Oration to the Greeks 31–42

Greek text: Otto, CorpApol 6 (Greek text: J. C. T. Otto, Tatiani Oratio ad Graecos (Corpus apologetarum Christianorum saeculi secundi 6, 1851), digitized by the Perseus Digital Library and published by the First Thousand Years of Greek project (Open Greek and Latin), CC BY-SA 4.0).English: Claude (claude-opus-5-5), public domain (CC0). Compare: Ante-Nicene Fathers, vol. 2 (1885).

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Chapter 31

31Otto 6:118–126

Νῦν δὲ προσῆκον μοι νομίζω παραστῆσαι πρεσβυτέραν τὴν ἡμετέραν φιλοσοφίαν τῶν παρʼ Ἕλλησιν ἐπιτηδευμάτων. Ὅροι δὲ ἡμῖν κείσονται Μωυσῆς καὶ Ὅμηρος, τῷ ἑκάτερον αὐτῶν εἶναι παλαιότερον, καὶ τὸν μὲν ποιητῶν καὶ ἱστορικῶν εἶναι πρεσβύτερον, τὸν δὲ πάσης βαρβάρου σοφίας ἀρχηγόν. Καὶ ὑφʼ ἡμῶν νῦν εἰς σύγκρισιν παραλαμβανέσθωσαν· εὑρήσομεν γὰρ οὐ μόνον τῆς Ἑλλήνων παιδείας τὰ παρʼ ἡμῖν ἀλλὰ ἔτι καὶ τῆς τῶν γραμμάτων εὑρέσεως ἀνώτερα. Μάρτυρας δὲ οὐ τοὺς οἴκοι παραλήψομαι, βοηθοῖς δὲ μᾶλλον Ἕλλησι χρήσομαι· τὸ μὲν γὰρ ἄγνωμον, ὅτι μηδὲ ὑφʼ ὑμῶν παραδεκτέον, τὸ δʼ ἂν ἀποδεικνύηται θαυμαστόν, ὅταν ὑμῖν διὰ τῶν ὑμετέρων ὅπλων ἀντερείδων ἀνυπόπτους παρʼ ὑμῶν τοὺς ἐλέγχους λαμβάνω. Περὶ γὰρ τῆς ποιήσεως τοῦ Ὁμήρου, γένους τε αὐτοῦ καὶ χρόνου καθʼ ὃν ἤκμασεν, προηρεύνησαν οἱ πρεσβύτατοι, Θεαγένης τε ὁ Ῥηγῖνος κατὰ Καμβύσην γεγονώς, Στησίμβροτός τε ὁ Θάσιος καὶ Ἀντίμαχος ὁ Κολοφώνιος, Ἡρόδοτός τε ὁ Ἁλικαρνασσεὺς καὶ Διονύσιος ὁ Ὀλύνθιος· μετʼ ἐκείνους Ἔφορος ὁ Κυμαῖος καὶ Φιλόχορος ὁ Ἀθηναῖος, Μεγακλείδης τε καὶ Χαμαιλέων οἱ Περιπατητικοί· ἔπειτα γραμματικοὶ Ζηνόδοτος, Ἀριστοφάνης, Καλλίμαχος, Κράτης, Ἐρατοσθένης, Ἀρίσταρχος, Ἀπολλόδωρος. Τούτων δὲ οἱ περὶ Κράτητα πρὸ τῆς Ἡρακλειδῶν καθόδου φασὶν αὐτὸν ἠκμακέναι, μετὰ τὰ Τρωϊκὰ ἐνδοτέρω τῶν ὀγδοήκοντα ἐτῶν· οἱ δὲ περὶ Ἐρατοσθένη μετὰ ἑκατοστὸν ἔτος τῆς Ἰλίου ἁλώσεως· οἱ δὲ περὶ Ἀρίσταρχον κατὰ τὴν Ἰωνικὴν ἀποικίαν, ἥ ἐστι μετὰ ἑκατὸν καὶ τεσσαράκοντα ἔτη τῶν Ἰλιακῶν· Φιλόχορος δὲ μετὰ τὴν Ἰωνικὴν ἀποικίαν, ἐπὶ ἄρχοντος Ἀθήνῃσιν Ἀρχίππου, τῶν Ἰλιακῶν ὕστερον ἔτεσιν ἑκατὸν ὀγδοήκοντα· οἱ δὲ περὶ Ἀπολλόδωρον μετὰ τὴν Ἰωνικὴν ἀποικίαν ἔτεσιν ἑκατόν, ὅπερ γένοιτο ἂν ὕστερον τῶν Ἰλιακῶν ἔτεσι διακοσίοις τεσσαράκοντα. Τινὲς δὲ πρὸ τῶν ὀλυμπιάδων ἔφασαν αὐτὸν γεγονέναι ἔτεσιν ἐνενήκοντα, τουτέστι μετὰ τὴν Ἰλίου ἅλωσιν ἔτεσι τριακοσίοις ἑπτακαίδεκα· ἕτεροι δὲ κάτω τὸν χρόνον ὑπήγαγον, σὺν Ἀρχιλόχῳ γεγονέναι τὸν Ὅμηρον εἰπόντες· ὁ δὲ Ἀρχίλοχος ἤκμασε περὶ ὀλυμπιάδα τρίτην καὶ εἰκοστήν, κατὰ Γύγην τὸν Λυδόν, τῶν Ἰλιακῶν ὕστερον ἔτεσι πεντακοσίοις. Καὶ περὶ μὲν τοῦ χρόνου τοῦ προειρημένου ποιητοῦ, λέγω δὲ Ὁμήρου, συστάσεως τε καὶ τῶν εἰπόντων περὶ αὐτοῦ ἀσυμφωνίας τοῖς ἐπʼ ἀκριβὲς ἐξετάζειν δυναμένοις αὐτάρκως ἡμῖν ὡς ἐπὶ κεφαλαίων εἰρήσθω. Δυνατὸν γὰρ ψευδεῖς ἀποφήνασθαι καὶ τὰς περὶ τοὺς λόγους δόξας. Παρʼ οἷς γὰρ ἀσυνάρτητός ἐστιν ἡ τῶν χρόνων ἀναγραφή, παρὰ τούτοις οὐδὲ τὰ τῆς ἱστορίας ἀληθεύειν δυνατόν. Τί γὰρ τὸ αἴτιον τῆς ἐν τῷ γράφειν πλάνης, εἰ μὴ τὸ συντάττειν τὰ μὴ ἀληθῆ;

Nyn de prosēkon moi nomizō parastēsai presbyteran tēn hēmeteran philosophian tōn parʼ Hellēsin epitēdeumatōn. Horoi de hēmin keisontai Mōysēs kai Homēros, tǭ hekateron autōn einai palaioteron, kai ton men poiētōn kai historikōn einai presbyteron, ton de pasēs barbarou sophias archēgon. Kai hyphʼ hēmōn nyn eis synkrisin paralambanesthōsan; heurēsomen gar ou monon tēs Hellēnōn paideias ta parʼ hēmin alla eti kai tēs tōn grammatōn heureseōs anōtera. Martyras de ou tous oikoi paralēpsomai, boēthois de mallon Hellēsi chrēsomai; to men gar agnōmon, hoti mēde hyphʼ hymōn paradekteon, to dʼ an apodeiknyētai thaumaston, hotan hymin dia tōn hymeterōn hoplōn antereidōn anypoptous parʼ hymōn tous elenchous lambanō. Peri gar tēs poiēseōs tou Homērou, genous te autou kai chronou kathʼ hon ēkmasen, proēreunēsan hoi presbytatoi, Theagenēs te ho Rhēginos kata Kambysēn gegonōs, Stēsimbrotos te ho Thasios kai Antimachos ho Kolophōnios, Hērodotos te ho Halikarnasseus kai Dionysios ho Olynthios; metʼ ekeinous Ephoros ho Kymaios kai Philochoros ho Athēnaios, Megakleidēs te kai Chamaileōn hoi Peripatētikoi; epeita grammatikoi Zēnodotos, Aristophanēs, Kallimachos, Kratēs, Eratosthenēs, Aristarchos, Apollodōros. Toutōn de hoi peri Kratēta pro tēs Hērakleidōn kathodou phasin auton ēkmakenai, meta ta Trōïka endoterō tōn ogdoēkonta etōn; hoi de peri Eratosthenē meta hekatoston etos tēs Iliou halōseōs; hoi de peri Aristarchon kata tēn Iōnikēn apoikian, hē esti meta hekaton kai tessarakonta etē tōn Iliakōn; Philochoros de meta tēn Iōnikēn apoikian, epi archontos Athēnę̄sin Archippou, tōn Iliakōn hysteron etesin hekaton ogdoēkonta; hoi de peri Apollodōron meta tēn Iōnikēn apoikian etesin hekaton, hoper genoito an hysteron tōn Iliakōn etesi diakosiois tessarakonta. Tines de pro tōn olympiadōn ephasan auton gegonenai etesin enenēkonta, toutesti meta tēn Iliou halōsin etesi triakosiois heptakaideka; heteroi de katō ton chronon hypēgagon, syn Archilochǭ gegonenai ton Homēron eipontes; ho de Archilochos ēkmase peri olympiada tritēn kai eikostēn, kata Gygēn ton Lydon, tōn Iliakōn hysteron etesi pentakosiois. Kai peri men tou chronou tou proeirēmenou poiētou, legō de Homērou, systaseōs te kai tōn eipontōn peri autou asymphōnias tois epʼ akribes exetazein dynamenois autarkōs hēmin hōs epi kephalaiōn eirēsthō. Dynaton gar pseudeis apophēnasthai kai tas peri tous logous doxas. Parʼ hois gar asynartētos estin hē tōn chronōn anagraphē, para toutois oude ta tēs historias alētheuein dynaton. Ti gar to aition tēs en tǭ graphein planēs, ei mē to syntattein ta mē alēthē?

Now I think it proper to show that our philosophy is older than the pursuits of the Greeks. Moses and Homer will serve as our landmarks, since each of them is very ancient, the one the oldest of poets and historians, the other the founder of all barbarian wisdom. Let us now take them for comparison; for we shall find that our teachings are older not only than the culture of the Greeks, but even than the invention of letters. I will not take witnesses from among our own people, but will rather use Greeks as my helpers. The former would be unreasonable, since you would not accept them; but the latter would be a remarkable proof, when I fight you with your own weapons and obtain from you evidence that is beyond suspicion. The oldest writers have inquired into the poetry of Homer, his family, and the time in which he flourished: Theagenes of Rhegium, who lived in the time of Cambyses, Stesimbrotus of Thasos, Antimachus of Colophon, Herodotus of Halicarnassus, and Dionysius of Olynthus; after them Ephorus of Cyme and Philochorus of Athens, and the Peripatetics Megaclides and Chamaeleon; then the grammarians Zenodotus, Aristophanes, Callimachus, Crates, Eratosthenes, Aristarchus, and Apollodorus. Of these, Crates and his school say that Homer flourished before the return of the Heraclids, within eighty years after the Trojan War; Eratosthenes and his school, after the hundredth year from the capture of Troy; Aristarchus and his school, at the time of the Ionian migration, which was 140 years after the Trojan War; Philochorus, after the Ionian migration, when Archippus was archon at Athens, 180 years after the Trojan War; Apollodorus and his school, 100 years after the Ionian migration, which would be 240 years after the Trojan War. Some have said that he lived 90 years before the Olympiads, that is, 317 years after the capture of Troy; others brought the date lower, saying that Homer lived at the same time as Archilochus; and Archilochus flourished about the twenty-third Olympiad, in the time of Gyges the Lydian, 500 years after the Trojan War. Concerning the date of that poet, I mean Homer, his origin, and the disagreement among those who have written about him, let this summary suffice for those able to examine the matter precisely. For it is possible to show that the opinions about his poems are also false: where the record of dates is inconsistent, the historical accounts cannot be true either. For what is the cause of error in writing, if not setting down what is untrue?

Notes and citation

Summary: Tatian begins his proof that Moses is older than Homer by showing that the Greeks cannot even agree on when Homer lived.

  • Chapters 31–41 argue from chronology that Moses is older than all Greek culture, an argument later used by Clement of Alexandria and Eusebius.
  • The Greek text has Φιλόχορος with a small letter; it is capitalized here as a name.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (proper name printed with a small letter): φιλόχορος δὲ μετὰ → Φιλόχορος δὲ μετὰ.

Topics: Scripture and canon

Cite (SBL): Tatian, Or. Graec. 31 (Otto 6:118–126; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/tatian-oration/31).

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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Greek text of Otto (1851); made independently of existing English translations.

Chapter 32

32Otto 6:126–128

Παρʼ ἡμῖν δὲ τῆς μὲν κενοδοξίας ὁ ἵμερος οὐκ ἔστι, δογμάτων δὲ ποικιλίαις οὐ καταχρώμεθα. Λόγου γὰρ τοῦ δημοσίου καὶ ἐπιγείου κεχωρισμένοι, καὶ πειθόμενοι θεοῦ παραγγέλμασι καὶ νόμῳ πατρὸς ἀφθαρσίας ἑπόμενοι, πᾶν τὸ ἐν δόξῃ κείμενον ἀνθρωπίνῃ παραιτούμεθα. Φιλοσοφοῦσί τε οὐ μόνον οἱ πλουτοῦντες, ἀλλὰ καὶ οἱ πένητες προῖκα τῆς διδασκαλίας ἀπολαύουσι· τὰ γὰρ παρὰ θεοῦ τῆς ἐν κόσμῳ δωρεᾶς ὑπερπαίει τὴν ἀμοιβήν. Τοὺς δὲ ἀκροᾶσθαι βουλομένους πάντας οὕτως προσιέμεθα, κἂν πρεσβύτιδες ὦσι κἂν μειράκια, πᾶσά τε ἁπαξαπλῶς ἡλικία παρʼ ἡμῖν τυγχάνει τιμῆς· τὰ δὲ τῆς ἀσελγείας πόῤῥω κεχώρισται. Καὶ ἡμεῖς μὲν λέγοντες οὐ ψευδόμεθα. Τὰ δὲ τῆς ὑμετέρας περὶ τὴν ἀπιστίαν ἐπιμονῆς καλὸν μὲν εἰ λαμβάνοι περιγραφήν· εἰ δʼ οὐ, τὰ ἡμέτερα ἔστω θεοῦ γνώμῃ βεβαιούμενα. Γελᾶτε δὲ ὑμεῖς, ὡς καὶ κλαύσοντες. Πῶς γὰρ οὐκ ἄτοπον Νέστορα μὲν καθʼ ὑμᾶς, τῶν ἵππων τὰς παρηορίας βραδέως ἀποτέμνοντα διὰ τὸ ἄτονον καὶ νωθὲς τῆς ἡλικίας, θαυμάζεσθαι πειρώμενον ἐπʼ ἴσης τοῖς νέοις πολεμεῖν, τοὺς δὲ παρʼ ἡμῖν τῷ γήρᾳ παλαίοντας καὶ τὰ περὶ θεοῦ πραγματευομένους γελᾶσθαι; Τίς δὲ οὐκ ἂν γελάσειεν Ἀμαζόνας μὲν καὶ Σεμίραμιν καί τινας ἄλλας πολεμικὰς φασκόντων ὑμῶν γεγονέναι, τὰς δὲ παρʼ ἡμῖν παρθένους λοιδορούντων; Μειράκιον ἦν ὁ Ἀχιλλεύς, καὶ γενναῖος εἶναι πεπίστευται σφόδρα· καὶ ὁ Νεοπτόλεμος νεώτερος, ἀλλὰ ἱσχυρὸς ἦν· Φιλοκτήτης ἀσθενής, ἀλλʼ ἔχρῃζεν αὐτοῦ κατὰ Τροίας τὸ δαιμόνιον. Ὁ Θερσίτης ὁποῖος ἦν; Ἀλλʼ ἐστρατήγει· τὸ δʼ ἀμετροεπὲς εἰ μὴ προσῆν αὐτῷ διὰ τὴν ἀμαθίαν, οὐκ ἂν ὡς φοξὸς καὶ ψεδνὸς διεβάλλετο. Πάντες οἱ βουλόμενοι φιλοσοφεῖν παρʼ ἡμῖν ἄνθρωποι οὐ τὸ ὁρώμενον δοκιμάζομεν, οὐδὲ τοὺς προσιόντας ἡμῖν ἀπὸ σχήματος κρίνομεν· τὸ γὰρ τῆς γνώμης ἐῤῥωμένον παρὰ πᾶσιν εἶναι δύνασθαι λελογίσμεθα, κἂν ἀσθενεῖς ὦσι τοῖς σώμασι. Τὰ δὲ ὑμέτερα φθόνου μεστὰ καὶ βλακείας πολλῆς.

Parʼ hēmin de tēs men kenodoxias ho himeros ouk esti, dogmatōn de poikiliais ou katachrōmetha. Logou gar tou dēmosiou kai epigeiou kechōrismenoi, kai peithomenoi theou parangelmasi kai nomǭ patros aphtharsias hepomenoi, pan to en doxę̄ keimenon anthrōpinę̄ paraitoumetha. Philosophousi te ou monon hoi ploutountes, alla kai hoi penētes proika tēs didaskalias apolauousi; ta gar para theou tēs en kosmǭ dōreas hyperpaiei tēn amoibēn. Tous de akroasthai boulomenous pantas houtōs prosiemetha, kan presbytides ōsi kan meirakia, pasa te hapaxaplōs hēlikia parʼ hēmin tynchanei timēs; ta de tēs aselgeias porrhō kechōristai. Kai hēmeis men legontes ou pseudometha. Ta de tēs hymeteras peri tēn apistian epimonēs kalon men ei lambanoi perigraphēn; ei dʼ ou, ta hēmetera estō theou gnōmę̄ bebaioumena. Gelate de hymeis, hōs kai klausontes. Pōs gar ouk atopon Nestora men kathʼ hymas, tōn hippōn tas parēorias bradeōs apotemnonta dia to atonon kai nōthes tēs hēlikias, thaumazesthai peirōmenon epʼ isēs tois neois polemein, tous de parʼ hēmin tǭ gērą palaiontas kai ta peri theou pragmateuomenous gelasthai? Tis de ouk an gelaseien Amazonas men kai Semiramin kai tinas allas polemikas phaskontōn hymōn gegonenai, tas de parʼ hēmin parthenous loidorountōn? Meirakion ēn ho Achilleus, kai gennaios einai pepisteutai sphodra; kai ho Neoptolemos neōteros, alla hischyros ēn; Philoktētēs asthenēs, allʼ echrę̄zen autou kata Troias to daimonion. Ho Thersitēs hopoios ēn? Allʼ estratēgei; to dʼ ametroepes ei mē prosēn autǭ dia tēn amathian, ouk an hōs phoxos kai psednos dieballeto. Pantes hoi boulomenoi philosophein parʼ hēmin anthrōpoi ou to horōmenon dokimazomen, oude tous prosiontas hēmin apo schēmatos krinomen; to gar tēs gnōmēs errhōmenon para pasin einai dynasthai lelogismetha, kan astheneis ōsi tois sōmasi. Ta de hymetera phthonou mesta kai blakeias pollēs.

Among us there is no longing for vainglory, and we do not deal in a variety of opinions. For having separated ourselves from common and earthly reasoning, obeying the commands of God and following the law of the Father of incorruption, we reject everything that rests on human opinion. Not only the rich among us pursue philosophy; the poor too enjoy our teaching free of charge, for what comes from God surpasses any recompense in worldly gifts. So we admit all who wish to listen, even if they are old women or youths; in short, every age is honored among us, while all licentiousness is kept far away. And when we speak we do not lie. As for your persistence in unbelief, it would be well if it came to an end; but if not, let our teachings stand confirmed by the judgment of God. You laugh, but you will weep. For how is it not absurd that you admire Nestor, who was slow to cut the traces of his horses because of the weakness and sluggishness of his age, for trying to fight on equal terms with the young, while those among us who wrestle with old age and busy themselves with the things of God are laughed at? And who would not laugh when you say that there were Amazons, and Semiramis, and certain other warlike women, while you revile our virgins? Achilles was a youth, and he is believed to have been very noble; Neoptolemus was younger still, but strong; Philoctetes was sick, but the divine power needed him against Troy. What sort of man was Thersites? Yet he was a commander; and if his unbridled tongue had not come from his ignorance, he would not have been mocked as pointy-headed and bald. All of us who wish to pursue philosophy do not judge by appearances, nor do we judge those who come to us by their looks; for we reckon that strength of mind can be found in all, even if they are weak in body. But your ways are full of envy and great stupidity.

Luke 6:25 (echo, medium confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: Christian teaching is free and open to rich and poor, old women and youths alike; the Greeks, who admire old Nestor and warrior women, mock Christian elders and virgins.

  • “You laugh, but you will weep” echoes Luke 6:25.
  • Nestor cutting his horse's traces: Iliad 8.87–88. Thersites described as pointy-headed and bald: Iliad 2.219. Homer makes Thersites a common soldier; “he was a commander” is Tatian's word (ἐστρατήγει).

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (wrong accent: εἷναι for εἶναι): γενναῖος εἷναι → γενναῖος εἶναι.

Extrabiblical texts: Homer, Il. 8.87 (Homer, Iliad; allusion); Homer, Il. 2.219 (Homer, Iliad; allusion)

Topics: Women

Cite (SBL): Tatian, Or. Graec. 32 (Otto 6:126–128; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/tatian-oration/32).

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Chapter 33

33Otto 6:128–132

Διὰ τοῦτο προεθυμήθην ἀπὸ τῶν νομιζομένων παρʼ ὑμῖν τιμίων παριστᾶν ὅτι τὰ μὲν ἡμέτερα σωφρονεῖ, τὰ δὲ ὑμέτερα ἔθη μανίας ἔχεται πολλῆς. Οἱ γὰρ ἐν γυναιξὶ καὶ μειρακίοις, παρθένοις τε καὶ πρεσβύταις φλυαρεῖν ἡμᾶς λέγοντες, καὶ διὰ τὸ μὴ σὺν ὑμῖν εἶναι χλευάζοντες, ἀκούσατε τῶν παρʼ Ἑλλήνων πραγμάτων τὸν λῆρον. Ληραίνει γὰρ διὰ δόξης μᾶλλον πολλῆς τῶν παρʼ ὑμῖν θεῶν τὰ ἐπιτηδεύματα, καὶ διὰ τῆς γυναικωνίτιδος ἀσχημονεῖτε. Πράξιλλαν μὲν γὰρ Λύσιππος ἐχαλκούργησεν, μηδὲν εἰποῦσαν διὰ τῶν ποιημάτων χρήσιμον, Λεαρχίδα δὲ Μενέστρατος, Σιλανίων δὲ Σαπφὼ τὴν ἑταίραν, Ἤρινναν τὴν Λεσβίαν Ναυκύδης, Βοΐσκος Μυρτίδα, Μυρὼ τὴν Βυζαντίαν Κηφισόδοτος, Γόμφος Πραξιγορίδα καὶ Ἀμφίστρατος Κλειτώ. Τί γὰρ μοι περὶ Ἀνύτης λέγειν, Τελεσίλλης τε καὶ Μυστίδος; Τῆς μὲν γὰρ Εὐθυκράτης τε καὶ Κηφισόδοτος, τῆς δὲ Νικήρατος, τῆς δὲ Ἀριστόδοτός εἰσιν οἱ δημιουργοί· Μνησιαρχίδος τῆς Ἐφεσίας Εὐθυκράτης, Κορίννης Σιλανίων, Θαλαρχίδος τῆς Ἀργείας Εὐθυκράτης. Ταύτας δὲ εἰπεῖν προυθυμήθην, ἵνα μηδὲ παρʼ ἡμῖν ξένον τι πράττεσθαι νομίζητε, καὶ συγκρίναντες τὰ ὑπʼ ὄψιν ἐπιτηδεύματα μὴ χλευάζητε τὰς παρʼ ἡμῖν φιλοσοφούσας. Καὶ ἡ μὲν Σαπφὼ γύναιον πορνικὸν ἐρωτομανές, καὶ τὴν ἑαυτῆς ἀσέλγειαν ᾄδει· πᾶσαι δὲ αἱ παρʼ ἡμῖν σωφρονοῦσι, καὶ περὶ τὰς ἠλακάτας αἱ παρθένοι τὰ κατὰ θεὸν λαλοῦσιν ἐκφωνήματα τῆς παρʼ ὑμῖν παιδὸς σπουδαιότερον. Τούτου χάριν αἰδέσθητε, μαθηταὶ μὲν ὑμεῖς τῶν γυναίων εὑρισκόμενοι, τὰς δὲ σὺν ἡμῖν πολιτευομένας σὺν τῇ μετʼ αὐτῶν πανηγύρει χλευάζοντες. Τί γὰρ ὑμῖν ἡ Γλαυκίππη σεμνὸν εἰσηγήσατο παιδίον, ἥτις τεράστιον ἐγέννησεν, καθὼς δείκνυσιν αὐτῆς ἡ εἰκών, Νικηράτου τοῦ Εὐκτήμονος Ἀθηναίου τὸ γένος χαλκεύσαντος; Εἰ γὰρ ἐκύησεν ἐλέφαντα, τί τὸ αἴτιον τοῦ δημοσίας ἀπολαύσαι τιμῆς τὴν Γλαυκίππην; Φρύνην τε τὴν ἑταίραν ὑμῖν Πραξιτέλης καὶ Ἡρόδοτος πεποιήκασι, καὶ Παντευχίδα συλλαμβάνουσαν ἐκ φθορέως Εὐθυκράτης ἐχαλκούργησεν. Βησαντίδα, τὴν Παιόνων βασίλισσαν, ὅτι παιδίον μέλαν ἐκύησε, Δεινομένης διὰ τῆς ἑαυτοῦ τέχνης μνημονεύεσθαι παρεσκεύασεν. Ἐγὼ καὶ Πυθαγόρου κατέγνωκα, τὴν Εὐρώπην ἐπὶ τοῦ ταύρου καθιδρύσαντος, καὶ ὑμῶν, οἵτινες τοῦ Διὸς τὸν κατήγορον διὰ τὴν ἐκείνου τέχνην τετιμήκατε. Γελῶ καὶ τὴν Μύρωνος ἐπιστήμην ποιήσαντος μόσχον, ἐπὶ δὲ αὐτοῦ Νίκην, ὅτι τὴν Ἀγήνορος ἁρπάσας θυγατέρα μοιχείας καὶ ἀκρασίας βραβεῖον ἀπηνέγκατο. Τὴν Γλυκέραν τὴν ἑταίραν καὶ Ἀργείαν τὴν ψάλτριαν ὁ Ὀλύνθιος Ἡρόδοτος κατεσκεύασεν. Βρύαξις Πασιφάην ἔστησεν, ἧς τὴν ἀσέλγειαν μνημονεύσαντες μονονουχὶ καὶ τὰς γυναῖκας τὰς νῦν τοιαύτας εἶναι προῄρησθε. Μελανίππη τις ἦν σοφή· διὰ τοῦτο ταύτην ὁ Λυσίστρατος ἐδημιούργησεν. Ἦ ὑμεῖς δὲ εἶναι παρʼ ἡμῖν σοφὰς οὐ πεπιστεύκατε.

Dia touto proethymēthēn apo tōn nomizomenōn parʼ hymin timiōn paristan hoti ta men hēmetera sōphronei, ta de hymetera ethē manias echetai pollēs. Hoi gar en gynaixi kai meirakiois, parthenois te kai presbytais phlyarein hēmas legontes, kai dia to mē syn hymin einai chleuazontes, akousate tōn parʼ Hellēnōn pragmatōn ton lēron. Lērainei gar dia doxēs mallon pollēs tōn parʼ hymin theōn ta epitēdeumata, kai dia tēs gynaikōnitidos aschēmoneite. Praxillan men gar Lysippos echalkourgēsen, mēden eipousan dia tōn poiēmatōn chrēsimon, Learchida de Menestratos, Silaniōn de Sapphō tēn hetairan, Ērinnan tēn Lesbian Naukydēs, Boïskos Myrtida, Myrō tēn Byzantian Kēphisodotos, Gomphos Praxigorida kai Amphistratos Kleitō. Ti gar moi peri Anytēs legein, Telesillēs te kai Mystidos? Tēs men gar Euthykratēs te kai Kēphisodotos, tēs de Nikēratos, tēs de Aristodotos eisin hoi dēmiourgoi; Mnēsiarchidos tēs Ephesias Euthykratēs, Korinnēs Silaniōn, Thalarchidos tēs Argeias Euthykratēs. Tautas de eipein prouthymēthēn, hina mēde parʼ hēmin xenon ti prattesthai nomizēte, kai synkrinantes ta hypʼ opsin epitēdeumata mē chleuazēte tas parʼ hēmin philosophousas. Kai hē men Sapphō gynaion pornikon erōtomanes, kai tēn heautēs aselgeian ądei; pasai de hai parʼ hēmin sōphronousi, kai peri tas ēlakatas hai parthenoi ta kata theon lalousin ekphōnēmata tēs parʼ hymin paidos spoudaioteron. Toutou charin aidesthēte, mathētai men hymeis tōn gynaiōn heuriskomenoi, tas de syn hēmin politeuomenas syn tę̄ metʼ autōn panēgyrei chleuazontes. Ti gar hymin hē Glaukippē semnon eisēgēsato paidion, hētis terastion egennēsen, kathōs deiknysin autēs hē eikōn, Nikēratou tou Euktēmonos Athēnaiou to genos chalkeusantos? Ei gar ekyēsen elephanta, ti to aition tou dēmosias apolausai timēs tēn Glaukippēn? Phrynēn te tēn hetairan hymin Praxitelēs kai Hērodotos pepoiēkasi, kai Panteuchida syllambanousan ek phthoreōs Euthykratēs echalkourgēsen. Bēsantida, tēn Paionōn basilissan, hoti paidion melan ekyēse, Deinomenēs dia tēs heautou technēs mnēmoneuesthai pareskeuasen. Egō kai Pythagorou kategnōka, tēn Eurōpēn epi tou taurou kathidrysantos, kai hymōn, hoitines tou Dios ton katēgoron dia tēn ekeinou technēn tetimēkate. Gelō kai tēn Myrōnos epistēmēn poiēsantos moschon, epi de autou Nikēn, hoti tēn Agēnoros harpasas thygatera moicheias kai akrasias brabeion apēnenkato. Tēn Glykeran tēn hetairan kai Argeian tēn psaltrian ho Olynthios Hērodotos kateskeuasen. Bryaxis Pasiphaēn estēsen, hēs tēn aselgeian mnēmoneusantes mononouchi kai tas gynaikas tas nyn toiautas einai proę̄rēsthe. Melanippē tis ēn sophē; dia touto tautēn ho Lysistratos edēmiourgēsen. Ē hymeis de einai parʼ hēmin sophas ou pepisteukate.

This is why I was eager to show, from what you yourselves hold in honor, that our ways are sober-minded, while your customs are possessed by great madness. You who say that we talk nonsense among women and youths, virgins and old women, and who mock us for not being with you, hear the nonsense of Greek affairs. The practices of your gods are all the more foolish for being so famous, and you disgrace yourselves through your women's quarters. Lysippus cast in bronze Praxilla, who said nothing useful in her poems; Menestratus cast Learchis; Silanion, Sappho the courtesan; Naucydes, Erinna of Lesbos; Boiscus, Myrtis; Cephisodotus, Myro of Byzantium; Gomphus, Praxigoris; and Amphistratus, Cleito. Why should I speak of Anyte, Telesilla, and Mystis? The makers of the first were Euthycrates and Cephisodotus, of the second Niceratus, of the third Aristodotus. Euthycrates made Mnesiarchis of Ephesus; Silanion, Corinna; Euthycrates, Thalarchis of Argos. I was eager to mention these women so that you will not think that anything strange is done among us, and so that, comparing the practices before your eyes, you will not mock the women among us who pursue philosophy. Sappho was a lewd, love-crazed woman who sings of her own licentiousness; but all our women are chaste, and our virgins at their distaffs speak of the things of God more earnestly than that girl of yours. Be ashamed, then, you who turn out to be disciples of women, yet mock the women who live among us and the assembly they belong to. What noble thing did Glaucippe introduce to you, who gave birth to a monster, as her statue shows, cast in bronze by Niceratus son of Euctemon, an Athenian by birth? If she conceived an elephant, why should Glaucippe enjoy public honor? Praxiteles and Herodotus made Phryne the courtesan for you, and Euthycrates cast in bronze Panteuchis, who conceived by a seducer. Deinomenes by his art saw to it that Besantis, queen of the Paeonians, would be remembered because she bore a black child. I condemn Pythagoras too, who set up Europa on the bull, and you, who have honored the accuser of Zeus because of his art. I laugh too at the skill of Myron, who made a heifer and on it a Victory, because by carrying off Agenor's daughter he won the prize for adultery and lust. Herodotus of Olynthus made Glycera the courtesan and Argeia the harpist. Bryaxis set up Pasiphae, and by commemorating her licentiousness you all but choose that the women of today should be like her. There was a wise woman called Melanippe; for this reason Lysistratus made her statue. And yet you refuse to believe that there are wise women among us!

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Summary: The Greeks honor poetesses, courtesans, and scandalous women with statues, yet mock the chaste Christian women who study God's word.

  • The list of sculptors and statues is Tatian's catalogue of works at Rome; many of the names are otherwise unknown, and some may be garbled in transmission.
  • “The accuser of Zeus” is the sculptor Pythagoras, whose Europa on the bull publicized Zeus's adultery.
  • “The assembly they belong to” renders σὺν τῇ μετʼ αὐτῶν πανηγύρει, apparently the Christian congregation.

Topics: Women

Cite (SBL): Tatian, Or. Graec. 33 (Otto 6:128–132; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/tatian-oration/33).

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Chapter 34

34Otto 6:132–136

Πάνυ γοῦν σεμνὸς καὶ ὁ τύραννος Φάλαρις, ὅς, τοὺς ἐπιμαστιδίους θοινώμενος παῖδας, διὰ τῆς Πολυστράτου τοῦ Ἀμπρακιώτου κατασκευῆς μέχρι νῦν ὥς τις ἀνὴρ θαυμαστὸς δείκνυται· καὶ οἱ μὲν Ἀκραγαντῖνοι βλέπειν αὐτοῦ τὸ πρόσωπον τὸ προειρημένον διὰ τὴν ἀνθρωποφαγίαν ἐδεδίεσαν, οἷς δὲ μέλον ἐστὶ παιδείας αὐχοῦσιν ὅτι διʼ εἰκόνος αὐτὸν θεωροῦσι. Πῶς γὰρ οὐ χαλεπὸν ἀδελφοκτονίαν παρʼ ὑμῖν τετιμῆσθαι, οἱ Πολυνείκους καὶ Ἐτεοκλέους ὁρῶντες τὰ σχήματα, καὶ μὴ σὺν τῷ ποιήσαντι Πυθαγόρᾳ καταβοθρώσαντες; Ἐναπόλλυτε τῆς κακίας τὰ ὑπομνήματα. Τί μοι διὰ τὸν Περικλύμενον γύναιον, ὅπερ ἐκύησε τριάκοντα παῖδας, ὡς θαυμαστὸν ἡγεῖσθαι καὶ κατανοεῖν ποίημα; Πολλῆς γὰρ ἀκρασίας ἀπενεγκαμένῃ τὰ ἀκροθίνια βδελύττεσθαι καλὸν ἦν, τῇ κατὰ Ῥωμαίους συῒ παρεικαζομένῃ, ἥτις καὶ αὐτὴ διὰ τὸ ὅμοιον μυστικωτέρας, ὥς φασιν, ἠξίωται θεραπείας. Ἐμοίχευσε δὲ Ἄρης τὴν Ἀφροδίτην, καὶ τὴν ἀπʼ αὐτῶν Ἁρμονίαν Ἄνδρων ὑμῖν κατεσκεύασε. Λήρους καὶ φλυαρίας Σώφρων διὰ συνταγμάτων παραδοὺς ἐνδοξότερος χάριν τῆς χαλκευτικῆς, ἣ μέχρι νῦν ἔστι. Καὶ τὸν ψευδολόγον Αἴσωπον ἀείμνηστον οὐ μόνον τὰ μυθολογήματα ἀλλὰ καὶ ἡ κατὰ τὸν Ἀριστόδημον πλαστικὴ περισπούδαστον ἀπέδειξεν. Εἶτα πῶς οὐκ αἰδεῖσθε, τοσαύτας μὲν ἔχοντες ποιητρίας οὐκ ἐπί τι χρήσιμον, πόρνας δὲ ἀπείρους καὶ μοχθηροὺς ἄνδρας, τῶν παρʼ ἡμῖν γυναικῶν διαβάλλοντες τὴν σεμνότητα; Τί μοι σπουδαῖον μανθάνειν Εὐάνθην ἐν Περιπάτῳ τεκεῖν, καὶ πρὸς τὴν Καλλιστράτου κεχηνέναι τέχνην, καὶ πρὸς τῇ Καλλιάδου Νεαίρᾳ παρέχειν τοὺς ὀφθαλμούς; Ἑταίρα γὰρ ἦν. Λαῒς ἐπόρνευσε, καὶ ὁ Τοῦρνος αὐτὴν ὑπόμνημα τῆς πορνείας ἐποίησεν. Διὰ τί τὴν Ἡφαιστίωνος οὐκ αἰδεῖσθε πορνείαν, καὶ εἰ πάνυ Φίλων αὐτὸν ἐντέχνως ποιεῖ; Τίνος δὲ χάριν διὰ Λεωχάρους Γανυμήδη τὸν ἀνδρόγυνον, ὥς τι σπουδαῖον ἔχοντες κτῆμα, τετιμήκατε; Καὶ σπιλούμενόν τι γύναιον Πραξιτέλης ἐδημιούργησεν. Ἐχρῆν δὲ πᾶν τὸ τοιοῦτον παραιτησαμένους τὸ κατὰ ἀλήθειαν σπουδαῖον ζητεῖν, καὶ μηδὲ Φιλαινίδος μηδὲ Ἐλεφαντίδος τῶν ἀῤῥήτων ἐπινοιῶν ἀντιποιουμένους τὴν ἡμετέραν πολιτείαν βδελύττεσθαι.

Pany goun semnos kai ho tyrannos Phalaris, hos, tous epimastidious thoinōmenos paidas, dia tēs Polystratou tou Amprakiōtou kataskeuēs mechri nyn hōs tis anēr thaumastos deiknytai; kai hoi men Akragantinoi blepein autou to prosōpon to proeirēmenon dia tēn anthrōpophagian edediesan, hois de melon esti paideias auchousin hoti diʼ eikonos auton theōrousi. Pōs gar ou chalepon adelphoktonian parʼ hymin tetimēsthai, hoi Polyneikous kai Eteokleous horōntes ta schēmata, kai mē syn tǭ poiēsanti Pythagorą katabothrōsantes? Enapollyte tēs kakias ta hypomnēmata. Ti moi dia ton Periklymenon gynaion, hoper ekyēse triakonta paidas, hōs thaumaston hēgeisthai kai katanoein poiēma? Pollēs gar akrasias apenenkamenę̄ ta akrothinia bdelyttesthai kalon ēn, tę̄ kata Rhōmaious syï pareikazomenę̄, hētis kai autē dia to homoion mystikōteras, hōs phasin, ēxiōtai therapeias. Emoicheuse de Arēs tēn Aphroditēn, kai tēn apʼ autōn Harmonian Andrōn hymin kateskeuase. Lērous kai phlyarias Sōphrōn dia syntagmatōn paradous endoxoteros charin tēs chalkeutikēs, hē mechri nyn esti. Kai ton pseudologon Aisōpon aeimnēston ou monon ta mythologēmata alla kai hē kata ton Aristodēmon plastikē perispoudaston apedeixen. Eita pōs ouk aideisthe, tosautas men echontes poiētrias ouk epi ti chrēsimon, pornas de apeirous kai mochthērous andras, tōn parʼ hēmin gynaikōn diaballontes tēn semnotēta? Ti moi spoudaion manthanein Euanthēn en Peripatǭ tekein, kai pros tēn Kallistratou kechēnenai technēn, kai pros tę̄ Kalliadou Neairą parechein tous ophthalmous? Hetaira gar ēn. Laïs eporneuse, kai ho Tournos autēn hypomnēma tēs porneias epoiēsen. Dia ti tēn Hēphaistiōnos ouk aideisthe porneian, kai ei pany Philōn auton entechnōs poiei? Tinos de charin dia Leōcharous Ganymēdē ton androgynon, hōs ti spoudaion echontes ktēma, tetimēkate? Kai spiloumenon ti gynaion Praxitelēs edēmiourgēsen. Echrēn de pan to toiouton paraitēsamenous to kata alētheian spoudaion zētein, kai mēde Philainidos mēde Elephantidos tōn arrhētōn epinoiōn antipoioumenous tēn hēmeteran politeian bdelyttesthai.

Very venerable too is the tyrant Phalaris, who feasted on babies at the breast, yet is displayed to this day, through the work of Polystratus of Ambracia, as if he were an admirable man! The people of Acragas dreaded to look at that face of his because of his cannibalism, but those who care about culture boast that they can gaze on him in a statue. How is it not grievous that fratricide is honored among you, who look at the figures of Polynices and Eteocles and do not throw them into a pit along with their maker Pythagoras? Destroy these memorials of wickedness! Why should I think the statue by Periclymenus, of a woman who bore thirty children, a wonder and study it? She who carried off the prize for great incontinence ought to have been loathed, likened to the sow of the Romans, which itself, for the same reason, has been thought worthy, they say, of a rather mystic worship. Ares committed adultery with Aphrodite, and Andron made for you Harmonia, their daughter. Sophron, who handed down trifles and nonsense in his writings, is more famous because of his bronze statue, which exists to this day. And the lying Aesop was made ever-memorable not only by his fables but also by the sculpture of Aristodemus, which made him much sought after. How then are you not ashamed, when you have so many poetesses of no use, and countless prostitutes and wicked men, to slander the modesty of our women? What is the value to me of learning that Euanthe gave birth in the Peripatos, of gaping at the art of Callistratus, or of fixing my eyes on the Neaera of Calliades? She was a courtesan. Lais was a prostitute, and Turnus made her a memorial of her prostitution. Why are you not ashamed of Hephaestion's sexual immorality, even if Philo portrays him with great skill? And why have you honored the effeminate Ganymede, through Leochares, as if you had a precious possession? Praxiteles made a sculpture of a woman being defiled. You ought to reject everything of this kind and seek what is truly worthwhile, and not, while laying claim to the unspeakable inventions of Philaenis and Elephantis, loathe our way of life.

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Summary: The Greeks honor with statues tyrants, fratricides, adulterers, and prostitutes, while despising the Christian way of life.

  • Phalaris, tyrant of Acragas, was notorious for cruelty.
  • The “sow of the Romans” is the white sow of Lavinium, which bore thirty piglets.
  • Philaenis and Elephantis were reputed authors of erotic manuals.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (accent: grave on ἣ before a following word; accent: ὥς before the enclitic τι): χαλκευτικῆς, ἥ μέχρι → χαλκευτικῆς, ἣ μέχρι; ὣς τι σπουδαῖον → ὥς τι σπουδαῖον.

Topics: Ethics, Sexual morality

Cite (SBL): Tatian, Or. Graec. 34 (Otto 6:132–136; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/tatian-oration/34).

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Chapter 35

35Otto 6:136–140

Ταῦτα μὲν οὖν οὐ παρʼ ἄλλου μαθὼν ἐξεθέμην, πολλὴν ἐπιφοιτήσας γῆν, καὶ τοῦτο μὲν σοφιστεύσας τὰ ὑμέτερα, τοῦτο δὲ τέχναις καὶ ἐπινοίαις ἐγκυρήσας πολλαῖς, ἔσχατον δὲ τῇ Ῥωμαίων ἐνδιατρίψας πόλει, καὶ τὰς ἀφʼ ὑμῶν ὡς αὐτοὺς ἀνακομισθείσας ἀνδριάντων ποικιλίας καταμαθών· οὐ γάρ, ὡς ἔθος ἐστὶν τοῖς πολλοῖς, ἀλλοτρίαις δόξαις τἀμαυτοῦ κρατύνειν πειρῶμαι, πάντων δὲ ὧν ἀποποιήσομαι αὐτὸς τὴν κατάληψιν τούτων καὶ τὴν ἀναγραφὴν συντάττειν βούλομαι. Διόπερ χαίρειν εἰπὼν καὶ τῇ Ῥωμαίων μεγαλαυχίᾳ καὶ τῇ Ἀθηναίων ψυχρολογίᾳ, δόγμασιν ἀσυναρτήτοις, τῆς καθʼ ἡμᾶς βαρβάρου φιλοσοφίας ἀντεποιησάμην· ἥτις ὃν τρόπον ἐστὶν τῶν παρʼ ὑμῖν ἐπιτηδευμάτων ἀρχαιοτέρα γράφειν μὲν ἀρξάμενος, διὰ δὲ τὸ κατεπεῖγον τῆς ἐξηγήσεως ὑπερθέμενος, νῦν ὅτε καιρὸς περὶ τῶν κατʼ αὐτὴν δογμάτων λέγειν πειράσομαι. Μὴ γὰρ δυσχεράνητε τὴν ἡμετέραν παιδείαν, μηδὲ φλυαρίαις καὶ βωμολοχίαις μεστὴν ἀντιλογίαν καθʼ ἡμῶν πραγματεύησθε, λέγοντες· Τατιανὸς ὑπὲρ τοὺς Ἕλληνας, ὑπὲρ τὸ ἄπειρον τῶν φιλοσοφησάντων πλῆθος, καινοτομεῖ τὰ βαρβάρων δόγματα. Τί γὰρ χαλεπὸν ἀνθρώπους πεφηνότας ἀμαθεῖς ὑπὸ ἀνθρώπου νῦν ὁμοιοπαθοῦς συνελέγχεσθαι; Τί δὲ καὶ ἄτοπον κατὰ τὸν οἰκεῖον ὑμῖν σοφιστὴν γηράσκειν ἀεὶ πάντα διδασκομένους;

Tauta men oun ou parʼ allou mathōn exethemēn, pollēn epiphoitēsas gēn, kai touto men sophisteusas ta hymetera, touto de technais kai epinoiais enkyrēsas pollais, eschaton de tę̄ Rhōmaiōn endiatripsas polei, kai tas aphʼ hymōn hōs autous anakomistheisas andriantōn poikilias katamathōn; ou gar, hōs ethos estin tois pollois, allotriais doxais tamautou kratynein peirōmai, pantōn de hōn apopoiēsomai autos tēn katalēpsin toutōn kai tēn anagraphēn syntattein boulomai. Dioper chairein eipōn kai tę̄ Rhōmaiōn megalauchią kai tę̄ Athēnaiōn psychrologią, dogmasin asynartētois, tēs kathʼ hēmas barbarou philosophias antepoiēsamēn; hētis hon tropon estin tōn parʼ hymin epitēdeumatōn archaiotera graphein men arxamenos, dia de to katepeigon tēs exēgēseōs hyperthemenos, nyn hote kairos peri tōn katʼ autēn dogmatōn legein peirasomai. Mē gar dyscheranēte tēn hēmeteran paideian, mēde phlyariais kai bōmolochiais mestēn antilogian kathʼ hēmōn pragmateuēsthe, legontes; Tatianos hyper tous Hellēnas, hyper to apeiron tōn philosophēsantōn plēthos, kainotomei ta barbarōn dogmata. Ti gar chalepon anthrōpous pephēnotas amatheis hypo anthrōpou nyn homoiopathous synelenchesthai? Ti de kai atopon kata ton oikeion hymin sophistēn gēraskein aei panta didaskomenous?

I have set out these things not from hearsay but from what I learned myself, having traveled over much of the earth. I taught your learning as a sophist, I came across many arts and ideas, and finally I stayed in the city of the Romans and studied the many kinds of statues brought there from your lands. For I do not try, as many do, to strengthen my own views with other people's opinions; I wish to set down a record of what I have myself come to understand about everything I am going to reject. So, having said goodbye both to the arrogance of the Romans and to the frigid talk of the Athenians, incoherent teachings as they are, I laid hold of our barbarian philosophy. I had begun to write how it is older than your pursuits, but put this aside because of the more urgent explanation; now that the time has come, I will try to speak about its teachings. Do not be annoyed at our instruction, and do not work up a rebuttal against us full of nonsense and buffoonery, saying, “Tatian, setting himself above the Greeks and above the countless multitude of philosophers, is bringing in the novel teachings of barbarians.” For what is so hard about people who have shown themselves ignorant being refuted now by a man with the same nature as theirs? And what is absurd, as your own sage says, about growing old while always learning everything?

Acts 14:15 (echo, low confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: Tatian writes from his own experience of Greek learning and of Rome, and now returns to proving the antiquity of Christian (“barbarian”) philosophy.

  • “Growing old while always learning” quotes the Athenian lawgiver Solon (“I grow old always learning many things”).
  • “A man with the same nature” (ὁμοιοπαθής) is Paul's word in Acts 14:15.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (accent: grave on ὃν before a following word): ἥτις ὅν τρόπον → ἥτις ὃν τρόπον.

Cite (SBL): Tatian, Or. Graec. 35 (Otto 6:136–140; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/tatian-oration/35).

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Chapter 36

36Otto 6:140–144

Πλὴν Ὅμηρος ἔστω μὴ ὕστερον τῶν Ἰλιακῶν, ἀλλὰ κατʼ ἐκεῖνον αὐτὸν ὑπειλήφθω τὸν τοῦ πολέμου καιρόν, ἔτι δὲ καὶ τοῖς περὶ τὸν Ἀγαμέμνονα συστρατεύεσθαι, καὶ εἰ βούλεταί τις πρὶν καὶ τῶν στοιχείων γεγονέναι τὴν εὕρεσιν. Φανήσεται γὰρ ὁ προειρημένος Μωυσῆς αὐτῆς μὲν τῆς Ἰλιακῆς ἁλώσεως πρεσβύτερος πάνυ πολλοῖς ἔτεσι γεγονώς, τῆς δὲ Ἰλίου κτίσεως καὶ τοῦ Τρωὸς καὶ Δαρδάνου λίαν ἀρχαιότερος. Ἀποδείξεως δὲ ἕνεκεν μάρτυσι χρήσομαι Χαλδαίοις, Φοίνιξιν, Αἰγυπτίοις. Καὶ τί μοι λέγειν πλείονα; χρὴ γὰρ τὸν πείθειν ἐπαγγελλόμενον συντομωτέρας ποιεῖσθαι τὰς περὶ τῶν πραγμάτων πρὸς τοὺς ἀκούοντας διηγήσεις. Βηρωσὸς ἀνὴρ Βαβυλώνιος, ἱερεὺς τοῦ παρʼ αὐτοῖς Βήλου, κατʼ Ἀλέξανδρον γεγονώς, Ἀντιόχῳ τῷ μετʼ αὐτὸν τρίτῳ τὴν Χαλδαίων ἱστορίαν ἐν τρισὶ βιβλίοις κατατάξας καὶ τὰ περὶ τῶν βασιλέων ἐκθέμενος, ἀφηγεῖταί τινος αὐτῶν ὄνομα Ναβουχοδονόσορ, τοῦ στρατεύσαντος ἐπὶ Φοίνικας καὶ Ἰουδαίους· ἅτινα διὰ τῶν καθʼ ἡμᾶς προφητῶν ἴσμεν κεκηρυγμένα, γεγονότα μὲν πολὺ τῆς Μωυσέως ἡλικίας κατώτερα, πρὸ δὲ τῆς Περσῶν ἡγεμονίας ἔτεσιν ἑβδομήκοντα. Βηρωσὸς δέ ἐστιν ἀνὴρ ἱκανώτατος· καὶ τούτου τεκμήριον Ἰόβας, ὅς, Περὶ Ἀσσυρίων γράφων, παρὰ Βηρωσοῦ φησι μεμαθηκέναι τὴν ἱστορίαν. Εἰσὶ δὲ αὐτῷ βίβλοι Περὶ Ἀσσυρίων δύο.

Plēn Homēros estō mē hysteron tōn Iliakōn, alla katʼ ekeinon auton hypeilēphthō ton tou polemou kairon, eti de kai tois peri ton Agamemnona systrateuesthai, kai ei bouletai tis prin kai tōn stoicheiōn gegonenai tēn heuresin. Phanēsetai gar ho proeirēmenos Mōysēs autēs men tēs Iliakēs halōseōs presbyteros pany pollois etesi gegonōs, tēs de Iliou ktiseōs kai tou Trōos kai Dardanou lian archaioteros. Apodeixeōs de heneken martysi chrēsomai Chaldaiois, Phoinixin, Aigyptiois. Kai ti moi legein pleiona? chrē gar ton peithein epangellomenon syntomōteras poieisthai tas peri tōn pragmatōn pros tous akouontas diēgēseis. Bērōsos anēr Babylōnios, hiereus tou parʼ autois Bēlou, katʼ Alexandron gegonōs, Antiochǭ tǭ metʼ auton tritǭ tēn Chaldaiōn historian en trisi bibliois katataxas kai ta peri tōn basileōn ekthemenos, aphēgeitai tinos autōn onoma Nabouchodonosor, tou strateusantos epi Phoinikas kai Ioudaious; hatina dia tōn kathʼ hēmas prophētōn ismen kekērygmena, gegonota men poly tēs Mōyseōs hēlikias katōtera, pro de tēs Persōn hēgemonias etesin hebdomēkonta. Bērōsos de estin anēr hikanōtatos; kai toutou tekmērion Iobas, hos, Peri Assyriōn graphōn, para Bērōsou phēsi memathēkenai tēn historian. Eisi de autǭ bibloi Peri Assyriōn dyo.

But let it be granted that Homer was not later than the Trojan War; let him be supposed to have lived at the very time of the war, and even to have served in the army with Agamemnon, and, if anyone wishes, to have lived before the invention of letters. For the Moses I spoke of will be shown to be older by very many years than the capture of Troy itself, and far more ancient than the founding of Troy and than Tros and Dardanus. For proof I will use as witnesses Chaldeans, Phoenicians, and Egyptians. And why should I say more? One who undertakes to persuade must give his hearers rather brief accounts of the facts. Berossus, a Babylonian, priest of their god Bel, who lived in the time of Alexander, composed for Antiochus, the third after him, the history of the Chaldeans in three books; and in setting out the history of the kings he tells of one of them named Nebuchadnezzar, who made war on the Phoenicians and the Jews. We know that these events were proclaimed by our prophets; they happened much later than the age of Moses, seventy years before the rule of the Persians. Berossus is a most reliable man; proof of this is Juba, who, writing On the Assyrians, says that he learned the history from Berossus. He has two books On the Assyrians.

2 Kgs 24:1 (allusion, low confidence) · Jer 25:11 (echo, low confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: Even if Homer lived at the time of the Trojan War, Moses is far older; the Babylonian historian Berossus confirms the biblical account of Nebuchadnezzar.

  • Berossus's History of Babylonia survives only in fragments; Juba II, king of Mauretania, was a learned writer.
  • “Seventy years before the rule of the Persians”: the seventy years of exile foretold by Jeremiah (Jer 25:11).

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (misspelling: ἐπαγελλόμενον for ἐπαγγελλόμενον): πείθειν ἐπαγελλόμενον → πείθειν ἐπαγγελλόμενον.

Topics: Scripture and canon

Cite (SBL): Tatian, Or. Graec. 36 (Otto 6:140–144; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/tatian-oration/36).

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Chapter 37

37Otto 6:144–146

Μετὰ δὲ τοὺς Χαλδαίους τὰ Φοινίκων οὕτως ἔχει. Γεγόνασιν παρʼ αὐτοῖς τρεῖς ἄνδρες, Θεόδοτος, Ὑψικράτης, Μῶχος· τούτων τὰς βίβλους εἰς ἑλληνίδα κατέταξεν φωνὴν Χαῖτος, ὁ καὶ τοὺς βίους τῶν φιλοσόφων ἐπʼ ἀκριβὲς πραγματευσάμενος. Ἐν δὲ ταῖς τῶν προειρημένων δηλοῦται ἱστορίαις κατά τινα τῶν βασιλέων Εὐρώπης ἁρπαγὴν γεγονέναι, Μενελάου τε εἰς τὴν Φοινίκην ἄφιξις, καὶ τὰ περὶ Χείραμον, ὅστις Σολομῶνι τῷ Ἰουδαίων βασιλεῖ πρὸς γάμον δοὺς τὴν θυγατέρα καὶ ξύλων παντοδαπῶν ὕλην εἰς τὴν τοῦ ναοῦ κατασκευὴν ἐδωρήσατο. Καὶ Μένανδρος δὲ ὁ Περγαμηνὸς περὶ τῶν αὐτῶν τὴν ἀναγραφὴν ἐποιήσατο. Τοῦ δὲ Χειράμου ὁ χρόνος ἤδη που τοῖς Ἰλιακοῖς ἐγγίζει· Σολομὼν δὲ ὁ κατὰ Χείραμον πολὺ κατώτερός ἐστι τῆς Μωυσέως ἡλικίας.

Meta de tous Chaldaious ta Phoinikōn houtōs echei. Gegonasin parʼ autois treis andres, Theodotos, Hypsikratēs, Mōchos; toutōn tas biblous eis hellēnida katetaxen phōnēn Chaitos, ho kai tous bious tōn philosophōn epʼ akribes pragmateusamenos. En de tais tōn proeirēmenōn dēloutai historiais kata tina tōn basileōn Eurōpēs harpagēn gegonenai, Menelaou te eis tēn Phoinikēn aphixis, kai ta peri Cheiramon, hostis Solomōni tǭ Ioudaiōn basilei pros gamon dous tēn thygatera kai xylōn pantodapōn hylēn eis tēn tou naou kataskeuēn edōrēsato. Kai Menandros de ho Pergamēnos peri tōn autōn tēn anagraphēn epoiēsato. Tou de Cheiramou ho chronos ēdē pou tois Iliakois engizei; Solomōn de ho kata Cheiramon poly katōteros esti tēs Mōyseōs hēlikias.

After the Chaldeans, the Phoenician evidence is as follows. There were among them three men, Theodotus, Hypsicrates, and Mochus; their books were translated into Greek by Chaetus, who also wrote a careful account of the lives of the philosophers. The histories of these men show that the rape of Europa took place under one of the kings, and also the arrival of Menelaus in Phoenicia, and the story of Hiram, who gave his daughter in marriage to Solomon, king of the Jews, and presented him with timber of every kind for building the temple. Menander of Pergamum also wrote an account of the same things. The time of Hiram comes somewhere near the Trojan War; and Solomon, Hiram's contemporary, is much later than the age of Moses.

Textual problem in this passage: see the notes.

1 Kgs 5:10 (allusion, medium confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: Phoenician historians place Hiram, Solomon's contemporary, near the Trojan War; Moses is much older.

  • Hiram's gift of timber is in 1 Kgs 5; the marriage of his daughter to Solomon is not in the Bible but is reported from Phoenician sources (Menander of Ephesus, cited by Josephus).
  • “Chaetus” is otherwise unknown; some think the name is a corruption of Laetus.

Topics: Scripture and canon

Cite (SBL): Tatian, Or. Graec. 37 (Otto 6:144–146; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/tatian-oration/37).

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Chapter 38

38Otto 6:146–148

Αἰγυπτίων δέ εἰσιν αἱ ἐπʼ ἀκριβὲς χρόνων ἀναγραφαί· καὶ τῶν κατʼ αὐτοὺς πραγμάτων ἑρμηνεύς ἐστι Πτολεμαῖος, οὐχ ὁ βασιλεύς, ἱερεὺς δὲ Μένδητος. Οὗτος τὰς τῶν βασιλέων πράξεις ἐκτιθέμενος κατʼ Ἄμωσιν βασιλέα Αἰγύπτου γεγονέναι Ἰουδαίοις φησὶ τὴν ἐξ Αἰγύπτου πορείαν, εἰς ἅπερ ἦλθον χωρία, Μωυσέως ἡγουμένου. Λέγει δὲ οὕτως· Ὁ δὲ Ἄμωσις ἐγένετο κατʼ Ἴναχον βασιλέα. Μετὰ δὲ τοῦτον Ἀπίων ὁ γραμματικός, ἀνὴρ δοκιμώτατος, ἐν τῇ τετάρτῃ τῶν Αἰγυπτιακῶν (πέντε δέ εἰσιν αὐτῷ γραφαί) πολλὰ μὲν καὶ ἄλλα, φησὶ δὲ ὅτι Κατέσκαψε τὴν Αὔαριν Ἄμωσις κατὰ τὸν Ἀργεῖον γενόμενος Ἴναχον, ὡς ἐν τοῖς Χρόνοις ἀνέγραψεν ὁ Μενδήσιος Πτολεμαῖος. Ὁ δὲ ἀπʼ Ἰνάχου χρόνος ἄχρι τῆς Ἰλίου ἁλώσεως ἀποπληροῖ γενεὰς εἴκοσι. Καὶ τὰ τῆς ἀποδείξεως ἔχει τοῦτον τὸν τρόπον.

Aigyptiōn de eisin hai epʼ akribes chronōn anagraphai; kai tōn katʼ autous pragmatōn hermēneus esti Ptolemaios, ouch ho basileus, hiereus de Mendētos. Houtos tas tōn basileōn praxeis ektithemenos katʼ Amōsin basilea Aigyptou gegonenai Ioudaiois phēsi tēn ex Aigyptou poreian, eis haper ēlthon chōria, Mōyseōs hēgoumenou. Legei de houtōs; Ho de Amōsis egeneto katʼ Inachon basilea. Meta de touton Apiōn ho grammatikos, anēr dokimōtatos, en tę̄ tetartę̄ tōn Aigyptiakōn (pente de eisin autǭ graphai) polla men kai alla, phēsi de hoti Kateskapse tēn Auarin Amōsis kata ton Argeion genomenos Inachon, hōs en tois Chronois anegrapsen ho Mendēsios Ptolemaios. Ho de apʼ Inachou chronos achri tēs Iliou halōseōs apoplēroi geneas eikosi. Kai ta tēs apodeixeōs echei touton ton tropon.

The Egyptians have accurate chronicles; and the interpreter of their history is Ptolemy, not the king, but a priest of Mendes. Setting out the deeds of the kings, he says that the Jews made their journey out of Egypt, to the regions they went to, under the leadership of Moses, in the time of Amosis, king of Egypt. He speaks thus: “Amosis lived in the time of King Inachus.” After him Apion the grammarian, a most highly esteemed man, in the fourth book of his Egyptian History (he wrote five books), says, among much else, that “Amosis destroyed Avaris, living in the time of Inachus of Argos, as Ptolemy of Mendes wrote in his Chronicles.” The time from Inachus to the capture of Troy fills twenty generations. And that is how the proof stands.

Exod 12:37 (echo, low confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: Egyptian chronology places the Exodus under King Amosis, a contemporary of Inachus of Argos, twenty generations before the fall of Troy.

  • Amosis (Ahmose I) expelled the Hyksos from Avaris; Ptolemy of Mendes and Apion identified this with the Exodus.

Topics: Scripture and canon

Cite (SBL): Tatian, Or. Graec. 38 (Otto 6:146–148; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/tatian-oration/38).

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Chapter 39

39Otto 6:148–152

Γεγόνασιν Ἀργείων βασιλεῖς οἵδε· Ἴναχος, Φορωνεύς, Ἆπις, Κρίασις, Τριόπας, Ἀργεῖος, Φόρβας, Κροτώπας, Σθενέλαος, Δαναός, Λυγκεύς, Προῖτος, Ἄβας, Ἀκρίσιος, Περσεύς, Σθενέλαος, Εὐρυσθεύς, Ἀτρεύς, Θυέστης, Ἀγαμέμνων, οὗ κατὰ τὸ ὀκτωκαιδέκατον ἔτος τῆς βασιλείας Ἴλιον ἑάλω. Καὶ χρὴ τὸν νουνεχῆ συνεῖναι μετὰ πάσης ἀκριβείας ὅτι κατὰ τὴν Ἑλλήνων παράδοσιν οὐδʼ ἱστορίας τις ἦν παρʼ αὐτοῖς ἀναγραφή. Κάδμος γάρ, ὁ τὰ στοιχεῖα τοῖς προειρημένοις παραδούς, μετὰ πολλὰς γενεὰς τῆς Βοιωτίας ἐπέβη. Μετὰ δὲ Ἴναχον ἐπὶ Φορωνέως μόγις τοῦ θηριώδους βίου καὶ νομάδος περιγραφὴ γέγονεν, μετεκοσμήθησάν τε οἱ ἄνθρωποι. Διόπερ εἰ κατὰ Ἴναχον πέφηνεν ὁ Μωυσῆς γεγονώς, πρεσβύτερός ἐστι τῶν Ἰλιακῶν ἔτεσι τετρακοσίοις. Ἀποδείκνυται δὲ τοῦθʼ οὕτως ἔχον ἀπό [τε] τῆς τῶν Ἀττικῶν βασιλέων διαδοχῆς [καὶ Μακεδονικῶν καὶ Πτολεμαϊκῶν, ἔτι δὲ καὶ Ἀντιοχικῶν]. Ὅθεν εἰ μετὰ τὸν Ἴναχον αἱ διαφανέστεραι πράξεις παρʼ Ἕλλησιν ἀνεγράφησάν τε καὶ γινώσκονται, δῆλον ὡς καὶ μετὰ Μωυσέα. Κατὰ γὰρ Φορωνέα, τὸν μετʼ Ἴναχον, μνημονεύεται παρʼ Ἀθηναίοις Ὤγυγος, ἐφʼ οὗ κατακλυσμὸς ὁ πρῶτος· κατὰ δὲ Φόρβαντα Ἀκταῖος, ἀφʼ οὗ καὶ Ἀκταία ἡ Ἀττική· κατὰ δὲ Τριόπαν Προμηθεὺς καὶ Ἐπιμηθεὺς καὶ Ἄτλας καὶ ὁ διφυὴς Κέκροψ καὶ ἡ Ἰώ· κατὰ δὲ Κροτώπαν ἡ ἐπὶ Φαέθοντος ἐκπύρωσις καὶ ἡ ἐπὶ Δευκαλίωνος ἐπομβρία· κατὰ δὲ Σθένελον ἥ τε Ἀμφικτύονος βασιλεία καὶ ἡ εἰς Πελοπόννησον Δαναοῦ παρουσία καὶ ἡ ὑπὸ Δαρδάνου τῆς Δαρδανίας κτίσις ἥ τε ἐκ Φοινίκης τῆς Εὐρώπης εἰς τὴν Κρήτην ἀνακομιδή· κατὰ δὲ Λυγκέα τῆς Κόρης ἡ ἁρπαγὴ καὶ ἡ τοῦ ἐν Ἐλευσῖνι τεμένους καθίδρυσις καὶ ἡ Τριπτολέμου γεωργία καὶ ἡ Κάδμου εἰς Θήβας παρουσία Μίνωός τε ἡ βασιλεία· κατὰ δὲ Προῖτον ὁ Εὐμόλπου πρὸς Ἀθηναίους πόλεμος· κατὰ δὲ Ἀκρίσιον ἡ Πέλοπος ἀπὸ Φρυγίας διάβασις καὶ Ἴωνος εἰς τὰς Ἀθήνας ἄφιξις καὶ ὁ δεύτερος Κέκροψ, αἵ τε Περσέως καὶ Διονύσου πράξεις, καὶ Ὀρφέως μαθητὴς Μουσαῖος· κατὰ δὲ τὴν Ἀγαμέμνονος βασιλείαν ἑάλω τὸ Ἴλιον.

Gegonasin Argeiōn basileis hoide; Inachos, Phorōneus, Apis, Kriasis, Triopas, Argeios, Phorbas, Krotōpas, Sthenelaos, Danaos, Lynkeus, Proitos, Abas, Akrisios, Perseus, Sthenelaos, Eurystheus, Atreus, Thyestēs, Agamemnōn, hou kata to oktōkaidekaton etos tēs basileias Ilion healō. Kai chrē ton nounechē syneinai meta pasēs akribeias hoti kata tēn Hellēnōn paradosin oudʼ historias tis ēn parʼ autois anagraphē. Kadmos gar, ho ta stoicheia tois proeirēmenois paradous, meta pollas geneas tēs Boiōtias epebē. Meta de Inachon epi Phorōneōs mogis tou thēriōdous biou kai nomados perigraphē gegonen, metekosmēthēsan te hoi anthrōpoi. Dioper ei kata Inachon pephēnen ho Mōysēs gegonōs, presbyteros esti tōn Iliakōn etesi tetrakosiois. Apodeiknytai de touthʼ houtōs echon apo [te] tēs tōn Attikōn basileōn diadochēs [kai Makedonikōn kai Ptolemaïkōn, eti de kai Antiochikōn]. Hothen ei meta ton Inachon hai diaphanesterai praxeis parʼ Hellēsin anegraphēsan te kai ginōskontai, dēlon hōs kai meta Mōysea. Kata gar Phorōnea, ton metʼ Inachon, mnēmoneuetai parʼ Athēnaiois Ōgygos, ephʼ hou kataklysmos ho prōtos; kata de Phorbanta Aktaios, aphʼ hou kai Aktaia hē Attikē; kata de Triopan Promētheus kai Epimētheus kai Atlas kai ho diphyēs Kekrops kai hē Iō; kata de Krotōpan hē epi Phaethontos ekpyrōsis kai hē epi Deukaliōnos epombria; kata de Sthenelon hē te Amphiktyonos basileia kai hē eis Peloponnēson Danaou parousia kai hē hypo Dardanou tēs Dardanias ktisis hē te ek Phoinikēs tēs Eurōpēs eis tēn Krētēn anakomidē; kata de Lynkea tēs Korēs hē harpagē kai hē tou en Eleusini temenous kathidrysis kai hē Triptolemou geōrgia kai hē Kadmou eis Thēbas parousia Minōos te hē basileia; kata de Proiton ho Eumolpou pros Athēnaious polemos; kata de Akrision hē Pelopos apo Phrygias diabasis kai Iōnos eis tas Athēnas aphixis kai ho deuteros Kekrops, hai te Perseōs kai Dionysou praxeis, kai Orpheōs mathētēs Mousaios; kata de tēn Agamemnonos basileian healō to Ilion.

The kings of Argos were these: Inachus, Phoroneus, Apis, Criasus, Triopas, Argeius, Phorbas, Crotopas, Sthenelaus, Danaus, Lynceus, Proetus, Abas, Acrisius, Perseus, Sthenelaus, Eurystheus, Atreus, Thyestes, and Agamemnon, in the eighteenth year of whose reign Troy was taken. A sensible person must understand with all precision that, according to the Greeks' own tradition, they had no written record of history at all. For Cadmus, who handed down the letters to them, came to Boeotia many generations later. After Inachus, under Phoroneus, the savage and nomadic way of life barely came to an end, and people were given a new order. So if Moses has been shown to have lived in the time of Inachus, he is four hundred years older than the Trojan War. This is shown to be so from the succession of the Attic kings [and of the Macedonian and Ptolemaic, and also the Antiochene]. Hence, if the more notable deeds among the Greeks were recorded and are known only after Inachus, it is clear that they also come after Moses. In the time of Phoroneus, who came after Inachus, Ogyges is remembered among the Athenians, in whose time came the first flood; in the time of Phorbas, Actaeus, from whom Attica was called Actaea; in the time of Triopas, Prometheus, Epimetheus, Atlas, Cecrops of the double form, and Io; in the time of Crotopas, the burning in the days of Phaethon and the deluge in the days of Deucalion; in the time of Sthenelus, the reign of Amphictyon, the coming of Danaus to the Peloponnese, the founding of Dardania by Dardanus, and the carrying off of Europa from Phoenicia to Crete; in the time of Lynceus, the rape of Kore, the founding of the precinct at Eleusis, the farming of Triptolemus, the coming of Cadmus to Thebes, and the reign of Minos; in the time of Proetus, the war of Eumolpus against the Athenians; in the time of Acrisius, the crossing of Pelops from Phrygia, the arrival of Ion at Athens, the second Cecrops, the deeds of Perseus and Dionysus, and Musaeus the disciple of Orpheus; and in the reign of Agamemnon Troy was taken.

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Summary: The list of the kings of Argos from Inachus to Agamemnon shows that all the events of Greek legend come after Moses.

  • The words in square brackets are bracketed in the edition as probably not original.
  • Cecrops, the legendary first king of Athens, was said to be half man, half serpent, hence “of the double form.”

Topics: Scripture and canon

Cite (SBL): Tatian, Or. Graec. 39 (Otto 6:148–152; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/tatian-oration/39).

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Chapter 40

40Otto 6:152–154

Οὐκοῦν πέφηνε Μωυσῆς ἀπό γε τῶν προειρημένων πρεσβύτερος ἡρώων παλαιῶν, πολέμων, δαιμόνων. Καὶ χρὴ τῷ πρεσβεύοντι κατὰ τὴν ἡλικίαν πιστεύειν, ἤπερ τοῖς ἀπὸ τῆς πηγῆς ἀρυσαμένοις Ἕλλησιν οὐ κατʼ ἐπίγνωσιν τὰ ἐκείνου δόγματα· πολλοὶ γὰρ οἱ κατʼ αὐτοὺς σοφισταί, κεχρημένοι περιεργίᾳ, τὰ ὅσα παρὰ τῶν κατὰ Μωυσέα καὶ τῶν ὁμοίως αὐτῷ φιλοσοφούντων ἔγνωσαν καὶ παραχαράττειν ἐπειράθησαν, πρῶτον μὲν ἵνα τι λέγειν ἴδιον νομισθῶσι, δεύτερον δὲ ὅπως, τὰ ὅσα μὴ συνίεσαν διά τινος ἐπιπλάστου ῥητολογίας παρακαλύπτοντες, ὡς μυθολογίαν τὴν ἀλήθειαν παραπρεσβεύωσι. Περὶ μὲν οὖν τῆς καθʼ ἡμᾶς πολιτείας, ἱστορίας τε τῆς κατὰ τοὺς ἡμετέρους νόμους, ὅσα τε εἰρήκασιν οἱ παρὰ τοῖς Ἕλλησιν λόγιοι καὶ πόσοι καὶ τίνες εἰσὶ μνημονεύσαντες, ἐν τῷ πρὸς τοὺς ἀποφηναμένους τὰ περὶ θεοῦ δειχθήσεται.

Oukoun pephēne Mōysēs apo ge tōn proeirēmenōn presbyteros hērōōn palaiōn, polemōn, daimonōn. Kai chrē tǭ presbeuonti kata tēn hēlikian pisteuein, ēper tois apo tēs pēgēs arysamenois Hellēsin ou katʼ epignōsin ta ekeinou dogmata; polloi gar hoi katʼ autous sophistai, kechrēmenoi periergią, ta hosa para tōn kata Mōysea kai tōn homoiōs autǭ philosophountōn egnōsan kai paracharattein epeirathēsan, prōton men hina ti legein idion nomisthōsi, deuteron de hopōs, ta hosa mē syniesan dia tinos epiplastou rhētologias parakalyptontes, hōs mythologian tēn alētheian parapresbeuōsi. Peri men oun tēs kathʼ hēmas politeias, historias te tēs kata tous hēmeterous nomous, hosa te eirēkasin hoi para tois Hellēsin logioi kai posoi kai tines eisi mnēmoneusantes, en tǭ pros tous apophēnamenous ta peri theou deichthēsetai.

So Moses has been shown, from what has been said, to be older than the ancient heroes, wars, and demons. And we ought to believe the one who has the precedence in age, rather than the Greeks, who drew his teachings from the source without understanding them. For many of their sophists, in their meddling curiosity, tried to counterfeit whatever they learned from Moses and from those who philosophized as he did: first, so that they might be thought to be saying something original; second, so that by veiling what they did not understand with a fabricated rhetoric they might pass off the truth as mythology. Concerning our way of life, the history according to our laws, what the learned among the Greeks have said about it, and how many and who they are that have mentioned it, will be shown in my work Against Those Who Have Discoursed on Divine Things.

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Summary: Moses is older than all Greek legend, and Greek sages borrowed from him and distorted what they borrowed.

  • The charge that Greek philosophers borrowed from Moses is common in the apologists (e.g. Justin, 1 Apol. 44, 59).
  • The work Against Those Who Have Discoursed on Divine Things (πρὸς τοὺς ἀποφηναμένους τὰ περὶ θεοῦ) is lost, or was never written.

Topics: Scripture and canon

Cite (SBL): Tatian, Or. Graec. 40 (Otto 6:152–154; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/tatian-oration/40).

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Chapter 41

41Otto 6:154–162

Τὸ δὲ συνέχον σπευτέον μετὰ πάσης ἀκριβείας σαφηνίζειν, ὡς οὐχ Ὁμήρου μόνον πρεσβύτερός ἐστιν ὁ Μωυσῆς, ἔτι δὲ τῶν πρὸ αὐτοῦ συγγραφέων, Λίνου, Φιλάμμωνος, Θαμύριδος, Ἀμφίωνος, Μουσαίου, Ὀρφέως, Δημοδόκου, Φημίου, Σιβύλλης, Ἐπιμενίδου τοῦ Κρητός, ὅστις εἰς τὴν Σπάρτην ἀφίκετο, Ἀρισταίου τοῦ Προκοννησίου, τοῦ τὰ Ἀριμάσπια συγγράψαντος, Ἀσβόλου τε τοῦ Κενταύρου καὶ Ἰσάτιδος, Δρύμωνός τε καὶ Εὔκλου τοῦ Κυπρίου καὶ Ὥρου τοῦ Σαμίου καὶ Προναπίδου τοῦ Ἀθηναίου. Λίνος μὲν γὰρ Ἡρακλέους ἐστὶ διδάσκαλος, ὁ δὲ Ἡρακλῆς μιᾷ τῶν Τρωϊκῶν προγενέστερος πέφηνε γενεᾷ· τοῦτο δέ ἐστι φανερὸν ἀπὸ τοῦ παιδὸς αὐτοῦ Τληπολέμου, στρατεύσαντος ἐπὶ Ἴλιον. Ὀρφεὺς δὲ κατὰ τὸν αὐτὸν χρόνον Ἡρακλεῖ γέγονεν, ἄλλως τε καὶ τὰ εἰς αὐτὸν ἐπιφερόμενά φασιν ὑπὸ Ὀνομακρίτου τοῦ Ἀθηναίου συντετάχθαι, γενομένου κατὰ τὴν Πεισιστρατιδῶν ἀρχὴν περὶ τὴν πεντηκοστὴν ὀλυμπιάδα. Τοῦ δὲ Ὀρφέως μαθητὴς Μουσαῖος. Ἀμφίων δὲ δυσὶ προάγων γενεαῖς τῶν Ἰλιακῶν τοῦ πλείονα πρὸς τοὺς φιλομαθεῖς συντάττειν ἀπείργει ἡμᾶς. Δημόδοκος δὲ καὶ Φήμιος κατὰ τὸν αὐτὸν τῶν Τρωϊκῶν πόλεμον γεγόνασι· διέτριβον γὰρ ὁ μὲν παρὰ τοῖς μνηστῆρσιν, ὁ δὲ παρὰ τοῖς Φαίαξιν. Ὁ Θάμυρις δὲ καὶ ὁ Φιλάμμων οὐ πολὺ τούτων εἰσὶν ἀρχαιότεροι. Περὶ μὲν οὖν τῆς καθʼ ἕκαστον λόγον πραγματείας, χρόνων τε καὶ ἀναγραφῆς αὐτῶν, ὡς οἶμαι, σφόδρα μετὰ πάσης ἀκριβείας ὑμῖν ἀνεγράψαμεν. Ἵνα δὲ καὶ τὸ μέχρι νῦν ἐνδέον ἀποπληρώσωμεν, ἔτι καὶ περὶ τῶν νομιζομένων σοφῶν ποιήσομαι τὴν ἀπόδειξιν. Μίνως γάρ, ὁ πάσης προὔχειν νομισθεὶς σοφίας ἀγχινοίας τε καὶ νομοθεσίας, ἐπὶ Λυγκέως τοῦ μετὰ Δαναὸν βασιλεύσαντος γέγονεν, ἑνδεκάτῃ γενεᾷ μετὰ Ἴναχον. Λυκοῦργος δέ, πολὺ γεννηθεὶς μετὰ τὴν Ἰλίου ἅλωσιν, πρὸ τῶν ὀλυμπιάδων ἔτεσιν ἑκατὸν νομοθετεῖ Λακεδαιμονίοις. Δράκων δὲ περὶ ὀλυμπιάδα τριακοστὴν καὶ ἐννάτην εὑρίσκεται γεγονώς· Σόλων περὶ μς΄· Πυθαγόρας περὶ ξβ΄. Τὰς δὲ ὀλυμπιάδας ὕστερον τῶν Ἰλιακῶν ἔτεσι ἀπεδείξαμεν γεγονυίας τετρακοσίοις ἑπτά. Καὶ δὴ τούτων οὕτως ἀποδεδειγμένων, διὰ βραχέων ἔτι καὶ περὶ τῆς τῶν ἑπτὰ σοφῶν ἡλικίας ἀναγράψομεν. Τοῦ γὰρ πρεσβυτάτου τῶν προειρημένων Θάλητος γενομένου περὶ τὴν πεντηκοστὴν ὀλυμπιάδα, καὶ τὰ περὶ τῶν μετʼ αὐτὸν σχεδὸν ὑμῖν συντόμως εἴρηται.

To de synechon speuteon meta pasēs akribeias saphēnizein, hōs ouch Homērou monon presbyteros estin ho Mōysēs, eti de tōn pro autou syngrapheōn, Linou, Philammōnos, Thamyridos, Amphiōnos, Mousaiou, Orpheōs, Dēmodokou, Phēmiou, Sibyllēs, Epimenidou tou Krētos, hostis eis tēn Spartēn aphiketo, Aristaiou tou Prokonnēsiou, tou ta Arimaspia syngrapsantos, Asbolou te tou Kentaurou kai Isatidos, Drymōnos te kai Euklou tou Kypriou kai Hōrou tou Samiou kai Pronapidou tou Athēnaiou. Linos men gar Hērakleous esti didaskalos, ho de Hēraklēs mią tōn Trōïkōn progenesteros pephēne geneą; touto de esti phaneron apo tou paidos autou Tlēpolemou, strateusantos epi Ilion. Orpheus de kata ton auton chronon Hēraklei gegonen, allōs te kai ta eis auton epipheromena phasin hypo Onomakritou tou Athēnaiou syntetachthai, genomenou kata tēn Peisistratidōn archēn peri tēn pentēkostēn olympiada. Tou de Orpheōs mathētēs Mousaios. Amphiōn de dysi proagōn geneais tōn Iliakōn tou pleiona pros tous philomatheis syntattein apeirgei hēmas. Dēmodokos de kai Phēmios kata ton auton tōn Trōïkōn polemon gegonasi; dietribon gar ho men para tois mnēstērsin, ho de para tois Phaiaxin. Ho Thamyris de kai ho Philammōn ou poly toutōn eisin archaioteroi. Peri men oun tēs kathʼ hekaston logon pragmateias, chronōn te kai anagraphēs autōn, hōs oimai, sphodra meta pasēs akribeias hymin anegrapsamen. Hina de kai to mechri nyn endeon apoplērōsōmen, eti kai peri tōn nomizomenōn sophōn poiēsomai tēn apodeixin. Minōs gar, ho pasēs prouchein nomistheis sophias anchinoias te kai nomothesias, epi Lynkeōs tou meta Danaon basileusantos gegonen, hendekatę̄ geneą meta Inachon. Lykourgos de, poly gennētheis meta tēn Iliou halōsin, pro tōn olympiadōn etesin hekaton nomothetei Lakedaimoniois. Drakōn de peri olympiada triakostēn kai ennatēn heurisketai gegonōs; Solōn peri ms΄; Pythagoras peri xb΄. Tas de olympiadas hysteron tōn Iliakōn etesi apedeixamen gegonuias tetrakosiois hepta. Kai dē toutōn houtōs apodedeigmenōn, dia bracheōn eti kai peri tēs tōn hepta sophōn hēlikias anagrapsomen. Tou gar presbytatou tōn proeirēmenōn Thalētos genomenou peri tēn pentēkostēn olympiada, kai ta peri tōn metʼ auton schedon hymin syntomōs eirētai.

But the main point must be made clear with all precision: that Moses is older not only than Homer but also than the writers before him: Linus, Philammon, Thamyris, Amphion, Musaeus, Orpheus, Demodocus, Phemius, the Sibyl, Epimenides of Crete who came to Sparta, Aristeas of Proconnesus who wrote the Arimaspea, Asbolus the Centaur, Isatis, Drymon, Euclus of Cyprus, Horus of Samos, and Pronapides of Athens. Linus was the teacher of Heracles, and Heracles is shown to have lived one generation before the Trojan War; this is clear from his son Tlepolemus, who fought against Troy. Orpheus lived at the same time as Heracles; moreover, they say that the works attributed to him were composed by Onomacritus of Athens, who lived under the rule of the Pisistratids, about the fiftieth Olympiad. Musaeus was a disciple of Orpheus. Amphion, who lived two generations before the Trojan War, spares us from writing more for those who love learning. Demodocus and Phemius lived at the time of the Trojan War itself, for the one lived among the suitors and the other among the Phaeacians. Thamyris and Philammon are not much older than these. So concerning the works of each, and their dates and records, we have written for you, I think, with all precision. But to fill in what is still missing, I will also give the proof concerning those considered wise. Minos, who was thought to excel in every kind of wisdom, shrewdness, and lawgiving, lived in the time of Lynceus, who reigned after Danaus, in the eleventh generation after Inachus. Lycurgus, born long after the capture of Troy, gave laws to the Lacedaemonians one hundred years before the Olympiads. Draco is found to have lived about the thirty-ninth Olympiad; Solon about the forty-sixth; Pythagoras about the sixty-second. We have shown that the Olympiads began 407 years after the Trojan War. With these things proved, let us write briefly about the age of the seven sages too. Since Thales, the oldest of them, lived about the fiftieth Olympiad, what concerns those after him has also, more or less, been briefly told you.

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Summary: Moses is older also than the legendary poets before Homer and than the Greek lawgivers and sages.

  • Demodocus is the bard of the Phaeacians and Phemius the bard among Penelope's suitors in the Odyssey; Tatian's “the one … the other” gives them in reverse order.
  • “Amphion … spares us from writing more” is literal; the sense seems to be that Amphion's date needs no further proof.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (misspelling: ὀλυμπεάδα for ὀλυμπιάδα): πεντηκοστὴν ὀλυμπεάδα → πεντηκοστὴν ὀλυμπιάδα.

Topics: Scripture and canon

Cite (SBL): Tatian, Or. Graec. 41 (Otto 6:154–162; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/tatian-oration/41).

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Chapter 42

42Otto 6:162–164

Ταῦτα ὑμῖν, ὦ ἄνδρες Ἕλληνες, ὁ κατὰ βαρβάρους φιλοσοφῶν Τατιανὸς συνέταξα, γεννηθεὶς μὲν ἐν τῇ τῶν Ἀσσυρίων γῇ, παιδευθεὶς δὲ πρῶτον μὲν τὰ ὑμέτερα, δεύτερον δὲ ἅτινα νῦν κηρύττειν ἐπαγγέλλομαι. Γινώσκων δὲ λοιπὸν τίς ὁ θεὸς καὶ τίς ἡ κατʼ αὐτὸν ποίησις, ἕτοιμον ἐμαυτὸν ὑμῖν πρὸς τὴν ἀνάκρισιν τῶν δογμάτων παρίστημι, μενούσης μοι τῆς κατὰ θεὸν πολιτείας ἀνεξαρνήτου.

Tauta hymin, ō andres Hellēnes, ho kata barbarous philosophōn Tatianos synetaxa, gennētheis men en tę̄ tōn Assyriōn gę̄, paideutheis de prōton men ta hymetera, deuteron de hatina nyn kēryttein epangellomai. Ginōskōn de loipon tis ho theos kai tis hē katʼ auton poiēsis, hetoimon emauton hymin pros tēn anakrisin tōn dogmatōn paristēmi, menousēs moi tēs kata theon politeias anexarnētou.

These things, men of Greece, I, Tatian, who pursue philosophy in the manner of the barbarians, have composed for you. I was born in the land of the Assyrians, and was educated first in your learning, and afterwards in what I now profess to proclaim. Knowing now who God is and what his creation is, I present myself to you ready to be examined on my teachings, while my way of life according to God remains one I will never deny.

Notes and citation

Summary: Tatian signs off: an Assyrian by birth, educated in Greek learning, now a Christian ready to be examined but never to deny his faith.

  • “The land of the Assyrians” probably means Syria or the region east of the Euphrates (Adiabene); the exact place is disputed.
  • “Ready to be examined” (ἀνάκρισις) is the language of a judicial hearing.

Topics: Persecution

Cite (SBL): Tatian, Or. Graec. 42 (Otto 6:162–164; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/tatian-oration/42).

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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Greek text of Otto (1851); made independently of existing English translations.