On the Faith against the Manichaeans 1–31

Latin text: CSEL 25 (Latin text: Zycha, CSEL 25, digitized by Open Greek and Latin (csel-dev, University of Leipzig), CC BY-SA 4.0).English: Claude (claude-opus-5-5), public domain (CC0).

Show

Chapter 1

1CSEL 25:951

Unus deus pater et filius et spiritus sanctus, inuisibilis, inconprehensibilis, inenarrabilis, inuiolabilis. incoinquinabilis, qui solus habet inmortalitatem et lucem habitat inaccessibilem. ipse lumen uerum, uita et ueritas, bonus, summus et quaecumque de illo humanus sermo poterit enuntiare: quae tamen ab eo dantur, ut aliquo modo dici possint. ex quo omnia, per quem omnia, siue sedes siue dominationes siue principatus siue potestates; et omnia per ipsum et in ipso creata sunt, sicut in utroque testamento humilibus et pie quaerentibus manifestatur. ipsi gloria in saecula saeculorum amen.

One God, Father and Son and Holy Spirit, invisible, incomprehensible, ineffable, inviolable, incapable of defilement, "who alone has immortality and dwells in unapproachable light." He is the true light, life and truth, good, supreme, and whatever human speech can utter concerning him; and even these words are given by him, so that he may be spoken of in some fashion. "From whom are all things, through whom are all things, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers; and all things were created through him and in him," as is made plain in both Testaments to the humble and to those who seek with reverence. To him be glory for ages of ages. Amen.

1 Tim 6:16 (quotation, high confidence) · John 1:9 (allusion, medium confidence) · John 14:6 (allusion, medium confidence) · Rom 11:36 (allusion, high confidence) · Col 1:16 (quotation, high confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: Evodius opens with a confession of the one God, Father, Son and Holy Spirit, creator of all.

  • The confession draws on 1 Tim 6:16, John 1:9 and 14:6, Rom 11:36 (or 1 Cor 8:6) and Col 1:16.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR: L for h): Lumanus → humanus.

Topics: Trinity

Cite (SBL): Evodius, Fid. 1 (CSEL 25:951; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/evodius-de-fide/1). (abbreviation not yet checked)

BibTeX · RIS · CSL-JSON (whole work; this passage's key: sophiascriptura-evodius-de-fide-1) · Report an error

Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin (PL or CSEL); no public-domain English translation exists, so the translation was re-read against the Latin.

Chapter 2

2CSEL 25:951

Huic Manichaeus aduersarium esse dicit nescio quem gentis principem tenebrarum, quem etiam adserit ingenitum nec habere auctorem, a quo creatus sit. et utique si ingenitus et non creatus est, per se ipsum est inmortalis. et si per se inmortalis est, non erit deus, qui habeat solus inmortalitatem, et erit iam mendax apostolus, qui dicit de deo, quod solus habeat inmortalitatem. sed quia apostolus mendax non est, deus solus habet inmortalitatem. et ideo solus potest et animis et quibus uult corporibus praestare inmortalitatem.

Mani says that this God has an adversary, some prince or other of the race of darkness, whom he also asserts to be unbegotten and to have no author by whom he was created. Now surely, if he is unbegotten and uncreated, he is immortal of himself. And if he is immortal of himself, God will not be the one "who alone has immortality," and then the apostle will be a liar, who says of God that he alone has immortality. But since the apostle is not a liar, God alone has immortality. And therefore he alone can bestow immortality on souls and on whatever bodies he wishes.

1 Tim 6:16 (quotation, high confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: If Mani's prince of darkness were unbegotten he would be immortal, contradicting the apostle's statement that God alone has immortality.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR: Greek omicron and misread letters inside a Latin word; OCR: words run together and misread): iumόrtalitatem → inmortalitatem; potestetanimisetquibus → potest et animis et quibus.

Topics: Heresy, Manichaeism

Cite (SBL): Evodius, Fid. 2 (CSEL 25:951; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/evodius-de-fide/2). (abbreviation not yet checked)

BibTeX · RIS · CSL-JSON (whole work; this passage's key: sophiascriptura-evodius-de-fide-2) · Report an error

Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin (PL or CSEL); no public-domain English translation exists, so the translation was re-read against the Latin.

Chapter 3

3CSEL 25:951–952

Falsum est ergo, quod Manichaeus adserit nescio quam mali naturam cum principe suo non habere auctorem, sed esse ingenitam. deinde si ingenitus deus, ingenita etiam nunc gens tenebrarum, non erit contrarium ingenitum et ingenitum, uidens et uidens, regnans et regnans, uiuens et uiuens, aeternum et aeternum. et si contrarium est bono malum, ex aliqua ergo parte discordabit bonum a malo; ex multa uero coniunctum et concordans erit et non iam erit merum malum habendo tanta communia bona cum deo. si uero dicunt: ingenitum est in suo, nihil dicunt. nam ingenitum et ingenitum, aeternum et aeternum. in quantum ingenita et aeterna sunt, numquam erant contraria. num enim quia imperator in sua potestate magnus est et mediastinus in operatione sua contemptibilis est, ideo mediastinus non erit homo, quia homo est imperator?

False, therefore, is Mani's assertion that some nature of evil, together with its prince, has no author but is unbegotten. Further, if God is unbegotten, and the race of darkness is likewise unbegotten, then unbegotten and unbegotten, seeing and seeing, reigning and reigning, living and living, eternal and eternal will not be contraries. And if evil is the contrary of good, the good will differ from evil in some respect, but in many respects it will be joined and in agreement with it; and evil will no longer be pure evil, since it has so many goods in common with God. If they say, "It is unbegotten in its own kind," they say nothing: for unbegotten and unbegotten, eternal and eternal, insofar as they are unbegotten and eternal, were never contraries. Just because an emperor is great in his power and a menial slave is contemptible in his work, is the slave therefore not a man, because the emperor is a man?

Notes and citation

Summary: Two unbegotten, eternal principles would share so much that evil could not be the pure contrary of good.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR: eat for est; OCR: eet for est; OCR: ninons for uiuens; OCR: saa for sua): uiuens et ninons → uiuens et uiuens; in saa potestate → in sua potestate; contemptibilis eet → contemptibilis est; homo eat imperator → homo est imperator.

Topics: Heresy, Evil and its origin

Cite (SBL): Evodius, Fid. 3 (CSEL 25:951–952; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/evodius-de-fide/3). (abbreviation not yet checked)

BibTeX · RIS · CSL-JSON (whole work; this passage's key: sophiascriptura-evodius-de-fide-3) · Report an error

Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin (PL or CSEL); no public-domain English translation exists, so the translation was re-read against the Latin.

Chapter 4

4CSEL 25:952

Sed si quisquam quaerit, quid sit malum, audiat apostolum dicentem: radix omnium malorum est cupiditas; quam quidam adpetentes a fide aberrauerunt et inseruerunt se doloribus multis.

But if anyone asks what evil is, let him hear the apostle saying: "The root of all evils is desire; by craving it some have wandered from the faith and have entangled themselves in many pains."

1 Tim 6:10 (quotation, high confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: The apostle names desire as the root of all evils.

  • Latin cupiditas, rendered "desire" throughout; in 1 Tim 6:10 it stands for the love of money.

Topics: Ethics, Evil and its origin

Cite (SBL): Evodius, Fid. 4 (CSEL 25:952; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/evodius-de-fide/4). (abbreviation not yet checked)

BibTeX · RIS · CSL-JSON (whole work; this passage's key: sophiascriptura-evodius-de-fide-4) · Report an error

Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin (PL or CSEL); no public-domain English translation exists, so the translation was re-read against the Latin.

Chapter 5

5CSEL 25:952–953

Cupiditas autem in unoquoque homine est non naturalis, sed uoluntaria ideoque dixit "quam quidam adpetentes". quod enim adpetendo habetur, si non adpeteretur, non haberetur. nam et dominus ostendens, quod in hominis potestate sit, ait: aut facite arborem bonam et fructum eius bonum; aut facite arborem malam et fructum eius malum. in actibus etiam conscriptis a Leucio, quos ipsi accipiunt, sic scriptum est: etenim speciosa figmenta et ostentatio simulata et coactio uisibilium ne quidem ex propria natura procedit, sed ex homine, qui per se ipsum deterior effectus est per seductionem. ipse etiam Manichaeus non potuit nisi fateri animas. etiam quas dicit ad dei substantiam pertinere, propria uoluntate peccare. nam sic in secundo Thesauri libro dicit: hi uero, qui neglegentia sua a labe praedictorum spiritum purgari se minime permiserint mandatisque diuinis ex integro parum obtemperauerint legemque sibi a suo liberatore datam seruare plenius noluerint neque, ut decebat, sese gubernauerint et cetera. item in epistula Fundamenti. sic dicit de illis animabus: quae mundi amore errare se a priore lucida sua natura passae sunt atque inimicae lumini sancto extiterunt aperteque in perniciem sanctorum elementorum se armarunt et igneo spiritui obsecutae sunt. infesta etiam sua persecutione sanctam ecclesiam atque electos in eadem constitutos caelestium praeceptorum obseruatores adflixerunt, a beatitudine et gloria terrae sanctae arcentur. et quia a malo se superari passae sunt, in eadem mali stirpe perseuerabunt pacifica illa terra et regionibus inmortalibus sibimet interdictis. quod ideo illis eueniet. quia ita iniquis operibus se obstrinxerunt. ut a uita et libertate sanctae lucis alienarentur. non igitur poterunt recipi in regna illa pacifica, sed configentur in praedicto horribili globo, cui etiam necesse est custodiam adhiberi. unde adhaerebunt his rebus animae eaedem, quas dilexerunt, relictae in eodem tenebrarum globo suis meritis id sibi conquirentes. neque enim futura haec cognoscere studuerunt atque ab isdem, cum tempus dabatur, se segregarunt.

Desire, however, is in each person not natural but voluntary; that is why he said, "by craving it some." For what is had by craving would not be had if it were not craved. The Lord too, showing that it lies in a person's power, says: "Either make the tree good and its fruit good, or make the tree bad and its fruit bad." In the Acts written by Leucius, which they themselves accept, it is written thus: "For the specious fictions and the feigned display and the compulsion of visible things do not proceed from one's own nature, but from the person who through seduction has made himself worse." Even Mani himself could not help admitting that souls, even those he says belong to God's substance, sin by their own will. For in the second book of the Thesaurus he says: "But those who through their own negligence did not allow themselves to be cleansed from the stain of the aforesaid spirits, and did not wholly obey the divine commands, and would not keep fully the law given them by their liberator, nor governed themselves as was fitting," and so on. Likewise in the Fundamental Epistle he says this of those souls: "Those which through love of the world have allowed themselves to stray from their former luminous nature, and have become enemies of the holy light, and have openly armed themselves for the destruction of the holy elements, and have obeyed the fiery spirit, and with their hostile persecution have afflicted the holy church and the elect established in it, the keepers of the heavenly precepts, are shut out from the blessedness and glory of the holy land. And because they allowed themselves to be overcome by evil, they will remain in that same stock of evil, that peaceful land and the immortal regions being forbidden to them. This will befall them because they so bound themselves to wicked works that they were estranged from the life and freedom of the holy light. They will therefore not be able to be received into those peaceful kingdoms, but will be fastened into the dreadful globe mentioned above, over which a guard must also be set. Hence these same souls will cling to the things they loved, left in that same globe of darkness, earning this for themselves by their own deserts. For they did not care to know these things to come, nor to separate themselves from them when time was given."

Matt 12:33 (quotation, high confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: Scripture, the Leucian Acts, and Mani's own Thesaurus and Fundamental Epistle all show that souls sin by their own will.

  • The quotation from the Acts ascribed to Leucius (to whom apocryphal Acts of several apostles were attributed) is unidentified. Mani is quoted from Thesaurus book 2 and from the Fundamental Epistle.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR; OCR: ant for aut; OCR: l for t; OCR: stray letter; OCR: words run together; OCR: words run together; Lencio for Leucio): ant facite arborem bonam → aut facite arborem bonam; inactibus etiamconscriptis aLencio → in actibus etiam conscriptis a Leucio; spiritunmpurgari se minime permiserintmandatisquediuinis → spiritum purgari se minime permiserint mandatisque diuinis; elemenlorum → elementorum; obsocntae → obsecutae; stuauerunt → studuerunt; ab isdem, v cum → ab isdem, cum.

Extrabiblical texts: Mani, Thes. 2 (Mani, Treasure; quotation); Mani, Ep. fund. (Mani, Letter of the Foundation; quotation)

Topics: Heresy, Free will, Manichaeism

Cite (SBL): Evodius, Fid. 5 (CSEL 25:952–953; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/evodius-de-fide/5). (abbreviation not yet checked)

BibTeX · RIS · CSL-JSON (whole work; this passage's key: sophiascriptura-evodius-de-fide-5) · Report an error

Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin (PL or CSEL); no public-domain English translation exists, so the translation was re-read against the Latin.

Chapter 6

6CSEL 25:953

Rogo uos, ubi audiuntur haec uerba, dubitatis adhuc Manichaeum adactum esse confiteri esse peccatum propriae uoluntatis? non enim unum uerbum inde dixit. sed tam multa, ut quamuis graui somno raeraom excitaret. dixit: neglegentia sua; dixit: minime permiserint; dixit: parum obtemperauerint; dixit: seruare noluerint; item dixit: obsecutae sunt; dixit: se superari passae sunt; dixit: se obstrinxerunt; dixit: suis meritis id sibi conquirentes; dixit: neque enim futura haec cognoscere studuerunt atque ab isdem, cum tempus dabatur, se segregauerunt. et uos dubitatis dicere propria uoluntate peccari?

I ask you, when these words are heard, do you still doubt that Mani was forced to confess that there is sin of one's own will? For he did not say one word of it, but so many that they would rouse anyone from the heaviest sleep. He said, "through their own negligence"; he said, "did not allow"; he said, "did not obey"; he said, "would not keep"; again he said, "obeyed"; he said, "allowed themselves to be overcome"; he said, "bound themselves"; he said, "earning this for themselves by their own deserts"; he said, "For they did not care to know these things to come, nor to separate themselves from them when time was given." And do you hesitate to say that sin is committed by one's own will?

Textual problem in this passage: see the notes.

Notes and citation

Summary: Evodius lists Mani's own phrases that admit voluntary sin.

  • The word after "sleep" (raeraom) is corrupt in the digital text; translated by sense ("anyone").

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR): studncrunt → studuerunt.

Extrabiblical texts: Mani, Ep. fund. (Mani, Letter of the Foundation; quotation)

Topics: Heresy, Manichaeism

Cite (SBL): Evodius, Fid. 6 (CSEL 25:953; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/evodius-de-fide/6). (abbreviation not yet checked)

BibTeX · RIS · CSL-JSON (whole work; this passage's key: sophiascriptura-evodius-de-fide-6) · Report an error

Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin (PL or CSEL); no public-domain English translation exists, so the translation was re-read against the Latin.

Chapter 7

7CSEL 25:953–954

Iterum ipse dicit in eadem epistula: lucis autem succisiuam partem, hoc est animas peccatrices, et uos non dicitis peccare nisi gentem tenebrarum? sed quid de isto loquar, qui quamuis erraret, tamen euidentissima ueritate hoc conatus est dicere? cum ipsum dominum nostrum Iesum Christum nolitis intellegere dicentem ignem praeparatum esse peccatoribus et diabolo et angelis eius, quos omnes uoluit intellegi peccatores; non enim iniustitia est apud deum, ut damnet eos, qui nihil peccauerunt.

Again he says in the same epistle: "but the cut-off part of the light," that is, the sinful souls; and do you say that none sins but the race of darkness? But why speak of him, who, though in error, nevertheless tried to say this with the most evident truth, when you will not understand our Lord Jesus Christ himself, who says that fire has been prepared for sinners and for the devil and his angels, all of whom he meant to be understood as sinners? For there is no injustice with God, that he should condemn those who have committed no sin.

Matt 25:41 (allusion, high confidence) · Rom 9:14 (allusion, medium confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: Mani himself speaks of sinful souls, and Christ's warning of fire for the devil and his angels presupposes real sinners.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR: letter lost): cum psum dominum → cum ipsum dominum.

Extrabiblical texts: Mani, Ep. fund. (Mani, Letter of the Foundation; quotation)

Topics: Heresy, Eschatology

Cite (SBL): Evodius, Fid. 7 (CSEL 25:953–954; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/evodius-de-fide/7). (abbreviation not yet checked)

BibTeX · RIS · CSL-JSON (whole work; this passage's key: sophiascriptura-evodius-de-fide-7) · Report an error

Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin (PL or CSEL); no public-domain English translation exists, so the translation was re-read against the Latin.

Chapter 8

8CSEL 25:954

Peccare enim quid aliud est nisi in ueritatis praeceptis uel in ipsa non stare ueritate? quod si non uoluntate faciunt peccatores. iniuste iudicantur. pertinere autem et angelos ad iudicium, apostolus ostendit dicens: nescitis, quoniam angelos iudicabimus? non autem pertinerent ad iudicium, quo iudicantur, si non pertinerent ad peccatum, quo rei fiant, nec possint merito iudicari. non enim homines iusti de iustis angelis iudicaturi sunt, quibus similes erunt, sed utique de peccatoribus. malefacti sui ergo per cupiditatem quisque auctor est.

For what else is sinning but not standing in the precepts of truth, or in truth itself? If sinners do this not by will, they are judged unjustly. That angels too come under judgment the apostle shows, saying: "Do you not know that we shall judge angels?" But they would not come under the judgment by which they are judged unless they came under sin, by which they become guilty and can deservedly be judged. For righteous men will not judge righteous angels, whom they will be like, but surely sinners. Each person, then, is the author of his own evil deed through desire.

John 8:44 (allusion, medium confidence) · 1 Cor 6:3 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 22:30 (echo, low confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: Since angels too are judged, sin must be voluntary, and each person is the author of his own evil through desire.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR: B for s): quod Bi non → quod si non.

Topics: Ethics, Free will

Cite (SBL): Evodius, Fid. 8 (CSEL 25:954; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/evodius-de-fide/8). (abbreviation not yet checked)

BibTeX · RIS · CSL-JSON (whole work; this passage's key: sophiascriptura-evodius-de-fide-8) · Report an error

Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin (PL or CSEL); no public-domain English translation exists, so the translation was re-read against the Latin.

Chapter 9

9CSEL 25:954

Est ergo in potestate. ut sit cupiditas: et ideo etiam malum in potestate est. in potestate ergo est, quod in uoluntate esse non debet; malum enim non potest esse natura nec substantia nec uita, quia haec bona sunt, in quantum sunt. sed et si aliquos naturaliter dicimus malos, propter originem ueteris peccati dicimus, in quo iam nostra mortalitas nascitur. totum itaque quod uocatur malum in hominibus, peccatum est et poena. peccatum fit ab anima rationali, cui liberum uoluntatis arbitrium est; et poena infligitur iustitia dei, quae nihil facit iniuste. aduersus haec solita caecitate Manichaei latrant; et cum conuincuntur naturam non esse malum, sed in potestate esse hominis facere bene aut male, dicunt non esse animae liberam uoluntatem et non uident caecitatem suam.

It is therefore in our power that desire exists, and so evil too is in our power. What ought not to be in the will, then, is in our power; for evil cannot be a nature or a substance or a life, since these are good insofar as they exist. And if we call some people evil by nature, we say it because of the origin of the ancient sin, in which our mortality is now born. Thus everything called evil in human beings is sin and punishment. Sin is committed by the rational soul, which has free choice of the will; and punishment is inflicted by the justice of God, which does nothing unjustly. Against this the Manichees bark with their usual blindness; and when they are shown that nature is not evil, but that it lies in a person's power to do good or evil, they say that the soul has no free will, and do not see their own blindness.

Notes and citation

Summary: Evil is not a nature but sin and its punishment; sin comes from the free will of the rational soul.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR: ant for aut; OCR: n for u; OCR: word split and misread): nec nita → nec uita; natura- Uter → naturaliter; bene ant male → bene aut male.

Topics: Ethics, Heresy, Evil and its origin, Free will

Cite (SBL): Evodius, Fid. 9 (CSEL 25:954; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/evodius-de-fide/9). (abbreviation not yet checked)

BibTeX · RIS · CSL-JSON (whole work; this passage's key: sophiascriptura-evodius-de-fide-9) · Report an error

Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin (PL or CSEL); no public-domain English translation exists, so the translation was re-read against the Latin.

Chapter 10

10CSEL 25:954

Quis enim non clamet stultum esse praecepta dare ei, cui liberum non est, quod praecipitur facere, et iniquum esse eum damnare, cui non fuit potestas iussa conplere? et has iniustitias et iniquitates miseri non intellegunt deo se ascribere. sed quid uerum est nisi et dominum dare praecepta et animas liberae esse uoluntatis et malum naturam non esse, sed esse auersionem a dei praeceptis et esse iustum iudicium dei, quo damnet peccantes?

For who would not cry out that it is foolish to give commands to one who is not free to do what is commanded, and unjust to condemn one who had no power to fulfil what was ordered? And the wretches do not understand that they ascribe these injustices and iniquities to God. But what is true, except that the Lord gives commands, that souls have free will, that evil is not a nature but a turning away from God's commands, and that the judgment of God by which he condemns sinners is just?

Notes and citation

Summary: Commands and judgment presuppose free will; evil is a turning away from God's commands.

Topics: Ethics, Free will

Cite (SBL): Evodius, Fid. 10 (CSEL 25:954; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/evodius-de-fide/10). (abbreviation not yet checked)

BibTeX · RIS · CSL-JSON (whole work; this passage's key: sophiascriptura-evodius-de-fide-10) · Report an error

Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin (PL or CSEL); no public-domain English translation exists, so the translation was re-read against the Latin.

Chapter 11

11CSEL 25:954–955

Interea cum dicat idem Manichaeus deum omnibus bonis abundantem, nullo in regnis eius insignibus indigente aut infimo constituto, ita etiam fundata eiusdem splendidissima saecula, ut a nullo umquam concuti uel moueri possint. in alio loco paulo post subiungit et dicit: lucis uero beatissimae pater sciens labem magnam ac uastitatem, quae ex tenebris surgeret, aduersus sua sancta inpendere saecula, nisi aliquod eximium ac praeclarum et uirtute potens numen obponat, quo superet simul ac destruat stirpem tenebrarum, qua extincta quies lucis incolis pararetur.;

Meanwhile, though this same Mani says that God abounds in all good things, with nothing lacking or set at the lowest in his glorious kingdoms, and that his most splendid ages are so firmly founded that they can never be shaken or moved by anyone, in another place a little later he adds: "But the Father of the most blessed light, knowing that a great ruin and devastation, arising from the darkness, threatened his holy ages, unless he set against it some excellent and illustrious deity, mighty in power, by which he might at once overcome and destroy the stock of darkness, so that when it was extinguished rest might be prepared for the inhabitants of light."

Notes and citation

Summary: Mani contradicts himself: God's kingdoms cannot be shaken, yet ruin from the darkness threatens them.

  • The quoted sentence breaks off without a main verb, as cited. Probably from the Fundamental Epistle (see section 12).

Extrabiblical texts: Mani, Ep. fund. (Mani, Letter of the Foundation; quotation)

Topics: Heresy, Manichaeism

Cite (SBL): Evodius, Fid. 11 (CSEL 25:954–955; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/evodius-de-fide/11). (abbreviation not yet checked)

BibTeX · RIS · CSL-JSON (whole work; this passage's key: sophiascriptura-evodius-de-fide-11) · Report an error

Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin (PL or CSEL); no public-domain English translation exists, so the translation was re-read against the Latin.

Chapter 12

12CSEL 25:955

Certe ergo a nullo umquam concuti uel moueri potuerunt regna dei Manichaei. si enim potuerunt, mentitus est dicendo non posse regna illa ab aliquo concuti. et si concussa sunt necessitate aut timore, non erit deus, qui sic concuti potuit. nam uidemus deum Manichaei secundum eundem Manichaeum malo necessitatis pressam, cum labes ac uastitas aduersus saecula eius inpenderet aliudque quod faceret non haberet, partem suam ad pugnam dedisse, ut uel hoc modo quietem lucis incolis conpararet. ipsa uero pars eius, hoc est de lumine lumen, de bono bonum, de sancto sanctum, de aeterno aeternum, de deo deus, de omnipotente omnipotens, corrupta sit, mortificata sit, conmixta sit per omnia mundi corpora a summo usque ad imum, a caelo usque ad stercora, ut et meretrices in theatris et in locis turpioribus turpiores habeant in se obpressum deum, qui liberari forte non possit. dicit enim in fine ipsius epistulae, unde unum capitulum iam posuimus, ipsam dei partem, quae conmixta est, non totam. posse reuocari ad pristinam libertatem.

Surely, then, the kingdoms of Mani's god could never be shaken or moved by anyone. For if they could, he lied in saying that those kingdoms could not be shaken by anyone. And if they were shaken by necessity or fear, he will not be God who could be so shaken. For we see that Mani's god, according to the same Mani, pressed by the evil of necessity, when ruin and devastation threatened his ages and he had nothing else to do, gave a part of himself to the battle, so that by this means at least he might procure rest for the inhabitants of light. But that part of him, that is, light from light, good from good, holy from holy, eternal from eternal, god from god, almighty from almighty, has been corrupted, put to death, mixed through all the bodies of the world from the highest to the lowest, from heaven down to dung, so that even the harlots in the theatres, and the baser sort in baser places, have in themselves an oppressed god, who perhaps cannot be set free. For at the end of that same epistle, from which we have already quoted one passage, he says that this part of God which has been mixed cannot be recalled in its entirety to its former freedom.

Notes and citation

Summary: Mani's god, compelled by necessity, sent a part of himself into battle, where it was corrupted and mixed into all bodies.

  • "Light from light ... god from god" turns the language of the creed against the Manichaean teaching.

Extrabiblical texts: Mani, Ep. fund. (Mani, Letter of the Foundation; allusion)

Topics: Heresy, Manichaeism

Cite (SBL): Evodius, Fid. 12 (CSEL 25:955; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/evodius-de-fide/12). (abbreviation not yet checked)

BibTeX · RIS · CSL-JSON (whole work; this passage's key: sophiascriptura-evodius-de-fide-12) · Report an error

Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin (PL or CSEL); no public-domain English translation exists, so the translation was re-read against the Latin.

Chapter 13

13CSEL 25:955–956

Ecce uictoria, ecce triumphus, qualem fecit Manichaei deus. nam post amissam partem suam in luctu est, sicut Manichaeus idem dicit, uelum contra se habet, quod dolorem eius temperet, ne corruptionem partis suae uideat. hodie enim diuina quam commemorat substantia subiacet genti tenebrarum ut lutum figulo. hoc in eorum primo libro. Thesauri scriptum est.

Behold the victory, behold the triumph that Mani's god achieved! For after losing his part he is in mourning, as the same Mani says; he has a veil drawn before him to temper his grief, so that he may not see the corruption of his part. For today the divine substance he speaks of lies subject to the race of darkness like clay to the potter. This is written in the first book of their Thesaurus.

Rom 9:21 (echo, low confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: According to Mani's Thesaurus, his god mourns behind a veil over the corruption of his lost part.

Extrabiblical texts: Mani, Thes. 1 (Mani, Treasure; allusion)

Topics: Heresy, Manichaeism

Cite (SBL): Evodius, Fid. 13 (CSEL 25:955–956; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/evodius-de-fide/13). (abbreviation not yet checked)

BibTeX · RIS · CSL-JSON (whole work; this passage's key: sophiascriptura-evodius-de-fide-13) · Report an error

Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin (PL or CSEL); no public-domain English translation exists, so the translation was re-read against the Latin.

Chapter 14

14CSEL 25:956

Qualis interea turpitudo, quam in eodem Thesauro gno inter cetera turpia in septimo libro scripsit sic dicens: tunc beatus ille pater, qui lucidas naues habet diuersoria et habitacula secundum magnitudines, pro insita sibi clementia fert opem, qua exuitur et liberatur ab inpiis retinaculis et angustiis atque angoribus suae uitalis. substantiae. itaque inuisibili suo nutu illas suas uirtutes, quae in clarissima hac naui habentur, transfigurat easque parere facit aduersis potestatibus, quae in singulis caelorum tractibus ordinatae sunt. quae quoniam ex utroque sexu masculorum ac feminarum consistunt, ideo praedictas uirtutes partim specie puerorum inuestium parere iubet generi aduerso feminarum, partim uirginum lucidarum forma generi contrario masculorum, sciens eas omnes hostiles potestates propter ingenitam sibi letalem et spurcissimam concupiscentiam facillime capi atque isdem speciebus pulcherrimis, quae parent et mancipari hocque modo dissolui. sciatis autem hunc eundem nostrum beatum patrem hoc idem esse, quod etiam suae uirtutes, quas ob necessariam causam transformat in puerorum et uirginum intemeratam similitudinem. utitur autem his tamquam propriis armis atque per eas suam conplet uoluntatem.

And what shamefulness he wrote in that same Thesaurus, among other shameful things, in the seventh book, saying: "Then that blessed Father, who has the luminous ships as lodgings and dwellings according to their magnitudes, out of his innate clemency brings help, by which his vital substance is stripped and freed from the impious bonds and straits and anguish. And so by his invisible nod he transforms those powers of his which are kept in this most brilliant ship, and makes them appear to the opposing powers that are ranged in each region of the heavens. Since these consist of both sexes, male and female, he orders the aforesaid powers to appear partly in the form of naked boys to the opposite sex, the females, and partly in the form of luminous virgins to the contrary sex, the males, knowing that all those hostile powers, because of the deadly and most filthy lust innate in them, are very easily captured and enslaved by these most beautiful forms which appear, and in this way dissolved. Know that this same blessed Father of ours is the same thing as his powers, which for a necessary cause he transforms into the undefiled likeness of boys and virgins. He uses them as his own weapons and through them fulfils his will."

Notes and citation

Summary: Evodius quotes Thesaurus book 7 on the Father's powers appearing as boys and virgins to arouse and so dissolve the hostile powers.

  • "Naked" renders inuestium (literally "unclothed", possibly "beardless"). The grammar of "his vital substance" is loose in the digital text (substantiae); translated by sense. The same passage of the Thesaurus is also quoted by Augustine, The Nature of the Good.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR: ab for ob; OCR: « for c; stray mark): diuersoria* → diuersoria; «ontrario → contrario; quas ab necessariam → quas ob necessariam.

Extrabiblical texts: Mani, Thes. 7 (Mani, Treasure; quotation)

Topics: Heresy, Manichaeism

Cite (SBL): Evodius, Fid. 14 (CSEL 25:956; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/evodius-de-fide/14). (abbreviation not yet checked)

BibTeX · RIS · CSL-JSON (whole work; this passage's key: sophiascriptura-evodius-de-fide-14) · Report an error

Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin (PL or CSEL); no public-domain English translation exists, so the translation was re-read against the Latin.

Chapter 15

15CSEL 25:956–957

Harum uero uirtutum diuinarum. quae ad instar coniugii contra inferna genera statuuntur quaeque alacritate ac facilitate id quod cogitauerint momento eodem efficiunt, plenae sunt lucidae naues. itaque cum ratio poposcerit, ut masculis adpareant eaedem sanctae uirtutes, illico etiam suam effigiem uirginum pulcherrimarum habitu demonstrant. rursum cum ad feminas uentum fuerit, postponentes speciem uirginum puerorum inuestium speciem ostendunt. hoc autem uisu decoro illarum ardor et concupiscentia crescit atque hoc modo uinculum pessimarum cogitationum earum soluitur uiuaque anima, quae eorundem membris tenebatur, hac occasione laxata euadit et suo purissimo aeri miscetur: ubi penitus ablutae animae ascendunt ad lucidas naues, quae sibi ad euectionem atque ad suae patriae transfretationem sunt praeparatae.

"Of these divine powers, which are set against the infernal races as if in marriage, and which with eagerness and ease accomplish in the same moment whatever they have thought, the luminous ships are full. And so, when reason requires that these same holy powers appear to males, they immediately display their likeness in the guise of most beautiful virgins; again, when they come to females, they set aside the form of virgins and show the form of naked boys. By this comely sight the ardour and lust of those powers increases, and in this way the bond of their worst thoughts is loosed, and the living soul which was held in their members, released by this occasion, escapes and mingles with its own most pure air; and there the souls, thoroughly washed, ascend to the luminous ships, which are prepared for their conveyance and for their passage across to their homeland."

Notes and citation

Summary: The quotation continues: the arousal of the hostile powers releases the living soul to rise to the luminous ships.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR; OCR: n for u; stray hyphen): quae-ad instar → quae ad instar; nentum → uentum; uinaquft → uiuaque.

Extrabiblical texts: Mani, Thes. 7 (Mani, Treasure; quotation)

Topics: Heresy, Manichaeism

Cite (SBL): Evodius, Fid. 15 (CSEL 25:956–957; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/evodius-de-fide/15). (abbreviation not yet checked)

BibTeX · RIS · CSL-JSON (whole work; this passage's key: sophiascriptura-evodius-de-fide-15) · Report an error

Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin (PL or CSEL); no public-domain English translation exists, so the translation was re-read against the Latin.

Chapter 16

16CSEL 25:957

Id uero, quod adhuc aduersi generis maculas portat, per aestus atque calores particulatim descendit atque arboribus ceterisque plantationibus ac satis omnibus miscetur et coloribus diuersis inficitur. et quo pacto ex ista magna et clarissima naui figurae puerorum et uirginum parent contrariis potestatibus, quae in caelis degunt quaeque igneam habent naturam atque ex isto aspectu decoro uitae pars, quae in earundem membris habetur, laxata deducitur per calores in terram: eodem modo etiam altissima illa uirtus, quae in naui uitalium aquarum habitat, in similitudine puerorum ac uirginum sanctarum per suos angelos adparet his potestatibus, quarum natura frigida est atque humida quaeque in caelis ordinatae sunt. et quidem his, quae feminae sunt, in ipsis forma puerorum adparet, masculis uero uirginum. hac uero mutatione et diuersitate personarum diuinarum ac pulcherrimarum humidae frigidaeque stirpis principes masculi seu feminae soluuntur atque id, quod in ipsis est uitale, fugit: quod uero resederit, laxatum deducitur in terram per frigora et cunctis terrae generibus admiscetur.

"But that which still bears the stains of the adverse race descends bit by bit through heats and warmth, and is mixed with trees and the other plants and all crops, and is dyed with various colours. And just as, out of that great and most brilliant ship, figures of boys and virgins appear to the contrary powers that dwell in the heavens and have a fiery nature, and by that comely sight the part of life held in their members is released and led down through the heats into the earth: in the same way also that highest power which dwells in the ship of the living waters appears through its angels in the likeness of boys and holy virgins to those powers whose nature is cold and moist and who are ranged in the heavens. And indeed to those of them that are female the form of boys appears, but to the males that of virgins. By this change and diversity of divine and most beautiful persons the princes, male or female, of the moist and cold stock are dissolved, and what is vital in them flees; but what remains is released and led down into the earth through the cold and mingled with all the kinds of earth."

Notes and citation

Summary: The quotation ends: what is still stained descends into plants, and the power in the ship of living waters works the same way on the cold powers.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR: ot for et): omnibus miscetur ot coloribus → omnibus miscetur et coloribus.

Extrabiblical texts: Mani, Thes. 7 (Mani, Treasure; quotation)

Topics: Heresy, Manichaeism

Cite (SBL): Evodius, Fid. 16 (CSEL 25:957; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/evodius-de-fide/16). (abbreviation not yet checked)

BibTeX · RIS · CSL-JSON (whole work; this passage's key: sophiascriptura-evodius-de-fide-16) · Report an error

Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin (PL or CSEL); no public-domain English translation exists, so the translation was re-read against the Latin.

Chapter 17

17CSEL 25:957–958

Quis non rideat uel potius doleat et detestetur istum hominem tam horrenda et execrabilia de diuina substantia dicentem? ergo substantiae lucis aeternae, parti dei in captiuitate, in calamitatibus, in aerumnis, in pressuris, in sordibus atque inmunditia secundum uestrum errorem, uestram constitutionem non poterat aliter cotidie subueniri, nisi beatus pater, qui naues lucidas habet diuersoria, quem tertium legatum appellatis, et uirtus altissima uirtutes suas in diuersi sexus naturam conmutet; quas quidem intemeratas dicitis, sed tamen ut meretricum more pulchritudine sua principum tenebrarum letalem et spurcissimam concupiscentiam confusae inuicem accendant. non enim inuenistis uerum, quo tantam turpitudinem aliquando honestius diceretis. et qua causa hoc faciunt? ut eis in libidinem concitatis occasionem liberationis reperiat substantia diuina. quid aliud sonat, nisi ut etiam per genitalia daemonum uias euadendi inueniat diuina maiestas? deus magne, subueni animis ista turpia credentibus, ista nefanda sectantibus! quis haec non exhorreat? rogo uos. quis tam caecus est, ut ista credat? rogo uos.

Who would not laugh, or rather grieve and abhor, at this man who says such horrible and execrable things about the divine substance? So then, according to your error and your system, the substance of eternal light, the part of God, in captivity, in calamities, in hardships, in afflictions, in filth and uncleanness, could not be relieved daily in any other way than that the blessed Father who has the luminous ships as lodgings, whom you call the Third Envoy, and the highest power should change their powers into the nature of a different sex. These you call undefiled, and yet, after the manner of harlots, they are to kindle by their beauty the deadly and most filthy lust of the princes of darkness, who are thrown into confusion with one another. For you have found no true account by which you might ever speak more decently of such great shamefulness. And for what reason do they do this? So that, when these are stirred to lust, the divine substance may find an occasion of liberation. What else does this mean but that the divine majesty finds ways of escape even through the genitals of demons? Great God, help the minds that believe these shameful things and follow these abominations! Who would not shudder at this? I ask you, who is so blind as to believe it? I ask you.

Notes and citation

Summary: Evodius denounces the teaching that God's substance is freed by arousing the lust of demons.

  • The "Third Envoy" (tertius legatus) is a figure of Manichaean mythology.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR: n for u): dinersoria → diuersoria.

Topics: Heresy, Manichaeism

Cite (SBL): Evodius, Fid. 17 (CSEL 25:957–958; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/evodius-de-fide/17). (abbreviation not yet checked)

BibTeX · RIS · CSL-JSON (whole work; this passage's key: sophiascriptura-evodius-de-fide-17) · Report an error

Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin (PL or CSEL); no public-domain English translation exists, so the translation was re-read against the Latin.

Chapter 18

18CSEL 25:958

Sed certe respondeatur mihi ab iis, qui ipsum Manichaeum sequuntur: si deus incorruptibilis est uel omnis natura summi boni inuiolabilis, inmaculabilis, inadibilis, incoinquinabilis, inconprehensibilis: quid poterat facere mali natura huic tantae naturae, si nollet cum illa pugnare, ne ad tantum dedecus deduceretur? hoc dixi: quid factura erat deo gens tenebrarum, si nollet cum illa pugnare? si mihi dicitur "nihil," quaero, cur hodie eius pars, hoc est dei deus in calamitatibus, in pressuris, in captiuitate, in subiectione sit constituta, ut tam turpiter etiam liberetur et nec sic liberari tota possit uel ipse pater, ut luctum habeat memoratae partis suae causa, quem ludum Manichaeus in suis libris apertissime praedicat.

But let those who follow Mani answer me this: if God is incorruptible, and the whole nature of the highest good is inviolable, unstainable, unapproachable, incapable of defilement, incomprehensible, what could the nature of evil have done to so great a nature if it had been unwilling to fight with it, so as not to be brought to such disgrace? This is what I said: what was the race of darkness going to do to God if he had been unwilling to fight with it? If I am told "Nothing," I ask why today his part, that is, the god of God, is placed in calamities, in afflictions, in captivity, in subjection, so that it is even set free so shamefully, and cannot be wholly set free even in this way, and the Father himself is in mourning because of that part of his, a mourning that Mani proclaims most openly in his books.

Notes and citation

Summary: If the race of darkness could do nothing to God, why did he fight, and why is his part now captive and mourned?

  • "Mourning": the digital text reads ludum ("game"), probably a slip for luctum ("mourning"), which the context requires; translated by sense.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR: n for h): si mini dicitur → si mihi dicitur.

Topics: Heresy, Manichaeism

Cite (SBL): Evodius, Fid. 18 (CSEL 25:958; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/evodius-de-fide/18). (abbreviation not yet checked)

BibTeX · RIS · CSL-JSON (whole work; this passage's key: sophiascriptura-evodius-de-fide-18) · Report an error

Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin (PL or CSEL); no public-domain English translation exists, so the translation was re-read against the Latin.

Chapter 19

19CSEL 25:958–959

Ait quidam: nihil ei fieri poterat, sed ut ostenderet praescientiam se habere cogitationum principum tenebrarum, et ut monstraret nihil se timere, propterea pugnauit. cui ego dixi: qui potuit cogitationes principum tenebrarum uidere ac neminem timere, quare non uidit luctum sibi inminentem de partis suae infelicitate, quam hodie patitur? quam partem suam numquam recipiet integram, quia remanet inde aliquid, sicut ipse dicit, quod purgari non poterit, et in globo tenebrarum in aeternum damnabitur. magna praescientia uel potius inscientia et misera infirmitas, hoc est totum, quod neminem timebat. certe si se tueri aliquo modo non poterat, rogaret. ut sibi parceretur, ne ad tantum dedecus integritas illa et decus omnium ornamentorum perduceretur.

Someone says: "Nothing could happen to him; but he fought in order to show that he had foreknowledge of the thoughts of the princes of darkness, and to show that he feared nothing." I said to him: If he could see the thoughts of the princes of darkness and feared no one, why did he not see the mourning that awaited him from the misfortune of his part, which he suffers today? He will never receive that part of his back whole, because something of it remains, as he himself says, that cannot be cleansed and will be condemned for ever in the globe of darkness. A great foreknowledge, or rather ignorance and wretched weakness, is this whole matter of fearing no one! Surely, if he could not protect himself in any way, he should have pleaded to be spared, so that that integrity, the glory of all adornments, might not be brought to such disgrace.

Notes and citation

Summary: Evodius rebuts the claim that God fought only to show foreknowledge and fearlessness.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR; OCR and line-break split; OCR: n for u): pugnanit → pugnauit; nODI quam → numquam; sient ipse → sicut ipse; perdnce* retur → perduceretur.

Topics: Heresy

Cite (SBL): Evodius, Fid. 19 (CSEL 25:958–959; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/evodius-de-fide/19). (abbreviation not yet checked)

BibTeX · RIS · CSL-JSON (whole work; this passage's key: sophiascriptura-evodius-de-fide-19) · Report an error

Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin (PL or CSEL); no public-domain English translation exists, so the translation was re-read against the Latin.

Chapter 20

20CSEL 25:959

Item dictum est a quodam; nihil ei poterat facere gens tenebrarum, sed ipse noluit pati rem malam circa fines suos et misit, qui eam debellaret cui ego dixi: si ita est, ut dicis. ipse potius inuenitur malus, qui rem uicinam nihil ei nocentem delere uoluit. et sicut malus in illam, sic crudelis in suam aut ignarus futurae calamitatis eius. cum enim putat rem bonam se posse perficere, ut in regno mali, quod ei non nocebat, regionem suam extenderet, prius non praeuidit infelicitatem, quae memoratam partem eius cotidie premit; deinde quod eam totam numquam in pristinam libertatem recipere poterit.

Again, someone said: "The race of darkness could do nothing to him; but he would not tolerate an evil thing near his borders, and he sent someone to subdue it." I said to him: If it is as you say, he himself is rather found to be evil, since he wished to destroy a neighbouring thing that did him no harm. And as he was evil toward that thing, so he was cruel toward his own part, or ignorant of its future calamity. For while he thought he could accomplish a good thing by extending his own region into the kingdom of evil, which was doing him no harm, he did not first foresee the misfortune that daily oppresses his part; and further, he will never be able to receive it all back into its former freedom.

Notes and citation

Summary: If God attacked a harmless neighbour, he would himself be evil, cruel to his own part, or ignorant.

Topics: Heresy

Cite (SBL): Evodius, Fid. 20 (CSEL 25:959; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/evodius-de-fide/20). (abbreviation not yet checked)

BibTeX · RIS · CSL-JSON (whole work; this passage's key: sophiascriptura-evodius-de-fide-20) · Report an error

Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin (PL or CSEL); no public-domain English translation exists, so the translation was re-read against the Latin.

Chapter 21

21CSEL 25:959–960

Sed cum huic obiectioni responderi minime possit, solitam inperitiam obponunt: quid facturi erant Iudaei Christo, si nollet ab eis pati? o utinam uidere possint, quod facile uiderent, nisi per nebulas contentionis excaecarentur, quid sit inminentis mali premi necessitate, quam deum suum passum adseuerant; et quid sit misericordiae benignissimum officium, quod sapientia et uirtus dei dominus Iesus Christus uoluntate et ineffabili potestate per hominem, quem suscepit ex uirgine, generi humano exhibere dignatus est, ut hominibus per hominem patientiae demonstraret exemplum. oportebat enim, et hoc iustum erat. ut homines per patientiam humilitatis uincerent difficultatem infirmitatis carnis suae, quia in eam per elationem superbiae ceciderant, sicut in Adam primo homine nostra scriptura indicat. numquid et uos potestis dicere: quia erant aliqui homines, quos deus uolebat docere patientiam, propterea uoluit a gente tenebrarum tanta mala pati, quemadmodum dominus a Iudaeis? aut numquid potestis dicere, quia suscepit aliquam naturam passibilem deus, in qua pateretur a gente tenebrarum quicquid ei facere potuit. ut tamen ipse in sua substantia nulla ex parte mutaretur, sicut uerbum dei, qui est filius dei, etiam ipse sicut pater incommutabilis suscepit hominem mortalem. ut integra et inuiolata deitate in carne mortali doceret mortales per patientiam mortem uincere et ipsius infirmae carnis futuram in melius conmutationem resurrectione monstraret?

But since no answer at all can be given to this objection, they put forward their usual ignorant reply: "What were the Jews going to do to Christ if he had been unwilling to suffer at their hands?" O that they could see what they would easily see if they were not blinded by the fogs of contention: what it is to be pressed by the necessity of an impending evil, which they assert their god suffered; and what the most kindly office of mercy is, which our Lord Jesus Christ, the wisdom and power of God, by his will and ineffable power, deigned to show the human race through the man whom he took from the virgin, so as to give human beings, through a man, an example of patience. For it was fitting, and this was just, that human beings should overcome the difficulty of their weakness of flesh through the patience of humility, because they had fallen into it through the elation of pride, as our Scripture shows in Adam, the first man. Can you too say: "Because there were some people whom God wished to teach patience, he therefore wished to suffer such great evils from the race of darkness, just as the Lord did from the Jews"? Or can you say that God took on some passible nature in which he might suffer from the race of darkness whatever it could do to him, while he himself was in no way changed in his own substance, just as the Word of God, who is the Son of God, himself unchangeable like the Father, took on mortal man, so that with his deity whole and inviolate he might teach mortals in mortal flesh to conquer death through patience, and might show by the resurrection the future change of that weak flesh for the better?

1 Cor 1:24 (allusion, high confidence) · Rom 5:12 (allusion, medium confidence) · Gen 3:6 (echo, low confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: Christ suffered freely, out of mercy, to give an example of patience, unlike Mani's god, who suffered by necessity.

  • The objection about "the Jews" is the Manichees' own; Evodius answers it on its terms.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR; OCR and stray marks): ouem-. admodum → quemadmodum; tit integra → ut integra; conmiitationem → conmutationem.

Topics: Christology, Heresy, Passion and death of Christ, Patience

Cite (SBL): Evodius, Fid. 21 (CSEL 25:959–960; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/evodius-de-fide/21). (abbreviation not yet checked)

BibTeX · RIS · CSL-JSON (whole work; this passage's key: sophiascriptura-evodius-de-fide-21) · Report an error

Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin (PL or CSEL); no public-domain English translation exists, so the translation was re-read against the Latin.

Chapter 22

22CSEL 25:960

Cum ergo esset per se ipsum inuisibilis, uisibilis in homine adparuit. quem de femina suscipere dignatus est, at in euangelio legimus. dicit et apostolus: factum de muliere. et isti dicunt: quare non ait ex uirgine? non intellegentes, quod consuete dictum sit secundum proprietatem linguae usum scripturarum, sicut de Eua dictum est: formauit eam in mulierem, antequam uel ostenderetur uiro. quamuis Maria non incongrue propter partum dicitur mulier, uirgo uero, quod uirilem nescierit conuentionem neque pariendo uirginitas eius corrupta sit. quod autem angelus et Elisabeth dixerunt Mariae: benedicta tu inter mulieres, nulla quaestio est, quia reuera benedicta est uirgo inter mulieres. sed ne dicatis "sicut angeli adparuerunt sic habet corpus, ne de femina nasceretur." quid? si uobis dicatur: ubi legistis Christum in carne uenisse? nonne dicturi estis: in euangelio? respondetur ergo uobis ibi esse scriptum Christum natum de uirgine. sed solita foeditate dicetis scripturam ipsam falsam esse. nec uidetis aliquem similem uobis caecum hoc posse facere, ut ea, quae uos dixeritis uera, ille falsa esse dicat, et quae dicitis falsa, ille uera. esse dicat ac sic aperiatis ianuas omni hominum errori uel sceleri, ut unusquisque, prout uoluerit uel delectatus fuerit, ipsas diuinas scripturas accipiat. respuat uero, quae non intellegens et offensus putauerit mala et non inueniatur haec regula, errores uestri unde tales corrigantur.

Though he was invisible in himself, he appeared visible in the man whom he deigned to take from a woman, as we read in the Gospel. The apostle too says: "made of a woman." And these people say: "Why did he not say 'of a virgin'?" They do not understand that this was said in the customary way, according to the proper usage of the language of the Scriptures, as was said of Eve: "He formed her into a woman," before she was even shown to the man. Mary, however, is not unfittingly called a woman because of her giving birth, and a virgin because she knew no union with a man and her virginity was not corrupted by giving birth. As for the angel and Elizabeth saying to Mary, "Blessed are you among women," there is no difficulty, since the virgin truly is blessed among women. But do not say, "He had a body as the angels appeared, so as not to be born of a woman." What if you were asked: "Where have you read that Christ came in the flesh?" Will you not say, "In the Gospel"? The answer to you, then, is that it is written there that Christ was born of a virgin. But with your usual foulness you will say that the Scripture itself is false. And you do not see that someone blind like yourselves can do the same, calling false what you have called true, and true what you call false; and so you open the doors to every human error or crime, so that each person accepts the divine Scriptures themselves just as he pleases or as delights him, and rejects whatever he, not understanding and offended, has thought evil; and then no rule is to be found by which such errors of yours could be corrected.

Gal 4:4 (quotation, high confidence) · Gen 2:22 (quotation, high confidence) · Luke 1:42 (quotation, high confidence) · Luke 1:28 (allusion, medium confidence) · 1 John 4:2 (echo, low confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: Christ was truly born of the virgin Mary, as the Gospel says; rejecting parts of Scripture at will leaves no rule for correcting error.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR; OCR: J for l; OCR: i for question mark; OCR: l for t; OCR: stray hyphen and joined words; stray mark): Com ergo f sset → Cum ergo esset; dioont → dicunt; proprietalem → proprietatem; ang-elus etElisabeth → angelus et Elisabeth; sed no dicatis → sed ne dicatis; in euangelio i respondetur → in euangelio? respondetur; uobis.caecum → uobis caecum; (liciit → dicat; faJsa, ille → falsa, ille; u.t unusquisque → ut unusquisque.

Topics: Christology, Scripture and canon, Heresy, Mary, mother of Jesus, Incarnation

Cite (SBL): Evodius, Fid. 22 (CSEL 25:960; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/evodius-de-fide/22). (abbreviation not yet checked)

BibTeX · RIS · CSL-JSON (whole work; this passage's key: sophiascriptura-evodius-de-fide-22) · Report an error

Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin (PL or CSEL); no public-domain English translation exists, so the translation was re-read against the Latin.

Chapter 23

23CSEL 25:960–961

Accipite integre canonicas scripturas, si integri esse desideratis. si enim intellegeretis uel crederetis certe, quod apostolus dixit, per feminam nostrum genus fuisse deceptum — ait enim: timeo, ne sicut serpens Euam seduxit astutia sua. sic et uestrae mentes corrumpantur - possitis intellegere per feminam nostrum genus oportuisse liberari, ut quoniam per feminam mors facta est, per feminam uita recuperaretur atque ita demonstraretur non ipsam creaturam femineam esse culpandam, cuius est deus conditor, sed uoluntatem, qua Eua peccauit. sed timent maiestatis illam incoinquinabilem et ineffabilem potentiam in uirgineo utero credere fuisse, ne sanguine eius pollueretur, cum et in apostolis et in multis dignis feminis et habitauerit et nunc habitet, qui utique corpora habent et sanguinem habent. si enim in Maria coinquinari potuit et in omnibus potuit; si autem non potuit in illis. utique. nec in Maria potuit. in cuius uisceribus susceptionem corporis operata est dei sapientia.

Accept the canonical Scriptures whole, if you wish to be whole. For if you understood, or at least believed, what the apostle said, that our race was deceived through a woman (for he says: "I fear lest, as the serpent seduced Eve by his cunning, so your minds too may be corrupted"), you could understand that our race had to be set free through a woman, so that, since death came through a woman, life might be recovered through a woman, and so it might be shown that it is not the female creature itself that is to be blamed, whose maker is God, but the will by which Eve sinned. But they fear to believe that that undefilable and ineffable power of majesty was in a virginal womb, lest it be polluted by her blood, although it has dwelt and now dwells in the apostles and in many worthy women, who certainly have bodies and have blood. For if it could be defiled in Mary, it could be in all of them; but if it could not be in them, then surely it could not in Mary either, in whose womb the wisdom of God brought about the taking of a body.

2 Cor 11:3 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Cor 1:24 (echo, low confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: As death came through a woman, life came through a woman; God's power is no more defiled in Mary's womb than in the saints in whom it dwells.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR; OCR: c for e; OCR: h for b; words run together): ucl crederetis → uel crederetis; rnaiegtatis → maiestatis; incoinquinahilem → incoinquinabilem; susceptionemcorporis → susceptionem corporis.

Topics: Christology, Scripture and canon, Heresy, Mary, mother of Jesus

Cite (SBL): Evodius, Fid. 23 (CSEL 25:960–961; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/evodius-de-fide/23). (abbreviation not yet checked)

BibTeX · RIS · CSL-JSON (whole work; this passage's key: sophiascriptura-evodius-de-fide-23) · Report an error

Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin (PL or CSEL); no public-domain English translation exists, so the translation was re-read against the Latin.

Chapter 24

24CSEL 25:961–962

Certe ipsum Manichaeum de patre atque de matre natum fuisse non negabunt, cuius animam secundum suum errorem deum esse omnipotentem similiter non negabunt. qui se mira superbia adsumptum a gemino suo, hoc est spiritu sancto, esse gloriatur. et utique si geminus est spiritus sancti, et ipse spiritus sanctus est et ipse deus omnipotens ut spiritus sanctus. qui tamen Manichaeus carnem habuit. in qua si coinquinatus est spiritus sanctus aut eius anima gemina spiritus sancti, coinquinabilem deum colunt. si uero nusquam deus coinquinatur, cum etiam lux corporum caelestium usque ad terras perueniat et non coinquinetur. cum manifestum sit solem istum. cui genu flectunt, in omnibus stercoribus et putoribus radios suos expandere et eos nusquam coinquinari: desinant blasphemare et rogent deum, ut ab errore liberentur. incoinquinabilis enim substantia non ideo non coinquinatur, quia nihil adtingit. sed quia permanet in sua munditia. qualecumque. sit quicquid adtigerit sicut corpus inuulnerabile aut inpenetrabile numquid illud dicimus. quod non percutitur ferro. sed potius, quod etiam cum percutitur non penetratur? et ideo magis probatur filius dei non posse de sanguine feminae coinquinari, quia per feminam natus est quamquam si non per feminam nasceretur et membra illa deuitasset, uideretur indicasse posse se inde pollui et minus a nobis fidenter incoinquinabilis diceretur. consecrauit autem uirginitatem, quia de uirgine nasci uoluit et sola illi mater in terris eligenda erat ad suscipiendum hominem, qui iam patrem habebat in caelis.

Certainly they will not deny that Mani himself was born of a father and a mother, nor will they deny that his soul, according to their error, is almighty God. With astonishing pride he boasts that he was taken up by his twin, that is, the Holy Spirit. And surely, if he is the twin of the Holy Spirit, he too is the Holy Spirit, and he too is almighty God like the Holy Spirit. Yet this Mani had flesh. If the Holy Spirit, or his soul, the twin of the Holy Spirit, was defiled in it, they worship a god who can be defiled. But if God is nowhere defiled (since even the light of the heavenly bodies reaches the earth and is not defiled, since it is plain that this sun, to which they bend the knee, spreads its rays over all dung and stench and is nowhere defiled by them), let them stop blaspheming and pray God to free them from error. For an undefilable substance is not undefiled because it touches nothing, but because it remains in its own purity, whatever it may touch; just as with a body that cannot be wounded or pierced: do we say this of what is not struck by iron, and not rather of what is not pierced even when it is struck? And so it is all the more proved that the Son of God could not be defiled by a woman's blood, because he was born through a woman. Indeed, if he had not been born through a woman and had avoided those members, he would seem to have shown that he could be polluted by them, and we would call him undefilable with less confidence. Moreover, he consecrated virginity, because he willed to be born of a virgin, and only a mother on earth had to be chosen for him to take on manhood, since he already had a Father in heaven.

Notes and citation

Summary: Mani himself had flesh; God's purity is not defiled by contact, so Christ's birth from a virgin shows rather than threatens his purity.

  • Mani's "twin" (syzygos) is his heavenly companion, identified here with the Holy Spirit (Paraclete).

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR; OCR: 8 for a; OCR: b for h): Manicbaeum → Manichaeum; faisfte → fuisse; minus 8 nobis → minus a nobis.

Topics: Christology, Heresy, Manichaeism, Mary, mother of Jesus

Cite (SBL): Evodius, Fid. 24 (CSEL 25:961–962; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/evodius-de-fide/24). (abbreviation not yet checked)

BibTeX · RIS · CSL-JSON (whole work; this passage's key: sophiascriptura-evodius-de-fide-24) · Report an error

Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin (PL or CSEL); no public-domain English translation exists, so the translation was re-read against the Latin.

Chapter 25

25CSEL 25:962

Sed dicunt: quare ergo negauit matrem suam, quando ei dixit: quid mihi et tibi, mulier et quando, cum ei nuntiatum esset, quod eum uellet uidere, respondit: quae est mater mea aut qui sunt fratres mei? ac eos potius in hunc adfectum conputauit, qui facerent uoluntatem patris eius, quia exemplo suo iam docebat negandos esse terrenos parentes propter deum. opera enim diuina facienti terrenus adfectus obstrepere non debebat. nam si propterea non habebat matrem, quia negauit matrem, nec Petrus et ceteri apostoli habebant patres, quia monuit eos dicens: et patrem ne uocaueritis uobis super terram; unus enim est pater uester, qui in caelis est. quod ergo eos monuit de patre terreno, hoc de matre prior fecit. hoc ergo dicimus sapientiam dei suscipiendo hominem non esse coinquinatam; sed misericorditer ad hominum salutem hominem suscepisse, ut fieret, sicut apostolus dicit, mediator dei et hominum homo Iesus Christus. non enim dubitanti discipulo suo mentiri potuit, qui dixit: ego sum ueritas, quando cicatrices uulnerum suorum, ut etiam manu tangeret, praebuit. quomodo enim huic in aliquo securi fidem haberemus, si discipulo suo sic mentitus esset? absit talis blasphemia nec eos ipsos in sempiternum reos teneat, qui hoc audent adserere aut credere; sed euigilent aliquando et intellegant. quam nefaria peruersitate ista credantur.

But they say: "Why then did he deny his mother, when he said to her, 'What have I to do with you, woman?' and when, on being told that she wished to see him, he answered, 'Who is my mother, or who are my brothers?' and reckoned rather those who did the will of his Father as belonging to that affection?" Because by his own example he was already teaching that earthly parents must be renounced for God's sake; for earthly affection ought not to interfere with one doing divine works. For if he had no mother because he denied his mother, then neither did Peter and the other apostles have fathers, because he warned them, saying: "And call no one on earth your father; for you have one Father, who is in heaven." What he warned them of concerning an earthly father, he himself did first concerning his mother. This, then, is what we say: the wisdom of God, in taking on manhood, was not defiled, but in mercy took on manhood for the salvation of humankind, so that there might be, as the apostle says, "one mediator between God and men, the man Jesus Christ." For he who said "I am the truth" could not lie to his doubting disciple when he offered him the scars of his wounds, even to touch them with his hand. For how could we have confidence in him in anything, if he had lied so to his disciple? Far be such blasphemy, and may it not hold those who dare to assert or believe it guilty for ever; but may they wake at last and understand with what wicked perversity these things are believed.

John 2:4 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 12:48 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 12:50 (allusion, high confidence) · Matt 23:9 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Tim 2:5 (quotation, high confidence) · John 14:6 (quotation, high confidence) · John 20:27 (allusion, high confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: Christ's words to his mother teach detachment from earthly kin, not that he had no mother; his showing of his wounds proves a real body.

Topics: Christology, Heresy, Mary, mother of Jesus

Cite (SBL): Evodius, Fid. 25 (CSEL 25:962; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/evodius-de-fide/25). (abbreviation not yet checked)

BibTeX · RIS · CSL-JSON (whole work; this passage's key: sophiascriptura-evodius-de-fide-25) · Report an error

Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin (PL or CSEL); no public-domain English translation exists, so the translation was re-read against the Latin.

Chapter 26

26CSEL 25:962–963

Nos autem Christum dominum uerum hominem suscepisse credimus et in ipso uisibiliter inuisibilem hominibus adparuisse, in ipso inter homines conuersatum fuisse, in ipso ab hominibus humana pertulisse, in ipso homines docuisse, a quibus esset recedendum, quid esset perferendum, quo esset tendendum. totum autem hoc nulla fecit necessitate. unde ipse dicit: propter hoc me pater diligit, quia ego pono animam meam, ut iterum sumam illam. nemo tollit eam a me, sed ego pono eam a me ipso; potestatem habeo ponendi eam et potestatem habeo iterum sumendi eam. non ergo mali necessitate amisit eam. uoluit enim, ut illa, quae in passione eius facta sunt, omnia fierent ad humanam naturam docendam, non ad suam tuendam. sicut enim nos, qui ex anima et corpore constamus. cum sumus inuisibiles secundum animam, uisibiles autem secundum corpus. omnia, quae uisibiliter siue honoris et beneficiorum accipimus siue contumeliae uel iniuriae patimur, ad animam, quae inuisibilis est. tamquam ad principem necesse est ut referamus, quia ipsa corpori principatur — nam et cum simus secundum animam inmortales, cum mortui corpore fuerimus, nos mortui dicimur — -ita et dominus secundum carnem et formam serui, quam suscipere dignatus est, et contumelias passus et uincula et flagella et mortuus esse manifestatur: ut omnia ueridice ueritas et nihil falso fecisse credatur, quia potestate ac uoluntate uerbum caro factum est et natus et passus et mortuus et resurrexit nulla sua necessitate, sed uoluntate et potestate, cuius nulla pars aliquando depraedata, nulla nunc usque captiua est non solum diuinae sed nec ipsius mortalis quam suscepit, sed nec umquam capi poterit nisi ab eis, qui ei per fidem uoluerint mundo corde coniungi, non sicut deus Manichaei, qui necessitatis malo pressus hodie hic ex parte. quod negare non possunt, in miseriis et calamitatibus uolutatur.

We, however, believe that Christ the Lord took on a true man, and that in him the invisible appeared visibly to human beings, in him lived among human beings, in him endured human things from human beings, in him taught human beings what to withdraw from, what to endure, and where to strive. All this he did under no necessity. Hence he himself says: "For this reason the Father loves me, because I lay down my life that I may take it again. No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of myself; I have power to lay it down and I have power to take it again." So he did not lose it under the necessity of evil. For he willed that all that was done in his passion should be done to teach human nature, not to protect his own. For just as we, who consist of soul and body, being invisible in the soul and visible in the body, must refer everything we receive visibly, whether honours and benefits or insults and injuries, to the soul, which is invisible, as to the ruler, since it rules the body (for even though we are immortal in the soul, when we have died in the body we are said to be dead), so too the Lord is shown to have suffered insults and chains and scourges and to have died according to the flesh and the form of a servant which he deigned to take. Thus the Truth is believed to have done all things truthfully and nothing falsely, because by power and will the Word became flesh, and was born and suffered and died and rose again, by no necessity of his own, but by will and power. No part of him was ever plundered, and none is captive up to now, not only of his divinity but not even of the mortal nature he took; nor can he ever be captured except by those who wish to be joined to him through faith with a pure heart. He is not like the god of Mani, who, pressed by the evil of necessity, today rolls here in part (as they cannot deny) in miseries and calamities.

John 10:17 (quotation, high confidence) · John 10:18 (quotation, high confidence) · Phil 2:7 (allusion, high confidence) · John 1:14 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 5:8 (echo, low confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: Christ took a true humanity and suffered, died and rose by his own will and power, not by necessity.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR and joined words; OCR: a for u): conaersatum → conuersatum; efbeneficiorum → et beneficiorum.

Topics: Christology, Heresy, Passion and death of Christ, Manichaeism

Cite (SBL): Evodius, Fid. 26 (CSEL 25:962–963; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/evodius-de-fide/26). (abbreviation not yet checked)

BibTeX · RIS · CSL-JSON (whole work; this passage's key: sophiascriptura-evodius-de-fide-26) · Report an error

Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin (PL or CSEL); no public-domain English translation exists, so the translation was re-read against the Latin.

Chapter 27

27CSEL 25:963–964

Intellegite sane, si potestis, etiam inter ipsos homines quantum distet inter necessitatem et uoluntatem. si quis uerbi gratia merito peccati sui in carcerem iubente iustitia mittatur. alius adsit uir sanctus, qui eundem carcerem ingrediatur propter illius consolationem aut liberationem, numquid ambo in carcere ex una causa constituti sunt? ille missus est, ille ingressus; ille poenam patitur, ille misericordiam facit; ille ingressus est. cum uoluit, egressus est, quando uoluit; ille nisi interueniente indulgentia nullo iure poterit liberari. et hoc homines facere possunt et praestant libere beneficium, cum aliquando sibi nihil cupiant praestari. cogitate ergo iam, si deus potest pati aliquam necessitatem. cum possint homines bene facere uoluntate nulla mercede conducti, nulla necessitate conpulsi. nullam ergo necessitatem patitur deus neque necessitate facit. quae facit, sed summa et ineffabili uoluntate ac potestate..

Understand, if you can, how great the difference is, even among human beings, between necessity and will. If, for example, someone is sent to prison at the order of justice for the guilt of his sin, and another, a holy man, is present, who enters the same prison to console or set him free, are both in prison for the same reason? The one was sent, the other entered; the one suffers punishment, the other performs mercy; the one entered when he wished and left when he wished, the other cannot by any right be set free unless pardon intervenes. And human beings can do this, and they freely confer a benefit, sometimes desiring nothing in return. Consider then whether God can suffer any necessity, when human beings can do good by their will, hired by no reward and compelled by no necessity. God, therefore, suffers no necessity, nor does he do what he does by necessity, but by supreme and ineffable will and power.

Notes and citation

Summary: An illustration of a prisoner and a visitor shows the difference between suffering by necessity and by will; God acts only by will.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR: o for e): nocessitate → necessitate.

Topics: Heresy

Cite (SBL): Evodius, Fid. 27 (CSEL 25:963–964; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/evodius-de-fide/27). (abbreviation not yet checked)

BibTeX · RIS · CSL-JSON (whole work; this passage's key: sophiascriptura-evodius-de-fide-27) · Report an error

Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin (PL or CSEL); no public-domain English translation exists, so the translation was re-read against the Latin.

Chapter 28

28CSEL 25:964

Et tamen uos maxime secundum errorem uestrum non debuistis obponere istam contradictionem, qua dicitis: quid facturi erant Iudaei Christo, si nollet ab eis pati? quia secundum eiusdem Manichaei blasphemias Christus carnem non habuit nec aliquid a Iudaeis passus est. sic enim in epistula Fundamenti dicit: inimicus quippe. qui eundem saluatorem iustorum patrem crucifixisse se sperauit, ipse est crucifixus, quo tempore. aliud actum est atque aliud ostensum. princeps itaque tenebrarum adfixus est cruci idemque spineam coronam portauit cum suis sociis et uestem coccineam habuit; acetum etiam et fel bibit, quod quidam dominum potasse arbitrati sunt. atque omnia, quae hic sustinere uisus est, tenebrarum ducibus inrogata sunt, qui clauis etiam et lancea uulnerati sunt.

And yet you above all, according to your error, ought not to have raised this objection, in which you say, "What were the Jews going to do to Christ if he had been unwilling to suffer at their hands?" For according to the blasphemies of that same Mani, Christ did not have flesh and suffered nothing at the hands of the Jews. For in the Fundamental Epistle he says this: "For the enemy, who hoped that he had crucified the same Saviour, the Father of the righteous, was himself crucified; at that time one thing was done and another shown. So the prince of darkness was fastened to the cross, and he with his companions wore the crown of thorns and had the scarlet robe; he also drank the vinegar and gall which some have thought the Lord drank. And all that he seemed to endure here was inflicted on the leaders of darkness, who were also wounded by the nails and the spear."

Matt 27:29 (allusion, high confidence) · Matt 27:34 (allusion, high confidence) · John 19:34 (allusion, medium confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: Mani's Fundamental Epistle says the prince of darkness, not Christ, was crucified, so the Manichees' objection about the Jews does not fit their own teaching.

  • The same passage of the Fundamental Epistle is quoted by Augustine.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR; OCR: fl for fi; stray mark): si DoUit → si nollet; cruciflxisse → crucifixisse; a. Iudaeis passus → a Iudaeis passus.

Extrabiblical texts: Mani, Ep. fund. (Mani, Letter of the Foundation; quotation)

Topics: Christology, Heresy, Passion and death of Christ

Cite (SBL): Evodius, Fid. 28 (CSEL 25:964; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/evodius-de-fide/28). (abbreviation not yet checked)

BibTeX · RIS · CSL-JSON (whole work; this passage's key: sophiascriptura-evodius-de-fide-28) · Report an error

Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin (PL or CSEL); no public-domain English translation exists, so the translation was re-read against the Latin.

Chapter 29

29CSEL 25:964

Utquid ergo obponitis dicentes: quid facturi erant Iudaei Christo, si nollet ab eis pati? cum de passione ipsius ita sentiatis. at non ipsum deum passum aliquid in corpore suo. sed principem tenebrarum illa omnia passum putetis. contra fidem autem nostram quomodo ista obponatis?

Why then do you object, saying, "What were the Jews going to do to Christ if he had been unwilling to suffer at their hands?", when you think of his passion in this way, so that you believe not that God himself suffered anything in his body, but that the prince of darkness suffered all those things? How then do you raise this against our faith?

Notes and citation

Summary: The Manichees' objection does not fit their own view of the passion.

Topics: Christology, Heresy, Passion and death of Christ

Cite (SBL): Evodius, Fid. 29 (CSEL 25:964; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/evodius-de-fide/29). (abbreviation not yet checked)

BibTeX · RIS · CSL-JSON (whole work; this passage's key: sophiascriptura-evodius-de-fide-29) · Report an error

Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin (PL or CSEL); no public-domain English translation exists, so the translation was re-read against the Latin.

Chapter 30

30CSEL 25:964

Nos enim credimus, ut in euangelio scriptum est, quia Christus uoluit pati, et. quando uoluit, passus est; non enim quando uoluerunt Iudaei passionem ipsam fecerunt. uolebant quidem tenere eam et occidere et secundum uoluntatem suam iam perfecerant scelus, quod conabantur, et iam rei erant inmanissimi peccati, quia uolebant, etiamsi nihil fecissent; tamen ille, qui potestatem. habuit. ponendi animam suam, quando uoluit eos facere permisit, qui legionibus angelorum potuit iubere, ut Iudaei perirent. uel uno uerbo suo omnes interimere.

For we believe, as it is written in the Gospel, that Christ willed to suffer, and suffered when he willed; for the Jews did not bring about the passion itself when they willed. They did indeed wish to seize him and kill him, and according to their will they had already accomplished the crime they were attempting, and were already guilty of a most monstrous sin, because they willed it, even if they had done nothing. Yet he who had power to lay down his life permitted them to act when he willed, he who could have commanded legions of angels to destroy the Jews, or could have slain them all by a single word.

John 10:18 (allusion, high confidence) · Matt 26:53 (allusion, high confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: Christ suffered when he willed, though those who sought his death were guilty by their will.

  • Polemical language about "the Jews" translated as written.

Topics: Christology, Passion and death of Christ

Cite (SBL): Evodius, Fid. 30 (CSEL 25:964; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/evodius-de-fide/30). (abbreviation not yet checked)

BibTeX · RIS · CSL-JSON (whole work; this passage's key: sophiascriptura-evodius-de-fide-30) · Report an error

Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin (PL or CSEL); no public-domain English translation exists, so the translation was re-read against the Latin.

Chapter 31

31CSEL 25:964–965

Dominus ergo Christus secundum hominem. quem suscepit, passus est; et nullum membrum eius hodie tenetur a Iudaeis uel mortalis corporis. quod susceperat. sicut supra diximus. nam deus uester o Manichaei, labe ac uastitate inpendente pressus est, non libera uoluntate processit ad pugnam, sed necessitate conpulsus est; nec praestare aliquid uoluit. sed resistere conabatur. qui etiam in sua substantia. non in suscepto mortali corpore deuoratus atque conmixtus est; qui ex parte hodie tenetur, ex parte in globo semper tenebitur. et tamen quis ferat tam incredibiles blasphemias, quas isti de ipsa passione domini proferre non dubitant.?

So Christ the Lord suffered according to the man whom he took, and no member of his, not even of the mortal body he had taken, is held by the Jews today, as we said above. But your god, O Manichees, was oppressed when ruin and devastation threatened; he did not go out to battle by free will but was compelled by necessity; nor did he wish to confer anything, but was trying to resist. He was devoured and mixed even in his own substance, not in a mortal body taken on; he is held in part today, and in part will be held in the globe for ever. And yet who could bear such incredible blasphemies as these people do not hesitate to utter about the Lord's passion itself?

Notes and citation

Summary: Christ suffered in the humanity he took and is now held by no one, while Mani's god was devoured in his own substance.

Topics: Christology, Heresy, Passion and death of Christ

Cite (SBL): Evodius, Fid. 31 (CSEL 25:964–965; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/evodius-de-fide/31). (abbreviation not yet checked)

BibTeX · RIS · CSL-JSON (whole work; this passage's key: sophiascriptura-evodius-de-fide-31) · Report an error

Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin (PL or CSEL); no public-domain English translation exists, so the translation was re-read against the Latin.