Letters 204.1–204.9

Latin text: Goldbacher, CSEL 34, 44, 57 (Latin text: Alois Goldbacher (CSEL 34, 44, 57, 1895–1911), digitized by Open Greek and Latin (csel-dev, University of Leipzig), CC BY-SA 4.0).English: Claude (claude-opus-5-5), public domain (CC0). Compare: Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers, series 1, vol. 1 (1886).

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Chapter 204

204.1CSEL 57:317–318

Non debui contemnere petitionem tuam, qua desiderasti a me institui, quem ad modum te oporteat haereticis respondere, quorum salus in domini misericordia instantia quoque tuae strenuitatis inquiritur. quamuis enim ingentes eorum multitudines. unde plurimum gratulamur, quid sibi beneficii conferatur, intellegant, quidam tamen eorum et deo et hominibus miserabili instinctu furoris ingrati, ubi suis caedibus nos uastare non possunt, suo nos exitio terrere se credunt aut suam laetitiam quaerentes de mortibus nostris aut nostram tristitiam de mortibus suis. sed non debet tot tantorumque populorum salutem furiosus error hominum impedire paucorum. quid eis uelimus, non solum deus et prudentes homines uerum etiam ipsi, cum sint nobis inimicissimi, sentiunt. cum enim sua pernicie terrendos nos putant, non dubitant nos timere. ne pereant.

I ought not to disregard your request, in which you asked me to instruct you how you should answer the heretics, whose salvation in the Lord's mercy is also being sought by the zeal of your energy. For although huge crowds of them (at which we rejoice greatly) understand what benefit is being conferred on them, some of them, by a pitiable impulse of madness ungrateful both to God and to men, when they cannot lay us waste by murdering us, believe they can frighten us by their own destruction, seeking either their own joy from our deaths or our grief from their deaths. But the mad error of a few men ought not to hinder the salvation of so many great peoples. What we wish for them, not only God and wise men but even they themselves, though they are most hostile to us, perceive; for when they think we can be frightened by their own ruin, they do not doubt that we fear lest they perish.

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Summary: Augustine replies to the tribune Dulcitius, explaining that the suicides of some Donatists should not halt the work of bringing the many back to unity.

  • Addressed to Dulcitius, the imperial tribune enforcing the laws against the Donatists in Numidia (ca. 420). The Donatists' threats of suicide and the coercive policy are described as Augustine writes them.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR slip): ingI-ati → ingrati.

Topics: Heresy

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 204.1 (CSEL 57:317–318; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/204-1/#p-204-1).

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204.2CSEL 57:318

Sed quid faciamus uidentes, quam multi adiuuante domino per occasionem uestram uiam pacis inueniant? numquid prohibere uos possumus uel debemus ab hac unitatis instantia. dum timemus. ne quidam durissimi et in se ipsos crudelissimi non nostra sed propria uoluntate se perdant? optaremus quidem, ut omnes, qui contra Christum portant signum Christi et contra euangelium de ipso euangelio, quod non intellegunt. gloriantur, a sua peruersitate discederent et nobiscum in eius unitate gauderent. sed quoniam deus occulta satis dispositione sed tamen iusta nonnullos eorum poenis praedestinauit extremis, procul dubio melius incomparabili numerositate plurimis ab illa pestifera diuisione et dispersione redintegratis atque collectis quidam suis ignibus pereunt, quam pariter uniuersi sempiternis ignibus gehennarum merito sacrilegae dissensionis ardebunt. sic enim pereuntes istos dolet ecclesia, quem ad modum rebellem filium sanctus Dauid, de cuius salute seruanda sollicita dilectione mandauerat. nam eum merito nefandae impietatis extinctum etiam testimonio lacrimosae uocis ingemuit; uerum tamen superbo et maligno discedente in locum suum populus dei. qui fuerat illius tyrannide diuisus, cognouit regem suum et de amisso filio maerorem patris perfectio consolata est unitatis.

But what are we to do, seeing how many, with the Lord's help, are finding the way of peace through the occasion you provide? Can we, or ought we to, hold you back from this pressing for unity, out of fear that some most obstinate men, most cruel to themselves, may destroy themselves, not by our will but by their own? We would indeed wish that all who carry the sign of Christ against Christ, and who glory in the very gospel, which they do not understand, against the gospel, would depart from their perversity and rejoice with us in his unity. But since God, by a disposition that is hidden indeed but still just, has predestined some of them to the extreme penalties, it is beyond doubt better that, while incomparably greater numbers are restored and gathered from that pestilent division and dispersion, some perish in their own fires, than that all alike should burn in the everlasting fires of hell, as they deserve for their sacrilegious dissension. For the Church grieves for these who perish as holy David grieved for his rebellious son, for the preservation of whose life he had given orders out of anxious love. For when he was killed, as his abominable impiety deserved, David lamented him with the witness of a tearful voice; but when the proud and wicked one had gone to his own place, the people of God, which had been divided by his tyranny, recognized its king, and the completeness of unity consoled the father's grief for the son he had lost.

2 Sam 18:5 (allusion, high confidence) · 2 Sam 18:33 (allusion, high confidence) · Acts 1:25 (echo, medium confidence)

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Summary: Augustine argues that the many returning to unity outweigh the few Donatists who kill themselves, comparing the Church's grief to David's mourning for Absalom.

  • 2 Sam 18:5, 33–19:14 (Absalom); Acts 1:25 (“his own place”). Augustine's statement that God “predestined some of them to the extreme penalties” is translated as written.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR slip: split word; stray mark from the digitization): ~ut omnes → ut omnes; extre mis → extremis.

Topics: Heresy

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 204.2 (CSEL 57:318; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/204-1/#p-204-2).

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204.3CSEL 57:318–319

Non itaque reprehendimus. domine eximie et honorabilis fili, quod tales homines apud Tamugadem prius edicto admonendos existimasti: sed quod ibi dixisti: Noueritis uos debitae neci dandos, putauerunt, sicut eorum rescripta indicant, hoc te fuisse comminatum. quod tu illos adprehensos fueras occisurus, non intellegentes de illa nece, quam sibi ipsi uolunt ingerere, te locutum. non enim tu in eos ius gladii ullis legibus accepisti aut imperialibus institutis, quorum tibi iniuncta est executio, hoc praeceptum est, ut necentur. secundo sane edicto dilectionis tuae planius, quid uolueris, aperuisti. quod autem etiam ipsum episcopum eorum putasti litteris adloquendum. humanissime ostendisti, quanta mansuetudine temperati sint in catholica ecclesia, etiam qui potestate Christiani imperatoris siue tenendo siue plectendo corrigendis praeficiuntur erroribus, nisi quod honorificentioribus eum uerbis tractasti, quam decebat haereticum.

So we do not find fault, my excellent lord and honorable son, with your thinking that such men at Thamugadi should first be admonished by an edict. But as to what you said there, “Know that you will be given over to the death you deserve,” they thought, as their replies show, that you had threatened that you would kill them once arrested, not understanding that you were speaking of that death which they wish to inflict on themselves. For you have not received the right of the sword against them by any laws, nor do the imperial ordinances whose execution has been entrusted to you command that they be put to death. In your second edict, of course, Your Charity made what you meant clearer. And in thinking that their bishop himself should be addressed by letter, you showed most humanely with what gentleness even those are tempered in the Catholic Church who by the power of the Christian emperor are set over the correction of errors, whether by detaining or by punishing; except that you treated him in more honorific words than befitted a heretic.

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Summary: Augustine approves Dulcitius's edicts at Thamugadi but notes the Donatists misread his words as a death threat, since he had no power to execute them.

  • Thamugadi (Timgad) in Numidia; its Donatist bishop was Gaudentius.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR slip: u for n): houorabilis → honorabilis.

Topics: Heresy

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 204.3 (CSEL 57:318–319; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/204-1/#p-204-3).

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204.4CSEL 57:319–320

Sed quod eius responsioni me respondere uoluisti. credo te arbitratum etiam hoc Tamugadensibus debere praestari, ut fallax doctrina ipsius, a quo seducebantur, aliquanto diligentius refellatur. uerum nos et occupatissimi sumus et in aliis plurimis opusculis nostris huius modi uaniloquia refutauimus. iam enim nescio quotiens disputando et scribendo monstrauimus non eos posse habere martyrum mortem, quia Christianorum non habent uitam, cum martyrem non faciat poena sed causa. docuimus etiam liberum arbitrium sic homini datum, ut tamen et diuinis legibus et humanis rectissime grauium supplicia constituta sint peccatorum, et pertinere ad religiosos reges terrae non solum adulteria uel homicidia uel huiusce modi alia flagitia seu facinora uerum etiam sacrilegia seueritate congrua cohibere multumque illos falli, qui putant a nobis istos tales suscipi, quales sunt. quia non eos rebaptizamus. quo modo enim tales suscipiuntur, quales sunt, cum sint haeretici et ad nos transeundo fiant catholici? neque enim propterea corda deprauata non licet corrigi quia sacramenta semel data non licet iterari.

But in wishing me to answer his reply, I believe you thought this too was owed to the people of Thamugadi, that the deceitful teaching of the one by whom they were being led astray should be refuted somewhat more carefully. But we are very busy, and we have refuted empty talk of this kind in very many other works of ours. For I do not know how many times we have already shown, in argument and in writing, that they cannot have the death of martyrs because they do not have the life of Christians, since it is not the punishment but the cause that makes a martyr. We have also taught that free will was given to man in such a way that nonetheless punishments for grave sins have been most rightly established by both divine and human laws; and that it belongs to the religious kings of the earth to restrain with fitting severity not only adulteries or murders or other such crimes and outrages, but also sacrileges; and that those are much mistaken who think we receive such people as they are, because we do not rebaptize them. For how are they received as they are, when they are heretics and by passing over to us become Catholics? For it is not the case that depraved hearts may not be corrected because sacraments once given may not be repeated.

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Summary: Augustine recalls his earlier arguments that the cause, not the punishment, makes a martyr, that rulers may punish sacrilege, and that receiving Donatists without rebaptism does not mean receiving them unchanged.

  • Augustine summarizes arguments made in his anti-Donatist works (e.g. Letters 93 and 185). His defence of imperial coercion is translated as written.

Topics: Heresy, Martyrdom, Baptism

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 204.4 (CSEL 57:319–320; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/204-1/#p-204-4).

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204.5CSEL 57:320

De mortibus autem furiosissimis, quas quidam eorum ipsi sibi inferunt, de quibus solent detestabiles et abominabiles esse multis etiam suis, quorum mentes dementatio non tanta possedit, eis secundum scripturas rationemque Christianorum saepe respondimus. quoniam scriptum est: Qui sibi nequam est, cui bonus est? aut certe in eisdem positum temptationibus mori uolentem occidat et proximum. qui sibi expedire et licere putat occidere se ipsum, quoniam scriptura dicit: Diliges proximum tuum tamquam te ipsum. nullis autem iubentibus legibus uel legitimis potestatibus non licere alterum occidere etiam uolentem et petentem et uiuere iam non ualentem satis indicat scriptura regnorum, ubi rex Dauid regis Saulis interfectorem iussit occidi, cum ille dixisset ab eo iam saucio atque semiuiuo petitum se fuisse. ut hoc faceret et animam corporis nexibus obluctantem soluique cupientem uno ictu uulneris ab illis cruciatibus liberaret. proinde quia omnis, qui sine ulla legitimae potestatis auctoritate hominem occidit, homicida est, quisquis se ipsum occidit, non sit homicida, si homo non est. haec omnia multis modis in aliis pluribus nostris sermonibus et litteris diximus

As for the most frenzied deaths that some of them inflict on themselves, for which they are commonly held detestable and abominable even by many of their own, whose minds such madness has not possessed, we have often answered them according to the Scriptures and Christian reason; for it is written, “He who is evil to himself, to whom will he be good?” Or certainly, let one who thinks it expedient and lawful for himself to kill himself, when placed in the same temptations, kill his neighbor too if he wishes to die, since Scripture says, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” But that it is not lawful, without the command of laws or lawful authorities, to kill another, even one who wishes and asks for it and can no longer live, the scripture of the Kingdoms shows clearly enough, where King David ordered the slayer of King Saul to be killed, although he had said that Saul, already wounded and half alive, had asked him to do this and to free with a single blow from those torments a soul struggling with the bonds of the body and longing to be released. Accordingly, since everyone who kills a human being without the authority of any lawful power is a murderer, whoever kills himself is not a murderer only if he is not a human being. All this we have said in many ways in many other sermons and letters of ours.

Matt 22:39 (quotation, high confidence) · Lev 19:18 (quotation, high confidence) · 2 Sam 1:6–16 (allusion, high confidence)

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Summary: Augustine argues from Scripture that suicide is murder, since even killing a dying man at his request is forbidden.

  • Sir 14:5 (Sirach is outside the 66 books); Matt 22:39 (Lev 19:18); 2 Sam 1:6–16 (the Amalekite who claimed to have killed Saul).

Extrabiblical texts: Sir 14:5 (Sirach [in RC, EO, ETH canons]; quotation)

Topics: Ethics

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 204.5 (CSEL 57:320; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/204-1/#p-204-5).

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204.6CSEL 57:320–321

Verum tamen, quod fatendum est, de isto Raxio seniore. quem summa exemplorum inopia coartati se in Machabaeorum libris quasi ad auctoritatem sceleris, quo se ipsos perdunt. perscrutatis omnibus ecclesiasticis auctoritatibus uix aliquando se inuenisse gloriantur, adhuc eis numquam respondisse me recolo. sed. quod tuae caritati et prudentibus quibusque sufficiat ad istos redarguendos, si ad uitam christianorum de Iudaea gente atque illis litteris parati sunt omnium factorum exempla transferre, tunc et hoc transferant. si autem sunt illic plurima eorum quoque hominum, qui litterarum illarum ueritate laudati sunt. uel huic iam tempori non conuenientia uel etiam illo tempore non recte facta, tale etiam hoc est, quod in se ipsum Raxius iste commisit. qui cum esset apud suos nobilis et multum in Iudaismo profecisset, quae sibi in comparatione iustitiae Christianae damna et stercora fuisse dicit apostolus, et propter haec idem Raxius Iudaeorum pater appellaretur, quid mirum est, si tamquam homini elatio superba subrepsit. ut mallet manu propria perimi quam post illam in suorum aspectibus celsitudinem sustinere indignam in hostium manibus seruitutem?

Nevertheless, I must admit that I do not recall having ever yet answered them about that elder Razis, whom, constrained by an extreme lack of examples, they boast that they have scarcely at last found in the books of the Maccabees, after searching all the church's authorities, as an authority for the crime by which they destroy themselves. But here is what may suffice for Your Charity and for all prudent people to refute them: if they are prepared to carry over to the life of Christians examples of all the deeds of the Jewish people and of those writings, then let them carry over this one too. But if there are very many deeds there, even of those men who are praised by the truth of those writings, which are either not suited to this present time or were not rightly done even at that time, of that kind too is what this Razis committed against himself. Since he was noble among his own people and had advanced far in Judaism (which the apostle says were losses and refuse to him in comparison with Christian righteousness), and since for these reasons this same Razis was called father of the Jews, what wonder is it if, as a man, proud elation crept in on him, so that he preferred to die by his own hand rather than, after that eminence in the sight of his people, endure unworthy slavery in the hands of his enemies?

Phil 3:7–8 (allusion, high confidence) · Gal 1:14 (echo, medium confidence)

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Summary: Augustine answers the Donatists' appeal to Razis in 2 Maccabees by arguing that not every deed recorded in Scripture is to be imitated, and that Razis acted from pride.

  • 2 Macc 14:37–46 (Razis); Phil 3:7–8; Gal 1:14. Augustine's remarks on Judaism are translated as written.

Extrabiblical texts: 2 Macc 14:37–46 (2 Maccabees [in RC, EO canons]; allusion)

Topics: Ethics, Scripture and canon

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 204.6 (CSEL 57:320–321; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/204-1/#p-204-6).

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204.7CSEL 57:321–322

Solent in litteris gentium ista laudari. in his autem Machabaeorum libris quamuis homo fuerit ipse laudatus, factum tamen eius narratum est, non laudatum, et iudicandum potius quam imitandum ante oculos constitutum, non sane nostro iudicio iudicandum, quod nos quoque ut homines habere possemus, sed iudicio doctrinae sobriae, quae in ipsis quoque libris ueteribus clara est. longe quippe fuit iste Raxius a uerbis illis, ubi legitur: Omne, quod tibi applicitum fuerit, accipe et in dolore sustine et in humilitate tua patientiam habe. non ergo fuit iste uir eligendae mortis sapiens sed ferendae humilitatis inpatiens.

Such deeds are often praised in the literature of the Gentiles. But in these books of the Maccabees, although the man himself was praised, his deed was narrated, not praised, and set before our eyes to be judged rather than imitated; to be judged, of course, not by our own judgment, which we too as human beings could have, but by the judgment of sober teaching, which is clear even in those ancient books themselves. For this Razis was far from those words where we read: “Accept whatever is brought upon you, and endure it in pain, and in your humiliation have patience.” So this man was not wise in choosing death, but impatient in bearing humiliation.

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Summary: Augustine says Scripture narrates rather than praises Razis's suicide, and that by Sirach's standard he showed impatience rather than wisdom.

  • Sir 2:4.

Extrabiblical texts: 2 Macc 14:37–46 (2 Maccabees [in RC, EO canons]; allusion); Sir 2:4 (Sirach [in RC, EO, ETH canons]; quotation)

Topics: Ethics, Scripture and canon

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 204.7 (CSEL 57:321–322; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/204-1/#p-204-7).

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204.8CSEL 57:322

Scriptum est, quod uoluerit nobiliter et uiriliter mori; sed numquid ideo sapienter? nobiliter scilicet, ne libertatem sui generis captiuus amitteret, uiriliter autem, quod tantas uires animi haberet, quibus idoneus esset, ut se ipse perimeret. quod gladio cum implere non posset, de muro se praecipitem dedit et sic adhuc uiuus abruptam cucurrit ad petram atque ibi iam exanguis intestina sua produxit, quae utraque manu dissipata spargebat in populum, ac deinde postea defessus occubuit. magna sunt haec nec tamen bona; non enim bonum est omne, quod magnum est, quoniam sunt magna etiam mala. deus dixit: Innocentem et iustum ne occidas. si ergo iste innocens et iustus non fuit, cur proponitur imitandus? si autem innocens et iustus fuit. quare interfector innocentis et iusti, id est ipsius Raxii insuper putatur esse laudandus?

It is written that he wished to die nobly and manfully; but does that mean wisely? Nobly, that is, so as not to lose the freedom of his birth as a captive; manfully, because he had such strength of mind as made him able to kill himself. When he could not accomplish it with the sword, he threw himself headlong from the wall, and so, still alive, ran to a steep rock, and there, already drained of blood, he drew out his entrails, and, tearing them apart with both hands, scattered them on the people, and then afterward, exhausted, he fell dead. These things are great, yet not good; for not everything that is great is good, since there are great evils too. God said, “Do not kill the innocent and the righteous.” If, then, this man was not innocent and righteous, why is he set forth to be imitated? But if he was innocent and righteous, why is the killer of an innocent and righteous man, that is, of Razis himself, thought to be praiseworthy besides?

Exod 23:7 (quotation, high confidence)

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Summary: Augustine argues that Razis's death, though great, was not good, since either he was not righteous or his killing himself was the killing of a righteous man.

  • 2 Macc 14:42–46; Exod 23:7.

Extrabiblical texts: 2 Macc 14:42–46 (2 Maccabees [in RC, EO canons]; allusion)

Topics: Ethics

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 204.8 (CSEL 57:322; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/204-1/#p-204-8).

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204.9CSEL 57:322–323

Haec interim, ne nimium prolixa fiat, huic epistulae implendae satis sint. debeo autem Tamugadensibus eius modi ministerium caritatis, quoniam mihi et uoto tuo et ab honorabili et carissimo filio meo Eleusino, qui tribunatum apud eos egit, bene insinuati sunt, ut ambabus epistulis Gaudentii, Donatistarum episcopi, et maxime posteriori, quam secundum scripturas sacras se fecisse arbitratur, ita respondeam, ne aliquid praetermissum putetur.

Let this suffice for the present to fill this letter, so that it does not become too long. But I owe the people of Thamugadi a service of love of this kind, since they have been well commended to me both by your wish and by my honorable and dearest son Eleusinus, who served as tribune among them: namely, to reply to both letters of Gaudentius, the bishop of the Donatists, and above all to the second, which he thinks he composed according to the holy Scriptures, in such a way that nothing may be thought to have been passed over.

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Summary: Augustine promises the people of Thamugadi a full reply to both letters of Gaudentius, the Donatist bishop.

  • The reply is Augustine's Against Gaudentius (Contra Gaudentium).

Topics: Heresy

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 204.9 (CSEL 57:322–323; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/204-1/#p-204-9).

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