Letters 104.1–104.17

Latin text: Goldbacher, CSEL 34, 44, 57 (Latin text: Alois Goldbacher (CSEL 34, 44, 57, 1895–1911), digitized by Open Greek and Latin (csel-dev, University of Leipzig), CC BY-SA 4.0).English: Claude (claude-opus-5-5), public domain (CC0). Compare: Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers, series 1, vol. 1 (1886).

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Chapter 104

104.1CSEL 34.2:582

Legi litteras benignitatis tuae, quibus mihi longe postea respondisti, quam meas ad te perferendas dedi. nam ego rescripseram, cum adhuc nobiscum esset neque nauigasset sanctus frater et coepiscopus meus Possidius; has autem, quas mei causa illi dignatus es reddere, accepi VI Kal. Aprilis post menses ferme octo, quam scripseram. cur ergo ad te tam sero mea scripta peruenerint aut ad me tua, prorsus ignoro, nisi forte modo rescribere prudentiae tuae placuerit, quod facere ante contempseras. hoc si ita est, miror, unde sit. an aliquid audisti, quod nos adhuc latet, fratrem meum Possidium aduersus ciues tuos, quos — pace tua dixerim — multo salubrius diligit ipse quam tu, quo plectantur seuerius, impetrasse? nam hoc et epistula tua te metuere indicat, cum admones, ut mihi ante oculos constituam, qualis illa sit species ciuitatis, ex qua ad supplicium ducendi extrahuntur, quae sit matrum, quae coniugum, quae liberorum, quae parentum lamentatio, quo pudore ad patriam uenire possint liberati sed torti, quos renouet dolores aut gemitus consideratio uulnerum et cicatricum. absit, ut, ista cuiquam inimicorum nostrorum uel per nos uel per quemquam quod ingerantur, instemus; sed, ut dixi, si aliquid tale ad te fama pertulit, apertius edissere, ut nouerimus, uel quid agere, ne ista fiant, uel quid haec credentibus respondere debeamus.

I have read your Benevolence's letter, in which you replied to me long after I had given mine to be delivered to you. For I had replied while my holy brother and fellow bishop Possidius was still with us and had not yet sailed; but this letter, which you were so kind as to give him for me, I received on the sixth day before the Kalends of April, about eight months after I had written. Why my letter reached you so late, or yours me, I do not know at all; unless perhaps your Prudence has decided to reply now, which you had previously disdained to do. If so, I wonder why. Have you heard something, which is still hidden from us, that my brother Possidius has obtained something against your fellow citizens, whom (by your leave) he loves much more wholesomely than you do, by which they may be punished more severely? For your letter shows that you fear this, when you urge me to set before my eyes what the appearance of that city is from which men are dragged out to be led to punishment, what the lamentation of mothers, wives, children, parents, with what shame those set free, but tortured, can come back to their fatherland, what sorrows and groans the sight of their wounds and scars renews. Far be it from us to press for these things to be inflicted on any of our enemies, either by us or by anyone else! But, as I said, if some such report has reached you, explain it more openly, so that we may know either what to do so that these things do not happen, or what we should answer those who believe them.

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Summary: Augustine answers Nectarius's late reply, denying any wish that the citizens of Calama be tortured or executed, and asks what rumour prompted his fear.

  • Augustine's reply to Ep. 103. The sixth day before the Kalends of April is 27 March (409). Possidius, bishop of Calama, had gone to the imperial court (see Ep. 95.1).

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 104.1 (CSEL 34.2:582; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/104-1/#p-104-1).

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104.2CSEL 34.2:582–583

Litteras meas potius intuere, quibus te rescribere piguit: illic enim satis expressi animum nostrum. sed, ut opinor, oblitus, quid tibi rescripserim, omnino mihi alia longe diuersa et dissimilia rettulisti. quippe quasi recordatus, quod, in litteris meis posui, hoc tuis inseruisti, quod omnino non posui. postremum enim fuisse in litteris meis dicis non caput aut sanguinem in ecclesiae postulari uindicta, sed rebus quibus maxime metuunt spoliandos. deinde ostendens, quantum sit hoc mali, adiungis atque contexis, nisi te opinio fallit, arbitrari grauius esse spoliari facultatibus quam occidi. atque ut apertius exponas, de quibus facultatibus dixeris, peragis atque addis me frequentatum in litteris nosse, quod mors malorum omnium auferat sensum, egestosa autem uita aeternam pariat calamitatem. deinde conclusisti grauius esse in malis uiuere quam mala morte finire.

Look rather at my letter, to which you were reluctant to reply; for there I expressed my mind sufficiently. But, I think, having forgotten what I wrote to you, you have reported to me things altogether different and unlike. For, as if remembering what I put in my letter, you inserted in yours what I did not put at all. You say that the last point in my letter was “that the vengeance of the church did not demand life or blood, but that they should be stripped of the things they most fear to lose.” Then, showing how great an evil this is, you add and attach that, unless you are mistaken, you think it more grievous to be stripped of one's means than to be killed. And to explain more clearly what means you spoke of, you go on and add that I know it is often repeated in literature that “death takes away the sense of all evils, while a life of want produces endless calamity.” Then you concluded that it is more grievous to live in evils than to end evils by death.

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Summary: Augustine says Nectarius misreported his letter, and restates the argument Nectarius drew from it.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (split word in the digital text): oc cidi → occidi.

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 104.2 (CSEL 34.2:582–583; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/104-1/#p-104-2).

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104.3CSEL 34.2:583–584

Et ego quidem nec in nostris, ad quas me serius fateor animum applicuisse, quam uellem, nec in uestris, quas ab ineunte aetate didici, litteris uspiam legisse recolo, quod egestosa uita aeternam pariat calamitatem. nam nec umquam peccatum est laboriosa paupertas et est aliquanta restrictio et cohercitio peccatorum. ac per hoc non est metuendum, ne cuiquam post hanc breuem uitam hoc ad aeternam ualeat animae calamitatem, quod pauper hic uixerit, et in hac ipsa, quam in terris degimus, nullo modo ulla calamitas aeterna esse poterit, cum eadem uita aeterna esse non possit, quae nec saltem diuturna est, ad quamlibet aetatem senectutemque peruenerit. hoc enim potius in illis litteris legi. quoniam uita ipsa, qua fruimur, breuis est, in qua tu arbitraris et frequentatum in litteris iam mones aeternam esse posse calamitatem; mortem autem malorum omnium esse finem habent quidem uestrae litterae sed nec ipsae omnes; Epicureorum est quippe ista sententia et si qui alii mortalem animam putant. at illi, quos Tullius quasi consulares philosophos appellat, quod eorum magni pendat auctoritatem, quoniam, cum extremum diem fungimur, non extingui animam sed emigrare censent, et ut merita quoque eius adserunt seu bona seu mala uel ad beatitudinem uel ad miseriam permanere. hoc congruit et litteris sacris, quarum me cupio litteratorem. malorum ergo finis est mors, sed in eis, quorum casta, pia, fidelis, innocens uita, non in eis, qui temporalium nugarum et uanitatum cupiditate flagrantes et, cum hic sibi felices uidentur, ipsa uoluntatis prauitate miseri conuincuntur et post mortem grauiores miserias non habere tantum uerum etiam sentire coguntur.

Now I do not remember ever having read, either in our literature, to which I confess I applied my mind later than I would have wished, or in yours, which I learned from my early youth, that a life of want produces endless calamity. For toilsome poverty is never a sin, and it is in some measure a restraint and check on sins. And so there is no need to fear that the fact that someone lived here in poverty will avail, after this short life, for the eternal calamity of his soul; and in this life which we spend on earth no calamity can in any way be eternal, since this life cannot be eternal, which is not even long, to whatever age and old age it may reach. This rather is what I have read in that literature: that this very life which we enjoy is short; and in it you think, and warn me that it is often repeated in literature, that there can be eternal calamity. That death is the end of all evils your literature does indeed contain, but not all of it; for that is the opinion of the Epicureans, and of any others who think the soul mortal. But those whom Tullius calls as it were the consular philosophers, because he values their authority highly, hold that when we die the soul is not extinguished but departs, and they assert that its deserts too, whether good or bad, remain for either happiness or misery. This agrees with the sacred writings too, of which I wish to be a scholar. Death, then, is the end of evils, but for those whose life has been chaste, pious, faithful and innocent; not for those who, burning with desire for temporal trifles and vanities, even when they seem happy here, are proved miserable by the very perversity of their will, and after death are compelled not only to have heavier miseries but also to feel them.

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Summary: Poverty is never a sin and cannot cause eternal misery; death ends evils only for the righteous, as the better philosophers and Scripture agree.

  • Cicero's “consular philosophers” (Tusculan Disputations 1.55, of Plato and the Platonists) are contrasted with the Epicureans.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR slip; stray letter in the digital text): ne M cuiquam → ne cuiquam; nuoniam → quoniam.

Extrabiblical texts: Cicero, Tusc. 1.55 (Cicero; allusion)

Topics: Eschatology

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 104.3 (CSEL 34.2:583–584; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/104-1/#p-104-3).

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104.4CSEL 34.2:584

Haec ergo cum et uestris quibusdam, quas honorabilius habetis, et nostris omnibus litteris frequententur, o bone dilector etiam terrenae patriae tuae, luxuriosam uitam time ciuibus tuis, non egestosam aut, si egestosam times, illam potius egestatem mone deuitandam, quae magna licet rerum terrenarum prosperitate circumfluat, eis tamen insatiabiliter inhiando, ut uestrorum ipsorum uerbis utar auctorum, neque copia neque inopia minuitur. uerum tamen in illis, quibus respondisti, litteris meis inimicos ecclesiae ciues tuos nec illa egestate dixi emendandos, ubi necessaria naturae desunt, cui succurrit misericordia, de qua nobis etiam praescribendum putasti, quod operum nostrorum hoc indicet ratio, quibus pauperes sustinemus, morbidos curatione releuamus, medicinam afflictis corporibus adhibemus, quamquam et sic egere utilius sit quam ad satiandam nequitiam rebus omnibus abundare; sed absit, ut ego illa cohercitione ad hanc aerumnam eos, de quibus agimus, redigendos esse censuerim.

Since, then, these things are often repeated both in some of your literature, which you hold in greater honour, and in all of ours, O good lover even of your earthly fatherland, fear a luxurious life for your fellow citizens, not a needy one; or, if you fear a needy one, urge them rather to avoid that neediness which, though it overflows with great prosperity of earthly goods, yet, by gaping insatiably after them, to use the words of your own authors, “is lessened neither by plenty nor by want.” But in that letter of mine to which you replied I did not say that your fellow citizens, enemies of the church, should be corrected by that want in which the necessities of nature are lacking, which mercy relieves, about which you even thought you should prescribe to us, saying that this is shown by the character of our works, in which we support the poor, relieve the sick with care, and apply medicine to afflicted bodies; though even to be in want in that way is more useful than to abound in all things for the satisfying of wickedness. But far be it from me to have thought that those we are dealing with should be reduced to this hardship by that coercion.

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Summary: Nectarius should fear luxury, not poverty, for his people; Augustine never wished them reduced to want.

  • The quoted words are from Sallust, Catiline 11.3 (of avarice).

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (stray letter in the digital text): rerum u terrenarum → rerum terrenarum.

Extrabiblical texts: Sallust, Cat. 11.3 (Sallust; quotation)

Topics: Ethics

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 104.4 (CSEL 34.2:584; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/104-1/#p-104-4).

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104.5CSEL 34.2:584–586

Recense epistulam meam, si tamen dignam habuisti, si non quam relegeres, cum ei fuisset respondendum, saltem quam ita reponeres, ut tibi iubenti, cum uolueris, proferretur, et so adtende, quid dixerim; hoc profecto inuenies, cui te non respondisse, quantum existimo, fatearis. nam ex epistula illa mea uerba nunc insero: Non praeterita, inquam, uindicando pascere iram nostram studemus, sed misericorditer in futurum consulendo satagimus. habent homines mali, ubi et per Christianos non solum mansuete uerum etiam utiliter salubriterque plectantur; habent enim, quod corpore incolumes uiuunt, habent, unde uiuunt, habent, unde male uiuunt. duo prima salua sint, ut, quos paeniteat, sint; hoc optamus, hoc, quantum in nobis est, etiam inpensa opera instamus. tertium uero si dominus uoluerit tamquam putre noxiumque resecare, ualde misericorditer puniet. haec uerba mea si recensuisses, cum mihi rescribere dignareris, non solum de morte sed et de damnis corporalibus euitandis eorum, pro quibus agis, nos inuidiosius quam officiosius rogandos putares, quorum dixi uelle nos in eis saluum esse, quod incolumes corpore uiuunt, nec egestosam uitam, ut uictu indigeant ab aliis impartito, per nos eis utique formidares. quorum et illud secundum dixi uelle nos saluum, quod habent, unde uiuunt. tertium uero, quod habent, unde male uiuunt, id est, ut nihil aliud dicam, certe unde falsorum deorum argentea fabricauere simulacra, pro quibus uel seruandis uel adorandis uel sacrilego ritu adhuc colendis usque ad ecclesiae dei prosiliatur incendium et religiosissimorum pauperum sustentacula infelici uulgo diripienda praebeantur sanguisque fundendus, tu, qui tuae consulis ciuitati, quare metuis resecari, ne omni modo impunitate perniciosa nutriatur et roboretur audacia? hoc nobis edissere, hoc doce circumspecta disputatione quid mali sit; diligenter adtende, quod dicimus, ne id, quod uobis dicimus, uelut specie petendi quodam modo accusatione obliqua obicere uidearis.

Go over my letter again, if indeed you thought it worth, if not rereading when it had to be answered, at least putting away so that it could be produced when you ordered, whenever you wished; and note what I said: you will certainly find something which, as far as I can judge, you will admit you did not answer. For I now insert my words from that letter: “We are not eager,” I said, “to feed our anger by avenging the past, but we strive to provide mercifully for the future. Wicked men have things in which they may be punished by Christians too, not only gently but also usefully and wholesomely; for they have their bodily safety, they have the means to live, they have the means to live wickedly. Let the first two remain safe, so that there may be people to repent; this we desire, this, as far as in us lies, we press for with earnest effort. But the third, if the Lord wills to cut it off as something rotten and harmful, he will punish very mercifully.” If you had gone over these words of mine when you deigned to reply to me, you would have thought that we should be asked, more invidiously than dutifully, not only about avoiding death but also about avoiding bodily injury to those for whom you plead, since I said we wish their bodily safety preserved; nor would you have feared from us for them a life of want, so that they would need food given by others, since I said we wish the second thing preserved for them too, that they have the means to live. But the third, that they have the means to live wickedly: that is, to say nothing else, the means with which they made silver images of false gods, for the preserving, adoring or still worshipping of which with sacrilegious rite they rushed even to setting fire to the church of God, and the support of the most devout poor was handed over to the wretched mob to plunder, and blood was to be shed: why do you, who care for your city, fear that this should be cut off, lest harmful boldness be nourished and strengthened in every way by impunity? Explain this to us, teach us with careful argument what evil there is in this; attend carefully to what we say, lest what we say to you you seem to throw back at us, under the appearance of a petition, as a kind of oblique accusation.

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Summary: Augustine quotes his earlier letter: the offenders' lives and livelihood are to be spared, and only the wealth with which they live wickedly, which paid for idols and the burning of the church, may be taken.

  • Augustine quotes his Ep. 91.9. The riot at Calama (June 408) is described as Augustine gives it.

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 104.5 (CSEL 34.2:584–586; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/104-1/#p-104-5).

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104.6CSEL 34.2:586

Sint honesti ciues tui, probis moribus, non superfluis facultatibus; non eos uolumus ad aratrum Quintii et ad Fabricii focum per nos ulla cohercitione perduci, qua paupertate illi Romanae rei publicae principes non solum non uiluerunt ciuibus suis, sed ob eam fuerunt praecipue cariores et patriae gubernandis opibus aptiores. ne illud quidem optamus aut agimus, ut patriae tuae diuitibus illius Rufini bis consulis argenti cultus decem pondo remaneat, quod tunc laudabiliter seuera censura adhuc resecandum tamquam uitium iudicauit. tantum nos consuetudo decoloris aetatis nimium marcidas animas mitius contrectare persuadet, ut mansuetudini Christianae, quod illis censoribus iustum uisum est, nimium uideatur, et uides, quam multum intersit, utrum iam punienda culpa sit tantum habere an propter alias grauissimas culpas, ut tantum quis habeat, permittere. quod tunc iam fuit peccatum, nunc uolumus sit saltem poena peccati. sed est, quod fieri possit et debeat, ut nec usque ad ista progrediatur seueritas nec nimis secura laetetur et debacchetur impunitas et imitationis exemplum ad grauissimas et occultissimas poenas infelicibus proponatur. saltem concede, ut nimium superfluis suis timeant, qui necessaria nostra incendere ac uastare moliuntur. liceat et hoc beneficium tribuere inimicis nostris, ut, dum metuunt rebus, quas noxium non est amittere, quod sibi noxium est, non conentur admittere. neque enim haec dicenda est uindicta peccati sed tutela consilii; non est hoc inrogare supplicium sed ab excipiendo supplicio communire.

Let your fellow citizens be honourable by good conduct, not by superfluous wealth. We do not wish them to be brought by any coercion of ours to the plough of Quinctius and the hearth of Fabricius, the poverty by which those leaders of the Roman commonwealth were not only not cheapened in the eyes of their fellow citizens but were for that very reason especially dearer to them and fitter to govern the resources of the fatherland. We do not even wish or work for this: that to the rich of your fatherland there should remain only the ten pounds of silver plate of that Rufinus, twice consul, which the then praiseworthily severe censorship judged should be cut off as a vice. So far does the custom of a degenerate age persuade us to handle too languid souls more gently, that to Christian gentleness what seemed just to those censors seems too much; and you see how great a difference it makes whether merely having so much is already a fault to be punished, or whether, because of other very grave faults, one is permitted to have so much. What was then already a sin, we now wish to be at least the penalty of sin. But there is something that can and should be done, so that severity does not go so far, and impunity does not rejoice too securely and run riot, and an example for imitation, leading to the gravest and most hidden punishments, is not set before the unhappy. At least allow those who try to burn and lay waste our necessities to fear for their superfluities. Let us be allowed to give our enemies this benefit too: that, while they fear for things which it is not harmful to lose, they may not attempt to commit what is harmful to them. For this should not be called vengeance for sin but a protection by counsel; this is not inflicting punishment but guarding against incurring punishment.

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Summary: Augustine does not wish them reduced to the poverty of old Roman heroes, but only that fear for their superfluous wealth restrain them from further crimes.

  • Quinctius Cincinnatus and Fabricius were heroes of early Roman frugality; Publius Cornelius Rufinus, twice consul, was expelled from the senate by the censor in 275 BC for owning ten pounds of silver plate (Livy, Periochae 14; Valerius Maximus 2.9.4).

Extrabiblical texts: Livy, Per. 14 (Livy, History of Rome; allusion)

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 104.6 (CSEL 34.2:586; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/104-1/#p-104-6).

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104.7CSEL 34.2:586–587

Quisquis inprudentem cum aliquo sensu doloris priuat. ne superuacuis sceleribus adsuefactus poenas atrocissimas pendat, puero capillos uellit, ne serpentibus plaudat, atque ita, ubi molesta dilectio est, nullum membrum laeditur, unde autem deterret, salus et uita periclitatur. non tunc benefici sumus, cum id, quod a nobis petitur, facimus, sed cum id facimus, quod non obsit petentibus. nam pleraque non dando prosumus et noceremus, si dedissemus. unde illud prouerbium: Nec puero gladium. Tu uero, inquit Tullius, ne unico quidem filio. quo enim quemquam maxime diligimus, eo minus ei debemus, in quibus magno periculo peccatur, committere. et de diuitiis, ni fallor, cum haec ageret, loquebatur. proinde quae periculose male utentibus committuntur, salubriter etiam plerumque detrahuntur. medici cum uident secandam urendamque putredinem, saepe aduersus multas lacrimas misericorditer obsurdescunt. si, quotiens paruuli uel etiam grandiusculi ueniam peccantes deprecati sumus, totiens a parentibus uel magistris accepissemus, quis nostrum tolerandus creuisset? quis aliquid utile didicisset? prouidenter ista, non crudeliter fiunt. ne, quaeso, in hac causa nihil aliud intendas, nisi quem ad modum apud nos efficias, quod rogaris a tuis; omnia uero diligenter considera. si praeterita neglegis, quae fieri iam infecta non possunt, aliquantum prospice in posterum; non quid cupiant, qui te rogant, sed quid eis expediat, prudenter adtende. non sane fideliter eos amare conuincimur, si hoc solum intuemur, ne non faciendo, quod poscunt, minuatur, quod amamur ab eis; et ubi est, quod et uestrae litterae illum laudant patriae rectorem, qui populi utilitati magis consulat quam uoluntati?

Whoever, with some feeling of pain, deprives a heedless person [of something dangerous], so that, grown used to needless crimes, he may not pay the most atrocious penalties, is like one who pulls a boy's hair so that he will not clap his hands at snakes: so where love is troublesome, no limb is harmed, but where it deters, health and life are in danger. We are not beneficent when we do what is asked of us, but when we do what does not harm those who ask. For we often help by not giving, and would harm if we had given. Hence that proverb: “Not even a sword to a boy.” “But you,” says Tullius, “not even to an only son.” For the more we love someone, the less we ought to entrust to him things in which there is great danger of sinning. And, if I am not mistaken, he was speaking of riches when he said this. Therefore what is entrusted dangerously to those who use it badly is very often also withdrawn wholesomely. Physicians, when they see that a rotten part must be cut and burned, often mercifully turn a deaf ear to many tears. If, every time we begged pardon for our faults as small children, or even as somewhat older ones, we had received it from parents or teachers, which of us would have grown up bearable? Which of us would have learned anything useful? These things are done with foresight, not with cruelty. Do not, I beg you, in this case aim at nothing but how to obtain from us what your people ask of you; consider everything carefully. If you neglect the past, which cannot now be undone, look a little to the future; consider prudently not what those who ask you desire, but what is good for them. We are certainly shown not to love them faithfully if we look only to this, that our being loved by them should not be lessened by our not doing what they demand. And where is it that your literature too praises that ruler of the fatherland who consults the people's advantage rather than its wishes?

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Summary: Love sometimes withholds what is asked, as one keeps a sword from a child or pulls a boy away from snakes; a good ruler serves the people's good, not their wishes.

  • The opening sentence is defective in the digital text; the words in brackets are supplied by sense. The words of “Tullius” (Cicero) are not identified in his surviving works. The praise of the ruler who consults the people's good is a commonplace of Roman political writing (compare Cicero, On Duties 1.85).

Topics: Ethics

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 104.7 (CSEL 34.2:586–587; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/104-1/#p-104-7).

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104.8CSEL 34.2:587–588

Nihil interest, inquis, quale uideatur esse peccatum, cum indulgentia postulatur. recte hoc diceres, si de puniendis, non de corrigendis hominibus ageretur. absit enim a corde Christiano, ut libidine ulciscendi ad poenam cuiusque rapiatur; absit, ut in dimittendo cuique peccatum aut non praeueniat preces rogantis aut certe continuo subsequatur, sed hoc utique ne oderit hominem, ne malum pro malo retribuat, ne nocendi inflammetur ardore, ne uindicta etiam lege debita pasci desideret, non autem ne consulat, ne prospiciat, ne compescat a malis. fieri enim potest, ut uehementius aduersando emendationem quisque neglegat hominis, quem grauius odit, et nonnulla molestia reddat cohercendo meliorem, quem maxime diligit.

“It makes no difference,” you say, “what kind of sin it seems to be, when pardon is asked.” You would say this rightly if it were a question of punishing men, not of correcting them. For far be it from a Christian heart to be carried away by lust for vengeance to anyone's punishment; far be it that, in forgiving anyone's sin, it should not either anticipate the prayers of the one asking or at least follow them at once; but this, surely, so that it may not hate the man, may not repay evil for evil, may not be inflamed with eagerness to harm, may not desire to feed on vengeance even when it is due by law; not so that it may not take thought, not provide for the future, not restrain from evils. For it can happen that by more vehement opposition one neglects the correction of a man whom one hates more gravely, and by some trouble, in restraining him, makes better one whom one loves most.

Rom 12:17 (allusion, medium confidence)

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Summary: A Christian forgives readily and never seeks vengeance, but forgiveness does not exclude restraining and correcting.

  • Allusion: Rom 12:17.

Topics: Ethics

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 104.8 (CSEL 34.2:587–588; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/104-1/#p-104-8).

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104.9CSEL 34.2:588–589

Nam et paenitentia, sicut scribis, impetrat ueniam et purgat admissum sed illa, quae in uera religione agitur, quae futurum iudicium dei cogitat, non illa, quae ad horam hominibus aut exhibetur aut fingitur, non ut a delicto anima purgetur in aeternum, sed ut interim a praesenti metu molestiae uita cito peritura liberetur. hinc est, quod Christianis confitentibus atque deprecantibus, qui delicto illo fuerant implicati uel non succurrendo arsurae ecclesiae uel de sceleratissimis rapinis aliquid auferendo, paenitentiae dolorem fructuosum esse credidimus eisque ad correctionem sufficere existimauimus, quod inest cordibus eorum fides, qua considerare possent, quid de diuino iudicio formidare deberent. quae autem paenitentia sanare potest eos, qui fontem ipsum indulgentiae non solum agnoscere neglegunt, uerum etiam inridere ac blasphemare non desinunt? et contra hos tamen inimicitias in corde non retinemus, quod illi patet ac nudum est, cuius et in praesenti et in futura uita et timemus iudicium et speramus auxilium. sed arbitramur nos etiam pro ipsis aliquid prouidere, si homines, qui deum non timent, aliquid timeant, quo non eorum laedatur utilitas, sed uanitas castigetur, ne ab eis deus ipse, quem spernunt, noxia securitate audacioribus factis grauius offendatur et ne aliis ad imitandum eadem ipsa securitas multo perniciosius proponatur. denique pro quibus abs te rogamur, nos pro illis deum rogamus, uti eos ad se conuertat, ut fide mundans corda eorum ueracem ac salubrem agere paenitentiam doceat.

For repentance too, as you write, obtains pardon and cleanses the offence; but that repentance which is practised in the true religion, which considers the future judgment of God; not that which is shown or feigned before men for the moment, not so that the soul may be cleansed from the offence for ever, but so that a life soon to perish may meanwhile be freed from the present fear of trouble. That is why, in the case of Christians who confessed and begged pardon, who had been involved in that offence either by not helping the church as it burned or by taking something from the most wicked plunder, we believed the pain of repentance to be fruitful, and judged it sufficient for their correction that there is faith in their hearts, by which they could consider what they ought to fear from the divine judgment. But what repentance can heal those who not only neglect to acknowledge the very fountain of pardon but do not cease to mock and blaspheme it? And yet even against these we do not keep enmity in our heart, which lies open and bare to him whose judgment we fear and whose help we hope for, both in the present and in the future life. But we think we are providing something for them too, if men who do not fear God fear something, by which not their advantage is harmed but their vanity is chastised, lest God himself, whom they despise, be more gravely offended by them through bolder deeds born of harmful security, and lest that very security be set before others to imitate with much more ruinous effect. Finally, for those for whom you ask us, we ask God that he may turn them to himself, and, cleansing their hearts by faith, teach them to practise a true and wholesome repentance.

Acts 15:9 (allusion, high confidence)

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Summary: True repentance looks to God's judgment; Christians involved in the riot were reconciled by penance, but pagans who mock the faith are restrained for their own good, and Augustine prays for their conversion.

  • Reference: Acts 15:9.

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 104.9 (CSEL 34.2:588–589; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/104-1/#p-104-9).

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104.10CSEL 34.2:589

Ecce quanto eos, quibus nos arbitraris irasci, — pace tua dixerim — ordinatius quam tu utiliusque diligimus, pro quibus et ad euitanda tanto maiora mala et ad consequenda tanto maiora bona deprecamur. quos etiam tu si ex dei caelesti munere non ex hominum terreno more diligeres sinceriterque mihi rescriberes, quod, cum te ad exsuperantissimi dei cultum religionemque compellerem, libenter audieris, non solum haec eis optares, sed eis ad haec ipse praeires. sic omne apud nos tuae petitionis negotium cum magno et sano gaudio finiretur; sic illam caelestem patriam, quam cum intuendam esse suaderem, libens te accepisse dixisti, ex huius etiam, quae te carnaliter genuit, uera et pia dilectione promereris uere consulens tuis non ad uanitatem laetitiae temporalis nec ad impunitatem perniciosissimam sceleris sed ad gratiam sempiternae felicitatis.

See how much more rightly and usefully than you (by your leave) we love those with whom you think we are angry, praying for them both to avoid evils so much greater and to obtain goods so much greater. If you too loved them from God's heavenly gift and not by the earthly custom of men, and wrote to me sincerely that you heard gladly when I urged you toward the worship and religion of the most exalted God, you would not only wish these things for them but would go before them yourself toward these things. Thus the whole business of your petition would be concluded with us with great and sound joy; thus you would earn that heavenly fatherland, which you said you gladly received when I urged that it be contemplated, by a true and godly love for this one too, which begot you in the flesh, truly caring for your people, not for the vanity of temporal joy nor for the most ruinous impunity of crime, but for the grace of everlasting happiness.

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Summary: Augustine claims to love Nectarius's fellow citizens better than he does, and urges him to lead them himself toward true religion.

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  • Digital text corrected (OCR slip; split word and OCR slip in the digital text): pace tna → pace tua; sce- Ieris → sceleris.

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 104.10 (CSEL 34.2:589; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/104-1/#p-104-10).

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104.11CSEL 34.2:589–590

Habes expositas in hac causa cogitationes et uota pectoris mei. quid autem lateat in consilio dei, fateor, homo sum, nescio; sed certissime scio, quicquid illud est, id esse iustius atque sapientius et firmissime stabilitum incomparabili excellentia prae omnibus mentibus hominum. uerum est quippe, quod legitur in libris nostris: Multae cogitationes sunt in corde uiri, consilium autem domini manet in aeternum. proinde quid tempus adferat, quid nobis facultatis aut difficultatis oriatur, quid postremo uoluntatis ex rerum praesentium uel correctione uel spe subito possit existere, utrum deus sic indignetur his factis, ut ea, quam petunt, impunitate magis seueriusque puniantur, an illo modo, quo nobis placet, cohercendos misericorditer iudicet, an aliqua acriore sed salubriore eorum praecedente correctione nec ad hominum sed ad suam misericordiam ueraci conuersione, quicquid terroris praeparabatur, auertat et conuertat in gaudium, iam nouit ipse, nos autem ignoramus. quid ergo hic ante tempus inter nos ego et praestantia tua frustra laboremus? seponamus paululum curam, cuius hora non est, et quod semper instat, si placet, agamus. nullum enim tempus est, quo non deceat et oporteat agere, unde deo placere possimus; quod in hac uita usque ad eam perfectionem impleri, ut nullum omnino peccatum insit in homine, aut non potest aut forte difficillimum est. inde praecisis omnibus dilationibus ad illius gratiam confugiendum est, cui uerissime dici potest, quod carmine adulatorio nescio cui nobili dixit, qui tamen ex Cumaeo tamquam ex prophetico carmine se accepisse confessus est: Te duce, si qua manent sceleris uestigia nostri, inrita perpetua soluent formidine terras. hoc enim duce solutis omnibus dimissisque peccatis hac uia ad caelestem patriam peruenitur, cuius habitatione cum eam tibi amandam, quantum potui, commendarem, admodum delectatus es.

You have here set out the thoughts and wishes of my heart in this case. But what lies hidden in the counsel of God I confess I do not know, being a man; but I know most certainly that, whatever it is, it is more just and wise and most firmly established, with incomparable excellence, above all the minds of men. For what is read in our books is true: “Many are the thoughts in a man's heart, but the counsel of the Lord remains for ever.” So what time may bring, what possibility or difficulty may arise for us, finally what will may suddenly spring from either the correction or the hope of present things; whether God is so angered by these deeds that they will be punished more and more severely by the very impunity they seek, or will judge that they should be mercifully restrained in the way we prefer, or, through some sharper but more wholesome correction of theirs going before, and through a true conversion, not to the mercy of men but to his own, will turn away whatever terror was being prepared and turn it into joy: this he knows, but we do not know. Why then should your Excellency and I labour in vain over this between us before the time? Let us set aside for a little the concern whose hour has not come, and, if you please, let us do what is always pressing. For there is no time when it is not fitting and necessary to do what may please God; which in this life either cannot be fulfilled to that perfection in which there is no sin at all in a man, or perhaps is very difficult. So, cutting off all delays, we must flee to the grace of him to whom can most truly be said what someone said in a flattering poem to some nobleman or other, though he confessed that he had taken it from a Cumaean, as it were prophetic, song: “Under your leadership, any traces of our crime that remain, made void, will free the lands from perpetual fear.” For under this leader, all sins loosed and forgiven, one comes by this way to the heavenly fatherland, in whose dwelling you were so much delighted when I commended it to your love as well as I could.

Prov 19:21 (quotation, high confidence)

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Summary: God's counsel about Calama is unknown; better to turn now to Christ, who alone truly fulfils Virgil's words about wiping away the traces of crime.

  • Quotations: Prov 19:21; Virgil, Eclogue 4.13–14 (the poem claims to follow the Cumaean Sibyl's song).

Extrabiblical texts: Virgil, Ecl. 4.13 (Virgil; quotation)

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 104.11 (CSEL 34.2:589–590; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/104-1/#p-104-11).

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104.12CSEL 34.2:590–591

Sed quia dixisti, quod omnes eam leges diuersis uiis et tramitibus appetant, uereor, ne forte, cum putas etiam illam uiam, in qua nunc constitutus es, eo tendere, pigrior sis ad eam tenendam, quae illuc sola perducit. sed rursus uerbum, quod posuisti, diligenter adtendens uideor mihi tuam non inprudenter aperire sententiam. neque enim dixisti, quam omnes leges diuersis uiis et tramitibus adsequuntur aut ostendunt aut inueniunt aut ingrediuntur aut obtinent aut aliquid eius modi, sed dicendo appetunt librato uerbo atque perpenso non adeptionem significasti sed adipiscendi cupiditatem. ita nec illam, quae uera est, exclusisti nec alias, quae falsae sunt, admisisti; et illa quippe appetit, quae perducit, nec perducit omnis, quae hoc appetit. quo quisquis perducitur, sine ulla dubitatione beatus est; beati autem omnes esse uolumus, hoc est appetimus nec tamen omnes, qui uolumus, possumus, hoc est, quod appetimus, adipiscimur. ille ergo adipiscitur, qui uiam tenet non solum, qua id appetit, sed qua etiam peruenitur, relinquens alios in itineribus appetendi sine fine adipiscendi, quoniam nec error esset, si nihil appeteretur nec si appetita ueritas teneretur. si uero diuersas uias ita dixisti, ut non intellegamus aduersas, sicut dicimus diuersa praecepta, quae tamen omnia bonam aedificent uitam alia de castitate alia de patientia alia de fide alia de misericordia et si qua sunt cetera, non solum appetitur uiis et tramitibus ita diuersis illa patria, uerum etiam reperitur. nam et in scripturis sanctis et uiae leguntur et uia: uiae, sicut illud est: Docebo iniquos uias tuas et impii ad te conuertentur, uia, sicut illud: Deduc me in uia tua et ambulabo in ueritate tua, non aliae illae alia ista sed omnes una, de quibus alio loco eadem sancta scriptura dicit: Uniuersae uiae domini misericordia et ueritas. quae si diligenter considerentur, copiosum pariunt sermonem intellectumque suauissimum; quod si opus fuerit, in tempus aliud differam.

But since you said that all laws seek it by different ways and paths, I fear that, thinking that the way on which you are now set also leads there, you may be slower to hold the one way that alone leads there. But again, paying careful attention to the word you used, I seem not unwisely to discern your meaning. For you did not say that all laws by different ways and paths attain it, or show it, or find it, or enter it, or obtain it, or anything of that kind; but by saying “seek”, with a weighed and balanced word, you signified not the attainment but the desire to attain. So you neither excluded the one that is true nor admitted the others that are false; for the one that leads there also seeks it, but not every one that seeks it leads there. Whoever is led there is without any doubt happy; and we all wish to be happy, that is, we seek it; yet not all of us who wish are able, that is, attain what we seek. He attains, then, who holds the way not only by which he seeks it but by which one also arrives, leaving others on the roads of seeking without the end of attaining; for there would be no error if nothing were sought, nor if the truth sought were held. But if you spoke of different ways in such a sense that we do not understand opposed ways, as we speak of different precepts which nevertheless all build up a good life, some about chastity, some about patience, some about faith, some about mercy, and whatever others there are, then that fatherland is not only sought by ways and paths so different, but also found. For in the holy Scriptures both “ways” and “the way” are read: “ways”, as in this, “I will teach the unjust your ways, and the ungodly will turn to you”; “the way”, as in this, “Lead me in your way, and I will walk in your truth”; not those ways being other and this way another, but all one, of which the same holy Scripture says in another place: “All the ways of the Lord are mercy and truth.” If these are considered carefully, they produce a copious discourse and a most delightful understanding; if it is necessary, I will put it off to another time.

Ps 51:13 (50:15 LXX) (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 86:11 (85:11 LXX) (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 25:10 (24:10 LXX) (quotation, high confidence)

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Summary: Nectarius's word “seek” rightly implies that many religions seek the heavenly city but only one way reaches it, though Scripture speaks of many ways that are one.

  • Quotations: Ps 51:13 (50:15 LXX); Ps 86:11 (85:11 LXX); Ps 25:10 (24:10 LXX). Nectarius's phrase is from Ep. 103.2.

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 104.12 (CSEL 34.2:590–591; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/104-1/#p-104-12).

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104.13CSEL 34.2:591–592

Nunc autem, quod satis esse arbitror pro suscepto officio rescribendi praestantiae tuae, quoniam Christus dixit: Ego sum uia, in illo quaerenda est misericordia et ueritas, ne, si alibi quaesierimus, erremus tenentes appetentem uiam sed non etiam perducentem, uelut, si hanc ipsam tenere uellemus, unde quiddam commemorasti, omnia peccata esse paria, nonne ab illa patria ueritatis et beatitatis nos longe exules mitteret? quid enim absurdius, quid insanius dici potest, quam ut ille, qui aliquanto inmoderatius riserit, et ille, qui patriam truculentius incenderit, peccasse iudicentur aequaliter? quam quidem tu ei quorundam philosophorum opinione non diuersam uiam, quae tamen ducat ad caelestem habitationem, sed plane peruersam, quae ducit ad perniciosissimum errorem, non pro tuo sensu sed pro causa ciuium tuorum adhibendam putasti, ut sic ignoscamus eis, quorum saeuientium ignibus arsit ecclesia, quem ad modum ignosceremus, si ab eis aliquo petulanti conuicio appeteremur.

Now, however, which I think is enough for the duty I have undertaken of replying to your Excellency, since Christ said, “I am the way”, mercy and truth must be sought in him, lest, if we seek them elsewhere, we go astray, holding a way that seeks but does not also lead; as, if we wished to hold that very one from which you mentioned something, that all sins are equal, would it not send us far into exile from that fatherland of truth and blessedness? For what can be said more absurd, more insane, than that he who laughed somewhat immoderately and he who savagely set fire to his fatherland should be judged to have sinned equally? This opinion of certain philosophers, not a different way that nevertheless leads to the heavenly dwelling, but a plainly perverse one that leads to most ruinous error, you thought should be brought in, not according to your own view but for the cause of your fellow citizens, so that we might pardon those by whose raging fires the church burned, as we would pardon them if we were attacked by them with some insolent abuse.

John 14:6 (quotation, high confidence)

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Summary: Christ is the way to mercy and truth; the Stoic doctrine that all sins are equal is absurd, equating a laugh with burning one's city.

  • Quotation: John 14:6. The Stoic paradox: Cicero, Paradoxa Stoicorum 3.

Extrabiblical texts: Cicero, Parad. 3 (Cicero; allusion)

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 104.13 (CSEL 34.2:591–592; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/104-1/#p-104-13).

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104.14CSEL 34.2:592

Sed quem ad modum id adstruxeris, uide: Et si, ut quibusdam, inquis, philosophis placet, omnia peccata paria sunt, indulgentia omnibus debet esse communis. deinde cum quasi moliris ostendere omnia paria esse peccata, subiungis et dicis: Petulantius locutus est aliquis, peccauit; conuicia aut crimina ingessit, aeque peccauit. hoc non est docere sed id, quod peruerse sentitur, sine ulla documentorum adstructione proponere. ad hoc enim, quod dicis aeque peccauit, cito respondetur: non aeque peccauit. exigis fortassis, ut probem: quid enim tu, quod aeque peccauerit, iam probasti? an illud, quod iungis, audiendum est: Aliena quisque diripuit, inter delicta numeratur? hic etiam tu ipse uerecundatus es; puduit enim te dicere, quod peccauit aequaliter, sed inter delicta, inquis, numeratur. non autem ibi quaestio est, utrum et hoc inter delicta numeretur, sed utrum hoc illi delicto aequalitate iungatur, aut, si propterea sunt paria, quia utraque delicta sunt, mures et elephanti pares erunt, quia utraque sunt animalia, muscae et aquilae, quia utraque uolatilia.

But see how you built it up: “And if, as some philosophers hold,” you say, “all sins are equal, pardon ought to be common to all.” Then, as if trying to show that all sins are equal, you add and say: “Someone spoke insolently: he sinned. He heaped insults or accusations: he sinned equally.” This is not teaching but putting forward, without any support of proofs, what is perversely thought. For to your “he sinned equally” the answer is quick: he did not sin equally. Perhaps you demand that I prove it; but what have you proved, that he sinned equally? Or should we listen to what you add: “Someone plundered another's goods: it is counted among offences”? Here even you yourself were ashamed; for you were embarrassed to say that he sinned equally, but you say, “it is counted among offences.” But the question there is not whether this too is counted among offences, but whether it is joined to that offence in equality; or, if they are equal because both are offences, mice and elephants will be equal because both are animals, flies and eagles because both are winged creatures.

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Summary: Nectarius asserts but does not prove that all sins are equal; on that logic mice would equal elephants.

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  • Digital text corrected (stray asterisk in the digital text; word split by a stray letter in the digital text): numeratur*. → numeratur.; uo- n latilia → uolatilia.

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 104.14 (CSEL 34.2:592; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/104-1/#p-104-14).

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104.15CSEL 34.2:592–593

Adhuc etiam progrederis et coniectas: Loca profana sacraue uiolauit, non est ab indulgentia secernendus. hic sane de uiolatis sacris locis ad facinus tuorum ciuium peruenisti, uerum locutioni petulanti nec tu ipse coaequasti; tantum modo eis petisti indulgentiam, quae recte petitur a Christianis propter abundantem miserationem non propter peccatorum parilitatem. ego autem supra posui scriptum in litteris nostris: Uniuersae uiae domini misericordia et ueritas. consequentur itaque misericordiam, si non oderint ueritatem. quae non quasi aeque peccantibus, ac si petulantius locuti sint, sed de scelere immanissimo atque impio recte paenitentibus Christiano iure debetur. tu uero, uir merito laudabilis, ne, quaeso, ista paradoxa Stoicorum sectanda doceas Paradoxum tuum, quem tibi optamus uera pietate ac felicitate grandescere. nam quid generosus adulescens sapere iniquius et tibi ipsi periculosius potest, quam si conuicio in quemlibet extraneum iaculato non dico parricidium sed ipsum in patrem conuicium coaequauerit?

You go further still and throw in: “He violated places profane or sacred: he is not to be excluded from pardon.” Here indeed, with the violation of sacred places, you have come to the crime of your fellow citizens, yet even you did not make it equal to insolent speech; you only asked pardon for them, which is rightly asked of Christians because of their abundant compassion, not because of the equality of sins. I put above what is written in our literature: “All the ways of the Lord are mercy and truth.” They will obtain mercy, then, if they do not hate truth. That mercy is owed by Christian right, not to those as if they had sinned equally, as though they had spoken insolently, but to those who rightly repent of a most monstrous and ungodly crime. But you, deservedly praiseworthy man, do not, I beg you, teach these paradoxes of the Stoics to be followed by your Paradoxus, whom we wish to grow up for you in true piety and happiness. For what could a noble young man think more unjust, and more dangerous to yourself, than if he made, I do not say parricide, but insult against his father equal to an insult hurled at any stranger?

Ps 25:10 (24:10 LXX) (quotation, high confidence)

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Summary: Even Nectarius did not equate burning the church with insolent words; mercy is owed to the penitent, and he should not teach his son Paradoxus Stoic paradoxes.

  • Quotation: Ps 25:10 (24:10 LXX). Paradoxus was Nectarius's son or grandson (the name invites the pun on the Stoic “paradoxes”).

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  • Digital text corrected (stray letter in the digital text): lLoca → Loca.

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 104.15 (CSEL 34.2:592–593; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/104-1/#p-104-15).

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104.16CSEL 34.2:593–594

Conuenienter itaque apud nos pro ciuibus tuis agis ingerendo nobis misericordiam Christianorum non duritiam Stoicorum, quae causae a te susceptae non modo nihil suffragatur, uerum etiam multum aduersatur. nam ipsam misericordiam, quam si non habeamus, nulla tua petitione, nullis illorum precibus flecti poterimus, in uitio Stoici ponunt eamque a sapientis animo penitus expellunt, quem prorsus ferreum et inflexibilem uolunt. melius itaque tibi occurreret, de tuo Cicerone quod diceres, qui Caesarem laudans: Nulla, inquit, de uirtutibus tuis admirabilior uel gratior misericordia est. quanto magis debet ea in ecclesiis praeualere, quando eum sequuntur, qui dixit: Ego sum uia, et legunt: Uniuersae uiae domini misericordia et ueritas. noli ergo metuere, innocentibus ne moliamur exitium, qui nec nocentes uolumus ad dignum supplicium peruenire prohibente nos illa misericordia, quam in Christo cum ueritate diligimus. sed qui uitiis nutriendis parcit et fouet, ne contristet peccantium uoluntatem, tam non est misericors, quam qui non uult cultrum rapere puero, ne audiat plorantem, et non timet, ne uulneratum doleat uel extinctum. serua ergo tempori opportuno, quod apud nos agas pro his hominibus, in quorum dilectione — da ueniam — non solum nos minime praecedis, sed nec adhuc sequeris, et rescribe potius, quid te de hac uia moueat, quam tenemus et in qua nobiscum ad supernam patriam, qua te delectari nouimus et gaudemus, ut gradiaris, instamus.

It is fitting, then, that you plead with us for your fellow citizens by pressing on us the mercy of Christians, not the hardness of the Stoics, which not only does nothing for the cause you have taken up but even works greatly against it. For the Stoics count that very mercy, without which no petition of yours and no prayers of theirs could move us, as a vice, and drive it out entirely from the mind of the wise man, whom they want to be wholly iron and inflexible. It would have been better, then, to recall what you could quote from your Cicero, who, praising Caesar, says: “Of your virtues none is more admirable or more pleasing than mercy.” How much more ought it to prevail in the churches, since they follow him who said, “I am the way”, and read, “All the ways of the Lord are mercy and truth”! Do not fear, then, that we are plotting destruction for the innocent, we who do not wish even the guilty to come to the punishment they deserve, forbidden by that mercy which we love in Christ together with truth. But he who spares and fosters vices in order not to sadden the will of sinners is as little merciful as one who will not snatch a knife from a child so as not to hear him cry, and does not fear that he may grieve over him wounded or dead. Keep for a suitable time, then, what you would do with us for these men, in love for whom (pardon me) you not only do not go before us at all but do not even follow us yet; and write back instead what troubles you about this way which we hold and in which we urge you to walk with us to the heavenly fatherland in which, we know and rejoice, you take delight.

John 14:6 (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 25:10 (24:10 LXX) (quotation, high confidence)

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Summary: Stoic hardness condemns the mercy Nectarius asks for; Cicero praised Caesar's mercy, and Christians practise mercy with truth, which sometimes means restraint.

  • Quotation: Cicero, For Ligarius 37. Quotations: John 14:6; Ps 25:10 (24:10 LXX).

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR slip): adnersatur → aduersatur.

Extrabiblical texts: Cicero, Lig. 37 (Cicero; quotation)

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 104.16 (CSEL 34.2:593–594; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/104-1/#p-104-16).

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104.17CSEL 34.2:594–595

Ciues autem carnalis patriae tuae etsi non omnes sed quosdam innocentes quidem dixisti, uerum tamen, quod relecta illa epistula mea debes aduertere, non defendisti. quorum non flores sed spinas nos sensisse cum dicerem respondens ad illud, quod scripseras florentem te cupere patriam relinquere, iocari me putasti. hoc scilicet in malis tantis libeat! ita est prorsus! fumant adhuc ruinae incensae ecclesiae et in ea causa nos iocamur! et ego quidem, quamuis innocentes illic mihi non occurrerent, nisi qui aut absentes fuerunt aut mala illa perpessi sunt aut nullis ad prohibendum uiribus uel auctoritate ualuerunt, tamen nocentiores a minus nocentibus in rescribendo distinxi aliamque causam posui eorum, qui timuerunt offendere potentes inimicos ecclesiae, aliam eorum, qui hoc committi uoluerunt, aliam eorum, qui commiserunt, aliam eorum, qui inmiserunt, nihil agi de inmissoribus nolens, quia hoc sine tormentis corporalibus a proposito nostro abhorrentibus fortasse non potest inueniri. Stoici autem tui omnes aequaliter nocentes esse concedunt, quibus placet omnia paria esse peccata; qui etiam duritiam suam, qua misericordiam uituperant, huic sententiae sociantes nullo modo censent omnibus pariter ignoscendum. sed omnes pariter esse puniendos. remoue ergo illos, quam longissime potes, a patrocinio causae istius et opta potius, ut tamquam Christiani agamus, ut, sicut optamus, nos in Christo eos, quibus parcimus, adquiramus, ne perniciosa illis dissolutione parcamus. deus misericors et uerax te felicitate uera donare dignetur.

As for the citizens of your earthly fatherland, you said that some, though not all, were innocent; yet, as you ought to notice on rereading my letter, you did not defend them. When I said, in reply to what you had written about wishing to leave your fatherland flourishing, that we had felt its thorns, not its flowers, you thought I was joking. Of course, one would like to joke amid such evils! That's exactly it! The ruins of the burned church are still smoking, and we joke about the matter! And though no innocent people occurred to me there except those who were absent, or who suffered those evils, or who had no strength or authority to prevent them, I nevertheless distinguished in my reply the more guilty from the less guilty, and set apart the case of those who feared to offend the powerful enemies of the church, of those who wished this to be committed, of those who committed it, and of those who instigated it; and I wished nothing done about the instigators, because this perhaps cannot be discovered without bodily tortures, which are abhorrent to our purpose. But your Stoics, who hold that all sins are equal, grant that all are equally guilty; and, combining with this opinion their hardness, by which they condemn mercy, they think not that all should be pardoned equally, but that all should be punished equally. Remove them, then, as far as you can, from the defence of this case, and wish rather that we may act as Christians, so that, as we wish, we may gain in Christ those whom we spare, and not spare them with a ruinous laxity. May the merciful and truthful God deign to grant you true happiness.

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Summary: Augustine was not joking about Calama's thorns while the church still smokes; he distinguished degrees of guilt and refused torture, unlike the Stoics, who would punish all equally.

  • Augustine's refusal to have the instigators discovered by torture is translated as written.

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 104.17 (CSEL 34.2:594–595; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/104-1/#p-104-17).

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