Eranistes (The Beggar), or Polymorphus 3.4–3.11

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ΟΡΘ. Οὔτε μὴν ΥἹὸς γένοιτ᾽ ἄν ποτε ὁ Πατήρ. ΟΡΘ υὐδέ γε τὸ Η νεῦμα τὸ ἅγιον γένοιτ᾽ ἂν Υἱὸς, ἣ Πατήρ. ΕΡΑΝ. Πάντα ταῦτα ἀδύνατα. ΟΡΘ. Πολλὰ δὲ καὶ ἄλλα τοιαῦτα εὑρίσκομεν ὁμοίως ἀδύνατα. Οὔτε γὰρ τὸ αἰώνιον ὑπὸ χρόνον ἔσται, οὔτε τὸ ἄκτιστον κτιστόν γε καὶ ποιητὸν, οὔτε πεπερασμένον τὸ ἄπειρον, καὶ ὅσσ τηύτοις ἐστὶ παρα- ΕΡΑΝ. Οὐδὲν τούτων ἐστὶ δυνατόν. ΟΡΘ. Πολλὰ τοίνυν εὑρήκαμεν ἀδύνατα ὄντα τῷ ΟΡΘ. ᾿Αλλὰ τὸ μὴ δυνηθῆναι τι τούτων, ἀπείρου δυνάμεως, οὐκ ἀσθενείας τεκμήριον' τὸ δέ γε δυνηθῆναι, ἀδυναμίας δήπουθεν, οὐ δυνάμεως. ΕΡΑΝ. Πῶς τοῦτο ἔφης; ΟΡΘ. “Ὅτι τούτων ἕχαστον τὸ ἄτρεπτον τοῦ Θεου κηρύττει καὶ ἀναλλοίωτον. Τὸ γὰρ μὴ δυνηθῆναι. τὸν ἀγαθὸν γενέσθαι κακὸν, τὴν ὑπερδολὴν σημαίνει τῆς ἀγαθότητος, καὶ τὸ τὸν δίκαιον μηδέποτ᾽ ἂν γενέσθαι ἄδικον, μηδὲ τὸν ἀληθῆ ψεύστην, τὸ ἐν ἀληθείᾳ καὶ δικαιοσύνῃ σταθηρόν τε καὶ βέθαιον δείκνυσιν. Οὕτω τὸ ἀληθινὸν φῶς οὐκ ἂν γένοιτο σκότος, οὐδὲ ὁ ὧν οὐκ ὦν. Διαρκὲς γὰρ ἔχει τὸ εἶναι, καὶ ἀναλλοίωτον ὑπάρχει τὸ φῶς Οὕτω τ᾽ ἄλλα πάντα σκεψάμενος, εὑρήσεις τὸ μὴ δύνασθαι τῆς ἄκρας δυνάμεως ἐμφαντικόν. Οὕτως ἐπὶ τοῦ Θεοῦ τὰ τοιαῦτα μὴ δύνασθαι καὶ ὁ θεῖος ᾿Απόστολος νενόηκέ τε καὶ τέθεικεν. Ἑδραίοις μὲν γὰρ ἐπιστέλλων ὧδέ φησιν, « ἵνα διὰ δύο πραγμάτων ἀμεταθέτων, ἐν οἷς ἀδύνατον ψεύσασθαι Θεὸν, ἰσχυρὰν παράκλησιν ἔχωμεν"» οὐκ ἀσθενὲς τὸ ἀδύνατον, ἀλλὰ ἄγαν αὐτὸ δεικνὺς δυνατόν. Οὕτω γὰρ, φησὶν, ἐστὶν ἀληθὴς, ὡς ἀδύνατον εἶναι ψεῦδος ἐν αὐτῷ γενέσθα: ποτέ. Τὸ δυνατὸν οὖν ἄρα τῆς ἀληθείας διὰ τοῦ ἀδυνάτου σημαίνεται. Τῷ δέ γε μακαρίῳ Τιμοθέῳ γράφων, καὶ ταῦτα προσπτέθειχεν ε Πιστὸς ὁ λόγος " εἰ γὰρ συνἀπεθάνομεν, καὶ συζήσομεν, εἰ ὑπομένομεν, καὶ συμ» ἡμᾶς, εἰ ἀπιστοῦμεν, ἐκεῖνος πιστὸς μένει, ἀρνήσασθαι γὰρ ἑαυτὸν οὐ δύναται. » Πάλιν οὖν τὸ Οὐ δύγαται τῆς ἀπείρου δυνάμεως ὑπάρχει δηλωτικόν. Καὶ γὰρ ἂν πάντες ἄνθρωποι αὐτὸν ἀρνηθῶσι, φησὶν, αὐτὸς Θεός ἐστι, καὶ τῆς οἰκείας οὐκ ἐξίσταται φύσεως. ᾿Ανώλεθρον γὰρ ἔχει τὸ εἶναι. Τοῦτο γὰρ δηλοὶ τὸ, ε« ᾿Αρνήσασθαι ἑαυτὸν υὐ δύναται. » Οὐκοῦν περιουσίαν ἐμφαίνει δυνάμεως τῆς ἐπὶ τὸ χεῖρον τροπῆς τὸ ἀδύνατον. ΕΡΑΝ. ᾿Αληθῆ ταῦτα, καὶ τοῖς θείοις λόγοις συμ» ΟΡΘ. Εἰ τοίνυν πολλὰ τῷ Θεῷ ἀδύνατα, καὶ τοσὶ κα δυν. αὐτα ὁπόσα τῆς φύσεως ἐναντία τῆς θείας, τί δήποτε τὰ ἄλλα πάντα κατὰ φύσιν ἐῶντες, τὸ ἀγαθὸν, τὸ δίκαιον, τὸ ἀληθὲ;, τὸ ἀόράτον, τὸ ἀνέφικτον, τὸ ἀπερίγραφον, τὸ ἀΐδιον, καὶ τὰ ἄλλα ὅσα τῷ Θεῷ προσεῖναί φαμεν, μόνας τὴν ἀθανασίαν καὶ τὴν ἀπάθειαν τρεπτάς εἶναί φατε, καὶ τὸ δυνατὸν τῆς ἀλλοιώσεως ἐπ᾿ αὑτῶν συγχωρεῖτε, καὶ δίδοτε τῷ Θεῷ δύ-

ORTh. Oute mēn HuIos genoit᾽ an pote ho Patēr. ORTh yyde ge to Ē neuma to hagion genoit᾽ an Huios, hē Patēr. ERAN. Panta tauta adynata. ORTh. Polla de kai alla toiauta heuriskomen homoiōs adynata. Oute gar to aiōnion hypo chronon estai, oute to aktiston ktiston ge kai poiēton, oute peperasmenon to apeiron, kai hoss tēutois esti para- ERAN. Ouden toutōn esti dynaton. ORTh. Polla toinyn heurēkamen adynata onta tǭ ORTh. ᾿Alla to mē dynēthēnai ti toutōn, apeirou dynameōs, ouk astheneias tekmērion' to de ge dynēthēnai, adynamias dēpouthen, ou dynameōs. ERAN. Pōs touto ephēs? ORTh. “Hoti toutōn hechaston to atrepton tou Theou kēryttei kai analloiōton. To gar mē dynēthēnai. ton agathon genesthai kakon, tēn hyperdolēn sēmainei tēs agathotētos, kai to ton dikaion mēdepot᾽ an genesthai adikon, mēde ton alēthē pseustēn, to en alētheią kai dikaiosynę̄ stathēron te kai bethaion deiknysin. Houtō to alēthinon phōs ouk an genoito skotos, oude ho hōn ouk ōn. Diarkes gar echei to einai, kai analloiōton hyparchei to phōs Houtō t᾽ alla panta skepsamenos, heurēseis to mē dynasthai tēs akras dynameōs emphantikon. Houtōs epi tou Theou ta toiauta mē dynasthai kai ho theios ᾿Apostolos nenoēke te kai tetheiken. Hedraiois men gar epistellōn hōde phēsin, « hina dia dyo pragmatōn ametathetōn, en hois adynaton pseusasthai Theon, ischyran paraklēsin echōmen"» ouk asthenes to adynaton, alla agan auto deiknys dynaton. Houtō gar, phēsin, estin alēthēs, hōs adynaton einai pseudos en autǭ genestha: pote. To dynaton oun ara tēs alētheias dia tou adynatou sēmainetai. Tǭ de ge makariǭ Timotheǭ graphōn, kai tauta prosptetheichen e Pistos ho logos " ei gar synapethanomen, kai syzēsomen, ei hypomenomen, kai sym» hēmas, ei apistoumen, ekeinos pistos menei, arnēsasthai gar heauton ou dynatai. » Palin oun to Ou dygatai tēs apeirou dynameōs hyparchei dēlōtikon. Kai gar an pantes anthrōpoi auton arnēthōsi, phēsin, autos Theos esti, kai tēs oikeias ouk existatai physeōs. ᾿Anōlethron gar echei to einai. Touto gar dēloi to, e« ᾿Arnēsasthai heauton yy dynatai. » Oukoun periousian emphainei dynameōs tēs epi to cheiron tropēs to adynaton. ERAN. ᾿Alēthē tauta, kai tois theiois logois sym» ORTh. Ei toinyn polla tǭ Theǭ adynata, kai tosi ka dyn. auta hoposa tēs physeōs enantia tēs theias, ti dēpote ta alla panta kata physin eōntes, to agathon, to dikaion, to alēthe?, to aoraton, to anephikton, to aperigraphon, to aïdion, kai ta alla hosa tǭ Theǭ proseinai phamen, monas tēn athanasian kai tēn apatheian treptas einai phate, kai to dynaton tēs alloiōseōs ep᾿ hautōn synchōreite, kai didote tǭ Theǭ dy-

Orthodoxos: Nor would the Father ever become the Son. Orthodoxos: Nor would the Holy Spirit become Son or Father. Eranistes: All these are impossible. Orthodoxos: And we find many other such things likewise impossible. For neither will the eternal come under time, nor the uncreated become created and made, nor the infinite be limited, nor anything else akin to these. Eranistes: None of these is possible. Orthodoxos: We have found, then, that many things are impossible for [God]. … Orthodoxos: But not being able to do any of these is evidence of infinite power, not of weakness; whereas being able to would surely be evidence of powerlessness, not of power. Eranistes: How do you mean this? Orthodoxos: Because each of these proclaims the immutability and unalterability of God. For that the good cannot become evil signifies the surpassing greatness of his goodness; and that the just would never become unjust, nor the truthful a liar, shows his steadiness and firmness in truth and righteousness. So the true light would not become darkness, nor he who is become one who is not; for he has enduring being, and the light is unalterable. If you examine all the other cases in the same way, you will find that “not being able” expresses supreme power. So too the divine Apostle understood and set down such “not being able” in the case of God. For writing to the Hebrews he says, “so that through two unchangeable things, in which it is impossible for God to lie, we may have strong encouragement,” showing that the impossible is not weak but exceedingly powerful. For he is so truthful, he means, that it is impossible for falsehood ever to arise in him. So the power of the truth is signified by the impossible. And writing to the blessed Timothy he also added this: “The saying is trustworthy: for if we have died with him, we shall also live with him; if we endure, we shall also reign with him; [if we deny him, he also will deny] us; if we are faithless, he remains faithful, for he cannot deny himself.” Again, then, “he cannot” indicates infinite power. For even if all human beings deny him, he means, he is God and does not depart from his own nature; for he has indestructible being. This is what “he cannot deny himself” shows. Therefore the impossibility of change for the worse displays an abundance of power. Eranistes: This is true, and in accord with the divine words. Orthodoxos: If, then, many things are impossible for God, as many as are contrary to the divine nature, why, leaving all the other attributes as they are by nature — the good, the just, the true, the invisible, the unattainable, the uncircumscribed, the eternal, and all the others we say belong to God — do you say that immortality and impassibility alone are changeable, and grant in their case the possibility of alteration, and ascribe to God a power …

Heb 6:18 (quotation, high confidence) · 2 Tim 2:11 (quotation, high confidence) · 2 Tim 2:12 (quotation, high confidence) · 2 Tim 2:13 (quotation, high confidence)

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Summary: Orthodoxos argues that God’s inability to change for the worse shows his infinite power, and asks why Eranistes makes immortality and impassibility alone changeable.

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Topics: Christology, Trinity

Cite (SBL): Theodoret, Eran. 3.4 (PG 83; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-eranistes/3-4). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude (Opus) from the Greek as printed in Migne PG 83 (archive.org OCR); no public-domain or FOTC English exists, so every section was re-read against the Greek (dialogues 1-2 partly by the translator and partly in a separate review pass).

3.5PG 83

ΕΡΑΝ. Τουτο παρὰ τῆς θείας Γραφης ἐδιδάχθημεν. Καὶ γὰρ ὁ θεῖος Ἰωάννης βοᾷ" « Οὕτως ἠγάπησεν ὁ Θεὸς τὸν κόσμον, ὅτι τὸν Υἱὸν αὑτοῦ τὸν μονογενῆ δέδωκε. ν» Καὶ ὁ θεσπέσιος Παῦλος. « Εἰ γὰρ ἐχθροὶ ὕντες χκατηλλάγημεν τῷ Θεῷ διὰ τοῦ θανάτου τοῦ Τίοῦ αὐτοῦ, πολλῷ μᾶλλον χαταλλαγέντες μεθα ἐν τῇ ζωῇ αὐτοῦ. » ΟΡΘ. ᾿Αληθῇ δὴ ταῦτα, θεῖα γάρ ἐστι λόγια. ᾿Αναμνήσθητι δὲ ὧν πολλάκις ὡμολογήσαμεν. ΟΡΘ. Ὅτι τὸν Υἱὸν τοῦ Θεοῦ τὸν Θεὸν Λόγον, οὐκ ἀσώματον ἐπιφανῆναι συνωμολογήσαμεν, ἀλλὰ φύσιν ἀνθρωπείαν τελείαν ἀνειληφότα. ταῦτα. ΟΡΘ. Εἰ τοίνυν σῶμα καὶ ψυχὴν ἔλαδεν ἀνθρωπείαν͵ ταύτῃ τοι καὶ Υἱὸς ἀνθρώπου προσηγορεύθη. ΟΡΘ. Οὐκοῦν ὁ Κύριος Ἰησοῦς Χριστὸς καὶ Θεὸς ἡμῶν ἀληθῶς “ τῶνδε γὰρ τῶν φύσεων, τὴν μὲν εἷχεν ἀεὶ, τὴν δὲ ἕλαδεν ἁληθῶς. ταῦτα. ὍΡΘ. Τοιγάρτοι ὡς ἄνθρωπος τὸ πάθος ὑπέμεινεν" ὡς Θεὸς, κρείττων πάθους μεμένηχε. ΕΡΑΝ. Πῶς οὖν ἡ θεία Γραφὴ τὸν Υἱὸν τοῦ Θεοῦ πεπονθέναι φησίν; ΟΡΘ. Ὅτι τὸ σῶμα πεπονθὸς, αὐτοῦ ὃν ἐτύγχανε σῶμα. Σκεψώμεθα δὲ ὡδί, “Ὅταν ἀκούσωμεν λεγούσης τῆς θείας Γραφῆς "ε Ἐγένετο μετὰ τὸ γηρᾶσαι τὸν σαὰχ, ἠμόλύνθησαν οἱ ὀφθαλμοὶ αὐτοῦ τοῦ ἀρᾷν, ν ὁ νοῦς ἡμῶν ποῦ φέρεται, καὶ τίνι ἐναπερεί-. δέεται: τῇ Ψυχῇ τοῦ Ἰσαάκ, ἣ τῷ σώματι; ΕΡΑΝ. Δηλονότι, τῷ σώματι. νηχέναι τοῦ τῆς τυφλότητος πάθους; ΟΡΘ ᾿Αλλὰ μόνον τὸ σῶμα τῆς ὁπτιχῆς αἰσθήσεως στερηθῆναί φαμεν. ὉΡΘ. Καὶ αὖ πάλιν ὅταν ἀκούσωμεν τοῦ ᾿Αμασίου λέγοντος πρὸς τὸν προφήτην ᾿Αμώς ' ε Ὃ ὁρῶν, βάδιζε εἷς γῆν ᾿Ιούδα, » καὶ μέντοι καὶ τοῦ Σαοὺλ πυνθανομένου "« Ποῦ (2}) ὁ οἶκος τοῦ Βλέποντος; » οὐδὲν σωματικὸν ὑποπτεύομεν. Καίτοι τὰ ὀνόματα τῆς περὶ τὸ ὀπτιχόν ἔστι μόριον ὑγείας δηλωτικά. ΟΡΘ. ᾿Αλλ᾽ ἴσμεν ὅμως, ὅτι ταῖς χαθαρωτέραις ψυχαῖς χορηγουμένη τοῦ πνεύματος ἡ ἐνέργεια τὴν προφητικὴν ἐνίησι χάριν, αὕτη δέ γε ὁρᾷν καὶ τὰ κεκρυμμένα ποιεῖ, τὸ δὲ ταῦτα ὁρᾷν ὁρῶντας αὐτοὺς καλεῖσθαι καὶ βλέποντας παρεσκεύασεν. ΟΡΘ. Οὐκοῦν κἀκεῖνο ἐπισκεψώμεθα. ΟΡΘ. Ὅταν ἀκούσωμεν τῆς τῶν θείων Εὐαγγελίων ἱστορίας, διηγουμένης, ὅτι προσήνεγκαν τῷ Θεῷ παραλυτιχὺὸν ἐπὶ κλίνης βεδλημένον, τῆς ψυχῆς τὴν λύσιν τῶν μορίων εἶναι λέγομεν, ἣ τοῦ σώματος; ΕΡΑΝ. Δῆλον ὅτι τοῦ σώματος. ΟΡΘ. “Ὅταν δέ γε τὴν πρὸς Ἑδραίους ᾿Ἐπιστολὴν ἀναγινώσκοντες, εὕρωμεν ἐκεῖνο τὸ χωρίον, ἔνθά φησὶν ὁ ᾿Απόστολος'ε« "Ὥστε τὰς παρειμένας χεῖρᾶς, καὶ τὰ παραλελυμένα γόνατα ἀνορθώσατε, καὶ τροχιὰς ὀρθὰς ποιήσατε τοῖς ποσὶν ὑμῶν’ ἵνα μὴ τὸ χωλὸν ἐχτραπῇ, ἰαθῇ δὲ μᾶλλον, » περὶ τῶν τοῦ σώματος μορίων ἐροῦμεν φάναι ταῦτα τὸν θεῖον ὉΡΘ. Τὴν δὲ τῆς ψυχῆς χαυνότητα καὶ δειλίαν ἐξαίρειν αὐτὸν φήσομεν, καὶ εἰς ἀνδρείαν παραθήγειν τοὺς μαθητάς;

ERAN. Touto para tēs theias Graphēs edidachthēmen. Kai gar ho theios Iōannēs boą" « Houtōs ēgapēsen ho Theos ton kosmon, hoti ton Huion hautou ton monogenē dedōke. n» Kai ho thespesios Paulos. « Ei gar echthroi hyntes chkatēllagēmen tǭ Theǭ dia tou thanatou tou Tiou autou, pollǭ mallon chatallagentes metha en tę̄ zōę̄ autou. » ORTh. ᾿Alēthę̄ dē tauta, theia gar esti logia. ᾿Anamnēsthēti de hōn pollakis hōmologēsamen. ORTh. Hoti ton Huion tou Theou ton Theon Logon, ouk asōmaton epiphanēnai synōmologēsamen, alla physin anthrōpeian teleian aneilēphota. tauta. ORTh. Ei toinyn sōma kai psychēn eladen anthrōpeian͵ tautę̄ toi kai Huios anthrōpou prosēgoreuthē. ORTh. Oukoun ho Kyrios Iēsous Christos kai Theos hēmōn alēthōs “ tōnde gar tōn physeōn, tēn men heichen aei, tēn de heladen halēthōs. tauta. HoRTh. Toigartoi hōs anthrōpos to pathos hypemeinen" hōs Theos, kreittōn pathous memenēche. ERAN. Pōs oun hē theia Graphē ton Huion tou Theou peponthenai phēsin? ORTh. Hoti to sōma peponthos, autou hon etynchane sōma. Skepsōmetha de hōdi, “Hotan akousōmen legousēs tēs theias Graphēs "e Egeneto meta to gērasai ton saach, ēmolynthēsan hoi ophthalmoi autou tou arąn, n ho nous hēmōn pou pheretai, kai tini enaperei-. deetai: tę̄ Psychę̄ tou Isaak, hē tǭ sōmati? ERAN. Dēlonoti, tǭ sōmati. nēchenai tou tēs typhlotētos pathous? ORTh ᾿Alla monon to sōma tēs hoptichēs aisthēseōs sterēthēnai phamen. HoRTh. Kai au palin hotan akousōmen tou ᾿Amasiou legontos pros ton prophētēn ᾿Amōs ' e Ho horōn, badize heis gēn ᾿Iouda, » kai mentoi kai tou Saoul pynthanomenou "« Pou (2}) ho oikos tou Blepontos? » ouden sōmatikon hypopteuomen. Kaitoi ta onomata tēs peri to optichon esti morion hygeias dēlōtika. ORTh. ᾿All᾽ ismen homōs, hoti tais chatharōterais psychais chorēgoumenē tou pneumatos hē energeia tēn prophētikēn eniēsi charin, hautē de ge horąn kai ta kekrymmena poiei, to de tauta horąn horōntas autous kaleisthai kai blepontas pareskeuasen. ORTh. Oukoun kakeino episkepsōmetha. ORTh. Hotan akousōmen tēs tōn theiōn Euangeliōn historias, diēgoumenēs, hoti prosēnenkan tǭ Theǭ paralytichyon epi klinēs bedlēmenon, tēs psychēs tēn lysin tōn moriōn einai legomen, hē tou sōmatos? ERAN. Dēlon hoti tou sōmatos. ORTh. “Hotan de ge tēn pros Hedraious ᾿Epistolēn anaginōskontes, heurōmen ekeino to chōrion, entha phēsin ho ᾿Apostolos'e« "Hōste tas pareimenas cheiras, kai ta paralelymena gonata anorthōsate, kai trochias orthas poiēsate tois posin hymōn’ hina mē to chōlon echtrapę̄, iathę̄ de mallon, » peri tōn tou sōmatos moriōn eroumen phanai tauta ton theion HoRTh. Tēn de tēs psychēs chaunotēta kai deilian exairein auton phēsomen, kai eis andreian parathēgein tous mathētas?

Eranistes: We were taught this by the divine Scripture. For the divine John cries out, “God so loved the world that he gave his only-begotten Son.” And the inspired Paul: “For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of his Son, much more, having been reconciled, shall we be saved by his life.” Orthodoxos: These things are indeed true, for they are divine oracles. But remember what we have often agreed. … Orthodoxos: That we agreed that the Son of God, God the Word, did not appear without a body, but having assumed a complete human nature. … these things. Orthodoxos: If, then, he took a human body and soul, for this reason he was also called Son of Man. … Orthodoxos: Then the Lord Jesus Christ is truly [man] and also our God; for of these natures he always had the one, and the other he truly took. … these things. Orthodoxos: Therefore as man he endured the passion; as God he remained above passion. Eranistes: How, then, does the divine Scripture say that the Son of God suffered? Orthodoxos: Because the body that suffered was his body. Let us consider it this way. When we hear the divine Scripture say, “It came to pass, after Isaac had grown old, that his eyes were dimmed so that he could not see,” where is our mind carried, and on what does it rest: on Isaac’s soul, or on his body? Eranistes: Clearly on the body. … [the soul] shared in the affliction of blindness? Orthodoxos: But we say that only the body was deprived of the sense of sight. … Orthodoxos: And again, when we hear Amaziah saying to the prophet Amos, “Seer, go away into the land of Judah,” and also Saul asking, “Where is the house of the seer?” we suspect nothing bodily. … Yet the names belonging to the faculty of sight … indicative of a part … of health. Orthodoxos: But we know nevertheless that the working of the Spirit, granted to purer souls, instils the prophetic grace; and this grace makes them see even hidden things, and seeing these things caused them to be called “seers” and “beholders.” … Orthodoxos: Then let us consider this too. … Orthodoxos: When we hear the history in the divine Gospels relating that they brought to God a paralytic lying on a bed, do we say that the loosening of the limbs belonged to the soul or to the body? Eranistes: Clearly to the body. Orthodoxos: But when, reading the Epistle to the Hebrews, we come upon the passage where the Apostle says, “Therefore lift up the drooping hands and the paralyzed knees, and make straight paths for your feet, so that what is lame may not be turned aside but rather be healed,” shall we say that the divine [Apostle] said this about the parts of the body? … Orthodoxos: Shall we say that he is rooting out the slackness and cowardice of the soul, and whetting the disciples to courage?

John 3:16 (quotation, high confidence) · Rom 5:10 (quotation, high confidence) · Gen 27:1 (quotation, high confidence) · Amos 7:12 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Sam 9:18 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 9:2 (allusion, high confidence) · Heb 12:12 (quotation, high confidence) · Heb 12:13 (quotation, high confidence)

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Summary: Orthodoxos argues that Christ suffered as man and remained impassible as God, showing from Scripture that words can refer to the body or the soul according to the context.

  • Many lines and replies have dropped out of the OCR where “…” is printed; in the discussion of the names “seer” and “beholder” only fragments survive, and a speech of Eranistes there is lost except for a few words. Migne’s Latin column read as Greek letters has been removed (logged corrections). “Brought to God” is Theodoret’s wording for bringing the paralytic to Christ. Quotations: John 3:16; Rom 5:10; Gen 27:1; Amos 7:12; 1 Sam 9:18; Heb 12:12–13. Allusion: Matt 9:2.

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Topics: Christology

Cite (SBL): Theodoret, Eran. 3.5 (PG 83; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-eranistes/3-5). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude (Opus) from the Greek as printed in Migne PG 83 (archive.org OCR); no public-domain or FOTC English exists, so every section was re-read against the Greek (dialogues 1-2 partly by the translator and partly in a separate review pass).

3.6PG 83

ΟΡΘ. ᾿Αλλ᾽ οὐκ εὑρίσκομεν ταῦτα παρὰ τῇ είᾳ διῃρημένα Γραφῇ. Οὔτε γὰρ τὴν τοῦ Ἰσαὰκ διηγησαμένη τυφλότητα σώματος ἐμνημόνευσεν, ἀλλ ἁπλῶς τὸν Ἰσαὰκ ἔφη τυφλόν " οὔτε βλέποντας καὶ ὁρῶντας ὀνομάπασα τοὺς προφήἧτας, τὰς τούτων ψυχὰς ἔφη ὁρᾶν καὶ βλέπειν τὰ κεκρυμμένα, ἀλλ᾽ αὐτῶν ἐμνημόνευσε τῶν προσώπων. ΕΡΑΝ. Οὕτω τοῦτ᾽ ἔχει. ΟΡΘ. Οὔτε μὴν τοῦ παραλυτιχοῦ τὸ σῶμα ἔδειξε λελυμένον’ ἀλλὰ τὸν ἄνθρωπον ὠνόμασε παραλυτικόν. ΟΡΘ. Οὐδέ γε ὁ θεῖος ᾿Απόστολος ὀνομαστὶ των Ψυχῶν ἐμνημόνευσεν, ἐπιῤῥῶσαι ταύτας καὶ διεγεῖραι θελήσας. ΟΡΘ. Ἡμεῖς δὲ τὸν νοῦν τῶν λόγων διερευνώμενοι, ἐπιγινώσκομεν, τίνα μὲν ψυχῆς, τίνα δὲ σώματος ἴδια. ΕΡΑΝ. Εἰκότα γε ποιοῦντες ᾿ λογικοὺς γὰρ ἡμᾶς ἐποίησεν ὁ Θεός. ΟΡΘ. Τῷδε τοίνυν τῷ λογικῷ καὶ ἐπὶ τοῦ πεποιῆκότος ἡμᾶς καὶ σεσωχότος χρησώμεθα, καὶ ἐπιγνῶμεν, τίνα μὲν αὐτοῦ τῇ θεότητι, τίνα δὲ προσήκει τῇ ἀνθρωπότητι. ΕΡΑΝ. ᾿Αλλ᾽ αὐτὸ τοῦτο δρῶντες, τὴν ἄκραν ἐκεί- ΟΡΘ. Καὶ μὴν ἐπί γε τοῦ Ἰσαὰκ, καὶ τῶν προφητῶν, καὶ τοῦ παραλύτον, καὶ τῶν ἄλλων τοῦτο δράσαντες, τὴν φυσικὴν τῆς Ψυχῆς καὶ τοῦ σώματος οὐκ ἐλύσαμεν ἕνωσιν, οὐδέ γε ἀπὸ τῶν οἰκείων σωμάτων τὰς ψυχὰς ἐχωρίσαμεν, ἀλλὰ τῷ λόγῳ μόνῳ διέγνωμεν, τί μὲν ἴδιον ψυχῆς, τί δὲ σώματας. Πῶς οὖν οὐ αχέτλιον ἐπὶ ψυχῶν τοῦτό γε καὶ σωμάτων ποιοῦντας οὕτω, ἐπὶ τοῦ Σωτῆρος ἡμῶν τοῦτο παραιτεῖσθαι ποιεῖν, ἀλλὰ συγχεῖν τὰς ρύσεις διὰ τὸ διάφορον, οὐκ ὅσον Ψυχὴ ἔχει πρὸς σῶμα. ἐχούσας πρὸς ἀλλῆλας, ἀλλὰ τοσοῦτον, ὅσον τὸ πρόσφατον τοῦ ἀϊδίου διέστηκε, καὶ τὸ ποιηθὲν τοῦ ποιἧσαντος - ἜΡΑΝ. Ἢ θεία Γραφή φησι τὸν Υἱὸν τοῦ Θεοῦ τὸ πάθος ὑπομεμενηκέναι. ΘΡΘ. Οὐδὲ ἡμεῖς ἄλλον τινὰ πεπονθέναι φαμέν" ἴσμεν δὲ ὅμως, παρὰ τῆς θείας διδαχθέντες Γραφῆς, ὡς ἀπαθὴς ἢ τῆς θεότητος φύσις. ᾿Απάθειαν τοίνυν καὶ πάθος ἀκούοντες, καὶ ἀνθρωπότητος καὶ θεότητος ἕνωσιν, τοῦ παθητοῦ σώματος τὸ πάθος εἶναί φαμεν, τὴν ἀπαθὴ δὲ φύσιν ἐλευθέραν μεμενηκένα: τοῦ πάθους ὁμολογοῦμεν. ΕΡΑΝ. Σῶμα τοίνυν ἡμῖν τὴν σωτηρίαν προὺὐξένησεν. 0ΡΘ. Οὐκ ἀνθρώπου σῶμα ψιλοῦ, ἀλλὰ τοῦ Ἑ υρίου ἡμῶν Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ, τοῦ μονογενοῦς Υἱοῦ τοῦ Θεοῦ. Εἰ δὲ τοῦτό σοι νομίζεται μικρόν τε καὶ εὐτελὲς, πῶς τὸν τούτου γε τύπον σεπτὸν ἡγῇ καὶ σωτήριον; Οὗ δὲ ὁ τύπος προσκυνητὸς καὶ σεθάσμιος, πῶς αὐτὸ τὸ ἀρχέτυπον εὐκαταφρόνητον καὶ σμικρόν; ΕΡΑΝ. Οὐκ εὐτελὲς ἡγοῦμαι τὸ σῶμα͵, ἀλλὰ διαιρεῖν ἀπὸ τῆς θεότητος οὐκ ἀνέχομαι. ΟΡΘ. Οὐδὲ ἡμεῖς, ὦ ἀγαθὲ, διαιροῦμεν τὴν ἔνωσιῖν, ἀλλὰ θεωροῦμεν τὰ τῶν φύσεων ἴδια. Καὶ σὺ δὲ δήπουθεν συνομολογήσεις αὐτίκα. ΟΡΘ. Οὐ προφητικῶς, ἀλλ᾽ εἰδὼς τῆς ἀληθείας τὴν δύναμιν. ᾿Αλλά μοι ἀπόκριναι καὶ τοῦτο προῦερωτῶντι" Ὅταν ἀκούσῃς τοῦ Κυρίου λέγοντος" ε Ἐγὼ καὶ ὁ Πατὴρ ἕν ἐσμεν, » καὶ, « Ὁ ἑωρακὼς ἐμὲ ἑώρακε τὸν Πατέρα, » τῆς σαρκὸς ταῦτα λέγεις, ἣ τῆς θεότητος ἴδια;

ORTh. ᾿All᾽ ouk heuriskomen tauta para tę̄ eią dię̄rēmena Graphę̄. Oute gar tēn tou Isaak diēgēsamenē typhlotēta sōmatos emnēmoneusen, all haplōs ton Isaak ephē typhlon " oute blepontas kai horōntas onomapasa tous prophēētas, tas toutōn psychas ephē horan kai blepein ta kekrymmena, all᾽ autōn emnēmoneuse tōn prosōpōn. ERAN. Houtō tout᾽ echei. ORTh. Oute mēn tou paralytichou to sōma edeixe lelymenon’ alla ton anthrōpon ōnomase paralytikon. ORTh. Oude ge ho theios ᾿Apostolos onomasti tōn Psychōn emnēmoneusen, epirrhōsai tautas kai diegeirai thelēsas. ORTh. Hēmeis de ton noun tōn logōn diereunōmenoi, epiginōskomen, tina men psychēs, tina de sōmatos idia. ERAN. Eikota ge poiountes ᾿ logikous gar hēmas epoiēsen ho Theos. ORTh. Tǭde toinyn tǭ logikǭ kai epi tou pepoiēkotos hēmas kai sesōchotos chrēsōmetha, kai epignōmen, tina men autou tę̄ theotēti, tina de prosēkei tę̄ anthrōpotēti. ERAN. ᾿All᾽ auto touto drōntes, tēn akran ekei- ORTh. Kai mēn epi ge tou Isaak, kai tōn prophētōn, kai tou paralyton, kai tōn allōn touto drasantes, tēn physikēn tēs Psychēs kai tou sōmatos ouk elysamen henōsin, oude ge apo tōn oikeiōn sōmatōn tas psychas echōrisamen, alla tǭ logǭ monǭ diegnōmen, ti men idion psychēs, ti de sōmatas. Pōs oun ou achetlion epi psychōn touto ge kai sōmatōn poiountas houtō, epi tou Sōtēros hēmōn touto paraiteisthai poiein, alla synchein tas ryseis dia to diaphoron, ouk hoson Psychē echei pros sōma. echousas pros allēlas, alla tosouton, hoson to prosphaton tou aïdiou diestēke, kai to poiēthen tou poiēsantos - ERAN. Ē theia Graphē phēsi ton Huion tou Theou to pathos hypomemenēkenai. ThRTh. Oude hēmeis allon tina peponthenai phamen" ismen de homōs, para tēs theias didachthentes Graphēs, hōs apathēs ē tēs theotētos physis. ᾿Apatheian toinyn kai pathos akouontes, kai anthrōpotētos kai theotētos henōsin, tou pathētou sōmatos to pathos einai phamen, tēn apathē de physin eleutheran memenēkena: tou pathous homologoumen. ERAN. Sōma toinyn hēmin tēn sōtērian prouyxenēsen. 0RTh. Ouk anthrōpou sōma psilou, alla tou He yriou hēmōn Iēsou Christou, tou monogenous Huiou tou Theou. Ei de touto soi nomizetai mikron te kai euteles, pōs ton toutou ge typon septon hēgę̄ kai sōtērion? Hou de ho typos proskynētos kai sethasmios, pōs auto to archetypon eukataphronēton kai smikron? ERAN. Ouk euteles hēgoumai to sōma͵, alla diairein apo tēs theotētos ouk anechomai. ORTh. Oude hēmeis, ō agathe, diairoumen tēn enōsiin, alla theōroumen ta tōn physeōn idia. Kai sy de dēpouthen synomologēseis autika. ORTh. Ou prophētikōs, all᾽ eidōs tēs alētheias tēn dynamin. ᾿Alla moi apokrinai kai touto prouerōtōnti" Hotan akousę̄s tou Kyriou legontos" e Egō kai ho Patēr hen esmen, » kai, « Ho heōrakōs eme heōrake ton Patera, » tēs sarkos tauta legeis, hē tēs theotētos idia?

Orthodoxos: But we do not find these things distinguished in the divine Scripture. For when it told of Isaac’s blindness it did not mention the body, but simply said that Isaac was blind; nor, when it called the prophets “beholders” and “seers,” did it say that their souls saw and beheld hidden things, but it named the persons themselves. Eranistes: That is so. Orthodoxos: Nor did it show that the paralytic’s body was loosened, but it called the man a paralytic. … Orthodoxos: Nor did the divine Apostle mention souls by name when he wished to strengthen and rouse them. … Orthodoxos: But we, searching out the sense of the words, recognize which things are proper to the soul and which to the body. Eranistes: And rightly so; for God made us rational. Orthodoxos: Let us, then, use this reason also in the case of him who made and saved us, and recognize which things belong to his Godhead and which to his humanity. Eranistes: But in doing this very thing, [we would destroy] that supreme [union] … Orthodoxos: And yet when we did this in the case of Isaac, and of the prophets, and of the paralytic, and of the others, we did not dissolve the natural union of soul and body, nor did we separate the souls from their own bodies; we only discerned in thought what is proper to the soul and what to the body. How, then, is it not shocking that we, who do this in the case of souls and bodies, should refuse to do it in the case of our Saviour, and should instead confuse the natures because of their difference — natures that differ from each other not as much as soul differs from body, but as much as the recent stands apart from the eternal, and the made from the Maker? Eranistes: The divine Scripture says that the Son of God endured the passion. Orthodoxos: Nor do we say that anyone else suffered. Yet we know, having been taught by the divine Scripture, that the nature of the Godhead is impassible. So when we hear of impassibility and of passion, and of the union of humanity and Godhead, we say that the passion belongs to the passible body, and we confess that the impassible nature remained free from the passion. Eranistes: So a body procured our salvation for us. Orthodoxos: Not the body of a mere man, but of our Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God. If you think this small and paltry, how do you regard its type as venerable and saving? And if the type is to be worshipped and revered, how can the archetype itself be contemptible and small? Eranistes: I do not regard the body as paltry, but I cannot bear to divide it from the Godhead. Orthodoxos: Nor do we, my good friend, divide the union; we consider the properties of the natures. And you too, surely, will agree with this presently. … Orthodoxos: Not as a prophet, but because I know the power of the truth. But answer me this too, as I ask you first: when you hear the Lord say, “I and the Father are one,” and, “He who has seen me has seen the Father,” do you say that these are properties of the flesh or of the Godhead?

John 10:30 (quotation, high confidence) · John 14:9 (quotation, high confidence) · Gen 27:1 (allusion, medium confidence) · 1 Sam 9:9 (allusion, low confidence) · Matt 9:2 (allusion, medium confidence)

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Summary: Orthodoxos argues that, as Scripture speaks of whole persons while reason distinguishes soul and body, so in Christ we must distinguish what belongs to the Godhead and what to the humanity without dividing the union.

  • Lines have dropped out of the OCR where “…” is printed, including the end of Eranistes’ objection that distinguishing would destroy the union, and his reply (probably asking whether Orthodoxos is a prophet) before “Not as a prophet”. The sentence on the natures is partly garbled and is translated by sense. The “type” of the Lord’s body that Eranistes regards as venerable and saving probably refers to the eucharistic symbols, which Theodoret calls types of the body elsewhere in this work. Migne’s Latin column read as Greek letters has been removed (logged corrections). Quotations: John 10:30; John 14:9. Allusions: Gen 27:1; 1 Sam 9:9; Matt 9:2; Heb 12:12.

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  • Digital text corrected (Migne's Latin column read as Greek letters; Migne's Latin column read as Greek letters inside a word): Ἣ ὥστε. 1.000 οἷ(. 6581 διό. → ; προῷφη: αὶ 3190 τῶν → προφητῶν; που ἃ σοὶ 5018 οὐπὶ πῃ Δη ϑγ 17 → ; διαι- Ο ἜΒΑΝ. Νοη ρεῖν → διαιρεῖν.

Topics: Christology, Eucharist

Cite (SBL): Theodoret, Eran. 3.6 (PG 83; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-eranistes/3-6). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude (Opus) from the Greek as printed in Migne PG 83 (archive.org OCR); no public-domain or FOTC English exists, so every section was re-read against the Greek (dialogues 1-2 partly by the translator and partly in a separate review pass).

3.7PG 83

ΕΡΑΝ. Καὶ πῶς οἷόν τε κατ᾽ οὐσίαν ἕν εἶναι τὴν σάργα καὶ τὸν Πατέρα; ΟΡΘ. Τοιγαροῦν τῆς θεότητος ταῦτα δηλωτικά. ΟΡΘ. Καὶ τὸ, ε« Ἐν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ Λόγος, καὶ Θεὸς ἣν ὁ Λόγος, » καὶ τὰ τούτοις ὅμοια; ΟΡΘ. Ὅταν δὲ πάλιν ἡ θεία Γραφὴ λέγῃ « Ἰησοῦς δὲ χεχοπιαχὼς ἐκ τῆς ὁδοιπορίας ἐκάθητο οὕτως ἐπὶ τῇ πηγῇ, » τίνος ὑποληπτέον τὸν κόπον; τῆς θεότητος, ἣ τοῦ σώματος; ΕΡΑΝ. Οὐκ ἀνέχομαι τὰ ἡνωμένα μερίζειν. ΘΡΘ. Τῇ θείᾳ οὖν, ὡς ἔοικε. φύσει προσαρμόττεις τὸν κόπον; ΕΡΑ͂Ν. Ἐμοὶ οὕτως δοκεῖ. ΟΡΘ. ᾿Αλλ᾽ ἄντικρυς ἀντιφθέγγῃ τῷ προφήτῃ βοῶντι" « Οὐ πεινάσει, οὐδὲ κοπιάσει, οὐδὲ ἔστιν ἐξεύρεσις τῆς φρονήσεως αὐτοῦ, διδοὺς τοῖς πεινῶσιν ἰσχὺν, καὶ τοῖς μὴ ὀδυνωμένοις λύπην. ν» Καὶ μετ᾽ ὀλίγα, ε Οἱ δὲ ὑπομένοντές με ἀλλάξουσιν ἰσχὺν, πτεροφυήσουσιν ὡς ἀετός “ δραμοῦνται, καὶ Πῶς τοίνυν ὁ τὸ ἀνενδεές τε καὶ ἄξονον τοῖς ἄϊλοις δωρούμενος, αὐτὸς τοῦ κόπου τὸ πάθος, καὶ τῆς δίψης, καὶ τῆς πείνης ὑπέμεινεν; ΕΡΑΝ. Πολλάκις εἶπον, ὅτε ὡς Θεὸς ἀπαθής ἐστι καὶ ἀνενδεής " μετὰ δὲ τὴν σάρκωσιν, ἢνέσχετο τῶν παθῶν. ΟΡΘ. Τῇ θεότητι τὰ πάθη δεχόμενος, ἣ τῇ παπάθη, καὶ κηρύττειν τῷ πάσχειν, ὡς οὐ φαντασία τὸ φαινόμενον, ἀλλ᾽ ἀληθῶς ἐκ τῆς ἀνθρωπείας φύς σεως εἰλημμένον; Σκοπήσωμεν δὲ οὕτως. ᾿Απερί-. γρᾶφον τὴν θείαν φύσιν φαμέν; : ΟΡΘ. Ἡ δὲ ἀπερίγραφος φύσις ὑπ᾽ οὐδενὸς περιγράφεται. ΕΡΑΝ. Οὗ γὰρ οὖν. τάρ ἔστιν. ΟΡΘ. Τὸ δὲ μεταβάσεως οὐ δεόμενον, οὐδὲ ΟΡΘ. Τὸ δὲ μὴ βαδίζον οὐ κοπιᾷ. ΟΡΘ. Οὐκ ἄρα χεχοπίαχεν ἧ θεία φύσις, ἀπερίγρᾶφος οὖσα, καὶ μὴ δεομένη βαδίσεως. ΕΡΑΝ. ᾿Αλλ᾽ ἢ θεία Γραφὴ χεχοπιαχέναι τὸν Ἰησοῦν ἱστορεῖ, Θεὸς δὲ δ᾽ Ἰησοῦς “« εἷς γὰρ Κύριος Ἰησοῦς Χριστὸς, δι᾽ οὗ τὰ πάντα. » ΟΡΘ. Ἐπειδὴ τοίνυν χεχοπιαχέναι αὑτὸν καὶ μὴ κοπιᾷν ἡ θεία λέγει Γραφῇ, σκοπητέον πῶς μὲν τοῦτο, πῶς δὲ ἐκεῖνο τῷ ἑνὶ προσώπῳ δυνατὸν προσ- ἘΡΑΝ. Σὺ τοῦτο δεῖξον ᾿ σὺ γὰρ τοὺς τῆς διαι- ναι, ὡς τῆς τῶν ἀνομοίων φύσεων ὁμολογηθείσης ἑνώσεως, δέχεται μὲν τὸ πρόσωπον τοῦ Χριστοῦ, καὶ ταῦτα κἀκεῖνα διὰ τὴν ἕνωσιν, ἑκατέρᾳ δέ γε φύσει τὰ πρόσφορα προσαρμόττεται, τῇ μὲν ἀπεριγράφῳ τὸ ἄχοπον, τῇ δὲ μεταθδαινούσῃ καὶ βαδιζούσῃ ὁ κόπος. Ποδῶν γὰρ ἴδιον τὸ βαδίζειν, καὶ νεύρων τὸ τῷ πλείονι διατείνεσθαι πόνῳ. ' ἘΡΑΝ, Ὡμολόγηται ταῦτα σωματικὰ εἶναι παθήματα. ΟΡΘ. ᾿Αληθὴς ἄρα ἡ πρόῤῥησις ἐκείνη, ἣν ἐγὼ μὲν ἐποιησάμην, σὺ δέ γε ἐχωμῴδησας. Ἰδοὺ γὰρ ἡμῖν ὑπέδειξας, τίνα μὲν ἀνθοωπότητι, τίνα δὲ προσέχει θεότητι. ΕΡΑΝ. ᾿Αλλ' οὐκ εἰς δύο τὸν ἕνα διεἴλον νἱούς. ΟΡΘ. Οὐδὲ ἡμεῖς τοῦτο δρῶμεν, ὦ φίλος, ἀλλ᾽ εἰς τὸ διάφορον ἀφορῶντες τῶν φύσεων, σκοποῦμεν εἰ μὲν πρέπον θεότητι, τί δὲ ἁρμόδιον σώματι.

ERAN. Kai pōs hoion te kat᾽ ousian hen einai tēn sarga kai ton Patera? ORTh. Toigaroun tēs theotētos tauta dēlōtika. ORTh. Kai to, e« En archę̄ ēn ho Logos, kai Theos hēn ho Logos, » kai ta toutois homoia? ORTh. Hotan de palin hē theia Graphē legę̄ « Iēsous de chechopiachōs ek tēs hodoiporias ekathēto houtōs epi tę̄ pēgę̄, » tinos hypolēpteon ton kopon? tēs theotētos, hē tou sōmatos? ERAN. Ouk anechomai ta hēnōmena merizein. ThRTh. Tę̄ theią oun, hōs eoike. physei prosarmotteis ton kopon? ERAN. Emoi houtōs dokei. ORTh. ᾿All᾽ antikrys antiphthengę̄ tǭ prophētę̄ boōnti" « Ou peinasei, oude kopiasei, oude estin exeuresis tēs phronēseōs autou, didous tois peinōsin ischyn, kai tois mē odynōmenois lypēn. n» Kai met᾽ oliga, e Hoi de hypomenontes me allaxousin ischyn, pterophyēsousin hōs aetos “ dramountai, kai Pōs toinyn ho to anendees te kai axonon tois aïlois dōroumenos, autos tou kopou to pathos, kai tēs dipsēs, kai tēs peinēs hypemeinen? ERAN. Pollakis eipon, hote hōs Theos apathēs esti kai anendeēs " meta de tēn sarkōsin, ēnescheto tōn pathōn. ORTh. Tę̄ theotēti ta pathē dechomenos, hē tę̄ papathē, kai kēryttein tǭ paschein, hōs ou phantasia to phainomenon, all᾽ alēthōs ek tēs anthrōpeias phys seōs eilēmmenon? Skopēsōmen de houtōs. ᾿Aperi-. graphon tēn theian physin phamen? : ORTh. Hē de aperigraphos physis hyp᾽ oudenos perigraphetai. ERAN. Hou gar oun. tar estin. ORTh. To de metabaseōs ou deomenon, oude ORTh. To de mē badizon ou kopią. ORTh. Ouk ara chechopiachen hē theia physis, aperigraphos ousa, kai mē deomenē badiseōs. ERAN. ᾿All᾽ ē theia Graphē chechopiachenai ton Iēsoun historei, Theos de d᾽ Iēsous “« heis gar Kyrios Iēsous Christos, di᾽ hou ta panta. » ORTh. Epeidē toinyn chechopiachenai hauton kai mē kopiąn hē theia legei Graphę̄, skopēteon pōs men touto, pōs de ekeino tǭ heni prosōpǭ dynaton pros- ERAN. Sy touto deixon ᾿ sy gar tous tēs diai- nai, hōs tēs tōn anomoiōn physeōn homologētheisēs henōseōs, dechetai men to prosōpon tou Christou, kai tauta kakeina dia tēn henōsin, hekaterą de ge physei ta prosphora prosarmottetai, tę̄ men aperigraphǭ to achopon, tę̄ de metathdainousę̄ kai badizousę̄ ho kopos. Podōn gar idion to badizein, kai neurōn to tǭ pleioni diateinesthai ponǭ. ' ERAN, Hōmologētai tauta sōmatika einai pathēmata. ORTh. ᾿Alēthēs ara hē prorrhēsis ekeinē, hēn egō men epoiēsamēn, sy de ge echōmǭdēsas. Idou gar hēmin hypedeixas, tina men anthoōpotēti, tina de prosechei theotēti. ERAN. ᾿All' ouk eis dyo ton hena dieilon nious. ORTh. Oude hēmeis touto drōmen, ō philos, all᾽ eis to diaphoron aphorōntes tōn physeōn, skopoumen ei men prepon theotēti, ti de harmodion sōmati.

Eranistes: And how is it possible for the flesh and the Father to be one in substance? Orthodoxos: These words, then, indicate the Godhead. … Orthodoxos: And “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was God,” and the sayings like these? … Orthodoxos: But again, when the divine Scripture says, “Jesus, wearied from the journey, was sitting thus by the spring,” to whom must we take the weariness to belong: to the Godhead, or to the body? Eranistes: I cannot bear to divide what has been united. Orthodoxos: Then it seems you attach the weariness to the divine nature? Eranistes: So it seems to me. Orthodoxos: But you flatly contradict the prophet, who cries, “He will not hunger, nor grow weary, nor is there any searching out of his understanding; he gives strength to the hungry, and grief to those who are not in pain.” And a little after: “But those who wait for me will renew their strength; they will grow wings like an eagle; they will run, and …” How, then, did he who grants to others freedom from need and from weariness himself endure the affliction of weariness, and of thirst, and of hunger? Eranistes: I have said many times that as God he is impassible and without need, but after the incarnation he submitted to the passions. Orthodoxos: Receiving the passions in the Godhead, or [in the flesh, allowing] the [flesh] to suffer, and proclaiming by its suffering that what was seen was no phantom, but was truly taken from human nature? Let us consider it this way. Do we say that the divine nature is uncircumscribed? … Orthodoxos: And the uncircumscribed nature is circumscribed by nothing. Eranistes: Indeed not … Orthodoxos: And what has no need of moving from place to place does not [walk] … Orthodoxos: And what does not walk does not grow weary. … Orthodoxos: Then the divine nature did not grow weary, since it is uncircumscribed and has no need of walking. Eranistes: But the divine Scripture records that Jesus grew weary; and Jesus is God, “for there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things.” Orthodoxos: Since, then, the divine Scripture says both that he grew weary and that he does not grow weary, we must consider how this and how that can be [ascribed] to the one person. Eranistes: You show this; for you [bring in] the [terms] of division … since the union of unlike natures has been confessed, the person of Christ receives both these things and those because of the union, but to each nature what suits it is fitted: to the uncircumscribed, freedom from weariness; to the nature that moves from place to place and walks, the weariness. For walking is proper to feet, and being strained by excessive labor is proper to sinews. Eranistes: It is agreed that these are bodily sufferings. Orthodoxos: True, then, was that prediction which I made and you mocked. For look, you have shown us what belongs to the humanity and what to the Godhead. Eranistes: But I did not divide the one into two sons. Orthodoxos: Nor do we do this, my friend; but looking at the difference of the natures, we consider what is fitting to the Godhead and what suits the body.

John 1:1 (quotation, high confidence) · John 4:6 (quotation, high confidence) · Isa 40:28 (quotation, high confidence) · Isa 40:29 (quotation, high confidence) · Isa 40:31 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Cor 8:6 (quotation, high confidence) · John 10:30 (allusion, medium confidence) · John 19:28 (allusion, low confidence) · Matt 4:2 (allusion, low confidence)

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Summary: Orthodoxos argues from Christ’s weariness at the well and Isaiah’s “he will not grow weary” that weariness belongs to Christ’s body and not to his uncircumscribed Godhead, while the one person receives both.

  • Lines have dropped out of the OCR where “…” is printed, including the end of the quotation of Isa 40:31, the steps of the argument about walking, and the transition from Eranistes’ challenge to Orthodoxos’ answer (“since the union of unlike natures …”); bracketed words are supplied for sense. Isa 40:29 in the LXX reads “grief to those who are not in pain”; translated as printed. Migne’s Latin column read as Greek letters has been removed (logged corrections). Quotations: John 1:1; John 4:6; Isa 40:28–29 (LXX); Isa 40:31 (LXX); 1 Cor 8:6. Allusions: John 10:30 (“one in substance”); John 19:28 (thirst); Matt 4:2 (hunger).

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  • Digital text corrected (Migne's Latin column and marginal references read as Greek letters; Migne's Latin column read as Greek letters; OCR slips and a stray marginal mark): ΟἈΆΤΗ. Νοη ρῥτορ οι οα, 56 ἃ χυΐὰ νου 8115 « Εξο οἱ σα 5 πὶ ὃ δἱϊ, → ; Τὸ ὃὲ (4. μετξαδάσεως → Τὸ δὲ μεταβάσεως; 66588, (δ 266 οἱ 1114 δ᾽ [(οτ. τὴἽιά, θ. → .

Topics: Christology

Cite (SBL): Theodoret, Eran. 3.7 (PG 83; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-eranistes/3-7). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude (Opus) from the Greek as printed in Migne PG 83 (archive.org OCR); no public-domain or FOTC English exists, so every section was re-read against the Greek (dialogues 1-2 partly by the translator and partly in a separate review pass).

3.8PG 83

ΕΡΑΝ. Οὐκ ἐδίδαξεν ἡμᾶς οὕτω διαιρεῖν ἡ θεία Γραφὴ ἀλλὰ τὸν Υἱὸν τοῦ Θεοῦ εἴρηκε τεθνάναι. θὕτω γὰρ ὁ ᾿Απόστολος ἔφη ε Εἰ γὰρ ἐχθροὶ ὄντες κατηλλάγημεν τῷ Θεῷ διὰ τοῦ θανάτου τοῦ Υἱοῦ αὐτοῦ. Καὶ τὸν Κύριον εἴρηκεν ἐκ νεκρῶν ἐγηγέρθαι. ε« Ὁ γὰρ θεὸς, φησὶ, καὶ τὸν Κύριον ἐξ- ΟΡΘ. Ὅταν οὖν ἡ ἡ: λέγῃ Γραφή" «ε Συνεχόἐποίησαν κοπετὸν μέγαν ἐπ᾽ αὐτῷ, » καὶ τὴν ψυχὴν εἴποι ἄν τις μετὰ τοῦ σώματος παραδεδόσθαι ΟΡΘ. Καὶ ὅταν ἀκούσῃ; Ἰαχὼδ τοῦ πατριάρχου λέγοντος " « Θάψατέ με μετὰ τῶν πατέρων μου, » περὶ σώματος, ἣ περὶ ψυχῆς ταῦτα εἰρῆσθαι το- ΟΡΘ. ᾿Ανάγνωθι δὲ καὶ τὰ ἑξῆς, ἘΡΑΝ. ε Ἐκεῖ ἔθαψαν ᾿Αδραὰμ, καὶ Σάῤῥαν εἣν γυναΐῖχα αὑτοῦ " » καί " ς Ἐχεΐῖ ἔθαψαν Ἰσαὰκ, καὶ Ῥεδέχχαν τὴν γυναῖκα αὑτοῦ “» καξ" « ᾿Εχεῖ ἔθαψαν Λείαν. » ΟΡΘ. Οὐδ᾽ ἐν τούτοις, οἷς νῦν ἀνέγνως, σώματος ἐμνημόνευσεν ἡ θεία Γραφή " ἀλλὰ διὰ τῶν ὀνομάτῶν τὴν Ψυχὴν ὁμοῦ καὶ τὸ σῶμα ἐδήλου. Ἡμεῖς μέντοι διαιροῦμεν ὀρθῶς, καί φαμεν τὰς ψυχὰς ἀθανάτους εἶναι, μόνα δὲ τῶν πατριαρχῶν τὰ σώματα ἐν τῷ διπλῷ χατατεθήῆναι σπηλαίῳ. ΟΡΘ. Καὶ ὅταν ἀκούσωμεν τῆς τῶν Πράξεων ἱστορίας διηγουμένης, ὡς ὁ ᾿Ηρώδης ἀνεῖλεν Ἰάχωὅον τὸν ἀδελφὸν Ἰωάννου μακαίρῃ, ἥκιστα καὶ τὴν ἜΡΑΝ. Πῶς γὰρ οἴ γε τῆς Δεσποτιχῆς σεως μεμνημένοι" « Μὴ φοθῆσθε, λεγούσης, ἀπὸ τῶν ἀποκτεινόντων τὸ σῶμα, τὴν δὲ ψυχὴν μὴ δυναμένων ἀποκτεῖναι : » ΟΡΘ. Οὔ σοι δοχεΐῖ δασσεδὲς εἶναι καὶ σχέτλιον, πῶν μὲν ἀνθρωπίνων ὀνομάτων ἀκούοντας, μὴ ἀεὶ ψυχὴν ὁμοῦ καὶ σῶμα νοεῖν, μηδὲ θανάτου πέρι καὶ τάφου τῆς Γραφῆς διηγουμένης, Θάνειν τῇ διανοίᾳ τῷ σώματι τὴν ψυχῆν, ἀλλὰ τῷ σώματι μόνῳ προσήκειν νομίζειν, τὴν δὲ τῆς ψυχῆς ἀθανασίαν εἰδέναι, τῇ τοῦ Κυρίου διδασκαλίᾳ πιστεύοντας " τοῦ δὲ Υἱοῦ τοῦ Θεοῦ τὸ πάθος ἀκούοντας, μηδὲ͵ τοῦτο ποιεῖν " ἀλλὰ τοῦ μὲν σώματος, ᾧ προσήκει τὸ πάθος, ἤκιστα μνημονεύειν, κὴν δὲ θείαν φύσιν, τὴν ἀπαθῆ, καὶ ἄτρεπτον, καὶ ἀθάνατον, θνητὴν τῷ λόγῳ καὶ παθητὴν ἀποφαίνειν " καὶ ταῦτα εἰδότας, ὡς εἴπερ οἵα τε παθεῖν ἣν ἧ τοῦ Θεοῦ Λόγου φύσις, περιττὴ τοῦ σώματος ἧ πρόσ- ΕΡΑΝ. Παρὰ τῆς θείας Γραφῆς μεμαθήκαμεν, ὥς ὃ Υἱὸς. τοῦ Θεοῦ τὸ πάθος ὑπέμεινεν.

ERAN. Ouk edidaxen hēmas houtō diairein hē theia Graphē alla ton Huion tou Theou eirēke tethnanai. thytō gar ho ᾿Apostolos ephē e Ei gar echthroi ontes katēllagēmen tǭ Theǭ dia tou thanatou tou Huiou autou. Kai ton Kyrion eirēken ek nekrōn egēgerthai. e« Ho gar theos, phēsi, kai ton Kyrion ex- ORTh. Hotan oun hē hē: legę̄ Graphē" «e Synechoepoiēsan kopeton megan ep᾽ autǭ, » kai tēn psychēn eipoi an tis meta tou sōmatos paradedosthai ORTh. Kai hotan akousę̄? Iachōd tou patriarchou legontos " « Thapsate me meta tōn paterōn mou, » peri sōmatos, hē peri psychēs tauta eirēsthai to- ORTh. ᾿Anagnōthi de kai ta hexēs, ERAN. e Ekei ethapsan ᾿Adraam, kai Sarrhan heēn gynaïicha hautou " » kai " s Echeïi ethapsan Isaak, kai Rhedechchan tēn gynaika hautou “» kax" « ᾿Echei ethapsan Leian. » ORTh. Oud᾽ en toutois, hois nyn anegnōs, sōmatos emnēmoneusen hē theia Graphē " alla dia tōn onomatōn tēn Psychēn homou kai to sōma edēlou. Hēmeis mentoi diairoumen orthōs, kai phamen tas psychas athanatous einai, mona de tōn patriarchōn ta sōmata en tǭ diplǭ chatatethēēnai spēlaiǭ. ORTh. Kai hotan akousōmen tēs tōn Praxeōn historias diēgoumenēs, hōs ho ᾿Ērōdēs aneilen Iachōoon ton adelphon Iōannou makairę̄, hēkista kai tēn ERAN. Pōs gar oi ge tēs Despotichēs seōs memnēmenoi" « Mē phothēsthe, legousēs, apo tōn apokteinontōn to sōma, tēn de psychēn mē dynamenōn apokteinai : » ORTh. Ou soi docheïi dassedes einai kai schetlion, pōn men anthrōpinōn onomatōn akouontas, mē aei psychēn homou kai sōma noein, mēde thanatou peri kai taphou tēs Graphēs diēgoumenēs, Thanein tę̄ dianoią tǭ sōmati tēn psychēn, alla tǭ sōmati monǭ prosēkein nomizein, tēn de tēs psychēs athanasian eidenai, tę̄ tou Kyriou didaskalią pisteuontas " tou de Huiou tou Theou to pathos akouontas, mēde͵ touto poiein " alla tou men sōmatos, hǭ prosēkei to pathos, ēkista mnēmoneuein, kēn de theian physin, tēn apathē, kai atrepton, kai athanaton, thnētēn tǭ logǭ kai pathētēn apophainein " kai tauta eidotas, hōs eiper hoia te pathein hēn hē tou Theou Logou physis, perittē tou sōmatos hē pros- ERAN. Para tēs theias Graphēs memathēkamen, hōs ho Huios. tou Theou to pathos hypemeinen.

Eranistes: The divine Scripture did not teach us to divide in this way, but said that the Son of God died. For so the Apostle said: “For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of his Son.” And he said that the Lord was raised from the dead: “For God,” he says, “both raised the Lord …” Orthodoxos: When, then, the [divine] Scripture says, “[Devout men buried Stephen] and made great lamentation over him,” would anyone say that the soul too was buried together with the body? … Orthodoxos: And when you hear the patriarch Jacob say, “Bury me with my fathers,” do you think these words were said about the body or about the soul? … Orthodoxos: Read what follows as well. Eranistes: “There they buried Abraham and Sarah his wife; and there they buried Isaac and Rebekah his wife; and there they buried Leah.” Orthodoxos: Not even in these words that you have just read did the divine Scripture mention the body; by the names it indicated soul and body together. Yet we rightly distinguish, and say that the souls are immortal, and that only the bodies of the patriarchs were laid in the double cave. … Orthodoxos: And when we hear the history of the Acts relating that Herod killed James the brother of John with the sword, [we by no means think] that the [soul] too … Eranistes: How could we, who remember the Lord’s [saying] — “Do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul”? Orthodoxos: Does it not seem to you impious and shocking that we, when we hear human names, do not always understand soul and body together, nor, when the Scripture tells of death and burial, bury the soul in thought with the body, but think that these belong to the body alone, and know the immortality of the soul, believing the Lord’s teaching; but that when we hear of the passion of the Son of God we do not do this as well, but make no mention at all of the body, to which the passion belongs, and declare in word that the divine nature — the impassible, immutable, and immortal — is mortal and passible; and this though we know that, if the nature of God the Word were capable of suffering, the assumption of the body would be superfluous …? Eranistes: We have learned from the divine Scripture that the Son of God endured the passion.

Rom 5:10 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Cor 6:14 (quotation, high confidence) · Acts 8:2 (quotation, high confidence) · Gen 49:29 (quotation, high confidence) · Gen 49:31 (quotation, high confidence) · Gen 23:9 (allusion, medium confidence) · Acts 12:2 (allusion, high confidence) · Matt 10:28 (quotation, high confidence)

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Summary: Orthodoxos argues that, just as Scripture says “Jacob” or “James” was buried or killed while meaning only the body, so the passion of the Son of God belongs to his body, not to the impassible divine nature.

  • Lines have dropped out of the OCR where “…” is printed, including the end of the quotation of 1 Cor 6:14, the start of Acts 8:2 (the subject “devout men” and “Stephen” are supplied from the verse), and the end of Orthodoxos’ point about James; bracketed words are supplied for sense. The last sentence breaks off at “assumption” (πρόσ-[ληψις]). “Bury … in thought” renders a garbled verb, translated by sense. The “double cave” is the cave of Machpelah (Gen 23:9, LXX “double cave”). Migne’s Latin column and marginal references read as Greek letters have been removed (logged corrections). Quotations: Rom 5:10; 1 Cor 6:14; Acts 8:2; Gen 49:29; Gen 49:31; Matt 10:28. Allusions: Acts 12:2; Gen 23:9.

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Topics: Christology

Cite (SBL): Theodoret, Eran. 3.8 (PG 83; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-eranistes/3-8). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude (Opus) from the Greek as printed in Migne PG 83 (archive.org OCR); no public-domain or FOTC English exists, so every section was re-read against the Greek (dialogues 1-2 partly by the translator and partly in a separate review pass).

3.9PG 83

ΟΡΘ. Καὶ μὴν ὁ θεῖος ᾿Απόστολος ἑρμηνεύει τὸ πάθος, καὶ τὴν πεπονθυΐαν ἐπιδείκνυσι φύσιν. ΕΡΑΝ. Δεῖξον τοίνυν ὥφῳτάχιστα, καὶ λύσον τὴν ἀμφισβήτησιν, ΟΡΘ. Οὐκ οἷσθα τὸ χωρίον ἐκεῖνο τῆς πρὸς ἝἙἭ ραίους γραφείσης Ἐπιστολῆς, ἔνθα φησὶν ὅ θξσπέσιος Παῦλος ε Διὸ οὐκ ἐπαισχύνετα!: ἀδελφοὺς αὐτοὺς καλεῖν, λέγων ᾿Απαγγελῶ τὸ ὄνομά σου: τοῖς ἀδελφοῖς μου ἐν μέσῳ ἐκκλησίας ὑμνήσω. σε" ν καὶ πάλιν’ ε Ἰδοὺ ἐγὼ καὶ τὰ παιδία ἅ μοι ἔδωκεν ὁ Θεός.; ΕΡΑΝ. Οἵδα ταῦτα, ἀλλ᾽ οὐδέν ἐστιν ἐν τούτοις ὧν. ΟΡΘ. Ὑποφαίνει μὴν καὶ ταῦτα ὅπερ δείξειν. ἐπηγγειλάμην. Τὸ γὰρ τῆς ἀδελφότητος ὄνομα δηλοῖ συγγένειαν, τὴν δὲ συγγένειαν ἡ προσληφθεῖσα φύσις εἰργάσατο᾽ ἡ δὲ πρόσληψις ἀναφανδὸν κηρύττει τὸ, τῆς θεότητος ἀπαθές. “ἵνα δέ αε τοῦτο διδάξω σαφέ- ( στερον, ἀνάγνωθι τὰ ἑξῆς, ΕΡΑΝ. ε Ἐπεὶ οὖν τὰ παιδία κεκοινώνηκε σαρκὃς καὶ αἵματος, παραπλησίως καὶ αὐτὸς μετἐσχηκε τῶν αὐτῶν, ἵνα διὰ τοῦ θανάτου καταρ- Υ᾽ὐσῃ τὸν τὸ κράτος ἔχοντα τοῦ θανάτου, καὶ ἀπαλλάξῃ τούτους, ὅσοι φόδῳ θανάτου διὰ παντὸς τοῦ ζῇν ἕνοχοι ἦσαν δουλείας. » ΟΡΘ. υἷμαι ταῦτα σαφηνείας μὴ δεῖσθαι " σαφῶς γὰρ διδάσκει τὸ τῆς οἰκονομίας μυστήριον. ΕΡΑΝ. Ὧν ἐπηγγείλω δείξειν ἐν τούτοις οὐδὲν ἑώρακα. ΟΡΘ. Καὶ μὴν διαῤῥήδην ἐδίδαξεν ὁ θεῖος ᾿Απόστολος, ὡς οἰχτείρας τῶν '"ἀνθρώπων τὴν φύσιν ὁ Ποιητὴς, οὐ μόνον ἁρπαζομένην ὑπὸ. τοῦ θανάτου πικρως, ἀλλὰ καὶ παρὰ πᾶσαν τὴν ἢ ζωὴν τῷδε δεδουλωμένην, διὰ ούματος τοῖς σώμασιν ἐπραγματεύσατο τὴν ἀνάστασιν, καὶ διὰ φύσεως θνητῆς κατέλυσε τοῦ θανάτου τὴν δυναστείαν. Ἐπειδὴ γὰρ αὐτὸς ἀθάνατον εἶχε τὴν φύσιν, ἐδουλήθη δικαίως παῦσα! τοῦ θανάτου τὸ κράτος, ἐκ τῶν ὑποκειμένων τῷ θανάτῳ λαδὼν ἀπαρχὴν" καὶ ταύτην ἄμωμον φυλάξας, καὶ ἁμαρτίας ἀμύητον, παραχωρεῖ μὲν τῷ θανάτῳ, καὶ ταύτην ἁρπάσαι, καὶ τὴν ἀπληστίαν ἀνεμπλῆσα!" διά ὃὲ τὺν κατὰ ταύτης ἀδικίαν, καὶ τὴν κατὰ τῶν ἄλλων ἄδικον ἔπαυσε τυραννίδα. Τὴν γὰρ ἀδίκως χαταποθεῖσαν ἀπαρχὴν ἀναστήσας, ἀκολουθῆσαι ταύτῃ παρᾶσχευἄσει τὸ γένος. Ταύτην τοῖς ἀποστολικοῖς ῥητοῖς παράθες τὴν ἑρμηνείαν, καὶ ὄψει τὴν τῆς θεότητα; ἀπάθειαν. ὔ ΕΡΑΝ. Οὐδὲν ἐν τοῖς ἀναγνωσθεῖσι ῥητοῖς περὶ τῆς θείας ἀπαθείας δεδήλωται. ΘΡΘ. Τὸ οὖν φάναι τὸν θεῖον ᾿Απόστολον, διὰ τοῦτο τοῖς παιδίοις αὐτὸν κεκοινωνηκέναι σαρκὸς καὶ, αἴματος, ἵνα διὰ τοῦ θανάτου καταργήσῃ τὸν τὸ κράτὸς ἔχοντα τοῦ θανάτου, οὐ σαφῶς δηλοῖ τὸ τῆς θεότος ἀπαθὲς, καὶ τὸ τῆς σαρκὸς παθητὸν, καὶ ὡς παθεῖν τῆς θείας μὴ δυναμένης φύσεως, ἔλαδε τὴν παθεῖν δυναμένην, καὶ διὰ ταύτης ἔλυσε τοῦ διαδόλου τὸ κράτος: ΕΡΑΝ. Πῶς διὰ τῆς σαρκὸς, καὶ τοῦ διαθόλου τὸ Χράτος ἔλυσε, καὶ τοῦ θανάτου τὴν δυναστείαν; λος, ἐξηνδραπόδισε τῶν ἀνθρώπων τὴν φύσιν : ΕΡΑΝ. Διὰ τῆς ἁμαρτίας αἰχμάλωτον ἔλαθε τὸν τοῦ παραδείσου καταστάντα πολίτην. ΟΡΘ. Τίνα δὲ τῇ τῆς ἐντολῇς παραθάσει ζημίαν ὥρισεν ὁ Θεός - ΟΡΘ. Οὐκοῦν μήτηρ μὲν τοῦ θανάτου ἡ ἁμαρτία, ταύτης δὲ πατὴρ ὁ διάθδολος.

ORTh. Kai mēn ho theios ᾿Apostolos hermēneuei to pathos, kai tēn peponthyïan epideiknysi physin. ERAN. Deixon toinyn hōphǭtachista, kai lyson tēn amphisbētēsin, ORTh. Ouk hoistha to chōrion ekeino tēs pros HeEĒ raious grapheisēs Epistolēs, entha phēsin ho thxspesios Paulos e Dio ouk epaischyneta!: adelphous autous kalein, legōn ᾿Apangelō to onoma sou: tois adelphois mou en mesǭ ekklēsias hymnēsō. se" n kai palin’ e Idou egō kai ta paidia ha moi edōken ho Theos.? ERAN. Hoida tauta, all᾽ ouden estin en toutois hōn. ORTh. Hypophainei mēn kai tauta hoper deixein. epēngeilamēn. To gar tēs adelphotētos onoma dēloi syngeneian, tēn de syngeneian hē proslēphtheisa physis eirgasato᾽ hē de proslēpsis anaphandon kēryttei to, tēs theotētos apathes. “hina de ae touto didaxō saphe- ( steron, anagnōthi ta hexēs, ERAN. e Epei oun ta paidia kekoinōnēke sarkos kai haimatos, paraplēsiōs kai autos meteschēke tōn autōn, hina dia tou thanatou katar- Y᾽ysę̄ ton to kratos echonta tou thanatou, kai apallaxę̄ toutous, hosoi phodǭ thanatou dia pantos tou zę̄n henochoi ēsan douleias. » ORTh. huimai tauta saphēneias mē deisthai " saphōs gar didaskei to tēs oikonomias mystērion. ERAN. Hōn epēngeilō deixein en toutois ouden heōraka. ORTh. Kai mēn diarrhēdēn edidaxen ho theios ᾿Apostolos, hōs oichteiras tōn '"anthrōpōn tēn physin ho Poiētēs, ou monon harpazomenēn hypo. tou thanatou pikrōs, alla kai para pasan tēn ē zōēn tǭde dedoulōmenēn, dia oumatos tois sōmasin epragmateusato tēn anastasin, kai dia physeōs thnētēs katelyse tou thanatou tēn dynasteian. Epeidē gar autos athanaton eiche tēn physin, edoulēthē dikaiōs pausa! tou thanatou to kratos, ek tōn hypokeimenōn tǭ thanatǭ ladōn aparchēn" kai tautēn amōmon phylaxas, kai hamartias amyēton, parachōrei men tǭ thanatǭ, kai tautēn harpasai, kai tēn aplēstian anemplēsa!" dia hoe tyn kata tautēs adikian, kai tēn kata tōn allōn adikon epause tyrannida. Tēn gar adikōs chatapotheisan aparchēn anastēsas, akolouthēsai tautę̄ parascheuasei to genos. Tautēn tois apostolikois rhētois parathes tēn hermēneian, kai opsei tēn tēs theotēta? apatheian. y ERAN. Ouden en tois anagnōstheisi rhētois peri tēs theias apatheias dedēlōtai. ThRTh. To oun phanai ton theion ᾿Apostolon, dia touto tois paidiois auton kekoinōnēkenai sarkos kai, aimatos, hina dia tou thanatou katargēsę̄ ton to kratos echonta tou thanatou, ou saphōs dēloi to tēs theotos apathes, kai to tēs sarkos pathēton, kai hōs pathein tēs theias mē dynamenēs physeōs, elade tēn pathein dynamenēn, kai dia tautēs elyse tou diadolou to kratos: ERAN. Pōs dia tēs sarkos, kai tou diatholou to Chratos elyse, kai tou thanatou tēn dynasteian? los, exēndrapodise tōn anthrōpōn tēn physin : ERAN. Dia tēs hamartias aichmalōton elathe ton tou paradeisou katastanta politēn. ORTh. Tina de tę̄ tēs entolę̄s parathasei zēmian hōrisen ho Theos - ORTh. Oukoun mētēr men tou thanatou hē hamartia, tautēs de patēr ho diathdolos.

Orthodoxos: And yet the divine Apostle explains the passion and points out the nature that suffered. Eranistes: Show it, then, as quickly as possible, and settle the dispute. Orthodoxos: Do you not know that passage of the Epistle written to the Hebrews, where the inspired Paul says, “Therefore he is not ashamed to call them brothers, saying, ‘I will proclaim your name to my brothers; in the midst of the congregation I will sing your praise’”; and again, “Behold, I and the children whom God has given me”? Eranistes: I know these words, but there is nothing in them of what [you promised]. Orthodoxos: Yet these words too hint at what I promised to show. For the name of brotherhood indicates kinship, and the assumed nature brought about the kinship; and the assumption plainly proclaims the impassibility of the Godhead. But so that I may teach you this more clearly, read what follows. Eranistes: “Since, then, the children have shared in flesh and blood, he himself likewise partook of the same things, so that through death he might destroy the one who has the power of death, and deliver those who through fear of death were subject to slavery all their lives.” Orthodoxos: I think these words need no explanation; for they plainly teach the mystery of the dispensation. Eranistes: I have seen in them nothing of what you promised to show. Orthodoxos: And yet the divine Apostle taught expressly that the Maker, pitying the nature of human beings, which was not only bitterly seized by death but was also enslaved to it all its life long, procured resurrection for bodies through a body, and through a mortal nature destroyed the dominion of death. For since he himself had an immortal nature, he wished to end the power of death justly, taking a firstfruits from those subject to death; and having kept this firstfruits unblemished and uninitiated into sin, he allows death to seize this too and to fill up its insatiable greed; but because of its injustice against this firstfruits, he ended its unjust tyranny over the others as well. For by raising the firstfruits that had been unjustly swallowed up, he will cause the race to follow it. Set this interpretation beside the apostolic words, and you will see the impassibility of the Godhead. Eranistes: Nothing about the divine impassibility is shown in the words that have been read. Orthodoxos: Does not the divine Apostle’s saying, that he shared in flesh and blood with the children for this reason, so that through death he might destroy the one who has the power of death, clearly show the impassibility of the Godhead and the passibility of the flesh — that, since the divine nature could not suffer, he took the nature that could suffer, and through it broke the power of the devil? Eranistes: How did he break both the power of the devil and the dominion of death through the flesh? … [Orthodoxos: … By what means did the devil] … enslave human nature? Eranistes: Through sin he took captive the citizen established in paradise. Orthodoxos: And what penalty did God fix for the transgression of the commandment? … Orthodoxos: Then sin is the mother of death, and the devil is its father.

Heb 2:11 (quotation, high confidence) · Heb 2:12 (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 22:22 (21:23 LXX) (quotation, high confidence) · Heb 2:13 (quotation, high confidence) · Isa 8:18 (quotation, high confidence) · Heb 2:14 (quotation, high confidence) · Heb 2:15 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Cor 15:20 (allusion, medium confidence) · Gen 2:17 (allusion, medium confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: Orthodoxos explains Heb 2:11–15: the impassible Word took passible flesh as a sinless firstfruits, so that death, by seizing it unjustly, lost its tyranny over the whole race.

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Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (Migne's Latin column read as Greek letters inside a word): ἄδι- ταν! Ρυϊαλ 125 Θπΐ τη χον → ἄδικον.

Topics: Christology

Cite (SBL): Theodoret, Eran. 3.9 (PG 83; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-eranistes/3-9). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude (Opus) from the Greek as printed in Migne PG 83 (archive.org OCR); no public-domain or FOTC English exists, so every section was re-read against the Greek (dialogues 1-2 partly by the translator and partly in a separate review pass).

3.10PG 83

ΟΡΘ. Ὑπὸ ταύτης οὖν ἐπολεμεῖτο τῶν ἀνθρωπων ἢ φύσις. Αὕτη γὰρ δουλουμένη τοὺς πειθομένους, αὶ τῷ παμπονήρῳ προσῆγε πατρὶ, καὶ παρέπεμπε ΟΡΘ. Εἰκότως ἄρα ὁ Ποιητὴς, εκατέραν δυνασ- «εἰαν καταλῦσαι θελήσας, τὴν ὑπὸ τούτων πολεμουμένην ἀνέλαδε φύσιν, καὶ πάσης αὐτὴν ἁμαρτίας δας ἐλευθέραν ἀπέφηνε, καὶ τοῦ διαδόλου τὸ κράτος διὰ ταύτης κατέλυσεν. Ἐπειδὴ γὰρ τιμωρία τῶν ἡμαρτηκότων ὁ θάνατος ἦν, τὸ δὲ σῶμα τὸ Κυριακὸν οὐκ ἔχον ἁμαρτίας κηλῖδα, ὃ παρὰ τὸν θεῖον νόμον ὁ θάνατος ἀδίκως ἐξήρπασεν, ἀνέστησε μὲν πρῶτον τὸ παρανόμως χατασχεθέν' ἔπειτα δὲ καὶ τοῖς ἐνδίκως χαθειργμένοις ὑπέσχετο τὴν ἀπαλλαγήν. ΕΡΑΝ. Καὶ πῶς δίκαιον εἶναί σοι δυχεῖ, τὰ δικαίως τῷ θανάτῳ παραδοθέντα σώματα τῷ παρανόμως χατασχεθέντι κοινωνῆσαι τῆς ἀναστάσεως : ΟΡΘ. Σοὶ δὲ πῶς εἶναι: δίκαιον φαίνεται, τοῦ ᾿Αδὰμ παραθεθδηχότος τὴν ἐντολὴν, ἀκολουθῆσαι τῷ πρα- ΕΡΑΝ. Εἰ καὶ μὴ τῆς παραδάσεως ἐκείνης ἔκοινώνησε τὸ γένος, ἀλλ᾽ οὖν ἑτέρας ἁμαρτάδας ἐξἥμαρτε, καὶ τούτου χάριν τοῦ θανάτου μετέλαθεν. ΟΡΘ. Καὶ μὴν, οὐκ ἁμαρτωλοὶ μόνον, ἀλλὰ καὶ δίκαιοι, καὶ πατριάρχαι, καὶ προφῆται, καὶ ἀπόπτολοι, καὶ οἱ ἐν διαφόροις εἴδεσιν ἀρετῆς διαλάμψαντες, ὑπὸ τὰς ἄρκυς τοῦ θανάτου γεγένηνται. ΕΡΑΝ. Πῶς γὺρ οἷόν τε ἀθανάτους διαμεῖναι τοὺς ἐγ θνητῶν πατέρων βλαστήσαντας; Ὁ γὰρ ᾿Αδὰμ, μετὰ τὴν παράδασιν; καὶ τὴν θείαν ἀπόφασιν, ὑπὸ τὴν τοῦ θανάτου δυναστείαν τελέσας, ἔγνω τὴν γυναῖκα, καὶ πατὴρ ἐχρημάτισεν. Θνητὸς τοίνυν γεγονὼς, θνητῶν κατέστη πατήρ. Εἰκότως τοίνυν ἅπαντες θνητὴν εἰληφότες φύσιν, ἕπονται τῷ προπάτορι. ΟΡΘ. “Αριστα ἡμῖν τῆς τοῦ θανάτου κοινωνίας' τὴν αἰτίαν ἐπέδειξας. Ταὐτὸ τοίνυν τοῦτο δοτέον καὶ ἐπὶ τὴς ἀναστάσεως. Χρὴ γὰρ πρόσφορον εἷναι τῷ πάθει τὸ φάρμακον. Ὥσπερ γὰρ τοῦ γενεάρχον κατακριθέντος ἅπαν σνγχατεχρίθη τὸ γένος, οὕτως τοῦ. Σωτῆρος λύσαντος τὴν ἀρὰν, ἀπήλαυσεν τῆς ἐλευθερίας ἡ φύσις. Καὶ καθάπερ χατελθόντι τῷ ᾿᾿Αδὰμ εἰς τὸν ἄδην ἠκολούθησαν οἔ μετασχόντες τῖ΄ς φύσεως, οὕτως ἀναστάννι τῷ Δεσπότῃ Χριστῷ κοινωνήσει τῆς ἀναδιώσεως πᾶσα τῶν ἀνθξεώκων ἡ φύσις. λέγειν τἧς Ἐχγλησίας τὰ δόγματα. Δεῖξον τοίνυν ταῦτα διδάσκουσαν τὴν θείαν Γραφήν. ΘΡΘ. "Ἄκουσον τοῦ ᾿Αποστόλου Ῥωμαίοις γράφοντος, καὶ ταῦτα δι᾽ ἐχείνων πάντας ἀνθρώπους διδάσκοντος" ε Εἰ γὰρ τῷ τοῦ ἑνὸς παραπτώματι ο πολλοὶ ἀπέθανον, πολλῷ μᾶλλον ἣ χάρις τοῦ Θεοῦ, καὶ ἡ δωρεὰ, ἐν χάριτι τῇ τοῦ ἑνὸς ἀνδρώπου Ἰνσδῦ Χριστοῦ εἰς τοὺς πολλοὺς ἐπερίσσευσεν, καὶ οὐκ ὡς δι᾽ ἑνὸς ἁἀμαρτήσαντος, τὸ δώρημα. Τὸ μὲν γὰρ κρῖμα ἐξ ἑνὸς εἰς κατάκριμα, τὸ δὲ χάρισμα ἐκ πολλῶν παραπτωμάτων εἰς δικαίΐωμα. Εἰ γὰρ τῷ τοῦ ἑνὸς. παραπτώματι ὃ θάνατος ἐδασίλενσε διὰ τοῦ ἑνὸς, πολλῷ μᾶλλον οἱ τὴν περισσείαν τῆς χάριτος, καὶ ἐν ζωῇ βασιλεύσουσι διὰ τοῦ ἑνὸς “ησοῦ Χριστοῦ. Καὶ πάλιν" « "Ἄρα οὖν, ὡς δι' ἑνὸς παραπτώματος. εἰς πάντας ἀνθρώπους εἷς κατάκριμα, οὕτω καὶ διὰ ἑνὸς διχαιώματος εἷς πάντας ἀνθρώπους εἰς δικαίωσιν ζωῆΐῆς. Ὥσπερ γὰρ διὰ τῆς παρακοῆς τοῦ ἑνὸς ἀνθρώπου ἁμαρτωλοὶ κατεστάθησαν οἱ πολλοὶ, οὕτω, καὶ διὰ τῆς ὑπακοῆς τοῦ ἑνὸς δίκαιοι χατασταθήσονται οἱ πολλοί. » Καὶ Κορινθίοις δὲ τὸν περὶ τῆς ἀναστάσεως προσφέρων λόγον, ἂν κεφαλαίῳ τὸ τῆς αἶχανομίας αὐτοῖς ἀποκαλύπτει μυστήριον, χαΐ φησι" « Νυνὶ δὲ Χριστὸς ἐγήγερται ἐκ νεκρῶν, ἀπαρχὴ τῶν κεκοιμημένων ἐγένετο. Ἐπειδὴ γὰρ δι᾽ ἀνθρώ-. Ὁ που ὁ θάνατος, καὶ δι' ἀνθρώπου ἀνάστασις νεκρῶν. Ὥσπερ γὰρ ἕν τῷ ᾿Αδὰμ πάντες ἀποθνήσκουσιν, οὕτω καὶ ἂν τῷ Χριστῷ πάντες ζωοποιηθήσονται. ᾿ Ἰδού σοι καὶ ἐκ τῶν θείων λογέων τὰς ἀποδείξεις. παρήγαγον. Βλέπε τοίνυν τοῖς νοῦ ᾿Αδὰμ τὰ τοῦ Χριστοῦ παρεξεταζόμενα, τῇ νόσῳ τὴν θεραπείαν, τῷ ἔλχϑβι τὸ φάρμακον, τῇ ἁμαρτίᾳ τῆς δικαιοσύνης τὸν πλοῦτον, τῇ ἀρᾷ τὴν εὐλογίαν, τῇ κατακρίσει τὴν ἄφεσιν, τῇ παραδάσει τὴν τήρησιν, τῇ τελευτῇ τὴν ζωὴν, τῷ ἄδῃ τὴν βασιλείαν, τῷ ᾿Αδὰμ, τὸν Χριστὸν, τῷ ἀνθρώπῳ τὸν ἄνθρωπον. Καΐποι οὐκ ἄνθρωπος μόνον, ἀλλὰ καὶ Θεὸς προαιώνιος ὁ Δεσπότης Χριστός " ἀλλ᾽ ἐκ τῆς ληφθείσης αὐτὸν ὠνόμασε φύσεως; ὁ θεῖος ᾿Απόστολος, ἐπειδὴ ταύτῃ τὰ κατὰ τὸν ἡ πάλη, ταύτης ἣ νίκη, ταύτης τὰ πάθη, ταύτης ὁ θάνατος, ταύτης ἡ ἀνάστασις, ταύτης κοινωνοῦμεν τῆς φύσεως, ταύτῃ συμδασιλεύσουσιν οἱ τῆς βασιλείας τὴν πολιφείαν προμελετήσαντες. Ταύτῃ δὲ εἶπον, οὐ τὴν θεότητα χωρίζων, ἀλλὰ τῆς ἀνθρωπότητος τὰ ἴδια λέγων.

ORTh. Hypo tautēs oun epolemeito tōn anthrōpōn ē physis. Hautē gar douloumenē tous peithomenous, ai tǭ pamponērǭ prosēge patri, kai parepempe ORTh. Eikotōs ara ho Poiētēs, ekateran dynas- «eian katalysai thelēsas, tēn hypo toutōn polemoumenēn anelade physin, kai pasēs autēn hamartias das eleutheran apephēne, kai tou diadolou to kratos dia tautēs katelysen. Epeidē gar timōria tōn hēmartēkotōn ho thanatos ēn, to de sōma to Kyriakon ouk echon hamartias kēlida, ho para ton theion nomon ho thanatos adikōs exērpasen, anestēse men prōton to paranomōs chataschethen' epeita de kai tois endikōs chatheirgmenois hypescheto tēn apallagēn. ERAN. Kai pōs dikaion einai soi dychei, ta dikaiōs tǭ thanatǭ paradothenta sōmata tǭ paranomōs chataschethenti koinōnēsai tēs anastaseōs : ORTh. Soi de pōs einai: dikaion phainetai, tou ᾿Adam parathethdēchotos tēn entolēn, akolouthēsai tǭ pra- ERAN. Ei kai mē tēs paradaseōs ekeinēs ekoinōnēse to genos, all᾽ oun heteras hamartadas exēmarte, kai toutou charin tou thanatou metelathen. ORTh. Kai mēn, ouk hamartōloi monon, alla kai dikaioi, kai patriarchai, kai prophētai, kai apoptoloi, kai hoi en diaphorois eidesin aretēs dialampsantes, hypo tas arkys tou thanatou gegenēntai. ERAN. Pōs gyr hoion te athanatous diameinai tous eg thnētōn paterōn blastēsantas? Ho gar ᾿Adam, meta tēn paradasin? kai tēn theian apophasin, hypo tēn tou thanatou dynasteian telesas, egnō tēn gynaika, kai patēr echrēmatisen. Thnētos toinyn gegonōs, thnētōn katestē patēr. Eikotōs toinyn hapantes thnētēn eilēphotes physin, hepontai tǭ propatori. ORTh. “Arista hēmin tēs tou thanatou koinōnias' tēn aitian epedeixas. Tauto toinyn touto doteon kai epi tēs anastaseōs. Chrē gar prosphoron heinai tǭ pathei to pharmakon. Hōsper gar tou genearchon katakrithentos hapan snnchatechrithē to genos, houtōs tou. Sōtēros lysantos tēn aran, apēlausen tēs eleutherias hē physis. Kai kathaper chatelthonti tǭ ᾿᾿Adam eis ton adēn ēkolouthēsan oe metaschontes ti΄s physeōs, houtōs anastanni tǭ Despotę̄ Christǭ koinōnēsei tēs anadiōseōs pasa tōn anthxeōkōn hē physis. legein tēs Echglēsias ta dogmata. Deixon toinyn tauta didaskousan tēn theian Graphēn. ThRTh. "Akouson tou ᾿Apostolou Rhōmaiois graphontos, kai tauta di᾽ echeinōn pantas anthrōpous didaskontos" e Ei gar tǭ tou henos paraptōmati o polloi apethanon, pollǭ mallon hē charis tou Theou, kai hē dōrea, en chariti tę̄ tou henos andrōpou Insdy Christou eis tous pollous eperisseusen, kai ouk hōs di᾽ henos haamartēsantos, to dōrēma. To men gar krima ex henos eis katakrima, to de charisma ek pollōn paraptōmatōn eis dikaiïōma. Ei gar tǭ tou henos. paraptōmati ho thanatos edasilense dia tou henos, pollǭ mallon hoi tēn perisseian tēs charitos, kai en zōę̄ basileusousi dia tou henos “ēsou Christou. Kai palin" « "Ara oun, hōs di' henos paraptōmatos. eis pantas anthrōpous heis katakrima, houtō kai dia henos dichaiōmatos heis pantas anthrōpous eis dikaiōsin zōēïēs. Hōsper gar dia tēs parakoēs tou henos anthrōpou hamartōloi katestathēsan hoi polloi, houtō, kai dia tēs hypakoēs tou henos dikaioi chatastathēsontai hoi polloi. » Kai Korinthiois de ton peri tēs anastaseōs prospherōn logon, an kephalaiǭ to tēs aichanomias autois apokalyptei mystērion, chaï phēsi" « Nyni de Christos egēgertai ek nekrōn, aparchē tōn kekoimēmenōn egeneto. Epeidē gar di᾽ anthrō-. Ho pou ho thanatos, kai di' anthrōpou anastasis nekrōn. Hōsper gar hen tǭ ᾿Adam pantes apothnēskousin, houtō kai an tǭ Christǭ pantes zōopoiēthēsontai. ᾿ Idou soi kai ek tōn theiōn logeōn tas apodeixeis. parēgagon. Blepe toinyn tois nou ᾿Adam ta tou Christou parexetazomena, tę̄ nosǭ tēn therapeian, tǭ elchϑbi to pharmakon, tę̄ hamartią tēs dikaiosynēs ton plouton, tę̄ arą tēn eulogian, tę̄ katakrisei tēn aphesin, tę̄ paradasei tēn tērēsin, tę̄ teleutę̄ tēn zōēn, tǭ adę̄ tēn basileian, tǭ ᾿Adam, ton Christon, tǭ anthrōpǭ ton anthrōpon. Kaïpoi ouk anthrōpos monon, alla kai Theos proaiōnios ho Despotēs Christos " all᾽ ek tēs lēphtheisēs auton ōnomase physeōs? ho theios ᾿Apostolos, epeidē tautę̄ ta kata ton hē palē, tautēs hē nikē, tautēs ta pathē, tautēs ho thanatos, tautēs hē anastasis, tautēs koinōnoumen tēs physeōs, tautę̄ symdasileusousin hoi tēs basileias tēn polipheian promeletēsantes. Tautę̄ de eipon, ou tēn theotēta chōrizōn, alla tēs anthrōpotētos ta idia legōn.

Orthodoxos: By sin, then, the nature of human beings was warred upon. For sin, enslaving those who obeyed it, both brought them to their all-wicked father and handed them over [to death] … Orthodoxos: Fittingly, then, the Maker, wishing to destroy both tyrannies, assumed the nature that was warred upon by them, and showed it free from all sin, and through it destroyed the power of the devil. For since death was the punishment of sinners, and death had unjustly snatched away, against the divine law, the Lord’s body, which had no stain of sin, he first raised what had been lawlessly held fast, and then promised release also to those justly imprisoned. Eranistes: And how does it seem just to you that bodies justly handed over to death should share in the resurrection of the one lawlessly held fast? Orthodoxos: And how does it seem just to you that, when Adam had transgressed the commandment, [the race] should follow the [forefather] …? Eranistes: Even if the race did not share in that transgression, it committed other sins, and for that reason partook of death. Orthodoxos: And yet not only sinners, but also the righteous, patriarchs, prophets, apostles, and those who shone in different kinds of virtue, have fallen into the nets of death. Eranistes: How could those sprung from mortal fathers remain immortal? For Adam, after the transgression and the divine sentence, having come under the dominion of death, knew his wife and became a father. Having become mortal, then, he became the father of mortals. Fittingly, then, all who received a mortal nature follow their forefather. Orthodoxos: You have shown us excellently the cause of our sharing in death. This same thing, then, must be granted in the case of the resurrection too. For the remedy must suit the affliction. Just as, when the founder of the race was condemned, the whole race was condemned with him, so, when the Saviour lifted the curse, the nature enjoyed freedom. And just as those who shared his nature followed Adam when he went down to Hades, so the whole nature of human beings will share in the return to life with Christ the Lord, who rose. … to speak the doctrines of the Church. Show, then, the divine Scripture teaching these things. Orthodoxos: Hear the Apostle writing to the Romans, and through them teaching all human beings: “For if by the trespass of the one the many died, much more has the grace of God and the gift in the grace of the one man Jesus Christ abounded for the many. And the gift is not as through the one who sinned; for the judgment came from one trespass to condemnation, but the free gift from many trespasses to justification. For if by the trespass of the one death reigned through the one, much more will those who [receive] the abundance of grace also reign in life through the one, Jesus Christ.” And again: “So then, as through one trespass [it came] to all human beings to condemnation, so also through one act of righteousness to all human beings to justification of life. For as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one the many will be made righteous.” And writing to the Corinthians his discourse on the resurrection, he reveals to them the mystery of the dispensation in summary, and says: “But now Christ has been raised from the dead; he became the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. For since through a man came death, through a man also came the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive.” See, I have brought you the proofs from the divine oracles too. Look, then, at the things of Christ set beside those of Adam: the cure beside the disease, the remedy beside the wound, the wealth of righteousness beside the sin, the blessing beside the curse, the forgiveness beside the condemnation, the keeping of the commandment beside the transgression, life beside death, the kingdom beside Hades, Christ beside Adam, man beside man. And yet Christ the Lord is not only man, but also God before the ages; but the divine Apostle named him from the nature that was assumed, since to this nature belonged the struggle, to this the victory, to this the sufferings, to this the death, to this the resurrection; in this nature we share; with this nature those who have practised beforehand the way of life of the kingdom will reign with him. I said “with this” not separating the Godhead, but stating the properties of the humanity.

Rom 5:15 (quotation, high confidence) · Rom 5:16 (quotation, high confidence) · Rom 5:17 (quotation, high confidence) · Rom 5:18 (quotation, high confidence) · Rom 5:19 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Cor 15:20 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Cor 15:21 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Cor 15:22 (quotation, high confidence) · Gen 4:1 (allusion, medium confidence) · Gen 3:19 (allusion, low confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: Orthodoxos argues from Rom 5 and 1 Cor 15 that, as Adam’s condemnation brought death to all, so Christ’s sinless human nature, unjustly killed and raised, brings resurrection to the whole race.

  • Lines have dropped out of the OCR where “…” is printed, including the end of Orthodoxos’ question about Adam and the beginning of Eranistes’ demand for proof from Scripture (“… to speak the doctrines of the Church”); bracketed words are supplied for sense. In the sentence on the assumed nature the OCR garbles “to this the struggle”, translated by sense. Migne’s Latin column and marginal references read as Greek letters have been removed (logged corrections). Quotations: Rom 5:15–17; Rom 5:18–19; 1 Cor 15:20–22. Allusions: Gen 4:1; Gen 3:17–19.

Notes on the original text

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Topics: Christology, Eschatology

Cite (SBL): Theodoret, Eran. 3.10 (PG 83; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-eranistes/3-10). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude (Opus) from the Greek as printed in Migne PG 83 (archive.org OCR); no public-domain or FOTC English exists, so every section was re-read against the Greek (dialogues 1-2 partly by the translator and partly in a separate review pass).

3.11PG 83

ΕΡΑΝ. Πολλοὺς περὶ τούτου διεξελήλυθας λόγους, τοίνυν τῆς σαρκὸς ἀληθῶς τὸ πάθος, πῶς ὁ θεῖος ᾿Απόστολος βοᾷ τὴν θείαν φιλανθρωπίαν ὑμνῶν" « Ὃς γε τοῦ ἰδίου Υἱοῦ οὖχκ ἐφείσατο, ἀλλὰ ὑπὲρ ἡμῶν πάντων παρέδωκεν αὐτόν: » Ποῖον νἱὸν ἔφη παραδεδόσθαι : ΟΡΘ. Εὐφήμει, ἄνθρωπε " εἷς γὰρ τοῦ Θεοῦ Υἱός “ εὖ δὴ ἕνεκα Μονογενὴς προσηγόρευται. ΕΡΑΝ. Εἰ τοίνυν εἷς ἐστιν Υἱὸς τοῦ Θεοῦ, αὐτὸν ἃ θεῖος ᾿Απόστολος ἴδιον Υἱὸν προσηγόρευσεν.. ΕΡΑΝ. Αὐτὸν οὖν ἄρα ἔφη παραδεδόσθαι. ΟΡΘ. Αὐτὸν, ἀλλ᾽ οὐκ ἀσώματον, ὡς πολλάκις ὡμολογήσαμεν. ΕΡΑΝ. Ὠμολογήθη πολλάκις σῶμα αὐτὸν καὶ ψυχὴν εἰληφέναι. ΟΡΘ. Οὐκοῦν περὶ τῶν σώματι συμδεθηχότων ὁ ᾿λπόστολος εἴρηκεν. ᾿ ΕΡΑΝ. Ἐναργῶς ἄγαν ὁ ᾿Απόστολος αὐ βανν: α ς« Ὅσγε τοῦ ἰδίου Υἱοῦ οὐκ ἐφείσατο. » ΟΡΘ. Οὔὖὗταν οὖν ἀκούσῃς τοῦ Θεοῦ πρὸς τὸν ᾿Αθραὰμ, λέγοντος “ « ᾿Ανθ᾽ ὧν οὐκ ἐφείσω τοῦ υἱοῦ φου ἀγαπητοῦ δι ἐμξ, » ἐσφάχθαι λέγεις τὸν Ἰσαάκ; ΟΡΘ. Καὶ μὴν ὁ θεὸς ἔφη τὸ, ε« οὐκ ἐφείσω" » ἀληθὴς δὲ ἁ τῶν ὅλων Θεός. ΕΡΑΝ. Τῇ προθυμίᾳ τοῦ ᾿Αδραλμ, πὸ, ε αὖκ ἐφείφὰν παῖδα, ἀλλ᾽ ὁ Θεὸς διεκώλυσεν. ΟΡΘ. “Ὥσπερ τοίνυν ἐν τοῖς κατὰ τὸν ᾿Αδραὰμ οὐκ ἠνέσχου τοῦ γράμματος, ἀλλ᾽ ἀναπτύξας τοῦτο, τὴν διάνοιαν ἐσαφήνισας " οὕτω καὶ τῆς ἀποστολικῇς ῥήσεως ἐρεύνησον τὸν σκοπόν, Ὄψει γὰρ οὐ τὴν θείαν φύσιν ἤκιστα τυχοῦσαν φειδοῦς, ἀλλὰ τὴν αάρχα, τὴν προσηλωθεῖσαν τῷ ξύλῳ " ῥάδιον δὲ χἂᾶν τῷ τύπῳ κατιδεῖν τὴν ἀλήθειαν. Δοκεῖ τύπος εἶναι τοῦ ᾿Αὔραλμ, ἣ θυσία τῆς ὑπὲρ τοῦ κόσμου προσ- ἘΡΑΝ. Οὐ πάντως“ οὐδὲ γὰρ κανόνα ποιοῦμαι δογμάτων τὰ πανηγυριχῶς ἐν ταῖς Ἐκκλησίαις λε- ΟΡΘ. Μάλιστα μὲν ἐχρῆν τοῖς τῆς Ἐκκλησίας διδασκάλοις ἀκολουθεῖν, Ἑπειδὴ δὲ τούτοις ἀντιτείνεις, οὐκ εὖγε ποιῶν, αὐτοῦ γ᾽ οὖν του Σωτῆρος ἄκουσον πρὸς Ἰουδαίους εἰρηκότος" ε« ᾿Αδραὰμ ὁ πατὴρ ὑμῶν ἢγαλλιάσατο, ἵνα ἴδῃ τὴν ἡμέραν τὴν ἐμὴν, καὶ εἶδε, καὶ ἐχάρη" » καὶ σκόπησον ὡς ἡμέραν ὁ Κύριος τὸ πάθος προσαγορεύει. ΕΡΑΝ. Ἐδεξάμην τὴν Δεσποτικὴν μαρτυρίαν, καὶ πιστεύω τῷ τύπῳ. ΟΡΘ. Παράθες τοίνυν τῇ ἀληθείᾳ τὸν τύπον, καὶ ὄψει κἀν τῷ τύπῳ τὸ ἀπαθὲς τῆς θεότητος. Πατὴμ γὰρ κἀνταῦθα χἀχεζ, καὶ υἱὸς ὡσαύτως ἀγαπητὸς κἀνταῦθα κἀκεῖ, καὶ φέρων ἑκάτερος τῆς θυσίας τὴν ὕλην. Ὁ μὲν γὰρ τὰ ξύλα, ὁ δὲ τὸν σταυρὸν ἐπὶ τῶν. ὥμων ἐχόμιζε. Φασὶ δὲ καὶ τὴν τοῦ ὄρους ἀχρωνυχίαν ἱερουργίας ἑκατέρας ἀξιωθῆναι" συμφωνεῖ καὶ ὁ τῶν ἡμερῶν καὶ τῶν νυκτῶν ἀριθμὸς, κκαὶ ἣ μετὰ ταύτας ἀνάστασις. Καὶ γὰρ Ἰσαὰκ τῇ «οὔ. Πατρὸς προθυμίᾳ χατασφαγεὶς ἐξ ἧσπερ ἡμέρας ὃ μεγαλόδωρος τοῦτο προσέταξε γε έσθαι, τῇ τρίτῃ τυπικῶς ἀνεδίω τῇ τοῦ φιλανθρώπου φωνῇ ὥφθη ὃὲ κριὸς ἐξηρτημένος φυτοῦ, καὶ τοῦ σταυροῦ τὴν εἰκόνα δεικνὺς, ὃς ἀντὶ τοῦ παιδὸς ὑπέμεινε τὴν σφαγήν. Εἰ δὲ τύπος ταῦτα τῆς ἀληθείας, ἐν δὲ τῷ τύπῳ σφαγὴν οὐκ ὑπέμεινεν ὁ μονογενὴς, ἀλλὰ κριὸς ἀντεισήχθη, καὶ τῷ βωμῷ προσηνέχθη, καὶ τῆς ἱερουργίας πεπλήρωκε τὸ μυστήριον, τί δήποτε κάνταῦθα μὴ τῇ σαρκὶ τὸ πάθος προσνέμετε, καὶ τῆς θεότητος τὴν ἀπάθειαν χηρύττετε;

ERAN. Pollous peri toutou diexelēlythas logous, toinyn tēs sarkos alēthōs to pathos, pōs ho theios ᾿Apostolos boą tēn theian philanthrōpian hymnōn" « Hos ge tou idiou Huiou ouchk epheisato, alla hyper hēmōn pantōn paredōken auton: » Poion nion ephē paradedosthai : ORTh. Euphēmei, anthrōpe " heis gar tou Theou Huios “ eu dē heneka Monogenēs prosēgoreutai. ERAN. Ei toinyn heis estin Huios tou Theou, auton ha theios ᾿Apostolos idion Huion prosēgoreusen.. ERAN. Auton oun ara ephē paradedosthai. ORTh. Auton, all᾽ ouk asōmaton, hōs pollakis hōmologēsamen. ERAN. Ōmologēthē pollakis sōma auton kai psychēn eilēphenai. ORTh. Oukoun peri tōn sōmati symdethēchotōn ho ᾿lpostolos eirēken. ᾿ ERAN. Enargōs agan ho ᾿Apostolos au bann: a s« Hosge tou idiou Huiou ouk epheisato. » ORTh. Ouyytan oun akousę̄s tou Theou pros ton ᾿Athraam, legontos “ « ᾿Anth᾽ hōn ouk epheisō tou huiou phou agapētou di emx, » esphachthai legeis ton Isaak? ORTh. Kai mēn ho theos ephē to, e« ouk epheisō" » alēthēs de ha tōn holōn Theos. ERAN. Tę̄ prothymią tou ᾿Adralm, po, e auk epheiphan paida, all᾽ ho Theos diekōlysen. ORTh. “Hōsper toinyn en tois kata ton ᾿Adraam ouk ēneschou tou grammatos, all᾽ anaptyxas touto, tēn dianoian esaphēnisas " houtō kai tēs apostolikę̄s rhēseōs ereunēson ton skopon, Opsei gar ou tēn theian physin ēkista tychousan pheidous, alla tēn aarcha, tēn prosēlōtheisan tǭ xylǭ " rhadion de chaan tǭ typǭ katidein tēn alētheian. Dokei typos einai tou ᾿Auralm, hē thysia tēs hyper tou kosmou pros- ERAN. Ou pantōs“ oude gar kanona poioumai dogmatōn ta panēgyrichōs en tais Ekklēsiais le- ORTh. Malista men echrēn tois tēs Ekklēsias didaskalois akolouthein, Hepeidē de toutois antiteineis, ouk euge poiōn, autou g᾽ oun tou Sōtēros akouson pros Ioudaious eirēkotos" e« ᾿Adraam ho patēr hymōn ēgalliasato, hina idę̄ tēn hēmeran tēn emēn, kai eide, kai echarē" » kai skopēson hōs hēmeran ho Kyrios to pathos prosagoreuei. ERAN. Edexamēn tēn Despotikēn martyrian, kai pisteuō tǭ typǭ. ORTh. Parathes toinyn tę̄ alētheią ton typon, kai opsei kan tǭ typǭ to apathes tēs theotētos. Patēm gar kantautha chachez, kai huios hōsautōs agapētos kantautha kakei, kai pherōn hekateros tēs thysias tēn hylēn. Ho men gar ta xyla, ho de ton stauron epi tōn. hōmōn echomize. Phasi de kai tēn tou orous achrōnychian hierourgias hekateras axiōthēnai" symphōnei kai ho tōn hēmerōn kai tōn nyktōn arithmos, kkai hē meta tautas anastasis. Kai gar Isaak tę̄ «ou. Patros prothymią chatasphageis ex hēsper hēmeras ho megalodōros touto prosetaxe ge esthai, tę̄ tritę̄ typikōs anediō tę̄ tou philanthrōpou phōnę̄ hōphthē hoe krios exērtēmenos phytou, kai tou staurou tēn eikona deiknys, hos anti tou paidos hypemeine tēn sphagēn. Ei de typos tauta tēs alētheias, en de tǭ typǭ sphagēn ouk hypemeinen ho monogenēs, alla krios anteisēchthē, kai tǭ bōmǭ prosēnechthē, kai tēs hierourgias peplērōke to mystērion, ti dēpote kantautha mē tę̄ sarki to pathos prosnemete, kai tēs theotētos tēn apatheian chēryttete?

Eranistes: You have gone through many arguments about this … [if,] then, the passion truly belongs to the flesh, how does the divine Apostle cry out in praise of God’s love for humankind, “He who did not spare his own Son, but gave him up for us all”? What son did he say was given up? Orthodoxos: Hush, man! For there is one Son of God; and for this reason he has been called Only-begotten. Eranistes: If, then, there is one Son of God, the divine Apostle called him his own Son. … Eranistes: So he said that he himself was given up. Orthodoxos: He himself, but not without a body, as we have often agreed. Eranistes: It has often been agreed that he took a body and a soul. Orthodoxos: Then the Apostle spoke about what happened to the body. Eranistes: The Apostle [says] very plainly, “He who did not spare his own Son.” Orthodoxos: When, then, you hear God saying to Abraham, “Because you did not spare your beloved son for my sake,” do you say that Isaac was slaughtered? … Orthodoxos: And yet God said, “You did not spare”; and the God of the universe is truthful. Eranistes: [He said] “you did not spare” of Abraham’s eagerness … [he was ready to sacrifice the] boy, but God prevented it. Orthodoxos: Just as, then, in the story of Abraham you did not put up with the bare letter, but unfolded it and made the sense clear, so also search out the aim of the apostolic saying. For you will see that it was by no means the divine nature that was not spared, but the flesh that was nailed to the wood. And it is easy to see the truth even in the type. Does the sacrifice of Abraham seem to you to be a type of the offering made for the world …? Eranistes: Not at all. For I do not make a rule of doctrine out of what is said in festal oratory in the churches. Orthodoxos: You ought above all to follow the teachers of the Church. But since you resist them, and do not do well in it, hear at least the Saviour himself saying to the Jews, “Your father Abraham rejoiced that he would see my day; and he saw it and was glad”; and consider how the Lord calls the passion his “day.” Eranistes: I have accepted the Lord’s testimony, and I believe the type. Orthodoxos: Set the type, then, beside the truth, and you will see even in the type the impassibility of the Godhead. For there is a father here and there, and likewise a beloved son here and there, and each carrying the material of the sacrifice: the one carried the wood, the other the cross on his shoulders. They say, too, that the summit of the mountain was honored with both sacrifices; the number of the days and nights also agrees, and the resurrection after them. For Isaac, slain by his father’s eagerness from the very day on which the generous Giver commanded it to be done, on the third day came back to life in figure by the voice of the Lover of humankind; and a ram was seen caught in a bush, showing the image of the cross, and it endured the slaughter in place of the boy. If these things are a type of the truth, and in the type the only son did not undergo slaughter, but a ram was brought in instead and offered on the altar and completed the mystery of the sacrifice, why do you not here too assign the passion to the flesh and proclaim the impassibility of the Godhead?

Rom 8:32 (quotation, high confidence) · Gen 22:16 (quotation, high confidence) · John 8:56 (quotation, high confidence) · Gen 22:4 (allusion, medium confidence) · Gen 22:6 (allusion, high confidence) · Gen 22:13 (allusion, high confidence) · John 19:17 (allusion, medium confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: Orthodoxos reads Rom 8:32 in the light of Abraham’s sacrifice, where the son was spared and a ram died, as a type of Christ’s flesh suffering while his Godhead remained impassible.

  • Lines have dropped out of the OCR where “…” is printed, including the start of Eranistes’ question, his answer whether Isaac was slaughtered, and the end of Orthodoxos’ question about the type; bracketed words are supplied for sense. “For my sake” in Gen 22:16 follows the LXX. The tradition that Isaac’s sacrifice and the crucifixion took place on the same mountain is introduced with “they say”; Theodoret does not vouch for it. Migne’s Latin column read as Greek letters has been removed (logged corrections). Quotations: Rom 8:32; Gen 22:16 (LXX); John 8:56. Allusions: Gen 22:4, 6, 13; John 19:17.

Notes on the original text

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Topics: Christology

Cite (SBL): Theodoret, Eran. 3.11 (PG 83; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-eranistes/3-11). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude (Opus) from the Greek as printed in Migne PG 83 (archive.org OCR); no public-domain or FOTC English exists, so every section was re-read against the Greek (dialogues 1-2 partly by the translator and partly in a separate review pass).