Replies on behalf of Augustine to the Objections of the Vincentians (complete)
Latin text: Migne, PL 51 (Latin text: Migne, Patrologia Latina, digitized by Open Greek and Latin (patrologia_latina-dev, University of Leipzig), CC BY-SA 4.0).English: Claude (claude-opus-5-5), public domain (CC0).
Replies on behalf of Augustine to the Objections of the Vincentians 0
0PL 51:178a–178b
Præfatio. Quidam Christianæ ac a fraternæ cha ritatis obiti, in tantum existimationem nostram quo quo modo student lædere, ut suam se evertere nocendi cupiditate non vadeant. Contexunt enim et. qualibus possunt sententiis, comprehendunt ineptissimarum quarumdam blasphemiarum prodigiosa mendacia; eaque ostendenda et ingerenda multis publice priva timque circumferunt: asserentes taliain nostro sensu esse qualia diabolico continentur ind cito. Quæ falso in nos, ad excitandam invidiam, jactitari, facile et sufficienter subscriptione unius probaremus anathe matis; nisi malignitas eorum, quise gravari putant si de nobis bene sentiutur, ipsam subscriptionis no stræ brevitatem suspectam esset habitura. Unde ne hujus querele inveniretur occasio, necessarium conveniensque b credidimus, ut sive ad calu mniantium animos mitigand us, sive ad cos quorum auribus tale ali quid insonuit instruendos, quantum adjuvante Domino fieri potuerit, plene lucideque pandamus quid de perversis definitionibus judicemus, Propositis igitur singillatim sedecim capitulis, sub unoquoque corum, sensus nostri, et fidei quam con- I..:. Pelagianos es apostolicæ scdis auctoritate defen dimus. verba c ponemus: ut qui paululum se ad le genda hæ c dignati fuerint occupare, evidenter agno. scant impiarum profanarumque opinionumnultum cordibus nostris inhæsisse vestigium; et blasphemias quas perspexerint nostra professione damnari, in ca rumdem reper toribuscenseant deberc puniri. aLIBER RESPONSIONUM.
Preface. Certain people, forgetful of Christian and brotherly charity, are so eager to injure our reputation in one way or another that they do not see that they overturn their own by their desire to do harm. For they weave together, with whatever statements they can, monstrous lies made of certain utterly absurd blasphemies; and they carry these about publicly and privately to show them and press them on many, asserting that such things are in our understanding as are contained in this diabolical list. That these things are falsely bandied about against us to stir up ill will we could easily and sufficiently prove by subscribing a single anathema, were it not that the malice of those who think themselves burdened if anyone thinks well of us would regard the very brevity of our subscription as suspect. So, lest occasion be found for this complaint, we have thought it necessary and fitting, whether to calm the minds of the slanderers or to instruct those in whose ears something of the kind has sounded, to set out fully and clearly, as far as the Lord’s help allows, what we judge of these perverse definitions. Setting out the sixteen headings one by one, then, under each of them we shall put the words of our understanding and of the faith which we defend against the Pelagians by the authority of the apostolic see; so that those who deign to spend a little time reading these things may plainly recognize that no trace of impious and profane opinions has clung to our hearts, and may judge that the blasphemies which they see condemned by our profession ought to be punished in those who invented them. The book of answers.
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Summary: Prosper explains that he answers sixteen slanderous headings attributed to Augustine's followers in full, rather than by a bare anathema, so that readers may see the blasphemies are not theirs.
- Migne’s column numbers removed. The objections are traditionally called those of the “Vincentians”; their author is not named in the text.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (Migne's column number): atio. 227 Quida → atio. Quida; asio, 228 neces → asio, neces.
Topics: Heresy
Cite (SBL): Prosper of Aquitaine, Resp. Vinc. pref. (PL 51:178a–178b; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/prosper-responsiones-vincentianarum/0). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Chapter 1
1PL 51:178b–179a
PRIMUM. OBJECTIO. b Quod Dominus noster Jesus Christus non pro on nium hominum solute et redemptione sit passus. RESPONSIO. Contra vulnus originalis peccati,.qno in Adam omnium hominum corrupta et mortificata natura est, et unde omnium concupiscent arum morbus inolevit, verum et potens ac singulare remedium est mors Filii Dei f Domini nostri Jesu Christi; qui li ber a mortis debito et solus abque peccato, pro peccatoribus et debitoribus d mortis est mortuus. Quod ergo ad magnitudinem et potentiam pretii, et quod ad unaui pertinet causam generis humani, sanguis Christi redemptio est totius mun die Sed qui hoc sæculum sine fide Chrisi et sine regenerationis si ramento pertranseunt redemptio nis aleni sunt. Cum itaque propter unam omnuim naturam, et unam omnium causam a Domino nostro in veritate susceptam. rei te omnes dicantur redem pti, cl tamennon omnes a captivitate sint eruti; re demtionis proprietas hand dubie penes illos est, de quibus princeps mundi mi sus est foras, et jam non vasa diaboli, sed membrasunt Ch risti. C ujus mors non ita impensa est humano generi, ut ad te demptionem ejus etiam qui regenerandi non erant pertinerint; e sed ita, ut quod per unicum exemplum gestum est pro universis, per singulare sacramentum celebrartur in singulis. Poculum quippe immortalitatis, quod confectum est de infirmita e nostra et virtute divina, habet quidem in se ut omnibus prosit; sed si non bibitur, non me detur.
First. Objection: That our Lord Jesus Christ did not suffer for the salvation and redemption of all human beings.
Answer. Against the wound of original sin, by which the nature of all human beings was corrupted and put to death in Adam, and from which the disease of all the desires has grown, the true, powerful, and unique remedy is the death of the Son of God, our Lord Jesus Christ, who, free of the debt of death and alone without sin, died for sinners and debtors to death. As regards the greatness and power of the price, then, and as regards the one cause of the human race, the blood of Christ is the redemption of the whole world. But those who pass through this world without faith in Christ and without the sacrament of regeneration are strangers to redemption. Since, then, because of the one nature of all and the one cause of all truly taken up by our Lord, all are rightly said to be redeemed, and yet not all are rescued from captivity, the property of redemption without doubt belongs to those from whom the prince of the world has been cast out, and who are no longer vessels of the devil but members of Christ. His death was not bestowed on the human race in such a way that its redemption extended also to those who were not to be regenerated; but so that what was done for all by one unique example is celebrated in each by a singular sacrament. For the cup of immortality, which was compounded of our weakness and divine power, has in itself the power to benefit all; but if it is not drunk, it does not heal.
Rom 5:12 (allusion, medium confidence) · John 12:31 (allusion, high confidence) · 1 John 2:2 (allusion, medium confidence)
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Summary: Prosper answers that Christ's blood is the redemption of the whole world in its price and power, but its effect belongs only to those reborn by faith and the sacrament, as a cup heals only if drunk.
- Prosper’s distinction between the sufficiency of Christ’s death for all and its effect in the regenerate is translated as written. Migne’s column numbers removed. Allusions: Rom 5:12; John 12:31; 1 John 2:2.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (Migne's column number): tuus. 230 Quod → tuus. Quod ; d per 231 unicu → d per unicu.
Topics: Christology, Baptism
Cite (SBL): Prosper of Aquitaine, Resp. Vinc. 1 (PL 51:178b–179a; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/prosper-responsiones-vincentianarum/1). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Chapter 2
2PL 51:179a–179c
OBJECTIO. Quod Deus nolit omnes salvare, etiamsi omnes salvari velint. RESPONSIO. Cum VeriUs dicat ( Matth. VII, i1 ): Si vos cum sitis mali. nostis bona data dare filiis vestris, quanto magis Pater vester coelestis dabit bona petntibus se? qui fieri potest ut Deus, qui etiam illos salvat, de quibus dici non potest quod salvari velint, nolit aliquos salvare etiam si salvari velint, nisi aliquae causæ exsistant de quibus, quamvis sint nobis in gnoscibiles, a ille tamen bene judicat, de quo dici non potest, aliter eum quidquam facere debuisse quam fecerit? Remota ergo hac discretione, quam devina scientia intra secretum jusittiæ suæ conti net, sincerissime credendum atque profitendum est Deum velle ut omnes homines salvi fiant. Siquidem Apostolus, cujus ista sententia est, sollicitissime praecipit, quod in omnibus Ecclesiis piissime custoditur, ut Deo pro omnibus bominibus supplicetur: ex quibus quud multi pereunt, pereun tium. est meritum; quod multi salvantur, salvantis est donum. Ut enim rcus damnetur, inculpabilis Dei justitia est; ut autem reus justificetur, ineffa bilis Dei gratia est.
Objection: That God does not wish to save all, even if all wish to be saved.
Answer. Since the Truth says, “If you, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give good things to those who ask him?”, how can it be that God, who saves even those of whom it cannot be said that they wish to be saved, does not wish to save some even if they wish to be saved, unless some causes exist of which, though they are unknowable to us, he nevertheless judges rightly, of whom it cannot be said that he ought to have done anything otherwise than he did? Setting aside, then, this discernment which the divine knowledge keeps within the secret of its justice, it is to be believed and professed most sincerely that God wills all human beings to be saved. For the Apostle, whose statement this is, most carefully commands, as is most devoutly observed in all the churches, that supplication be made to God for all human beings. That many of them perish is the desert of those who perish; that many are saved is the gift of the one who saves. For that the guilty is condemned is the blameless justice of God; but that the guilty is justified is the ineffable grace of God.
Matt 7:11 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Tim 2:4 (allusion, high confidence) · 1 Tim 2:1 (allusion, high confidence)
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Summary: Prosper affirms that God wills all to be saved, as the church's prayer for all shows, while the perishing of many is their own desert and the salvation of many God's gift.
- Quotation: Matt 7:11. Allusions: 1 Tim 2:1–4.
Topics: Prayer
Cite (SBL): Prosper of Aquitaine, Resp. Vinc. 2 (PL 51:179a–179c; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/prosper-responsiones-vincentianarum/2). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Chapter 3
3PL 51:179c–179a
OBJECTO. Quod Deus majorem partem generis humani ad hoc creet, ut illam perdat in æternum. RESPONSIO. Omnium quidem hominum creator est Deus, sed nfmo ab eo ideo creatus est, nt periret: quia alia est causa nascendi, et b alia est causa pereundi. Ut enim nascantur homines conditoris est beneficium; ut autem pereant, prævaricatoris est meritum. In Adam quippe, in quo omnium hominum præformata natura est, omnes peccaverunt t ea demque sententia quam ille excepit obstricti sunt. Nequeah hoc vineolA, etiam si propriis peccatis careant, resolvuntur, nisi in sacramento mor tis et resurrectionis Christi per Spiritum sanctum renascantur. Nimis ergo impius et indoctus est qui vitium naturæ; non disceruit ab auctore naturae a quo prorsus alienum est quidquid in nonquoque c damnandum est. Creat enim homines, ut sint ho mines: nec multiplicandis generationumsuccessio nibus opificium suum subtrahit, secundum consilium bonae volutatis suæ; reparaturus in muliis quod ipse fecit, puniturus in multis quod ipse non fecit. Sicut d enim per inobedientiam unius ho minis peccatores constituti sunt multi, ita et per unius hominis obedientiam justi constituuntur multi.
Objection: That God creates the greater part of the human race for this, that he may destroy it forever.
Answer. God is indeed the creator of all human beings, but no one was created by him in order to perish; for the cause of being born is one thing and the cause of perishing another. That human beings are born is the kindness of the Creator; that they perish is the desert of the transgressor. For in Adam, in whom the nature of all human beings was formed beforehand, all sinned and were bound by the same sentence that he received. From this bond, even if they lack sins of their own, they are not released unless they are reborn through the Holy Spirit in the sacrament of Christ’s death and resurrection. Most impious and ignorant, then, is he who does not distinguish the fault of nature from the author of nature, to whom whatever is to be condemned in anyone is wholly foreign. For he creates human beings that they may be human beings; and he does not withdraw his workmanship from the multiplying successions of the generations, according to the counsel of his good will, being about to restore in many what he himself made, and to punish in many what he himself did not make. For “as through the disobedience of one man the many were made sinners, so through the obedience of one man the many are made righteous.”
Rom 5:12 (allusion, high confidence) · Rom 5:19 (quotation, high confidence) · Eph 1:5 (allusion, low confidence)
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Summary: Prosper answers that God creates no one in order to perish; all sinned in Adam and are freed only by rebirth in the sacrament, and God restores his own work and punishes what he did not make.
- Quotation: Rom 5:19. Allusions: Rom 5:12; Eph 1:5.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (Migne's column number): nisi 232 in sa → nisi in sa.
Topics: Baptism
Cite (SBL): Prosper of Aquitaine, Resp. Vinc. 3 (PL 51:179c–179a; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/prosper-responsiones-vincentianarum/3). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Chapter 4
4PL 51:179a–179c
OBJECTIO. Quod major pars generis humani ad hoe creatur a Deo, ut non Dei, sed diaboli facial voluntatem. RESPONSIO. Insanum omnino et contra rationem est dicere, voluntatem Dei ex Dei voluntate non fieri, et damna torem diaholi ejusque famulornm. velle Ut diabolo serviatur. Sed hoc catholicis Pelagiani consequen-* ter se objicere existimant, qui Adæ peccatum trans isse in oues diffitentur: quoniam si primam nati vitatem originalis culpa non obliget, non aim obno xii diabolo parvuli, c nec indigeant erui de potestata tenebrarum qui numquam a suo auctore discesse rint. Nos autem qui omneo in Adam periisse profi temur (Venit enim Filius homini. quærere et salvare quod perierat [Luc. xix, 10 ]), nec dicimus ideo creari quemquam hominem, ut diaboli faciat volun tatem; et agnoscimus omnem hominem non redem ptum diabolo esse captivum Prævaricatio enim hominum dispositæ a sæculis creationis ordinem turbare non potuit, et f merito creatura peccatrix pœnalem dominationem illius patitur cui, relicto vero Domino, sponte se vendidit. Hæc quippe sere vitus non institutio est Dei, sed judicium; quo fraus deceptoris diaholi facta esi decepto et male credulo homini pœna peccati. De quanemo ernitur,. nisi per mediatorem Dei et hominum hominem Christum Jesuum cnjus gratuita gratia, et multorum malis meritis non tribuitur, etnullorum bonis meritis præ venitur.
Objection: That the greater part of the human race is created by God for this, that it may do not God’s will but the devil’s.
Answer. It is altogether insane and against reason to say that God’s will is not done by God’s will, and that the one who condemns the devil and his servants wills that the devil be served. But the Pelagians think they consistently raise this against catholics, since they deny that Adam’s sin passed to all; for if original guilt does not bind the first birth, infants are no longer subject to the devil, nor do those need to be rescued from the power of darkness who never departed from their author. But we, who profess that all perished in Adam (for “the Son of Man came to seek and to save what was lost”), do not say that any human being is created in order to do the devil’s will; and we acknowledge that every human being not redeemed is the devil’s captive. For the transgression of human beings could not disturb the order of creation arranged from the ages; and the sinful creature deservedly suffers the penal dominion of him to whom, having left the true Lord, it sold itself of its own accord. This servitude is not God’s institution but his judgment, by which the fraud of the deceiving devil became, for the deceived and credulous man, the punishment of sin. From it no one is rescued except through the mediator between God and human beings, the man Christ Jesus, whose free grace is neither withheld because of the evil merits of many nor anticipated by the good merits of any.
Luke 19:10 (quotation, high confidence) · Col 1:13 (allusion, high confidence) · 1 Tim 2:5 (quotation, high confidence)
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Summary: Prosper answers that no one is created to do the devil's will; the unredeemed are the devil's captives by God's just judgment on sin, and only Christ's free grace rescues them.
- “Neither withheld because of” renders non tribuitur (literally “not assigned”) by sense. Migne’s footnote markers are left in the Latin. Quotation: Luke 19:10. Allusions: Col 1:13; 1 Tim 2:5.
Topics: Heresy
Cite (SBL): Prosper of Aquitaine, Resp. Vinc. 4 (PL 51:179a–179c; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/prosper-responsiones-vincentianarum/4). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Chapter 5
5PL 51:179c–181b
v. OBJECTIO. Quod peccatorum nostrorum auctor sit Deus: eo quod malam faciat voluntatem hominum, plasmet substan tiam quæ naturali motu g nihil possit nisi peCcari. RESPONSIO. Hujus quoque objectionis vanitas de illa procedit schola inqua n atura humana immunis a peccato Adae et illaesa defenditur; ut quia omnes homines prævaricationis reos ct h damnationiobnoxios nasci, periturosque nisi in Christo renascantur, asserimus, eumdem videamur dicere auctorem culpæ, quem profitemur conditorem esse naturae. Quod nos a senu nostro penitis abdicamus, qui Deum justum et bonum, sic humanae substantiæ, i et interiorum exteriorumque sensum novimus creature,,,,. ut. pror sus ab illo sit quidquid pertinet ad naturam, et prorsus a ab illo non sit quidquid contra naturam est. Peccatum autem contra naturam est de quo mors et omnia quæ sunt moris oriuntur. Quibus malis tunc se homo induit, quando illum fide obe drentiaque privatam, in suas promissiones diabolus a Dei lege tra luxit, omniaque po teritatis ejus germi na sibi per conditi' nem depravatæ stirpis obstrinxit. Unde si qua in Christo nova creatura esi (II Cor. XVII), b libera fit diabolo, et subjicitur Deo, reformata a deformitate sua, ad imaginem ejus qui ereavit eam. Quod nisi fiat, remanet in illo in quo omnes moriuntur, non babens sortem in eo in qno omnes vivificantur. Non igitur cujusquam peccati c auct r Deus, sed naturae creator cst. Quæ cum poiestate u habuerit non delinquendi, sponte deli quit, et deceptori suo propria voluntaie se subdidit. Nec naturali, sed captivo motu versatur in vitio, donec moriatur peccato et vivat Deo; quod sine gratia Dei facere non potest; quia libertatem quam liberiate perdidit, nisi Christo liberante non recipit. Non est enim aliud nomen sub cœlo datum hominibus, in quo oporteat salvo. fieri.
Objection: That God is the author of our sins, in that he makes the will of human beings evil and forms a substance which by natural motion can do nothing but sin.
Answer. The emptiness of this objection too proceeds from that school in which human nature is defended as immune from Adam’s sin and unharmed; so that, because we assert that all human beings are born guilty of the transgression and liable to condemnation, and will perish unless they are reborn in Christ, we may seem to call the same one the author of guilt whom we profess to be the founder of nature. This we utterly renounce from our understanding, since we know God, just and good, as the creator of human substance and of the inner and outer senses in such a way that whatever belongs to nature is wholly from him, and whatever is against nature is wholly not from him. Sin is against nature, and from it arise death and all that belongs to death. Man clothed himself with these evils when the devil drew him, deprived of faith and obedience, away from God’s law into his own promises, and bound to himself all the shoots of his posterity through the condition of a depraved stock. Hence “if anyone is a new creature in Christ,” he is made free of the devil and subject to God, re-formed from his deformity “to the image of him who created him.” Unless this happens, he remains in him in whom all die, having no share in him in whom all are made alive. God, then, is not the author of anyone’s sin, but the creator of nature. Nature, though it had the power not to sin, sinned of its own accord and subjected itself to its deceiver by its own will. And it moves in vice not by a natural but by a captive motion, until it dies to sin and lives to God; which it cannot do without God’s grace, since the freedom which it lost by its freedom it does not recover unless Christ sets it free. “For there is no other name under heaven given to human beings by which we must be saved.”
2 Cor 5:17 (quotation, high confidence) · Col 3:10 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Cor 15:22 (allusion, high confidence) · Rom 6:10–11 (allusion, high confidence) · John 8:36 (allusion, medium confidence) · Acts 4:12 (quotation, high confidence)
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Summary: Prosper answers that God, creator of nature, is not the author of sin, which is against nature; man fell by his own will and recovers freedom only through Christ's grace.
- Quotations: 2 Cor 5:17; Col 3:10; Acts 4:12. Allusions: 1 Cor 15:22; Rom 6:10–11; John 8:36.
Topics: Heresy
Cite (SBL): Prosper of Aquitaine, Resp. Vinc. 5 (PL 51:179c–181b; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/prosper-responsiones-vincentianarum/5). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Chapter 6
6PL 51:181b–181d
OBJECTIO. Quod Deus tale in hominibus plasmet orbitrium, quate est dæmonum, quod proprio motu nihil aliud d possit velle, nisi malum. REsPONSIO. Totus quidem mundus, sicut ait Joannes apostolus, in maligno positus est; et multorum hominum talis est malitia, qualis et dæmo num. Qualibus dicebat Dominus: Progenies viperarum, quomodo potestis bona loqui, cum sitis mali? et, Vos de diabolo patre nati estis, et cou cupiscentias patris vestri fucere vultis. Sed hoc inter malos homn s distat et damones § quod hominibus etiam valde malis superest, M Deus misercatur. reconciliatio; dæmonibus autem nulla est in æterium servata conversio. Sicut rgo præva ricatoribus angelis non Deus indidit illam, quæ in veritate non stetit (Ibid.). voluntaem, in nec ho minibus hunc affectum, quo diabolum imitarentur, inseruit. Mendax enim de proprio loquitur (Ibid.); et hber a mendacio non erit, nisi eum vcritas libe raverit.
Objection: That God forms in human beings a choice like that of the demons, which by its own motion can will nothing but evil.
Answer. The whole world indeed, as the apostle John says, lies in the evil one, and the malice of many human beings is like that of the demons. To such the Lord said, “Brood of vipers, how can you speak good things when you are evil?” and, “You are of your father the devil, and you want to do your father’s desires.” But between evil human beings and the demons there is this difference: for human beings, even very evil ones, reconciliation remains, if God has mercy; but for the demons no conversion is kept in store forever. Just as, then, God did not put into the transgressing angels the will which “did not stand in the truth,” so neither did he implant in human beings this disposition by which they would imitate the devil. For “the liar speaks from his own”; and he will not be free of lying unless the truth sets him free.
1 John 5:19 (allusion, high confidence) · Matt 12:34 (quotation, high confidence) · John 8:44 (quotation, high confidence) · John 8:32 (allusion, high confidence)
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Summary: Prosper answers that God did not implant a demonic will in human beings, who, unlike demons, can still be reconciled by God's mercy.
- Quotations: Matt 12:34; John 8:44. Allusions: 1 John 5:19; John 8:32.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (Migne's column number): is et 234 dæmo → is et dæmo.
Cite (SBL): Prosper of Aquitaine, Resp. Vinc. 6 (PL 51:181b–181d; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/prosper-responsiones-vincentianarum/6). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Chapter 7
7PL 51:181d–181a
OBJECTIO. Quod hæc sit voluntas Dei. III magna pars Christianorum salva esse nec velit, nec possit. RESPONSIO. Si de bis hoc dicitur qui pietatem Christianæ con tersationis et fidei deserentes, in profanos errores aut in damnabiles mores irrevocabiliter transierunt, non dubium est quod talem voluntatem habentes salvi esse nolunt; et quamdu salvi esse nolunt v salvi esse non possunt. Sed nullo modo credendum est hujusmodi homines in hanc desperationem ex Dei voluntate cecidisse: cum potius allevet Domi nus omnes qui corruunt, et erigat omnes elisos. Nemo enim nisi illius gratia erigi lur, nemo nisi illius gratia stabilitur. Dei ergo vo luntas est, ut in bona voluntate maneatur: qui et prius quam deseratur, neminem deserit; et mulios desertores sæpe convertit.
Objection: That this is the will of God, that a great part of Christians should neither wish nor be able to be saved.
Answer. If this is said of those who, deserting the piety of Christian life and faith, have passed irrevocably into profane errors or damnable morals, there is no doubt that, having such a will, they do not wish to be saved; and as long as they do not wish to be saved, they cannot be saved. But in no way is it to be believed that such people fell into this despair by God’s will, since rather “the Lord lifts up all who fall and raises up all who are cast down.” For no one is raised except by his grace, and no one is established except by his grace. It is God’s will, then, that one remain in good will; he forsakes no one before he is forsaken, and he often converts many deserters.
Ps 145:14 (144:14 LXX) (quotation, high confidence)
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Summary: Prosper answers that those who abandon the faith do not wish to be saved, but not by God's will, which raises the fallen and forsakes no one before being forsaken.
- Quotation: Ps 145:14 (LXX 144:14).
Cite (SBL): Prosper of Aquitaine, Resp. Vinc. 7 (PL 51:181d–181a; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/prosper-responsiones-vincentianarum/7). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Chapter 8
8PL 51:181a–181b
OBJECTIO. * Quod nolit Deus, ut omnes catholici in fide cathofica perseverent, sed velit ut magna exindo par apostatet. RESPONSIO Non est dissimilis blasphemiæ hujus impietas, a præcedente sententia; quod ergo ad illam, hoc etiam ad istam, quae in nullo est diversa, responsum sit.
Objection: That God does not will that all catholics persevere in the catholic faith, but wills that a great part of them apostatize.
Answer. The impiety of this blasphemy is not unlike the preceding statement; so let what was answered to that be the answer to this too, since it differs from it in nothing.
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Summary: Prosper refers this objection to his previous answer.
Cite (SBL): Prosper of Aquitaine, Resp. Vinc. 8 (PL 51:181a–181b; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/prosper-responsiones-vincentianarum/8). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Chapter 9
9PL 51:181b–181c
OBJECTJO. Quod velit Deus ut magna pars sanctorum a sancti tatis proposito ruat. RESPONSIO. Nec hujns definitionis insania aliud sonat quam gemina objectio prælocuta est. Unde miran dum est objicientem tertio repetisse quod semel C dixisse suffecerat: sed, ut res est, numerum crimi nationis augere voluit, quia sensum variare non potuit.
Objection: That God wills that a great part of the saints fall from their purpose of holiness.
Answer. The madness of this definition too says nothing other than what the twofold objection before it has said. Hence one must wonder that the objector repeated a third time what it had sufficed to say once; but, as the case is, he wanted to increase the number of the charges because he could not vary their sense.
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Summary: Prosper notes that this objection merely repeats the two before it.
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Cite (SBL): Prosper of Aquitaine, Resp. Vinc. 9 (PL 51:181b–181c; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/prosper-responsiones-vincentianarum/9). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Chapter 10
10PL 51:181c–183a
OBJECTIO. Quod adulteria et corruptelæ virginum sacrarum ideo contingunt, quia illas Deus ad hoc prædestinavit ut caderent. RESPONSIO. Detestanda et abominanda opinio, quae Deum cu jusquam mala voluntatis aut malae actionis credit auctorem: cujus prædestinatio numquam extra bo nitatem, numquam extra justitiam est. Universæ enim viæ Domini mistricordia et veritas. Adulteria enim f maritatarum, et corruptelas virginum non instituere novit sancta Divinitas, sed damnare; nec disponere, sed punire. Quæ mala ho miues cuM admittant,suis concupiscentiis et cupi ditatibus serviunt, quas ab illa prima voluntariæ prævaricationis labe traxerunt: cum autem decli nant a malo et faciunt bonum, a Domino gressus ho minis diriguntur, et viam ejus volet. PrOpter quod dicit Apostulus, Oramus autem I ad Deum, ut nihil mali faciatis; non ut nos probat appareamus, sed ut vos quod bonum est faciatis. Non ergo casus ruentium, nec maliguit item iniqnorum, neque cupiditates peccantium prædestinatio Dei, aut excilavit, aut suasit, aut impulit: sed plane prædestina vit judicium suum, quo uni cuique retributurus est prout gessit, sive bonum, sive malum. Quod judicium futurum omnino non esset, si homines Dei voluntate peccarent. Erit autem manifestissime: et omnis homo quem discretio di vinae scientiæ in sinistra constituerit parte, damna bitur; quia non Dei, sed suam exsecutus est vo luntatem.
Objection: That adulteries and the seductions of consecrated virgins happen because God predestined them to fall.
Answer. A detestable and abominable opinion, which believes God to be the author of anyone’s evil will or evil action, whose predestination is never outside goodness, never outside justice. “For all the ways of the Lord are mercy and truth.” The holy Godhead knows how not to institute but to condemn the adulteries of married women and the seductions of virgins, not to arrange them but to punish them. When human beings commit these evils, they serve their own desires and lusts, which they have drawn from that first stain of voluntary transgression; but when they turn away from evil and do good, “a man’s steps are directed by the Lord, and he will desire his way.” For this reason the Apostle says: “We pray to God that you do nothing evil; not that we may appear approved, but that you may do what is good.” The predestination of God, then, has neither stirred up nor persuaded nor driven the falls of those who fall, the malice of the wicked, or the lusts of sinners; but he plainly predestined his judgment, by which he will repay each one according to what he has done, whether good or evil. This judgment would not take place at all if human beings sinned by God’s will. But it will take place most manifestly; and every human being whom the discernment of divine knowledge places on the left side will be condemned, because he followed not God’s will but his own.
Ps 25:10 (24:10 LXX) (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 34:14 (33:15 LXX) (allusion, medium confidence) · Ps 37:23 (36:23 LXX) (quotation, high confidence) · 2 Cor 13:7 (quotation, high confidence) · 2 Cor 5:10 (allusion, high confidence) · Matt 25:33 (allusion, high confidence)
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Summary: Prosper answers that God predestines no one to adultery or seduction but condemns them; what he predestined is his just judgment on each according to their deeds.
- Quotations: Ps 25:10 (LXX 24:10); Ps 37:23 (LXX 36:23); 2 Cor 13:7. Allusions: Ps 34:14 (LXX 33:15); 2 Cor 5:10; Matt 25:33.
Cite (SBL): Prosper of Aquitaine, Resp. Vinc. 10 (PL 51:181c–183a; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/prosper-responsiones-vincentianarum/10). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Chapter 11
11PL 51:183a–183c
OBJECTIO. Quod quando incestant patres filias, et matres filios, vel quando servi dommo, occidunt, ideo fiat, quia ita Deus prædestinavit ut fieret. RESPONSIO. Si diabolo objiceretur quod talium facinorum ipse auctor, ipse esset incentor; puto quod aliqua ratione exonerare se hac posset invidia, et talium scele rum A patratores de ipsorum voluntate con vinceret; quia etsi dcle tatus est furore peccantum, probaret tamen se non intulisse vim criminum. Qua ergo insipientia, quave dementia definitur ad Dei referendum esse consilium, quod nUc diabolo in In. tum ascribi potest, qui in peccantum flagitiis illece brarum adjutor, non voluntatum credendus est esse generator? Nihil ergo talium negotiorum Deus præ dest navit ut fieret; b nec ullam animam nequiter turpiterque victuram, ad hoc ut taliter viveret, præparavit; sed talem futuram non ignoravit, et de tali juste se judicaturum esse præscivit. Atque ita ad propdestinationem ejus nihil aliud referri potest, nisi quod aut ad debitam justitiæ retributionem, aut ad indebitam pertiuet gratia; largitatem.
Objection: That when fathers commit incest with their daughters and mothers with their sons, or when slaves kill their masters, it happens because God so predestined that it should happen.
Answer. If the devil were charged with being himself the author and instigator of such crimes, I think he could in some way clear himself of this odium and convict the perpetrators of such crimes on the ground of their own will; for though he delighted in the fury of sinners, he would yet prove that he had not applied the force that produced the crimes. With what folly, then, or what madness is it defined that God’s counsel is the source of what cannot even be wholly ascribed to the devil, who in the shameful deeds of sinners is to be believed the helper of enticements, not the generator of wills? God, then, predestined none of such deeds to be done; nor did he prepare any soul that would live wickedly and shamefully for the purpose of living so; but he was not ignorant that it would be such, and he foreknew that he would judge such a one justly. And so nothing can be referred to his predestination except what pertains either to the due retribution of justice or to the undue largess of grace.
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Summary: Prosper answers that God foreknows but does not predestine crimes such as incest and murder; his predestination concerns only just retribution and free grace.
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Cite (SBL): Prosper of Aquitaine, Resp. Vinc. 11 (PL 51:183a–183c; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/prosper-responsiones-vincentianarum/11). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Chapter 12
12PL 51:183c–183A d
OBJECTIO. Quod Dei prædestinatione efficiantur de filiis Dei filii diaboli, et de templo sancti Spiritus templa da monum, et de membris Christi membra meretricit. RESPONSIO. Prædestinatio Dei etsi apud nos, dum in praesen lis vitæ pericul s versamur, incerta est; apud illum tamem qui fecit quæ futura sunt incommutabilis p rmanet. Nec quæ illumina vit obcæcat, nec quæ ædificavit destruit, nec quæ plantavit evellit. Sine pænitentia enim sunt dona et vocatio Dei; et, firmum fnndamentum Dei stat, habens signaculum hoc; cogno bi, Dominus qui sunt ejus. Nullo igitur modo c Dei prædestinatio facit ut aliqui ex filiis Dei filii sin diaboli, aut ex templo sancti Spiritus d tem pia sint dæmonum, aut ex membris Christi fiant membra meretricis: sed potius prædestinatio facit ut ex fili s diaholi fiant filii Dei, et ex templo dæ monum e templum sint Spiritus sancti, et ex mem bris meretricis membra sint Christi. Quia ipse alli gat fortem, et vasa ejus rapit (Marc. iti, 27), eruens ea de potestate tenebrarum, et transferens de con tumilia in gloriam. Hi autem de qui bus dicitur; Ex nobis exierunt, sed non fuerunt ex nobis; si enim fuissent ex nobis, mansissent utique nobicum; voluntate exierunt, vo luntate ceciderunt. Et quia præsciti sunt casuri, non sunt prædestinati. Essent autem prædestinati, si es sent reversuri, et in sanctitate ac veritate mansuri. Ac per hoc praedestinatio Dei, multis est causa standi, nemini est causa labendi.
Objection: That by God’s predestination sons of God are made sons of the devil, temples of the Holy Spirit temples of demons, and members of Christ members of a harlot.
Answer. The predestination of God, though it is uncertain to us while we are amid the dangers of the present life, remains unchangeable with him who has made what is to be. He does not blind what he has enlightened, nor destroy what he has built, nor uproot what he has planted. For “the gifts and the calling of God are without repentance”; and “God’s firm foundation stands, having this seal: The Lord knows those who are his.” In no way, then, does God’s predestination cause some of the sons of God to be sons of the devil, or some of the temple of the Holy Spirit to be temples of demons, or some of the members of Christ to become members of a harlot; but rather predestination causes sons of the devil to become sons of God, temples of demons to be the temple of the Holy Spirit, and members of a harlot to be members of Christ. For he binds the strong man and plunders his goods, rescuing them from the power of darkness and transferring them from dishonour into glory. But those of whom it is said, “They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would surely have remained with us,” went out by their will and fell by their will. And because they were foreknown as going to fall, they were not predestined. They would have been predestined if they were going to return and remain in holiness and truth. And so God’s predestination is for many the cause of standing, for no one the cause of falling.
Rom 11:29 (quotation, high confidence) · 2 Tim 2:19 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Cor 3:16 (allusion, medium confidence) · 1 Cor 6:15 (allusion, high confidence) · Mark 3:27 (allusion, high confidence) · Col 1:13 (allusion, high confidence) · 1 John 2:19 (quotation, high confidence)
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Summary: Prosper answers that God's predestination makes sons of the devil sons of God, never the reverse; those who fall away fall by their own will and were not predestined.
- Prosper’s statements that predestination is unchangeable and that those foreknown to fall were not predestined are translated as written. Quotations: Rom 11:29; 2 Tim 2:19; 1 John 2:19. Allusions: 1 Cor 3:16; 6:15; Mark 3:27; Col 1:13.
Cite (SBL): Prosper of Aquitaine, Resp. Vinc. 12 (PL 51:183c–183A d; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/prosper-responsiones-vincentianarum/12). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Chapter 13
13PL 51:183a d–183c
OBJECTIO. Quod omnes illi fideles et sancti, qui ad alternam mor tem prædestinati sunt, quando ad vomitum suum relabuntur, vitio quidem suo hoc facere videntur, sed ipsius vitii causa esi divina prædestinatio, quæ illis latenter subtrahit bonas voluntates. RESPONSIO. Idem blasphemiarum spiritus perseverat, et a præ cedentibus mendaciis subsequens impietas non rece dit: quam prorsus vera ratio reprobat, et incunctan ter sana doctrina condemnai. Quia omnibus quidem a fide ad infidelitatem, a sanctitate ad turpitudinem relapsis, et ante finem vitæ nulla emendatione pur gatis, nihil aliud quam mors æterua debetur: sed ncfasest Deo ascribere causas lalium ruinarum; qui etsi ex æterna scientia præcognitum b abet, quid uniuscujuque meritis retributurus sit; nemini tamen per hoc quod falli nOli potest, aut necessitatem, aut voluntatem iutulit delinquendi. Si ergo a justitia et pietate quis deficit, suo in præceps fertur arbitrio, sua concupiscentia trahitur, sua persuasione decipi tur. Nihil ibi Pater, nihil Filius. nihil agit Spiritus sanctus: nec tali negotio quidquam divinæ vulunta tis intervenit, cojus opere nulLos scimus ne labe rentur retentos, nullos autem ut laberentur impul sos.
Objection: That all those faithful and holy people who are predestined to eternal death, when they slip back to their own vomit, seem indeed to do this by their own fault, but the cause of the fault itself is divine predestination, which secretly withdraws good wills from them.
Answer. The same spirit of blasphemies persists, and the following impiety does not depart from the preceding lies; true reason utterly rejects it and sound doctrine condemns it without hesitation. To all who have fallen back from faith to unbelief, from holiness to shamefulness, and have not been cleansed by any amendment before the end of life, nothing else is due but eternal death. But it is wicked to ascribe the causes of such ruins to God, who, though from his eternal knowledge he has foreknown what he will repay to each according to his merits, yet by the fact that he cannot be deceived has brought on no one either the necessity or the will to sin. If, then, anyone falls away from righteousness and piety, he is carried headlong by his own choice, drawn by his own lust, deceived by his own persuasion. There the Father does nothing, the Son nothing, the Holy Spirit nothing; nor does anything of the divine will intervene in such a business, by whose work we know that many have been held back from falling, but none driven to fall.
Prov 26:11 (allusion, high confidence) · 2 Pet 2:22 (allusion, high confidence)
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Summary: Prosper answers that those who fall away are carried by their own choice, and that God's foreknowledge imposes no necessity to sin.
- “Many have been held back” reads multos for the printed nullos (“none”), which makes the sentence contradict itself; the OCR shows a damaged word (nulLos). Allusions: Prov 26:11; 2 Pet 2:22.
Cite (SBL): Prosper of Aquitaine, Resp. Vinc. 13 (PL 51:183a d–183c; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/prosper-responsiones-vincentianarum/13). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Chapter 14
14PL 51:183c–185a
OBJECTIO. Quod magna pars illa Christianorum catholicorum fide lium atque sanctorum quæ ad ruinam et prilitionem prædestina a est, etiam si petal a Deo sanctitatis ius per severantiam, non impetrabit: eo quod muturi non potest divina prædestinatio, quæ ilus præordinavit, præparavit, præaptavit ut caderent. RESPONSIO. Ad prævaricationem legis, ad negletum religio nis, ad corruptelam disciplinae, ad desertionem fide!, ad perpetratione n qualiscumque peccati, nulla omnino est prædestinatio Dei: nec fieri potest ut per quem a talibus malis surgitur, per cum in talia decidatur. Si ergo in sanctitate vivitur, f si in vir tute proncitur, si in bonis studiis permanetur; mani-, festum munus est Dci, sine quo nullus boni operis tructus acquiritur: si autem ab his receditur, et ad vitia ac peccata transitur, nihil ibi Deus malae tentationis immittit, et recessurum non deserit ante fiam deseratur; et facit plerumque ne deserat, aut etiam, si discessit, ut redeat. Cur autem illum reti neat, i!lum non retincat; nec possibile est compre hedere, nec licitum a vestigare; clun scire sufficiat, et ab illo esse quod statur, et non ab illo esse quod ruitur.
Objection: That that great part of catholic Christians, faithful and holy, which is predestined to ruin and perdition, will not obtain perseverance in holiness even if it asks God for it, because divine predestination cannot be changed, which preordained, prepared, and fitted them to fall.
Answer. For the transgression of the law, for neglect of religion, for corruption of discipline, for desertion of the faith, for the commission of any sin whatever, there is no predestination of God at all; nor can it be that the one by whom one rises from such evils is the one by whom one falls into them. If, then, one lives in holiness, if one advances in virtue, if one remains in good pursuits, it is manifestly the gift of God, without whom no fruit of good work is acquired. But if one withdraws from these and passes over to vices and sins, God sends nothing of evil temptation into that, and he does not forsake the one who is about to withdraw before he is forsaken; and he often brings it about that the man does not forsake him, or even, if he has departed, that he returns. But why he holds back this one and does not hold back that one, it is neither possible to comprehend nor lawful to investigate; it suffices to know that standing is from him, and falling is not from him.
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Summary: Prosper answers that there is no predestination to sin; perseverance is God's gift, falling is not from God, and why God holds one back and not another cannot be known.
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Cite (SBL): Prosper of Aquitaine, Resp. Vinc. 14 (PL 51:183c–185a; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/prosper-responsiones-vincentianarum/14). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Chapter 15
15PL 51:185a–185c
OBJECTIO. Quod omnes illi fideles et sancti, qui ad æternam moitem prædestinati sunt, postea quam ceciderint, sic a Deo dispensentur, b ut nec possint nec velint perpænitentiam liberari. RESPONSIO. Non veraciter, nec sapienter boc dicitur. Qui enim a fide et sanctitatc exciderunt, sicut voluntate pro lapsi sunt, ita voluntate non surgunt, et dominatum concupiscentiarum, quibus succubuerunt, sponte pa tiuntur. Si qui autem captivitatem suam gemunt, et judicantes semetipsos. ad misericordiam Dei mutato corde confugiunt, non sine spiritu divinae visitationis hæc faciunt. Hæc c enim mutatio dexteræ Excelsi; qui innumeris lapsis dat pœnitentiam, ut resipiscant a diaboli laqueis, a quo caprivi tenebantur ad ipsius voluntatem. Nomini autem Deus correctionis adimit viam, nec quemquam honi possi bilitate dispoliat. Quin qui se a Deo avertit, ipse et velle quod bonum est, et posse sibi sustulit. Non est ergo consequens, sicut putant qui talia objiciunt, ut Deus quibus pœnitentiam non dederit, resipiscen tiam abstulerit et quos non levarit, alliserit: cum aliud sit insontem in crimeun egisse, quod alicnum est a Deo; aliud criminoso veniam non dedisse, quod de peccatoris est mei ito.
Objection: That all those faithful and holy people who are predestined to eternal death, after they have fallen, are so dealt with by God that they neither can nor will be freed through repentance.
Answer. This is said neither truly nor wisely. For those who have fallen from faith and holiness, just as they slipped by their will, so by their will they do not rise, and they suffer of their own accord the dominion of the lusts to which they succumbed. But if any groan over their captivity and, judging themselves, flee with changed heart to God’s mercy, they do not do this without the spirit of divine visitation. For “this is the change of the right hand of the Most High,” who gives repentance to countless fallen people, that they may come to their senses out of the snares of the devil, by whom they were held captive to his will. To no one does God take away the way of amendment, nor does he despoil anyone of the possibility of good. Rather, the one who turns away from God has himself taken from himself both the will and the power for what is good. It does not follow, then, as those who raise such objections think, that those to whom God has not given repentance he has deprived of the ability to come to their senses, and those he has not lifted up he has dashed down; for it is one thing to have driven an innocent person into crime, which is foreign to God, and another not to have given pardon to a criminal, which is due to the sinner’s desert.
Ps 77:10 (76:11 LXX) (quotation, high confidence) · 2 Tim 2:25–26 (allusion, high confidence)
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Summary: Prosper answers that the fallen remain fallen by their own will, that any return in repentance is God's work, and that withholding pardon from the guilty differs from driving the innocent to crime.
- Quotation: Ps 77:10 (LXX 76:11). Allusion: 2 Tim 2:25–26.
Cite (SBL): Prosper of Aquitaine, Resp. Vinc. 15 (PL 51:185a–185c; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/prosper-responsiones-vincentianarum/15). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Chapter 16
16PL 51:185c–187d
OВJECTIO. Quod magna pars illa fidelium atque sanctorum quæ ad æternam mortem prædestinata est, quando dicit Deo in oratione Dominica, F at voluntas tua, nihil aliud quam conta se petat, id est, ut cadant et ruunt: quia voluntas Dei hæc est ut æterna morte pereant. RESPONSIO. Non hoc Veritas dicii, quod hæc sit voluntas Dei ut fideles et sancti a fide atque innotentia ruant, et peream in a ternum: sed Veritas dicit (Joan. V!, 39): Hæc cst voluntas ejus qui me misit Patris, ut omne quod dedit mihi, non perdam ex eo quidquam, sed resuscitem illud in novissimo die. Quod ergo Pater Filio dedit, Filius omnino d non perdit. Idem enim dicit: Omne quod dat mihi Pater, a ad me veniet, et eum qui venit ad me, non ejiciam foras. Quod si per generalitatem vocationis, et per abundantiam bonitatis Dei, etiam non perseveraiuri per severaturis admixti sunt; hi cum a pietate deficiunt, non ex Dci opere, sed ex sua voluntate deficiunt; nec impelluntur ut cadant, nec ejiciuntur ut deseraut; casuri tamen et recessuri ab eo qui fali non potest præsciuntur. Quamdiu itaque iu oratione Dominica dicunt: Fiat voluntas tua; non hoc contra se petunt, quod Deus nullo modo ulla ratione factu rus est, id est, ut cadant et ruam; f ipsorum enim hoc nequitia, ipsorum est consummatura libertas. Sed plane illud contra se petunt, quod divinae voluntatis esse non dubium est; ut scilicet, cum ve nerit Filius hominis in majestate sua, et sederit super thronum gloriae suae, congregentur ante eum omnes gentes, g et separet eos ab invicem, alios ad dextram, alios statutus ad siu stram, et audiant eum dextri dicentem: Venite, benedicti Patris mei, possidere præparatum vobis h regum a constitu tione mundi: audiant et sinistri, Discedite a me, maledicti, in ignem æternum, quem paravit Pater mens diabolo et angelis ejus ( Ibid., 41). Igitur qui facturi non sunt voluntatem Dei, et petunt ut fiat voluntas Dei, in eo quod Dei voluntate faciendum est i audiuntur, ut imtatores diaboli cuæ diabolo judicentur. QUI ENIM voluntatem Dei sproverunt invitantem, voluntatem Dei sentient viudi cantem.
Objection: That that great part of the faithful and holy which is predestined to eternal death, when it says to God in the Lord’s Prayer, “Your will be done,” asks nothing else than what is against itself, that is, that they may fall and be ruined; because God’s will is that they perish in eternal death.
Answer. The Truth does not say that this is God’s will, that the faithful and holy fall from faith and innocence and perish eternally; but the Truth says: “This is the will of the Father who sent me, that of all that he has given me I should lose nothing, but raise it up on the last day.” What the Father has given to the Son, then, the Son does not lose at all. For he also says: “All that the Father gives me will come to me, and him who comes to me I will not cast out.” But if, through the generality of the calling and the abundance of God’s goodness, those who will not persevere are mixed with those who will persevere, when these fall away from piety they fall not by God’s work but by their own will; they are neither pushed to fall nor cast out to desert; yet they are foreknown, by him who cannot be deceived, as going to fall and depart. As long, then, as they say in the Lord’s Prayer, “Your will be done,” they do not ask against themselves what God will in no way and for no reason do, that is, that they fall and be ruined; for this belongs to their own wickedness, and their own freedom will bring it to completion. But plainly they ask against themselves that which without doubt belongs to the divine will: namely, that when the Son of Man comes in his majesty and sits on the throne of his glory, all nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate them from one another, setting some on the right and others on the left, and those on the right will hear him saying, “Come, blessed of my Father, possess the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world,” and those on the left will hear, “Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire which my Father has prepared for the devil and his angels.” Those, then, who will not do God’s will and yet ask that God’s will be done are heard in what is to be done by God’s will, so that as imitators of the devil they are judged with the devil. For those who despised God’s will inviting them will feel God’s will avenging.
Matt 6:10 (quotation, high confidence) · John 6:39 (quotation, high confidence) · John 6:37 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 25:31–34 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 25:41 (quotation, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: Prosper answers that the Father's will is that Christ lose none given him; those who fall do so by their own will, and in praying "Your will be done" they ask for the judgment that will condemn them.
- Migne’s editorial introduction (Admonitio) to the next work, the Answers to the Genoese, printed after this section in the source, is removed. Migne’s column numbers removed. Quotations: Matt 6:10; John 6:39; John 6:37; Matt 25:31–34, 41.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (Migne's column number; Migne's editorial introduction to the next work, not part of Prosper's text): ADMONITIO IN PROSPERI PRO AUGUSTINO RESPONSIONES AD EXCERPTA GENUENSIUM. Non ex eadem intentione, Augustini doctrinam scilicet elevandi aut infamandi, ex qua anteriora prodierant, nata etiam credimus inferius posita Genuensium presbyterorum Excerpta, ad Prosperum nostrum eo tantum fine directa, ut quas illi ex librorum sancti Angustini de Prædestinatiens sanctorum et de Dono Perseveranæ lectione dubitationes patiebantur, in quibus se insolita nonnulla et minus clara deprehendisse significaba it, sanctus Au gustini discipulus, tamquam doctrinæ illius sublimioris et a communis intelligentiæ finibus remotioris particeps, pro sua erga omnes humanitate, dissolveret: cum hoc solum rogarent, ut quo intellectu vel quo judicio ista acca pisset eis aperire dignaretur. Qua quidem agendi ratione virorum illorum modestia in eo elucet, quod cum essent sacerdotes in urbe non ignobili forte ex primariis, virum ( ut rerisimilus vi detur ) laicum de tantis rebus consu lere non reformident (In præfat. hujus operis). Quo fit ut sanctus Prosper humilitati adeo laudandæ vicem rependens hoc reapondea: id quod a se postulabant debuiss illos sibi p ætare, sedula locorum Augunstini medi tatione, et COli fide,.:; fusa oratione ad Patrem luminum, a quo descendit omne datum optimum et omne duum perfectum, et a quo datur Spritus sapentiæ et intellectus Huic non quasi mugister discipulos instituens, sed ut veritatis dicipulus humilitatisque et obedientiæ sectator, superioris sibi ordinis viris obtempe rare suscipit, ejus auxilio confisus qui sopientiam præstat parvulis; et Eacerpta ab ipsis ex duo bus supradictis sancti Augustini libr.s loca fu iori oratione exponere, atque ad rectos sensus, ex collation, quam urget ubique, cum antecedentibus el subsequentibus locorum unde ducebautur reducere, et a pravo in omnibus intellectu sarta et tecta ostendere aggreditur: humiliter petens, ne ubi erat in ipso simplicitas obedientiæ. ibi præsumptionem putarent esse doctrinæ. Quod quidem egregie conficit tum Scripturæ sacræ auctoritate in medium adducta, tum maxime aliorum suncti Augustini Operum locis, cum his qui scrupulumfecerant comparatis; eodem semp'r, ut alias, tenore doctrinæ prædicans, et gratuitam omnimodis gra iam Dei, et fidem, ipsam ub eadem Dei gratia et misericordia sumere principium: nec tantum boni omnibas promiscue conferi, nec ullum omnino opus bonum, si divinum non affuerit auxlium. posse a quoquam præstari. Civitatem autem ex qua illi libellum huuc suum ad Prosperum direxerant Vir eruditus vult esse non Genuam urbem Italiæ primariam, quæ ab etegantioribus ædificiis Superbæ cognonem accepit; sed Genevam, quæ el Ce benna et Aurelia Aliobrogum nominatur. Cui eo difficilius est ac in re assentiri, quod ubique presbyteri illi non Genevenses sed Genuenses legantur appellati. De tempore dnique quo hæc contigerunt si quæratur, conjicimus scriptum horum hujusque rescriptum paulo post superiora, cer te autem post obitum sancti Augustini, in lucem prodiisse. → ; untas 239 ejus → untas ejus ; . Sed 240 plane → . Sed plane.
Topics: Prayer, Eschatology
Cite (SBL): Prosper of Aquitaine, Resp. Vinc. 16 (PL 51:185c–187d; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/prosper-responsiones-vincentianarum/16). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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