled, Augustine points to the philosophers' own teaching that the world is an eternal living being with a soul forever joined to its body.
- Porphyry's maxim (“omne corpus fugiendum”) comes from his Return of the Soul, also cited in City of God 10.29 and 22.26. Quotation: Wis 9:15.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (footnote digit): philosophus posterius1 → philosophus posterius.
Extrabiblical texts: Porphyry, Regr. (Porphyry, On the Return of the Soul; quotation); Wis 9:15 (Wisdom of Solomon [in RC, EO, ETH canons]; quotation)
Topics: Eschatology, Resurrection of the body, Philosophy
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Serm. 241.7 (PL 38:1116; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-sermones/241-7). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin of Migne's Patrologia Latina 38 (Maurist text; digital text, Open Greek and Latin; corrections logged). Sermons outside 51–147 have no public-domain English and were re-read against the Latin; sermons 51–147 were compared section by section with NPNF¹ 6 (MacMullen, 1888).
241.8PL 38:1116
Quid quod invenimus cumdem Platonem, magistrum istorum omnium, in libro quodam suo quem scripsit de constitutione mundi, inducere Deum fabricatorem deorum, facientem scilicet deos, cœlestes, stcilas omnes, solem et lunam? Uicit ergo Deum opificem deorum coelestium: dicit ipsas stellas habere animas intellectuales, qua; intelligunt Deum, et corpora visibilia quae cernuntur. Dico, ut intelligatis: Sol istc quem videtis, non videretur, nisi corpus esset: hoc verum est. Stella ulla vel luna non videretur, nisi corpus esset: verum dicit. Ideo dicit et Apostolus: Et corpera cælestia, et corpora terrestria. Et sequitur: Alia gloria cælestium, alia et terrestrium. Et rursus dicens de gloria cœlestium corporum Apestolus adjunxit, et ait: Alia gloria solis, alia gloria lunæ, alia gloria stellarum. Stella enim ab stella differt in gloria: sic et resurrectio mortuorum. Videtis quia promissa est sanctorum corporibus claritas, ct diversa species claritatis, quia diversa sunt merita charitatis. Sed illi quid dicimt? Stellae istac quas videtis, corpora quidem sunt, sed habent suas animas intellectuales, et sunt dii. Interim de corporibus, quia corpora suut, verum dicunt: sed utrum habeant animas suas, utquid discutio? Modo veniamus ad rem. Inducitur Deus a Platone ipso alloqui deos, quos fecit de corporali et de incorporali substantia, atque inter caetera dicere illis: « Quoniam estis orti, immortales esse et indissolubiles non potestis. » Jam ad istam vocem illi intremiscere poterant. Quare? Quia immortales esse cupiebant, et mori nolebant. Ergo ut eis auferret timorem, secutus adjunxit atque ait: « Non lameD dissolvemini, neque vos ulla mortis fata periment, nee erunt valentiora quam consilium meum, quod majus est vinculum ad perpetuitatem vestram, quam illa quibus colligati estis. i Ecce Dcus dat securitatem diis a se factis: securitatem illis dat immortalitatis; securitatem illis dat, quod non relinquant globos corporum suorum. Certe corpus est omne fugiendum? Quantum existimo, responsum est illis, sicut intelligere potastis: sicut ct nos loqui possumus, quantum bora sermonis permittit, quantum vestra capacitas sinit, responsum est eia. Jamvero quid et ipsi dicant de resurrectione corporum quasi acute, ut non eis, sicut arbitrantur, etiam iios respoodere possimus, multum est ut hodie vobis dicam. Sed quia semel promisi vobis, per istos dies istam de resurrectione carnis quaestionem esse versandam, ad ea quæ restant, adjuvante Domino, et aures et corda in crastinum praeparate.
What of the fact that we find the same Plato, the teacher of all these, in a certain book of his which he wrote about the constitution of the world, bringing in God as the maker of the gods, that is, making the heavenly gods, all the stars, the sun and the moon? He says, then, that God is the craftsman of the heavenly gods; he says that the stars themselves have intellectual souls, which understand God, and visible bodies, which are seen. I say this so that you may understand: this sun that you see would not be seen unless it were a body: this is true. No star or moon would be seen unless it were a body: he speaks the truth. That is why the Apostle too says: “There are both heavenly bodies and earthly bodies.” And it goes on: “The glory of the heavenly is one, and that of the earthly another.” And again, speaking of the glory of the heavenly bodies, the Apostle added and said: “The glory of the sun is one, the glory of the moon another, the glory of the stars another. For star differs from star in glory: so also is the resurrection of the dead.” You see that brightness has been promised to the bodies of the saints, and a different kind of brightness, because the merits of love are different. But what do they say? These stars that you see are indeed bodies, but they have their own intellectual souls, and they are gods. Meanwhile, about the bodies, since they are bodies, they speak the truth: but whether they have their own souls, why should I discuss that? Now let us come to the point. God is brought in by Plato himself addressing the gods whom he made of bodily and incorporeal substance, and among other things saying to them: “Since you have come into being, you cannot be immortal and indissoluble.” At this word they could have trembled at once. Why? Because they desired to be immortal and did not want to die. So, to take away their fear, he went on to add: “Yet you will not be dissolved, nor will any fates of death destroy you, nor will they be stronger than my will, which is a greater bond for your perpetuity than those by which you are bound together.” See, God gives security to the gods made by him: he gives them the security of immortality; he gives them security that they will not leave the globes of their bodies. Is all body, then, to be fled? As far as I think, they have been answered, as you could understand: as far as we too can speak, as far as the hour for the sermon permits, as far as your capacity allows, they have been answered. But what they themselves say, as they think, acutely about the resurrection of bodies, so that we may answer them too, it would be a great deal for me to tell you today. But since I have once promised you that this question of the resurrection of the flesh would be dealt with during these days, prepare your ears and hearts for tomorrow for what remains, with the Lord's help.
1 Cor 15:40 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Cor 15:41 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Cor 15:42 (quotation, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: Plato's Timaeus has God promise the star-gods that they will never leave their bodies, which refutes the Platonists' claim that all body must be fled.
- Quotations: 1 Cor 15:40–42; Plato, Timaeus 41a–b (in a Latin version, compare City of God 13.16).
Extrabiblical texts: Plato, Tim. 41a–b (Plato (works); quotation)
Topics: Eschatology, Philosophy, Resurrection of the body
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Serm. 241.8 (PL 38:1116; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-sermones/241-8). (abbreviation not yet checked)
Permanent link: https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-sermones/241-8
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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin of Migne's Patrologia Latina 38 (Maurist text; digital text, Open Greek and Latin; corrections logged). Sermons outside 51–147 have no public-domain English and were re-read against the Latin; sermons 51–147 were compared section by section with NPNF¹ 6 (MacMullen, 1888).