Eranistes (The Beggar), or Polymorphus 3.12–3.20
Greek text: PG 83.English: Claude (claude-opus-5-5), public domain (CC0).
Chapter 3
3.12PG 83
ΕΡΑΝ. Καὶ σὺ τὰ περὶ τούτου τοῦ τύπου διηγουμενος, τὸν Ἰσαὰκ ἔφης ἀναδιῶναι τῇ θείᾳ φωνῇ. Οὐδὲν τοίνυν ἀπεικὸς ποιοῦμεν, τῷ τύπῳ προσαρμόζοντες τὴν ἀλήθειαν, καὶ τὸν Θεὸν Λόγον πεπονθέναι ΟΡΘ. Πολλάκις ἔφην, ὡς οὐκ οἷόν τε τὴν εἰκόνα πάντα ἔχειν, ὅσα τὸ ἀρχέτυπον ἔχει. Τοῦτο δὲ κἀντεῦθεν καταμαθεῖν εὐπετές. Ὁ γὰρ Ἰσαὰκ, καὶ ὁ κριὸς, κατὰ μὲν τὸ διάφορον τῶν φύσεων, τῇ εἰκόνι συμθαίνουσι, κατὰ δὲ τὸ διῃρημένον κεχωρισμένων τῶν ὑποστάσεων, οὐκ ἔτι. Θεότητος γὰρ ἡμεῖς καὶ ἀνθρωπότητος τοιαύτην κηρύττομεν ἕνωσιν, ὡς ἐννοεῖν ἕν πρόσωπον ἀδιαίρετον, καὶ τὸν αὐτὸν Θεόν τε εἰδέναι καὶ ἄνθρωπον, ὁρώμενον καὶ ἀόρατον, περιγεγραμμένον καὶ ἀπερίγραφον, καὶ τὰ ἄλλα δὲ πάντα, ὅσα τῆς θεότητος καὶ τῆς ἀνθρωπότητος ὑπάρχει δηλωτικὰ, τῶν προσώπων τῷ ἑνὶ προσαρμόττομεν. Ἐπειδὴ τοίνυν οἷόν τε οὐκ ἦν ἐν τῷ κριῷ προτυπωθῆναι τὴν ἀναθδίωσιν, ἀλόγῳ γε ὄντι, καὶ τῆς θείας εἰκόνος ἐστερημένῳ, μερίξονται τοῦ τῆς οἶκονομίας μυστηρίου τὸν τύπον, καὶ ὁ μὲν τοῦ θανάτου, ὁ δὲ τῆς ἀναστάσεως δείκνυσι τὴν εἰκόνα. Ταὐτὸ δὲ τοῦτο κὰν ταῖς Μωσαϊχαΐς θυσίαις εὑρίσκομεν. Ἔστι γὰρ ἰδεῖν καὶ ἐν ἐκείναις προδιαγραφέντα τοῦ σωτηρίου πάθους τὸν τύπον. ἀλήθειαν; ᾿ δή, ΟΡΘ. Πᾶσα μὲν, ὡς ἔπος εἰπεῖν, ἡ Ιλλαιὰ τύπος αὶ ἐστὶ τῆς Καινῆς. Διά τοι τοῦτο καὶ ὁ θεῖος ᾿Απόστολος διαῤῥήδην λέγει" ε Σκιὰν γὰρ ἔχων ὁ νόμος τῶν μελλόντων ἀγαθῶν" » καὶ πάλιν" « Ταῦτα δὲ πάντα τύποι συνέδαινον ἐκείνοις. » Ἐναργέστατα δὲ τοῦ ἀρχετύπου δείκνυσι τὴν εἰκόνα τὸ πρόδατον τὸ ἐν Αἰγύπτῳ τυθὲν, καὶ ἡ δάμαλις ἡ πυῤῥὰ, ἡ πόῤῥω τῆς παρεμθολῆς καιομένη. Ταύτης καὶ ὁ ᾿Ἀπόστολος ἐν τῇ πρὸς Ἑσραίους Ἐπιστολῇ μνημονεύσας, ἐπήγαγε " «ε Διὸ Ἰησοῦς, ἵνα ἁγιάσῃ διὰ τοῦ ἰδίου αἵματος τὸν λαὺν, ἔξω τῆς πόλεως ἔπαθεν. » ᾿Αλλὰ τούτων μὲν ἐπὶ τοῦ παρόντος οὐδὲν ἐρῶ - ἐκείνης δέ γε τῆς θυσίας μνησθήσομαι, ἃ δύο τράγους ἔχει προσφερομένους, καὶ τὸν μὲν ἕνα θυύἱένον, τὸν δὲ ἕτερον ἀφιέμενον. Τῶν γὰρ δύο τοῦ Σωτῆρος φύσεων οὗτοι προδιαγράφουσ! τὴν εἰκόνα, ὁ μὲν ἀφιέμενος τῆς ἀπαθοῦς θεότητος, ὁ δὲ σφατ- ΕΡΑΝ, Εἶτα οὔ σοι δοκεῖ βλάσφημον τὸ τράγοις τὸν Δεσπότην ἀφομοιοῦν; ΟΡΘ. Τί πλέον ἡγῇ φευκτὸν εἶναι, καὶ μυσαρὸν, ὄφιν, ἣ τράγον: ΕΡΑΝ. Δῆλον ὡς ὄφις ἐστὶ ποὺς πελάζοντας, πολλάκις δὲ πημαίνει καὶ τοὺς αὐδὲν ἀδικήσαντας - ὁ δὲ τῶν ἐδωδίμων καθαρῶν κατὰ τὸν νόμον. ΟΡΘ. Οὐκοῦν ἄκουσον τοῦ Δεσπότου τῷ ὄφει τῷ χαλκῷ τὸ σωτήριον ἀπειχάζοντος πάθος’ ε« Καθὼς ὕψωσε, φησὶν, Μωῦσῇς τὸν ὄφιν ἐν τῇ ἐρήμῳ, οὕτως ᾿ ὑψωθῆναι δεῖ τὸν Υἱὸν τοῦ ἀνθρώπου, ἵνα πᾶς ὁ πιστεύων ἐπ᾽ αὐτῷ μὴ ἀπόληται, ἀλλ᾽ ἔχῃ ζωὴν αἰώνιον. » Εἰ δὲ χαλκοῦς ὅφις τὸν τοῦ προσηλωθέντος σώματος ἐπλήρωσε τύπον, τί δεδράχαμεν ἀπει-. χὸς, τῷ σωτηρίῳ πάθε: παραθέντες τὴν τῶν τράγων θυσίαν :
ERAN. Kai sy ta peri toutou tou typou diēgoumenos, ton Isaak ephēs anadiōnai tę̄ theią phōnę̄. Ouden toinyn apeikos poioumen, tǭ typǭ prosarmozontes tēn alētheian, kai ton Theon Logon peponthenai ORTh. Pollakis ephēn, hōs ouk hoion te tēn eikona panta echein, hosa to archetypon echei. Touto de kanteuthen katamathein eupetes. Ho gar Isaak, kai ho krios, kata men to diaphoron tōn physeōn, tę̄ eikoni symthainousi, kata de to dię̄rēmenon kechōrismenōn tōn hypostaseōn, ouk eti. Theotētos gar hēmeis kai anthrōpotētos toiautēn kēryttomen henōsin, hōs ennoein hen prosōpon adiaireton, kai ton auton Theon te eidenai kai anthrōpon, horōmenon kai aoraton, perigegrammenon kai aperigraphon, kai ta alla de panta, hosa tēs theotētos kai tēs anthrōpotētos hyparchei dēlōtika, tōn prosōpōn tǭ heni prosarmottomen. Epeidē toinyn hoion te ouk ēn en tǭ kriǭ protypōthēnai tēn anathdiōsin, alogǭ ge onti, kai tēs theias eikonos esterēmenǭ, merixontai tou tēs oikonomias mystēriou ton typon, kai ho men tou thanatou, ho de tēs anastaseōs deiknysi tēn eikona. Tauto de touto kan tais Mōsaïchaïs thysiais heuriskomen. Esti gar idein kai en ekeinais prodiagraphenta tou sōtēriou pathous ton typon. alētheian? ᾿ dē, ORTh. Pasa men, hōs epos eipein, hē Illaia typos ai esti tēs Kainēs. Dia toi touto kai ho theios ᾿Apostolos diarrhēdēn legei" e Skian gar echōn ho nomos tōn mellontōn agathōn" » kai palin" « Tauta de panta typoi synedainon ekeinois. » Enargestata de tou archetypou deiknysi tēn eikona to prodaton to en Aigyptǭ tythen, kai hē damalis hē pyrrha, hē porrhō tēs paremtholēs kaiomenē. Tautēs kai ho ᾿Apostolos en tę̄ pros Hesraious Epistolę̄ mnēmoneusas, epēgage " «e Dio Iēsous, hina hagiasę̄ dia tou idiou haimatos ton laun, exō tēs poleōs epathen. » ᾿Alla toutōn men epi tou parontos ouden erō - ekeinēs de ge tēs thysias mnēsthēsomai, ha dyo tragous echei prospheromenous, kai ton men hena thyuienon, ton de heteron aphiemenon. Tōn gar dyo tou Sōtēros physeōn houtoi prodiagraphous! tēn eikona, ho men aphiemenos tēs apathous theotētos, ho de sphat- ERAN, Eita ou soi dokei blasphēmon to tragois ton Despotēn aphomoioun? ORTh. Ti pleon hēgę̄ pheukton einai, kai mysaron, ophin, hē tragon: ERAN. Dēlon hōs ophis esti pous pelazontas, pollakis de pēmainei kai tous auden adikēsantas - ho de tōn edōdimōn katharōn kata ton nomon. ORTh. Oukoun akouson tou Despotou tǭ ophei tǭ chalkǭ to sōtērion apeichazontos pathos’ e« Kathōs hypsōse, phēsin, Mōysę̄s ton ophin en tę̄ erēmǭ, houtōs ᾿ hypsōthēnai dei ton Huion tou anthrōpou, hina pas ho pisteuōn ep᾽ autǭ mē apolētai, all᾽ echę̄ zōēn aiōnion. » Ei de chalkous hophis ton tou prosēlōthentos sōmatos eplērōse typon, ti dedrachamen apei-. chos, tǭ sōtēriǭ pathe: parathentes tēn tōn tragōn thysian :
Eranistes: And you yourself, in telling of this type, said that Isaac came back to life by the divine voice. So we do nothing unreasonable in fitting the truth to the type, and [saying] that God the Word suffered … Orthodoxos: I have often said that the image cannot have everything that the archetype has. And this is easy to learn from this case too. For Isaac and the ram agree with the image as regards the difference of the natures, but no longer as regards the division, in which the hypostases are separated. For we proclaim such a union of Godhead and humanity that we conceive one undivided person, and know the same one as God and man, seen and unseen, circumscribed and uncircumscribed; and all the other things that indicate the Godhead and the humanity we attach to the one person. Since, then, it was not possible for the return to life to be prefigured in the ram, which was irrational and deprived of the divine image, they divide between them the type of the mystery of the dispensation, and one shows the image of the death, the other of the resurrection. And we find this same thing in the Mosaic sacrifices too; for in them too one can see the type of the saving passion sketched out beforehand. … truth? Orthodoxos: The whole Old [Testament], so to speak, is a type of the New. For this reason the divine Apostle says expressly, “For the law, having a shadow of the good things to come,” and again, “Now all these things happened to them as types.” And the lamb sacrificed in Egypt, and the red heifer burned far outside the camp, show the image of the archetype most clearly. The Apostle mentioned this heifer in the Epistle to the Hebrews, and added, “Therefore Jesus also, to sanctify the people through his own blood, suffered outside the city.” But of these I will say nothing for the present; I will mention that sacrifice which has two goats brought forward, one of them sacrificed and the other set free. For these sketch beforehand the image of the two natures of the Saviour: the one set free, that of the impassible Godhead; the one slaughtered, [that of the passible humanity] … Eranistes: Then does it not seem blasphemous to you to liken the Lord to goats? Orthodoxos: Which do you think more to be shunned and loathsome, a snake or a goat? Eranistes: Clearly the snake is … [it bites] those who come near, and often harms even those who have done it no wrong; whereas the [goat] is among the clean animals fit to eat according to the law. Orthodoxos: Then hear the Lord likening the saving passion to the bronze snake: “As Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness,” he says, “so must the Son of Man be lifted up, that everyone who believes in him may not perish but have eternal life.” If a bronze snake fulfilled the type of the body that was nailed, what have we done that is unreasonable in setting the sacrifice of the goats beside the saving passion?
Heb 10:1 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Cor 10:11 (quotation, high confidence) · Exod 12:6 (allusion, high confidence) · Num 19:2 (allusion, high confidence) · Num 19:3 (allusion, high confidence) · Heb 13:12 (quotation, high confidence) · Lev 16:7 (allusion, high confidence) · Lev 16:8 (allusion, high confidence) · Lev 16:9 (allusion, high confidence) · Lev 16:10 (allusion, high confidence) · John 3:14 (quotation, high confidence) · John 3:15 (quotation, high confidence) · Num 21:9 (allusion, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: Orthodoxos argues that the Old Testament types, such as Isaac and the ram and the two goats of the Day of Atonement, divide between them the death and the life of Christ, showing his passible humanity and impassible Godhead.
- Lines have dropped out of the OCR where “…” is printed, including Eranistes’ question that ends “… truth?” and the end of the sentence on the slaughtered goat; bracketed words are supplied for sense. Theodoret’s reading of the two goats of Lev 16 as the two natures of Christ is his own typology, translated as written. Migne’s Latin column read as Greek letters has been removed (logged corrections). Quotations: Heb 10:1; 1 Cor 10:11; Heb 13:12; John 3:14–15. Allusions: Exod 12:3–6; Num 19:2–3; Lev 16:7–10; Num 21:8–9.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (Migne's Latin column read as Greek letters; Migne's Latin column read as Greek letters inside a word): προσαραἱ ἰπ ἀγίοῖς Ὁ μόττομεν → προσαρμόττομεν; ἐν τῷ κριῷ οἱ [16 προτυπωθῆναι → ἐν τῷ κριῷ προτυπωθῆναι.
Topics: Christology, Scripture and canon
Cite (SBL): Theodoret, Eran. 3.12 (PG 83; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-eranistes/3-12). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Translation: Translated by Claude (Opus) from the Greek as printed in Migne PG 83 (archive.org OCR); no public-domain or FOTC English exists, so every section was re-read against the Greek (dialogues 1-2 partly by the translator and partly in a separate review pass).
3.13PG 83
ΕΡΑΝ. "Ὅτι τὸν Κύριον ὁ Ἰωάννης ἀμνὸν προσἡγόρευσεν. καὶ ὁ Ἡσαΐας ὡσαύτως ἁμγὸν καὶ πρόυΡΘ. Ὁ δέ γε μακάριος Παῦλος ἁμαρτίαν αὐτὸν καὶ κατάραν καλεῖ. Τοιγάρτοι, ὡς μὲν κατάρα, τοῦ χαταράτου ὄφεως τὸν τύπον πληροῖ" ὡς δὲ ἁμαρτία, τῆς τῶν τράγων θυσίας δείκνυσι τὴν εἰκόνα. Ὑπὲρ γὰρ ἁμαρτίας, κατὰ τὸν νόμον, οὐκ ἀμνὸς, ἀλλὰ χίμαρος ἐξ αἰγῶν προσεφέρετο. Διά τοι τοῦτο καὶ ὁ Κύριος ἐν τοῖς Εὐαγγελίοις, ἀμνοῖς μὲν τοὺς δικαίους ἀπείχασεν, ἐρέφοις δὲ τοὺς ἁμαρτωλούς. Ἐπειδὴ τοίνυν ἔμελλεν, οὐκ ὑπὲρ δικαίων μόνον, ἀλλὰ καὶ ὑπὲρ ἁμαρτωλῶν, ὑπομένειν τὸ πάθος, εἰκότως δι᾽’ ἀμνῶν καὶ τράγων. προδιαγράφει τὴν οἱκείαν ἱερουργίαν. ΕΡΑΝ. ᾿Αλλὰ τῶν δύο τράγων ὁ τύπος δύο πρόσ«πα παρασκευάζει νοεῖν. Οὐκ οἷόν τ᾽ ἦν ἕν ἑνὶ τράγῳ ἄμφω κχατὰ ταὐτὸν προτυπωθῆναι, καὶ τὸ παθητὸν τῆς ἀνθρωπότητος, καὶ τὸ ἀπαθὲς τῆς θεότητος. ᾿Αναιρεθεὶς γὰρ οὗτος τὴν ζῶσαν οὐκ ἂν ἔδειξε φύσιν. Τούτου δὴ χάριν δύο παρελήφθησαν εἰς τὴν τῶν δύο φύσεων δήλωσιν, Ταὐτὸ δὲ καὶ ἐφ᾽ ἑτέρας θυσίας χα- ΟΡΘ. Ἔνθα ὄρνει, δύο τῶν καθαρῶν ὁ νομοθέτης διαγορεύει προσφέρεσθαι, καὶ τὸν μὲν θύεσθαι, θάτερον δὲ εἰς τὸ τοῦ τυθέντος αἷμα βαφέντα σθαι. Καὶ γὰρ ἐνταῦθα ὁρῶμεν τὸν τῆς θεότητος καὶ ἀνθρωπότητος τύπον, τῆς μὲν θυομένης, τῆς δὲ οἷ- ΕΡΑΝ. Πολλοὺς ἡμῖν προσενήνοχας τύπους. Ἐγὼ δὲ τοὺς αἰνιγματώδεις οὐ προσίεμαι λόγους, ὈὉΡΘ. Καὶ μὴν ὁ θεῖος ᾿Απόστολος καὶ τὰς ἱστορίας τύπους εἶναί φησι, καὶ τὴν Ἄγαρ τύπον τῆς παλαιᾷς Διαθήκης ἐκάλεσε, καὶ τὴν Σάῤῥαν τῇ ἐπουρανίῳ ἀπείχασεν Ἱερουσαλὴμ, καὶ τὸν μὲν Ἰσμαὴλ, «ύπὸν ἔφη τοῦ Ἰσραΐἣλ, τὸν Ἰσαὰκ δὲ, τοῦ νέου λαοῦ, Κατηγόρησον οὖν καὶ τῆς μεγάλης τοῦ Πνεύματος σάλπιγγος, ὅτι πᾶσιν ἢ μιἵν τοὺς αἰνιγματώδεις ΕΡΑΝ, Κἂν μυρίους μοι ἑτέρους προσενέγκῃς λόγους, μερίσαι τὸ πάθος οὐ πείσεις. Ἤκχουσσ γὰρ τοῦ ἀγγέλου πρὸς τὰς περὶ Μαριὰμ εἰρηκότος " « Δεῦτε, βλέπετε ὅπου ἔκειτο ὁ Κύριος.» ΟΡΘ. Τοῦτο καὶ ἡμεῖς εἰώθαμεν δρᾷν. Τοῖς γὰρ (Ο κοινοῖς ὀνόμασι καὶ τὸ μέρος προσαγορεύομεν. Εἰς γὰρ τοὺς τῶν ἱερῶν ἀποστόλων, ἣ προφητῶν, ἢ μαρτύρων εἰσιόντες σηχοὺς, πυνθανόμεθα’ Τίς ὁ κείμενος ἐν τῇ λάρνακι; Οἱ δὲ τὸ ἀληθὲς εἰδότες, ἀποκρινόμενοι λέγουσιν, ἣ τὸν θωμᾶν τυχὸν τεὸν, ἀπόστολον, ἣ τὸν βαπτιστὴν Ἰωάννην, ἢ Στεέφανον͵ τῶν μαρτύρων τὸν πρόμαχον, ἣ ἕτερόν τινα τῶν ἁγίων ὀνομαστὶ λέγοντες, καΐτοι σμικρῶν ἄγαν. ἐνίοτε λειψάνων κειμένων. ᾿Αλλ᾽ οὐδεὶς τῶν κοινῶν τούτων ὀνομάτων ἀκούων, ἃ καὶ τὴν ψυχὴν ὁμοῦ καὶ τὸ σῶμα δηλοῖ, ἐγχαθεΐρχθαι ταῖς θήκαις καὶ τὰς ψυχὰς ὑπολήψεται" ἀλλ᾽ οἷδεν ὡς τὰ σώματα μόνα ταῖς θήκαις, ἣ μικρά γε τῶν σωμάτων ἐγχατάχειται μόρια, Ταὐτὸ δὴ τοῦτο καὶ ὁ ἅγιος ἐκεῖνος πεποίηκεν ἄγγελος, τῷ τοῦ προσώπου ὀνόματι τὸ σῶμα Ὁ προσαγορεύσας.
ERAN. "Hoti ton Kyrion ho Iōannēs amnon prosēgoreusen. kai ho Hēsaïas hōsautōs hamgon kai prouRTh. Ho de ge makarios Paulos hamartian auton kai kataran kalei. Toigartoi, hōs men katara, tou chataratou opheōs ton typon plēroi" hōs de hamartia, tēs tōn tragōn thysias deiknysi tēn eikona. Hyper gar hamartias, kata ton nomon, ouk amnos, alla chimaros ex aigōn prosephereto. Dia toi touto kai ho Kyrios en tois Euangeliois, amnois men tous dikaious apeichasen, erephois de tous hamartōlous. Epeidē toinyn emellen, ouk hyper dikaiōn monon, alla kai hyper hamartōlōn, hypomenein to pathos, eikotōs di᾽’ amnōn kai tragōn. prodiagraphei tēn hoikeian hierourgian. ERAN. ᾿Alla tōn dyo tragōn ho typos dyo pros«pa paraskeuazei noein. Ouk hoion t᾽ ēn hen heni tragǭ amphō kchata tauton protypōthēnai, kai to pathēton tēs anthrōpotētos, kai to apathes tēs theotētos. ᾿Anairetheis gar houtos tēn zōsan ouk an edeixe physin. Toutou dē charin dyo parelēphthēsan eis tēn tōn dyo physeōn dēlōsin, Tauto de kai eph᾽ heteras thysias cha- ORTh. Entha ornei, dyo tōn katharōn ho nomothetēs diagoreuei prospheresthai, kai ton men thyesthai, thateron de eis to tou tythentos haima baphenta sthai. Kai gar entautha horōmen ton tēs theotētos kai anthrōpotētos typon, tēs men thyomenēs, tēs de hoi- ERAN. Pollous hēmin prosenēnochas typous. Egō de tous ainigmatōdeis ou prosiemai logous, HoORTh. Kai mēn ho theios ᾿Apostolos kai tas historias typous einai phēsi, kai tēn Agar typon tēs palaiąs Diathēkēs ekalese, kai tēn Sarrhan tę̄ epouraniǭ apeichasen Hierousalēm, kai ton men Ismaēl, «ypon ephē tou Israïēl, ton Isaak de, tou neou laou, Katēgorēson oun kai tēs megalēs tou Pneumatos salpingos, hoti pasin ē miin tous ainigmatōdeis ERAN, Kan myrious moi heterous prosenenkę̄s logous, merisai to pathos ou peiseis. Ēkchouss gar tou angelou pros tas peri Mariam eirēkotos " « Deute, blepete hopou ekeito ho Kyrios.» ORTh. Touto kai hēmeis eiōthamen drąn. Tois gar (O koinois onomasi kai to meros prosagoreuomen. Eis gar tous tōn hierōn apostolōn, hē prophētōn, ē martyrōn eisiontes sēchous, pynthanometha’ Tis ho keimenos en tę̄ larnaki? Hoi de to alēthes eidotes, apokrinomenoi legousin, hē ton thōman tychon teon, apostolon, hē ton baptistēn Iōannēn, ē Steephanon͵ tōn martyrōn ton promachon, hē heteron tina tōn hagiōn onomasti legontes, kaïtoi smikrōn agan. eniote leipsanōn keimenōn. ᾿All᾽ oudeis tōn koinōn toutōn onomatōn akouōn, ha kai tēn psychēn homou kai to sōma dēloi, enchatheïrchthai tais thēkais kai tas psychas hypolēpsetai" all᾽ hoiden hōs ta sōmata mona tais thēkais, hē mikra ge tōn sōmatōn enchatacheitai moria, Tauto dē touto kai ho hagios ekeinos pepoiēken angelos, tǭ tou prosōpou onomati to sōma Ho prosagoreusas.
Eranistes: Because John called the Lord a lamb, and Isaiah likewise a lamb and a sheep … Orthodoxos: But the blessed Paul calls him sin and curse. Therefore as curse he fulfils the type of the accursed snake, and as sin he shows the image of the sacrifice of the goats. For according to the law, for sin it was not a lamb but a kid of the goats that was offered. For this reason the Lord too in the Gospels likened the righteous to lambs and sinners to kids. Since, then, he was to undergo the passion not for the righteous only but also for sinners, fittingly he sketches beforehand his own sacrifice through lambs and goats. Eranistes: But the type of the two goats leads us to think of two persons. [Orthodoxos:] It was not possible for both to be prefigured at the same time in one goat, the passibility of the humanity and the impassibility of the Godhead. For if it had been killed it would not have shown the living nature. For this reason two were taken to show the two natures. The same may also be seen in another sacrifice … Orthodoxos: Where the lawgiver orders two clean birds to be offered, and one to be sacrificed, and the other to be dipped in the blood of the one sacrificed and [set free]. For here too we see the type of Godhead and humanity, the one sacrificed, the other … Eranistes: You have brought us many types. But I do not accept enigmatic language. Orthodoxos: And yet the divine Apostle says that the histories too are types: he called Hagar a type of the old covenant, and likened Sarah to the heavenly Jerusalem, and said that Ishmael was a type of Israel, and Isaac of the new people. Accuse, then, the great trumpet of the Spirit too, for [setting] enigmatic [words] before us all. Eranistes: Even if you bring me countless other arguments, you will not persuade me to divide the passion. For I have heard the angel saying to the women with Mary, “Come, see where the Lord lay.” Orthodoxos: We too are accustomed to do this; for we call the part by the common names as well. When we enter the shrines of the holy apostles, or prophets, or martyrs, we ask, “Who lies in the coffin?” And those who know the truth answer by naming perhaps Thomas the apostle, or John the Baptist, or Stephen, the first champion of the martyrs, or some other of the saints, although sometimes only very small relics lie there. But no one who hears these common names, which signify soul and body together, will suppose that the souls too are shut up in the caskets; he knows that only the bodies, or small parts of the bodies, lie in the caskets. And this is just what that holy angel did, calling the body by the name of the person.
John 1:29 (allusion, high confidence) · Isa 53:7 (allusion, high confidence) · 2 Cor 5:21 (allusion, high confidence) · Gal 3:13 (allusion, high confidence) · Lev 4:23 (allusion, medium confidence) · Matt 25:32 (allusion, medium confidence) · Matt 25:33 (allusion, medium confidence) · Lev 14:4 (allusion, high confidence) · Lev 14:5 (allusion, high confidence) · Lev 14:6 (allusion, high confidence) · Lev 14:7 (allusion, high confidence) · Gal 4:22 (allusion, high confidence) · Gal 4:24 (allusion, high confidence) · Gal 4:26 (allusion, high confidence) · Matt 28:6 (quotation, high confidence)
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Summary: Orthodoxos defends the typology of lambs, goats, and birds for Christ’s two natures, and explains the angel’s “where the Lord lay” by the custom of naming a saint’s relics by the saint’s name.
- Lines have dropped out of the OCR where “…” is printed, including the end of Eranistes’ first speech and the speaker label before “It was not possible”; bracketed words are supplied for sense. Theodoret’s typology (the two goats and the two birds as Christ’s two natures; Ishmael as Israel and Isaac as the new people) and his reference to the veneration of relics in the shrines of saints are translated as written. Migne’s Latin column and marginal references read as Greek letters have been removed (logged corrections); “perhaps” renders a garbled phrase. Quotations: Matt 28:6. Allusions: John 1:29; Isa 53:7; 2 Cor 5:21; Gal 3:13; Lev 4:23; Matt 25:32–33; Lev 14:4–7; Gal 4:22–26.
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- Digital text corrected (Migne's Latin column read as Greek letters; Migne's Latin column read as Greek letters inside a word; marginal Scripture references read as Greek letters): χίθα ΐπὶ ἰδηΐθτη βδοῦὶ ἤο υτἢ ΘΟΠΙΠΙΘΙΊΟΓΔΌΟ, ἰῃ ἀυο ἀυο οἴ 651. ὅ. » βαρος → χίμαρος; ἢ ἰυγ. Ιάδσο οἱ Ὠοιηΐηιι8 ἰῃ ἘνΔηρ6]118 ἀσπῖδ αι] ἀ6 πὶ → ; ἤ. δ μον, χυ!, 1 5666. → ; ἀπο δὰ ἀδη). Ατι → ; Ὠοἐπεὶ γα, (δὴ ἐτ. Βα. Βοπν. εἰ Πὶρ8. ργβιρἴθπι πρὸς τοῦτος. → .
Topics: Christology, Scripture and canon
Cite (SBL): Theodoret, Eran. 3.13 (PG 83; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-eranistes/3-13). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Translation: Translated by Claude (Opus) from the Greek as printed in Migne PG 83 (archive.org OCR); no public-domain or FOTC English exists, so every section was re-read against the Greek (dialogues 1-2 partly by the translator and partly in a separate review pass).
3.14PG 83
ΕΡΑΝ. Καὶ πόθεν δείξεις, ὡς περὶ τοῦ Δεσποτικοῦ σώματος ταῖς γυναιξὶν ὁ ἄγγελος εἴρηκε, ΟΡΘ. Πρῶτον μὲν αὐτὸς ὁ τάφος ἀπόχρη τὸ ζητούμενον λῦσαι. Οὐδὲ γὰρ ψυχὴ παραδίδοται τάφῳ, ἥπου γε θεότης ἡ ἀπερίγραφος φύσις " τοῖς γὰρ σώμασιν οἱ τάφο! κατασκευάζονται, "Ἔπειτα δὲ καὶ ἡ θεία τοῦτο σαφῶς διδάσκει Γραφή. Ὃ γὰρ δὴ θεσπέσιος Ματθαῖος τοῦτον ἱστορεῖ τὸν τρόπον" θ. « Ὄψιας γενομένης, ηλθεν ἄνθρωπος πλούσιος ἀπὸ ἃ ᾿Αριμαθίας τοὔνομα Ἰωσὴφ, ὃς καὶ αὐτὸς ἐμαθήτευσε τῷ Ἰησοῦ. Οὗτος προσελθὼν τῷ Πιλάτῳ, ἡτήσατο τὸ σῶμα τοῦ Ἰησοῦ. Τότε ὁ Πιλάτος ἐχέλευσεν ἀποδοθῆναι τὸ σῶμα. Καὶ λαδὼν τὸ σῶμα ὁ Ἰωσὴφ, ἐνετύλιξεν αὐτὸ σινδόνι καθαρᾷ, καὶ ἔθηκεν αὐτὸ ἐν τῷ καινῷ αὐτοῦ μνημείῳ, ὃ ἐλατόμησεν ἐν τῇ πέτρᾳ, καὶ προσχυλίσας λίθον μέγαν τῇ θύρᾳ τοῦ μνημείου, ἀπῆλθε. » Βλέπε ποσάκις τοῦ σώματος ἐμνημόνευσεν, ἵνα τῶν τὴν θεότητα βλασφημούντῶν ἐμφράξῃ τὰ στόματα. Τοῦτο καὶ ὁ τρισμαχάριος πεποίηκε Μάρκος ἐρῶ δὲ καὶ ἅπερ οὗτος ἱστόρησεν. « Ὀψίας γὰρ, φησὶ, γενομένης, ἐπεὶ ἣν Παρασκευὴ, ὅ ἔστι προσάθύατον, ἐλθὼν Ἰωσὴφ ὁ ἀπὸ ᾿Αριμαθίας εὐσχήμων βουλευτὴς, ὅς καὶ αὐτὸς ἣν προσδεχόμενος τὴν βασιλείαν τοῦ Θεοῦ, τολμήσας εἰσῆλθε πρὸς Πιλάτον, καὶ ἡτήσατο τὸ σῶμα τοῦ Ἰησοῦ. Ὁ δὲ Πιλάτος ἐθαύμασεν εἰ ἤδη τέθνηκε, καὶ προσκαλεσάμενος τὸν χεντυρίωνα, ἐπηρώτησεν εἰ πάλαι ἀπἔθανε" καὶ γνοὺς ἀπὸ τοῦ χεντυρίωνος, ἐδωρήσατο τὸ σωμα τῷ Ἰωσήφ" καὶ ἀγοράσας σινδόνα, καὶ καθελὼν αὐτὸ ἐνείλησεν τῇ σινδόνι, καὶ κατέθηκεν ἐν δνημείῳ, »καὶ τὰ ἑξῆς. θΘαύμασον τοίνυν τὴν συμφωνίαν ὁρῶν, καὶ συμφώνως καὶ συνεχῶς φερόμενον τὸ τοῦ σώματος ὄνομα. Καὶ ὁ πανεύφημος δὲ Λουκᾶς παραπλησίως ἰστόρηχεν, ὡς τὸ σῶμα ἤἥτησεν ὁ Ἰωσὴφ, καὶ λαδὼν τῶν νομιζομένων ἠξίωσεν. Ὁ δὲ θειότατος Ἰωάνψὴης καὶ ἕτερα προσιστόρησεν. ε« ρώτησε γὰρ τὸν Πιλάτον Ἰωσὴφ ὁ ἀπὸ ᾿Αριμαθίας, ὧν μαθητὴς τοῦ Ἰησοῦ, κεκρυμμένος δὲ διὰ τὸν φόθον τῶν Ἰουδαίων, ἵνα ὄρῃ.τὸ σώμα τοῦ Ἰησοῦ, καὶ ἐπέτρεψεν ὁ Πιλάτος. ἾΝλθεν οὖν, καὶ ἦρε τὸ σῶμα τοῦ Ἰησοῦ. Ἦλθε δὲ καὶ Νικόδημος, ὁ ἐλθὼν πρὸς τὸν Ἰησοῦν νυκτὸς τὸ πρότερον (θὅ), φέρων μίγμα σμύρνης καὶ ἀλόης λίτρας ρ΄. "Ελαδον οὖν τὸ σῶμα τοῦ Ἰησοῦ, καὶ ἐνείλησαν αὐτὸ ὀθονίοις μετὰ τῶν ἀρωμάτων, καθώς ἐστιν ἔθος τοῖς Ἰουδαίοις ἐνταφιάζειν. Ἦν δὲ ἐν τῷ τόπῳ ὅπου ἐσταυρώθη, κῆπος, καὶ ἐν τῷ κήπῳ μνημεῖον καινὸν, ἐν ᾧ οὐδέπω οὐδεὶς ἐτέθη. Ἐκεῖ οὖν διὰ τὴν παρασκευὴν τῶν Ἰουδαίων, ὅτι ἐγγὺς ἣν τὸ μνημεῖον, ἔθηκαν τὸν Ἰησοῦν. » “Ὅρα τοίνυν ποσάκις τοῦ σώματος μνημονεύσας, καὶ δείξας ὡς τοῦτο τῷ σταυρῷ προσηλώθη, καὶ τοῦτο ἤτησεν τὸν Πιλάτον ὁ Ἰωσὴφ, καὶ τοῦτο καθεῖλεν ἀπὸ τοῦ ξύλου, καὶ τοῦτο τοῖς ὀθονίοις μετὰ τῆς σμύρνης καὶ τῇς ἀλόης ἐνεΐλησᾶν, τότε τὸ τοῦ προσώπου τέθεικεν ὄνομα, καὶ τὸν Ἰησοῦν εἴρηκεν ἐν μνημείῳ τεθῆναι. Τούτου δὴ ἕνεκα καὶ ὁ ἄγγελος ἔφη " «ε Δεῦτε, βλέπετο ὅπου ἔκειτο ὁ Κύριος, ν» ἀπὸ πῆς χοινῆής προσηγορίας τὸ σῶμα καλέσας. Οὕτω γὰρ καὶ ἡμεῖς λέγειν εἰώθαμεν. Ἐν τῷδε τῷ τόπῳ ὁ δεῖνα ἐτάφη, καὶ οὔ φαμεν, τὸ σῶμα τοῦ δεῖνος, ἀλλὰ, ὁ δεῖνα. Πᾶς δὲ σωφρονῶν οἷδεν ὡς περὶ τοῦ σώυατος λέγομεν, Οὕτω δὲ λέγειν σύνηθες τῇ θείᾳ Γραφῇ" « ᾿Απέθανε γὰρ, φησὶν, ᾿Ααρὼν, καὶ ἔθαψαν αὐτὸν ᾿ Ὧρ τῷ ὄρει» καί" « ᾿Απέθανε Σαμουὴλ, καὶ ἔθαψαν αὑτὸν ἐν 'λρμαθέμ καὶ μυρία τοιαῦτα.» Τοῦτο τὸ ἔθος τετήρηκεν ὁ θεῖος ᾿Απόστολος, τοῦ Δεσποτικοῦ μνημονεύσας θανάτου. « Παρέδωκα γὰρ, φησὶν, ὑμῖν ἐν πρώτοις, ὃ καὶ παρέλαδον, ὅτι “Χριστὸς ἀπέθανεν ὑπὲρ τῶν ἁμαρτιῶν ἡμῶν κατὰ τὰς Γραφὰς καὶ ὅτι ἐτάφη, καὶ ὅτι ἐγήγερται τῇ τρίτῃ ἡμέρᾳ κατὰ τὰς Γραφὰς,» καὶ τὰ ἑξῆς.
ERAN. Kai pothen deixeis, hōs peri tou Despotikou sōmatos tais gynaixin ho angelos eirēke, ORTh. Prōton men autos ho taphos apochrē to zētoumenon lysai. Oude gar psychē paradidotai taphǭ, hēpou ge theotēs hē aperigraphos physis " tois gar sōmasin hoi tapho! kataskeuazontai, "Epeita de kai hē theia touto saphōs didaskei Graphē. Ho gar dē thespesios Matthaios touton historei ton tropon" th. « Opsias genomenēs, ēlthen anthrōpos plousios apo ha ᾿Arimathias tounoma Iōsēph, hos kai autos emathēteuse tǭ Iēsou. Houtos proselthōn tǭ Pilatǭ, hētēsato to sōma tou Iēsou. Tote ho Pilatos echeleusen apodothēnai to sōma. Kai ladōn to sōma ho Iōsēph, enetylixen auto sindoni katharą, kai ethēken auto en tǭ kainǭ autou mnēmeiǭ, ho elatomēsen en tę̄ petrą, kai proschylisas lithon megan tę̄ thyrą tou mnēmeiou, apēlthe. » Blepe posakis tou sōmatos emnēmoneusen, hina tōn tēn theotēta blasphēmountōn emphraxę̄ ta stomata. Touto kai ho trismacharios pepoiēke Markos erō de kai haper houtos historēsen. « Opsias gar, phēsi, genomenēs, epei hēn Paraskeuē, ho esti prosathyaton, elthōn Iōsēph ho apo ᾿Arimathias euschēmōn bouleutēs, hos kai autos hēn prosdechomenos tēn basileian tou Theou, tolmēsas eisēlthe pros Pilaton, kai hētēsato to sōma tou Iēsou. Ho de Pilatos ethaumasen ei ēdē tethnēke, kai proskalesamenos ton chentyriōna, epērōtēsen ei palai apethane" kai gnous apo tou chentyriōnos, edōrēsato to sōma tǭ Iōsēph" kai agorasas sindona, kai kathelōn auto eneilēsen tę̄ sindoni, kai katethēken en dnēmeiǭ, »kai ta hexēs. thThaumason toinyn tēn symphōnian horōn, kai symphōnōs kai synechōs pheromenon to tou sōmatos onoma. Kai ho paneuphēmos de Loukas paraplēsiōs istorēchen, hōs to sōma hēētēsen ho Iōsēph, kai ladōn tōn nomizomenōn ēxiōsen. Ho de theiotatos Iōanpsēēs kai hetera prosistorēsen. e« rōtēse gar ton Pilaton Iōsēph ho apo ᾿Arimathias, hōn mathētēs tou Iēsou, kekrymmenos de dia ton phothon tōn Ioudaiōn, hina orę̄.to sōma tou Iēsou, kai epetrepsen ho Pilatos. INlthen oun, kai ēre to sōma tou Iēsou. Ēlthe de kai Nikodēmos, ho elthōn pros ton Iēsoun nyktos to proteron (tho), pherōn migma smyrnēs kai aloēs litras r΄. "Eladon oun to sōma tou Iēsou, kai eneilēsan auto othoniois meta tōn arōmatōn, kathōs estin ethos tois Ioudaiois entaphiazein. Ēn de en tǭ topǭ hopou estaurōthē, kēpos, kai en tǭ kēpǭ mnēmeion kainon, en hǭ oudepō oudeis etethē. Ekei oun dia tēn paraskeuēn tōn Ioudaiōn, hoti engys hēn to mnēmeion, ethēkan ton Iēsoun. » “Hora toinyn posakis tou sōmatos mnēmoneusas, kai deixas hōs touto tǭ staurǭ prosēlōthē, kai touto ētēsen ton Pilaton ho Iōsēph, kai touto katheilen apo tou xylou, kai touto tois othoniois meta tēs smyrnēs kai tę̄s aloēs eneïlēsan, tote to tou prosōpou tetheiken onoma, kai ton Iēsoun eirēken en mnēmeiǭ tethēnai. Toutou dē heneka kai ho angelos ephē " «e Deute, blepeto hopou ekeito ho Kyrios, n» apo pēs choinēēs prosēgorias to sōma kalesas. Houtō gar kai hēmeis legein eiōthamen. En tǭde tǭ topǭ ho deina etaphē, kai ou phamen, to sōma tou deinos, alla, ho deina. Pas de sōphronōn hoiden hōs peri tou sōyatos legomen, Houtō de legein synēthes tę̄ theią Graphę̄" « ᾿Apethane gar, phēsin, ᾿Aarōn, kai ethapsan auton ᾿ Hōr tǭ orei» kai" « ᾿Apethane Samouēl, kai ethapsan hauton en 'lrmathem kai myria toiauta.» Touto to ethos tetērēken ho theios ᾿Apostolos, tou Despotikou mnēmoneusas thanatou. « Paredōka gar, phēsin, hymin en prōtois, ho kai pareladon, hoti “Christos apethanen hyper tōn hamartiōn hēmōn kata tas Graphas kai hoti etaphē, kai hoti egēgertai tę̄ tritę̄ hēmerą kata tas Graphas,» kai ta hexēs.
Eranistes: And from where will you show that the angel spoke to the women about the Lord’s body? Orthodoxos: First, the tomb itself is enough to settle the question. For not even a soul is handed over to a tomb, much less the Godhead, the uncircumscribed nature; tombs are made for bodies. Then the divine Scripture too teaches this clearly. For the inspired Matthew relates it in this way: “When evening had come, there came a rich man from Arimathea, named Joseph, who himself had also become a disciple of Jesus. He went to Pilate and asked for the body of Jesus. Then Pilate ordered the body to be given up. And Joseph took the body, wrapped it in a clean linen cloth, and laid it in his own new tomb, which he had hewn in the rock; and he rolled a great stone to the door of the tomb and went away.” See how many times he mentioned the body, to stop the mouths of those who blaspheme the Godhead. The thrice-blessed Mark did the same; I will quote what he related as well. “When evening had come,” he says, “since it was the day of Preparation, that is, the day before the Sabbath, Joseph of Arimathea, a respected member of the council, who was himself also waiting for the kingdom of God, came and went in boldly to Pilate and asked for the body of Jesus. Pilate wondered whether he was already dead; and summoning the centurion, he asked him whether he had been dead long. And when he learned it from the centurion, he granted the body to Joseph. And he bought a linen cloth, and taking him down, he wrapped him in the linen cloth and laid him in a tomb,” and what follows. Marvel, then, as you see the agreement, and the word “body” used consistently and continually. And the all-praised Luke too related in the same way that Joseph asked for the body, and having taken it, honored it with the customary rites. And the most divine John related further details as well: “Joseph of Arimathea, who was a disciple of Jesus, but secretly for fear of the Jews, asked Pilate that he might take away the body of Jesus; and Pilate gave him leave. So he came and took away the body of Jesus. Nicodemus also came, who had first come to Jesus by night, bringing a mixture of myrrh and aloes, about a hundred pounds. So they took the body of Jesus and bound it in linen cloths with the spices, as is the burial custom of the Jews. Now in the place where he was crucified there was a garden, and in the garden a new tomb in which no one had yet been laid. So because of the Jewish day of Preparation, since the tomb was close at hand, they laid Jesus there.” See, then, how many times he mentioned the body, and showed that this was nailed to the cross, and this Joseph asked of Pilate, and this he took down from the wood, and this they bound in the linen cloths with the myrrh and the aloes; and then he set down the name of the person, and said that Jesus was laid in the tomb. For this reason the angel too said, “Come, see where the Lord lay,” calling the body by the common name. For so we too are accustomed to speak: “In this place so-and-so was buried”; and we do not say “the body of so-and-so,” but “so-and-so.” But everyone of sound mind knows that we are speaking of the body. And it is customary for the divine Scripture to speak in this way: “Aaron died,” it says, “and they buried him on Mount Hor”; and, “Samuel died, and they buried him in Armathaim”; and countless such things. The divine Apostle kept this custom when he mentioned the Lord’s death: “For I delivered to you,” he says, “as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, and that he was buried, and that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures,” and what follows.
Matt 27:57 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 27:58 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 27:59 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 27:60 (quotation, high confidence) · Mark 15:42 (quotation, high confidence) · Mark 15:43 (quotation, high confidence) · Mark 15:44 (quotation, high confidence) · Mark 15:45 (quotation, high confidence) · Mark 15:46 (quotation, high confidence) · Luke 23:52 (allusion, high confidence) · Luke 23:53 (allusion, high confidence) · John 19:38 (quotation, high confidence) · John 19:39 (quotation, high confidence) · John 19:40 (quotation, high confidence) · John 19:41 (quotation, high confidence) · John 19:42 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 28:6 (quotation, high confidence) · Num 20:28 (quotation, medium confidence) · Deut 10:6 (quotation, medium confidence) · 1 Sam 25:1 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Cor 15:3 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Cor 15:4 (quotation, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: Orthodoxos shows from the four Gospel burial accounts that the body of Jesus was laid in the tomb, so that the angel’s “where the Lord lay” names the body by the name of the person, as Scripture often does.
- Migne’s Latin column and marginal references read as Greek letters have been removed (logged corrections). “Armathaim” is the LXX name of Samuel’s Ramah. Quotations: Matt 27:57–60; Mark 15:42–46; John 19:38–42; Matt 28:6; Num 20:28 with Deut 10:6 (Aaron’s death and burial, worded freely); 1 Sam 25:1 (LXX); 1 Cor 15:3–4. Allusion: Luke 23:50–53.
Notes on the original text
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Topics: Christology
Cite (SBL): Theodoret, Eran. 3.14 (PG 83; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-eranistes/3-14). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Translation: Translated by Claude (Opus) from the Greek as printed in Migne PG 83 (archive.org OCR); no public-domain or FOTC English exists, so every section was re-read against the Greek (dialogues 1-2 partly by the translator and partly in a separate review pass).
3.15PG 83
ΕΡΑΝ. Ἐν οἷς ἀνέγνως ἀρτίως, οὐ σώματος ἐμνημόνευσεν ὁ ᾿Απόστολος, ἀλλὰ «οὔ πάντων ἡμῶν Σωτῆρος Χριστοῦ. Κατὰ σαυτοῦ τοίνυν τὴν μαρνυραν παρῆγαγες, καὶ σαυτὸν τοῖς σοῖς ἔδαλες βέλεσιν, ΟΡΘ. Ἐπελήσθης, ὡς ἔοικεν, ὅτι τάχιστα τῶν μακρῶν ἐχείνων ὧν διεξῆλθον λόγων, δεικνὺς ὅτι πολλάκις τοῖς τῶν προσώπων ὀνόμασι καὶ τὸ σῶμα προσαγορεύουσι. Ταὐτὸ δὲ τοῦτο καὶ νῦν δέδρακεν ὁ θεῖος ᾿Απόστολος, καὶ τοῦτο αὐτόθεν ῥάδιον διαγνῶναι. Σκοπήσωμεν δὲ ὡδί. Οὗ δὴ χάριν ταῦτα γέγραφε Κορινθίοις ὁ θεσπέσιος οὗτος ἀνήρ; ΕΡΑΝ. Τινὲς αὐτοὺς ἐξηπάτησαν, ὡς οὐκ ἔστι σὼμάτων ἀνάστασις. Τοῦτο τοίνυν μαθὼν ὁ τῆς οἶκουμένης διδάσκαλος, τοὺς περὶ τῆς τῶν σωμάτων ἄναστάσεως αὐτοῖς προσενήνοχε λόγους. ΟΡΘ. Καὶ τί δήποτε, δεῖξαι βουλόμενος τὴν τῶν σωμάτων ἀνάστασιν, τὴν Δεσποτικὴν ἀνάστασιν εἰς μέσον παρήγαγεν; ΕΡΑΝ. Ὡς ἱκανὴν δηλῶσαι τὴν πάντων ἡμῶν ἀνάστασιν. ΟΡΘ. Τί γὰρ ἐοικὸς ἔχει τῷ θανάτῳ τῶν ἄλλων, ἵνα τῇ ἀναστάσει τεχμηριώσῃ τὴν πάντων ἀνά- ΕΡΔΝ. Τούτου χάριν ἐνηνθρώπησεν ὁ «μονογενὴς Υἱὸς τοῦ Θεοῦ, καὶ πέπονθε, καὶ θανάτου πεῖραν ἕλαδεν, ἵνα καταλύσῃ τὸν θάνατον. ᾿Αναστάς τοιγαροὖν, διὰ τῆς οἰκείας ἀναστάσεως κηρύττει τὴν πάντων ἀνθρώπων ἀνάστασιν. ΟΡΘ. Καὶ τίς ἂν πιστεύσειεν, ἀνάστασιν ἀκούων εοῦ, ταύτῃ παραπλησίως καὶ τὴν πάντων ἀνθρώπων ἀνάστασιν ἔσεσθαι; Οὐκ ἐᾷ γὰρ πιστεύειν τῷ λόγῳ τῆς ἀναστάσεως τῶν φύσεων τὸ ἀνόμοιον. Ὁ μὲν γὰο Θεὸς, οἱ δὲ, ἄνθρωποι " πλεΐστον δὲ ὄσον Θεὸν Ὁ καὶ ἀνθρώπων τὸ μέσον" οἱ μὲν γὰρ θνητοὶ, καὶ ἐπίχῃηροι, καὶ χόρτῳ καὶ ἄνθει ἀπειχασμένοι" ὁ δὲ ΕΡΑΝ. ᾿Αλλὰ σῶμα εἶχεν ἐνανθρωπήσας ὁ Θεὸς Λόγος, καὶ διὰ τούτου τὴν πρὸς τοὺς ἀνθρώπϑυς ΟΡΘ. Τοῦ σώματος οὖν ἄρα ὅλως, τό τε πάθος, καὶ ὁ θάνατος, καὶ ἣ ἀνάστασις, καὶ τοῦτο δεικνὺς ἐτέρωθεν ὁ θεῖος ᾿Απόστολος, ὑπισχνεῖται πᾶσι τὴν ἀναδίωσιν, καὶ τοῖς τῇ μὲν τοῦ Σωτῆρος ἀναστάσει πιστεύουσι, τὴν δὲ κοινὴν πάντων ἀνάστασιν μῦθον ὑπολαμθάνουσι, κέκραγε λέγων“ «ε Εἰ δὲ Χριστὸς κηρύσσεται ὅτι ἐκ νεκρῶν ἐγήγερται, πῶς λέγουσί τινες ἐν ὑμῖν, ὅτι ἀνάστασις νεχοῶν οὐκ ἔστιν; δὲ ἀνάστασις νεκρῶν οὐκ ἔστιν, οὐδὲ Χριστὸς ἐγήςγερται" εἰ δὲ Χριστὸς οὐκ ἐγήγερτα!:, ματαία ἡ πίστὶς ὑμῶν, ἔτι ἐστὲ ἐν ταῖς ἁμαρτίαις ὑμῶν. ») Καὶ ἀπὸ μὲν τοῦ γεγενημένου, τὸ ἐσόμενον βεόαιοῖ" ἀπὸ δὲ τοῦ ἀπιστουμένον, ἐχδάλλει τὸ πιστευόμενον. Εἰ γὰρ ἐκεῖνο, φησὶν, ὑμῖν ἀδύνατον καταφαίνεται, καὶ τοῦτο δήπου ψευδές. Εἰ δὲ τοῦτό γε ἀληθὲς καὶ κιστὸν εἶναι δοκεῖ, κἀκεῖνο ὡσαύτως δοκείτω εἶναι πιστόν. Σώματος γὰρ ἀνάστασις κἀνταῦθα κηρύττεται, καὶ ἀπαρχὴ τοῦτό γε ἐχείνων προσαγορεύεται. Τοῦτο γὰρ μετὰ τοὺς πάλαι πολλοὺς συλλογισμοὺς ἀποφαντικῶς εἴρηκεν. ε Νυνὶ δὲ Χριστὸς ἐκ νεκρῶν ἐγήγερται, ἀπαρχὴ τῶν κεκοιμημένων ἐγένετο. Ἐπειδὴ γὰρ δι᾽ ἀνθρώπου ὁ θάνατος, καὶ δι᾽ ἀνθρώπου ἀνάστασις νεκρῶν. Ὥσπερ γὰρὲν τῷ ᾿Αδὰμ πάντες ἀποθνήσκουσιν, οὕτω καὶ ἐν τῷ Χριστῷ πᾶντες ζωοποιηθήσονται. » Καὶ οὐ μόνον τὸν περὶ τῆς ἀναστάσεως ἑἐδεδαίωσε λόγον, ἀλλὰ καὶ πὸ τῆς οἶχυνομίας μυστήριον ἀπεκάλυψε, Ταύτῃ τοι καὶ ἄνθρωπὸν τὸν Χριστὸν προσηγόρευσεν, ἵνα δείξῃ τὴν θεραπείαν τῇ νόσῳ κατάλληλον.
ERAN. En hois anegnōs artiōs, ou sōmatos emnēmoneusen ho ᾿Apostolos, alla «ou pantōn hēmōn Sōtēros Christou. Kata sautou toinyn tēn marnyran parēgages, kai sauton tois sois edales belesin, ORTh. Epelēsthēs, hōs eoiken, hoti tachista tōn makrōn echeinōn hōn diexēlthon logōn, deiknys hoti pollakis tois tōn prosōpōn onomasi kai to sōma prosagoreuousi. Tauto de touto kai nyn dedraken ho theios ᾿Apostolos, kai touto autothen rhadion diagnōnai. Skopēsōmen de hōdi. Hou dē charin tauta gegraphe Korinthiois ho thespesios houtos anēr? ERAN. Tines autous exēpatēsan, hōs ouk esti sōmatōn anastasis. Touto toinyn mathōn ho tēs oikoumenēs didaskalos, tous peri tēs tōn sōmatōn anastaseōs autois prosenēnoche logous. ORTh. Kai ti dēpote, deixai boulomenos tēn tōn sōmatōn anastasin, tēn Despotikēn anastasin eis meson parēgagen? ERAN. Hōs hikanēn dēlōsai tēn pantōn hēmōn anastasin. ORTh. Ti gar eoikos echei tǭ thanatǭ tōn allōn, hina tę̄ anastasei techmēriōsę̄ tēn pantōn ana- ERDN. Toutou charin enēnthrōpēsen ho «monogenēs Huios tou Theou, kai peponthe, kai thanatou peiran heladen, hina katalysę̄ ton thanaton. ᾿Anastas toigaroun, dia tēs oikeias anastaseōs kēryttei tēn pantōn anthrōpōn anastasin. ORTh. Kai tis an pisteuseien, anastasin akouōn eou, tautę̄ paraplēsiōs kai tēn pantōn anthrōpōn anastasin esesthai? Ouk eą gar pisteuein tǭ logǭ tēs anastaseōs tōn physeōn to anomoion. Ho men gao Theos, hoi de, anthrōpoi " pleïston de oson Theon Ho kai anthrōpōn to meson" hoi men gar thnētoi, kai epichę̄ēroi, kai chortǭ kai anthei apeichasmenoi" ho de ERAN. ᾿Alla sōma eichen enanthrōpēsas ho Theos Logos, kai dia toutou tēn pros tous anthrōpϑys ORTh. Tou sōmatos oun ara holōs, to te pathos, kai ho thanatos, kai hē anastasis, kai touto deiknys eterōthen ho theios ᾿Apostolos, hypischneitai pasi tēn anadiōsin, kai tois tę̄ men tou Sōtēros anastasei pisteuousi, tēn de koinēn pantōn anastasin mython hypolamthanousi, kekrage legōn“ «e Ei de Christos kēryssetai hoti ek nekrōn egēgertai, pōs legousi tines en hymin, hoti anastasis nechoōn ouk estin? de anastasis nekrōn ouk estin, oude Christos egēsgertai" ei de Christos ouk egēgerta!:, mataia hē pistis hymōn, eti este en tais hamartiais hymōn. ») Kai apo men tou gegenēmenou, to esomenon beoaioi" apo de tou apistoumenon, echdallei to pisteuomenon. Ei gar ekeino, phēsin, hymin adynaton kataphainetai, kai touto dēpou pseudes. Ei de touto ge alēthes kai kiston einai dokei, kakeino hōsautōs dokeitō einai piston. Sōmatos gar anastasis kantautha kēryttetai, kai aparchē touto ge echeinōn prosagoreuetai. Touto gar meta tous palai pollous syllogismous apophantikōs eirēken. e Nyni de Christos ek nekrōn egēgertai, aparchē tōn kekoimēmenōn egeneto. Epeidē gar di᾽ anthrōpou ho thanatos, kai di᾽ anthrōpou anastasis nekrōn. Hōsper garen tǭ ᾿Adam pantes apothnēskousin, houtō kai en tǭ Christǭ pantes zōopoiēthēsontai. » Kai ou monon ton peri tēs anastaseōs heededaiōse logon, alla kai po tēs oichynomias mystērion apekalypse, Tautę̄ toi kai anthrōpon ton Christon prosēgoreusen, hina deixę̄ tēn therapeian tę̄ nosǭ katallēlon.
Eranistes: In what you have just read the Apostle did not mention a body, but Christ, the Saviour of us all. So you have brought the testimony against yourself, and struck yourself with your own arrows. Orthodoxos: It seems you have very quickly forgotten those long arguments I went through, showing that people often call the body by the names of persons. The divine Apostle has done the same thing here too, and it is easy to recognize this from the passage itself. Let us consider it this way. Why did this inspired man write these things to the Corinthians? Eranistes: Some had deceived them into thinking that there is no resurrection of bodies. Having learned this, the teacher of the world brought them the arguments about the resurrection of bodies. Orthodoxos: And why, wishing to show the resurrection of bodies, did he bring forward the Lord’s resurrection? Eranistes: As sufficient to show the resurrection of us all. Orthodoxos: What likeness does it have to the death of the others, that he should prove the resurrection of all by its resurrection? Eranistes: For this reason the only-begotten Son of God became man, and suffered, and experienced death: to destroy death. Having risen, then, he proclaims through his own resurrection the resurrection of all human beings. Orthodoxos: And who would believe, on hearing of the resurrection of God, that the resurrection of all human beings will be like it? The unlikeness of the natures does not allow belief in the argument for the resurrection. For he is God, and they are human beings; and the distance between God and human beings is immense. They are mortal and perishable, and likened to grass and flower; but he … Eranistes: But God the Word, having become man, had a body, and through this [had kinship] with human beings … Orthodoxos: To the body, then, belong altogether the passion, and the death, and the resurrection. And the divine Apostle, showing this from another side, promises return to life to all; and to those who believe in the Saviour’s resurrection but suppose the common resurrection of all to be a myth, he cries out: “Now if Christ is proclaimed as raised from the dead, how do some among you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? But if there is no resurrection of the dead, then Christ has not been raised; and if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins.” And from what has happened he confirms what will be; and from what is disbelieved he refutes what is believed. For if that, he means, seems impossible to you, this too is surely false; but if this seems true and credible, let that likewise seem credible. For here too the resurrection of a body is proclaimed, and this is called the firstfruits of those. For after his many earlier arguments he said this as a declaration: “But now Christ has been raised from the dead; he became the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. For since through a man came death, through a man also came the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive.” And he not only confirmed the argument about the resurrection, but also revealed the mystery of the dispensation. For this reason he also called Christ man, to show that the cure suits the disease.
1 Cor 15:12 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Cor 15:13 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Cor 15:17 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Cor 15:20 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Cor 15:21 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Cor 15:22 (quotation, high confidence) · Isa 40:6 (allusion, medium confidence) · Heb 2:14 (allusion, low confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: Orthodoxos argues that Paul in 1 Cor 15 proves the resurrection of human bodies from Christ’s resurrection, which therefore is the resurrection of his body, the firstfruits of ours.
- Lines have dropped out of the OCR where “…” is printed, including the end of Orthodoxos’ contrast between God and mortals and the end of Eranistes’ reply about the body; bracketed words are supplied for sense. Migne’s marginal references and Latin column read as Greek letters have been removed (logged corrections). Quotations: 1 Cor 15:12–13, 17; 1 Cor 15:20–22. Allusions: Isa 40:6–7; Heb 2:14.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (Migne's Latin column read as Greek letters; marginal Scripture references read as Greek letters): 30} (οὐ. χυ, ὅ, 4. → ; ταοι[ο ποι ΓΔ] ΠῚ δα βιὰ πὶ, ο]ατα ἀϊχίε: « 8 → .
Topics: Christology, Eschatology
Cite (SBL): Theodoret, Eran. 3.15 (PG 83; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-eranistes/3-15). (abbreviation not yet checked)
Permanent link: https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-eranistes/3-15
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Translation: Translated by Claude (Opus) from the Greek as printed in Migne PG 83 (archive.org OCR); no public-domain or FOTC English exists, so every section was re-read against the Greek (dialogues 1-2 partly by the translator and partly in a separate review pass).
3.16PG 83
ΕΡΑΝ. Ἄνθρωπος οὖν μόνον ἐστὶν ὁ Χριστός - ΘΡΘ. !Απαγε᾽ τοὐναντίον γὰρ πολλάκις εἰρήκαμεν, ὡς οὐ μόνον ἄνθρωπός ἐστιν, ἀλλὰ καὶ Θεὸς προαιώνιος. Πέπονθε δὲ ὡς ἄνθρωπος, οὐκ ὡς Θεός. Καὶ τοῦτο σαφῶς ἡμᾶς ἐδίδαξεν ὁ θεῖος ᾿Απόστολος, εἰρηκώς᾽ ε« Ἐπειδὴ γὰρ δι᾽ ἀνθρώπου ὁ θάνατος, καὶ δι᾽ ἀνθρώπον ἀνάστασις νεκρῶν. » Καὶ Θεσσαλονικεῦσι δὲ γράφων, ἀπὸ τῆς τοῦ Σωτῆρος ἡμῶν ἀναστάσεως βεθδαιοξῦ τὸν περὶ τῆς κοινῆς ἀναστάτεως λάγον. ε« Εἰ γὰρ πιστεύομεν, φησὶν, ὅτι Ἰησοῦς ἀπέθανε καὶ ἀνέστη, οὕτως ὁ Θεὸς καὶ τοὺς κοιμηθέντας διὰ τοῦ Ἰησοῦ ἄξει (6|) σὺν αὐτῷ. » ΕΡΑΝ. "ἔδειξε μὲν ὁ ᾿Απόστολος τὴν κοινὴν ἀνάστασιν διὰ τῆς Δεσποτιχῇς ἀναστάσεως. Καὶ δῆλον, ὡς σῶμα ἣν κἀνταῦθα τὸ τεθνεός τε καὶ ἀναστάν. Οὐ γὰρ ἂν ἐπειράθη διὰ τούτον γε δεῖξαι τὴν πάντων ἀνάστασιν, εἰ μὴ τὰ πρὸς ἐκεῖνα εἶναι κατ᾽ οὐσίαν συγγένειαν. Οὐ μὴν ἀνέξομαι τῇ ἀνθρωπείᾳ γε φύσει μόνῃ προσάψαι τὸ πάθος ’ ἀλλ᾽ ἀκόλουθον εἶναί μοι δοκεῖ τὸ λέγειν τὸν Θεὸν Λόνον τεθνηκέναι σαρκί. ΟΡΘ. Πολλάκις ἐδείξαμεν, ὡς τὸ φύσει ἀθάνατον κατ᾽ οὐδένα γε τρόπον ἀποθαγεῖν δύναται. Εΐ τοίνυν τέθνηκεν, οὐκ ἄρα ἀθάνατος. Ἡλίχοι ὃὲ τῇ βλασφημίᾳ τῶν λόγων οἱ κίνδυνοι; ΕΡΑΝ. Φύσει μὲν ἔστιν ἀθάνατος ἐνανθοωπέσας δὲ πέπονθεν. ΟΡΘ. Τοιγαροῦν τροπὴν ὑπέμεινε. Πῶς γὰρ ἄλλως ἀθάνατος ὧν ἐδέξατο θάνατον; ᾿Αλλὰ μὴν συνωμο- ἥκιστα οὖν ἄρα θανάτου μετέλαχε, φύσιν ἔχων ὑπερ τέραν τροπῆς. ΕΡΑΝ. Ὁ θεῖος εἴρηκε Πέτρος παθόντος ὑπὲρ ἡμῶν σαρκί. » ΟΡΘ. Τούτῳ γε καὶ ὁ ἡμέτερος συμφωνεῖ λόγος" ἐκ γὰρ τῆς θείας Γραφῆς μεμαθήκαμεν τὸν τῶν δογμάτων κανόνα. ΕΡΑΝ. Ἠῶς τοίνυν οὗ φατε τὸν Θεὸν Λόγον πε πον- ΟΡΘ, Ὄτι παρὰ τῇ θείᾳ Γραφῇ ταύτην οὐκ εὑρῆκᾶμεν τὴν φωνήν. ΟΡΘ. ᾿Αγνοεῖς, ὡς ἔοικε, τὴν τῶν ὀνομάτων δια φοράν. ΕΡΑΝ. Ποίων ὀνομάτων ς οὐ δοκεὶ σοι θεὸς εἶνα' Λόγος ὁ Δεσπότης Χριστός: ᾿ ΟΡΘ. Τὸ Χριστὸς ὄνομα ἐπὶ τοῦ Κυριου καὶ Σωτῆρος ἡμῶν τὸν ἐνανθρωπήσαντα Λόγον δηλοῖ" τὸ Ἐμμανουὴλ τὸ Μεθ' ἡμῶν ὁ Θεὸς, τὸν Θεὸν καὶ ἄνθρωπον τὸ δέ γε Θεὸς Λόγος, οὑτωσὶ λεγόμενον) τὴν ἁπλῆν φύσιν, τὴν προχόσμιον, τὴν ὑπέρχρονον, τὴν ἀσώματον σημαίνει, Οὗ δὴ χάριν, τὸ πανάγιον Πνεῦμα, τὸ διὰ τῶν ἁγίων ἀποστόλων φθεγξάμενον, οὐδαμοῦ πάθος ἣ θάνατον τῇδε τῇ προδηγορίᾳ
ERAN. Anthrōpos oun monon estin ho Christos - ThRTh. !Apage᾽ tounantion gar pollakis eirēkamen, hōs ou monon anthrōpos estin, alla kai Theos proaiōnios. Peponthe de hōs anthrōpos, ouk hōs Theos. Kai touto saphōs hēmas edidaxen ho theios ᾿Apostolos, eirēkōs᾽ e« Epeidē gar di᾽ anthrōpou ho thanatos, kai di᾽ anthrōpon anastasis nekrōn. » Kai Thessalonikeusi de graphōn, apo tēs tou Sōtēros hēmōn anastaseōs bethdaioxy ton peri tēs koinēs anastateōs lagon. e« Ei gar pisteuomen, phēsin, hoti Iēsous apethane kai anestē, houtōs ho Theos kai tous koimēthentas dia tou Iēsou axei (6|) syn autǭ. » ERAN. "edeixe men ho ᾿Apostolos tēn koinēn anastasin dia tēs Despotichę̄s anastaseōs. Kai dēlon, hōs sōma hēn kantautha to tethneos te kai anastan. Ou gar an epeirathē dia touton ge deixai tēn pantōn anastasin, ei mē ta pros ekeina einai kat᾽ ousian syngeneian. Ou mēn anexomai tę̄ anthrōpeią ge physei monę̄ prosapsai to pathos ’ all᾽ akolouthon einai moi dokei to legein ton Theon Lonon tethnēkenai sarki. ORTh. Pollakis edeixamen, hōs to physei athanaton kat᾽ oudena ge tropon apothagein dynatai. Eï toinyn tethnēken, ouk ara athanatos. Hēlichoi hoe tę̄ blasphēmią tōn logōn hoi kindynoi? ERAN. Physei men estin athanatos enanthoōpesas de peponthen. ORTh. Toigaroun tropēn hypemeine. Pōs gar allōs athanatos hōn edexato thanaton? ᾿Alla mēn synōmo- hēkista oun ara thanatou metelache, physin echōn hyper teran tropēs. ERAN. Ho theios eirēke Petros pathontos hyper hēmōn sarki. » ORTh. Toutǭ ge kai ho hēmeteros symphōnei logos" ek gar tēs theias Graphēs memathēkamen ton tōn dogmatōn kanona. ERAN. Ēōs toinyn hou phate ton Theon Logon pe pon- ORTh, Oti para tę̄ theią Graphę̄ tautēn ouk heurēkamen tēn phōnēn. ORTh. ᾿Agnoeis, hōs eoike, tēn tōn onomatōn dia phoran. ERAN. Poiōn onomatōn s ou dokei soi theos eina' Logos ho Despotēs Christos: ᾿ ORTh. To Christos onoma epi tou Kyriou kai Sōtēros hēmōn ton enanthrōpēsanta Logon dēloi" to Emmanouēl to Meth' hēmōn ho Theos, ton Theon kai anthrōpon to de ge Theos Logos, houtōsi legomenon) tēn haplēn physin, tēn prochosmion, tēn hyperchronon, tēn asōmaton sēmainei, Hou dē charin, to panagion Pneuma, to dia tōn hagiōn apostolōn phthenxamenon, oudamou pathos hē thanaton tę̄de tę̄ prodēgorią
Eranistes: Is Christ, then, only a man? Orthodoxos: Far from it! We have often said the opposite: that he is not only man but also God before the ages. But he suffered as man, not as God. And the divine Apostle taught us this clearly when he said, “For since through a man came death, through a man also came the resurrection of the dead.” And writing to the Thessalonians, he confirms the argument about the common resurrection from the resurrection of our Saviour: “For if we believe,” he says, “that Jesus died and rose again, even so, through Jesus, God will bring with him those who have fallen asleep.” Eranistes: The Apostle did show the common resurrection through the Lord’s resurrection. And it is clear that here too it was a body that died and rose; for he would not have tried to show the resurrection of all through it, if it did not have kinship in substance with them. Yet I will not tolerate attaching the passion to the human nature alone; rather, it seems to me consistent to say that God the Word died in the flesh. Orthodoxos: We have often shown that what is immortal by nature can in no way die. If, then, he died, he is not immortal. How great are the dangers in the blasphemy of these words! Eranistes: By nature he is immortal, but having become man he suffered. Orthodoxos: Then he underwent change. For how else, being immortal, did he receive death? And yet we agreed … [So he by no means] partook of death, since he has a nature superior to change. Eranistes: The divine Peter has said, “… having suffered for us in the flesh.” Orthodoxos: Our argument too agrees with this; for we have learned the rule of doctrines from the divine Scripture. Eranistes: Why, then, do you not say that God the Word suffered [in the flesh]? Orthodoxos: Because we have not found this expression in the divine Scripture. … Orthodoxos: You seem not to know the difference of the names. Eranistes: What names? Does it not seem to you that Christ the Lord is God the Word? Orthodoxos: The name “Christ,” applied to our Lord and Saviour, indicates the Word made man; “Emmanuel,” that is, “God with us,” indicates God and man; but “God the Word,” said in this way, signifies the simple nature, before the world, above time, incorporeal. For this reason the all-holy Spirit, who spoke through the holy apostles, nowhere [joined] passion or death to this title.
Textual problem in this passage: see the notes.
1 Cor 15:21 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Thess 4:14 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Pet 4:1 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 1:23 (allusion, high confidence) · Isa 7:14 (allusion, medium confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: Orthodoxos argues that Christ suffered as man, not as God, and that Scripture joins the passion to the name “Christ” but never to the title “God the Word.”
- Lines have dropped out of the OCR where “…” is printed, including the statement Orthodoxos recalls (“we agreed …”, probably that the Word is immutable) and the start of the quotation of 1 Pet 4:1; bracketed words are supplied for sense. Migne’s Latin column and notes read as Greek letters have been removed (logged corrections); they include a Greek variant reading of Eranistes’ phrase on kinship in substance. Quotations: 1 Cor 15:21; 1 Thess 4:14; 1 Pet 4:1. Allusion: Matt 1:23 (Isa 7:14).
Notes on the original text
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Topics: Christology
Cite (SBL): Theodoret, Eran. 3.16 (PG 83; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-eranistes/3-16). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Translation: Translated by Claude (Opus) from the Greek as printed in Migne PG 83 (archive.org OCR); no public-domain or FOTC English exists, so every section was re-read against the Greek (dialogues 1-2 partly by the translator and partly in a separate review pass).
3.17PG 83
ΕΡΑΝ. Εἰ τῷ Χριστῷ προσάπτει τὸ πάθος, ὁ δὲ Θεὸς Λόγος ἐνανθρωπήῆσας ὠνομάσθη Χριδτὸς, οὐδὲν ἄτοπον, οἶμαι, δρᾷ, ὁ τὸν Θεὸν Λόγον λέγων πεπὸον- ΟΡΘ. Πάντολμον μὲν οὖν, καὶ μάλιστα θραδὺ τὸ ἐγχείρημα. Ἐξετάσωμεν δὲ ὧδέ πη τὸν λόγον. τὸν θεὸν Λέγον ἐκ τοῦ Θεοῦ καὶ τοῦ Πατρὸς εἶναι ἢ θείσ ἐγει Γραφῇ. ΟΡΘ. Καὶ μέντοι τὸ Πνεῦμα τὸ ἅγιον ὡσαύτως ἐκ τοῦ Θεοῦ εἶναι διδάσκει. ΟΡΘ. ᾿Αλλὰ τὸν Θεὸν Λόγσν Υἱὸν ὀνομάζει μονογενῆ. ΟΡΘ- Τὸ δὲ Πνεῦμα τὸ ἅγιον οὐδαμοῦ προσηγόεΚαίτοι ἐκ τοῦ Πατρὸς καὶ Θεοῦ και τοῦτο ἔχει τὴν ὕπαρξιν. ΟΡΘ. Ἐπειδῇ τοίνυν συνομολογοῦμεν, ἔκ τοῦ θεοῦ καὶ Πατρὸς εἶναι, καὶ τὸν Υἱὸν, καὶ τὸ Πνεῦμα, τολμήσαις ἄν ποτε Υἱὸν ὀνομάσαι τὸ “πανάγιον Πνεῦμα; ΕΡΑΝ. Ἐπειδήπερ οὐκ εὑρίσκω τόδε τὸ ὄνομα παρὰ τῇ θείᾳ Γραφῇ. ΟΡΘ. Οὗ δὴ χάριν; ΕΡΑΝ. Οὐκ ἐδιδάχθην οὐδὲ τοῦτο παρὰ τὴς θείας Γραφῆς. ΟΡΘ. Τὸ ὃὲ μὴ γεγεννημένον, μήτ᾽ αὖ ἐχτισμένον, ποίας ἂν εἰκότως τύχοι προσηγορίας; ΕΡΑΝ. "Ακτιστον αὐτὸ χοαὶ ἀγέννητον ὀνομάζομεν. ΟΡΘ. Τὸ ὃὲ πανάγιον Πνεῦμα. οὔτε ἐχτέσθαι, οὔτ᾽ αὖ γεγεννῆσθαί φαμεν ΟΡΘ. Καλέσαι οὖν ἀγέννητον θαρσήσαις ἂν τὸ παν ἀγιον Πνεῦμα; ΟΡΘ. Καὶ τί δήποτε μὴ καλεῖς ἀγέννητον τὸ φύσει μὲν ἄκτιστον, μηδαμῶς δὲ γεγεννημένον; ΕΡΑΝ. Ὅτι τοῦτο οὐ μεμάθηκα παρὰ τῆς θείας Γραφῆς, καὶ σφόδρα δειμαίνω λέγειν τὰ παρ᾽ ἐκεί- ΟΡΘ. Ταύτην δὴ οὖν ἡμῖν, ὦ ἀγαθὲ, τὴν εὐλάδειαν καὶ ἐπὶ τοῦ σωτηρίου διατήρησον πᾶθους" καὶ ὅσα τῶν θείων ὀνομάτων ἀφῆκεν ἡ Γραφὴ τοῦ πάθους ἐλεύθερα, ἄφες καὶ σὺ, καὶ μὴ προσάψῃς τούτοις τὸ πάθος. ΕΡΑΝ. Καὶ τίνα ταῦτά ἐστιν; ΟΡΘ. Οὐδαμοῦ τῇ Θεός προσηγορίᾳ τὸ πάθος συν- ΕΡΑΝ. Οὐδὲ ἐγὼ τὸν Θεὸν Λόγον δίχα σώματος λέγω παθεῖν, ἀλλὰ σαρκὶ πεπονθέναι φημί. ΟΡΘ. Τρόπον οὖν πάθους, οὐκ ἀπάθειαν λέγεις" ποὔτό δέ γε οὐδὲ ψυχῆς πέρι ἀνθρωπείας φαίη τις ἄν. Τίς γὰρ εἴποι ἂν, μὴ κομιδῇ παραπαίων, ὅτι σαρκὶ τέθνηκεν ἡ Παύλου ψυχή; οὐδὲ γὰρ περὶ καμπονήρου τινὸς τοῦτό γε ἂν ῥηθείη ποτέ" ἀθάνατοι γὰρ καὶ τῶν πονηρῶν αἱ ψυκαί, ᾿Αλλὰ τὸν δεῖνα μὲν τὸν ἀνδροψόνον ἀνῃρῆσθαί φαμεν, τὴν τούτου δέ γε ψυχὴν οὐκ ἄν τις εἴποι χατεσφάχθαι σαρκί. Εἰ δὲ τὰς τῶν ἀνδροφόνων καὶ τυμόωρύχων ψυχὰς ἐλευθέρας εἶναι θανάτου φαμὲν, πολλῷ δήπον δικαιότερον ἀθάνατον εἰδέναι τὴν τοῦ Σωτῆρος ἡμῶν ψυχὴν, ἅτε δὴ καὶ ἀμαρτίας ἥκιστα γεγευμένην. Εἰ γὰρ αἱ τὰ μέγιστα πλημμελήσασαι τοῦ θανάτου τὴν πεῖραν διὰ τὴν φύσιν διέφυγον, πῶς ἂν ἐκείνη, καὶ φύσιν ἀθάνατον ἔχουσα, καὶ μηδὲ σμικρᾶς ἁμαρτίας δεξαμένη κηλῖδα, ἐδέξατο ἂν τοῦ θανάτου τὸ (θὅ) ἄγκιστρον; ΕΡΑΝ. Μάτην ἡμῖν τοὺς μακροὺς τούτους προενήνοχας λόγους. Ομολογοῦμεν γὰρ ἀθάνατον εἶναι τὴν τοῦ Σωυτήρος ψυχὴν.
ERAN. Ei tǭ Christǭ prosaptei to pathos, ho de Theos Logos enanthrōpēēsas ōnomasthē Chridtos, ouden atopon, oimai, drą, ho ton Theon Logon legōn pepoon- ORTh. Pantolmon men oun, kai malista thrady to encheirēma. Exetasōmen de hōde pē ton logon. ton theon Legon ek tou Theou kai tou Patros einai ē theis egei Graphę̄. ORTh. Kai mentoi to Pneuma to hagion hōsautōs ek tou Theou einai didaskei. ORTh. ᾿Alla ton Theon Logsn Huion onomazei monogenē. ORTh- To de Pneuma to hagion oudamou prosēgoeKaitoi ek tou Patros kai Theou kai touto echei tēn hyparxin. ORTh. Epeidę̄ toinyn synomologoumen, ek tou theou kai Patros einai, kai ton Huion, kai to Pneuma, tolmēsais an pote Huion onomasai to “panagion Pneuma? ERAN. Epeidēper ouk heuriskō tode to onoma para tę̄ theią Graphę̄. ORTh. Hou dē charin? ERAN. Ouk edidachthēn oude touto para tēs theias Graphēs. ORTh. To hoe mē gegennēmenon, mēt᾽ au echtismenon, poias an eikotōs tychoi prosēgorias? ERAN. "Aktiston auto choai agennēton onomazomen. ORTh. To hoe panagion Pneuma. oute echtesthai, out᾽ au gegennēsthai phamen ORTh. Kalesai oun agennēton tharsēsais an to pan agion Pneuma? ORTh. Kai ti dēpote mē kaleis agennēton to physei men aktiston, mēdamōs de gegennēmenon? ERAN. Hoti touto ou memathēka para tēs theias Graphēs, kai sphodra deimainō legein ta par᾽ ekei- ORTh. Tautēn dē oun hēmin, ō agathe, tēn euladeian kai epi tou sōtēriou diatērēson pathous" kai hosa tōn theiōn onomatōn aphēken hē Graphē tou pathous eleuthera, aphes kai sy, kai mē prosapsę̄s toutois to pathos. ERAN. Kai tina tauta estin? ORTh. Oudamou tę̄ Theos prosēgorią to pathos syn- ERAN. Oude egō ton Theon Logon dicha sōmatos legō pathein, alla sarki peponthenai phēmi. ORTh. Tropon oun pathous, ouk apatheian legeis" pouto de ge oude psychēs peri anthrōpeias phaiē tis an. Tis gar eipoi an, mē komidę̄ parapaiōn, hoti sarki tethnēken hē Paulou psychē? oude gar peri kamponērou tinos touto ge an rhētheiē pote" athanatoi gar kai tōn ponērōn hai psykai, ᾿Alla ton deina men ton andropsonon anę̄rēsthai phamen, tēn toutou de ge psychēn ouk an tis eipoi chatesphachthai sarki. Ei de tas tōn androphonōn kai tymoōrychōn psychas eleutheras einai thanatou phamen, pollǭ dēpon dikaioteron athanaton eidenai tēn tou Sōtēros hēmōn psychēn, hate dē kai amartias hēkista gegeumenēn. Ei gar hai ta megista plēmmelēsasai tou thanatou tēn peiran dia tēn physin diephygon, pōs an ekeinē, kai physin athanaton echousa, kai mēde smikras hamartias dexamenē kēlida, edexato an tou thanatou to (tho) ankistron? ERAN. Matēn hēmin tous makrous toutous proenēnochas logous. Omologoumen gar athanaton einai tēn tou Sōytēros psychēn.
Eranistes: If [Scripture] attaches the passion to Christ, and God the Word, having become man, was named Christ, he does nothing absurd, I think, who says that God the Word suffered … Orthodoxos: The attempt is utterly reckless and exceedingly bold. But let us examine the argument in this way. [Does not] the divine Scripture say that God the Word is from God the Father? … Orthodoxos: And it likewise teaches that the Holy Spirit is from God. … Orthodoxos: But it names God the Word only-begotten Son. … Orthodoxos: But nowhere has it called the Holy Spirit [Son] … although this too has its existence from God the Father. Orthodoxos: Since, then, we agree that both the Son and the Spirit are from God the Father, would you ever dare to name the all-holy Spirit Son? Eranistes: [No,] since I do not find this name in the divine Scripture. Orthodoxos: For what reason? Eranistes: Neither was I taught this by the divine Scripture. Orthodoxos: And what is neither begotten nor created, what title would it fittingly receive? Eranistes: We call it uncreated and unbegotten. Orthodoxos: And we say that the all-holy Spirit is neither created nor begotten. … Orthodoxos: Would you dare, then, to call the all-holy Spirit unbegotten? … Orthodoxos: And why do you not call unbegotten what is by nature uncreated and in no way begotten? Eranistes: Because I have not learned this from the divine Scripture, and I am very much afraid to say what [is not said] by it. Orthodoxos: Keep, then, my good friend, this same reverence for us in the case of the saving passion too; and whatever divine names the Scripture has left free of the passion, you too leave them so, and do not attach the passion to them. Eranistes: And which are these? Orthodoxos: Nowhere has [it] joined the passion to the title “God” … Eranistes: Nor do I say that God the Word suffered without a body; I say that he suffered in the flesh. Orthodoxos: Then you speak of a manner of suffering, not of impassibility. But one would not say this even about a human soul. For who, unless utterly deranged, would say that Paul’s soul died in the flesh? It would never be said even about some utterly wicked man; for even the souls of the wicked are immortal. We say that such-and-such a murderer was put to death, but no one would say that his soul was slaughtered in the flesh. And if we say that the souls of murderers and grave-robbers are free from death, it is surely much more just to know that the soul of our Saviour is immortal, since it never tasted sin at all. For if the souls that committed the greatest offences escaped the experience of death because of their nature, how would that soul, which has an immortal nature and received not even a small stain of sin, have received the hook of death? Eranistes: You have brought us these long arguments in vain; for we confess that the Saviour’s soul is immortal.
John 1:18 (allusion, medium confidence) · John 15:26 (allusion, medium confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: Orthodoxos argues that, as Eranistes will not call the Spirit “Son” or “unbegotten” because Scripture does not, he should not join the passion to the title “God,” and that even Christ’s human soul did not die.
- Lines have dropped out of the OCR where “…” is printed, including several of Eranistes’ replies and the end of Orthodoxos’ sentence about the title “God”; bracketed words are supplied for sense. Orthodoxos’ argument assumes the Spirit is neither begotten nor created, yet is not called “unbegotten” in Scripture. Migne’s Latin column and notes read as Greek letters have been removed (logged corrections). Allusions: John 1:14, 18; John 15:26.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (Migne's Latin column read as Greek letters; Migne's Latin column read as Greek letters inside a word; Migne's Latin notes read as Greek letters; Migne's note on a variant reading, read into the text): « Χριστοῦ οὖν → ; γϑι ἢ δ τὸ -- Θεός. Εὰ, σπι. εἰ [᾿ρ4. τὸν -- → ; ἰδ 85. δά → ; ἢ) 1|]8, φυξ οἱ ἱπμιηογίδι οι) μᾶθεὶ παίυγδω, οἱ → .
Topics: Christology, Trinity
Cite (SBL): Theodoret, Eran. 3.17 (PG 83; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-eranistes/3-17). (abbreviation not yet checked)
Permanent link: https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-eranistes/3-17
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Translation: Translated by Claude (Opus) from the Greek as printed in Migne PG 83 (archive.org OCR); no public-domain or FOTC English exists, so every section was re-read against the Greek (dialogues 1-2 partly by the translator and partly in a separate review pass).
3.18PG 83
ΟΡΘ. Καὶ ποίας οὐκ ἂν εἴητε ἄξιοι τιμωρίας, τὴν μὲν ψυχὴν, ἣ κτιστὴν ἔχει τὴν φύσιν, ἀθάνατον λέγοντες, θνητὴν δὲ τῷ Λόγῳ τὴν θείαν οὐσίαν κατασκευάζοντες; Καὶ τὴν μὲν τοῦ Σωτῆρος ψυχὴν οὐ λέγοντες γεύσασθα: θανάτου σαρκὶ, αὐτὸν δὲ τὸν Θεὸν Λόγον, τὸν τῶν ἁπάντων δημιουργὸν, τοῦτον λέγειν τολμῶντες πεπονθέναι τὸ πάθος; ΕΠΑΝ. ᾿Απαθῶς αὐτὸν πεπονθέναι φαμέν. ΟΡΘ. Καὶ τίς σωφρονῶν τῶν χαταγελάστων τούτων ἀνάσχοιτ᾽ ἂν γρίφων; ἀπαθὲς γὰρ πάθος οὐδεὶς ἀχήχοέ ποτε, οὐδὲ ἀθάνατον θάνατον. Τὸ γὰρ ἀπαθὲς οὐ πέπονθε, καὶ τὸ πεπονθὸς οὐκ ἀπαθὲς μείνοι ἄν. Ἡμεῖς δὲ ἀκούομεν τοῦ θείου Παύλου βοῶντος" ε Ὁ μόνος ἔχων ἀθανασίαν, φῶς οἰκῶν ἀπρόσιτον. » ΕΡΑΝ. Τί οὖν φαμεν καὶ τὰς ἀοράτους δυνάμεις, καὶ τὰς τῶν ἀνθρώπων φυχὰς, καὶ αὐτούς γε τοὺς δαίμονας ἀθανάτους : ΟΡΘ. Φαμέν’' ἀλλὰ κυρίως ἀθάνατος ὁ Θεός" οὐσίᾳ γὰρ ἀθάνατος, οὐ μετουσίᾳ᾽ οὐ γὰρ παρ᾽ ἑτέρου τὴν ἀθανασίαν ἔχει λαθών. Τοῖς δὲ ἀγγέλοις, καὶ τοῖς ἄλλοις, ὧν ἀρτίως ἐμνήσθης, αὐτὸς τὴν ἀθαναασἰαν δεδώρηται. Εἰ τοίνυν ἀθάνατον αὐτὸν ὁ θεσπέσιος ὀνομάζει Παῦλος, καὶ μόνον τὴν ἀθανασίαν ἔχειν φησὶν, πῶς αὐτῷ τὸ τοῦ θανάτου προσαρμόζετε πάθος ᾿ ΕΡΑΝ. Μετὰ τὴν σάρκωσιν αὐτὸν γεύσασθαι θανάτου φαμέν. ΟΡΘ. ᾿Αλλ᾽ ἄτρεπτον αὐτὸν πολλάκις ὡμολογήσαμεν. Εἰ δὲ, ἀθάνατος πρότερον ὧν, ὕστερον διὰ σαρκὸς ὑπέμεινε θάνατον, τροπῆς ἡγησαμένης ὑπἔμεινε θάνατον, ἐξέλιπε δὲ αὑτοῦ καὶ ἡ ζωὴ τρεῖς ἡμέρας, καὶ ἰσαρίθμους νύκτας, καὶ ποίαν τὸ ταῦτα λέγειν ἀσεθείας ὑπερδολὴν καταλείπει; Οἶμαι γὰρ οὐδὲ τοῖς κατὰ τῆς ἀσεθείας ἀγωνιζομένοις τὸ Ο ταῦτα διὰ τῆς γλώττης προσφέρειν ἀκίνδυνον. δὲ γὰρ ἡμεῖς τὴν θείαν φύσιν πεπονθέναι φαμὲν, ἀλλὰ τὴν ἀνθρωπείαν᾽ τὰν θείαν δέ γε συμπεπονθέναι τῷ σώματι. ΟΡΘ. Τὸ συμπεπονθέναι πῶς λέγεις; ὡς τῶν ἥλων ἐμπηγνυμένων τῷ σώματι τὴν θείαν φύσιν τῆς ἀλγηδόνος τὴν αἴσθησιν δέξασθαι; ΟΡΘ. Καὶ νῦν, καὶ ἐν τοῖς ἔμπροσθεν ἐξετασμένοις ἐδείξαμεν, οὐδὲ τὴν ψυχὴν πάντων μεταλαγχάνουσαν τῶν τοῦ σώματος" ἀλλὰ τὸ σῶμα, τὴν ζωτικὴν δύγαμιν δεχόμενον, διὰ τῆς ψυχῆς τὴν αἴσθησιν ἔχειν τῶν πσθημάτων. Εἰ δὲ καὶ συγχωρήσαιμεν τὴν Ψυχὴν τῷ σώματι συναλγεῖν, οὐδὲν ἧττον ἀπαθῆ τὴν ἢ θείαν φύσιν εὑρήσομεν. Οὐ γὰρ ἀντὶ ψυχῆς συνήφθη τῷ σώματι. Ἢ οὐ συνομολογεῖς αὐτὸν ἀνειληφέναι ψυχήν; ΟΡΘ. Καὶ τὴν λογικὴν ψυχήν; ΟΡΘ. Εἰ τοίνυν μετὰ τοῦ σώματος ἀνείληφε τὴν ψυχὴν, συνεχωρήσαμεν δὲ συμπάσχειν τῷ σώματι τὴν Ψυχὴν, ἡ ψυχὴ ἄρα συνέπαθεν, οὐκ ἡ θεότης τῷ σώματι᾽' συνέπαθε, τὰς ὀδύνας ὡς εἰκὸς δεξαμένη διὰ τοῦ σώματος. ᾿Αλλὰ συμπάσχειν μὲν ἴσως τῷ σώματι φαίη τις ἂν τὴν ψυχὴν, συναποθνήσχειν δὲ οὐδαμῶ: ἀθάνατον γάρ ἔλαχε φυσιν. Διά τοι τοῦτο αὶ καὶ ὁ Κύριος ἔφη ε« Μὴ φοδῆσθε ἀπὸ τῶν ἀποχτειγόντων τῷ σῶμα, τὴν δὲ ψυχὴν μὴ δυναμένων ἀποκτεῖναι. » Εἰ τοίνυν οὐδὲ τὴν ψυχὴν τοῦ Σωτῇρός φαμεν τῷ σώματι κοινωνῆσαι θανάτου, πῶς ἄν τις τὴν παρ᾽ ὑμῶν τολμωμένην δέξαιτο βλασφημίαν, ἣ τὴν θείαν φύσιν μεταλαχεῖν θανάτου λέγειν τολμᾷ: καὶ ταῦτα τοῦ Κυρίου νῦν μὲν τὸ σῶμα προσφερόμενον, νῦν δὲ τὴν ψυχὴν ταραττομένην ἐπιδει-
ORTh. Kai poias ouk an eiēte axioi timōrias, tēn men psychēn, hē ktistēn echei tēn physin, athanaton legontes, thnētēn de tǭ Logǭ tēn theian ousian kataskeuazontes? Kai tēn men tou Sōtēros psychēn ou legontes geusastha: thanatou sarki, auton de ton Theon Logon, ton tōn hapantōn dēmiourgon, touton legein tolmōntes peponthenai to pathos? EPAN. ᾿Apathōs auton peponthenai phamen. ORTh. Kai tis sōphronōn tōn chatagelastōn toutōn anaschoit᾽ an griphōn? apathes gar pathos oudeis achēchoe pote, oude athanaton thanaton. To gar apathes ou peponthe, kai to peponthos ouk apathes meinoi an. Hēmeis de akouomen tou theiou Paulou boōntos" e Ho monos echōn athanasian, phōs oikōn aprositon. » ERAN. Ti oun phamen kai tas aoratous dynameis, kai tas tōn anthrōpōn phychas, kai autous ge tous daimonas athanatous : ORTh. Phamen’' alla kyriōs athanatos ho Theos" ousią gar athanatos, ou metousią᾽ ou gar par᾽ heterou tēn athanasian echei lathōn. Tois de angelois, kai tois allois, hōn artiōs emnēsthēs, autos tēn athanaasian dedōrētai. Ei toinyn athanaton auton ho thespesios onomazei Paulos, kai monon tēn athanasian echein phēsin, pōs autǭ to tou thanatou prosarmozete pathos ᾿ ERAN. Meta tēn sarkōsin auton geusasthai thanatou phamen. ORTh. ᾿All᾽ atrepton auton pollakis hōmologēsamen. Ei de, athanatos proteron hōn, hysteron dia sarkos hypemeine thanaton, tropēs hēgēsamenēs hypemeine thanaton, exelipe de hautou kai hē zōē treis hēmeras, kai isarithmous nyktas, kai poian to tauta legein asetheias hyperdolēn kataleipei? Oimai gar oude tois kata tēs asetheias agōnizomenois to O tauta dia tēs glōttēs prospherein akindynon. de gar hēmeis tēn theian physin peponthenai phamen, alla tēn anthrōpeian᾽ tan theian de ge sympeponthenai tǭ sōmati. ORTh. To sympeponthenai pōs legeis? hōs tōn hēlōn empēgnymenōn tǭ sōmati tēn theian physin tēs algēdonos tēn aisthēsin dexasthai? ORTh. Kai nyn, kai en tois emprosthen exetasmenois edeixamen, oude tēn psychēn pantōn metalanchanousan tōn tou sōmatos" alla to sōma, tēn zōtikēn dygamin dechomenon, dia tēs psychēs tēn aisthēsin echein tōn psthēmatōn. Ei de kai synchōrēsaimen tēn Psychēn tǭ sōmati synalgein, ouden hētton apathē tēn ē theian physin heurēsomen. Ou gar anti psychēs synēphthē tǭ sōmati. Ē ou synomologeis auton aneilēphenai psychēn? ORTh. Kai tēn logikēn psychēn? ORTh. Ei toinyn meta tou sōmatos aneilēphe tēn psychēn, synechōrēsamen de sympaschein tǭ sōmati tēn Psychēn, hē psychē ara synepathen, ouk hē theotēs tǭ sōmati᾽' synepathe, tas odynas hōs eikos dexamenē dia tou sōmatos. ᾿Alla sympaschein men isōs tǭ sōmati phaiē tis an tēn psychēn, synapothnēschein de oudamō: athanaton gar elache physin. Dia toi touto ai kai ho Kyrios ephē e« Mē phodēsthe apo tōn apochteigontōn tǭ sōma, tēn de psychēn mē dynamenōn apokteinai. » Ei toinyn oude tēn psychēn tou Sōtę̄ros phamen tǭ sōmati koinōnēsai thanatou, pōs an tis tēn par᾽ hymōn tolmōmenēn dexaito blasphēmian, hē tēn theian physin metalachein thanatou legein tolmą: kai tauta tou Kyriou nyn men to sōma prospheromenon, nyn de tēn psychēn tarattomenēn epidei-
Orthodoxos: And what punishment would you not deserve, calling the soul, which has a created nature, immortal, while in your argument making the divine substance mortal? And not saying that the Saviour’s soul tasted death in the flesh, while daring to say that God the Word himself, the Creator of all things, suffered the passion? Eranistes: We say that he suffered impassibly. Orthodoxos: And what person of sound mind would put up with these ridiculous riddles? No one has ever heard of an impassible passion, or an immortal death. For what is impassible has not suffered, and what has suffered could not remain impassible. But we hear the divine Paul crying out, “Who alone has immortality, dwelling in unapproachable light.” Eranistes: Do we not, then, say that the invisible powers, and the souls of human beings, and even the demons themselves, are immortal? Orthodoxos: We do; but God is immortal in the proper sense, for he is immortal by substance, not by participation; he does not have immortality as something received from another. It is he who has given immortality to the angels and to the others you just mentioned. If, then, the inspired Paul names him immortal, and says that he alone has immortality, how do you fit the passion of death to him? Eranistes: We say that he tasted death after the incarnation. Orthodoxos: But we have often agreed that he is immutable. And if, being immortal before, he afterwards underwent death through flesh, he underwent death with change going before it, and his life too failed for three days and as many nights. And what excess of impiety does saying this leave out? I think that not even for those who contend against impiety is it without danger to bring these words onto the tongue. Eranistes: [No;] for we do not say that the divine nature suffered, but the human; and that the divine suffered together with the body. Orthodoxos: How do you mean “suffered together”? That, as the nails were driven into the body, the divine nature received the sensation of the pain? … Orthodoxos: Both now and in what we examined earlier, we have shown that not even the soul shares in all that the body undergoes; but that the body, receiving the life-giving power, has the sensation of its sufferings through the soul. And even if we were to grant that the soul feels pain together with the body, we shall find the divine nature no less impassible. For it was not joined to the body in place of a soul. Or do you not agree that he assumed a soul? … Orthodoxos: And a rational soul? … Orthodoxos: If, then, he assumed the soul together with the body, and we granted that the soul suffers together with the body, then it was the soul that suffered with the body, not the Godhead, receiving, as is likely, the pains through the body. But one might perhaps say that the soul suffers with the body, but in no way that it dies with it; for it received an immortal nature. For this reason the Lord too said, “Do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul.” If, then, we say that not even the Saviour’s soul shared death with the body, how could anyone accept the blasphemy you venture, which dares to say that the divine nature partook of death — and this when the Lord points out now the body being offered, now the soul being troubled …
1 Tim 6:16 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 10:28 (quotation, high confidence) · John 12:27 (allusion, medium confidence) · Matt 26:38 (allusion, low confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: Orthodoxos rejects the formula that God the Word “suffered impassibly,” arguing that God alone is immortal by nature and that even Christ’s human soul, not his Godhead, shared the body’s pains.
- Lines have dropped out of the OCR where “…” is printed, including Eranistes’ replies and the start of Eranistes’ speech beginning “for we do not say” (the bracketed “No” is supplied for sense). Theodoret’s rejection of the formula “he suffered impassibly” is his own position, translated as written. The point that the Godhead was not joined to the body in place of a soul is aimed at the Apollinarian view. Migne’s Latin column and marginal references read as Greek letters have been removed (logged corrections). Quotations: 1 Tim 6:16; Matt 10:28. Allusions: John 12:27; Matt 26:38.
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Topics: Christology, Heresy
Cite (SBL): Theodoret, Eran. 3.18 (PG 83; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-eranistes/3-18). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Translation: Translated by Claude (Opus) from the Greek as printed in Migne PG 83 (archive.org OCR); no public-domain or FOTC English exists, so every section was re-read against the Greek (dialogues 1-2 partly by the translator and partly in a separate review pass).
3.19PG 83
ΕΡΑΝ. Καὶ ποῦ τὸ σῶμα προσφερόμενον ὁ Κύριος ἔδειξεν; Ἢ πάλιν ἡμῖν τὴν πολυθρύλλητον ὑμῶν προσοίσετε μαρτυρίαν ε« Λύσατε τὸν ναὸν τοῦτον, καὶ ἐν τρισὶν ἡμέραις ἐγερῶ αὐτόν;: » καὶ τὸν εὐαγγελιστὴν ἡμῖν βρενθυόμενοι παρέξετε λέγοντα" ε Αὐτὸς δὲ ἔλεγε περὶ τοῦ ναοῦ τοῦ σώματος αὑτοῦ, καὶ ὅτε ἠγέρθη ἐκ νεκρῶν, ἔγνωσαν οἱ μαθηταὶ αὐτοῦ ὅτι τοῦτο εἶπεν ὁ Ἰησοῦς, καὶ ἐπίστευσαν τῇ Γραφῇ, καὶ τῷ λόγῳ, ᾧ εἶπεν ὁ Κύριος. » ΟΡΘ. Εἰ λίαν οὕτω ταῖς θείαις φωναῖς ἀπεχθάνεσθε, αἵ τὸ μέγα κηρύττουσι τῆς οἰκονομίας μυστήριον, τί δήποτς μὴ Μαρχίωνι, καὶ Βαλεντίνῳ, καὶ Μάνητι παραπλησίως, τὰς τοιάσδε φωνὰς ἐξαλείφετε; καὶ γὰρ ἐκεῖνοι ταὐτὸ τοῦτο δεδράκασιν. Εἰ δὲ θρασὺ τοῦτο δοκεΐ, καὶ ἀνόσιον, μὴ χωμῳδῆτε τοῦ Δεσπότου τὰ ῥήματα, ἀλλὰ τοῖς ἀποστόλοις ἀκολουθεῖτε πιστεύσασι μετὰ τὴν ἀνάστασιν, ὡς ἡ θεότης ἀνέστησεν ὃν ἔλυσαν οἱ Ἰουδαῖοι ναόν. ΕΡΑΝ. Εἰ μαρτνρίαν ἔχεις στεῤῥὰν, παῦσαι λοιδορούμενος, καὶ πλήρωσον τὴν ὑπόσχεσιν, ΟΡΘ. Μέμνησαι πάντως τῶν εὐαγγελικῶν λογίων ἀχείνων, ἐν οἷς τοῦ μάννα καὶ τῆς ἀληθινῆς τροφῆς ὁ Κύριος ἐποιήσατο σύγκρισιν. ΟΡΘ. Ἐν ἐκείνῳ τῷ χωρίῳ, περὶ τοῦ ἄρτου τῆς ζωῆς πολλοὺς λόγους διεξελθὼν, ἐπήγαγε καὶ ταῦτα « Ὃ δὲ ἄρτος ὃν ἐγὼ δώσω, ἡ σάρξ μού ἐστιν,, ἣν ἐγὼ δώσω ὑπὲρ τῆς τοῦ κόσμου ζωῆς. » Καὶ ἔστιν ἰδεῖν ἐν τοῖς λόγοις, καὶ τὴν τῆς θεότητος φιλοτιμίαν, καὶ τὴν δωρεὰν τῆς σαρκός. ΕΡΑΝ. Οὐκ ἀπόχρη μαρτυρία μία λῦσαι τὴν ἀμ- ΟΡΘ. Ὁ Αἰθίοψ εὐνοῦχος οὐ πολλὰς ἀνέγνω Γραφὰς, ἀλλὰ μίαν εὑρὼν προφητικὴν μαρτυρίαν, δι᾽ ἐκείνης ἐποδηγήθη πρὸς σωτηρίαν. Ὑμᾶς δὲ οὐκ ὃ ἰκανοὶ πεῖσαι πάντες ἀπόστολοι καὶ προφῆται, καὶ οἱ μετ᾽ ἐκείνους τῆς ἀληθείας γενόμενοι κήρυκες. ᾿Αλλ ὅμως σοι καὶ ἑτέρας περὶ τοῦ Δεσποτικοῦ σώματος μαρτυρίας προσοίσω. Οἶσθά γε τῆς εὐαγγελιχῆῇς ἱστορίας τὸ χωρίον ἐκεῖνό γε, ἔνθα τὸ Πάσχα φαγὼν μετὰ τῶν μαθητῶν, ἔδειξεν μὲν τοῦ τυπικοῦ προδάτου τὸ τέλος, ἐδίδαξε δὲ τῆς σκιᾶς ἐκείνης ποῖον ὑπάρχει σῶμα. ΕΡΑΝ. Οἶδα τήνδε τὴν ἱστορίαν. ΟΡΘ. Οὐκοῦν ἀναμνήσθητι, τί μὲν ὁ Κύριος λαβὼν ἔκλασε, τί δὲ τὸ ληφθὲν προσαγορεύσας εἴρηχεν. ΕΡΑΝ. Τῶν ἀμυήτων ἕνεκα μυστικώτερον λέξω. Λαδὼν καὶ κλάσας, καὶ τοῖς μαθηταῖς διανείμας, ἔφη « Τοῦτο μου ἐστὶ τὸ σῶμα τὸ ὑπὲρ ὑμῶν διδόμένον,» ἣ χλώμεγον, κατὰ τὸν ᾿Απόστολον" καὶ πάλιν. ε Τοῦτο μον ἐστὶ τὸ αἷμα τὸ τῆς Καινῆς Διαθήκης, τὸ περὶ πολλῶν ἐκχυνόμενον. » ΟΡΘ. Οὐ τοίνυν θεότητος ἐμνημόνευσε, τοῦ κάθους τὸν τύπον ἐπιδεικνύς : ΟΡΘ. ᾿Αλλὰ σώματός γε καὶ αἵματος; ΟΡΘ. Σῶμα ἄρα τῷ σταυρῷ προσηλώθη; ΟΡΘ. "Αγε δὴ τόδε προσετάσωμεν. Ἡνίχα μετὰ τὴν ἀνάστασιν, τῶν θυρῶν κεκλεισμένων, πρὺς τοὺς ἁγίους ὁ Δεσπότης εἰσελήλυθε μαθητὰς, καὶ δείσαντας ἐθεάσατο, τίνι τρόπῳ τὸ δέος ἔλυσε, καὶ πίστιν ἀντὶ δέους ἐνέθηκεν;
ERAN. Kai pou to sōma prospheromenon ho Kyrios edeixen? Ē palin hēmin tēn polythryllēton hymōn prosoisete martyrian e« Lysate ton naon touton, kai en trisin hēmerais egerō auton?: » kai ton euangelistēn hēmin brenthyomenoi parexete legonta" e Autos de elege peri tou naou tou sōmatos hautou, kai hote ēgerthē ek nekrōn, egnōsan hoi mathētai autou hoti touto eipen ho Iēsous, kai episteusan tę̄ Graphę̄, kai tǭ logǭ, hǭ eipen ho Kyrios. » ORTh. Ei lian houtō tais theiais phōnais apechthanesthe, hai to mega kēryttousi tēs oikonomias mystērion, ti dēpots mē Marchiōni, kai Balentinǭ, kai Manēti paraplēsiōs, tas toiasde phōnas exaleiphete? kai gar ekeinoi tauto touto dedrakasin. Ei de thrasy touto dokeï, kai anosion, mē chōmǭdēte tou Despotou ta rhēmata, alla tois apostolois akoloutheite pisteusasi meta tēn anastasin, hōs hē theotēs anestēsen hon elysan hoi Ioudaioi naon. ERAN. Ei martnrian echeis sterrhan, pausai loidoroumenos, kai plērōson tēn hyposchesin, ORTh. Memnēsai pantōs tōn euangelikōn logiōn acheinōn, en hois tou manna kai tēs alēthinēs trophēs ho Kyrios epoiēsato synkrisin. ORTh. En ekeinǭ tǭ chōriǭ, peri tou artou tēs zōēs pollous logous diexelthōn, epēgage kai tauta « Ho de artos hon egō dōsō, hē sarx mou estin,, hēn egō dōsō hyper tēs tou kosmou zōēs. » Kai estin idein en tois logois, kai tēn tēs theotētos philotimian, kai tēn dōrean tēs sarkos. ERAN. Ouk apochrē martyria mia lysai tēn am- ORTh. Ho Aithiops eunouchos ou pollas anegnō Graphas, alla mian heurōn prophētikēn martyrian, di᾽ ekeinēs epodēgēthē pros sōtērian. Hymas de ouk ho ikanoi peisai pantes apostoloi kai prophētai, kai hoi met᾽ ekeinous tēs alētheias genomenoi kērykes. ᾿All homōs soi kai heteras peri tou Despotikou sōmatos martyrias prosoisō. Oistha ge tēs euangelichēę̄s historias to chōrion ekeino ge, entha to Pascha phagōn meta tōn mathētōn, edeixen men tou typikou prodatou to telos, edidaxe de tēs skias ekeinēs poion hyparchei sōma. ERAN. Oida tēnde tēn historian. ORTh. Oukoun anamnēsthēti, ti men ho Kyrios labōn eklase, ti de to lēphthen prosagoreusas eirēchen. ERAN. Tōn amyētōn heneka mystikōteron lexō. Ladōn kai klasas, kai tois mathētais dianeimas, ephē « Touto mou esti to sōma to hyper hymōn didomenon,» hē chlōmegon, kata ton ᾿Apostolon" kai palin. e Touto mon esti to haima to tēs Kainēs Diathēkēs, to peri pollōn ekchynomenon. » ORTh. Ou toinyn theotētos emnēmoneuse, tou kathous ton typon epideiknys : ORTh. ᾿Alla sōmatos ge kai haimatos? ORTh. Sōma ara tǭ staurǭ prosēlōthē? ORTh. "Age dē tode prosetasōmen. Hēnicha meta tēn anastasin, tōn thyrōn kekleismenōn, prys tous hagious ho Despotēs eiselēlythe mathētas, kai deisantas etheasato, tini tropǭ to deos elyse, kai pistin anti deous enethēken?
Eranistes: And where did the Lord point out the body being offered? Or will you again bring us your much-repeated testimony, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up,” and present the evangelist to us with a swagger, saying, “But he was speaking about the temple of his body. When, therefore, he was raised from the dead, his disciples remembered that Jesus had said this, and they believed the Scripture and the word that the Lord had spoken”? Orthodoxos: If you are so very hostile to the divine words that proclaim the great mystery of the dispensation, why do you not, like Marcion and Valentinus and Mani, erase such words? For they did this very thing. But if this seems bold and unholy, do not mock the Lord’s words, but follow the apostles, who believed after the resurrection that the Godhead raised the temple that the Jews had destroyed. Eranistes: If you have strong testimony, stop reviling and fulfil your promise. Orthodoxos: You surely remember those sayings in the Gospel in which the Lord compared the manna with the true food. … Orthodoxos: In that passage, after he had gone through many words about the bread of life, he added this as well: “And the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.” And one can see in these words both the generosity of the Godhead and the gift of the flesh. Eranistes: One testimony is not enough to settle the dispute … Orthodoxos: The Ethiopian eunuch did not read many Scriptures; he found one prophetic testimony and was guided by it to salvation. But all the apostles and prophets, and those who became heralds of the truth after them, are not able to persuade you. Nevertheless I will bring you other testimonies too about the Lord’s body. You surely know that passage of the Gospel history where, having eaten the Passover with the disciples, he showed the end of the lamb that was a type, and taught what the body of that shadow is. Eranistes: I know this history. Orthodoxos: Then remember what the Lord took and broke, and what he called that which he had taken. Eranistes: Because of the uninitiated, I shall speak rather in the manner of the mysteries. Having taken and broken it, and distributed it to the disciples, he said, “This is my body, which is given for you,” or “broken,” according to the Apostle; and again, “This is my blood of the new covenant, which is poured out for many.” Orthodoxos: Then in showing the type of the passion he did not mention Godhead? … Orthodoxos: But body and blood? … Orthodoxos: So it was a body that was nailed to the cross? … Orthodoxos: Come, let us add this too. When after the resurrection the Lord came in to the holy disciples while the doors were shut, and saw them afraid, in what way did he dispel the fear and put faith in place of fear?
John 2:19 (quotation, high confidence) · John 2:21 (quotation, high confidence) · John 2:22 (quotation, high confidence) · John 6:31 (allusion, medium confidence) · John 6:51 (quotation, high confidence) · Acts 8:32 (allusion, medium confidence) · Matt 26:26 (allusion, high confidence) · Luke 22:19 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Cor 11:24 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 26:28 (quotation, high confidence) · John 20:19 (allusion, high confidence)
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Summary: Orthodoxos proves from John 2, John 6, and the words of institution that it was Christ’s body that was destroyed, given, and nailed to the cross.
- Lines have dropped out of the OCR where “…” is printed, including several short replies of Eranistes. Eranistes’ “because of the uninitiated I shall speak rather in the manner of the mysteries” reflects the custom of not describing the eucharist openly before the unbaptized; the eucharistic passage is translated as printed. Marcion, Valentinus, and Mani are named by Theodoret as heretics who cut passages out of Scripture; the charge is his. Migne’s Latin column and marginal references read as Greek letters have been removed (logged corrections). Quotations: John 2:19, 21–22; John 6:51; Luke 22:19 with 1 Cor 11:24 (the reading “broken”); Matt 26:28. Allusions: John 6:31–35; Acts 8:27–35 (Isa 53:7–8); Matt 26:26; John 20:19.
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Topics: Christology, Eucharist, Heresy
Cite (SBL): Theodoret, Eran. 3.19 (PG 83; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-eranistes/3-19). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Translation: Translated by Claude (Opus) from the Greek as printed in Migne PG 83 (archive.org OCR); no public-domain or FOTC English exists, so every section was re-read against the Greek (dialogues 1-2 partly by the translator and partly in a separate review pass).
3.20PG 83
ΕΡΑΝ. Εἶπεν αὐτοῖς «ε Βλέπετε τὰς χεῖράς μου, καὶ τοὺς πόδας μου, ὅτι αὐτὸς ἐγώ εἰμι" ψηλαφήσατέ με, καὶ ἴδετε, ὅτι πνεῦμα σάρκα καὶ ὀὸτέα οὐκ ἔχει, καθὼς ἐμὲ θεωρεῖτε ἔχοντα. ». ΟΡΘ. Τὸ σῶμα τοίνυν αὐτοῖς ἀπιστοῦσιν ἔδειξεν; ΟΡΘ. Τὸ σῶμα τοιγαροῦν ἐγήγερται; ΟΡΘ. Ὁ δὲ ἀνέστη, τοῦτο δήπου καὶ ἐτεθνῆκει; ΟΡΘ. Ὃ δέ γε ἐτεθνήκει, τοῦτο τῷ σταυρῷ προσ- ΟΡΘ. Τὸ σῶμα ἄρα πέπονθε, κατὰ τὸν σόν γέ λόγον. ΕΡΑΝ. Τοῦτο φάναι βιάζεται ὁ τῶν λόγων εἰς μός. ΟΡΘ. Σκοπήσωμεν δὲ καὶ ὡδί. Ἐγὼ δὲ πάλιν ἐρήσομαι, σὺ δὲ φιλαλήθως ἀπόκριναι. ΟΡΘ. Ὁπηνίκα τὸ πανάγιον τοῖς ἀποστόλοις ἐπἐφοίτησε Πνεῦμα, καὶ τὸ παράδοξον θέαμά τε καὶ ἄχουσμα πολλὰς ἀνθρώπων παρὰ τὸ δωμάτιον ἐκεῖνο μυριάδας ἤθροισε, τίνα τῶν ἀποστόλων ὁ πρῶτος τηνικαῦτα δημηγορῶν περὶ τῆς Δεσποτιχῆῇς εἴρηκεν ἀναστάσεως; ΕΡΑΝ. Τὸν θεσπέσιον Δαδὶδ εἰς μέσον παρήγαγεν, ἔφη τε αὐτὸν ὑποσχέσεις παρὰ τοῦ Θεοῦ τῶν ὅλων δεξάμενον, ὡς ὁ Δεσπότης Χριστὸς ἐκ καρποῦ «ἧς ὀσφύος αὐτοῦ βλαστήσεψ καὶ καύταις πεπιστευκότα, προϊδεῖν τε προφητικῶς αὐτοῦ τὴν ἀνάστασιν, καὶ διαῤῥήδην εἰπεῖν, ὡς οὐκ ἐγκατελείφθη εἰς ἄδου ἣ ψυχὴ αὐτοῦ, οὐδὲ ἢ «αἀρξ αὐτοῦ εἶδε διαφθοράν. ΟΡΘ. Τούτων τοιγαροῦν ἣ ἀνάστασις. ΕΡΑΝ. Καὶ πῶς ἄν τις τῆς οὐ τεθνηχυίας ψυχῆς ἀνάστασιν εἴποι γε σωφρονῶν : ΟΡΘ. Οἱ τῆς ἀτρέπτου καὶ ἀπεριγράφον θεότητος καὶ τὸ πάθος καὶ τὸν θάνατον καὶ τὴν ἀνάστασιν λέγοντες εἶναι, πῶς ἡμῖν ἐξαίφνης ἀνεφάνητε σώφρονες, ὡς παραιτεῖσθαι καὶ τῇ ψυχῇ προσάπτειν τὸ τῆς ἀναστάσεως ὄνομα; ΕΡΑΝ. Ὅτι τῷ πεπτωχότι πρόσφορον τὸ τῆς ἀναστάσεως ὄνομα. ΟΡΘ. ᾿Αλλ᾽ οὐ δίχα ψυχῆς τὸ σῶμα τυγχάνει τῆς ἀναστάσεως, νεουργούμενον δὲ τῷ θείῳ βουλήματι, καὶ τῇ ὁμόζυγι συναπτόμενον, ἀπολαμθάνει τὸ ζῇν. Ἥ οὐκ οὕτω τὸν Λάζαρον ὁ Δεσπότης ἀνέστησεν; ΕΡΑΝ. Δῆλον ὡς οὐ σῶμα μόνον ἀνίσταται. ΟΡΘ. Σαφέστερον διδάσκει ὁ θεΐος Ἰεζεχιήλ. Ἐπιδείκνυσι γὰρ ὅπως τὸ συνελθεῖν τὰ ὀστέα προπέτα ξεν ὁ Θεὸς, καὶ ὅπως τούτων ἕχαστον τὴν ἰδίαν ἀπἐλαόεν ἁρμονίαν, καὶ ἔφυσε νεῦρα, καὶ φλέβας, καὶ ἀρτηρίας, καὶ τὰς μεταξὺ τούτων ὑπεστρωμένας σάρκας, καὶ τὸ δέρμα τούτων ἀπάντων τὸ κάλυμμα, καὶ τότε τὰς ψυχὰς ἐπανελθεῖν πρὸς τὰ οἰκεῖα παρ- ΟΡΘ. Τὸ μέντοι Κυριακὸν σῶμα ταύτην οὐκ ὑπἐμεινε τὴν διαφθορὰν, ἀλλ' ἀκήρατον διαμεῖναν ἀπέλαδε τῇ τρίτῃ ἡμέρᾳ τὴν οἰχείχν ψυχήν. ΟΡΘ. Τοιγάρτοι τούτων τὸ πάθος, ὧν καὶ ὁ θάνατος; ΟΡΘ. Τῆς δέ γε ἀναστάσεως μνημονεύσας ὁ μεγας Πέτρος, καὶ μὴν καὶ ὁ θεῖος Δαδὶδ, τὴν μὲν Ψυχὴν ἔφασαν μὴ ἐγκαταλειφθῆναι εἰς ἄδου, τὸ δὲ σῶμα μὴ ὑπομεῖναι διαφθοράν; ΟΡΘ. Οὐκ ἄρα ἡ θεότης ὑπέμεινε θάνατον, ἀλλὰ τὸ σῶμα τῷ χωρισμῷ τῆς Ψυχῆς. ΕΡΑΝ. Τῶν ἀτόπων τούτων λόγων ἐγώ γε οὐκ ἀνέξομαι. ΟὔθΘ. Τοῖς οἰκείοις οὖν διαμάχῃ λόγοις " σοὶ γὰρ οὗτοί γε, οὃς ἀτόπου: ὠνόμασας. λόγων οὐδεὶς ἐμός.
ERAN. Eipen autois «e Blepete tas cheiras mou, kai tous podas mou, hoti autos egō eimi" psēlaphēsate me, kai idete, hoti pneuma sarka kai ootea ouk echei, kathōs eme theōreite echonta. ». ORTh. To sōma toinyn autois apistousin edeixen? ORTh. To sōma toigaroun egēgertai? ORTh. Ho de anestē, touto dēpou kai etethnēkei? ORTh. Ho de ge etethnēkei, touto tǭ staurǭ pros- ORTh. To sōma ara peponthe, kata ton son ge logon. ERAN. Touto phanai biazetai ho tōn logōn eis mos. ORTh. Skopēsōmen de kai hōdi. Egō de palin erēsomai, sy de philalēthōs apokrinai. ORTh. Hopēnika to panagion tois apostolois epephoitēse Pneuma, kai to paradoxon theama te kai achousma pollas anthrōpōn para to dōmation ekeino myriadas ēthroise, tina tōn apostolōn ho prōtos tēnikauta dēmēgorōn peri tēs Despotichēę̄s eirēken anastaseōs? ERAN. Ton thespesion Dadid eis meson parēgagen, ephē te auton hyposcheseis para tou Theou tōn holōn dexamenon, hōs ho Despotēs Christos ek karpou «hēs osphyos autou blastēseps kai kautais pepisteukota, proïdein te prophētikōs autou tēn anastasin, kai diarrhēdēn eipein, hōs ouk enkateleiphthē eis adou hē psychē autou, oude ē «aarx autou eide diaphthoran. ORTh. Toutōn toigaroun hē anastasis. ERAN. Kai pōs an tis tēs ou tethnēchuias psychēs anastasin eipoi ge sōphronōn : ORTh. Hoi tēs atreptou kai aperigraphon theotētos kai to pathos kai ton thanaton kai tēn anastasin legontes einai, pōs hēmin exaiphnēs anephanēte sōphrones, hōs paraiteisthai kai tę̄ psychę̄ prosaptein to tēs anastaseōs onoma? ERAN. Hoti tǭ peptōchoti prosphoron to tēs anastaseōs onoma. ORTh. ᾿All᾽ ou dicha psychēs to sōma tynchanei tēs anastaseōs, neourgoumenon de tǭ theiǭ boulēmati, kai tę̄ homozygi synaptomenon, apolamthanei to zę̄n. Hē ouk houtō ton Lazaron ho Despotēs anestēsen? ERAN. Dēlon hōs ou sōma monon anistatai. ORTh. Saphesteron didaskei ho theïos Iezechiēl. Epideiknysi gar hopōs to synelthein ta ostea propeta xen ho Theos, kai hopōs toutōn hechaston tēn idian apelaoen harmonian, kai ephyse neura, kai phlebas, kai artērias, kai tas metaxy toutōn hypestrōmenas sarkas, kai to derma toutōn apantōn to kalymma, kai tote tas psychas epanelthein pros ta oikeia par- ORTh. To mentoi Kyriakon sōma tautēn ouk hypemeine tēn diaphthoran, all' akēraton diameinan apelade tę̄ tritę̄ hēmerą tēn oicheichn psychēn. ORTh. Toigartoi toutōn to pathos, hōn kai ho thanatos? ORTh. Tēs de ge anastaseōs mnēmoneusas ho megas Petros, kai mēn kai ho theios Dadid, tēn men Psychēn ephasan mē enkataleiphthēnai eis adou, to de sōma mē hypomeinai diaphthoran? ORTh. Ouk ara hē theotēs hypemeine thanaton, alla to sōma tǭ chōrismǭ tēs Psychēs. ERAN. Tōn atopōn toutōn logōn egō ge ouk anexomai. OuthTh. Tois oikeiois oun diamachę̄ logois " soi gar houtoi ge, hoos atopou: ōnomasas. logōn oudeis emos.
Eranistes: He said to them, “See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself; touch me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have.” Orthodoxos: So he showed them the body when they disbelieved? … Orthodoxos: So it was the body that was raised? … Orthodoxos: And what rose had surely also died? … Orthodoxos: And what had died was what was nailed to the cross? … Orthodoxos: So it was the body that suffered, by your own argument at least. Eranistes: The chain of the arguments forces one to say this. Orthodoxos: Let us consider it this way too. I will ask again, and you answer as a lover of the truth. … Orthodoxos: When the all-holy Spirit came upon the apostles, and the extraordinary sight and sound gathered many tens of thousands of people at that house, what did the first of the apostles, addressing the people then, say about the Lord’s resurrection? Eranistes: He brought forward the inspired David, and said that he had received promises from the God of the universe that Christ the Lord would spring from the fruit of his loins; and that, having believed them, he foresaw prophetically his resurrection and said expressly that his soul was not abandoned to Hades, nor did his flesh see corruption. Orthodoxos: The resurrection, then, belongs to these. Eranistes: And how could anyone of sound mind speak of the resurrection of a soul that has not died? Orthodoxos: You who say that both the passion and the death and the resurrection belong to the immutable and uncircumscribed Godhead, how have you suddenly appeared so sound of mind as to refuse to attach the name of resurrection even to the soul? Eranistes: Because the name of resurrection fits what has fallen. Orthodoxos: But the body does not obtain resurrection without the soul; it is renewed by the divine will and joined to its yoke-fellow, and so recovers life. Or did the Lord not raise Lazarus in this way? Eranistes: Clearly it is not the body alone that rises. Orthodoxos: The divine Ezekiel teaches this more clearly. For he shows how God commanded the bones to come together, and how each of them recovered its own fitting, and sinews grew, and veins, and arteries, and the flesh laid underneath between them, and the skin as a covering for them all, and then the souls returned to their own [bodies] … Orthodoxos: The Lord’s body, however, did not undergo this corruption, but remained undefiled and received back its own soul on the third day. … Orthodoxos: Therefore the passion belongs to those to which the death also belongs? … Orthodoxos: And when the great Peter, and indeed the divine David, mentioned the resurrection, did they say that the soul was not abandoned to Hades, and that the body did not undergo corruption? … Orthodoxos: So it was not the Godhead that underwent death, but the body, by the separation of the soul. Eranistes: I for one will not tolerate these absurd words. Orthodoxos: Then you are fighting your own words; for of these words, which you called absurd, not one is mine; they are yours.
Luke 24:39 (quotation, high confidence) · Acts 2:1 (allusion, medium confidence) · Acts 2:6 (allusion, medium confidence) · Acts 2:30 (quotation, high confidence) · Acts 2:31 (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 132:11 (131:11 LXX) (allusion, medium confidence) · Ps 16:10 (15:10 LXX) (quotation, high confidence) · John 11:43 (allusion, medium confidence) · Ezek 37:7 (allusion, high confidence) · Ezek 37:8 (allusion, high confidence) · Ezek 37:10 (allusion, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: Orthodoxos shows from the risen Christ’s hands and feet, from Peter’s Pentecost sermon, and from Ezekiel’s dry bones that death and resurrection belong to Christ’s body and soul, not to his Godhead.
- Lines have dropped out of the OCR where “…” is printed: Eranistes’ short replies between Orthodoxos’ questions are lost, and so is the end of the description of Ezekiel’s vision. Migne’s marginal reference read as Greek letters has been removed (logged correction). Quotations and close paraphrases: Luke 24:39; Acts 2:30–31 (Ps 132:11; Ps 16:10). Allusions: Acts 2:1–6; John 11:43–44; Ezek 37:7–10.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (marginal Scripture reference read as Greek letters): 88 Αρί, πι, 29- → .
Topics: Christology, Eschatology
Cite (SBL): Theodoret, Eran. 3.20 (PG 83; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-eranistes/3-20). (abbreviation not yet checked)
Permanent link: https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-eranistes/3-20
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Translation: Translated by Claude (Opus) from the Greek as printed in Migne PG 83 (archive.org OCR); no public-domain or FOTC English exists, so every section was re-read against the Greek (dialogues 1-2 partly by the translator and partly in a separate review pass).