On the Trinity 28
Summary: “He who has seen me has seen the Father” does not make Christ the Father: Scripture speaks of the certain future as done, and whoever sees the Son, the Father's image, is on the way to seeing the invisible Father.
Latin text · PL 3:968b–971b
Adhuc adjiciam illam quoque partem in qua dum haereticus quasi oculo quodam gaudet propriae veritatis et luminis amisso, totam caecitatem sui agnoscat erroris. Identidem enim et frequenter opponit quia dictum sit: Tanto tempore vobiscum sum, et non agnoscitis me? Philippe, qui vidit me, vidit et Patrem. Sed quod non intelligit, discat. Culpatur Philippus, et jure quidem meritoque, quia dixerit: Domine, ostende nobis Patrem, et sufficit nobis. Quando enim ex Christo aut audierat istud, aut didicerat quasi esset Pater Christus? cum contra magis quod Filius esset, non quia Pater, frequenter audisset, et saepe didicisset. Quod enim dixit Dominus, Si me cognovistis, et Patrem meum cognovistis, et amodo nostis illum, et vidistis illum, non sic dixerat ut se Patrem vellet intelligi; sed quoniam qui penitus et plene et cum tota fide et tota religione accessit ad Dei Filium, omnibus modis per ipsum Filium in quem sic credit, ad Patrem perventurus sit, eumdemque visurus. Nemo enim, inquit, potest venire ad Patrem nisi per me. Et ideo ad Patrem Deum non tantum venturus est, et cogniturus ipsum Patrem; sed etiam sic tenere debet, atque ita animo ac mente praesumere, quasi jam noverit Patrem pariter et viderit. Saepe enim Scriptura divina quae nondum facta sunt pro factis annuntiat, quia sic futura sunt: et quae omnibus modis fieri habent, non quasi futura sint praedicat, sed quasi facta sint narrat. Denique cum nondum temporibus Isaiae prophetae Christus natus fuisset, Quia puer, aiebat, natus est nobis; et cum nondum accessum esset ad Mariam, Et accessi ad prophetissam, dicebat, et concepit, et peperit filium. Et cum nondum sinum Patris Christus exposuisset, referebat: Et vocabitur nomen ejus magni consilii Angelus. Et cum nondum fuisset passus, Quasi ovis, pronuntiabat, ad jugulationem adductus est. Et cum adhuc crux nusquam esset, aiebat: Tota die expandi manus meas ad populum non credentem. Et cum nondum injuriose potatus fuisset, In siti, ait, mea potaverunt me aceto. Et cum spoliatus adhuc non fuisset, dicebat: Super vestem meam miserunt sortem: et dinumeraverunt ossa mea: effoderunt manus meas, et pedes. Providens enim Scriptura divina pro factis dicit quae futura scit, et pro perfectis dicit quae futura habet, quae sine dubitatione ventura sunt. Et ideo Dominus in praesenti loco dicebat: Amodo nostis illum, et vidistis. Dicebat enim visum iri ab eo Patrem, quisquis Filium secutus fuisset; non quasi Filius ipse esset Pater visus, sed quod praemium consecuturus esset, quisquis illum sequi et discipulus ejus esse voluisset, ut videre Patrem posset: nam et imago est Dei Patris: ut his etiam illud accedat quoniam Sicut Pater operatur, ita operatur et Filius. Et imitator est Filius omnium operum paternorum, ut perinde habeat unusquisque, quasi jam viderit Patrem, dum eum videt qui invisibilem Patrem in omnibus operibus semper imitatur. Caeterum si ipse Pater est Christus, quomodo confestim adjicit et dicit: Qui credit in me, opera quoe ego facio et ipse faciet, et majora his faciet, quia ego ad Patrem vado? Et adhuc subnectit: Si diligitis me, praecepta mea servate: et ego rogabo Patrem, et alium advocatum dabit vobis. Post quae etiam illud subnectit: Si quis me diligit, sermonem meum custodiet: et Pater meus diliget illum, et ad eum veniemus, et mansionem apud illum faciemus. Nec non etiam subdidit illud quoque: Advocatus autem ille Spiritus sanctus quem missurus est Pater, ille vos docebit et commemorabit omnia quaecunque dixero. Praemittit adhuc istum locum, quo ostendat se esse Filium, et merito subdidit, et dicit: Si me diligeretis, gauderetis, quia eo ad Patrem: quia Pater major me est. Quid autem cum etiam illa subnectit: Ego sum vitis vera, et Pater meus agricola: omne sarmentum in me non afferens fructum tollit illud, et omne fructiferum purgat, ut fructum ampliorem ferat? Instat adhuc et adjicit: Sicut dilexit me Pater, et ego dilexi vos: manete in mea charitate. Si mandata mea servaveritis, manebitis in mea charitate; sicut ego Patris mandata servavi, et maneo in ejus charitate. Adhuc ingerit, et dicit: Dixi autem vos amicos, quia omnia quoe audivi a Patre meo, nota vobis feci. Aggregat etiam hoc: Sed haec omnia facient vobis propter nomen meum, quia ignorant eum qui me misit. Haec ergo nunquam post illa evidenter illum non Patrem, sed Filium esse testantia, Dominus subdidisset: si aut Patrem se esse meminisset, aut Patrem se vellet intelligi: nisi quoniam ut illud exprimeret, perinde unumquemque jam habere debere, dum imaginem Dei Patris per Filium videt, atque si viderit Patrem: quandoquidem unusquisque credens in Filium exerceatur in imaginis contemplatione, ut assuefactus ad divinitatem videndam in imagine, proficere possit et crescere usque ad Dei Patris omnipotentis perfectam contemplationem. Et quoniam qui hoc animo ac mente combiberit, et de omnibus sic futurum esse crediderit, Patrem quem visurus sit, quasi jam quodammodo viderit, et hic jam sic habeat, quasi teneat quod habiturum se pro certo sciat. Caeterum, si ipse Pater fuisset, quid quasi futurum praemium repromittebat quod jam praestiterat et dederat? Nam quoniam dicit: Beati mundo corde, quia ipsi Deum videbunt; polliceri deprehenditur contemplationem et aspectum Patris; ergo nondum dederat: cur enim repromitteret, si jam dedisset? Dederat enim si Pater esset; videbatur enim, et contingebatur. Quando autem dum contingitur ipse Christus et videtur, repromittit tamen et dicit, quoniam qui mundo fuerit corde, Deum videbit, hoc ipso probat Patrem se non esse, qui tunc praesens cum videretur repromittebat, quod Patrem visurus esset quisquis mundo corde fuisset. Erat ergo repromittens haec, non Pater, sed Filius: quia qui Filius erat, quod videri habebat repromittebat; cujus repromissio supervacua fuisset, nisi Filius fuisset. Cur enim repromittebat mundis corde ut viderent Patrem, si jam tunc qui praesentes erant, Patrem Christum videbant? Sed quia Filius erat, non Pater, merito et Filius, quia Imago Dei, tunc videbatur; et Pater, quia invisibilis, mundis corde, ut videretur, repromittitur et notatur. Haec igitur satis sit, etiam adversus istum haereticum dictasse, pauca de multis. Campus enim, et quidem latus ac fusus aperietur, plenius haereticum istum si agitare voluerimus; quandoquidem duobus istis locis, quibusdam effossis luminibus orbatus, totus sit in doctrinae suae caecitate superatus.
English · Claude translation
I will further add that passage too, in which, while the heretic rejoices as if in some eye of his own truth and light, which he has in fact lost, he may recognize the whole blindness of his error. For again and again he objects that it was said, “Have I been with you so long, and you do not know me? Philip, he who has seen me has seen the Father also.” But let him learn what he does not understand. Philip is blamed, and rightly and deservedly, for having said, “Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us.” For when had he heard or learned from Christ that Christ was the Father? On the contrary, he had often heard and often learned rather that he was the Son, not the Father. For when the Lord said, “If you have known me, you have known my Father too, and from now on you know him and have seen him,” he had not said this in order to be understood as the Father himself; but because whoever has approached the Son of God deeply and fully, with all faith and all devotion, will in every way come to the Father through the Son in whom he so believes, and will see him. “For no one,” he says, “can come to the Father except through me.” And therefore he will not only come to God the Father and know the Father himself, but he ought also to hold it so, and so to take it for granted in heart and mind, as if he had already known and seen the Father.
For the divine Scripture often announces things not yet done as done, because they are going to be so; and things that are certainly to happen it does not foretell as future but narrates as done. Thus, when in the times of the prophet Isaiah Christ had not yet been born, he said, “For a child has been born to us”; and when there had not yet been an approach to Mary, he said, “And I went in to the prophetess, and she conceived and bore a son.” And when Christ had not yet made known the bosom of the Father, he declared, “And his name will be called the Angel of great counsel.” And when he had not yet suffered, he proclaimed, “He was led as a sheep to the slaughter.” And when the cross as yet was nowhere, he said, “All day long I have stretched out my hands to an unbelieving people.” And when he had not yet been given drink with insult, he said, “In my thirst they gave me vinegar to drink.” And when he had not yet been stripped, he said, “For my clothing they cast lots; and they counted my bones; they dug through my hands and feet.” For the divine Scripture, foreseeing, speaks as done of what it knows will be, and speaks as completed of what it holds as future, which will come without doubt. And therefore the Lord said in the present passage, “From now on you know him, and have seen him.” For he was saying that the Father would be seen by whoever had followed the Son; not as though the Son himself were the Father who was seen, but because whoever chose to follow him and be his disciple would obtain as a reward the power to see the Father. For he is also the image of God the Father; and to this is added that as the Father works, so the Son also works. And the Son is the imitator of all the Father's works, so that each one may hold himself as though he had already seen the Father, since he sees him who in all his works always imitates the invisible Father.
But if Christ is himself the Father, how does he at once add and say, “Whoever believes in me will himself do the works that I do, and will do greater than these, because I go to the Father”? And he further joins on: “If you love me, keep my commandments; and I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Advocate.” After this he also joins on: “If anyone loves me, he will keep my word; and my Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our dwelling with him.” He also added this: “But that Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send, will teach you and remind you of all that I have said.” He further puts forward this passage, to show that he is the Son, and rightly adds and says: “If you loved me, you would rejoice that I go to the Father, because the Father is greater than I.” And what when he also joins on this: “I am the true vine, and my Father is the vinedresser: every branch in me that does not bear fruit he takes away, and every fruitful one he cleanses, so that it may bear more fruit”? He presses on further and adds: “As the Father has loved me, so I too have loved you: remain in my love. If you keep my commandments, you will remain in my love, just as I have kept my Father's commandments and remain in his love.” Further he urges and says: “But I have called you friends, because all that I have heard from my Father I have made known to you.” He adds this too: “But they will do all these things to you because of my name, because they do not know him who sent me.” The Lord would never have added these things after those, bearing clear witness that he is not the Father but the Son, if he had been conscious of being the Father or wished to be understood as the Father; except that he wished to express this: that each one ought already to hold, when he sees the image of God the Father through the Son, that he has seen the Father; since each one who believes in the Son is trained in the contemplation of the image, so that, grown used to seeing divinity in the image, he may be able to advance and grow even to the perfect contemplation of God the Father almighty. And since whoever has drunk this in with heart and mind, and has believed that it will be so in every respect, may hold the Father whom he will see as though he had already in some way seen him, and may hold it here already as though he possessed what he knows for certain he will have.
But if he had been the Father himself, why did he promise as a future reward what he had already granted and given? For since he says, “Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God”, he is found to promise the contemplation and sight of the Father; therefore he had not yet given it: for why would he promise it if he had already given it? For he would have given it if he were the Father; for he was being seen and touched. But when Christ himself, while he is being touched and seen, nonetheless promises and says that whoever is pure in heart will see God, by this very fact he proves that he is not the Father, since, while present and being seen, he promised that whoever was pure in heart would see the Father. It was, then, not the Father but the Son who made these promises: because he who was the Son promised what was yet to be seen; and his promise would have been pointless had he not been the Son. For why did he promise the pure in heart that they would see the Father, if those who were present were already then seeing Christ, the Father? But because he was the Son, not the Father, rightly the Son, as the image of God, was then seen; and the Father, as invisible, is promised and marked out to the pure in heart, that he may be seen. Let this suffice, then, to have been said even against this heretic: a few things out of many. For a field, and a wide and spacious one, will open if we choose to pursue this heretic more fully; since in these two passages, deprived, as it were, of his eyes, which have been dug out, he has been wholly overcome in the blindness of his doctrine.
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Translation notes
- The next sentence (“while the heretic rejoices as if in some eye of his own truth and light, which he has in fact lost”) is obscure in the Latin. The quotations are John 14:9, 8, 7, 6; Isa 9:6; Isa 8:3; Isa 9:6 (LXX “Angel of great counsel”); Isa 53:7; Isa 65:2; Ps 69:21 (68:22 Vulg.); Ps 22:18, 17, 16 (21:19, 18, 17 Vulg.); John 5:17, 19; Col 1:15; John 14:12, 15–16, 23, 26, 28; John 15:1–2, 9–10, 15, 21; Matt 5:8. “The two passages” are John 10:30 (ch. 27) and John 14:9.
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- Digital text corrected (OCR: c for e; OCR: l for t; OCR: misread letters; OCR: period for comma; OCR: split word; OCR: uncertain character; editorial chapter summary (printed as a heading in ANF), not Novatian's text; removed like Migne's Argumentum in ch. 8; stray period): Pro Sabellianis etiam nihil facere illud: Qui videt me, videt et Patrem, probaet. → ; ga udet → gaudet; j ure → jure; Qua ndo → Quando; lota religione → tota religione; faciet,. quia → faciet, quia; ill(??)d → illud; manco in ejus → maneo in ejus; crediderit. Patrem → crediderit, Patrem; cur cuim → cur enim.
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Novatian, Trin. 28 (PL 3:968b–971b; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/novatian-trinitate/28/).
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Novatian, Trin. 28 (PL 3:968b–971b; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/novatian-trinitate/28/).
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