Letters 102.25–103.4
Latin text: Goldbacher, CSEL 34, 44, 57 (Latin text: Alois Goldbacher (CSEL 34, 44, 57, 1895–1911), digitized by Open Greek and Latin (csel-dev, University of Leipzig), CC BY-SA 4.0).English: Claude (claude-opus-5-5), public domain (CC0). Compare: Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers, series 1, vol. 1 (1886).
Chapter 102
102.25CSEL 34.2:566–567
Cum uero dixerit: In qua mensura mensi fueritis, metietur uobis cumque manifestum sit aliud esse mensuram, in qua metitur aliquid, aliud ipsam rem, quae metitur, iam fieri potest, ut, in qua mensura homines mensi essent uerbi gratia modium tritici, in ea illis metirentur milia modiorum, ut et tam multum interesset in quantitate frumenti et nihil in mensura, ut taceam de ipsarum rerum diuersitate, quia non solum fieri potest, ut, in qua mensura quisque mensus fuerit hordeum, in ea illi metiatur triticum, sed in qua mensura mensus fuerit frumentum, in ea illi metiatur aurum et frumenti sit unus modius auri autem quam plurimi. ita cum sine comparatione rerum ipsarum et genus et quantitas differat, dici tamen rectissime potest: In qua mensura mensus est, in ea illi metitum est. unde autem hoc dixerit Christus, paulo superius satis elucet: Nolite, inquit, iudicare, ut non iudicemini; in quo enim iudicio iudicaueritis, iudicabimini. numquid si iniquo iudicio iudicabunt, iniquo iudicabuntur? absit. nulla quippe iniquitas apud deum. sed ita dictum est: In quo iudicio iudicaueritis, in eo iudicabimini, tamquam diceretur: In qua uoluntate benefeceritis, in ipsa liberabimini, uel: In qua uoluntate malefeceritis, in ipsa puniemini, uelut, si quispiam ad turpem concupiscentiam oculis utens excaecari iuberetur, recte utique audiret: In quibus oculis peccasti, in eis supplicium meruisti. iudicio enim quisque animi sui seu bono seu malo utitur uel ad benefaciendum uel ad peccandum. unde non iniquum est, ut, in quo iudicat, in eo iudicetur, hoc est ut in ipso animi sui iudicio poenas luat, cum ea mala patitur, quae male iudicantem animum consequuntur.
But since he said, “With the measure you measure, it will be measured to you”, and it is clear that the measure in which something is measured is one thing and the thing measured another, it can happen that in the measure in which men measured, say, a peck of wheat, thousands of pecks may be measured to them, so that there is a great difference in the quantity of grain and none in the measure; not to mention the difference of the things themselves, since it can happen not only that in the measure in which someone measured barley, wheat is measured to him, but that in the measure in which he measured grain, gold is measured to him, one peck of grain and very many of gold. So, though both kind and quantity differ beyond comparison of the things themselves, it can still be said most correctly: “In the measure in which he measured, in it it was measured to him.” And why Christ said this is quite clear a little earlier: “Judge not,” he says, “that you be not judged; for with the judgment you judge you will be judged.” If they judge with unjust judgment, will they be judged with unjust judgment? Far from it; for there is no injustice with God. But it was said, “With the judgment you judge you will be judged”, as if it were said, “In the will in which you have done good, in it you will be set free”, or, “In the will in which you have done evil, in it you will be punished”; as, if someone who used his eyes for shameful lust were ordered to be blinded, he would rightly hear: “In the eyes in which you sinned, in them you have deserved punishment.” For each uses the judgment of his mind, good or bad, either to do good or to sin. Hence it is not unjust that he be judged in that in which he judges, that is, that he pay the penalty in the very judgment of his mind, when he suffers the evils that follow a mind that judges badly.
Matt 7:2 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 7:1 (quotation, high confidence) · Rom 9:14 (allusion, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: The measure differs from what is measured, and in context Christ means that each will be judged in the very will and judgment by which he acted.
- Quotations: Matt 7:2; Matt 7:1–2; Rom 9:14.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR slip; stray mark in the digital text): > Cum → Cum; metitum eat → metitum est.
Topics: Eschatology
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 102.25 (CSEL 34.2:566–567; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/102-25/#p-102-25).
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102.26CSEL 34.2:567–568
Alia namque sunt manifesta tormenta, quae post futura praeparantur, etiam ipsa ex eodem malae uoluntatis cardine adtracta; in ipso autem animo, ubi appetitus uoluntatis humanorum omnium est mensura factorum, continuo poena sequitur culpam plerumque maior non sentientis caecitate grauiore. ideo cum dixisset: In quo iudicio iudicaueritis, iudicabimini, secutus adiunxit: Et qua mensura mensi fueritis, metietur uobis. in uoluntate quippe propria metietur bonus homo bona facta et in ea metietur ei beatitudo, itemque in uoluntate propria metietur malus homo mala opera et in ea metietur ei miseria, quoniam, ubi quisque bonus est, cum bene uult, ibi etiam malus, cum male uult. ac per hoc ibi etiam fit uel beatus uel miser, hoc est in ipso suae uoluntatis affectu, quae omnium factorum meritorumque mensura est. ex qualitatibus quippe uoluntatum non ex temporum spatiis siue recte facta siue peccata metimur. alioquin maius peccatum haberetur arborem deicere quam hominem occidere; illud enim fit longa mora ictibus multis, hoc uno ictu breuissimo tempore. pro quo tamen exigui temporis tam grandi peccato si perpetua deportatione homo puniretur, etiam mitius cum illo actum, quam dignus fuerat, diceretur, quamuis in spatio temporali longitudo poenae cum breuitate facinoris nullo modo sit comparanda. quid ergo contrarium est, si erunt pariter longa uel etiam pariter aeterna supplicia sed aliis alia mitiora uel acriora, ut, quibus tempus aequale est, non sit aequalis asperitas propter mensuram etiam peccatorum non in productione temporum sed in uoluntate peccantium?
For there are other, manifest torments prepared to come afterwards, they too drawn from the same hinge of the evil will; but in the mind itself, where the desire of the will is the measure of all human deeds, punishment follows guilt at once, often greater in one who does not feel it, by a heavier blindness. Therefore, having said, “With the judgment you judge you will be judged”, he went on to add: “And with the measure you measure, it will be measured to you.” For in his own will the good man will measure good deeds, and in it happiness will be measured to him; and likewise in his own will the bad man will measure evil works, and in it misery will be measured to him; since where each is good, when he wills well, there too he is bad, when he wills badly. And so there too he becomes either happy or miserable, that is, in the very disposition of his will, which is the measure of all deeds and deserts. For we measure right deeds or sins by the qualities of wills, not by lengths of time. Otherwise it would be thought a greater sin to fell a tree than to kill a man; for the one is done over a long time with many blows, the other with one blow in a very short time. Yet if a man were punished with perpetual deportation for so great a sin of so short a time, it would be said that he was treated even more mildly than he deserved, though in temporal duration the length of the punishment can in no way be compared with the brevity of the crime. What contradiction is there, then, if punishments are equally long, or even equally eternal, but some milder and others harsher than others, so that for those whose time is equal the severity is not equal, because the measure of sins too lies not in the extension of times but in the will of the sinners?
Matt 7:2 (quotation, high confidence)
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Summary: Sin is measured by the will, not by duration; so punishments may be equally eternal yet differ in severity.
- Quotation: Matt 7:2.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR slip): sine peccata → siue peccata.
Topics: Eschatology
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 102.26 (CSEL 34.2:567–568; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/102-25/#p-102-26).
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102.27CSEL 34.2:568–569
Voluntas quippe ipsa punitur sine animi supplicio sine corporis, ut, quae delectatur in peccatis, ipsa plectatur in poenis et ut, qui iudicat sine misericordia, sine misericordia iudicetur. et in hac quippe sententia ad hoc solum eadem mensura est, ut, quod non praestitit, non ei praestetur atque ita, quod ipse iudicatur, aeternum erit, quamuis, quod iudicauit, aeternum esse nequiuerit. in eadem igitur mensura quamuis non aeternorum malefactorum aeterna supplicia remetiuntur, ut, quia aeternam uoluit habere peccati perfruitionem, aeternam inueniat uindictae seueritatem. non autem sinit proposita breuitas responsionis meae, ut colligam omnia uel certe quam plurima, quae de peccatis et de peccatorum poenis sancti libri habent, atque ex his unam eruam sine ulla ambiguitate sententiam, si tamen id ualeam uiribus mentis, etiam si congruum nanciscar otium. nunc tamen arbitror satis esse monstratum non esse contrarium aeternitati suppliciorum, quod in eadem mensura redduntur, in qua peccata commissa sunt.
For the will itself is punished, whether by punishment of the mind or of the body, so that the will that delights in sins is itself struck in penalties, and so that “he who judges without mercy will be judged without mercy.” In this saying the measure is the same only in this respect: that what he did not grant is not granted to him; and so his being judged will be eternal, though his judging could not be eternal. In the same measure, therefore, eternal punishments are measured back for evil deeds not eternal, so that, because he wished to have eternal enjoyment of sin, he may find eternal severity of vengeance. But the brevity I have set myself in my reply does not allow me to collect all, or at least very many, of the things the holy books contain about sins and the punishments of sins, and to draw from them one sentence without any ambiguity, if indeed I could do so with the strength of my mind, even if I found suitable leisure. Yet I think it has now been sufficiently shown that it is not contrary to the eternity of punishments that they are rendered in the same measure in which sins were committed.
Jas 2:13 (quotation, high confidence)
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Summary: Eternal punishment answers the sinner's will to enjoy sin eternally, so it is consistent with the saying about measure.
- Quotation: Jas 2:13. The doctrine of eternal punishment is translated exactly as written.
Topics: Eschatology
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 102.27 (CSEL 34.2:568–569; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/102-25/#p-102-27).
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102.28CSEL 34.2:569
V. DE FILIO DEI SECUNDUM SALOMONEM. Post hanc quaestionem, qui eas ex Porphyrio proposuit, hoc adiunxit: "Sane etiam de illo", inquit, me dignaberis instruere, si uere dixit Salomon: Filium deus non habet.
V. On the Son of God according to Solomon. After this question, he who put them forward from Porphyry added this: “Please also instruct me about this: whether Solomon truly said, ‘God has no son.’”
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Summary: The fifth question asks whether Solomon said that God has no son.
- The saying “God has no son” is not found in Solomon's books; Augustine answers accordingly.
Topics: Christology
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 102.28 (CSEL 34.2:569; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/102-25/#p-102-28).
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102.29CSEL 34.2:569–570
Cito respondetur: Non solum hoc non dixit, uerum etiam dixit, quod deus habeat filium. apud eum enim sapientia loquens ait: Ante omnes colles genuit me. et quid est Christus nisi dei sapientia? item quodam loco prouerbiorum: Deus, inquit, docuit me sapientiam et scientiam sanctorum cognoui. quis ascendit in caelum et descendit? quis colligit uentos in sinu? quis conuertit aquam in uestimento? quis tenuit fines terrae? quod nomen est ei aut quod nomen est filii eius? horum duorum, quae in extremo commemoraui, unum rettulit ad patrem, id est quod nomen est ei propter quod dixerat deus docuit me sapientiam, et alterum euidenter ad filium, cum ait aut quod nomen est filii eius, propter cetera, quae de filio magis intelleguntur, hoc est quis ascendit in caelum et descendit, quod Paulus ita commemorat: Qui descendit, ipse est, et qui ascendit super omnes caelos; quis colligit uentos in sinum? id est animas credentium in occultum atque secretum, quibus dicitur: Mortui enim estis et uita uestra abscondita est cum Christo in deo; quis conuertit aquam in uestimento? ut dici posset: Quotquot in Christo baptizati estis, Christum induistis; quis tenuit fines terrae? qui dixit discipulis suis: Eritis mihi testes in Hierusalem et in tota Iudaea et Samaria et usque in fines terrae.
The answer is quick: not only did he not say this, but he even said that God has a son. For in his book Wisdom speaks and says: “Before all the hills he begot me.” And what is Christ but the Wisdom of God? Again, in a certain place of the Proverbs he says: “God taught me wisdom, and I have known the knowledge of the holy. Who has ascended into heaven and descended? Who has gathered the winds in his bosom? Who has turned water into a garment? Who has held the ends of the earth? What is his name, or what is the name of his son?” Of these two things I mentioned last, he referred one to the Father, namely, “what is his name”, because he had said, “God taught me wisdom”; and the other plainly to the Son, when he says, “or what is the name of his son”, because of the other things, which are understood rather of the Son: that is, “Who has ascended into heaven and descended?”, which Paul recalls thus: “He who descended is the same as he who ascended above all the heavens”; “Who has gathered the winds into his bosom?”, that is, the souls of believers into a hidden and secret place, to whom it is said, “For you have died, and your life is hidden with Christ in God”; “Who has turned water into a garment?”, so that it could be said, “As many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ”; “Who has held the ends of the earth?”, he who said to his disciples, “You will be my witnesses in Jerusalem and in all Judea and Samaria and to the ends of the earth.”
Prov 8:25 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Cor 1:24 (allusion, high confidence) · Prov 30:3 (quotation, high confidence) · Prov 30:4 (quotation, high confidence) · Eph 4:10 (quotation, high confidence) · Col 3:3 (quotation, high confidence) · Gal 3:27 (quotation, high confidence) · Acts 1:8 (quotation, high confidence)
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Summary: Solomon did not deny that God has a son but spoke of him, as in Proverbs 8 and 30, which Augustine reads of Christ.
- Quotations: Prov 8:25; 1 Cor 1:24; Prov 30:3–4 (Old Latin form); Eph 4:10; Col 3:3; Gal 3:27; Acts 1:8. The Christological reading of Proverbs is Augustine's; translated as written.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR slip; leaked line number; stray full stop in the digital text): sapientiam., → sapientiam,; filii ius → filii eius; quod 20 Paulus → quod Paulus.
Topics: Christology
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 102.29 (CSEL 34.2:569–570; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/102-25/#p-102-29).
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102.30CSEL 34.2:570
VI. DE IONA PROPHETA. Postrema quaestio proposita est de Iona nec ipsa quasi ex Porphyrio sed tamquam ex inrisione paganorum; sic enim posita est: Deinde quid sentire, inquit, debemus de Iona, qui dicitur in uentre ceti triduo fuisse? quod satis ἀπίθανον est et incredibile transuoratum cum ueste hominem fuisse in corde piscis; aut si figura est, hanc dignaberis pandere. deinde quid sibi etiam illud uult supra euomitum Ionam cucurbitam natam? quid causae fuit, ut haec nasceretur? hoc enim genus quaestionis multo cachinno a paganis grauiter inrisum animaduerti.»
VI. On the prophet Jonah. The last question proposed was about Jonah, and not as if from Porphyry but as from the mockery of the pagans; for it was put thus: “Then what are we to think,” he says, “of Jonah, who is said to have been three days in the belly of a whale? It is quite implausible (apithanon) and incredible that a man swallowed with his clothes should have been inside a fish. Or, if it is a figure, please explain it. Then, what is the meaning of the gourd that sprang up above Jonah after he was vomited out? What was the reason for its springing up?” For I have noticed that this kind of question is greatly mocked by the pagans with much laughter.
Jonah 1:17 (2:1 LXX) (allusion, high confidence) · Jonah 4:6 (allusion, high confidence)
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Summary: The sixth question, from pagan mockery, asks how Jonah survived in the whale and what the gourd meant.
- The Greek word ἀπίθανον (“implausible”) is in the original. References: Jonah 1:17 (2:1 LXX and Hebrew); Jonah 4:6.
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 102.30 (CSEL 34.2:570; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/102-25/#p-102-30).
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102.31CSEL 34.2:570–572
Ad hoc respondetur, quod aut omnia diuina miracula credenda non sint aut, hoc cur non credatur, causa nulla sit. in ipsum autem Christum, quod tertio die resurrexerit, non crederemus, si fides Christianorum cachinnum metueret paganorum. cum autem hinc quaestionem non proposuerit amicus noster, utrum credendum sit uel Lazarum quarto die resuscitatum esse uel ipsum Christum tertio die resurrexisse, multum miror hoc, quod factum est de Iona, eum pro incredibili posuisse, nisi forte facilius putat mortuum de sepulcro resuscitari quam uiuum in tam uasto uentre beluae potuisse seruari. ut enim omittam commemorare, quanta magnitudo beluarum marinarum ab eis, qui experti sunt, indicetur, uenter, quem costae illae muniebant, quae Carthagine in publico fixae populo notae sunt, quot homines in spatio suo capere posset, quis non coniciat? quanto hiatu patebat os illud, quod uelut ianua speluncae illius fuit! nisi forte, ut posuit, uestis esset impedimento, ne Ionas uorari posset inlaesus, quasi per angusta sese coartauerit, qui per abruptum aeris praecipitatus sic exceptus est, ut prius reciperetur uentre bestiae, quam dente laceraretur. quamquam scriptura neque nudum neque uestitum in illud antrum deiectum esse dixerit, ut possit intellegi illuc etiam nudus inruisse, si forte opus erat tamquam ouo conum ita illi uestem detrahi, quo facilius sorberetur. sic enim sunt homines de prophetae huius ueste solliciti, quasi aut per fenestram paruam repsisse aut in balneas intrasse dicatur, quo etiam si necesse esset intrare uestitum, uix molestum esset, non tamen mirum.
To this the answer is that either all divine miracles are not to be believed, or there is no reason why this one should not be believed. We would not believe in Christ himself, that he rose on the third day, if the faith of Christians feared the laughter of pagans. But since our friend did not put the question whether it is to be believed that Lazarus was raised on the fourth day, or that Christ himself rose on the third, I wonder greatly that he put forward as incredible what happened to Jonah; unless perhaps he thinks it easier for a dead man to be raised from the tomb than for a living man to be preserved in so vast a belly of a sea monster. For, to omit mentioning how great a size of sea monsters is reported by those who have seen them, who would not guess how many men that belly could hold in its space, protected by those ribs which are set up in public at Carthage and known to the people? How wide a gape that mouth must have opened, which was like the door of that cave! Unless perhaps, as he put it, the clothing was an obstacle to Jonah's being swallowed unharmed, as though he had squeezed himself through a narrow place, he who, thrown headlong through the air, was so received that he was taken into the beast's belly before he could be torn by its teeth. And yet Scripture did not say whether he was cast into that cavern naked or clothed, so that it can be understood that he rushed in even naked, if perhaps it was necessary that his clothing be stripped off him like a shell from an egg, so that he might be swallowed more easily. For men are as anxious about this prophet's clothing as if he were said to have crept through a small window or entered the baths; where, even if he had to enter clothed, it would be barely inconvenient, and certainly not a marvel.
John 11:39 (allusion, medium confidence) · Jonah 1:15 (allusion, high confidence)
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Summary: Jonah's preservation is no harder to believe than the resurrection; the monster's size, attested by ribs displayed at Carthage, made it possible, clothes or no clothes.
- The phrase “tamquam ouo conum” is unclear in the digital text; translated by sense (“like a shell from an egg”). References: John 11:39; Jonah 1:15–17.
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 102.31 (CSEL 34.2:570–572; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/102-25/#p-102-31).
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102.32CSEL 34.2:572
Sed habent re uera, quod non credant in diuino miraculo uaporem uentris, quo cibi madescunt, potuisse ita temperari, ut uitam hominis conseruaret. quanto incredibilius ergo proponerent tres illos uiros ab impio rege in caminum missos deambulasse in medio ignis inlaesos! quapropter si nulla isti diuina miracula uolunt credere, alia disputatione refellendi sunt. neque enim debent unum aliquid tamquam incredibile proponere et in quaestionem uocare sed omnia, quae uel talia uel etiam mirabiliora narrantur. et tamen si hoc, quod de Iona scriptum est, Apuleius Madaurensis uel Apollonius Tyaneus fecisse diceretur, quorum multa mira nullo fideli auctore iactitant, quamuis et daemones nonnulla faciant angelis sanctis similia non ueritate sed specie, non sapientia sed plane fallacia, tamen, si de istis, ut dixi, quos magos uel philosophos laudabiliter nominant, tale aliquid narraretur, non iam in buccis creparet risus sed typhus. ita rideant scripturas nostras; quantum possunt, rideant, dum per singulos dies rariores paucioresque se uideant uel moriendo uel credendo, dum implentur omnia, quae praedixerunt, qui hos contra ueritatem inaniter pugnaturos, uane latraturos, paulatim defecturos tanto ante riserunt nobisque posteris suis non solum ea legenda dimiserunt, uerum experienda promiserunt.
But they really have grounds for not believing that, by a divine miracle, the heat of the belly, by which food is softened, could be so tempered as to preserve a man's life! How much more incredible, then, would they find it that those three men, thrown into the furnace by the ungodly king, walked about unharmed in the midst of the fire! Therefore, if they will believe no divine miracles at all, they must be refuted by another discussion. For they ought not to put forward one thing as incredible and question it, but all things that are narrated, whether of this kind or even more marvellous. And yet, if what is written of Jonah were said to have been done by Apuleius of Madauros or Apollonius of Tyana, of whom they boast many marvels with no trustworthy authority (though demons too do some things like the holy angels, not in truth but in appearance, not by wisdom but plainly by deceit), still, if something of the kind were told, as I said, of these men whom they praise by calling them magicians or philosophers, it would no longer be laughter but pride that puffed their cheeks. So let them laugh at our Scriptures; let them laugh as much as they can, while day by day they see themselves becoming rarer and fewer, either by dying or by believing, while all those things are being fulfilled which were foretold by those who so long ago laughed at these people who would fight vainly against the truth, bark idly and gradually fail, and who left them to us their descendants not only to be read but promised that we would experience them.
Dan 3:25 (allusion, high confidence)
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Summary: Those who reject this miracle must reject all, including the three men in the furnace; pagans would admire it if told of Apuleius or Apollonius.
- References: Dan 3:24–25. Apollonius of Tyana was a first-century Pythagorean wonder-worker whom pagan writers compared with Christ.
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 102.32 (CSEL 34.2:572; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/102-25/#p-102-32).
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102.33CSEL 34.2:572–573
Non sane absurde neque importune requiritur, quid ista significent, ut, cum hoc expositum fuerit, non tantum gesta sed etiam propter aliquam significationem conscripta esse credantur. prius ergo non dubitet Ionam prophetam in aluo ingenti marinae beluae triduo fuisse, qui uult scrutari, cur hoc factum sit; non enim frustra factum est, sed tamen factum est. si enim mouent ad fidem, quae figurate tantum dicta, non facta sunt, quanto magis mouere debent, quae figurate non tantum dicta sed facta sunt! nam sicut humana consuetudo uerbis ita diuina potentia etiam factis loquitur et, sicut sermoni humano uerba noua uel minus usitata moderate ac decenter aspersa splendorem addunt, ita in factis mirabilibus congruenter aliquid significantibus quodam modo luculentior est diuina eloquentia.
It is not at all absurd or out of place to ask what these things signify, so that, when this has been explained, they may be believed to have been not only done but also written for the sake of some meaning. First, then, let him who wishes to examine why it was done not doubt that the prophet Jonah was three days in the huge belly of a sea monster; for it was not done in vain, but it was done. For if things said only figuratively, not done, move us to faith, how much more ought those to move us which were not only said figuratively but done! For as human custom speaks by words, so divine power speaks also by deeds; and as new or less used words, sprinkled moderately and fittingly, add splendour to human speech, so in marvellous deeds that fittingly signify something the divine eloquence is in a way more brilliant.
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Summary: One may ask what Jonah's story signifies, but first believe it happened; God speaks by deeds as well as words.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (stray full stop in the digital text): prius. ergo → prius ergo.
Topics: Scripture and canon
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 102.33 (CSEL 34.2:572–573; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/102-25/#p-102-33).
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102.34CSEL 34.2:573–574
Proinde quid praefigurauerit, quod prophetam belua illa deuoratum tertio die uiuum reddidit, cur a nobis quaeritur, cum hoc Christus exponat? generatio, inquit, praua et adultera signum quaerit et signum non dabitur ei nisi signum Ionae prophetae; sicut enim Ionas fuit in uentre ceti tribus diebus et tribus noctibus, sic erit filius hominis in corde terrae tribus diebus et tribus noctibus. de ipso autem triduo mortis domini Christi quo modo ratio reddatur, cum a parte totum intellegitur in die primo et nouissimo, ut toti tres dies, id est cum suis noctibus computentur, longum est disserere et in aliis sermonibus iam saepissime dictum est. sicut ergo Ionas ex naui in aluum ceti ita Christus ex ligno in sepulcrum uel in mortis profundum et sicut ille pro his, qui tempestate periclitabantur, ita Christus pro his, qui in hoc saeculo fluctuant, et sicut primo iussum est, ut praedicaretur Nineuitis a Iona, sed non ad eos peruenit prophetia Ionae, nisi posteaquam eum cetus euomuit, ita prophetia praemissa est ad gentes, sed nisi post resurrectionem Christi non peruenit ad gentes.
Why, then, do they ask us what it prefigured that the monster which swallowed the prophet gave him back alive on the third day, when Christ explains it? “An evil and adulterous generation,” he says, “seeks a sign, and no sign will be given it except the sign of the prophet Jonah; for as Jonah was in the belly of the whale three days and three nights, so will the Son of Man be in the heart of the earth three days and three nights.” How an account is to be given of the three days of the death of the Lord Christ, since the whole is understood from a part in the first and last day, so that three whole days, that is, with their nights, are counted, would take long to discuss, and has already been said very often in other discourses. As, then, Jonah passed from the ship into the belly of the whale, so Christ from the tree into the tomb or into the depth of death; and as Jonah for those in danger in the storm, so Christ for those tossed on the waves of this world; and as Jonah was first commanded to preach to the Ninevites, but the prophecy of Jonah did not reach them until after the whale vomited him out, so prophecy was sent ahead to the Gentiles, but did not reach the Gentiles until after the resurrection of Christ.
Matt 12:39 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 12:40 (quotation, high confidence) · Jonah 1:15 (allusion, high confidence) · Jonah 2:10 (allusion, high confidence) · Jonah 3:2 (allusion, high confidence)
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Summary: Christ himself explained Jonah's three days as a sign of his death and resurrection, after which the message reached the Gentiles as Jonah's reached Nineveh.
- Quotation: Matt 12:39–40. References: Jonah 1:2, 15; Jonah 2:10; Jonah 3:2–4.
Topics: Christology
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 102.34 (CSEL 34.2:573–574; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/102-25/#p-102-34).
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102.35CSEL 34.2:574–575
Iam uero quod tabernaculum sibi constituit et consedit ex aduerso ciuitatis Nineue, quid ei futurum esset, expectans, alterius significationis personam propheta gestabat. praefigurabat enim carnalem populum Israhel. nam huic erat et tristitia de salute Nineuitarum, hoc est de redemptione et liberatione gentium. unde uenit Christus uocare non iustos sed peccatores in paenitentiam. umbraculum ergo cucurbitae super caput eius promissiones erant ueteris testamenti uel ipsa iam munera, in quibus erat utique, sicut dicit apostolus, umbra futurorum tamquam ab aestu temporalium malorum in terra promissionis defensaculum praebens. uermis autem matutinus, quo rodente cucurbita exaruit, idem ipse rursus Christus occurrit, ex cuius ore euangelio diffamato cuncta illa, quae temporaliter apud Israhelitas uelut umbratili prius significatione uiguerunt, euacuata marcescunt. et nunc ille populus amisso Hierosolymitano regno et sacerdotio et sacrificio, quod totum umbra erat futuri, in captiua dispersione magno aestu tribulationis aduritur, sicut Ionas, quod scriptum est, a solis ardore et dolet grauiter et tamen dolori eius atque umbrae, quam diligebat, salus gentium paenitentiumque praeponitur.
Now, in setting up a booth for himself and sitting opposite the city of Nineveh, waiting to see what would happen to it, the prophet bore the person of another meaning. For he prefigured the carnal people of Israel. For they too were sad at the salvation of the Ninevites, that is, at the redemption and liberation of the Gentiles; whence Christ came to call not the righteous but sinners to repentance. The shade of the gourd over his head, then, was the promises of the Old Testament, or the gifts themselves already given, in which, as the apostle says, there was “a shadow of things to come”, offering protection from the heat of temporal evils in the land of promise. But the morning worm, by whose gnawing the gourd withered, again turns out to be Christ himself, from whose mouth the Gospel was spread abroad, and all those things which flourished temporally among the Israelites with a shadowy meaning before are emptied and wither. And now that people, having lost the kingdom of Jerusalem and the priesthood and the sacrifice, all of which was a shadow of what was to come, is scorched in captive dispersion by a great heat of tribulation, like Jonah, as it is written, by the heat of the sun, and grieves heavily; and yet the salvation of the Gentiles and the penitent is preferred to its grief and to the shade it loved.
Jonah 4:5 (allusion, high confidence) · Jonah 4:7 (allusion, high confidence) · Jonah 4:8 (allusion, high confidence) · Matt 9:13 (quotation, high confidence) · Col 2:17 (quotation, high confidence)
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Summary: Augustine reads Jonah under the gourd as carnal Israel, the gourd as the Old Testament promises, and the worm that withered it as Christ.
- The allegorical reading of Israel's dispersion is Augustine's; translated exactly as written, with a neutral note. References: Jonah 4:5–8; Matt 9:13; Col 2:17; Heb 10:1.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (word split by a leaked line number in the digital text): praefi- to gurabat → praefigurabat.
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 102.35 (CSEL 34.2:574–575; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/102-25/#p-102-35).
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102.36CSEL 34.2:575–576
Adhuc cachinnent pagani et iam uermem Christum et hanc interpretationem prophetici sacramenti superbiore garrulitate derideant, dum tamen et ipsos sensim paulatimque consumat. nam de omnibus talibus Esaias prophetat, per quem nobis dicit deus: Audite me, qui scitis iudicium, populus meus, in quorum corde lex mea est. opprobria hominum nolite metuere et detractione eorum ne superemini nec, quod uos spernant, magni duxeritis. sicut enim uestimentum ita per tempus absumentur et sicut lana a tinea comedentur; iustitia autem mea in aeternum manet. nos ergo agnoscamus uermem matutinum, quia et in illo psalmo, cuius titulus inscribitur: Pro susceptione matutina, hoc se ipse nomine appellare dignatus est: Ego, inquit, sum uermis et non homo, opprobrium hominum et abiectio plebis. hoc opprobrium de illis opprobriis est, quae iubemur non metuere per Esaiam dicentem: Opprobria hominum nolite metuere. ab isto uermi tamquam a tinea comeduntur, qui sub eius dente euangelico per singulos dies paucitatem suam deficiendo mirantur. nos hunc agnoscamus et pro salute diuina humana opprobria sufferamus. uermis est propter humilitatem carnis, fortassis etiam propter uirginis partum; nam hoc animal plerumque de carne uel de quaque re terrena sine ullo concubitu nascitur. matutinus est, quia diluculo resurrexit. poterat utique illa cucurbita et sine ullo uermiculo arescere. postremo si habebat deus ad hoc uermem necessarium, quid opus erat addere matutinum, nisi ut ille uermis agnosceretur, qui cantat pro susceptione matutina: Ego autem sum uermis et non homo?
Let the pagans laugh still, and with prouder chatter deride Christ as a worm and this interpretation of the prophetic mystery, provided he consumes them too, slowly and little by little. For Isaiah prophesies about all such, through whom God says to us: “Hear me, you who know judgment, my people, in whose heart is my law. Do not fear the reproaches of men, and do not be overcome by their slander, nor think it a great thing that they despise you. For like a garment they will be consumed in time, and like wool they will be eaten by the moth; but my righteousness remains for ever.” Let us, then, recognize the morning worm, for in that psalm whose title is inscribed “For the morning help”, he deigned to call himself by this name: “I am a worm,” he says, “and not a man, a reproach of men and despised by the people.” This reproach is one of those reproaches which we are commanded not to fear through Isaiah, saying: “Do not fear the reproaches of men.” By this worm, as by a moth, those are eaten who under his Gospel tooth marvel day by day at their fewness as they dwindle. Let us recognize him and for divine salvation endure human reproaches. He is a worm because of the lowliness of the flesh, perhaps also because of the virgin birth; for this animal is usually born from flesh or from some earthly thing without any mating. He is a morning worm because he rose at dawn. The gourd could surely have withered without any little worm. Finally, if God needed a worm for this, what need was there to add “morning”, except that that worm might be recognized who sings “for the morning help”: “But I am a worm and not a man”?
Isa 51:7 (quotation, high confidence) · Isa 51:8 (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 22:1 (21:1 LXX) (allusion, medium confidence) · Ps 22:6 (21:7 LXX) (quotation, high confidence) · Jonah 4:7 (allusion, high confidence)
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Summary: The “morning worm” is Christ, who calls himself a worm in Psalm 22 and rose at dawn; let the pagans laugh, for they are being consumed.
- Quotations: Isa 51:7–8; Ps 22:6 (21:7 LXX), with the Old Latin psalm title (Ps 22:1 heading, 21:1 LXX “for the morning help”). The belief that worms are generated without mating is the natural science of the time, reported as given.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (stray full stop in the digital text): dies. paucitatem → dies paucitatem.
Topics: Christology
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 102.36 (CSEL 34.2:575–576; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/102-25/#p-102-36).
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102.37CSEL 34.2:576–577
Quid ista prophetia iam ipso rerum effectu et adimpletione lucidius? neque enim si inrisus est uermis iste, cum penderet in cruce, sicut in eodem psalmo scriptum est: Locuti sunt labiis et mouerunt caput: Sperauit in deum, eruat eum; saluum faciat eum, quoniam uult eum), cum completa sunt, quae ibi praedixit: Foderunt manus meas et pedes, dinumerauerunt omnia ossa mea; ipsi uero considerauerunt et conspexerunt me, diuiserunt sibi uestimenta mea et super uestem meam miserunt sortem, quod tanta manifestatione futurum in libro antiquo prophetatur, quanta manifestatione factum in nouo euangelio recitatur, — sed si in hac humilitate, ut dicere coeperam, iste uermis inrisus est, numquid adhuc inridendus est, cum ea compleri cernimus, quae consequentia psalmus ipse habet: Commemorabuntur et conuertentur ad dominum uniuersi fines terrae et adorabunt in conspectu eius uniuersae patriae gentium, quoniam domini est regnum et ipse dominabitur gentium? sic commemorati sunt Nineuitae et conuersi sunt ad dominum. hanc salutem paenitentiae gentium tanto ante praefiguratam in Iona dolebat Israhel, sicut nunc dolet umbra nudatus et aestu sauciatus. liceat sane cuilibet quamlibet aliter dum tamen secundum regulam fidei cetera omnia, quae de Iona propheta mysteriis operta sunt, aperire; illud plane, quod in uentre ceti triduo fuit, fas non est aliter intellegere, quam ab ipso caelesti magistro in euangelio commemorauimus reuelatum.
What is clearer than this prophecy, now that it is fulfilled in the very event? For if this worm was mocked when he hung on the cross, as is written in the same psalm, “They spoke with their lips and shook their heads: He hoped in God, let him rescue him; let him save him, since he delights in him”, when those things were fulfilled which he foretold there, “They pierced my hands and feet, they numbered all my bones; they looked and stared at me, they divided my garments among them and cast lots for my clothing”, which is prophesied in the ancient book as going to happen with as much clarity as it is read in the new Gospel as having happened; but if, as I had begun to say, this worm was mocked in this lowliness, is he still to be mocked, when we see fulfilled what the psalm itself contains next: “All the ends of the earth shall remember and turn to the Lord, and all the families of the nations shall worship before him, for the kingdom is the Lord's and he shall rule over the nations”? So the Ninevites remembered and turned to the Lord. This salvation through the repentance of the Gentiles, prefigured so long before in Jonah, Israel grieved over, as it now grieves, stripped of its shade and wounded by the heat. Let anyone indeed explain in any other way he likes, provided it is according to the rule of faith, all the other things about the prophet Jonah that are covered with mysteries; but that he was three days in the belly of the whale may not rightly be understood otherwise than as we have recalled it revealed in the Gospel by the heavenly Master himself.
Ps 22:7 (21:8 LXX) (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 22:8 (21:9 LXX) (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 22:16 (21:17 LXX) (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 22:17 (21:18 LXX) (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 22:18 (21:19 LXX) (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 22:27 (21:28 LXX) (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 22:28 (21:29 LXX) (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 27:35 (allusion, medium confidence) · Jonah 3:5 (allusion, high confidence)
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Summary: Psalm 22's prophecy of the mocked worm and of the nations' conversion is fulfilled; other details of Jonah may be variously explained, but the three days must be read as Christ taught.
- Quotations: Ps 22:7–8, 16–18, 27–28 (21:8–9, 17–19, 28–29 LXX). References: Matt 27:35, 39; Jonah 3:5.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (stray comma in the digital text): , Quid → Quid.
Topics: Christology, Scripture and canon
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 102.37 (CSEL 34.2:576–577; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/102-25/#p-102-37).
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102.38CSEL 34.2:577–578
Proposita exposuimus, ut potuimus; sed ille, qui proposuit, iam sit Christianus, ne forte, cum expectat ante librorum sanctorum finire quaestiones, prius finiat istam uitam, quam transeat a morte ad uitam. fieri enim potest, quod ante, quam Christianis sacramentis inbuatur, quaerit de resurrectione mortuorum; concedendum etiam fortassis, quod de Christo quaesiuit, cur tanto post uenerit uel si quae sunt aliae paucae et magnae quaestiones, quibus cetera inseruiunt. si autem qualis est illa: In qua mensura mensi fueritis. metietur uobis, uel qualis ista de Iona, etiam tales omnes ante, quam sit Christianus, finire cogitat, perparum cogitat uel condicionem humanam uel aetatem iam suam. sunt enim innumerabiles, quae non sunt finiendae ante fidem, ne finiatur uita sine fide, sed plane retenta iam fide ad exercendam piam delectationem mentium fidelium studiosissime requirendae et, quod in eis eluxerit, sine typho arrogantiae communicandum, quod autem latuerit, sine salutis dispendio tolerandum.
We have explained the questions put forward as best we could; but let him who put them now become a Christian, lest, while he waits first to settle the questions of the holy books, he end this life before he passes from death to life. For it is reasonable that, before being imbued with the Christian sacraments, he should ask about the resurrection of the dead; it may perhaps also be allowed that he asked about Christ, why he came so late, or if there are some other few and great questions which all the rest serve. But if he intends to settle all such questions as “With the measure you measure, it will be measured to you”, or this one about Jonah, before he becomes a Christian, he gives very little thought either to the human condition or to his own age. For there are countless questions which are not to be settled before faith, lest life end without faith; but once faith is held, they are to be investigated most zealously for the exercise of the devout delight of faithful minds; and what has become clear in them is to be shared without the conceit of arrogance, and what has remained hidden is to be borne without loss to salvation.
John 5:24 (allusion, high confidence)
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Summary: Augustine urges the questioner to become a Christian now rather than wait until every question is settled, lest he die without faith.
- Reference: John 5:24.
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 102.38 (CSEL 34.2:577–578; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/102-25/#p-102-38).
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Chapter 103
103.1CSEL 34.2:578–579
Sumptis litteris eximietatis tuae, quibus idolorum cultum et templorum caeremonias destruxisti, audire mihi uisus sum philosophi uocem non illius, quem in Academiae Lycio memorant tenebrosis humo angulis residentem, ex profunda quadam cogitatione demersum, reductis ad frontem caput implicitum genibus, ut aliorum praeclara inuenta doctrinae egenus quidam calumniator oppugnet adsertaque praeclare, cum suum nihil defendat, accuset, sed plane excitatus oratione tua ante oculos stetit M. Tullius consularis, qui innumeris ciuium capitibus conseruatis forensis campi signa uictricia stupentibus Graeciae scholis laureatus inferret tubamque illam canorae uocis et linguae, quam in criminum reos et rei publicae parricidas spiritu iustae indignationis flauerat anhelus, inuerteret togamque ipsam rugarum paginis resolutis palliorum imitatus speciem retorqueret.
On taking up your Excellency's letter, in which you demolished the worship of idols and the ceremonies of temples, I seemed to hear the voice of a philosopher; not of that one whom they record as sitting in the dark corners of the ground in the Lyceum of the Academy, sunk in some deep thought, his head wrapped up and drawn down to his knees, so that, poor in learning of his own, as a kind of slanderer he might attack the brilliant discoveries of others and accuse what was brilliantly asserted, while defending nothing of his own; but, plainly, roused by your speech, there stood before my eyes the consular Marcus Tullius, who, having saved the lives of countless citizens, crowned with laurel, carried the victorious standards of the forum into the astonished schools of Greece, and turned round that trumpet of his resonant voice and tongue, which he had blown breathlessly with the spirit of just indignation against criminals and parricides of the commonwealth, and, loosening the folds of his toga, twisted it back into the likeness of the philosopher's cloak.
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Summary: Nectarius, a pagan of Calama, writing to Augustine, compares Augustine's letter to the eloquence of Cicero turned philosopher.
- The letter is from Nectarius, a pagan notable of Calama, to Augustine (409), pleading for his fellow citizens after a pagan riot in which the church at Calama was burned (June 408). Marcus Tullius is Cicero. The philosopher in the dark corners is evidently a sceptic of the Academy; the text's “Academiae Lycio” mixes the Academy and the Lyceum.
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 103.1 (CSEL 34.2:578–579; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/102-25/#p-103-1).
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103.2CSEL 34.2:579–580
Ergo cum nos ad exsuperantissimi dei cultum religionemque compelleres, libenter audiui; quam caelestem patriam intuendam esse suaderes, gratanter accepi. non enim illam mihi ciuitatem dicere uidebare, quam muralis aliquis gyrus cohercet, nec illam, quam philosophorum tractatus mundanam memorans communem omnibus profitetur, sed quam magnus deus et uere meritae in ea animae habitant atque incolunt, quam omnes leges diuersis uiis et tramitibus appetunt, quam loquendo exprimere non possumus, cogitando forsitan inuenire possimus. haec ergo licet principaliter appetenda atque diligenda sit, tamen illam non arbitror deserendam, in qua nati et geniti sumus, quae prima nobis usum lucis huius infudit, quae aluit, quae educauit et, ut, quod ad causam proprie pertinet, dicam, de qua bene meritis uiris doctissimi homines ferunt post obitum corporis in caelo domicilium praeparari, ut promotio quaedam ad supernam praestetur his hominibus, qui bene de genitalibus urbibus meruerunt, et hi magis cum deo habitent, qui salutem dedisse aut consiliis aut operibus patriae doceantur. iam illud, quod ioculariter dignatus es dicere urbem nostram non armis sed flammis incendiisque flagrare et spinas magis ingenerare quam flores, non est maxima reprehensio, cum sciamus flores ex spinis plerumque generari. nam et rosas ex spinis gigni quis dubitat et fruges ipsas aristarum uallo sepiri? ita et asperis suauia plerumque miscentur.
So, when you urged us toward the worship and religion of the most exalted God, I heard it gladly; when you persuaded us to contemplate the heavenly fatherland, I received it with thanks. For you did not seem to me to speak of that city which some circuit of walls encloses, nor of that which philosophers' treatises, calling it the world-city, declare common to all, but of that in which the great God and souls that have truly deserved it dwell and live, which all laws seek by different ways and paths, which we cannot express in speaking but may perhaps find in thinking. Though this is to be sought and loved first of all, yet I do not think we should desert that city in which we were born and begotten, which first poured into us the enjoyment of this light, which nourished us, which brought us up, and, to say what properly belongs to the case, about which most learned men say that for men who have deserved well of it a dwelling is prepared in heaven after the death of the body, so that a kind of promotion to the city above is given to those men who have deserved well of the cities of their birth, and those dwell more with God who are shown to have brought safety to their fatherland by counsel or by deeds. As for what you deigned to say jestingly, that our city is burning not with arms but with flames and fires, and produces thorns rather than flowers, it is not the greatest reproach, since we know that flowers are very often produced from thorns. For who doubts that roses spring from thorns, and that the very crops are fenced with a palisade of beards? So sweet things are very often mixed with harsh.
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Summary: Nectarius welcomes Augustine's call to the heavenly city but argues that the earthly fatherland must not be deserted, since those who serve it are rewarded in heaven.
- The idea that those who served their fatherland have a dwelling prepared in heaven is from Cicero, Republic 6.13 (Dream of Scipio). “All laws seek it by different ways and paths” is Nectarius's own phrase, discussed by Augustine in Ep. 104.12.
Extrabiblical texts: Cicero, Rep. 6.13 (Cicero; allusion)
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 103.2 (CSEL 34.2:579–580; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/102-25/#p-103-2).
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Translation: Translated by Claude (Opus) from the Latin of Goldbacher (CSEL 34, 44, 57; 1895–1911); each batch compared afterwards with the public-domain translation of J. G. Cunningham in NPNF¹ 1 (1886) where it exists; letters it lacks or summarizes were re-read against the Latin.
103.3CSEL 34.2:580–581
Postremum fuit in litteris praestantiae tuae non caput aut sanguinem in ecclesiae postulari uindicta, sed rebus quibus maxime metuunt spoliandos. ego autem, nisi me opinio fallit, sic arbitror grauius esse spoliari facultatibus quam occidi, si quidem, quod frequentatum in litteris nosti, mors malorum omnium auferat sensum, egestosa uita aeternam pariat calamitatem; grauius est enim male uiuere quam mala morte finire. hoc etiam operae uestrae indicat ratio, in quibus pauperes sustinetis, morbidos curatione releuatis, medicinam afflictis corporibus adhibetis, id postremo modis omnibus agitis, ut diuturnitatem calamitatis addicti non sentiant. quod autem ad modum pertinet peccatorum, nihil interest, quale uideatur esse peccatum, cui indulgentia postulatur. primum enim, si paenitentia et ueniam tribuit et purgat admissum, paenitet utique illum, qui rogat, qui pedes complectitur, et, si, ut quibusdam philosophis placet, omnia peccata paria sunt, indulgentia omnibus debet esse communis. petulantius locutus est aliquis, peccauit; conuicia aut crimina ingessit, aeque peccauit; aliena quisquam diripuit, inter delicta numeratur; loca profana sacraue uiolauit, non est ab indulgentia secernendus. postremo nullus esset ueniae locus, nisi peccata praecederent.
The last point in your Excellency's letter was that the vengeance of the church did not demand life or blood, but that they should be stripped of the things they most fear to lose. But I, unless I am mistaken, think it more grievous to be stripped of one's means than to be killed; since, as you know is often repeated in literature, death takes away the sense of all evils, while a life of want produces endless calamity; for it is more grievous to live in evils than to end evils by death. This is shown also by the character of your works, in which you support the poor, relieve the sick with care, apply medicine to afflicted bodies, and in short do everything in every way so that those consigned to it may not feel the length of their calamity. As to the measure of sins, it makes no difference what kind of sin it seems to be for which pardon is asked. First, if repentance both grants pardon and cleanses the offence, he who asks, who embraces your feet, certainly repents; and if, as some philosophers hold, all sins are equal, pardon ought to be common to all. Someone spoke insolently: he sinned. He heaped insults or accusations: he sinned equally. Someone plundered another's goods: it is counted among offences. He violated places profane or sacred: he is not to be excluded from pardon. Finally, there would be no room for pardon unless sins came first.
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Summary: Nectarius argues that losing property is worse than death, and that, since repentance earns pardon and all sins are equal, his fellow citizens should be pardoned.
- “Death takes away the sense of all evils” echoes Sallust, Catiline 51.20 (Caesar's speech); the equality of sins is the Stoic paradox (Cicero, Paradoxa Stoicorum 3). Nectarius is quoting Augustine's earlier letter (Ep. 91).
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (stray letter in the digital text; stray mark in the digital text): mala u morte → mala morte; praecederent.- → praecederent..
Extrabiblical texts: Sallust, Cat. 51.20 (Sallust; allusion); Cicero, Parad. 3 (Cicero; allusion)
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 103.3 (CSEL 34.2:580–581; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/102-25/#p-103-3).
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103.4CSEL 34.2:581–582
Nunc quoniam, non quantum debui, sed quantum potui, maius, ut dicitur, minusue respondi, oro atque obsecro — utinam praesentem possem, ut etiam lacrimas meas peruideres —, ut, qui sis, quid profitearis, quid agas, etiam atque etiam cogites, intendas, quae sit illius species ciuitatis, ex qua ad supplicium ducendi extrahuntur, quae sit matrum, quae coniugum, quae liberorum, quae parentum lamentatio, quo pudore ad patriam uenire possint liberati sed torti, quos renouet dolores aut gemitus consideratio uulnerum et cicatricum. et his omnibus pertractatis deum primo consideres hominumque cogites famam, bonitatem amicam potius familiaremque coniunctionem et ignoscendo potius laudem quam uindicando conquiras. atque haec de his dicta sint, quos uerus confessionis suae reatus astringit, quibus quidem legis contemplatione, quod laudare non desino, ueniam tribuisti. iam illud explicari uix potest, quantae crudelitatis sit innocentes appetere et eos, quos a crimine constat esse discretos, in iudicium capitis deuocare. quos si purgari contigerit, cogites, quaeso, quanta accusatorum liberabuntur inuidia, cum reos sponte dimiserint uicti, reliquerint innocentes. deus summus te custodiat et a legis suae conseruet praesidium atque ornamentum nostrum.
Now, since I have answered, not as much as I ought but as much as I could, more or less, as they say, I pray and beseech you (would that I were present, so that you might see my tears too) to consider again and again who you are, what you profess, what you do; to consider what the appearance of that city is from which men are dragged out to be led to punishment; what the lamentation of mothers, of wives, of children, of parents; with what shame those set free, but tortured, can come back to their fatherland; what sorrows and groans the sight of their wounds and scars renews. And having weighed all these things, consider God first and think of men's reputation, and seek rather friendly goodness and familiar union, and praise by pardoning rather than by punishing. And let this be said of those whom the real guilt of their confession binds, to whom indeed you have granted pardon out of regard for your law (that is, your religion), for which I do not cease to praise you. But it can hardly be expressed how great a cruelty it is to attack the innocent and to summon to a capital trial those who are clearly separate from the crime. If it happens that they are cleared, consider, I beg you, with how much ill will toward their accusers they will be set free, since the accusers released the guilty of their own accord and let the innocent go only when defeated. May the supreme God guard you and preserve you, the defence of his law and our ornament.
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Summary: Nectarius pleads that Augustine consider the suffering of families if citizens are punished, and especially spare the innocent.
- The closing words (“a legis suae conseruet”) are defective in the digital text and are translated by sense.
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 103.4 (CSEL 34.2:581–582; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/102-25/#p-103-4).
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