Against Parmenian the Donatist 5.3–5.11
Latin text: Ziwsa, CSEL 26 (Latin text: C. Ziwsa (CSEL 26, 1893), digitized by Open Greek and Latin, University of Leipzig (csel-dev), CC BY-SA 4.0).English: Claude (claude-opus-5-5), public domain (CC0).
Chapter 5
5.3CSEL 26:122–126
Cum ergo dixeris et unum fuisse diluuium et circumcisionem repeti non posse, et nos docuimus caeleste munus unicuique credenti a trinitate conferri, non ab homine: ecquid uobis uisum est non post nos, sed post trinitatem baptisma geminare? cuius de sacramento non leue certamen innatum est et dubitatur, an post trinitatem in eadem trinitate hoc iterum liceat facere. uos dicitis: licet, nos dicimus: non licet. inter licet uestrum et non licet nostrum nutant et remigant animae populorum. nemo uobis credat, nemo nobis: omnes contentiosi homines sumus. quaerendi sunt iudices: si christiani, de utraque parte dari non possunt, quia studiis ueritas inpeditur. de foris quaerendus est iudex: si paganus, non potest christiana nosse secreta, si Iudaeus, inimicus est christiani baptismatis; ergo in terris de hac re nullum poterit reperiri iudicium: de caelo quaerendus est iudex. sed ut quid pulsamus ad caelum, cum habeamus hic in euangelio testamentum? quia hoc loco recte possunt terrena caelestibus conparari. tale est, quod quiuis hominum habens numerosos filios, quamdiu pater praesens est, pater et ipse imperat singulis; non est adhuc necessarium testamentum: sic et Christus, quamdiu praesens in terris fuit, quamuis nec modo desit, pro tempore quicquid necessarium erat, apostolis imperauit. sed quomodo terrenus pater, dum se in confinio senserit mortis, timens, ne post mortem suam rupta pace litigent fratres, adhibitis testibus uoluntatem suam de pectore morituro transfert in tabulas diu duraturas, et si fuerit inter fratres nata contentio, non itur ad tumulum, sed quaeritur testamentum, et qui in tumulo quiescit, tacitus de tabulis loquitur: uiuus, cuius est testamentum, in caelo est, ergo uoluntas eius, uelut in testamento, sic in euangelio requiratur. etenim de praescientia, quae modo facitis, iam futura conspexerat Christus. denique cum lauaret pedes discipulis suis, sic ait Petro filius dei: quod ego facio, tu nescis; scies autem postea. dicendo scies postea haec tempora designabat; ergo inter ceteros testamenti titulos hunc titulum de aqua constituit. cum lauaret pedes discipulis suis, tacentibus ceteris si taceret et Petrus, solam fecerat formam humilitatis, nihil pronuntiauerat de sacramento baptismatis. sed cum Petrus recusat nec pedes sibi lauari permittit, negat illi Christus regnum, nisi accepisset obsequium. sed cum caelestis regni mentio fieret, quo pars corporis petebatur ad obsequium, totum corpus obtulit ad lauacrum. nunc adestote, omnes turbae et singuli christiani populi; quid liceat, discite. dum prouocat Petrus, Christus docet. qui dubitat, discat; Christi enim uox est: qui semel lotus est, non habet necessitatem iterum lauandi, quia est mundus totus. et de eo lauacro pronuntiauit, quod de trinitate celebrandum esse mandauerat, non de Iudaeorum aut haereticorum, qui dum lauant, sordidant, sed de aqua sancta, quae de trium nominum fontibus inundat. sic enim ipse dominus praecepit dicendo: ite, baptizate omnes gentes in nomine patris et filii et spiritus sancti. de hoc lauacro dixit: qui semel lotus est, non habet necessitatem iterum lauandi. qui semel dixit, prohibuit iterum fieri et de re locutus est, non de persona. nam si esset distantia, diceret: qui semel bene lotus fuerit; sed dum non addidit uerbum bene, indicat, quia quicquid in trinitate factum fuerit, bene est. inde est, quod simpliciter a uobis uenientes excipimus. cum dicit: non habet necessitatem iterum lauandi, haec sententia generalis est, non specialis; nam si Petro haec dicerentur, diceret Christus: quia semel lotus es, non habes necessitatem iterum lauandi: ideo quotiens a uobis baptizatus aliquis ad nos transitum uoluerit facere, uenientem hoc magisterio et exemplo tota simplicitate suscipimus. absit enim, ut umquam exorcizemus sanum fidelem, absit, ut iam lotum reuocemus ad fontem, absit, ut in spiritu sancto peccemus, cui facinori et praesenti et futuro saeculo indulgentia denegatur, absit, ut iteremus, quod semel est, aut duplicemus, quod unum est. sic enim scriptum est apostolo dicente: unus deus, unus Christus, una fides, una tinctio. denique uos, qui baptisma quasi libenter duplicare contenditis, si datis alterum baptisma, date alteram fidem; si datis alteram fidem, date et alterum Christum; si datis alterum Christum, date alterum deum. unum deum esse negare non potestis, ne in Marcionis foueas incidatis. ergo deus unus est, de uno deo unus est Christus. qui rebaptizatur, iam christianus fuerat; quomodo dici potest iterum christianus? una fides hoc loco ab haereticorum erroribus et ab eorum uaria fide fides unica separatur. etiam nobis praescribitur, qui post semel iterum facitis, totum ponendo in dotibus, nihil in sacramentis, cum hoc nomen fidei pertineat ad credentem, non ad operantem. quocumque enim interrogante qui credidit deo, credidit, et post illius unum credo. tu exigis alterum credo. deinde sequitur unum baptisma, ut quia quod unum est, sanctum est, per quod unum est, non solum ab haereticorum profanis et sacrilegis baptismatibus separetur, sed ne duplicetur, quod unum est, aut iteretur, quod semel est.
Since, then, you said both that there was one flood and that circumcision cannot be repeated, and we have taught that the heavenly gift is conferred on each believer by the Trinity, not by a man: why did you see fit to double baptism, not after us, but after the Trinity? About whose sacrament no slight contest has arisen, and it is doubted whether, after the Trinity, it is lawful to do this again in the same Trinity. You say, "It is lawful"; we say, "It is not lawful." Between your "it is lawful" and our "it is not lawful" the souls of the peoples waver and row to and fro. Let no one believe you, no one us: we are all contentious men. Judges must be sought. If Christians, they cannot be given from either side, because truth is hindered by partisanship. A judge must be sought from outside. If a pagan, he cannot know the Christian secrets; if a Jew, he is an enemy of Christian baptism. So on earth no judgment of this matter can be found: a judge must be sought from heaven. But why do we knock at heaven, when we have here a testament in the gospel? For here earthly things can rightly be compared with heavenly. It is as when any man has many sons: as long as the father is present, the father himself gives orders to each; a testament is not yet necessary. So too Christ, as long as he was present on earth (though he is not absent now either), commanded the apostles whatever was necessary for the time. But just as an earthly father, when he feels himself on the border of death, fearing that after his death the brothers will break the peace and quarrel, calls witnesses and transfers his will from his dying breast into tablets that will last long; and if a dispute arises among the brothers, one does not go to the tomb but seeks the testament, and he who rests in the tomb speaks silently from the tablets: so he whose testament it is, living, is in heaven; therefore let his will be sought in the gospel as in a testament. For by foreknowledge Christ had already seen as future what you are doing now. In short, when he washed his disciples' feet, the Son of God said thus to Peter: "What I am doing you do not know; but you will know afterward." By saying "you will know afterward" he pointed to these times. So among the other clauses of the testament he established this clause about water. When he washed his disciples' feet, if Peter had been silent while the rest were silent, he would have given only a pattern of humility and would have pronounced nothing about the sacrament of baptism. But when Peter refuses and does not allow his feet to be washed, Christ denies him the kingdom unless he accepts the service. But when mention was made of the heavenly kingdom, though a part of his body was asked for service, he offered his whole body for washing. Now be present, all you crowds and each of the Christian peoples; learn what is lawful. While Peter challenges, Christ teaches. Let him who doubts learn; for it is Christ's voice: "He who has been washed once has no need to be washed again, because he is wholly clean." And he pronounced about that washing which he had commanded to be celebrated from the Trinity, not that of the Jews or of the heretics, who, while they wash, defile, but about the holy water that flows from the springs of the three names. For so the Lord himself commanded, saying, "Go, baptize all nations in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit." Of this washing he said: "He who has been washed once has no need to be washed again." He who said "once" forbade it to be done again, and he spoke of the thing, not of the person. For if there were a difference, he would say, "He who has been washed well once"; but since he did not add the word "well", he indicates that whatever has been done in the Trinity is well. That is why we receive simply those who come from you. When he says, "has no need to be washed again," this sentence is general, not particular; for if this were said to Peter alone, Christ would say, "Because you have been washed once, you have no need to be washed again." Therefore, whenever anyone baptized by you wishes to pass over to us, we receive him as he comes with complete simplicity, by this teaching and example. For far be it from us ever to exorcize a sound believer; far be it from us to call one already washed back to the font; far be it from us to sin against the Holy Spirit, for which crime pardon is denied both in the present and in the future age; far be it from us to repeat what is once, or to double what is one. For so it is written, as the apostle says: "One God, one Christ, one faith, one dipping." In short, you who strive so gladly, as it seems, to double baptism: if you give a second baptism, give a second faith; if you give a second faith, give also a second Christ; if you give a second Christ, give a second God. You cannot deny that God is one, lest you fall into Marcion's pits. So God is one; from the one God is one Christ. He who is rebaptized was already a Christian; how can he be called a Christian again? "One faith": in this place the single faith is separated from the errors of the heretics and from their varied faith. It is laid down for us too, against you who do again after "once", putting everything in the dowries, nothing in the sacraments, since this name of faith belongs to the believer, not to the worker. For whoever has believed God, whoever questioned him, has believed; and after his one "I believe" you demand a second "I believe." Next follows "one baptism," so that, since what is one is holy, through what is one it may be separated not only from the profane and sacrilegious baptisms of the heretics, but also so that what is one is not doubled, nor what is once repeated.
John 13:7 (quotation, high confidence) · John 13:8–10 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 28:19 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 12:31–32 (allusion, high confidence) · Eph 4:5–6 (quotation, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: Since neither side can judge itself, Optatus appeals to Christ's testament in the gospel: "He who has been washed once has no need to be washed again" and "one faith, one baptism" forbid rebaptism, and Catholics receive Donatist converts without it.
- John 13:7–10 (13:10 in the Latin form "he who has been washed once"); Matt 28:19; Matt 12:31–32; Eph 4:5–6 in a free form ("one God, one Christ, one faith, one dipping"). Optatus's statement that Catholics receive those baptized by Donatists without rebaptism is the Catholic practice of his day, against Cyprian's earlier view.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR dropped a letter; double punctuation; stray full stop): in confinio. senserit → in confinio senserit; qui dum. lauant → qui dum lauant; alterum credo.. deinde → alterum credo. deinde; aut iteretu, quod → aut iteretur, quod.
Topics: Baptism, Trinity, Rebaptism, Donatism
Cite (SBL): Optatus, Parm. 5.3 (CSEL 26:122–126; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/optatus-contra-parmenianum/5-3). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Translation: Translated by Claude from Ziwsa's Latin (CSEL 26, 1893); no public-domain English translation is on disk, so the translation was re-read against the Latin.
5.4CSEL 26:126–129
In hoc sacramento baptismatis celebrando tres esse species constat, quas et uos nec augere nec minuere nec praetermittere poteritis: prima species est in trinitate, secunda in credente, tertia in operante. sed non pari libramine ponderandae sunt singulae. duas enim uideo necessarias et unam quasi necessariam; principalem locum trinitas possidet, sine qua res ipsa non potest geri; hanc sequitur fides credentis; iam persona operantis uicina est, quae simili auctoritate esse non potest. duae priores permanent semper inmutabiles et inmotae; trinitas enim semper ipsa est, fides in singulis una est, uim suam semper retinent ambae. persona uero operantis intellegitur duabus prioribus speciebus par esse non posse, eo quod sola esse uideatur mutabilis. inter nos et uos uultis eiusdem personae esse distantiam et sanctiores uos aestimantes superbiam uestram non dubitatis anteponere trinitati, cum persona operantis mutari possit, trinitas mutari non possit. et cum ab accipientibus baptisma desiderari debeat, uos desiderandos esse proponitis; cum operantes inter alios sitis, ostendite, qualem in eodem mysterio locum habeatis et an ex eodem corpore esse possitis. baptismatis unicum nomen est, cui subest proprium corpus, cui corpori certa sunt membra, quibus nec addi nec auferri aliquid potest; inter quae membra si eligendus operarius inuenitur, totum corpus ad operantem pertinet. haec omnia huius corporis membra et semper et semel secum sunt et mutari non possunt, operarii uero cotidie mutantur et locis et temporibus et personis. neque enim unus homo est, qui semper aut ubique baptizat. in hoc opere iamdudum alii fuerunt, modo alii, postea alii futuri sunt: operarii mutari possunt, sacramenta mutari non possunt. cum ergo uideatis omnes, qui baptizant, operarios esse, non dominos, et sacramenta per se esse sancta, non per homines, quid est, quod uobis tantum uindicatis? quid est, quod deum a muneribus suis excludere contenditis? concedite deo praestare, quae sua sunt. non enim potest id munus ab homine dari, quod diuinum est. si sic putatis, prophetarum uoces et dei promissa inanire contenditis, quibus probatur, quia deus lauat, non homo. adest contra uos Dauid propheta, qui ait in psalmo L: lauabis me et super niuem dealbabor. item in eodem psalmo: deus, laua me ab iniustitia mea et a delicto meo munda me. laua me, dixit, non dixit: elige, per quem lauer, et Esaias propheta sic dixit: quoniam abluet dominus sordes filiorum et filiarum Sion — Sion ecclesiam esse in tertio libro probauimus: ergo deus lauat filios et filias ecclesiae — non dixit: lauabunt hi, qui se sanctos putant. dignamini, ut uel prophetae uos uincant, uel sic agnoscite, quia non lauat homo, sed deus. quamdiu dicitis: qui non habet quod det, quomodo dat? uidete dominum esse datorem, uidete deum unumquemque mundare; sordes enim et maculas mentis lauare non potest nisi deus, qui eiusdem fabricator est mentis. aut si putatis, quia lauacrum uestrum est, dicite, qualis est ipsa mens, quae per corpus lauatur, aut quam habet formam aut quo loco in homine habitet: hoc homini scire negatum est. ergo quomodo putas, quia lauas, qui nescis, quale sit, quod lauas? dei est mundare, non hominis; ipse enim per prophetam Esaiam promisit se loturum, dum ait: et si fuerint peccata uestra uelut coccum, ut niuem inalbabo. inalbabo dixit, non faciam inalbari. si hoc deus promisit, quare uos uultis reddere, quod uobis nec promittere licet nec reddere nec habere? ecce in Esaia se promisit deus inalbare peccatis adfectos, non per hominem. reuertimini ad euangelium, uidete, quid in salutem generis humani sit pollicitus Christus. cui cum mulier Samaritana aquam negaret, tunc a filio dei dictum est, quod praescribat praesumptionibus uestris: aquam, inquit, quam ego do, qui biberit, non sitiet in aeternum. aquam quam ego do, inquit, non dixit: quam dederint, qui se sanctos putant, sicut uobis uidemini, sed se dixit daturum. ipse est ergo, qui dat, ipsius est, quod datur. quid est, quod uobis tota inportunitate uindicare contenditis?
In celebrating this sacrament of baptism there are plainly three elements, which you too will not be able to increase, diminish or pass over. The first element is in the Trinity, the second in the believer, the third in the one who works. But they are not to be weighed each with equal balance. For I see two as necessary and one as quasi-necessary. The Trinity holds the principal place, without which the thing itself cannot be done; the faith of the believer follows it; then the person of the one who works is close by, which cannot be of like authority. The two former remain always unchangeable and unmoved; for the Trinity is always itself, faith is one in each, both always keep their force. But the person of the one who works is understood not to be able to be equal to the two former elements, because it alone appears changeable. You want there to be a difference of this same person between us and you, and thinking yourselves holier, you do not hesitate to put your pride before the Trinity, though the person of the one who works can be changed, the Trinity cannot. And though baptism ought to be desired by those who receive it, you propose that you are to be desired. Since you are workers among others, show what place you have in this same mystery and whether you can be of the same body. Baptism is a single name, under which lies its own body, to which body belong definite members, to which nothing can be added or taken away; if among these members a worker to be chosen is found, the whole body belongs to the one who works. All these members of this body are both always and once with one another and cannot be changed; but the workers change daily, in places and times and persons. For it is not one man who baptizes always or everywhere. In this work there were others long ago, now others, others will be afterward; the workers can be changed, the sacraments cannot be changed. Since, then, you see that all who baptize are workers, not lords, and that the sacraments are holy of themselves, not through men, why do you claim so much for yourselves? Why do you strive to shut God out of his own gifts? Allow God to bestow what is his. For a gift that is divine cannot be given by a man. If you think so, you strive to empty the voices of the prophets and the promises of God, by which it is proved that God washes, not man. Against you stands the prophet David, who says in the fiftieth psalm: "You will wash me and I shall be made whiter than snow"; likewise in the same psalm: "O God, wash me from my injustice and cleanse me from my offense." "Wash me," he said; he did not say, "Choose by whom I am to be washed." And the prophet Isaiah said thus: "For the Lord will wash away the filth of the sons and daughters of Zion" (that Zion is the church we proved in the third book; so God washes the sons and daughters of the church); he did not say, "Those who think themselves holy will wash." Deign to let the prophets at least overcome you, or so recognize that man does not wash, but God. How long will you say, "He who does not have what to give, how does he give?" See that the Lord is the giver; see that God cleanses each one; for the filth and stains of the mind no one can wash except God, who is the maker of that same mind. Or if you think the washing is yours, say what the mind itself is like that is washed through the body, or what form it has, or in what place in a man it dwells: it has been denied to man to know this. So how do you think that you wash, you who do not know what it is you wash? It is God's to cleanse, not man's; for he himself promised through the prophet Isaiah that he would wash, when he says: "And if your sins are like scarlet, I will make them white as snow." "I will make white," he said, not "I will cause to be made white." If God promised this, why do you want to render what you are permitted neither to promise nor to render nor to have? Behold, in Isaiah God promised that he would make white those affected by sins, not through a man. Return to the gospel, see what Christ promised for the salvation of the human race. When the Samaritan woman refused him water, then the Son of God said what refutes your presumptions: "Whoever drinks the water that I give," he says, "will not thirst for ever." "The water that I give," he says; he did not say, "that those will give who think themselves holy," as you seem to yourselves, but he said he would give it. He, then, is the one who gives; what is given is his. Why do you strive with all importunity to claim it for yourselves?
Ps 51:7 (50:9 LXX) (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 51:2 (50:4 LXX) (quotation, high confidence) · Isa 4:4 (quotation, high confidence) · Isa 1:18 (quotation, high confidence) · John 4:13–14 (quotation, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: Baptism has three elements, the Trinity, the believer's faith and the minister; the first two are unchangeable and decisive, while the minister is a changeable worker, since Scripture says that God, not man, washes.
- Ps 51:7 and 51:2 (Latin 50:9, 50:4); Isa 4:4; Isa 1:18; John 4:13–14. "He who does not have what to give, how does he give?" is the Donatist maxim (a minister without the Spirit cannot give it). A stray "10" in the Latin (a leaked line number) is not translated.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (leaked line number; stray full stop; word split in the digital text): uos deside randos → uos desiderandos; uincant, uel. sic → uincant, uel sic; uultis 10 reddere → uultis reddere.
Topics: Baptism, Trinity, Church office, Sacraments, Donatism
Cite (SBL): Optatus, Parm. 5.4 (CSEL 26:126–129; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/optatus-contra-parmenianum/5-4). (abbreviation not yet checked)
Permanent link: https://sophiascriptura.com/p/optatus-contra-parmenianum/5-4
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5.5CSEL 26:129–132
Cum hanc rem cumulet Iohannes Baptista, qui praecursor uenerat saluatoris, cum multos tingeret in paenitentia et remissa peccatorum, nuntiauit filium dei esse uenturum; cuius uerba haec sunt: ecce uenit, qui uos baptizet. et tamen non legimus post Iohannem Christum aliquem rebaptizasse; quod ergo dixit: qui uos baptizet, ueniens Christus illo tempore post Iohannem neminem tinxit. promissum erat temporibus nostris, ut ipse daret, quod hodie datur, secundum quod ait: aquam quam ego do, qui biberit, non sitiet in aeternum. nam et discipuli Iohannis cum dicerent magistro suo: ecce quem baptizasti, baptizat: baptizabat quidem, sed per manus apostolorum, quibus leges baptismatis dederat. denique lectum est alio loco: nam ipse neminem baptizauit, sed discipuli eius. in hac re omnes discipuli eius sumus, ut nos operemur, ut ille det, qui se daturum esse promisit. et tamen cum Iohannes infinita milia hominum baptizaret, iam Christo praesente operabatur seruus et uacabat dominus, antequam baptizandi daret formam. per actum non modicum tempus milia hominum in paenitentia et remissione tincta sunt peccatorum. sed nemo tinctus fuerat in trinitate, nemo adhuc nouerat Christum, nemo audierat esse spiritum sanctum. at ubi uenit tempus plenitudinis, certo tempore dedit leges baptismatis filius dei et dedit uiam, qua iretur ad regna caelorum, etiam tunc praecepit dicens: ite, docete omnes gentes, baptizantes eos in nomine patris et filii et spiritus sancti. ex ea die oportuit fieri, quod mandatum est: ante tempus noluit emendare, quod operatum est, ne licentiam rebaptizandi daret, quamuis alterum fuerit baptisma Iohannis et alterum sit Christi. baptisma Iohannis ante legem pro pleno uoluit esse, quod non erat plenum; et tamen supra memorata milia hominum, quia in deum crediderant, quamuis ignorarent filium dei et spiritum sanctum, regnum caelorum eis denegare non potuit. inde est uox filii dei dicentis: a diebus Iohannis usque in hodiernum regnum dei uim patitur; et qui uim faciunt, diripiunt illud. ideo dixit: uim faciunt, quia adhuc baptizabat Iohannes. denique quia alterum tempus erat ante praecepta, alterum post praecepta, qui post praecepta in nomine saluatoris baptizati sunt, in regnum legibus intrauerunt; qui ante praecepta, sine lege uim fecerunt, sed exclusi non sunt. ergo ante praecepta baptisma Iohannis cum esset inperfectum, pro perfecto iudicatum est ab eo, cui nemo iudicat, et quia quasi quidam limes fixus esset iussionis inter tempora antecedentia et sequentia. cum apud Ephesum baptizarentur aliqui in baptismate Iohannis post praecepta, hos uidens beatissimus Paulus interrogauit an accepissent spiritum sanctum. dixerunt se illi nescire, an esset spiritus sanctus, et dixit illis, ut post baptisma Iohannis acciperent spiritum sanctum. sic enim baptizati erant, quemadmodum multi a Iohanne fuerant baptizati. sed qui ante legem baptizati sunt, ad indulgentiam pertinuerunt, quia praesens fuerat, qui indulgentiam daret; non erant ex toto rei, qui legibus non fuerant occupati. hi uero, qui apud Ephesum post legem Iohannis baptismate baptizati fuisse leguntur, post leges in sacramento errauerant, quia iam introductum fuerat baptisma domini et exclusum fuerat serui. et ideo, quia post mandata diuina legibus debuerant ire in regnum, non per uiolentiam: iam enim terminum temporis fixerat Christus dicendo: a diebus Iohannis usque in hodiernum. post hodiernum iam non licebat, quod heri licuit. quare nolite uobis blandiri de dicto apostoli Pauli, qui non post personam operarii interrogauit, sed post rem, cui res, non persona displicuit. denique baptisma saluatoris iussit, ut discerent, qui non nouerant, quia non ipsum, sed aliud acceperant. uos uero quid inmutatis? si res potuistis mutare, recte feceritis, si tamen de lege aliquid feceritis. Paulus dixit: in quo baptismate baptizati estis? et dixerunt illi: Iohannis; persuasit eis, ut baptisma Christi acciperent. uos non dicitis: quid accepistis, sed a quo accepistis, et insectamini personas hominum et uultis iterare, quod semel est. qui baptizati erant apud Ephesum, crediderant in paenitentiam et remissionem peccatorum; recte illis dictum est, ut baptizarentur in nomine patris et filii et spiritus sancti. uos uero quid mutatis in hominibus, qui iam dixerunt se credidisse in nomine patris et filii et spiritus sancti? siue ipsum interrogetis, siue aliud, conuincamini necesse est peccare uos, siue illud interrogetis, quod iussum non est, siue hoc uelitis facere, quod iam factum est.
John the Baptist adds to this, who had come as forerunner of the Savior. When he was dipping many for repentance and the remission of sins, he announced that the Son of God would come; his words are these: "Behold, he comes who will baptize you." And yet we do not read that after John Christ rebaptized anyone. So as to what he said, "who will baptize you": Christ, coming at that time, dipped no one after John. It was promised for our times, that he himself would give what is given today, according to what he says: "Whoever drinks the water that I give will not thirst for ever." For when John's disciples said to their master, "Behold, the one you baptized is baptizing," he was indeed baptizing, but through the hands of the apostles, to whom he had given the laws of baptism. In short, we read in another place: "For he himself baptized no one, but his disciples." In this matter we are all his disciples, so that we may work, so that he may give, who promised that he would give. And yet, while John was baptizing countless thousands of men, with Christ already present, the servant was working and the Lord was at rest, before he gave the form of baptizing. For no short time thousands of men were dipped for repentance and the remission of sins. But no one had been dipped in the Trinity, no one yet knew Christ, no one had heard that there is a Holy Spirit. But when the time of fullness came, at a fixed time the Son of God gave the laws of baptism and gave the way by which one might go to the kingdom of heaven; and then he commanded, saying, "Go, teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit." From that day what was commanded had to be done. He would not correct what had been done before the time, lest he give license to rebaptize, although John's baptism was one thing and Christ's is another. He wished John's baptism, before the law, to count as full, though it was not full; and yet he could not deny the kingdom of heaven to the thousands of men mentioned above, because they had believed in God, though they did not know the Son of God and the Holy Spirit. Hence the voice of the Son of God saying: "From the days of John until today the kingdom of God suffers violence, and those who do violence seize it." He said "do violence" because John was still baptizing. In short, since one time was before the precepts and another after the precepts, those who were baptized in the name of the Savior after the precepts entered the kingdom by the laws; those before the precepts did violence without law, but they were not shut out. So before the precepts John's baptism, though imperfect, was judged as perfect by him whom no one judges, and because a kind of boundary of the command had been fixed between the preceding and following times. When at Ephesus some were baptized in John's baptism after the precepts, the most blessed Paul, seeing them, asked whether they had received the Holy Spirit. They told him that they did not know whether there was a Holy Spirit, and he told them to receive the Holy Spirit after John's baptism. For they had been baptized as many had been baptized by John. But those who were baptized before the law belonged to pardon, because he who could give pardon was present; those who had not been bound by the laws were not wholly guilty. But those who are read to have been baptized at Ephesus with John's baptism after the law had erred in the sacrament after the laws, because the Lord's baptism had already been brought in and the servant's shut out; and therefore, because after the divine commands they ought to have gone into the kingdom by the laws, not by violence; for Christ had already fixed the limit of the time, by saying "from the days of John until today." After "today" what was lawful yesterday was no longer lawful. So do not flatter yourselves with the saying of the apostle Paul, who did not ask about the person of the worker but about the thing, whom the thing displeased, not the person. In short, he ordered the baptism of the Savior, so that those who did not know might learn that they had received not that, but something else. But what do you change? If you were able to change the thing, you would have done rightly, if indeed you did anything according to the law. Paul said, "In what baptism were you baptized?" and they said to him, "John's"; he persuaded them to receive the baptism of Christ. You do not say, "What did you receive?" but "From whom did you receive it?" and you persecute the persons of men and want to repeat what is once. Those who were baptized at Ephesus had believed for repentance and the remission of sins; it was rightly said to them that they should be baptized in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. But what do you change in men who have already said that they believed in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit? Whether you ask the same thing or something else, you must be convicted of sinning, whether you ask what was not commanded or want to do what has already been done.
Mark 1:8 (quotation, medium confidence) · Matt 3:11 (quotation, medium confidence) · John 4:14 (quotation, high confidence) · John 3:26 (quotation, high confidence) · John 4:2 (quotation, high confidence) · Gal 4:4 (allusion, low confidence) · Matt 28:19 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 11:12 (quotation, high confidence) · Acts 19:1–6 (allusion, high confidence)
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Summary: Christ did not rebaptize those baptized by John; Paul's rebaptism of John's disciples at Ephesus concerned a different baptism, not a different minister, so it gives no warrant for repeating baptism in the Trinity.
- Matt 3:11 / Mark 1:8 (freely); John 4:14; John 3:26; John 4:2; Gal 4:4 ("fullness of time"); Matt 28:19; Matt 11:12; Acts 19:1–6. The Latin "_.acceperant" has a stray mark.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (stray marks): aliud _.acceperant → aliud acceperant.
Topics: Baptism, Trinity, Rebaptism, The Holy Spirit
Cite (SBL): Optatus, Parm. 5.5 (CSEL 26:129–132; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/optatus-contra-parmenianum/5-5). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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5.6CSEL 26:132–133
Redeo nunc ad illud uestrum, quod dicitis: qui non habet, quod det, quomodo dat? unde haec uox est, de qua lectione recitari potest? uox est de uico conlecta, non de libro lecta: qui non habet, quod det, quomodo dat? haec uerba in lege scripta non sunt; nam si, ut uultis, homo dat, deus uacat, et si deus uacat, et apud uos est omne, quod dandum est, ad uos sit conuersio; quos baptizatis, in nomine uestro tingantur. erubescite beatissimo Paulo clamanti et suam gratulationem profitenti: numquid in nomine meo baptizati estis? ille gaudet, quod duos solos et unam domum baptizauerit; et uos populos rebaptizare contenditis et peccasse uos et peccare gaudetis dicentes: quid dat, qui non habet, quod det? cui creditur, ipse dat, quod creditur, non per quem creditur. denique sub Iohanne infinita multitudo hominum baptizata est; probate Iohannem aut accepisse aut habuisse, quod daret. illo autem operante dabat deus, qui dando non deficit; et nunc operantibus cunctis humana sunt opera, sed dei sunt munera.
I return now to that saying of yours: "He who does not have what to give, how does he give?" Where does this saying come from, from what reading can it be recited? It is a saying gathered from the street, not read from a book: "He who does not have what to give, how does he give?" These words are not written in the law. For if, as you wish, man gives and God is idle, and if God is idle and everything that is to be given is with you, let conversion be to you; let those whom you baptize be dipped in your name. Blush before the most blessed Paul, who cries out and professes his own rejoicing: "Were you baptized in my name?" He rejoices that he baptized only two and one household; and you strive to rebaptize peoples, and rejoice that you have sinned and are sinning, saying, "What does he give who does not have what to give?" He in whom one believes gives what is believed, not he through whom one believes. In short, under John a countless multitude of men was baptized; prove that John either received or had what he might give. But while he worked, God gave, who does not fail in giving; and now, while all work, the works are human, but the gifts are God's.
1 Cor 1:13–16 (quotation, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: The Donatist maxim "How can one who does not have give?" is not in Scripture; God, not the minister, gives in baptism, as Paul and John the Baptist show.
- 1 Cor 1:13–16.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR slip): gratulationem prontenti → gratulationem profitenti.
Topics: Baptism
Cite (SBL): Optatus, Parm. 5.6 (CSEL 26:132–133; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/optatus-contra-parmenianum/5-6). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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5.7CSEL 26:133–137
Iam illud quam ridiculum est, quod quasi ad gloriam uestram a uobis semper auditur: hoc munus baptismatis esse dantis, non accipientis. et utinam hoc de deo diceretis, qui huius rei dator est! sed quod stultum est, uos dicitis esse datores. si ita est, et nos et uos teneamus singulos gentiles: uos, qui uos sanctos dicitis, interrogate eum, quem tenetis, an renuntiet diabolo et credat domino; et ille dicat: nolo. contra nos peccatores, ut uultis, interrogemus alterum gentilem, an renuntiet diabolo et credat deo, et cetera, et dicat: renuntio et credo, et cetera. cum uos tingatis nolentem, nos uolentem, dicatur, quis eorum possit ad dei gratiam pertinere. utique sine dubio ille consequitur, qui credit, non ille, pro cuius uoluntate, ut dicitis, sanctitas uestra succedit. operarios uos esse uel sero cognoscite, aut si in operario est res ipsa, et non in se, hoc sibi uindicent aliqui homines in artibus suis, ut, quia sic prouocatis, ad res diuinas etiam artes conparemus humanas. cum pretiosus inficitur color, natura saepe conuertitur, dum confectione uellus candidum purpurascit. sic alba lana regalem transit in purpuram, quomodo catechumenus in fidelem. utique dum incipit esse, quod non erat, desinit esse, quod fuerat. lana et colorem mutat et nomen, et homo et uocabulum mutat et mentem. consideranda sunt effecta, retractanda sunt efficientia. dicis a te datum esse, quod homo fidelis effectus est. si hoc totum tuum est, dicat et operarius artifex purpurae, quod pretiosum colorem in suis manibus habeat et non procuret pretiosa pigmenta ex Oceano multis ignota, quibus tincta uellera per colorem promoueantur in admirabilem dignitatem, non admixto sanguine piscis purpuram solo tactu conficiat. si igitur operarius iste per tactum solum dare colorem non potest, sic nec operarius baptismatis ex se sine trinitate dare aliquid potest. tale est et hoc, unde modo certamen est. nam in quo baptizentur gentes, a saluatore mandatum est; per quem baptizentur, nulla exceptione discretum est. non dixit apostolis: uos facite, alii non faciant, quisquis in nomine patris et filii et spiritus sancti baptizauerit, apostolorum opus inpleuit. denique lectum est in euangelio Iohanne dicente: magister, uidimus quendam in nomine tuo expellentem daemonia et prohibuimus eum, quia non sequitur nobiscum. sic Christus ait: nolite prohibere; qui enim non est contra uos, pro uobis est. nam et ipsis sic mandatum est, ut opus esset illorum sanctificatio trinitatis; nec in nomine suo tingerent, sed in nomine patris et filii et spiritus sancti: ergo nomen est, quod sanctificat, non opus. intellegite uos uel sero operarios esse, non dominos. et si ecclesia uinea est et uites sunt homines et ordinati cultores, quid in dominium patris familias inruitis? quid uobis, quod dei est, uindicatis? quid uultis uestrum esse totum, ubi nec partem habere potestis? nam propter tumorem uestrum, quo in nos intumescitis, increpat Corinthios beatissimus Paulus: in se et Apollo actus temporis nostri conformat: ne alter, inquit, in alterum intumescat. ut ostenderet, quia hoc totum sacramentum baptismatis dei est, ut illic sibi nihil uindicet operarius, sic ait: ego quidem plantaui — hoc est: de pagano catechumenum feci — Apollo rigauit — hoc est: ille catechumenum baptizauit. sed ut cresceret, quod plantatum aut inrigatum est, deus fecit. nam et quiuis hodie uolens uineam suam pastinare operarium placita mercede conducit, qui curuato dorso et desudatis lateribus sinus terrae faciat, ubi deponat electa plantaria, et aquam calcatis scrobibus superducat. scrobem fodere et plantaria ponere potest; aquam inducere potest; imperare, ut teneat, non potest; est enim hoc solius dei de medullis palmitum producere radices coalescentes in terram et gemmantes oculos, incrementa frondium prouocare. denique beatus apostolus Paulus, ut uestram praesumptionem tumoremque conpesceret, ne se aestimet operarius baptismatis aut dominium habere, aut de tanto isto munere particulam sibi aliquam uindicare, indicans, quia totum dei est, sic ait: neque quia plantat neque qui rigat, est aliquid, sed solus deus, qui ad incrementa perducit. operarii inter alios estis intrante sole, hoc est finito saeculo potestis in die retributionis nobiscum de mercede contendere. nolite uobis maiestatis dominium uindicare. nam si ita est, uindicent sibi et ministri, qui mensae dominicae famulantur, ut pro humanitate exhibita ab inuitatis gratulatio eis referatur. Christi uox est inuitantis: uenite, benedicti patris mei, percipite regnum, quod uobis paratum est ab origine mundi. ueniunt gentes ad gratiam; exhibet ille, qui inuitare dignatus est; ministerium exercet turba famulorum; non famulantibus, sed pascenti referendae sunt gratiae. uos cum ministri sitis, inuerecunde totum uobis conuiuii dominium uindicatis, cum se et ceteros beatissimus Paulus famulos cum humilitate fateatur; ne quis putaret in solis apostolis aut episcopis spem suam esse ponendam, sic ait: quid est enim Paulus uel quid Apollo? utique ministri eius, in quem credidistis. est ergo in uniuersis seruientibus non dominium, sed ministerium. uides ergo iam, frater Parmeniane, ex tribus speciebus supra memoratis illam primo tripartitam esse inmotam, inuictam et inmutabilem operantis uero temporariam esse personam.
Now how ridiculous is that which is always heard from you as if to your glory: that this gift of baptism belongs to the giver, not to the receiver. And would that you said this of God, who is the giver of this thing! But, what is foolish, you say that you are the givers. If so, let us and you each take a pagan. You, who call yourselves holy, ask the one you hold whether he renounces the devil and believes in the Lord; and let him say, "I will not." On the other side, let us sinners, as you would have it, ask another pagan whether he renounces the devil and believes in God, and the rest, and let him say, "I renounce and I believe," and the rest. Since you dip the unwilling one and we the willing one, let it be said which of them can belong to the grace of God. Surely, without doubt, he obtains it who believes, not he for whose will, as you say, your holiness substitutes. Recognize, even late, that you are workers; or if the thing itself is in the worker and not in itself, let some men claim this for themselves in their crafts, so that, since you provoke us so, we may compare human crafts with divine things too. When a precious color is dyed in, nature is often changed, as by the process a white fleece turns purple. So white wool passes into royal purple, as a catechumen into one of the faithful. Surely, as it begins to be what it was not, it ceases to be what it had been. The wool changes both color and name; and the man changes both his name and his mind. The effects must be considered, the things that produce them examined. You say that it was given by you that a man was made one of the faithful. If this is all yours, let the workman who is a craftsman in purple also say that he has the precious color in his hands and does not procure the precious dyes from the Ocean, unknown to many, by which fleeces dyed are promoted by color into an admirable dignity, and let him make purple by touch alone, without mixing in the blood of the fish. If, then, this workman cannot give color by touch alone, so neither can the workman of baptism give anything of himself without the Trinity. Such is this too about which the dispute now is. For in what the nations are to be baptized was commanded by the Savior; by whom they are to be baptized was not distinguished by any exception. He did not say to the apostles, "You do it; let others not do it." Whoever has baptized in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit has fulfilled the work of the apostles. In short, we read in the gospel, John saying: "Master, we saw someone casting out demons in your name, and we forbade him, because he does not follow with us." So Christ said: "Do not forbid him; for he who is not against you is for you." For it was commanded to the apostles themselves in such a way that the work was theirs, the sanctification the Trinity's; and they were not to dip in their own name, but in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. So it is the name that sanctifies, not the work. Understand, even late, that you are workers, not lords. And if the church is a vineyard, and the vines are men, and the ordained are the cultivators, why do you rush into the ownership of the householder? Why do you claim for yourselves what is God's? Why do you want the whole to be yours, where you cannot have even a part? For on account of the swelling with which you swell against us, the most blessed Paul rebukes the Corinthians; in himself and Apollos he shapes the acts of our time: "Let not one," he says, "swell against another." To show that this whole sacrament of baptism is God's, so that the worker claims nothing for himself there, he says: "I planted" (that is, I made a catechumen out of a pagan), "Apollos watered" (that is, he baptized the catechumen); but that what was planted or watered should grow, God did. For today too anyone who wishes to plant his vineyard hires a worker at an agreed wage, who with bent back and sweating sides makes hollows in the earth, where he may set the chosen cuttings, and brings water over the trodden trenches. He can dig a trench and set cuttings; he can bring water; he cannot order it to take root; for it belongs to God alone to bring forth from the pith of the shoots roots that grow together into the earth, and to call forth budding eyes and the increase of leaves. In short, the blessed apostle Paul, to check your presumption and swelling, so that the worker of baptism should not think that he has ownership or claim for himself any small part of so great a gift, showing that it is all God's, says thus: "Neither he who plants nor he who waters is anything, but God alone, who brings to growth." You are workers among others; when the sun goes in, that is, when the world is ended, on the day of recompense you can contend with us over the wage. Do not claim for yourselves the ownership of the majesty. For if that is so, let the servants too who wait on the Lord's table claim for themselves that thanks be returned to them by the guests for the hospitality shown. It is the voice of Christ inviting: "Come, blessed of my Father, receive the kingdom that has been prepared for you from the beginning of the world." The nations come to grace; he provides who deigned to invite; the crowd of servants does the serving; thanks are to be returned not to those who serve but to the one who feeds. You, though you are servants, shamelessly claim for yourselves the whole ownership of the banquet, though the most blessed Paul confesses with humility that he and the rest are servants; lest anyone should think that his hope must be placed in the apostles or bishops alone, he says thus: "For what is Paul, or what is Apollos? Surely ministers of him in whom you have believed." So in all who serve there is not lordship but ministry. You see now, then, brother Parmenian, that of the three elements mentioned above, the first, threefold, is unmoved, unconquered and unchangeable, but the person of the one who works is temporary.
Mark 9:38–40 (quotation, high confidence) · Luke 9:49–50 (quotation, medium confidence) · Matt 28:19 (allusion, high confidence) · 1 Cor 4:6 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Cor 3:6–7 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 20:1–8 (allusion, low confidence) · Matt 25:34 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Cor 3:5 (quotation, high confidence)
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Summary: Baptism's gift belongs to God, not the minister: the minister is a workman, like a dyer who cannot give color without the dye, or a vinedresser who cannot make the vine grow, as Paul says of himself and Apollos.
- Mark 9:38–40 / Luke 9:49–50 (Optatus's form); 1 Cor 4:6; 1 Cor 3:6–7 with Optatus's glosses (planting = making a catechumen, watering = baptizing); Matt 20:1–16 (the wage); Matt 25:34; 1 Cor 3:5. The renunciation and questions ("Do you renounce the devil?... I believe") are those of the baptismal rite. The purple dye came from the murex shellfish ("the blood of the fish").
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR slip; double punctuation; stray full stop): quod quasi ad gloriam uestram a uobis semper auditur: ho.c → quod quasi ad gloriam uestram a uobis semper auditur: hoc; singulos gentiles:. → singulos gentiles:; nulla exceptione diacretum → nulla exceptione discretum; in euangelio lohanne dicente → in euangelio Iohanne dicente.
Topics: Baptism, Trinity, Church office, Donatism, Catechumens and catechesis
Cite (SBL): Optatus, Parm. 5.7 (CSEL 26:133–137; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/optatus-contra-parmenianum/5-7). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Translation: Translated by Claude from Ziwsa's Latin (CSEL 26, 1893); no public-domain English translation is on disk, so the translation was re-read against the Latin.
5.8CSEL 26:137–139
Restat iam de credentis merito aliquid dicere, cuius est fides, quam filius dei et sanctitati suae anteposuit et maiestati. non enim potestis sanctiores esse, quam Christus est; ad quem cum mulier illa ueniret, cuius filia erat mortua, et rogaret, ut suscitaretur, nihil promisit de uirtute sua, sed post fidem interrogat alienam, ut, si mulier crederet, pro matris credulitate filia surgeret, si non crederet, uirtus filii dei feriata cessaret. interrogatur mulier, respondit se credere fieri posse, quod rogabat. iubetur ire, redit ad domum mulier, inuenit puellam uiuam, quam dimiserat mortuam. non ruit in oscula, non properat in amplexus, sed redit, ut saluatori gratias ageret; et ut ostenderet filius dei se uacasse, fidem tantummodo operatam esse: uade, inquit, mulier, in pace, fides tua te saluauit. ubi est, quod dicitis: dantis est, non accipientis? quid uobis uidetur et centurionis fides? cuius puer cum male haberet, saluatorem petiit, ut ab eo mortem repelleret. iam Christus pereuntem ueniebat ad puerum; sic eum centurio tenuit, ut indignitatem tecti sui confessus, quod filius dei totus non deberet intrare, sed suam uirtutem mittere, qua puer fugata morte reuiuiscere potuisset. non fortitudo centurionis, non sapientia laudata est, sed fides: et curatus est puer in illa hora. certe dantis est, non accipientis multa sunt huiusmodi in euangelio de fide perfecta, sed uel tria conplenda sunt fidei testimonia. quid uobis uidetur et illa mulier, quae de secreto causae feminarum, cum per annos duodecim laboraret et omnem substantiam suam in medicos erogasset, cum uideret a filio dei tantas celebrari uirtutes, processit in turbam, uidet medicum, uidet et populum. cogebat illam dolor, ut medicinam peteret, pudor inpediebat, ne causam suam coram masculis indicaret. inuenit consilium tacita fides. mittam, inquit, manum meam et tangam fimbriam uestimenti huius, et sana fiam. nemine uidente inter turbas manum misit, tetigit et sanata est; nec ausa est indicare, quod ausa non fuerat petere. sed ne fructus fidei apud ignorantes latere uideretur, sic saluator ait: quis me tetigit? mirati sunt discipuli eius dicentes: turbae te conprimunt; tu dicis: quis me tetigit? et Christus: quis me, inquam, tetigit? sensi a me exisse uirtutem. sic mulier confessa est se tetigisse et sanam esse. iamdudum pro filia mater petiit, pro puero centurio postulauit; hoc loco nec mulier petiit, nec Christus promisit, sed fides quantum praesumpsit, exegit: certe dantis est, non accipientis.
It remains now to say something of the merit of the believer, to whom belongs faith, which the Son of God set before both his holiness and his majesty. For you cannot be holier than Christ is. When that woman whose daughter was dead came to him and asked that she be raised, he promised nothing about his own power, but asks after another's faith, so that, if the woman believed, the daughter would rise because of her mother's belief; if she did not believe, the power of the Son of God would rest idle. The woman is asked; she answered that she believed that what she asked could be done. She is told to go; the woman returns home and finds alive the girl she had left dead. She does not rush into kisses, does not hurry into embraces, but goes back to give thanks to the Savior. And to show that the Son of God had been at rest and that faith alone had worked, he says, "Go in peace, woman; your faith has saved you." Where is what you say, "It belongs to the giver, not to the receiver"? What do you think of the centurion's faith too? When his servant was ill, he asked the Savior to drive death from him. Christ was already coming to the dying servant; the centurion stopped him, confessing the unworthiness of his roof, that the Son of God should not enter wholly but send his power, by which the servant, death put to flight, could revive. Not the centurion's strength, not his wisdom, was praised, but his faith; and the servant was healed in that hour. Certainly, "it belongs to the giver, not to the receiver"! There are many such things in the gospel about perfect faith, but at least three testimonies of faith should be completed. What do you think of that woman too who, from the secret cause of women, had suffered for twelve years and spent all her substance on physicians, when she saw such great mighty works done by the Son of God, came forward into the crowd: she sees the physician, she sees also the people. Pain urged her to seek a cure; shame hindered her from telling her cause before men. Silent faith found a plan: "I will put out my hand," she says, "and touch the fringe of his garment, and I shall be made well." With no one seeing, she put out her hand among the crowds, touched, and was healed; nor did she dare to tell what she had not dared to ask. But lest the fruit of faith should seem hidden among those who did not know, the Savior said thus: "Who touched me?" His disciples wondered, saying, "The crowds press you, and you say, Who touched me?" And Christ: "Who touched me, I say? I felt power go out from me." So the woman confessed that she had touched and was well. Earlier the mother asked for her daughter, the centurion requested for his servant; in this place neither did the woman ask nor did Christ promise, but faith exacted as much as it presumed. Certainly, "it belongs to the giver, not to the receiver"!
Matt 9:18–26 (allusion, medium confidence) · Mark 7:24–30 (allusion, medium confidence) · Mark 5:34 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 8:5–13 (allusion, high confidence) · Mark 5:25–34 (quotation, high confidence) · Luke 8:43–48 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 9:20–22 (allusion, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: The gospel healings show that faith, not the holiness of the one who acts, brings the gift: the mother whose daughter was raised, the centurion, and the woman with the flow of blood.
- Optatus's account of the dead daughter combines Jairus's daughter (Matt 9:18–26; Mark 5:22–43) with the Syrophoenician woman (Matt 15:21–28; Mark 7:24–30) and the words to the woman with the hemorrhage ("go in peace, your faith has saved you", Mark 5:34; Luke 8:48). The centurion: Matt 8:5–13. The woman with the flow of blood: Matt 9:20–22; Mark 5:25–34; Luke 8:43–48. "Certainly, it belongs to the giver..." is ironic. A stray "10" in the Latin (a leaked line number) is not translated.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR slip; leaked line number; stray punctuation; word division and OCR slip): fieri posse; quod rogabat → fieri posse, quod rogabat; fidem tantummodo 10 operatam → fidem tantummodo operatam; inuenit consilium tacita tides → inuenit consilium tacita fides; et sanafiam → et sana fiam.
Topics: Baptism, Faith, Miracles
Cite (SBL): Optatus, Parm. 5.8 (CSEL 26:137–139; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/optatus-contra-parmenianum/5-8). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Translation: Translated by Claude from Ziwsa's Latin (CSEL 26, 1893); no public-domain English translation is on disk, so the translation was re-read against the Latin.
5.9CSEL 26:139–140
Nam quod ad amplificandos tractatus tuos, frater Parmeniane, Naaman Syrum quasi inmaturam quandam durissimorum nascentium uulnerum massam diu describere uoluisti, quid hoc ad praesentem pertinet causam? bene hoc diceres et longa oratione recte uti potuisses, si inuenires aliquem catechumenum scabrosissimis moribus, qui gereret durissimam mentem, qui lenissimam gratiam aquae salutaris accipere detrectaret. bene hominis innouationem uerbis a te dictis ostenderes, bene ueternosam naturalem duritiam in infantilem carnem inmutari ac molliri posse monstrares. in hoc uero negotio, quod inter partes tempore praesenti tractatur, ut quid a te talis commemorata est lectio? in qua non legitur aliquis illum leprosum Syrum ante dictum uel iussione Helisaei lauisse, ut merito denuo melius lauaretur. quod et si fieret, nec sic nobis occurreret, quod recte imitari possetis. non enim legitur ille prius lauisse in fluminibus Syriae aut ab aliquo lotus esse et nihil profecisse. nam et si hoc legeretur non ad Helisaei laudem, qui non lauit, sed consilium dedit, sed ad Iordanis gloriam pertineret, illi homini in eo flumine primitiuam gratiam prouenisse, in quo postea sub Iohanne per confessionem in paenitentiam populorum peccata fuerant moritura.
As for your wish, brother Parmenian, to amplify your treatises by describing at length Naaman the Syrian, as a sort of unripe mass of very hard growing sores, what does this have to do with the present case? You would have said this well and could rightly have used a long speech, if you found some catechumen of very rough morals, who had a very hard mind, who refused to receive the very gentle grace of the saving water. You would show well the renewal of the man by the words you said; you would show well that an aged natural hardness can be changed and softened into a child's flesh. But in this business that is now being discussed between the parties, why was such a reading mentioned by you? In it we do not read that anyone washed that leprous Syrian before, even by Elisha's order, so that he might rightly be washed better a second time. And even if that happened, not even so would it meet us with anything you could rightly imitate. For we do not read that he first washed in the rivers of Syria, or was washed by anyone and gained nothing. For even if this were read, it would belong not to the praise of Elisha, who did not wash him but gave counsel, but to the glory of the Jordan, that the first grace came to that man in the river in which afterward, under John, the sins of the peoples were to die through confession for repentance.
2 Kgs 5:1–14 (allusion, high confidence) · Matt 3:6 (allusion, medium confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: Parmenian's use of Naaman the Syrian proves nothing for rebaptism, since Naaman was washed only once and the credit belongs to the Jordan, not to Elisha.
- 2 Kgs 5:1–14 ("his flesh was restored like the flesh of a little child", 5:14).
Cite (SBL): Optatus, Parm. 5.9 (CSEL 26:139–140; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/optatus-contra-parmenianum/5-9). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Translation: Translated by Claude from Ziwsa's Latin (CSEL 26, 1893); no public-domain English translation is on disk, so the translation was re-read against the Latin.
5.10CSEL 26:140–141
Postremo qualis est illa pars tractatus tui de caelestibus nuptiis, ubi spem amputans futurorum totum in praesenti tempore posuisti dicendo a societate uestra proiectum esse eum, qui ianitores et ministros fefellerit uestros, ut a communione fidelium foras cum iniuria mitteretur. si ita est, nihil est, quod speret fides, nihil, quod resurrectio repraesentet, nihil, quod in caelis amplius expectetur, nihil, quod rex ille [caelestis] et pater familias deus in suo conuiuio agnoscat, cum praesentia multorum gaudeat et de aliquorum absentia contristetur. et multos dicat uocatos, paucos uero electos; nihil erit, quod irascatur uestem nuptialem non habenti, cum filius dei ipse Christus sit sponsus et uestis et tunica natans in aqua, quae multos uestiat et infinitos expectet nec uestiendo deficiat. sed ne quis dicat temere a me filium dei uestem esse dictum, legat apostolum dicentem: quotquot in nomine Christi baptizati estis, Christum induistis. o tunica semper una et inmutabilis, quae decenter uestiat et omnes aetates et formas nec in infantibus rugatur nec in iuuenibus tenditur nec in feminis inmutatur! aderit profecto ille dies, ut caelestes nuptiae incipiant celebrari; illic qui baptisma singulare seruauerint, securi discumbent. nam quicumque a uobis se rebaptizari consenserit, huiusmodi homini non denegatur resurrectio, quia credidit in resurrectionem carnis; resurget quidem, sed nudus. sed quia nuptiali ueste a uobis se expoliari permisit, hanc patris familias auditurus est uocem amice — hoc est dicere: agnosco te — aliquando renuntiaueras diabolo et ad me conuersus fueras et dederam tibi uestem nuptialem; ut quid sic uenisti non habens, quod tibi dedi? hoc est dicere: quare non habes, quod tibi dedi? nemo enim potest irasci non habenti rem, quae data non sit. uestem nuptialem inter istos acceperas et solus non habes? quare nudus et lugubris uenisti? quis tibi detraxit spolia? quas fraudulentas adisti fauces? quos incurristi latrones? quotquot tales uenturi sunt, locum in illo conuiuio non habebunt.
Finally, what kind of thing is that part of your treatise about the heavenly wedding, where, cutting off the hope of things to come, you put everything in the present time, by saying that he has been thrown out of your society who deceived your doorkeepers and ministers, so that he was sent out from the communion of the faithful with injury? If that is so, there is nothing for faith to hope, nothing for the resurrection to bring, nothing more to be awaited in heaven, nothing for that King and householder, God, to recognize at his banquet, when he rejoices in the presence of many and is saddened by the absence of some, and says that many are called but few chosen. There will be nothing for him to be angry at in one who does not have a wedding garment, since the Son of God, Christ himself, is the bridegroom and the garment, a tunic swimming in water, which clothes many and awaits countless more and does not run out in clothing them. But lest anyone say that I have rashly called the Son of God a garment, let him read the apostle saying: "As many as have been baptized in the name of Christ have put on Christ." O tunic always one and unchangeable, which fittingly clothes all ages and shapes, which is neither wrinkled on infants nor stretched on young men nor changed on women! That day will surely come when the heavenly wedding begins to be celebrated; there those who have kept the single baptism will recline secure. For whoever consents to be rebaptized by you, to such a man the resurrection is not denied, because he believed in the resurrection of the flesh; he will rise indeed, but naked. But since he allowed himself to be stripped of the wedding garment by you, he will hear this voice of the householder: "Friend" (that is to say, "I recognize you"; you had once renounced the devil and turned to me, and I had given you a wedding garment), "why did you come in thus, not having what I gave you?" That is to say, "Why do you not have what I gave you?" For no one can be angry at one who does not have a thing that was not given. "You had received the wedding garment among these, and you alone do not have it? Why have you come naked and mourning? Who stripped you of your spoils? What deceitful jaws did you approach? What robbers did you run into?" As many as come in such a state will have no place at that banquet.
Textual problem in this passage: see the notes.
Matt 22:1–14 (allusion, high confidence) · Matt 22:12 (quotation, high confidence) · Gal 3:27 (quotation, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: Against Parmenian's reading of the wedding parable, Optatus says the wedding garment is Christ, put on once in baptism; the rebaptized will rise, but stripped of it.
- Matt 22:1–14; Gal 3:27 ("in the name of Christ" for "into Christ"). Optatus's statement that the rebaptized will rise "naked" and have no place at the banquet is translated exactly. The editor deletes "caelestis" (bracketed).
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR slip; stray full stop; stray mark): nec in jnfantibus → nec in infantibus; securi discumbent. nam. quicumque → securi discumbent. nam quicumque; hoc est diccre: agnosco → hoc est dicere: agnosco; locum in illo conuiuio non habebunt.- → locum in illo conuiuio non habebunt..
Topics: Baptism, Eschatology, Rebaptism, The last judgment
Cite (SBL): Optatus, Parm. 5.10 (CSEL 26:140–141; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/optatus-contra-parmenianum/5-10). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Translation: Translated by Claude from Ziwsa's Latin (CSEL 26, 1893); no public-domain English translation is on disk, so the translation was re-read against the Latin.
5.11CSEL 26:141–142
Et ut uel sero conpendium faciam, credo etiam hoc sufficere; etsi tot probationes minime diceremus: uobis absentibus uerbo tenus baptizati sunt mille: ex his sorte sua defuncti sunt centum. abstinete paulisper ab hoc scelere manus. sanctitas, ut dicitis, uestra primo resuscitet sepultos, emendet, si potest, mortuos et sic reuertatur ad uiuos. si mortuos suscitare non potestis, ut quid uiuentibus conamini manus inferre, nisi ut conpleatur, quod per Ezechielem prophetam de uobis locutus est deus dicens: ut occiderent animas, quas non oportuit mori.
And to make a summary, even late, I believe this too suffices, even if we had not given so many proofs: suppose a thousand were baptized in your absence by word of mouth; of these, a hundred have died by their own lot. Keep your hands off this crime for a little. Let your holiness, as you call it, first raise the buried, correct the dead, if it can, and so return to the living. If you cannot raise the dead, why do you try to lay hands on the living, except that what God spoke of you through the prophet Ezekiel may be fulfilled, saying, "to kill souls that ought not to die"?
Ezek 13:19 (quotation, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: If Catholic baptism were void, those baptized by Catholics who have died would be lost; since the Donatists cannot rebaptize the dead, they should not rebaptize the living.
- Ezek 13:19.
Cite (SBL): Optatus, Parm. 5.11 (CSEL 26:141–142; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/optatus-contra-parmenianum/5-11). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Translation: Translated by Claude from Ziwsa's Latin (CSEL 26, 1893); no public-domain English translation is on disk, so the translation was re-read against the Latin.