A Plea for the Christians 15

Summary: God is to matter as a potter is to clay; honoring statues made of matter would put the perishable on a level with the eternal God.

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Greek text · Otto 7:66–68

Ἀλλʼ ἔστωσαν τοὺς αὐτοὺς ἄγοντες. Τί οὖν; Ἐπεὶ οἱ πολλοί, διακρῖναι οὐ δυνάμενοι τί μὲν ὕλη τί δὲ θεὸς πόσον δὲ τὸ διὰ μέσου αὐτῶν, προσίασι τοῖς ἀπὸ τῆς ὕλης εἰδώλοις, διʼ ἐκείνους καὶ ἡμεῖς, οἱ διακρίνοντες καὶ χωρίζοντες τὸ ἀγένητον καὶ τὸ γενητόν, τὸ ὂν καὶ τὸ οὐκ ὄν, τὸ νοητὸν καὶ τὸ αἰσθητόν, καὶ ἑκάστῳ αὐτῶν τὸ προσῆκον ὄνομα ἀποδιδόντες, προσελευσόμεθα καὶ προσκυνήσομεν τὰ ἀγάλματα; Εἰ μὲν γὰρ ταὐτὸν ὕλη καὶ θεός, δύο ὀνόματα καθʼ ἑνὸς πράγματος, τοὺς λίθους καὶ τὰ ξύλα, τὸν χρυσὸν καὶ τὸν ἄργυρον οὐ νομίζοντες θεούς, ἀσεβοῦμεν. Εἰ δὲ διεστᾶσι πάμπολυ ἀπʼ ἀλλήλων, καὶ τοσοῦτον ὅσον τεχνίτης καὶ ἡ πρὸς τὴν τέχνην αὐτοῦ παρασκευή, τί ἐγκαλούμεθα; Ὡς γὰρ ὁ κεραμεὺς καὶ ὁ πηλός (ὕλη μὲν ὁ πηλός, τεχνίτης δὲ ὁ κεραμεύς), καὶ ὁ θεὸς δημιουργός, ὑπακούουσα δὲ αὐτῷ ἡ ὕλη πρὸς τὴν τέχνην. Ἀλλʼ ὡς ὁ πηλὸς καθʼ ἑαυτὸν σκεύη γενέσθαι χωρὶς τέχνης ἀδύνατος, καὶ ἡ πανδεχὴς ὕλη ἄνευ τοῦ θεοῦ τοῦ δημιουργοῦ διάκρισιν καὶ σχῆμα καὶ κόσμον οὐκ ἐλάμβανεν. Ὡς δὲ οὐ τὸν κέραμον προτιμότερον τοῦ ἐργασαμένου αὐτὸν ἔχομεν οὐδὲ τὰς φιάλας καὶ χρυσίδας τοῦ χαλκεύσαντος, ἀλλʼ εἴ τι περὶ ἐκείνας δεξιὸν κατὰ τὴν τέχνην τὸν τεχνίτην ἐπαινοῦμεν, καὶ οὗτός ἐστιν ὁ τὴν ἐπὶ τοῖς σκεύεσι δόξαν καρπούμενος, καὶ ἐπὶ τῆς ὕλης καὶ τοῦ θεοῦ τῆς διαθέσεως τῶν κεκοσμημένων οὐχ ὕλη τὴν δόξαν καὶ τὴν τιμὴν δικαίαν ἔχει ἀλλʼ ὁ δημιουργὸς αὐτῆς θεός. Ὥστε, εἰ τὰ εἴδη τῆς ὕλης ἄγοιμεν θεούς, ἀναισθητεῖν τοῦ ὄντος θεοῦ δόξομεν, τὰ λυτὰ καὶ φθαρτὰ τῷ ἀϊδίῳ ἐξισοῦντες.

English · Claude translation

But suppose they do recognize the same gods. What then? Because the many, unable to distinguish what is matter and what is God, and how great the gulf between them is, approach idols made of matter, must we too, for their sake, approach and worship the statues? We who distinguish and separate the uncreated and the created, what is and what is not, the intelligible and the perceptible, and give each its proper name? If matter and God are the same, two names for one thing, then we are impious for not considering stones and wood, gold and silver, to be gods. But if they are very far apart from each other, as far as the craftsman is from the material of his craft, why are we accused? For as the potter is to the clay (the clay is the material, the potter the craftsman), so God is the Creator, and matter obeys him to serve his art. And just as the clay by itself cannot become vessels without art, so matter, which receives all things, would not have received distinction, shape, and order without God the Creator. We do not value the pottery more than the one who made it, nor the bowls and gold vessels more than the smith; if there is anything skillful about them we praise the craftsman, and it is he who reaps the glory for the vessels. So too with matter and God: for the arrangement of what has been ordered it is not matter that deserves the glory and honor, but God its Creator. If, then, we were to hold the forms of matter to be gods, we would seem to have no sense of the true God, putting things that can be dissolved and perish on a level with the eternal.

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Otto 7:66–68 · Johann Carl Theodor Otto, ed., Athenagorae philosophi Atheniensis opera, Corpus apologetarum Christianorum saeculi secundi 7 (Jena: Mauke, 1857) · Greek text: J. C. T. Otto, Athenagorae philosophi Atheniensis opera (Corpus apologetarum Christianorum saeculi secundi 7, 1857), digitized by the Perseus Digital Library and published by the First Thousand Years of Greek project (Open Greek and Latin), CC BY-SA 4.0
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As printed in Otto, CorpApol 7. Manuscript variants and the editor's apparatus are not reproduced; no textual problem is noted in this passage.
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Claude translation (claude-opus-5-5), 2026-09-26 · Translated by Claude from the Greek text of Otto (1857); made independently of existing English translations.
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Ante-Nicene Fathers, vol. 2 (1885) (an older public-domain English translation, whole volume at CCEL; checked against ours only after ours was made)
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Athenagoras, Leg. 15 (trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/athenagoras-legatio/15/).

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Athenagoras, Leg. 15 (trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/athenagoras-legatio/15/).

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