Against the Letter of Parmenian 2.8–2.21
Latin text: Petschenig, CSEL 51 (Latin text: Michael Petschenig, Contra epistulam Parmeniani (CSEL 51, 1908), digitized by Open Greek and Latin (csel-dev, University of Leipzig), CC BY-SA 4.0).English: Claude (claude-opus-5-5), public domain (CC0). Compare: Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers, series 1, vol. 4 (1887).
Chapter 2
2.8CSEL 51:52–54
Et illud quod scriptum est: secundum principem populi sic et ministri ipsius, et qualis rector est ciuitatis tales et inhabitantes, si intellegerent quo pertinet, nec nobis obicerent nec ipsi uana iactantia superbirent. nos enim, ut hominum spem, quae in solo deo tuta recteque secura est, non in hominibus collocemus, quoniam scriptum meminimus: maledictus qui spem suam ponit in homine, non intellegimus hoc loco principem populi et rectorem ciuitatis episcopum significari; non ideo, quia non possumus innumerabiles sanctos in catholica episcopos intueri, sed ne cuiusquam ut dixi spes hominis in homine collocetur et, si ei forte contingat in ea uiuere ciuitate, ubi non sit bonus episcopus, arbitretur impune se malum fieri, usurpans ad defensionem suam tam peruerse intellectam istam scripturam quam peruerse ab istis intellegitur, et dicens ideo se bonum esse non posse, quia secundum principem populi sic et ministri eius, et qualis rector est ciuitatis tales et inhabitantes. contradicitur enim huic errori ueritatis ore dicentis: quae dicunt facite, quae autem faciunt facere nolite. dicunt enim et non faciunt. habentes itaque plebes tales episcopos, qui bona dicant ex cathedra Moysi et ea quae dicunt non faciant ex pestilentia sua, si illi faciant ea bona quae dicunt et non faciant mala quae faciunt, sicut praecepit dominus, nonne satis indicant non ita intellegendum principem populi et rectorem ciuitatis quomodo isti intellegunt, quia possunt esse populi boni et ubi fuerint episcopi mali, sicut potuit esse populus malus ubi fuit Moyses princeps et rector bonus? errantes enim in uerbis sanctarum scripturarum et, sicut dicit apostolus, non intellegentes neque quae loquuntur neque de quibus affirmant, ipsi potius secundum peruersitatem intellectus sui magnas patiuntur angustias, cum eis dicitur: ergo qualis fuit Optatus, talis fuit et plebs Thamugadensis; et si communione sacramentorum, sicut dicitis, contaminantur et illi qui facta mala improbant, etiam illa quae pro pace tolerant unitatis, tales estis et uos omnes, qui et illi collegae uestro et illi plebi communicastis, cum illum tota Africa Gildonis satellitem manifesto gemitu declararet. quem propterea saepe nomino, quia ita manifestus apparuit, ut ubicumque fuerit nominatus nullus se ignorare respondeat.
And the text, ‘As is the ruler of the people, so also are his ministers; and as is the governor of the city, so are its inhabitants’, if they understood what it refers to, they would neither throw at us nor themselves be proud with empty boasting. For we, so as not to place in men the hope of men, which is safe and rightly secure in God alone, since we remember that it is written, ‘Cursed is he who puts his hope in man’, do not understand that the bishop is meant in this place by ‘the ruler of the people’ and ‘the governor of the city’. Not because we cannot see countless holy bishops in the Catholic Church, but so that, as I said, no one’s hope should be placed in a man, and so that, if it should happen to someone to live in a city where there is not a good bishop, he should not think he becomes bad with impunity, taking for his defence this Scripture understood as perversely as these men understand it, and saying that he cannot be good because ‘as is the ruler of the people, so also are his ministers; and as is the governor of the city, so are its inhabitants’. For this error is contradicted by the mouth of the Truth, saying: ‘What they say, do; but what they do, do not do. For they say and do not do.’ So when peoples have such bishops, who say good things from the chair of Moses and do not do what they say, out of their own pestilence, if those peoples do the good things the bishops say and do not do the evil things they do, as the Lord commanded, do they not show clearly enough that ‘ruler of the people’ and ‘governor of the city’ are not to be understood as these men understand them, since there can be good peoples even where there are bad bishops, just as there could be a bad people where Moses was a good ruler and governor? For, erring in the words of the holy Scriptures, and, as the apostle says, ‘understanding neither what they say nor the things about which they make assertions’, they themselves rather suffer great straits through the perversity of their understanding, when it is said to them: ‘Then as Optatus was, so was the people of Thamugadi; and if, as you say, through communion in the sacraments even those are contaminated who disapprove of evil deeds, even those they tolerate for the peace of unity, then such are all of you also, who communicated both with that colleague of yours and with that people, when all Africa with open groaning declared him a henchman of Gildo.’ I name him often for this reason, that he appeared so evident that wherever he is named no one answers that he does not know him.
Jer 17:5 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 23:2–3 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Tim 1:7 (quotation, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: ‘As is the ruler, so are the people’ cannot mean that a bad bishop makes his people bad, since Christ commanded to do what bad teachers say; on the Donatist reading, they are all like Optatus of Thamugadi.
- ‘As is the ruler of the people…’ is Sir 10:2. Other sources: Jer 17:5; Matt 23:2–3; 1 Tim 1:7. Thamugadi is Timgad in Numidia.
Extrabiblical texts: Sir 10:2 (Sirach [in RC, EO, ETH canons]; quotation)
Topics: Donatism, Church office
Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. ep. Parm. 2.8 (CSEL 51:52–54; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-epistulam-parmeniani/2-8). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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2.9CSEL 51:54–55
Nam ipsi respiciant et recordentur quam multos inter se similes habeant, quorum par malitia est, sed impar notitia, et aliquando ueniant ad ueram sententiam istorum uerborum et intellegant unum populi principem dominum nostrum Iesum Christum, cuius ministri sunt boni, et ipsum rectorem ciuitatis illius Hierusalem, quae est mater nostra aeterna in caelis. cuius rectoris dignitati congruunt habitantes non ad aequalitatem, sed pro modo suo, quia dictum est eis sancti eritis, quoniam et ego sanctus sum, secundum quandam scilicet imaginis similitudinem, in quam transformamur de gloria in gloriam tamquam a domini spiritu munere illius, qui nos facit conformes imaginis filii sui. est et alterius mali populi diabolus princeps et rector eius ciuitatis, quae mystice Babylonia dicitur, quoniam principes et rectores tenebrarum harum id est peccatorum ipsum et angelos eius apostolus Paulus appellat, et illius ministri similes eius sunt, quia transfigurant se in ministros iustitiae, sicut ille in angelum lucis, et inhabitantes rectori pessimo in factis similibus congruunt. sed istorum populorum atque ciuitatum tunc erit aperta separatio, cum ista messis fuerit uentilata; quod donec fiat omnia tolerat dilectio frumentorum, ne, dum grana paleam praepropere fugiunt, a consortibus granis impie separentur.
For let them look at themselves and remember how many like him they have among them, whose malice is equal though their notoriety is unequal; and let them at last come to the true meaning of these words, and understand that the one ruler of the people is our Lord Jesus Christ, whose ministers are good, and that he is the governor of that city Jerusalem which is our eternal mother in heaven. To the dignity of this governor the inhabitants conform, not to equality but in their own measure, since it was said to them, ‘You shall be holy, because I too am holy’, that is, according to a certain likeness of image into which we are transformed from glory to glory as by the Spirit of the Lord, by the gift of him who makes us conformed to the image of his Son. There is also the ruler of another, bad people, the devil, and the governor of that city which is mystically called Babylon, since the apostle Paul calls him and his angels the rulers and governors of this darkness, that is, of sins; and his ministers are like him, for they transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, as he does into an angel of light; and the inhabitants conform in like deeds to their most wicked governor. But the separation of these peoples and cities will be made plain when this harvest has been winnowed; until that happens, the love of the wheat tolerates all things, lest, while the grains flee the chaff too hastily, they be impiously separated from their fellow grains.
Gal 4:26 (allusion, high confidence) · Lev 11:44 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Pet 1:16 (quotation, medium confidence) · 2 Cor 3:18 (allusion, high confidence) · Rom 8:29 (allusion, high confidence) · Eph 6:12 (allusion, high confidence) · 2 Cor 11:14–15 (allusion, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: The true ruler of the people is Christ, governor of the heavenly Jerusalem, and the devil rules Babylon; the two cities will be separated only at the final winnowing, and until then the wheat tolerates all things.
- Sources: Gal 4:26; Lev 11:44 (1 Pet 1:16); 2 Cor 3:18; Rom 8:29; Eph 6:12; 2 Cor 11:14–15. Stray marks (hyphens, asterisk, a dash at the end) in the digital text are removed.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (stray asterisk in the digital text; stray dash in the digital text; stray hyphen in the digital text): dictum est- eis → dictum est eis; quoniam * et ego → quoniam et ego; secundum-quandam → secundum quandam; separentur. - → separentur..
Topics: Donatism, The church
Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. ep. Parm. 2.9 (CSEL 51:54–55; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-epistulam-parmeniani/2-9). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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2.10CSEL 51:55–56
Quid igitur iam ualet ad causam quod isti nobis obiciunt, quia per Esaiam dicit dominus de malis sacrificatoribus: facinerosus qui sacrificat mihi uitulum quasi qui canem occidat, et qui ponit similaginem quasi sanguinem porcinum, et qui offert thus in memoria quasi blasphemus? haec omnia multo congruentius de illis dicuntur, qui contra ecclesiam dei toto sicut promissa est orbe diffusam altare sui schismatis erexerunt; quod eos sacrilegium omnes inuoluit, et quilibet ubilibet offert sacrificium tali corde uel factis, ut haec audire mereatur, perniciem sibi infert, non illis bonis qui secundum prophetam Ezechielem gemunt et maerent peccata et iniquitates quae fiunt in medio eorum, quamuis non se inde corporaliter separent; unicuique enim tribuit dominus secundum cor suum. nam si primis temporibus non obfuerunt mali sacerdotes uel collegis bonis, sicut fuit Zacharias, uel popularibus bonis, sicut fuit Nathanahel in quo dolus non erat, quanto magis nihil obest in unitate christiana episcopus malus uel coepiscopis bonis uel laicis bonis, cum iam ille sacerdos in aeternum secundum ordinem Melchisedec et pontifex noster sedens ad dexteram patris interpellat pro nobis, qui traditus est propter delicta nostra et resurrexit propter iustificationem nostram. nec illud ergo bonis obest, sed offerentibus malis, quod uerissime dictum est: dona iniquorum non probat altissimus. non enim dixit: dona eorum qui pro pace iniquos tolerant non probat altissimus, cum tamen nec isti ea quae obiecerunt probare potuerint eo tempore quo schisma fecerunt. alioquin illis exclusis istos hereditas Christi toto orbe diffusa in communione catholica detineret.
What force, then, does it now have for the case that these men throw at us what the Lord says through Isaiah about bad sacrificers: ‘The criminal who sacrifices a calf to me is like one who kills a dog, and he who sets out fine flour is like one who offers swine’s blood, and he who offers incense as a memorial is like a blasphemer’? All these things are said much more fittingly of those who have raised the altar of their schism against the church of God, spread through the whole world as it was promised; this sacrilege involves them all. And whoever, wherever, offers sacrifice with such a heart or such deeds that he deserves to hear these things brings ruin on himself, not on those good men who, according to the prophet Ezekiel, groan and grieve over the sins and iniquities that are done in their midst, even though they do not separate themselves bodily from there; for the Lord renders to each according to his heart. For if in earlier times bad priests did not harm either good colleagues, as Zechariah was, or good laymen, as Nathanael was, in whom there was no guile, how much more does a bad bishop in Christian unity do no harm either to good fellow bishops or to good laymen, now that that priest for ever according to the order of Melchizedek, our high priest, sitting at the right hand of the Father, intercedes for us, who was handed over for our offences and rose again for our justification. So this too, which is said most truly, harms not the good but the bad who offer: ‘The Most High does not approve the gifts of the wicked.’ For he did not say, ‘The Most High does not approve the gifts of those who tolerate the wicked for the sake of peace’; and yet these men could not even prove what they charged at the time when they made the schism. Otherwise, with those excluded, the inheritance of Christ spread through the whole world would keep these men in Catholic communion.
Isa 66:3 (quotation, high confidence) · Ezek 9:4 (allusion, high confidence) · Luke 1:5–6 (allusion, medium confidence) · John 1:47 (allusion, high confidence) · Ps 110:4 (109:4 LXX) (allusion, high confidence) · Heb 7:17 (allusion, medium confidence) · Rom 8:34 (allusion, high confidence) · Rom 4:25 (quotation, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: Isaiah’s condemnation of bad sacrificers fits the schismatic altar; a bad priest harmed neither Zechariah nor Nathanael, and still less does a bad bishop harm good Christians now that Christ is high priest.
- Sources: Isa 66:3; Ezek 9:4; Zechariah the priest (Luke 1:5–6); Nathanael (John 1:47); Ps 110:4 (Heb 7:17); Rom 8:34; Rom 4:25. ‘The Most High does not approve the gifts of the wicked’ is Sir 34:19 (Vulgate 34:23). A stray letter (‘qui o offert’) is removed.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (stray letter in the digital text): et qui o offert → et qui offert.
Extrabiblical texts: Sir 34:19 (Sirach [in RC, EO, ETH canons]; quotation)
Topics: Donatism, Church office
Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. ep. Parm. 2.10 (CSEL 51:55–56; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-epistulam-parmeniani/2-10). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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2.11CSEL 51:56–57
Sacrificia, inquit, impiorum execratio est domino; etenim inique offerunt illa. iam supra responsum est quia non est iniquus Christus, qui pro nobis se ipsum obtulit et noster in caelo mediator est, quo suam ecclesiam gubernante bonis mali non oberunt qui uel ignorantur uel pro pace tolerantur, donec ipse ueniat ac separet praemissis messoribus a messe zizania et uentilabro paleas a frumentis. quamquam isti, quod saepe dicendum est, falsa crimina obiecerint, quae si etiam uera essent bonorum caritati pro unitate in unitate omnia toleranti nihil nocerent, si ea forte etiam cognita iudicibus ecclesiasticis persuadere non possent. sacrificia ergo impiorum eis ipsis oberunt qui offerunt impie. nam unum atque idem sacrificium propter nomen dei, quod ibi inuocatur et semper est sanctum, tale cuique fit, quali corde ad accipiendum accesserit; qui enim manducat et bibit indigne, iudicium sibi manducat et bibit. non ait aliis, sed (sibi). qui ergo digne manducat et bibit, gratiam sibi manducat et bibit. illi ergo uideant utrum digne manducent, qui inter tam multos parentes et filios, maritos et uxores, inter tam multos, quod est potissimum, dei heredes et Christi coheredes toto orbe diffusos nefario schismate diuiserunt, cum possent utique, si boni essent et uere malos arguerent, fructuose tolerare pro pace Christi quae perniciose tolerant pro parte Donati.
‘The sacrifices of the impious’, he says, ‘are an abomination to the Lord; for they offer them unjustly.’ It has already been answered above that Christ is not unjust, who offered himself for us and is our mediator in heaven; while he governs his church, the bad will not harm the good, whether they are unknown or tolerated for the sake of peace, until he himself comes and, sending the reapers ahead, separates the weeds from the harvest and, with the winnowing fork, the chaff from the wheat. Although these men (as must often be said) have made false charges, which, even if they were true, would do no harm to the love of the good, tolerating all things in unity for the sake of unity, if perhaps, even when the charges were known, they could not convince church judges of them. So the sacrifices of the impious will harm those very men who offer impiously. For one and the same sacrifice, because of the name of God which is invoked there and is always holy, becomes to each such as the heart with which he approaches to receive it. For ‘whoever eats and drinks unworthily eats and drinks judgment to himself’. He does not say ‘to others’, but ‘to himself’. So whoever eats and drinks worthily eats and drinks grace to himself. Let those men see, then, whether they eat worthily who by an abominable schism have divided so many parents and children, husbands and wives, and, what is most important, so many heirs of God and co-heirs of Christ spread through the whole world; when, if they were good and truly rebuked the bad, they could certainly tolerate fruitfully for the peace of Christ what they tolerate ruinously for the party of Donatus.
Prov 21:27 (quotation, medium confidence) · 1 Tim 2:5 (allusion, medium confidence) · Matt 13:30 (allusion, medium confidence) · Matt 3:12 (allusion, medium confidence) · 1 Cor 11:29 (quotation, high confidence) · Rom 8:17 (allusion, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: The same sacrament is judgment or grace to each according to his own heart, as Paul says ‘to himself’, so bad ministers harm only themselves; the schismatics who divided families and Christ’s co-heirs should ask whether they eat worthily.
- Sources: Prov 21:27 (cf. Prov 15:8), quoted in a Latin form; Christ the mediator (1 Tim 2:5); reapers and winnowing (Matt 13:30, 39; Matt 3:12); 1 Cor 11:29; Rom 8:17. ‘Himself’ (sibi) is the editor’s supplement, translated. Stray marks (a split word, an extra period, an asterisk) are removed.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (stray asterisk in the digital text; stray period in the digital text; word split in the digital text): inique o fferunt → inique offerunt; indigne,. iudicium → indigne, iudicium; aliis* → aliis.
Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. ep. Parm. 2.11 (CSEL 51:56–57; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-epistulam-parmeniani/2-11). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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2.12CSEL 51:57
In Exodo, inquit, scriptum est: sacerdotes autem qui accedunt ad dominum deum sanctificentur, ne forte derelinquat eos dominus, et iterum: et cum accedunt ministri ad altare sancti, non adducant in se delictum, ne moriantur, et illud in Leuitico: homo qui habuerit maculam et uitium non accedat offerre dona deo. bene quod de ueteribus libris testimonia ista proponunt. dicant ergo mihi, cui sancto secundum salutem spiritalem obfuerit uel in sacerdotibus uel inter populum constituto malus aut maculatus sacerdos. ubi erat Moyses et Aaron, ibi murmuratores sacrilegi, quos deus semper a facie sua perdere minabatur; ubi erat Caiphas et ceteri tales, ibi Zacharias, ibi Simeon et ceteri boni; ubi Saul, ibi Dauid; ubi Hieremias, ubi Esaias, ubi Danihel, ubi Ezechiel, ibi sacerdotes mali et populi mali; sed sarcinam suam unusquisque portabat.
‘In Exodus’, he says, ‘it is written: But let the priests who approach the Lord God be sanctified, lest perhaps the Lord forsake them; and again: And when the ministers approach the holy altar, let them not bring sin upon themselves, lest they die; and that text in Leviticus: The man who has a blemish and a defect shall not approach to offer gifts to God.’ It is well that they put forward these testimonies from the old books. Let them tell me, then, which holy man, whether placed among the priests or among the people, was harmed in his spiritual salvation by a bad or blemished priest. Where Moses and Aaron were, there were sacrilegious murmurers, whom God was always threatening to destroy from his presence; where Caiaphas and others like him were, there were Zechariah, Simeon, and other good men; where Saul was, there was David; where Jeremiah, where Isaiah, where Daniel, where Ezekiel were, there were bad priests and bad peoples; but each carried his own load.
Exod 19:22 (quotation, high confidence) · Exod 28:43 (quotation, medium confidence) · Lev 21:17 (quotation, high confidence) · Num 14:11–12 (allusion, low confidence) · Gal 6:5 (allusion, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: Parmenian cites the law’s demand for holy, unblemished priests, but in Israel the good lived alongside bad priests and peoples without harm, for each carried his own load.
- Sources: Exod 19:22; Exod 28:43 (cf. 30:20), quoted loosely; Lev 21:17; the murmurers (Num 14); Gal 6:5. A period after ‘Exodo’ in the digital text is read as a comma.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (punctuation slip in the digital text): In Exodo. inquit → In Exodo, inquit.
Topics: Donatism, Church office
Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. ep. Parm. 2.12 (CSEL 51:57; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-epistulam-parmeniani/2-12). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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2.13CSEL 51:57–58
Omitto dicere quam scelerata superbia dicatur neminem esse inter collegas suos uel se ipsum non esse cum aliqua macula et uitio non membrorum, sed quod peius est morum. quod ubi agere cum eis coeperimus, respondent interesse qualis sit macula et quale uitium, quasi scriptura discreuerit quae ait: homo qui habuerit maculam et uitium non accedat offerre dona deo. nullamne maculam et uitium habuit non dico Optatus, sed ipse Parmenianus aut ipse Donatus? sed tanto isti amore hominum caeci sunt et corde impudico adulteros mentis suae uni legitimo uiro coaequare non dubitant, ut quod de solo domino Iesu Christo dici potuit etiam in Donato perfectum fuisse contendant. quis dabit oculis meis fontem lacrimarum? quis congruus huic sceleri gemitus concusso pectore exprimitur? sed interim attendant utrum saltem Optatus habuerit aliquam maculam aut aliquod uitium; non usque adeo caeci sunt, ut et istius uitam omnino immaculatam et omni uitio carentem fuisse respondeant. cur ergo accedebat offerre dona deo et ab eo ceteri coniunctis manibus accipiebant, quod maculosus et uitiosus obtulerat? attendant in ceteris suis utrum nulla sit macula ebriositas, sed prius legant quibus sceleratis ebriosos apostolus Paulus adiunxerit; utrum auaritia nulla sit macula, quam idem apostolus sic detestatur, ut idolorum comparet seruituti.
I omit to say with what wicked pride it is said that none of their colleagues, or they themselves, are without some blemish and defect, not of limbs but, what is worse, of morals. When we begin to deal with them about this, they answer that it matters what kind of blemish and what kind of defect it is; as if Scripture had made a distinction when it says: ‘The man who has a blemish and a defect shall not approach to offer gifts to God.’ Had no blemish and defect, I do not say Optatus, but Parmenian himself, or Donatus himself? But these men are so blinded by love of men, and with an unchaste heart do not hesitate to make the adulterers of their mind equal to the one lawful husband, that they contend that what could be said of the Lord Jesus Christ alone was perfected even in Donatus. Who will give my eyes a fountain of tears? What groan fit for this crime is uttered from a stricken breast? But meanwhile let them consider whether at least Optatus had some blemish or some defect; they are not so blind as to answer that his life too was altogether unblemished and free of every defect. Why then did he approach to offer gifts to God, and why did the others receive from him with joined hands what a blemished and defective man had offered? Let them consider among the rest of their men whether drunkenness is no blemish; but let them first read with what criminals the apostle Paul joined the drunkards; whether greed is no blemish, which the same apostle so detests that he compares it to the service of idols.
Lev 21:17 (quotation, high confidence) · 2 Cor 11:2 (allusion, medium confidence) · Jer 9:1 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Cor 6:10 (allusion, medium confidence) · Col 3:5 (allusion, high confidence) · Eph 5:5 (allusion, medium confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: No Donatist bishop, not even Donatus, is without moral blemish, yet the notorious Optatus offered the sacrifice and his people received it; drunkenness and greed, which Paul condemns, are also blemishes.
- Sources: Lev 21:17; the one husband (2 Cor 11:2); Jer 9:1; drunkards among criminals (1 Cor 6:10; Gal 5:21); greed as idolatry (Col 3:5; Eph 5:5). ‘With joined hands’ refers to receiving the Eucharist.
Topics: Donatism, Church office
Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. ep. Parm. 2.13 (CSEL 51:57–58; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-epistulam-parmeniani/2-13). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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2.14CSEL 51:58–60
Qui autem rectissime sapiunt, intellegunt quemlibet hominum, quamuis iam pro consortio societatis humanae non absurde dici possit iustissime uiuere, non posse tamen esse sine aliquo uitio, quamdiu caro concupiscit aduersus spiritum, spiritus autem aduersus carnem, et: qui natus est ex deo non peccat, et: si dixerimus quia peccatum non habemus, nos ipsos seducimus et ueritas in nobis non est. quamuis enim, in quantum ex deo nati sumus, non peccemus, inest tamen adhuc etiam quod ex Adam sumus, quia nondum est absorta mors in uictoriam, quod etiam in corporum resurrectione promittitur, ut omni modo beati et immaculati et incorrupti simus qui iam secundum fidem filii dei sumus, sed secundum speciem nondum apparuit quod erimus. nondum enim re, sed spe salui facti sumus. spes autem quae uidetur non est spes. quod enim uidet quis, quid sperat? si autem quod non uidemus speramus, per patientiam exspectamus. quamdiu autem per patientiam exspectamus redemptionem corporis nostri, non audeamus nos dicere carere omni uitio, ne ipsa superbia sit immanissimum uitium, et euigilemus aliquando atque uideamus in sacerdotibus illius temporis, cum corporalia uitia uitabantur, illum praefigurari, qui cum esset deus factus est homo propter nos, solus uere agnus immaculatus et sacerdos sine uitio. ideoque et tunc sacerdos solus intrabat in sancta sanctorum, populus autem stabat foris, sicut nunc ille sacerdos post resurrectionem intrauit in secreta caelorum, ut ad dexteram patris interpellet pro nobis, populus autem cuius ille sacerdos est adhuc foris gemit. nam cum episcopo intus est populus et orat cum illo et quasi suscribens ad eius uerba respondet amen. usque adeo tunc, quando sine ulla macula et sine ullo uitio, quia non poterant animi, sacerdotum corpora quaerebantur, solus ille praefigurabatur, non isti superbi et impii, qui fornicante anima non zelant sponso, sed eis se audent ostentare pro sponso.
But those who think most rightly understand that any man whatever, though it may not absurdly be said, with regard to the fellowship of human society, that he lives most righteously, cannot yet be without some defect, so long as the flesh lusts against the spirit and the spirit against the flesh; and that ‘he who is born of God does not sin’, and ‘if we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us’. For though, in so far as we are born of God, we do not sin, there is still in us also what we are from Adam, since death has not yet been swallowed up in victory, which is promised also in the resurrection of bodies, so that we who are already sons of God by faith may be in every way blessed and unblemished and incorrupt; but by sight ‘it has not yet appeared what we shall be’. For we have been saved not yet in reality but in hope. ‘But hope that is seen is not hope. For what one sees, why does he hope for? But if we hope for what we do not see, we wait for it through patience.’ But so long as we wait through patience for the redemption of our body, let us not dare to say that we lack every defect, lest that very pride be a most monstrous defect; and let us at last wake up and see that in the priests of that time, when bodily defects were avoided, he was prefigured who, being God, was made man for us, the only truly unblemished lamb and the priest without defect. And so then too the priest alone entered the holy of holies, while the people stood outside, just as now that priest after his resurrection has entered the secret places of heaven, to intercede for us at the right hand of the Father, while the people whose priest he is still groan outside. For the people are within with the bishop, and pray with him, and, as if signing to his words, answer Amen. So far, then, when the bodies of priests were required to be without any blemish and without any defect, because their souls could not be, he alone was prefigured, not these proud and impious men who, when the soul commits fornication, are not jealous for the bridegroom, but dare to show themselves off instead of the bridegroom.
Gal 5:17 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 John 3:9 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 John 1:8 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Cor 15:54 (allusion, high confidence) · 1 John 3:2 (quotation, high confidence) · Rom 8:23–25 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Pet 1:19 (allusion, medium confidence) · Heb 9:7 (allusion, high confidence) · Rom 8:34 (allusion, high confidence) · 2 Cor 11:2 (allusion, medium confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: No one in this life is without sin while the flesh fights the spirit; the law’s unblemished priests prefigured Christ alone, the spotless lamb and high priest who intercedes in heaven, not proud bishops who put themselves in the bridegroom’s place.
- Sources: Gal 5:17; 1 John 3:9; 1 John 1:8; 1 Cor 15:54; 1 John 3:2; Rom 8:23–25; Christ the unblemished lamb (1 Pet 1:19); the high priest in the holy of holies (Heb 9:7, 24); Rom 8:34; the bridegroom (2 Cor 11:2). ‘Signing’ renders suscribens (subscribing).
Topics: Donatism, Sin, Church office
Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. ep. Parm. 2.14 (CSEL 51:58–60; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-epistulam-parmeniani/2-14). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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2.15CSEL 51:60–61
In euangelio, inquit, scriptum est: deus peccatores non audiet; sed si quis dominum coluerit et uoluntatem eius fecerit, illum audiet. et hic absoluta responsio est. si enim duo simul orent, unus peccator et alter qui dominum colit et uoluntatem eius facit, nimirum illum audit, illum non audit. quid sibi ergo uult hoc testimonium uel quomodo pro se arbitrantur esse proferendum, cum his uerbis maxime securi fiant inter malos boni nec ulla causa corporalis separationis existat, ut nefario schismate homines etiam a bonis per spiritalem discordiam separentur, quandoquidem possunt et mali inter bonos non exaudiri propter infidelitatem suam et boni inter malos exaudiri propter fidem suam? deus enim qui cordis inspector est non errat, ut alium pro alio uel exaudiat uel repellat. an propterea dicunt haec, ut intellegatur episcopus malus non exaudiri, cum pro populo rogat? quod etsi ita esset, non ideo tamen populus, si bonus atque fidelis est, sollicitus esse debet. securos enim illos facit illa scriptura quae ait: fratres, haec scribo uobis, ut non peccetis; et si quis peccauerit, aduocatum habemus ad patrem Iesum Christum iustum, et ipse est propitiatio pro peccatis nostris. quam ueraci et pia humilitate dictum sit audiant, si habent aures unde audiant. Iohannes enim dixerat: haec scripsi uobis, ut non peccetis. si ita sequeretur ut diceret: et si quis peccauerit, aduocatum habetis ad patrem Iesum Christum iustum, et ipse est propitiatio pro peccatis uestris, se ipsum a peccantibus quasi segregasse uideretur, ut iam non ei opus esset propitiatio quae fit per mediatorem sedentem ad dexteram patris et interpellantem pro nobis. quod utique non solum superbe, sed etiam falso diceretur. si uero etiam ita diceret: haec scripsi uobis, ut non peccetis, et si quis peccauerit, mediatorem me habetis ad patrem, ego exoro pro peccatis uestris, sicut Parmenianus quodam loco mediatorem posuit episcopum inter populum et deum, quis eum ferret bonorum atque fidelium christianorum, quis sicut Christi apostolum et non sicut antichristum intueretur? et tamen isti lacus detriti fumosam istorum superbiam ferunt et spiritum sanctum continere non possunt, ut seruent unitatem spiritus in uinculo pacis et in omnibus orationibus suis de uno mediatore securi sint.
‘In the gospel’, he says, ‘it is written: God will not hear sinners; but if anyone worships the Lord and does his will, him he will hear.’ Here too the answer is unconditional. For if two pray together, one a sinner and the other one who worships the Lord and does his will, he surely hears the one and does not hear the other. What then is the point of this testimony, or how do they think it should be brought forward on their own behalf, when by these words the good among the bad are made most secure, and there is no cause at all for bodily separation such that people should be separated even from the good, by spiritual discord, through an abominable schism, since both the bad among the good can go unheard because of their unbelief and the good among the bad can be heard because of their faith? For God, who searches the heart, does not make mistakes so as either to hear or to reject one person in place of another. Or do they say this so that it may be understood that a bad bishop is not heard when he prays for the people? Even if this were so, the people, if they are good and faithful, ought not on that account to be anxious. For that Scripture makes them secure which says: ‘Brothers, I write these things to you so that you may not sin; and if anyone does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous, and he is the propitiation for our sins.’ Let them hear with what truthful and pious humility this was said, if they have ears with which to hear. For John had said: ‘I have written these things to you so that you may not sin.’ If he had gone on to say, ‘And if anyone does sin, you have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous, and he is the propitiation for your sins’, he would seem to have set himself apart from sinners, as it were, so that he no longer needed the propitiation that is made through the mediator who sits at the right hand of the Father and intercedes for us. That would certainly be said not only proudly but also falsely. But if he had even said, ‘I have written these things to you so that you may not sin; and if anyone does sin, you have me as mediator with the Father; I obtain pardon for your sins’, as Parmenian in one place made the bishop mediator between the people and God, which of the good and faithful Christians would tolerate him, who would look on him as an apostle of Christ and not as an antichrist? And yet these broken cisterns bear the smoky pride of these men, and cannot contain the Holy Spirit, so as to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace and to be secure, in all their prayers, about the one mediator.
John 9:31 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 John 2:1–2 (quotation, high confidence) · Rom 8:34 (allusion, high confidence) · Jer 2:13 (allusion, medium confidence) · Eph 4:3 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Tim 2:5 (allusion, medium confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: If God does not hear sinners, the good among the bad are safe and there is no reason for schism; and John, by saying ‘we have an advocate’, included himself among those who need Christ, the one mediator, whereas Parmenian made the bishop a mediator.
- Sources: John 9:31; 1 John 2:1–2; Rom 8:34; broken cisterns (Jer 2:13); Eph 4:3; the one mediator (1 Tim 2:5). ‘legum’ is read ‘Iesum’ and ‘chriatianorum’ ‘christianorum’ (OCR slips); a stray bracket is removed.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR slip; stray bracket in the digital text): diceret: (et si quis → diceret: et si quis; patrem legum Christum → patrem Iesum Christum; chriatianorum → christianorum.
Topics: Donatism, Prayer, Church office
Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. ep. Parm. 2.15 (CSEL 51:60–61; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-epistulam-parmeniani/2-15). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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2.16CSEL 51:61–62
Homines enim omnes christiani inuicem se commendant orationibus suis. pro quo autem nullus interpellat, sed ipse pro omnibus, hic unus uerusque mediator est, cuius typus quoniam praefigurabatur in sacerdote ueteris testamenti, nullus et illic inuenitur orasse pro sacerdote. Paulus autem apostolus, quamquam sub capite praecipuum membrum, sed tamen quia membrum est corporis Christi et nouerat non per figuram in interiora ueli ad sancta sanctorum, sed per expressam et redditam ueritatem in interiora caeli ad sanctitatem non imaginariam sed aeternam pro nobis intrasse maximum et uerissimum sacerdotem, ecclesiae se orationibus etiam ipse commendat nec mediatorem se facit inter populum et deum, ut pro se orent inuicem omnia membra corporis Christi, quoniam pro inuicem sollicita sunt membra et, si patitur unum membrum, compatiuntur omnia membra et, si glorificatur unum membrum, congaudent omnia membra; ac sic oratio pro inuicem membrorum omnium adhuc in terra laborantium ascendet ad caput quod praecessit in caelum, in quo est propitiatio pro peccatis nostris. nam si esset mediator Paulus, essent utique et ceteri coapostoli eius, ac sic multi mediatores essent nec ipsi Paulo ratio constaret qua dixerat: unus enim deus, unus et mediator dei et hominum homo Christus Iesus. in quo et nos unum sumus, si seruemus unitatem spiritus in uinculo pacis nec propter malos bonos deseramus, sed propter bonos malos sufferamus, ne, cum defendere uolumus quod temeraria praesumptione relinquimus incognitos, cogamur maiore scelere damnare inauditos.
For all Christian people commend one another in their prayers. But he for whom no one intercedes, while he intercedes for all, is the one true mediator; and since his type was prefigured in the priest of the old covenant, no one is found there either to have prayed for the priest. The apostle Paul, however, though a chief member under the head, yet because he is a member of the body of Christ and knew that the greatest and truest priest had entered for us, not through a figure into the inner part of the veil, into the holy of holies, but through the expressed and fulfilled truth into the inner part of heaven, into a holiness not imaginary but eternal, himself also commends himself to the prayers of the church; and he does not make himself mediator between the people and God, but asks that all the members of the body of Christ pray for one another, since the members are anxious for one another, and if one member suffers, all the members suffer with it, and if one member is glorified, all the members rejoice with it. And so the prayer of all the members for one another, while they still labour on earth, will ascend to the head who has gone before into heaven, in whom is the propitiation for our sins. For if Paul were mediator, so certainly would his fellow apostles be, and so there would be many mediators, and Paul’s own reasoning would not hold when he said: ‘For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.’ In him we too are one, if we keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace and do not desert the good because of the bad, but bear with the bad because of the good, lest, while we want to defend what we abandon by rash presumption, unknown, we are forced by a greater crime to condemn men unheard.
Heb 6:19–20 (allusion, medium confidence) · Rom 15:30 (allusion, medium confidence) · 1 Cor 12:25–26 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 John 2:2 (allusion, high confidence) · 1 Tim 2:5 (quotation, high confidence) · Eph 4:3 (quotation, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: Christians pray for one another, but Christ alone intercedes for all as the one mediator; even Paul asked the church’s prayers as a member of the body, and in Christ the members stay one by bearing with the bad.
- Sources: Christ entering within the veil (Heb 6:19–20; 9:24); Paul asking for prayers (Rom 15:30); 1 Cor 12:25–26; 1 John 2:2; 1 Tim 2:5; Eph 4:3.
Topics: Donatism, Prayer, Christology
Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. ep. Parm. 2.16 (CSEL 51:61–62; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-epistulam-parmeniani/2-16). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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2.17CSEL 51:62–63
Quid quod etiam inuenitur in scripturis Balaam propheta non de populo Israhel sed alienigena conductus ab inimico, ut populo dei malediceret, conuersus a domino ad benedicendum, cuius uerba omnia bene inprecantis audimus et legimus, et cum aliud haberet in uoto, uerba tamen precantis et bona sunt et pro populo exaudiuntur a domino. unde non mirum est sic uerba bona quae pro populo dicuntur in precibus, etiamsi a malis dicantur episcopis, exaudiri tamen non pro peruersitate praepositorum, sed pro deuotione populorum. uerumtamen quod scriptum est in euangelio: deus peccatorem non audit; sed si qui dominum coluerit et uoluntatem eius fecerit, ipsum exaudiet, non a domino dictum est, sed ab illo qui oculos corporis iam quidem restitutos habebat, sed ei oculi cordis nondum patebant, unde ipsum dominum adhuc prophetam putabat. nam eum postea cognitum dei filium suppliciter adorauit. ipse autem dominus, cum in uno templo orarent publicanus et Pharisaeus, peccatorem confitentem peccata sua magis iustificatum dicit quam Pharisaeum iactantem merita sua, cui similes isti sunt. quamquam enim iustificatus destiterit esse peccator, tamen ut iustificaretur peccator orabat et peccata confitebatur et exauditus iustificatus est, ut desineret esse peccator. non itaque desineret esse peccator, nisi prius exaudiretur peccator. quamobrem non quidem omnem peccatorem exaudiri, sed tamen non omnem peccatorem non exaudiri ueritas testis est.
What of the fact that in the Scriptures we also find the prophet Balaam, not of the people of Israel but a foreigner hired by the enemy to curse the people of God, turned by the Lord to blessing? We hear and read all his words as he called down good, and though he had something else in his wish, yet the words of his prayer are good and are heard by the Lord for the people. So it is no wonder that good words spoken in prayers for the people, even if they are spoken by bad bishops, are nevertheless heard, not because of the perversity of those set over them but because of the devotion of the peoples. But the text written in the gospel, ‘God does not hear a sinner; but if anyone worships the Lord and does his will, him he will hear’, was not said by the Lord, but by the man who now indeed had the eyes of his body restored, but whose eyes of the heart were not yet open, so that he still thought the Lord himself a prophet. For afterwards, when he knew him as the Son of God, he worshipped him as a suppliant. But the Lord himself, when the tax collector and the Pharisee were praying in the one temple, says that the sinner who confessed his sins was justified rather than the Pharisee who boasted of his merits, whom these men resemble. For although, once justified, he ceased to be a sinner, yet he prayed as a sinner to be justified and confessed his sins, and, being heard, was justified, so that he ceased to be a sinner. So he would not cease to be a sinner unless he were first heard as a sinner. Therefore the truth testifies, not that every sinner is heard, but that not every sinner goes unheard.
Num 23:7–10 (allusion, medium confidence) · John 9:31 (quotation, high confidence) · John 9:17 (allusion, medium confidence) · John 9:38 (allusion, high confidence) · Luke 18:10–14 (allusion, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: Balaam’s blessings were heard though he was bad, so bad bishops’ prayers for the people can be heard; ‘God does not hear sinners’ was said by the blind man before he knew Christ, and the tax collector was heard as a sinner.
- Sources: Balaam (Num 22–24); John 9:31, 36–38; the Pharisee and the tax collector (Luke 18:10–14).
Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. ep. Parm. 2.17 (CSEL 51:62–63; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-epistulam-parmeniani/2-17). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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2.18CSEL 51:63–64
Obiciunt etiam quod dictum est in psalmis: peccatori autem dicit deus: ut quid exponis iustificationes meas et assumis testamentum meum per os tuum? tu autem odisti disciplinam et abiecisti sermones meos retro. si uidebas furem, concurrebas cum eo et cum moechis particulam tuam ponebas. sedens aduersus fratrem tuum detrahebas et aduersus filium matris tuae ponebas scandalum. sed aperiant aliquando aures cordis et desinant esse non intellegentes neque quae locuntur neque de quibus affirmant. attendunt enim dictum peccatori: ut quid exponis iustificationes meas et assumis testamentum meum per os tuum? et non intellegunt ad hoc dictum, ut sciat nihil sibi prodesse uerba dei quae ore pronuntiat, si quod dicit ipse non facit, uerumtamen aliis prodesse qui etiam per malos audiunt et faciunt. quod dominus imperat, ipse dominus in euangelio docet dicens de Pharisaeis: cathedram Moysi sedent. quae dicunt facite, quae autem faciunt facere nolite. dicunt enim et non faciunt.
They also throw at us what is said in the Psalms: ‘But to the sinner God says: Why do you expound my statutes and take my covenant in your mouth? But you have hated discipline and cast my words behind you. If you saw a thief, you ran with him, and you put your portion with adulterers. Sitting, you spoke against your brother, and you put a stumbling block against your mother’s son.’ But let them at last open the ears of the heart and stop ‘understanding neither what they say nor the things about which they make assertions’. For they attend to what was said to the sinner, ‘Why do you expound my statutes and take my covenant in your mouth?’, and do not understand that it was said so that he may know that the words of God which he pronounces with his mouth do him no good if he does not himself do what he says, but that they do good to others who hear them even through bad men and do them. That this is what the Lord commands, the Lord himself teaches in the gospel, saying of the Pharisees: ‘They sit on Moses’ seat. What they say, do; but what they do, do not do. For they say and do not do.’
Ps 50:16–20 (49:16-Ps LXX) (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Tim 1:7 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 23:2–3 (quotation, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: The psalm’s rebuke of the sinner who recites God’s statutes means that God’s word does not profit the bad preacher, but it profits hearers who obey it, as Christ taught about the Pharisees.
- Sources: Ps 50:16–20 (LXX and Vulgate 49:16–20); 1 Tim 1:7; Matt 23:2–3. A repeated fragment (‘sermones. mones’) and ‘uidcbas’ are corrected.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR slip; repeated fragment in the digital text): sermones. mones meos → sermones meos; uidcbas → uidebas.
Topics: Donatism, Church office
Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. ep. Parm. 2.18 (CSEL 51:63–64; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-epistulam-parmeniani/2-18). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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2.19CSEL 51:64–66
Atque utinam uellent in his uerbis, quae de psalmo meminerunt, se tamquam in speculo intueri, quomodo proiciant sermones dei retro qui populis pronuntiant pacem et non amant pacem, quomodo oderint disciplinam qui damnare audent orbem inauditum et, quia pro merito, immo longe minus merito pro tanti furoris audacia secundum diuinae misericordiae disciplinam temporales molestias patiuntur, non peccata sua puniri confitentur, sed merita coronari gloriantur. eos sane cum fure concurrisse non dico, quia fure peior est raptor, quod esse undique conclamabatur Optatus. an cum moechis particulam suam forte non ponunt, qui greges ebrios sanctimonalium suarum cum gregibus ebriis circumcellionum die noctuque permixtos uagari turpiter sinunt? an non sedentes aduersus fratres suos detrahunt, qui propter quosdam, quos conuincere nequiuerunt, in hereditate Christi toto terrarum orbe diffusa contendunt non esse christianos, atque ita aduersus filium matris suae, id est paruulum adhuc in fide et sacramentorum lacte nutriendum, perniciosissimum scandalum ponunt, dum nesciens adhuc sequi deum patrem infirmus sequitur hominem et simulata atque adumbrata specie ueritatis inlectus ab unitatis compage crudeli laceratione diuellitur? sed si eis, qui mala non faciunt in eadem parte, mala facta displicent ceterorum nec obesse sibi aliena scelera credunt, quae in medio sui fieri gemunt et maerent, cur in communi sacrilegio schismatis perniciose tolerant quod fructuose tolerare in unitatis integritate potuerunt? possunt enim dicere, si tamen iam ipsis rebus experti euigilant aliquando, possunt dicere mala singulorum ceteris non obesse qui nec faciunt nec approbant talia; non autem singulorum malum esse schismatis sacrilegium, sed ad omnes eos pertinere qui catholicae non communicant unitati facillime possunt conuinci, etiamsi difficillime confiteri. qua enim causa in eorum communione ad alios non pertinent crimina aliorum, ea causa schisma crimen est omnium, quia, cum se inter ipsos suos aliorum sceleribus maculari non posse iam dicunt, simul fateantur necesse est non se habuisse causam cur ab unitate discederent, ubi eos non possent aliorum scelera maculare, et propterea scelere schismatis apertissimo tamquam uno mortifero uinculo pariter conligantur.
And would that they were willing to look at themselves in these words, which they quote from the psalm, as in a mirror: how they cast God’s words behind them who proclaim peace to the peoples and do not love peace; how they hate discipline who dare to condemn the world unheard, and, because they suffer temporal troubles according to the discipline of divine mercy, deservedly, or rather far less than they deserve for the audacity of so great a frenzy, do not confess that their sins are being punished but boast that their merits are being crowned. I do not say that they have run with a thief, for a robber is worse than a thief, and that is what Optatus was everywhere cried out to be. Or do they perhaps not put their portion with adulterers, who allow the drunken herds of their nuns, mixed day and night with the drunken herds of circumcellions, to wander about shamefully? Or do they not sit and speak against their brothers, who, because of certain men whom they could not convict, contend that there are no Christians in the inheritance of Christ spread through the whole world, and so put a most ruinous stumbling block against their mother’s son, that is, one still a little child in the faith who must be nourished on the milk of the sacraments, while, not yet knowing how to follow God the Father, he weakly follows a man, and, lured by a feigned and shadowy appearance of truth, is torn away from the framework of unity by a cruel laceration? But if those in that same party who do not do evil are displeased by the evil deeds of the others and believe that others’ crimes, which they groan and grieve to see done in their midst, do not harm them, why do they ruinously tolerate in the common sacrilege of schism what they could have tolerated fruitfully in the wholeness of unity? For they can say, if they ever wake up, having learned by the facts themselves, they can say that the evils of individuals do not harm the others who neither do nor approve such things; but that the sacrilege of schism is not the evil of individuals but belongs to all who do not communicate with Catholic unity: of this they can very easily be convinced, though they would very hardly confess it. For the very reason why, in their communion, the crimes of some do not belong to others is the reason why schism is the crime of all: because when they say that among their own people they cannot be stained by the crimes of others, they must at the same time confess that they had no reason to depart from unity, where others’ crimes could not stain them; and therefore they are all bound together equally by the most evident crime of schism, as by one deadly chain.
Ps 50:17–20 (49:17-Ps LXX) (allusion, high confidence) · 1 Cor 3:2 (echo, low confidence) · Ezek 9:4 (echo, low confidence)
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Summary: The psalm describes the Donatists themselves; and if they say others’ sins do not stain them within their party, they admit they had no reason to leave the Catholic unity, so schism is the crime of all of them.
- Applies Ps 50:17–20 (LXX and Vulgate 49:17–20). Optatus is Optatus of Thamugadi. ‘Nuns’ renders sanctimoniales (dedicated virgins).
Topics: Donatism, Schism and unity
Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. ep. Parm. 2.19 (CSEL 51:64–66; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-epistulam-parmeniani/2-19). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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2.20CSEL 51:66–68
At enim prophetauit Hieremias. quid prophetauit Hieremias? non habere, inquit, uerum baptismum eos qui relinquunt deum. ait enim. expectauit caelum super istud et exhorruit multo uehementius, dicit dominus, quoniam duo nequam fecit populus iste. me dereliquerunt fontem uitae et effoderunt sibi lacus detritos qui non possunt aquam portare; et iterum: facta est mihi, inquit, sicut aqua mendax non habens fidem; et illud quod scriptum est: qui baptizatur a mortuo quid proficit lauatio eius? et illud in psalmis: oleum peccatoris non inpinguet caput meum; et iterum alibi: muscae moriturae exterminant oleum suauitatis; et alibi: sanctus enim spiritus disciplinae effugiet fictum et auferet se a cogitationibus quae sunt sine intellectu. haec omnia si eo modo intellegenda sunt quo ab istis intelleguntur, nec nobis nec ipsis conquadrat ratio ueritatis. si autem alio modo intellegenda docuero, soli sua prauitate turbantur et, ut non turbentur, ad catholicum refugiunt intellectum, et unde inueniunt exitum responsionis, inde inretiuntur crimine schismatis. habent enim certe etiam ipsi — non dicam: tales sunt, sed hoc dicam quod uel fatentur uel insanissime negant — habent ergo et ipsi derelinquentes deum qui est fons aquae uiuae, hoc est inique uiuentes. neque enim pedibus ac non corde relinquitur deus. habent etiam mendaces et non habentes fidem, id est aliud profitentes et aliter conuersantes. habent utique mortuos. si enim sexui delicatiori et infirmiori delicias non concedit apostolus dicens de uidua: quae autem in deliciis agit uiuens mortua est, quaerant utrum nulli aput se uiri et, quod est amplius, praepositi uel ministri uiuant in deliciis, atque ita si audent renuntient se mortuos non habere et meliores esse quam illa (est) ecclesia, cuius angelo in figura praepositorum uel animarum dicitur quod non uiuat sed mortuus sit, et tamen inter septem ecclesias numeratur nec ei diuisae a compage corporis Christi, sed in unitate perseueranti praecepta uitae insuper dantur. omitto quod in concilio suo aduersus Maximianistas dixerunt: Aegyptiorum admodum exemplo pereuntium funeribus plena sunt litora. de quorum numero mortuorum nunc intus est Felicianus qui adhuc mortuus baptizat, aut si iam reuixit, habet secum illos quos mortuus in schismate baptizauit. habent certe peccatores. nam si interrogentur quicumque sibi in ipsis magni uidentur, etiam se ipsos peccatores esse non negant. neque enim non tundunt pectora sua aut cum id faciunt simulate faciunt — quod si ita est, certe uel tunc infeliciter peccant populos suos simulata humilitate fallentes -- aut non dicunt in oratione dominica: dimitte nobis debita nostra, sicut et nos dimittimus debitoribus nostris. quod utique non de illis peccatis dicitur quae in baptismi regeneratione dimissa sunt, sed de his quae cotidie de saeculi amarissimis fluctibus humanae uitae infirmitas contrahit, quibus curandis medicamenta praebentur elemosynarum, ieiuniorum et orationum, ut in oratione dicatur quod in elemosynis agitur. nam et peccatum quod in te alter admisit dimittere, ut et tibi dimittat deus, magnum opus misericordiae est. quodsi hoc in oratione ficte, non ueraciter dicunt, putantes se non habere quod eis dimittat deus, id ipsum est inexpiabile sacrilegium, ea ipsa est impia et uesana superbia, quod est certe immane peccatum. nam de morituris muscis quid dicam, quando in eis non adhuc morituros, sed iam mortuos multipliciter inueniri, siue fateantur siue conuincantur, ostendimus? fictos uero quos fugit spiritus sanctus disciplinae et sine intellectu perdite uiuentes quam multos inter se habeant, secundum ea quae supra dicta sunt cogitent. nam et quicumque ibi latent mali — quod uel eo certum est, quod saepe proditi conuictique damnantur non de recentibus tantum factis, sed etiam de uetere consuetudine flagitiorum qui astutissima fictione diu celari potuerunt — hi utique magis ficti sunt qui se bonos fingendo decipiunt.
‘But’, he says, ‘Jeremiah prophesied.’ What did Jeremiah prophesy? ‘That those who forsake God’, he says, ‘do not have true baptism.’ For he says: ‘Heaven was astonished at this and shuddered much more violently, says the Lord, because this people has done two evils. They have forsaken me, the fountain of life, and dug for themselves broken cisterns that cannot hold water’; and again: ‘It has become to me’, he says, ‘like lying water that has no faithfulness’; and the text that is written: ‘He who is baptized by a dead man, what does his washing profit?’; and that in the Psalms: ‘Let not the oil of the sinner anoint my head’; and again elsewhere: ‘Dying flies destroy the oil of sweetness’; and elsewhere: ‘For the holy Spirit of discipline will flee the deceitful and will withdraw from thoughts that are without understanding.’ If all these are to be understood in the way these men understand them, the reasoning of truth does not square either for us or for them. But if I show that they are to be understood in another way, they alone are troubled by their own perversity, and, so as not to be troubled, they take refuge in the Catholic understanding; and where they find a way out of the reply, there they are caught in the crime of schism. For certainly they too have (I will not say ‘such they are’, but I will say what they either confess or most insanely deny), they too, then, have men who forsake God, who is the fountain of living water, that is, who live wickedly; for God is forsaken not with the feet but with the heart. They also have liars and men without faithfulness, that is, men professing one thing and living otherwise. They certainly have dead men. For if the apostle does not allow luxury to the more delicate and weaker sex, saying of the widow, ‘But she who lives in pleasures is dead while she lives’, let them ask whether no men among them, and, what is more, no leaders or ministers, live in pleasures; and so, if they dare, let them declare that they have no dead men and are better than that church to whose angel, standing for its leaders or for its souls, it is said that it is not alive but dead, and yet it is counted among the seven churches, and commands of life are moreover given to it, not as divided from the framework of Christ’s body, but as persevering in unity. I pass over what they said in their council against the Maximianists: ‘Just as in the example of the Egyptians perishing, the shores are full of their corpses.’ Of that number of dead men Felicianus is now inside, who still baptizes while dead, or, if he has now come back to life, has with him those whom he baptized while dead in schism. They certainly have sinners. For if any who seem great among them are asked, they do not deny that they themselves are sinners. For they either do not beat their breasts, or when they do it, do it in pretence (and if so, they certainly sin wretchedly then at least, deceiving their peoples with feigned humility), or they do not say in the Lord’s Prayer: ‘Forgive us our debts, as we also forgive our debtors.’ This is certainly not said of the sins that were forgiven in the regeneration of baptism, but of those that the weakness of human life contracts every day from the most bitter waves of the world, for whose healing the medicines of almsgiving, fasting, and prayer are supplied, so that in prayer is said what is done in almsgiving. For to forgive the sin that another has committed against you, so that God may also forgive you, is a great work of mercy. But if they say this in prayer feignedly, not truly, thinking that they have nothing for God to forgive them, that very thing is an inexpiable sacrilege, that very thing is impious and insane pride, which is certainly a monstrous sin. As for the dying flies, what shall I say, when we have shown that among them are found, many times over, not men still about to die but men already dead, whether they confess it or are convicted of it? And as for the deceitful, whom the holy Spirit of discipline flees, and those who live ruinously without understanding, let them consider, from what has been said above, how many they have among them. For whatever bad men lie hidden there (which is certain from this, that men are often exposed, convicted, and condemned, not only for recent deeds but also for an old habit of shameful acts, who could long be concealed by most cunning pretence), these are surely the more deceitful, who deceive by pretending to be good.
Jer 2:12–13 (quotation, high confidence) · Jer 15:18 (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 141:5 (140:5 LXX) (quotation, high confidence) · Eccl 10:1 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Tim 5:6 (quotation, high confidence) · Rev 3:1 (allusion, high confidence) · Exod 14:30 (allusion, medium confidence) · Matt 6:12 (quotation, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: Parmenian cites Jeremiah and other texts to show that those who forsake God cannot give true baptism; Augustine replies that on that reading the Donatists’ own hidden sinners, ‘dead’ men, and the readmitted Felicianus could not baptize either.
- Sources: Jer 2:12–13; Jer 15:18; ‘He who is baptized by a dead man’ is Sir 34:25 (Vulgate 34:30, ‘washed after touching a dead body’); Ps 141:5 (LXX and Vulgate 140:5); Eccl 10:1; ‘the holy Spirit of discipline will flee the deceitful’ is Wis 1:5; 1 Tim 5:6; the church of Sardis (Rev 3:1); the Egyptians dead on the shore (Exod 14:30); Matt 6:12. The council against the Maximianists is the Donatist Council of Bagai (394). OCR slips (‘cos’, ‘morit ltrae’) and doubled punctuation are corrected. ‘(est)’ is the editor’s supplement.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR slip; OCR slip and doubled punctuation): cos qui relinquunt deum.. → eos qui relinquunt deum.; muscae morit ltrae → muscae moriturae.
Extrabiblical texts: Sir 34:25 (Sirach [in RC, EO, ETH canons]; quotation); Wis 1:5 (Wisdom of Solomon [in RC, EO, ETH canons]; quotation)
Topics: Donatism, Rebaptism, Forgiveness of sins
Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. ep. Parm. 2.20 (CSEL 51:66–68; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-epistulam-parmeniani/2-20). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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2.21CSEL 51:68–70
Si ergo sic sunt ista intellegenda ut isti intellegunt, quomodo eis ratio subsistere poterit, cur aput eos qui male uiuendo derelinquunt deum, siue lateant siue noti sint, non fiunt lacus detriti qui continere non ualent aquas, si hoc loco sacramentum baptismi intellegendum est? cur autem mendaces et infideles eorum non aquam mendacem sed ueracem uel dare uel habere creduntur? cur ab illorum mortuis qui baptizantur proficit aliquid lauatio eorum? cur peccatores eorum inpinguant oleo capita aliena? quid ibi muscae moriturae uel mortuae meruerunt, ut non exterminent oleum suauitatis? quo priuilegio muniuntur quicumque ibi ficti sunt, id est iustitiae pelle obtegunt lupum, ut non eos fugiat sanctus spiritus disciplinae? aut si fugit eos sanctus spiritus, quomodo per eos baptizatis datur? hic enim dici non potest quod solent ineptissime atque impudentissime dicere, tunc posse a malo baptizari quemquam, si lateat malitia baptizantis. qui enim fictus est, tanto magis fictus est quanto magis latet. ab hoc igitur cum se auferat spiritus sanctus, quae spes erit baptizati, si baptizantis hominis meritum in illa dei gratia cogitandum est? hic omnino quid respondeant non inueniunt, quia malos apertos habere se negant. in quo quidem apertissime conuincuntur. sed quid ad nos? satis est nobis ad necessarium articulum causae, quod fictos bonos, id est occultos malos esse aput se negare non possunt. per multos enim redarguuntur, qui cum ibi perditis et sceleratis moribus uiuerent et per ipsam fictionem diu latuissent, aliquando proditi expulsi sunt. si ergo nolunt credamus adhuc ibi esse aliquos tales, illi certe qui eiecti sunt, cum illic in eadem fictione laterent et eos fugeret sanctus spiritus de quo scriptum est: sanctus enim spiritus disciplinae fugiet fictum, quomodo baptizare potuerunt? cur non recensentur saltem qui uiuunt, ut accipiant baptismum, quem utique a fictis quos deserebat spiritus sanctus accipere nequiuerunt? si autem dicunt: spiritus quidem sanctus daturis fingentibus deerat iustificandis, sed accepturis credentibus aderat abluendis per ineffabilem efficaciam potentiae suae, utrumque facile ualens, illos fugere istos fouere, illos culpare istos mundare, quam pro se quaestionem soluunt, simul cernant solutam esse pro nobis.
If, then, these texts are to be understood as these men understand them, how can their reasoning stand? Why, among them, are those who forsake God by living badly, whether they are hidden or known, not broken cisterns that cannot hold water, if the sacrament of baptism is to be understood in this place? Why are their liars and unfaithful men believed to give or have not lying water but truthful? Why does washing profit those who are baptized by their dead men? Why do their sinners anoint the heads of others with oil? What have the dying or dead flies there deserved, that they do not destroy the oil of sweetness? With what privilege are the deceitful there protected, that is, those who cover a wolf with the skin of righteousness, so that the holy Spirit of discipline does not flee them? Or if the Holy Spirit flees them, how is he given through them to those they baptize? For here one cannot say what they usually say, most foolishly and shamelessly, that someone can be baptized by a bad man only if the baptizer’s badness is hidden. For the deceitful man is the more deceitful the more he is hidden. Since the Holy Spirit withdraws from him, then, what hope will the baptized person have, if the merit of the baptizing man is to be considered in that grace of God? Here they find nothing at all to answer, because they deny that they have open bad men; in which they are most clearly convicted. But what is that to us? It is enough for us, for the necessary point of the case, that they cannot deny that they have deceitful ‘good’ men, that is, hidden bad men. For they are refuted by the many who, living there with lost and wicked morals and long hidden through that very pretence, were at some point exposed and expelled. If, then, they do not want us to believe that there are still some such men there, certainly those who were cast out, when they were hiding there in that same pretence and the Holy Spirit was fleeing them, of whom it is written, ‘For the holy Spirit of discipline will flee the deceitful’, how could they baptize? Why are at least those they baptized who are still living not counted again, so as to receive baptism, which they certainly could not receive from deceitful men whom the Holy Spirit was deserting? But if they say, ‘The Holy Spirit was absent indeed from the pretending givers, to justify them, but present to the believing receivers, to wash them, by the ineffable efficacy of his power, easily able to do both: to flee the former and cherish the latter, to blame the former and cleanse the latter’, then, in solving the question for themselves, let them see at the same time that it is solved for us.
Jer 2:13 (allusion, high confidence) · Jer 15:18 (allusion, medium confidence) · Ps 141:5 (140:5 LXX) (allusion, medium confidence) · Eccl 10:1 (allusion, medium confidence) · Matt 7:15 (allusion, medium confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: If the texts meant that bad ministers cannot baptize, the Donatists’ hidden sinners could not have baptized either; if they reply that the Spirit cleanses the recipient while fleeing the false minister, they have answered for the Catholics too.
- Sources: Jer 2:13; Jer 15:18; Sir 34:25; Ps 141:5; Eccl 10:1; the wolf in sheep’s skin (Matt 7:15); Wis 1:5. ‘tales,,’ and ‘iustifieandis’ are corrected.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR slip; doubled punctuation in the digital text): tales,, illi → tales, illi; iustifieandis → iustificandis.
Extrabiblical texts: Wis 1:5 (Wisdom of Solomon [in RC, EO, ETH canons]; quotation); Sir 34:25 (Sirach [in RC, EO, ETH canons]; allusion)
Topics: Donatism, Rebaptism, Sacraments
Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. ep. Parm. 2.21 (CSEL 51:68–70; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-epistulam-parmeniani/2-21). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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